[nycbug-talk] mad uptime
bob at redivi.com
Sat Jul 3 13:25:44 EDT 2004
On Jul 3, 2004, at 10:08 AM, Rick Aliwalas wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Isaac Levy wrote:
>>> Funny, I
>>> got flamed by some folks in the class when I innocently asked (ok,
>>> what applications are they running that warrant a G5 server as
>>> to a
>>> *BSD box. They came at me hard w/ the old windows argument that unix
>>> cmd-line is too cryptic, the learning curve is to high, its easier to
>>> train admins to use a gui,...
>> Right. *sigh* This is exactly what I've been trying to express (To
>> Apple, in various ways) about their foray into the server world...
>> They have a hard time separating the Windows/Novel IT world which they
>> have competed in for years, from us UNIX folks- and loose business
>> because of it.
>> They have a cool agenda, and have a lot of cool GUI work that comes
>> from years of competing with NT etc..., but their sales folks need to
>> step back and LISTEN to what the *Open Source UNIX Sysadmins* REALLY
> For sure. Just from a practical standpoint. Suppose you have to
> several Mac servers in a remote location behind multiple firewalls.
> Having good cmd line equivalents to the admin tools will make life
> much easier. It's hard to script a gui...
Actually, OS X server has command line tools to do just about
everything.. and all of the admin tools work via a xml over http based
protocol, so it's not terrible hard to communicate with them even
through firewalls. Apple Remote Desktop 2 is easy enough to punch
through firewalls now, too, because it also supports VNC (client and
server). It's also not just a virtual console, it now does all kinds
of other things (install packages on 100 machines at once, etc.).
>> I know you didn't ask for it, but my answer to that question is this:
>> If you are involved with clustered supercomputing, G5 Servers are an
>> inexpensive dream to work with. If you are working in an educational
>> enviornment or small orginization who needs a basic org. server
>> internally, and don't have massive resources to keep IT on staff to
>> it, an XServe is great. Also, if you are a sysadmin who comes from
>> NT/Novel/GUI world of things, (these folks getting fewer and fewer
>> nowadays), it's dreamy too.
>> If you are doing any server-side graphics processing and mass storage,
>> on the public internet or internally, again, dreamy...
> I definitely asked for it ;) That's good info as I was under the
> that the G5 servers were seriously expensive.
The Xserve G5s are seriously price competitive with equivalent stuff
from other vendors... Especially Xsan <http://www.apple.com/xsan/> and
the Xserve RAID.
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