[BSDCert] "If you build it, they will come"
jus at krytosvirus.com
Tue Nov 22 07:20:26 EST 2005
On Monday 21 November 2005 11:27 pm, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> Siju George wrote:
> >basically that assumption comes because many think BSD to be the geek
> >OS who think only geeks who shun the idea of things like certification
> >use/can use it.
> Well, there is more than a kernel of truth to that perception. I
> attended a number of Usenix conferences where the subject of
> certification was raised, and each time quite quickly shouted down. "I
> would never work for a company that demanded certification" was a common
> It was only within the last few years that Usenix, itself struggling for
> legitimacy and purpose, decided to move ahead with a cert program -- but
> it was too late by then. The org threw a lot of money at a program that
> was eventually mothballed. THERE WAS NO DEMAND, even though Usenix had
> produced a very high-quality cert.
I am not familiar with the Usenix certification program at all but how do you
know it failed due to a reason of no demand. Perhaps they did not market it
properly (or at all). It is not the technical people that would be getting
the certs that will cause serious demand, it is employers and large
organizations calling for the cert that will cause serious demand. Was the
Usenix certification marketed to these type of people?
> Employers who use BSD have generally been successful so far in finding
> quality people, without having a cert program. What new capability does
> a cert program offer them? Is the growth rate of BSD such that there is
> a boom in jobs, or a glut in people claiming to know BSD enough to be
> employed in it, that requires a certificate as a hiring tool?
Again, where is your data on this? Maybe there are tons of employers to opt to
go with something other than BSD because they could not find anyone to fill
the spot of BSD admin or don't even consider BSD because they need project
XYZ completed ASAP and they have a bunch of people who only know Windows so
that is what they use.
It is kind of a chicken and the egg deal I think. Many employers don't know
the value of BSD so they don't go looking for people to who know BSD so they
can implement it. So how do they break into the BSD world? A BSD
certification might help them understand there is value in BSD. Then on the
flip side many people getting into the tech world don't know value of BSD and
don't see many employers looking for BSD knowledgable people so they think
why waste time learning BSD, or maybe don't even go that far and just think,
"Hmmm Windows Server 200X is popular, and Exchange and Active Directory, that
is what I will use, everybody uses that."
So we are in a position where employers are generally not looking for BSD and
where individuals are not looking for BSD skills. Having an active BSD
certification group market their certification successfully might be what is
needed to disillusion everyone and carve BSD into the sites of both employers
and individual tech people.
> How can you say that? Statistics? Interviews with employers? Gut feel?
> Wishful thinking?
> This is a foundation of my point. Demand does not exist merely because
> you assert so.
My argument is that demand does not really exist at all, at least not at a
level that is noticeable. Did "Chia Pets" have a demand before they were
created and marketed like crazy? No, they didn't. We of the BSD communities
will be charged with the advocacy of BSD and a BSD certification if we want
it to flourish and have a demand.
> - Evan
Please note, all of the above statements are my opinions and I may have very
skewed ideas but they are MY skewed ideas. Thanks for reading them. :)
More information about the BSDCert