[nycbug-talk] Larry Ellison on "Cloud Computing"

[pete]

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:48:34 -0400, Siobhan Lynch <slynch2112 at me.com>
wrote:
> Seems like being cynical is a prerequisite for working with unix in  
> general - eh?

well - i'm not sure about that; but i think the point is this: the basic
operating principle(s) are not that new, and have been tried by a lot of
companies over time.  i think the joking bit is a side effect of the
cynical marketing that surrounds these efforts.


> While I somewhat agree - amazon is still in pioneering territory -  
> lots of companies built data rooms in their companies then came Exodus  
> and other colocation providers - lots of people built their own  
> "grids" or virtual machine computing with hypervisors and such in  
> their datacenters - now Amazon is in the same space metaphorically as  
> the colo providers - all they need is a decent SLA and a way to  
> recover fast.
> 

they my be pioneering in how they market this, or in their billing model;
but i remember working with IBM years ago to run my applications on their
managed clusters/grids/cloud etc, in IBM run DC's.  I'm sure IBM was not
the first to do this either.  unfortunately - for us we found that this did
not scale for us from a pricing/performance perspective.  

FWIW - this is coming from an HPC environment so it may have worked for
some other companies out there with different business models....but it
certainly did not work for us.

-pete

> 
> On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:52 PM, pete <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:44:00 -0400, Isaac Levy <ike at lesmuug.org>  
>> wrote:
>>> On Sep 27, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Pete Wright wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sep 27, 2008, at 7:32 AM, George Rosamond wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think this says a lot. . . I don't think he's the only one asking
>>>>> the
>>>>> question "what *is* cloud computing?"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> isn't it grid computing...oh wait i mean ebusiness on-demand..oh  
>>>> wait
>>>> i mean it's like when the network *is* the computer.  right?
>>>>
>>>> i don't know if i'd compare it to the world of women's fashion - but
>>>> it is funny how many fundamental concepts keep getting repackaged  
>>>> and
>>>> re-marketed and recycled every couple of years.
>>>
>>> "Cloud computing: A catchphrase in puberty"
>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/25/cloud_dziuba/
>>>
>> thanks for making my morning .ike!  i think the quote of the day is  
>> a a
>> toss up b/w:
>> "the Web 2.0 crowd...Javascript all-stars..." (although calling them
>> all-stars is a stretch IMHO)
>>
>> and
>>
>> "Energy-efficient computers powered by sunshine. This will be an  
>> instant
>> hit. There will be greenhouse gas output dashboards with neat little  
>> Ajax
>> widgets. You'll have calculators to figure out how much to pay for  
>> carbon
>> offsets each month. Don't believe me? Follow the money. "Green"  
>> technology
>> is the most efficient, modern way to capitalize on liberal guilt."
>>
>> sad, but probably true - that's a shame...
>>
>> -p
>>
>>
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Pete Wright
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