<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Isaac (.ike) Levy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ike@blackskyresearch.net" target="_blank">ike@blackskyresearch.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On September 18, 2013 11:20:25 PM EDT, Brian Callahan <<a href="mailto:bcallah@devio.us" target="_blank">bcallah@devio.us</a>> wrote:<br>
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I don't mean to be the "bad guy" here, but I lean no on this - explanations inline.<br>
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On 9/18/2013 10:30 PM, Mark Saad wrote:<br>
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I was talking to Ike and to Toothman, about an idea for a talk. Here<br>
is the short synopsis<br>
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Contiki is a BSD licensed embedded OS that has nothing to do with<br>
Free/Net/Open other then the license. I said to Ike and Jim that it may<br>
be a good idea to see if we can get someone to talk about why contiki<br>
chose the BSD license, what contiki has to offer the world and show off<br>
some of the cool things you can do with it. IE the Apple II port talking<br>
to a set of smart street lamps via IPv6 .<br>
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Don't get me wrong - I think it's really neat that there's a system like Contiki out there and it looks like they're doing really interesting things, but how does that fit into a day that's supposed to be a showcase for *BSD? This could be especially disastrous for an embedded con - would we really want to spend 5 of the 6 talks about all the progress and usefulness of *BSD in the embedded space and then a talk on some other system entirely? It would make us seem less confident in successfully implementing *BSD in the embedded space (despite the fact that Contiki runs on archs we never will).<br>
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The way I see it, is if that paragraph was s/contiki/linux/ or s/contiki/windows/ - would we even need to have this discussion? I think the same applies for contiki - even if it does use a BSD license.<br>
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Also, on a separate but not unrelated note, do we want the con to be a place to discuss proprietary vs GPL vs BSD (or, at least, why choose BSD)? I could be swayed either way on that.<br>
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Why should NYC*BSDCon entertain a talk / presentation about another OS ?<br>
Well for starters There was some talk on the FreBSD Hackers mailing list<br>
about building a netdump setup for FreeBSD that was akin to the Apple<br>
OSX Netdump a/k/a kernel network dumps over the network. The thread<br>
went so far as to say hrumm, we could use the contiki uIP stack to make<br>
this happen, yadda yadda yadda.<br>
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So two talk topics that are sort of related<br>
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1. General Presentation on Contini , uIP, 6lopan, RIME<br>
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I don't think this talk has a place at the con, for above reasons. We will have plenty of topics lined up, no?<br>
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2. General Talk on Netdump, its use of uIP , etc<br>
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I could be swayed on this, if FreeBSD(/others) got or were working on a working implementation. Otherwise I don't see the difference between talking about uIP and talking about, say, the FreeDOS stack.<br>
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What do you all think, should this be researched and people contacted ?<br>
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My 2 cents - feel free to tell me that I'm wrong though.<br>
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~Brian<div class="im"><br>
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I think Brian is right- in this respect: it's a day-con, and with all the depth of topics in the *BSD UNIX OS'es, this is perhaps a bit too out there to fill a slot.<br>
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However, I think Mark's thought is absolutely stellar, and both from a licencing perspective- and a tech perspective, I think these Contiki folks have a lot of crossover with us in the *BSD UNIX OS'es.<br>
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What about contacting them to attend, and perhaps set up hardware on a table, for folks to poke at and play with? It may be just the right first contact across the projects...<br>
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Best,<br>
.ike<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So I think netdump and netconsole are totally relevant to embedded setups. Since the BSD's currently lack a netconsole see<br><a href="https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt">https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt</a> . Having a talk on automated / remote debuging could be helpful for a con where we focus on embed platforms. <br>
<br></div><div>On the contiki topic , I was thinking that the idea of having someone who is not working on BSD UNIX talk about their BSD licensed embed os may spark the interest , be a muse , etc, of a BSD developer who is attending. The thing is I do not know the Contiki developers , core team or user base. I just read a bit about it and it sounded damn interesting . <br>
</div></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Wrapping this up I think having a track / talk / bucket / table on remote debugging would be a good idea .<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">-- <br><br>Mark Saad | <a href="mailto:mark.saad@ymail.com" target="_blank">mark.saad@ymail.com</a>
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