[nycbug-talk] Sun News Roundup
mspitzer at gmail.com
Mon Apr 6 17:44:14 EDT 2009
2009/4/2 Miles Nordin <carton at ivy.net>:
>>>>>> "c" == Miles Nordin <carton at ivy.net> writes:
> c> no, that is not the Sun behavior about which I complained.
> c> Please reread more carefully.
> I just reread myself. I wasn't specific at all, so snipping at Mark
> to reread was unfair.
> The problem I see when I follow the cooltools link,
> is that Sun has split gcc into two pieces, the front and back ends.
> They've arranged for the two pieces to be connected to each other by
> handing off files in /tmp, to evade the ``linking'' trigger in the GPL
> (they disabled -pipe just to be extra careful). Then they've replaced
> the back-end with this Dr. Claw piece of unblushingly proprietary
> software: no-source, $0 but no permission to redistribute binaries,
> click-wrap garbage about agreeing not to publish benchmarks, u.s.w.
cool someone finally fixed the deliberate design flaw added into gcc
to maintain ideological purity. So this is a sauce goose gander
moment. Now let ten thousand flowers of commercial compilers appear.
> I believe that it *is* legal, and I also like the *function* of the
> tool. But don't like what Sun's done. Sun is currently trading on a
> reputation for creating and supporting open source communities, and
> preserving said reputation should require respect for the communities
> that create open source and their intent in choosing the licenses that
> preserve them, and I think this grabby /tmp-linking trick disrespects
> GNU's free software or (for Mark) ``software libre'' licenses, which
> are certainly credible enough to deserve said respect, whether it's the
> license you choose for your own community or not.
Well that is where we will have to agree to disagree. The thing is
that I do not see how using the courts to compel good behavior
actually creates a virtuous group of people. In this matter I think
Sun was morally superior to FSF/GNU in the apple objectiveC front end
incident. Sun just threw money at a problem to manage business risk,
FSF lied about the terms of their license and then sued over those
terms. Its free, until you read the fine print/have something we
ps yes apple should have run the license through legal first but that
is not the issue.
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