[nycbug-talk] Request for Review, Summary of FreeBSD src fetching problems

[Jesse Callaway]

It should be easy enough to set up an https service with the source you
need which is kept in sync with the FreeBSD source.

Not sure what is so difficult or controversial about this. I usually do
this sort of a thing when I have more than 10 boxes to take care of, just
out of bandwidth and speed concerns.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Brett Wynkoop <nycbug at wynn.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 12:55:08 -0500
> Brian Callahan <bcallah at devio.us> wrote:
>
> > On 2/14/2013 12:38 PM, Jesse Callaway wrote:
> > > Create your own SVN mirror and host it somewhere.
>
> SNIP
>
> > You need to extrapolate his problem outward. Even assuming that
> > solves his particular case, do you really want to "official" solution
> > to be "go host your own server elsewhere, deal with all the hassles
> > of chasing HEAD, maintain svn (which he says he doesn't want to do!),
> > etc., etc."?
> >
> > ~Brian
> >
>
> Brian is correct, while what you propose might work it is not
> reasonable.  Am I to tell each client that has FreeBSD installed that
> they need to set up a special update server and maintain that to allow
> for grabbing the sources.  Nope.
>
> I am dealing with similar issues on a development project at work where
> the hard core programming staff thinks it is nothing to change what is
> required of sys-admins to install our product.  My first install of the
> product in it's new form required 3 developers to help me over a period
> of several weeks before the product was installed and functional in my
> lab.  Needless to say I yelled and screamed which lead to folks above
> me saying,  "Wynkoop has a point, we better figure out how to make it
> as easy as it used to be"....that we turned into "Brett how about
> figuring it out and circulate your solution to dev for feedback".
>
> The FreeBSD project needs to worry about mindset and market share just
> like a for profit software operations or we will lose users, financial
> supporters and eventually developers because even if we have the best
> kernel or the greatest smp or superpages, or ZFS or
> BIG_MAGIC_OF_SOME_SORT people have only so much willingness to deal
> with pain.  I am nearing the end of my pain tolerance with FreeBSD, I
> am sure I am not the only one.
>
> Jesse I assure you I can come up with HACKENSTEIN solutions to the
> problem, but the point is that a good general solution needs to happen
> for the entire community of users, large and small.
>
> -Brett
>
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-jesse
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