[BSDCert] steps to become a bsd training center

[Pablo Sánchez]

Rafael,

Education (teaching - pedagology) is a science as any other. To say that 
it's not possible or difficult to create a Teaching Program because each 
people has it's style, is like saying we cannot teach programming, because 
each programmer has it's own styles. There are always basic principles for 
that. So, I didn't thought about a teacher certification - associate should 
be enought - but your comment was very interesting to bring this point up.

I believe there could be a certification program for BSD teachers, and maybe 
one of the requisites for the "BSD Certification Preparation Courses" to be 
taught in a Center should be having the teacher certified or something like 
that.

Un gran abrazo a los mejicanos y todos los latinos del grupo (vivo en Brasil 
pero soy argentino).

Pablo

On 9/1/05, J. Rafael Gómez G." <lobogris at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok. But we must understand first of all that:
> 
> 1. The only "institution" that gives real recognition of a certification 
> is the IT Market, not the goverments. In my region, an MSCE worths its 
> weight in gold. Why? Simply, because here, in Central Region of Mexico, 
> Microsoft IT rules (this tendency It's changing towards Linux, but with a 
> very slow pace). LPIC is getting more value in all Mexico because "Linux 
> Market" is growing. Why Linux is growing? Because (I suppose) enterprises 
> (and its IT leaders) are discovering that "value" that Linux gives to their 
> IT infraestructure. Conclusion: IT Market and IT Certifications are closely 
> related.
> 
> The best way to promote a BSD Cert is to promote BSD itselft. Why? Because 
> as the "BSD Market" grows the certification will be as important as the 
> market itselt. Based on this thinking, the price of the BSD Cert should be 
> proportional to the value of the "BSD Market" worldwide.
> 
> 2. The requisites to become an accredition center should be more technical 
> than economical to help countries like Brazil, Mexico, etc. to develop 
> training centers to develop not just BSD IT pros, but also to create and 
> increase the BSD Market itself. I'm agree with Pablo that the price must not 
> be too low, but also it shouldn't be too much high. An annual fee to 
> accredition centers its a good way to compromise them to help to the 
> increasing of "BSD Market".
> 
> 3. Evan is right: To become a real trainer, isn't sufficient just to be 
> certified you must know how to teach. But I think that is really complex to 
> develop a "Trainer Teaching" program. That's because each trainer I know has 
> it's own method to teach according to his/her personality.
> 
> 
> Greeting.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/1/05, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
> > 
> > The issue of "accredited training centres" is certainly an important
> > one. It can have a great effect on the popularity of the certification
> > program as well as revenue to the certification organization. But it is 
> > complex and has many challenges.
> > 
> > > institutions should be certified by government or other organization.
> > >
> > >
> > > 1 - Why should Government be involved if they hardly know which is the
> > > right choice for technology and they are usually ruled by principles
> > > that are either corrupt or idealogically wrong? The only Organization
> > > involved should be the BSD Certification Group.
> > 
> > The best that could (and should) be desired is that governments endorse 
> > the BSD-CG (or whatever its corporate entity is named) as an accepted
> > national standard. Pablo is right that governments may not always make
> > the best technology choices but they can accredit organizations which 
> > do. 
> > 
> > Any certification is essentially the setting of a standard, and the
> > success of the certification is tightly bound to public acceptance and
> > _trust_ of that standard. The level of trust is governed by a number of 
> > factors:
> > 
> > - The respectability and accountability of the governing body
> > - The process used to determine the objectives
> > - The perceived levels of security and corruptibility in delivery (is it
> > too easy to cheat?) 
> > - The amount and (process for accepting) public input
> > - Endorsements from other respected organizations
> > 
> > IF the goal of the BSD-CG is to create a program that is recognized and
> > understood outside its community (for instance, by HR and IT managers 
> > not familiar with BSD but who need to hire skilled practitioners), then
> > the above factors become important.
> > 
> > In IT, certification is not undertaken as a badge of honor. To most
> > people being tested, the cost of certification (and associated training) 
> > 
> > is a career investment, and the end result must have a practical payoff
> > -- will being certified provide better access to jobs than not being
> > certified? If the answer is 'no', then the certification will not
> > survive no matter how well designed or well meaning. 
> > 
> > To be certain, the value of certification in IT is itself frequently
> > under attack. The cause of this attack is the commercialization of most
> > IT certifications, even in some cases by non-profit groups (the CompTIA 
> > family of A+, Server+, whatever+ comes to mind). A recent taste of this
> > debate can be found at Slashdot:
> > 
> > 
> > http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/26/1739234&tid=187&tid=126&tid=4&tid=218
> > 
> > Back to the main subject:
> > 
> > Anyone can be a "BSD Training Centre", even today, unless someone tries 
> > to assert "BSD" as a trademark, and I don't think it (the three letters
> > "BSD" alone) is trademarked. And such efforts would be country-specific,
> > unlike copyrights there are no international conventions on trademarks. 
> > But i digress...
> > 
> > The issue is not "how to be a BSD training centre" but really "how will
> > the BSD-CG endorse training centres". This is a very complex issue, will
> > be different from country to country, and has a potential of being a 
> > very big money maker, a way to expand the certification, and an easy way
> > to get sued.
> > 
> > Who trains the trainer? Who sets the standard for the trainer (beyond
> > certifying their BSD knowledge, which is supposedly being done anyway). 
> > Who provides "approved" course materials? Who sets and enforces any
> > codes of conduct? Who helps to publicize and support training centres
> > that receive the endorsement? And how are academic institutions handled 
> > different from commercial training centres? Most importantly, who pays
> > for all this infrastructure?
> > 
> > This issue is almost 100% removed from the actual task of making an
> > actual certification. It requires different skills and is very much a 
> > business issue more than an educational one. Having said that, it can be
> > (and usually is) an integral and necessary part of popularizing the 
> > program.
> > 
> > - Evan
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