[nycbug-talk] Re: talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 17
G. Rosamond
george
Sun Jan 18 19:47:07 EST 2004
we had talked about this. . .but that was before we past the 50
subscriber mark.
other people have feelings about this?
i agree it time for announce only list. . .
g
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->[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Danny G
->Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 2:55 AM
->To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
->Subject: [nycbug-talk] Re: talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 17
->
->
->Hi, I was wondering if there is an announcement only version
->of this email list. while I may be interested in other users
->messages, right now I'd like to only receive important
->announcements about NYCBUG.
->
->
->Thanks in advance
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->> Today's Topics:
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->> 1. Re: RE: bof (Marc Spitzer)
->> 2. Re: LinuxTag/Knoppix people coming... (Marc Spitzer)
->> 3. RE: [nylug-announce] NYC *BSD User Group Launch:
->> http://www.NYCBUG.org/ (Hans Zaunere)
->> 4. RE: FW: Oracle Meeting Results (Hans Zaunere)
->> 5. RE: LinuxTag/Knoppix people coming... (Hans Zaunere)
->> 6. RE: flier - how many are you printing? (G. Rosamond)
->> 7. RE: LinuxTag/Knoppix people coming... (G. Rosamond)
->> 8. RE: FW: Oracle Meeting Results (G. Rosamond)
->> 9. computer book works on reade street (G. Rosamond)
->> 10. announcement. . . (G. Rosamond)
->> 11. fbsd 5.2 (G. Rosamond)
->> 12. a question. . . (G. Rosamond)
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->> Message: 1
->> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:02:27 -0500
->> From: Marc Spitzer <mspitze1 at optonline.net>
->> Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] RE: bof
->> To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
->> Message-ID: <20040116150227.62917d43.mspitze1 at optonline.net>
->> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
->>
->> On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:05:27 -0500
->> "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net> wrote:
->>
->> > ->Car pooling to head up to BSDCan? If people want to take the
->> train,
->> > ->it's pretty scenery, and you can have a hack-a-thon on the way
->> > ->up/back. But the drive is good too. I did that last August.
->> Mostly
->> > ->Interstate type roads, but a side trip through Lake Placid is
->> > ->refreshing.
->> >
->> > at least a group discount. . .with amtrak. . .
->>
->> Amtrak has outlets in their seats ...
->>
->> marc
->>
->> ------------------------------
->>
->> Message: 2
->> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:03:29 -0500
->> From: Marc Spitzer <mspitze1 at optonline.net>
->> Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] LinuxTag/Knoppix people coming...
->> To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
->> Message-ID: <20040116150329.04a683b3.mspitze1 at optonline.net>
->> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
->>
->> On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:31:32 -0500 (EST)
->> Wes Sonnenreich <wes at sagesecure.com> wrote:
->>
->> > LinuxTag people (including possibly Mr. Knopper of Knoppix fame)
->> will
->> > be coming to SageSecure offices on Monday the 19th at 6pmish.
->> They
->> > want to talk about community relations w/NYCBug... Anybody
->> besides
->> > George in on this?
->>
->> I think I can make it.
->>
->> marc
->>
->> >
->> > > Re,
->> > >
->> > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 07:23:37PM -0500, Wes Sonnenreich
->> wrote:
->> > >> Nils,
->> > >>
->> > >> Do you mean monday the 19th or monday the 26th? Either
->> afternoon
->> > >world> work, but the later on the 19th the better (I'm returning
->> from
->> > >a skiing> trip monday) perhaps around 5 or 6pm? The 26th is wide
->> > >open.
->> > >
->> > > We fly to NYC tomorrow, thus I meant the 19th. Later is no
->> problem
->> > > at all. We stay at the Helmsley, Park Lane. Can you give me
->> > > directions?
->> > >
->> > > Regards,
->> > >
->> > > Nils Magnus
->> > > Program-Chair LinuxTag 2004 Free Conference Program
->> > >
->> > > LinuxTag 2004: Where .com meets .org - magnus at linuxtag.org
->> > >
->> > _______________________________________________
->> > talk mailing list
->> > talk at lists.nycbug.org
->http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
->>
->> ------------------------------
->>
->> Message: 3
->> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:13:19 -0800
->> From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.com>
->> Subject: [nycbug-talk] RE: [nylug-announce] NYC *BSD User Group
->> Launch: http://www.NYCBUG.org/
->> To: <jbacalle at nylug.org>
->> Cc: General discussion <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
->> Message-ID:
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->>
->> Thanks John.
->>
->> H
->>
->> > -----Original Message-----
->> > From: nylug-announce-bounces at mail.nylug.org
->> > [mailto:nylug-announce-bounces at mail.nylug.org] On Behalf Of
->> > John Bajana-Bacalle
->> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 4:13 PM
->> > To: New York Linux Users Group Announce List
->> > Subject: [nylug-announce] NYC *BSD User Group Launch:
->> > http://www.NYCBUG.org/
->> >
->> > ----- Forwarded message from Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.com> -----
->> >
->> > From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.com>
->> > Subject: NYC *BSD User Group Launch: http://www.NYCBUG.org/
->> >
->> > We have founded a new *BSD User Group in New York City, the New
->> York
->> > City BSD Users Group (<http://www.NYCBUG.org/>, pronounced
->> > "nice-bug").
->> > It is our goal to make this B.U.G. a longtime success, and a
->> permanent
->> > bright fixture in the skyline of New York City Metro's I.T.
->> technical
->> > communities.
->> >
->> > There are two goals for this new user group.
->> >
->> > First, to provide a forum for the many BSD users in New York City
->> to
->> > discuss and debate topics of interest to the BSD community.
->> >
->> > Second, to provide a bridge to users interested in learning more
->> about
->> > or expanding their knowledge of the BSD family.
->> >
->> > - Our kick-off event will be a free "birds-of-a-feather" session
->> at
->> > LinuxWorld Conference & Expo, at the Jacob Javits Center
->> > on Thursday,
->> > January 22nd, at 5:45pm, Room 1E15. We will have a presence at
->> > various tables at the expo, including those of BSDMall and New
->> York
->> > PHP.
->> >
->> > - Our first monthly meeting will present on, "Secure by Default:
->> > Learning from OpenBSD," will be held on Wednesday, February
->> 4th at
->> > 7:00pm in the offices of: SageSecure, 116 West 23rd Street and
->> 6th
->> > Avenue, on the fifth floor.
->> >
->> > Presented by Wes Sonnenreich, author of "Building Linux
->> > and OpenBSD
->> > Firewalls" and "Network Security Illustrated." This talk will
->> deal
->> > with crucial security concepts and best practices for today's
->> > computing environments.
->> >
->> > Subsequent monthly meetings will take place at 7:00pm on the
->> first
->> > Wednesday of the month.
->> >
->> > Our website is located at <http://www.NYCBUG.org/>.
->> >
->> > o NYCBUG will include a joint documentation project with New
->> York PHP
->> > (<http://www.NYPHP.org/>) and OpenlySecure.org, focused on
->> > providing
->> > original documentation to new and experienced BSD users alike.
->> >
->> > o NYCBUG also provides community mailing lists to assist in
->> > discussion
->> > and learning about the BSD world. Interested users, please
->> join the
->> > mailing list(s) at <http://www.NYCBUG.org/mailinglist.html>.
->> >
->> > NYCBUG is open to all interested individuals, including, but
->> > not limited
->> > to, users of FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, DragonFlyBSD,
->> > OpenDarwin, Darwin
->> > and Mac OSX.
->> >
->> > Since the origins of the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD)
->> Unix in
->> > the 1970's, BSD has been a consistent force among the backroom
->> servers
->> > of the world, powering internet service providers, hosting firms,
->> and
->> > web sites such as Yahoo! and 2600.com. NYCBUG works to assist
->> current
->> > users, those interested in learning more about this fundamental
->> > operating system family and various other BSD projects, and to
->> > provide a channel for community interaction.
->> >
->> > We look forward to supporting the BSD community in a variety
->> > of ways in
->> > the coming months and years. Please join us in making NYCBUG
->> > a success.
->> > E pluribus unum.
->> >
->> > We kindly endorse the distribution of this announcement among
->> your
->> > colleagues, and potential *BSD users. Thank you.
->> >
->> > ----- End forwarded message -----
->> > _______________________________________________
->> > nylug-announce mailing list
->> > nylug-announce at mail.nylug.org
->> > http://www.nylug.org/mailman/listinfo/nylug-announce
->> >
->> >
->>
->> ------------------------------
->>
->> Message: 4
->> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:46:58 -0800
->> From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.com>
->> Subject: RE: [nycbug-talk] FW: Oracle Meeting Results
->> To: "General discussion" <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
->> Message-ID:
->>
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->>
->> > > >> i think this is very good news.
->> > > >>
->> > > >> "not officially supported" but in development is a
->big step in
->> > > >> the right direction.
->> > > >
->> > > > This is exciting news - maybe this is a petition topic?
->> > > >
->> > > > H
->> > >
->> > > Good idea for BOF and BSDcan petition, but probably won't
->> interest
->> > > many regular linuxexpo goers.
->> >
->> > I think this could be very useful, I think many, if not, all of
->> its
->> > competitors will follow it to freebsd. If Oracle does it it
->> *must* be
->> > a good idea after all.
->>
->> Following up on this...
->>
->> Just got off the phone with an OTN (Oracle Technical Network)
->> organizer for LinuxWorld. They'll be having an installfest, and
->> although focused on Linux, I pinged him about the BSDs.
->We've got the
->> go ahead if anyone wants to demo or share experiences on installing
->> and using Oracle on a BSD :)
->>
->> H
->>
->>
->> ------------------------------
->>
->> Message: 5
->> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:53:12 -0800
->> From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.com>
->> Subject: RE: [nycbug-talk] LinuxTag/Knoppix people coming...
->> To: "Marc Spitzer" <mspitze1 at optonline.net>, <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
->> Message-ID:
->>
->>
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->>
->> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
->>
->>
->> > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:31:32 -0500 (EST)
->> > Wes Sonnenreich <wes at sagesecure.com> wrote:
->> >
->> > > LinuxTag people (including possibly Mr. Knopper of Knoppix
->> fame) will
->> > > be coming to SageSecure offices on Monday the 19th at 6pmish.
->> They
->> > > want to talk about community relations w/NYCBug... Anybody
->> besides
->> > > George in on this?
->> >
->> > I think I can make it.
->>
->> I'll plan on attending, too.
->>
->> H
->>
->>
->> ------------------------------
->>
->> Message: 6
->> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:12:57 -0500
->> From: "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net>
->> Subject: RE: [nycbug-talk] flier - how many are you printing?
->> To: <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
->> Message-ID:
->>
->>
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->> that number makes sense jan. but considering we'll have a presence
->> at
->> bsdmall & nyphp, plus the bof, i think we should increase slightly.
->>
->> not that i have any f'g idea. . .
->>
->> g
->>
->> ->LinuxWorld is fairly large. Last year, we (NetBSD) started
->> ->out with 150 flyers, which were gone by noon the first day.
->> ->Then we printed some more and eventually handed out a total
->> ->of about 450 until we ran out again. Had we had more the
->> ->last day, we probably could have given out another 100.
->>
->> ->So, if you have a booth, I'd say the ballpark is ~500.
->>
->> ->I now have about 150 of our flyers (see
->> ->http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/advocacy/), ->which I'll be happy
->> ->to drop off anywhere possible (since we don't have a booth this
->> year).
->>
->>
->>
->> ------------------------------
->>
->> Message: 7
->> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:14:59 -0500
->> From: "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net>
->> Subject: RE: [nycbug-talk] LinuxTag/Knoppix people coming...
->> To: "'Hans Zaunere'" <hans at nyphp.com>, "'Marc Spitzer'"
->> <mspitze1 at optonline.net>, <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
->> Message-ID:
->>
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->>
->> guess i should try out knoppix *before* the meeting . . .
->>
->> still a bit confused of the concrete goal of this meeting, to be
->> honest.
->>
->> g
->>
->> ->-----Original Message-----
->> ->From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org
->> ->[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
->> ->Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 5:53 PM
->> ->To: Marc Spitzer; talk at lists.nycbug.org
->> ->Subject: RE: [nycbug-talk] LinuxTag/Knoppix people coming...
->> ->
->> ->
->> ->
->> ->> On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:31:32 -0500 (EST)
->> ->> Wes Sonnenreich <wes at sagesecure.com> wrote:
->> ->>
->> ->> > LinuxTag people (including possibly Mr. Knopper of Knoppix
->> fame)
->> ->> > will be coming to SageSecure offices on Monday the 19th
->> ->at 6pmish.
->> ->> > They want to talk about community relations w/NYCBug...
->> Anybody
->> ->> > besides George in on this?
->> ->>
->> ->> I think I can make it.
->> ->
->> ->I'll plan on attending, too.
->> ->
->> ->H
->> ->
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->>
->> ------------------------------
->>
->> Message: 8
->> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:14:59 -0500
->> From: "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net>
->> Subject: RE: [nycbug-talk] FW: Oracle Meeting Results
->> To: "'Hans Zaunere'" <hans at nyphp.com>, "'General discussion'"
->> <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
->> Message-ID:
->>
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->> nice work fence post. . .
->>
->> i'd be interested also.
->>
->> g
->>
->> ->Just got off the phone with an OTN (Oracle Technical Network)
->> ->organizer for LinuxWorld. They'll be having an installfest,
->> ->and although focused on Linux, I pinged him about the BSDs.
->> ->We've got the go ahead if anyone wants to demo or share
->> ->experiences on installing and using Oracle on a BSD :)
->>
->>
->> ------------------------------
->>
->> Message: 9
->> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:23:07 -0500
->> From: "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net>
->> Subject: [nycbug-talk] computer book works on reade street
->> To: <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
->> Message-ID:
->>
->>
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->>
->> for those who don't know this store, it's between broadway and
->> church
->> street by city hall.
->>
->> they have an enormous selection of technical books, heavily
->> discounted.
->> as a side note, they do not seem to be carrying wes' recent
->> project,
->> network security illustrated.
->>
->> since 9/11 in particular, they are hurting for business. i spoke
->> to the
->> main man there (david) and find that they are no longer open on
->> sunday.
->> they've lost the critical member of the staff who is technically
->> proficient.
->>
->> first, i want to encourage all to use their store. cheaper than
->> amazon
->> and b&n by far.
->>
->> mention nycbug when you're there.
->>
->> also, considering they are only selling online through amazon, and
->> they
->> are solely devoted to tech books, they have a problem. maybe a
->> group of
->> www design, dev and sysadmin-types in nycbug could help them out. .
->> .
->>
->> currently, they have an issue keeping their pos database and online
->> database synced. although this is second-hand from david who's
->> non-technical, it sounds like whatever firm that is helping them is
->> f'g
->> them . . .saying they have to export the data daily to keep it
->> synced.
->> . .woah. so 1985.
->>
->> anyway, they are an important institution in nyc for all technical
->> users, particularly us.
->>
->> they will have a presence at linuxexpo. stop by, buy some books
->> from
->> them. introduce yourself.
->>
->> how do people feel about possibly assisting them in redesigning
->> their
->> pos and ecommerce database?
->>
->>
->> maybe a few people would like to volunteer and help them out. . .
->> g
->>
->>
->> ------------------------------
->>
->> Message: 10
->> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:26:36 -0500
->> From: "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net>
->> Subject: [nycbug-talk] announcement. . .
->> To: <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
->> Message-ID:
->>
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->> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
->>
->> i don't mean to keep beating this dead horse, but i'm a bit
->> confused by
->> the announcements not getting posted on bsdforums, bsdvault, etc.
->>
->> i know they've been sent, but how come they weren't posted?
->>
->> also, marc, get your sh*t together. it takes two minutes to hit
->> usenet/deja and attack them. if you remember, that's where i first
->> contacted *you* about getting a bsd user group started in nyc. i
->> think
->> a few others are also from there too.
->>
->> g
->>
->>
->> ------------------------------
->>
->> Message: 11
->> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:36:15 -0500
->> From: "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net>
->> Subject: [nycbug-talk] fbsd 5.2
->> To: <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
->> Message-ID:
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->> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
->>
->> some recent experiences. . .
->>
->> 1. the install process adds a couple of more questions, including
->> whether you want to allow ssh logins.
->>
->> 2. seems that everytime you go into sysinstall, a whole set of
->> comments
->> are added to the rc.conf, which i think is a pain in the ass. so
->> you're
->> having a problem using the ports, and decide to use sysinstall's
->> packages. boom, three or so lines of code clogging up your
->> rc.conf.
->>
->> 3. also, for some reason, when i enable linux compatibility *each*
->> time
->> during the install process, it bombs out and i need to do it
->> manually
->> later on.
->>
->> comments? common experiences?
->>
->> g
->>
->>
->> ------------------------------
->>
->> Message: 12
->> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:07:15 -0500
->> From: "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net>
->> Subject: [nycbug-talk] a question. . .
->> To: "'Jeremy Sohn'" <jeremy at wasabisystems.com>
->> Cc: talk at lists.nycbug.org
->> Message-ID:
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->> glad you can make the bof. we'd be honored to have wasabi present.
->>
->> are you going to have a table at linuxexpo? if so, could you
->> donate
->> 8.5" x 11" of table space for our fliers? it would be appreciated.
->>
->> also, is there a possibility of wasabi doing a meeting for nycbug
->> on
->> netbsd & embedded systems?
->>
->> thanks again for your followup.
->>
->> g
->>
->>
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