[nycbug-talk] Re: talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 17
Danny G
dglasner
Sun Jan 18 02:54:30 EST 2004
Hi, I was wondering if there is an announcement only version of this
email list. while I may be interested in other users messages, right
now I'd like to only receive important announcements about NYCBUG.
Thanks in advance
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> 1. Re: RE: bof (Marc Spitzer)
> 2. Re: LinuxTag/Knoppix people coming... (Marc Spitzer)
> 3. RE: [nylug-announce] NYC *BSD User Group Launch:
> http://www.NYCBUG.org/ (Hans Zaunere)
> 4. RE: FW: Oracle Meeting Results (Hans Zaunere)
> 5. RE: LinuxTag/Knoppix people coming... (Hans Zaunere)
> 6. RE: flier - how many are you printing? (G. Rosamond)
> 7. RE: LinuxTag/Knoppix people coming... (G. Rosamond)
> 8. RE: FW: Oracle Meeting Results (G. Rosamond)
> 9. computer book works on reade street (G. Rosamond)
> 10. announcement. . . (G. Rosamond)
> 11. fbsd 5.2 (G. Rosamond)
> 12. a question. . . (G. Rosamond)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:02:27 -0500
> From: Marc Spitzer <mspitze1 at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] RE: bof
> To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
> Message-ID: <20040116150227.62917d43.mspitze1 at optonline.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:05:27 -0500
> "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net> wrote:
>
> > ->Car pooling to head up to BSDCan? If people want to take the
> train,
> > ->it's pretty scenery, and you can have a hack-a-thon on the way
> > ->up/back. But the drive is good too. I did that last August.
> Mostly
> > ->Interstate type roads, but a side trip through Lake Placid is
> > ->refreshing.
> >
> > at least a group discount. . .with amtrak. . .
>
> Amtrak has outlets in their seats ...
>
> marc
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:03:29 -0500
> From: Marc Spitzer <mspitze1 at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] LinuxTag/Knoppix people coming...
> To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
> Message-ID: <20040116150329.04a683b3.mspitze1 at optonline.net>
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>
> On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:31:32 -0500 (EST)
> Wes Sonnenreich <wes at sagesecure.com> wrote:
>
> > LinuxTag people (including possibly Mr. Knopper of Knoppix fame)
> will
> > be coming to SageSecure offices on Monday the 19th at 6pmish.
> They
> > want to talk about community relations w/NYCBug... Anybody
> besides
> > George in on this?
>
> I think I can make it.
>
> marc
>
> >
> > > Re,
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 07:23:37PM -0500, Wes Sonnenreich
> wrote:
> > >> Nils,
> > >>
> > >> Do you mean monday the 19th or monday the 26th? Either
> afternoon
> > >world> work, but the later on the 19th the better (I'm returning
> from
> > >a skiing> trip monday) perhaps around 5 or 6pm? The 26th is wide
> > >open.
> > >
> > > We fly to NYC tomorrow, thus I meant the 19th. Later is no
> problem
> > > at all. We stay at the Helmsley, Park Lane. Can you give me
> > > directions?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Nils Magnus
> > > Program-Chair LinuxTag 2004 Free Conference Program
> > >
> > > LinuxTag 2004: Where .com meets .org - magnus at linuxtag.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nycbug.org
> > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:13:19 -0800
> From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.com>
> Subject: [nycbug-talk] RE: [nylug-announce] NYC *BSD User Group
> Launch: http://www.NYCBUG.org/
> To: <jbacalle at nylug.org>
> Cc: General discussion <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Thanks John.
>
> H
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nylug-announce-bounces at mail.nylug.org
> > [mailto:nylug-announce-bounces at mail.nylug.org] On Behalf Of
> > John Bajana-Bacalle
> > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 4:13 PM
> > To: New York Linux Users Group Announce List
> > Subject: [nylug-announce] NYC *BSD User Group Launch:
> > http://www.NYCBUG.org/
> >
> > ----- Forwarded message from Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.com> -----
> >
> > From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.com>
> > Subject: NYC *BSD User Group Launch: http://www.NYCBUG.org/
> >
> > We have founded a new *BSD User Group in New York City, the New
> York
> > City BSD Users Group (<http://www.NYCBUG.org/>, pronounced
> > "nice-bug").
> > It is our goal to make this B.U.G. a longtime success, and a
> permanent
> > bright fixture in the skyline of New York City Metro's I.T.
> technical
> > communities.
> >
> > There are two goals for this new user group.
> >
> > First, to provide a forum for the many BSD users in New York City
> to
> > discuss and debate topics of interest to the BSD community.
> >
> > Second, to provide a bridge to users interested in learning more
> about
> > or expanding their knowledge of the BSD family.
> >
> > - Our kick-off event will be a free "birds-of-a-feather" session
> at
> > LinuxWorld Conference & Expo, at the Jacob Javits Center
> > on Thursday,
> > January 22nd, at 5:45pm, Room 1E15. We will have a presence at
> > various tables at the expo, including those of BSDMall and New
> York
> > PHP.
> >
> > - Our first monthly meeting will present on, "Secure by Default:
> > Learning from OpenBSD," will be held on Wednesday, February
> 4th at
> > 7:00pm in the offices of: SageSecure, 116 West 23rd Street and
> 6th
> > Avenue, on the fifth floor.
> >
> > Presented by Wes Sonnenreich, author of "Building Linux
> > and OpenBSD
> > Firewalls" and "Network Security Illustrated." This talk will
> deal
> > with crucial security concepts and best practices for today's
> > computing environments.
> >
> > Subsequent monthly meetings will take place at 7:00pm on the
> first
> > Wednesday of the month.
> >
> > Our website is located at <http://www.NYCBUG.org/>.
> >
> > o NYCBUG will include a joint documentation project with New
> York PHP
> > (<http://www.NYPHP.org/>) and OpenlySecure.org, focused on
> > providing
> > original documentation to new and experienced BSD users alike.
> >
> > o NYCBUG also provides community mailing lists to assist in
> > discussion
> > and learning about the BSD world. Interested users, please
> join the
> > mailing list(s) at <http://www.NYCBUG.org/mailinglist.html>.
> >
> > NYCBUG is open to all interested individuals, including, but
> > not limited
> > to, users of FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, DragonFlyBSD,
> > OpenDarwin, Darwin
> > and Mac OSX.
> >
> > Since the origins of the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD)
> Unix in
> > the 1970's, BSD has been a consistent force among the backroom
> servers
> > of the world, powering internet service providers, hosting firms,
> and
> > web sites such as Yahoo! and 2600.com. NYCBUG works to assist
> current
> > users, those interested in learning more about this fundamental
> > operating system family and various other BSD projects, and
> > to provide a
> > channel for community interaction.
> >
> > We look forward to supporting the BSD community in a variety
> > of ways in
> > the coming months and years. Please join us in making NYCBUG
> > a success.
> > E pluribus unum.
> >
> > We kindly endorse the distribution of this announcement among
> your
> > colleagues, and potential *BSD users. Thank you.
> >
> > ----- End forwarded message -----
> > _______________________________________________
> > nylug-announce mailing list
> > nylug-announce at mail.nylug.org
> > http://www.nylug.org/mailman/listinfo/nylug-announce
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:46:58 -0800
> From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.com>
> Subject: RE: [nycbug-talk] FW: Oracle Meeting Results
> To: "General discussion" <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> > > >> i think this is very good news.
> > > >>
> > > >> "not officially supported" but in development is a big step
> > > >> in the right direction.
> > > >
> > > > This is exciting news - maybe this is a petition topic?
> > > >
> > > > H
> > >
> > > Good idea for BOF and BSDcan petition, but probably won't
> interest
> > > many regular linuxexpo goers.
> >
> > I think this could be very useful, I think many, if not, all of
> its
> > competitors will follow it to freebsd. If Oracle does it it
> *must* be
> > a good idea after all.
>
> Following up on this...
>
> Just got off the phone with an OTN (Oracle Technical Network)
> organizer for LinuxWorld. They'll be having an installfest, and
> although focused on Linux, I pinged him about the BSDs. We've got
> the go ahead if anyone wants to demo or share experiences on
> installing and using Oracle on a BSD :)
>
> H
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:53:12 -0800
> From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.com>
> Subject: RE: [nycbug-talk] LinuxTag/Knoppix people coming...
> To: "Marc Spitzer" <mspitze1 at optonline.net>,
> <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> > On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:31:32 -0500 (EST)
> > Wes Sonnenreich <wes at sagesecure.com> wrote:
> >
> > > LinuxTag people (including possibly Mr. Knopper of Knoppix
> fame) will
> > > be coming to SageSecure offices on Monday the 19th at 6pmish.
> They
> > > want to talk about community relations w/NYCBug... Anybody
> besides
> > > George in on this?
> >
> > I think I can make it.
>
> I'll plan on attending, too.
>
> H
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:12:57 -0500
> From: "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net>
> Subject: RE: [nycbug-talk] flier - how many are you printing?
> To: <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
> Message-ID:
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> that number makes sense jan. but considering we'll have a presence
> at
> bsdmall & nyphp, plus the bof, i think we should increase slightly.
>
> not that i have any f'g idea. . .
>
> g
>
> ->LinuxWorld is fairly large. Last year, we (NetBSD) started
> ->out with 150 flyers, which were gone by noon the first day.
> ->Then we printed some more and eventually handed out a total
> ->of about 450 until we ran out again. Had we had more the
> ->last day, we probably could have given out another 100.
>
> ->So, if you have a booth, I'd say the ballpark is ~500.
>
> ->I now have about 150 of our flyers (see
> ->http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/advocacy/), ->which I'll be happy
> ->to drop off anywhere possible (since we don't have a booth this
> year).
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:14:59 -0500
> From: "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net>
> Subject: RE: [nycbug-talk] LinuxTag/Knoppix people coming...
> To: "'Hans Zaunere'" <hans at nyphp.com>, "'Marc Spitzer'"
> <mspitze1 at optonline.net>, <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
> Message-ID:
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> guess i should try out knoppix *before* the meeting . . .
>
> still a bit confused of the concrete goal of this meeting, to be
> honest.
>
> g
>
> ->-----Original Message-----
> ->From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org
> ->[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
> ->Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 5:53 PM
> ->To: Marc Spitzer; talk at lists.nycbug.org
> ->Subject: RE: [nycbug-talk] LinuxTag/Knoppix people coming...
> ->
> ->
> ->
> ->> On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:31:32 -0500 (EST)
> ->> Wes Sonnenreich <wes at sagesecure.com> wrote:
> ->>
> ->> > LinuxTag people (including possibly Mr. Knopper of Knoppix
> fame)
> ->> > will be coming to SageSecure offices on Monday the 19th
> ->at 6pmish.
> ->> > They want to talk about community relations w/NYCBug...
> Anybody
> ->> > besides George in on this?
> ->>
> ->> I think I can make it.
> ->
> ->I'll plan on attending, too.
> ->
> ->H
> ->
> ->_______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:14:59 -0500
> From: "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net>
> Subject: RE: [nycbug-talk] FW: Oracle Meeting Results
> To: "'Hans Zaunere'" <hans at nyphp.com>, "'General discussion'"
> <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
> Message-ID:
>
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> nice work fence post. . .
>
> i'd be interested also.
>
> g
>
> ->Just got off the phone with an OTN (Oracle Technical Network)
> ->organizer for LinuxWorld. They'll be having an installfest,
> ->and although focused on Linux, I pinged him about the BSDs.
> ->We've got the go ahead if anyone wants to demo or share
> ->experiences on installing and using Oracle on a BSD :)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:23:07 -0500
> From: "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net>
> Subject: [nycbug-talk] computer book works on reade street
> To: <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
> Message-ID:
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> for those who don't know this store, it's between broadway and
> church
> street by city hall.
>
> they have an enormous selection of technical books, heavily
> discounted.
> as a side note, they do not seem to be carrying wes' recent
> project,
> network security illustrated.
>
> since 9/11 in particular, they are hurting for business. i spoke
> to the
> main man there (david) and find that they are no longer open on
> sunday.
> they've lost the critical member of the staff who is technically
> proficient.
>
> first, i want to encourage all to use their store. cheaper than
> amazon
> and b&n by far.
>
> mention nycbug when you're there.
>
> also, considering they are only selling online through amazon, and
> they
> are solely devoted to tech books, they have a problem. maybe a
> group of
> www design, dev and sysadmin-types in nycbug could help them out. .
> .
>
> currently, they have an issue keeping their pos database and online
> database synced. although this is second-hand from david who's
> non-technical, it sounds like whatever firm that is helping them is
> f'g
> them . . .saying they have to export the data daily to keep it
> synced.
> . .woah. so 1985.
>
> anyway, they are an important institution in nyc for all technical
> users, particularly us.
>
> they will have a presence at linuxexpo. stop by, buy some books
> from
> them. introduce yourself.
>
> how do people feel about possibly assisting them in redesigning
> their
> pos and ecommerce database?
>
>
> maybe a few people would like to volunteer and help them out. . .
> g
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:26:36 -0500
> From: "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net>
> Subject: [nycbug-talk] announcement. . .
> To: <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
> Message-ID:
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> i don't mean to keep beating this dead horse, but i'm a bit
> confused by
> the announcements not getting posted on bsdforums, bsdvault, etc.
>
> i know they've been sent, but how come they weren't posted?
>
> also, marc, get your sh*t together. it takes two minutes to hit
> usenet/deja and attack them. if you remember, that's where i first
> contacted *you* about getting a bsd user group started in nyc. i
> think
> a few others are also from there too.
>
> g
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:36:15 -0500
> From: "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net>
> Subject: [nycbug-talk] fbsd 5.2
> To: <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
> Message-ID:
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> some recent experiences. . .
>
> 1. the install process adds a couple of more questions, including
> whether you want to allow ssh logins.
>
> 2. seems that everytime you go into sysinstall, a whole set of
> comments
> are added to the rc.conf, which i think is a pain in the ass. so
> you're
> having a problem using the ports, and decide to use sysinstall's
> packages. boom, three or so lines of code clogging up your
> rc.conf.
>
> 3. also, for some reason, when i enable linux compatibility *each*
> time
> during the install process, it bombs out and i need to do it
> manually
> later on.
>
> comments? common experiences?
>
> g
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:07:15 -0500
> From: "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net>
> Subject: [nycbug-talk] a question. . .
> To: "'Jeremy Sohn'" <jeremy at wasabisystems.com>
> Cc: talk at lists.nycbug.org
> Message-ID:
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> glad you can make the bof. we'd be honored to have wasabi present.
>
> are you going to have a table at linuxexpo? if so, could you
> donate
> 8.5" x 11" of table space for our fliers? it would be appreciated.
>
> also, is there a possibility of wasabi doing a meeting for nycbug
> on
> netbsd & embedded systems?
>
> thanks again for your followup.
>
> g
>
>
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