<span class="gmail_quote"><br></span><span class="q"><span class="gmail_quote">On 12/21/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Miles Nordin</b> <<a href="mailto:carton@ivy.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
carton@ivy.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0; margin-right: 0; margin-bottom: 0; margin-left: 0; margin-left: 0.80ex; border-left-color: #cccccc; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex">
>>>>> "n" == nikolai <<a href="mailto:nikolai@fetissov.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">nikolai@fetissov.org</a>> writes:<br><br> n> Even started using sms :)
<br><br>oh, yeah great, SMS.<br><br>AFAICT most of this new wave of tools is geek-proof, in that it's so <br>locked down you won't get more out of the device than any teenage girl<br>or retired model train hobbyist. These two classes of people also
<br>talk about the virtues and failings of their electronic tools on their <br>little mailing lists and AOL chat rooms, too. What's so sad for me is<br>seeing us talk about the tools in exactly the same way they do.</blockquote>
</span><div><br>Truth. </div><span class="q"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0; margin-right: 0; margin-bottom: 0; margin-left: 0; margin-left: 0.80ex; border-left-color: #cccccc; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex">
We've been successfully mainstreamed. We're part of the herd. When I<br>was in college, I taught my girlfriend to use ytalk, and she loved it.<br>Now, I'm being asked by the guy that used to run a BBS with me, please
<br>use (unencrypted, logged) AIM because jabber and irc don't work<br>conveniently from his Sidekick. Our study/talent/specialty counts for<br>nothing. and it never will---go ahead, make something new, and you'll
<br>be frozen out. Apple and T-Mobile already own everyone's fingers. If<br>you want to actually use the snazzy new app or protocol you designed,<br>go back to school and get an MBA, because you're not going to get it
<br>onto anyone's thumbs without some serious business negotiation.</blockquote></span><div><br>Even more truth. </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0; margin-right: 0; margin-bottom: 0; margin-left: 0; margin-left: 0.80ex; border-left-color: #cccccc; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex">
<span class="q"> And we trade it away so motherfucking cheaply. That's what disgusts<br>me the most---these sniveling apologies.<br><br></span><span class="q">_______________________________________________<br>talk mailing list
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http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk</a><br><br><br></span></blockquote><br>I have no idea why this guy is being flamed.<br>Every single word he's said here so far has been nothing but true. <br>(Not looking to fan the flames, but just wanted to say that.)
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