[BSDCert] steps to become a bsd training center
Pablo Sánchez
phackwer at gmail.com
Fri Sep 2 18:22:06 EDT 2005
I believe that Training Centers should also have to participate or organize
events related to the BSD Market at least once a year. This should do the
job for them getting involved on BSD not only for financial pourposes, but
also as an active member of the community...
So, to become a certified training center:
1 - at least one teacher certified on the BSD training certification (wow,
another certification level!)
2 - Organization or participation on events related to BSD on thei countries
at least once a year.
For this to become possible
1 - A training certification has to be created
2 - A fee must be stablished, to support the continuous activities of the
BSD Certification Group.
Is there any member of the BCG board that could give us a light, or at
least tell us if our assumptions are going on the right way?
I think I'm gonna read the entire RoadMap now... ;-)
On 9/2/05, J. Rafael Gómez G." <lobogris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So then:
>
> 1. We must divide the program in two big areas: Individuals Certification
> and Certified Trainers. Of course, the first one is a requisite for the
> second.
>
> 2. As Pablo assertively pointed, Training centers must have at least 1
> certified trainer.
>
> 3. Training program for educators should include less technical topics
> than the Individual Certification Program. Teaching methods and some topics
> like programming languages sounds good for me. Here we'll cover the
> "incremental difficulty" aspect asked by other members of the list.
>
> 4. Training Certified Centers must be a lot more compromised than other
> lower levels (Individual and trainers) to develop a "BSD Market" in theirs
> communities. This will benefit all the "chain" (BSD OSes, BSD-CG, BSD
> Certified individuals, and the center itself).
>
> More ideas are being "cooked" in my brain. As soon as possible I get them
> ready I'll expose them...
>
> Pablo:
>
> Saludos a los hermanos sudamericanos desde la tierra del tequila y el
> mariachi...
>
>
> On 9/1/05, Pablo Sánchez < phackwer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Rafael,
> >
> > Education (teaching - pedagology) is a science as any other. To say that
> > it's not possible or difficult to create a Teaching Program because each
> > people has it's style, is like saying we cannot teach programming, because
> > each programmer has it's own styles. There are always basic principles for
> > that. So, I didn't thought about a teacher certification - associate should
> > be enought - but your comment was very interesting to bring this point up.
> >
> > I believe there could be a certification program for BSD teachers, and
> > maybe one of the requisites for the "BSD Certification Preparation Courses"
> > to be taught in a Center should be having the teacher certified or something
> > like that.
> >
> > Un gran abrazo a los mejicanos y todos los latinos del grupo (vivo en
> > Brasil pero soy argentino).
> >
> > Pablo
> >
> > On 9/1/05, J. Rafael Gómez G." < lobogris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ok. But we must understand first of all that:
> > >
> > > 1. The only "institution" that gives real recognition of a
> > > certification is the IT Market, not the goverments. In my region, an MSCE
> > > worths its weight in gold. Why? Simply, because here, in Central Region of
> > > Mexico, Microsoft IT rules (this tendency It's changing towards Linux, but
> > > with a very slow pace). LPIC is getting more value in all Mexico because
> > > "Linux Market" is growing. Why Linux is growing? Because (I suppose)
> > > enterprises (and its IT leaders) are discovering that "value" that Linux
> > > gives to their IT infraestructure. Conclusion: IT Market and IT
> > > Certifications are closely related.
> > >
> > > The best way to promote a BSD Cert is to promote BSD itselft. Why?
> > > Because as the "BSD Market" grows the certification will be as important as
> > > the market itselt. Based on this thinking, the price of the BSD Cert should
> > > be proportional to the value of the "BSD Market" worldwide.
> > >
> > > 2. The requisites to become an accredition center should be more
> > > technical than economical to help countries like Brazil, Mexico, etc. to
> > > develop training centers to develop not just BSD IT pros, but also to create
> > > and increase the BSD Market itself. I'm agree with Pablo that the price must
> > > not be too low, but also it shouldn't be too much high. An annual fee to
> > > accredition centers its a good way to compromise them to help to the
> > > increasing of "BSD Market".
> > >
> > > 3. Evan is right: To become a real trainer, isn't sufficient just to
> > > be certified you must know how to teach. But I think that is really complex
> > > to develop a "Trainer Teaching" program. That's because each trainer I know
> > > has it's own method to teach according to his/her personality.
> > >
> > >
> > > Greeting.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/1/05, Evan Leibovitch < evan at telly.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The issue of "accredited training centres" is certainly an important
> > > > one. It can have a great effect on the popularity of the
> > > > certification
> > > > program as well as revenue to the certification organization. But it
> > > > is
> > > > complex and has many challenges.
> > > >
> > > > > institutions should be certified by government or other
> > > > organization.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 1 - Why should Government be involved if they hardly know which is
> > > > the
> > > > > right choice for technology and they are usually ruled by
> > > > principles
> > > > > that are either corrupt or idealogically wrong? The only
> > > > Organization
> > > > > involved should be the BSD Certification Group.
> > > >
> > > > The best that could (and should) be desired is that governments
> > > > endorse
> > > > the BSD-CG (or whatever its corporate entity is named) as an
> > > > accepted
> > > > national standard. Pablo is right that governments may not always
> > > > make
> > > > the best technology choices but they can accredit organizations
> > > > which do.
> > > >
> > > > Any certification is essentially the setting of a standard, and the
> > > > success of the certification is tightly bound to public acceptance
> > > > and
> > > > _trust_ of that standard. The level of trust is governed by a number
> > > > of
> > > > factors:
> > > >
> > > > - The respectability and accountability of the governing body
> > > > - The process used to determine the objectives
> > > > - The perceived levels of security and corruptibility in delivery
> > > > (is it
> > > > too easy to cheat?)
> > > > - The amount and (process for accepting) public input
> > > > - Endorsements from other respected organizations
> > > >
> > > > IF the goal of the BSD-CG is to create a program that is recognized
> > > > and
> > > > understood outside its community (for instance, by HR and IT
> > > > managers
> > > > not familiar with BSD but who need to hire skilled practitioners),
> > > > then
> > > > the above factors become important.
> > > >
> > > > In IT, certification is not undertaken as a badge of honor. To most
> > > > people being tested, the cost of certification (and associated
> > > > training)
> > > > is a career investment, and the end result must have a practical
> > > > payoff
> > > > -- will being certified provide better access to jobs than not being
> > > > certified? If the answer is 'no', then the certification will not
> > > > survive no matter how well designed or well meaning.
> > > >
> > > > To be certain, the value of certification in IT is itself frequently
> > > > under attack. The cause of this attack is the commercialization of
> > > > most
> > > > IT certifications, even in some cases by non-profit groups (the
> > > > CompTIA
> > > > family of A+, Server+, whatever+ comes to mind). A recent taste of
> > > > this
> > > > debate can be found at Slashdot:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/26/1739234&tid=187&tid=126&tid=4&tid=218
> > > >
> > > > Back to the main subject:
> > > >
> > > > Anyone can be a "BSD Training Centre", even today, unless someone
> > > > tries
> > > > to assert "BSD" as a trademark, and I don't think it (the three
> > > > letters
> > > > "BSD" alone) is trademarked. And such efforts would be
> > > > country-specific,
> > > > unlike copyrights there are no international conventions on
> > > > trademarks.
> > > > But i digress...
> > > >
> > > > The issue is not "how to be a BSD training centre" but really "how
> > > > will
> > > > the BSD-CG endorse training centres". This is a very complex issue,
> > > > will
> > > > be different from country to country, and has a potential of being a
> > > >
> > > > very big money maker, a way to expand the certification, and an easy
> > > > way
> > > > to get sued.
> > > >
> > > > Who trains the trainer? Who sets the standard for the trainer
> > > > (beyond
> > > > certifying their BSD knowledge, which is supposedly being done
> > > > anyway).
> > > > Who provides "approved" course materials? Who sets and enforces any
> > > > codes of conduct? Who helps to publicize and support training
> > > > centres
> > > > that receive the endorsement? And how are academic institutions
> > > > handled
> > > > different from commercial training centres? Most importantly, who
> > > > pays
> > > > for all this infrastructure?
> > > >
> > > > This issue is almost 100% removed from the actual task of making an
> > > > actual certification. It requires different skills and is very much
> > > > a
> > > > business issue more than an educational one. Having said that, it
> > > > can be
> > > > (and usually is) an integral and necessary part of popularizing the
> > > > program.
> > > >
> > > > - Evan
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> > > lobogris at gmail.com
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> Lobogris.
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