From bschonhorst Mon Nov 1 11:30:33 2004 From: bschonhorst (Brad Schonhorst) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 11:30:33 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] NSA recommendations for securing Mac OS X 10.3 (client) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A18C87E-2C23-11D9-B2FC-000A9573D036@vcsnyc.org> On Oct 30, 2004, at 2:45 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > I took a look at this yesterday, it's good stuff... although I > wouldn't physically disable half the hardware in my powerbook :) > > http://www.pycs.net/bbum/2004/10/28/#200410281 > I've seen hints at this pdf document but have never been able to download it. Must be more popular than expected. Does anyone have a copy they would be willing to send or post somewhere? thanks -brad From jbaltz Mon Nov 1 11:56:08 2004 From: jbaltz (Jerry B. Altzman) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:56:08 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] change sendmail port from 25 to something else In-Reply-To: <20041031055625.GB6916@bizintegrators.com> References: <41841E1C.8050304@experiencedstudents.com> <20041031055625.GB6916@bizintegrators.com> Message-ID: <41866AA8.6030503@omnipod.com> >>Hi All >>i wanted to run sendmail on some other port than 25 since optimumonline >>blocks it , and i dont want to use their relay to send my emails. >>how do i change the sendmail port ? >>where do i have to look for it ? > http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html#3.39 A few things 1) Are you just looking to have your own email proxy to connect to the outside world, or do you want to receive mail? 2) Have you considered why optimumonline might be blocking inbound port 25? (Like, they don't want people running "servers" on the end of "residential"/"noncommercial" lines, or they don't want to run spam reflectors on the end of their broadband connections?) (I have optimum online at home and am not aware that they block outbound port 25, maybe that's changed recently and I never noticed...) //jbaltz -- jerry b. altzman jbaltz at omnipod.com +1 646 230 8750 Thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe. From tillman Mon Nov 1 14:42:22 2004 From: tillman (Tillman Hodgson) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:42:22 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 5.X, renaming interfaces, and boot scripts Message-ID: <20041101194222.GR71118@seekingfire.com> How's that for a subject line? *grin* Anyway, I was playing with renaming hmeX interfaces on a quad-NIC in an Ultra 5 running -CURRENT today. This could be very, very useful for firewalls -- I've gotten interfaces mixed up before (one a box with 10 interfaces). But what about boot scripts? It seems to me that there needs to be a knob to name an interface /before/ networking is brought up, or else the scripts will reference the wrong name. Is there such a beast? grep'ing for 'name' in /etc/defaults doesn't show anything like it, though I could be looking in the wrong place. devfs, maybe? -T -- The mere sense of living is joy enough. Emily Dickinson From spork Mon Nov 1 15:22:11 2004 From: spork (Charles Sprickman) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:22:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD and Cobalt boxes Message-ID: Hi, I'm looking to grab a few of the little 1U cobalt boxes to use as nameservers. Any issues I should be aware of under FreeBSD? Any drivers for the LCD screen/buttons? Thanks, Charles ___ Charles Sprickman NetEng/SysAdmin Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net spork at bway.net - 212.655.9344 From pete Mon Nov 1 15:13:06 2004 From: pete (pete at nomadlogic.org) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:13:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD and Cobalt boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59661.160.33.20.11.1099339986.squirrel@www.nomadlogic.org> > Hi, > > I'm looking to grab a few of the little 1U cobalt boxes to use as > nameservers. Any issues I should be aware of under FreeBSD? Any drivers > for the LCD screen/buttons? > don't those run on a MIPS chip, or is that only on the cube boxen they put out? -p > Thanks, > > Charles > > ___ > Charles Sprickman > NetEng/SysAdmin > Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net > spork at bway.net - 212.655.9344 > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > ~~~oO00Oo~~~ Pete Wright email: pete at nomadlogic.org mobile: 917.415.9866 web: www.nomadlogic.org/~pete From JBrown Mon Nov 1 19:59:04 2004 From: JBrown (Brown, James Jim) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:59:04 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD and Cobalt boxes Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org To: NYC Bug List Sent: 11/1/04 3:22 PM Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD and Cobalt boxes Hi, I'm looking to grab a few of the little 1U cobalt boxes to use as nameservers. Any issues I should be aware of under FreeBSD? Any drivers for the LCD screen/buttons? Thanks, Charles ___ Charles Sprickman NetEng/SysAdmin Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net spork at bway.net - 212.655.9344 --- A company I know bought several 1U i386 RaQ4s when they first came out, and put them in service. 30 minutes later they were streaming po^wspam. The apps and/or kernel were not hardened very well and they were hacked. So out they came and they sat around collecting dust for a long time. About 10 months ago I got my hands on a couple of them for a look-see. There was a notice that someone had ported NetBSD to them. Unfortunately the port was for the MIPS Cobalt Qube. The cobalt page at http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/cobalt/ specifically says: "Note that the i386-based RaQ 3, RaQ 3i and RaQ 4 models are not supported by the cobalt port." Undeterred, I charged ahead. I spent the better part of a week trying to get something going. Nada. I then learned that the Cobalt ROM had been open sourced- and that there was a mailing list (https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/cobalt-rom-devel) so I ventured further. I signed up and wrote in asking if anyone had ever gotten a BSD up on the RaQ4 series. Tim Hockin, one of the original developers, kindly answered that no, noone has been able to get it working- and that they are Linux guys, not BSD guys. He commented further: > > >Nope. As far as I know, there are about 10 people in the world who > > >care. > > >Every time I ask for someone to provide more info/assistance, I get > > >silence in return. The code is tehre, have at it. > So the short answer is, as far as I know, noone has gotten it working. The problem is getting the boot environment set up correctly in RAM. The RaQ4 uses a Linux ROM kernel to boot. It reads a Linux kernel in from ext2 disk, decompresses it in RAM and jumps to the main entry point. I'd still like to get this working. It's just one of those quirky, cool things I'd like to do before I die (somewhere around #5625). So if anyone has any boot/startup experience and can lend a hand getting this going, drop me a line. Warning: detailed low-level ix86 assembler, and BSD kernel startup experience is required- not just ISO this or PXE-boot that. And it goes without saying- a lot of time is also required. Check the cobalt archives for some further notes: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=cobalt-rom-devel Best Regards, Jim B. Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.nycbug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20041101/6f66907c/attachment.html From trish Mon Nov 1 21:27:38 2004 From: trish (Trish Lynch) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 21:27:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 5.X, renaming interfaces, and boot scripts In-Reply-To: <20041101194222.GR71118@seekingfire.com> References: <20041101194222.GR71118@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: <20041101212638.T88582@ultra.bsdunix.net> On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > How's that for a subject line? *grin* > > Anyway, I was playing with renaming hmeX interfaces on a quad-NIC in an > Ultra 5 running -CURRENT today. This could be very, very useful for > firewalls -- I've gotten interfaces mixed up before (one a box with 10 > interfaces). > > But what about boot scripts? > > It seems to me that there needs to be a knob to name an interface > /before/ networking is brought up, or else the scripts will reference > the wrong name. Is there such a beast? > > grep'ing for 'name' in /etc/defaults doesn't show anything like it, > though I could be looking in the wrong place. devfs, maybe? > > -T > I haven't screwed around with the renaming of nics, however its nice to know there is someone else crazy enough to run FreeBSD/sparc64 :) I have an E250, and its been running great for about a year now as my mail server. -Trish -- Trish Lynch trish at bsdunix.net Ecartis Core Team trish at listmistress.org EFNet IRC Operator/SysAdmin @ irc.dkom.at AilleCat at EFNet Key fingerprint = 781D 2B47 AA4B FC88 B919 0CD6 26B2 1D62 6FC1 FF16 From lists Mon Nov 1 17:37:55 2004 From: lists (Az) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 22:37:55 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] change sendmail port from 25 to something else In-Reply-To: <41866AA8.6030503@omnipod.com> References: <41841E1C.8050304@experiencedstudents.com> <20041031055625.GB6916@bizintegrators.com> <41866AA8.6030503@omnipod.com> Message-ID: <4186BAC3.8010200@experiencedstudents.com> Jerry B. Altzman wrote: > >>> Hi All >>> i wanted to run sendmail on some other port than 25 since >>> optimumonline blocks it , and i dont want to use their relay to send >>> my emails. >>> how do i change the sendmail port ? >>> where do i have to look for it ? >> >> http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html#3.39 > > > A few things > 1) Are you just looking to have your own email proxy to connect to the > outside world, or do you want to receive mail? > 2) Have you considered why optimumonline might be blocking inbound > port 25? (Like, they don't want people running "servers" on the end of > "residential"/"noncommercial" lines, or they don't want to run spam > reflectors on the end of their broadband connections?) > (I have optimum online at home and am not aware that they block > outbound port 25, maybe that's changed recently and I never noticed...) > > //jbaltz I can receive emails from outside with no problems. i just want to send my emails using smtp because i recently subscribed to many mailing lists and dont want to use web interface to read and reply. they started blocking it a month or two ago if i am not mistaken. From pete Tue Nov 2 00:19:34 2004 From: pete (Pete Wright) Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:19:34 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] change sendmail port from 25 to something else In-Reply-To: <4186BAC3.8010200@experiencedstudents.com> References: <41841E1C.8050304@experiencedstudents.com> <20041031055625.GB6916@bizintegrators.com> <41866AA8.6030503@omnipod.com> <4186BAC3.8010200@experiencedstudents.com> Message-ID: <418718E6.6080101@nomadlogic.org> Az wrote: > Jerry B. Altzman wrote: > >> >>>> Hi All >>>> i wanted to run sendmail on some other port than 25 since >>>> optimumonline blocks it , and i dont want to use their relay to >>>> send my emails. >>>> how do i change the sendmail port ? >>>> where do i have to look for it ? >>> >>> >>> http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section3.html#3.39 >> >> >> >> A few things >> 1) Are you just looking to have your own email proxy to connect to >> the outside world, or do you want to receive mail? >> 2) Have you considered why optimumonline might be blocking inbound >> port 25? (Like, they don't want people running "servers" on the end >> of "residential"/"noncommercial" lines, or they don't want to run >> spam reflectors on the end of their broadband connections?) >> (I have optimum online at home and am not aware that they block >> outbound port 25, maybe that's changed recently and I never noticed...) >> >> //jbaltz > > > I can receive emails from outside with no problems. > i just want to send my emails using smtp because i recently > subscribed to many mailing lists and dont want to use web interface to > read and reply. > > they started blocking it a month or two ago if i am not mistaken. what may an easier (altho granted a much less fun ;) way to go about this would be to use comcast's own SMTP servers. I'm sure they give you info on this when you setup you email account with them. altho like i said, it's prolly not as fun as hacking up your own solution.... -p > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 917.415.9866 From tillman Tue Nov 2 09:28:42 2004 From: tillman (Tillman Hodgson) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:28:42 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 5.X, renaming interfaces, and boot scripts In-Reply-To: <20041101212638.T88582@ultra.bsdunix.net> References: <20041101194222.GR71118@seekingfire.com> <20041101212638.T88582@ultra.bsdunix.net> Message-ID: <20041102142842.GX71118@seekingfire.com> On Mon, Nov 01, 2004 at 09:27:38PM -0500, Trish Lynch wrote: > > I haven't screwed around with the renaming of nics, however its nice to > know there is someone else crazy enough to run FreeBSD/sparc64 :) Interestingly, it's been among the most stable of my servers :-) The ports tree really impressed me. On NetBSD, with pkgsrc, I have architectures that often won't build ports successfully (Vax is problematic that way, for example). On FreeBSD, the sparc64 box built anything I happened to try. > I have an E250, and its been running great for about a year now as my mail > server. Oh, nice! I'd love an E250 or E450. Real SCSI (Ultras have IDE), multiple processors, all good stuff. Too heavy to make buying and shipping off Ebay worthwhile though :-( http://www.seekingfire.com/projects/e3hardware/ The benchmarks linked to from that page are interesting too. The IDE interface on the Ultra 5/10 boxes is horribly bogus--I get better bonnie++ results from an NFS mount than I do from local disk. Currently, my only multi-CPU machine is a SparcStation 10 with dual Ross HyperSparc 90s running NetBSD. It's a great little machine, but I'd prefer bigger iron ;-) -T -- "It is not always the same thing to be a good man and a good citizen." -- Nicomachean Ethics, 325 B.C. by Aristotle From mikel.king Tue Nov 2 09:56:24 2004 From: mikel.king (Mikel King) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 09:56:24 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] change sendmail port from 25 to something else In-Reply-To: <4186BAC3.8010200@experiencedstudents.com> References: <41841E1C.8050304@experiencedstudents.com> <20041031055625.GB6916@bizintegrators.com> <41866AA8.6030503@omnipod.com> <4186BAC3.8010200@experiencedstudents.com> Message-ID: <4187A018.20902@ocsny.com> I know somewhere down the line I'll regret this but...Assuming that you are running FreeBSD you should be able to do the following; In /etc/mail you will find a lot of neat info regarding mc and cf files. copy the freebsd.mc to .mc and add/modify the following line: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=nn, Name=MTA') DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=587, Name=MSA, M=E') Remember to change nn to whatever port you'd like to run on... Now run 'make cf' which will build your new .cf but not install it as such. For that you must run 'make install' and HUP your daemon. You can read more about this stuff @: http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/doc8.12/cf/m4/tweaking_config.html Also please take the time to read the Makefile in /etc/mail as these directions are different for each version of sendmail and fBSD. -- Cheers, Mikel King CIO Optimized Computer Solutions, INC 39 West Fourteenth Street Second Floor New York, NY 10011 http://www.ocsny.com t: 212.727.2100x132 +------------------------------------------+ You may like them. You will see. You may like them in a tree. http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.OpenOffice.org http://www.Mozilla.org +------------------------------------------+ How do you spell cooperation? Pessimists use each other, but optimists help each other. Collaboration feeds your spirit, while competition only stokes your ego. You'll find the best way to get along. +------------------------------------------+ From mikel.king Tue Nov 2 10:01:32 2004 From: mikel.king (Mikel King) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:01:32 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 5.X, renaming interfaces, and boot scripts In-Reply-To: <20041101212638.T88582@ultra.bsdunix.net> References: <20041101194222.GR71118@seekingfire.com> <20041101212638.T88582@ultra.bsdunix.net> Message-ID: <4187A14C.7070700@ocsny.com> In IPFW you can assign a nic to a variable. Infact you can do so in your rc.conf and then reference that var from within IPFW. -- Cheers, Mikel King CIO Optimized Computer Solutions, INC 39 West Fourteenth Street Second Floor New York, NY 10011 http://www.ocsny.com t: 212.727.2100x132 +------------------------------------------+ You may like them. You will see. You may like them in a tree. http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.OpenOffice.org http://www.Mozilla.org +------------------------------------------+ How do you spell cooperation? Pessimists use each other, but optimists help each other. Collaboration feeds your spirit, while competition only stokes your ego. You'll find the best way to get along. +------------------------------------------+ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.nycbug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20041102/c349d273/attachment.html From jbaltz Tue Nov 2 10:20:08 2004 From: jbaltz (Jerry B. Altzman) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:20:08 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] change sendmail port from 25 to something else In-Reply-To: <4187A018.20902@ocsny.com> References: <41841E1C.8050304@experiencedstudents.com> <20041031055625.GB6916@bizintegrators.com> <41866AA8.6030503@omnipod.com> <4186BAC3.8010200@experiencedstudents.com> <4187A018.20902@ocsny.com> Message-ID: <4187A5A8.8090209@omnipod.com> Mikel King wrote: > I know somewhere down the line I'll regret this but...Assuming that you > are running FreeBSD you should be able to do the following; Very nice -- however, here's the question. If you're using sendmail as your mail submission agent (to thence send out mail) all well and good. If you're trying to receive mail on it from, it ain't gonna work right. Why can't he just use the smtp servers from optimum online? > http://optonline.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/optonline.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=39&p_created=1076619281&p_sid=XW4oCvph&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MjUmcF9wYWdlPTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1zbXRwIHNlcnZlcg**&p_li= in sendmail.cf, just add DSmail.optonline.et Or if you use Kmail/some other fancypants graphical client, there's a space in options... //jbaltz -- jerry b. altzman jbaltz at omnipod.com +1 646 230 8750 Thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe. From mikel.king Tue Nov 2 10:24:19 2004 From: mikel.king (Mikel King) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:24:19 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] stupid hosting question Message-ID: <4187A6A3.5090609@ocsny.com> Do most hosting providers count email traffic against your b/w limit for billing purposes? -- Cheers, Mikel King Optimized Computer Solutions, INC 39 West Fourteenth Street Second Floor New York, NY 10011 http://www.ocsny.com t: 212.727.2100x132 +------------------------------------------+ You may like them. You will see. You may like them in a tree. http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.OpenOffice.org http://www.Mozilla.org +------------------------------------------+ How do you spell cooperation? Pessimists use each other, but optimists help each other. Collaboration feeds your spirit, while competition only stokes your ego. You'll find the best way to get along. +------------------------------------------+ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.nycbug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20041102/72987f6b/attachment.html From dave-dated-1100014130.9bac08 Tue Nov 2 10:29:45 2004 From: dave-dated-1100014130.9bac08 (Dave Steinberg) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:29:45 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] stupid hosting question In-Reply-To: <4187A6A3.5090609@ocsny.com> References: <4187A6A3.5090609@ocsny.com> Message-ID: <069B9F82-2CE4-11D9-A203-0030656E7E7A@redterror.net> > Do most hosting providers count email traffic against your b/w limit > for billing purposes? I would say no, usually because email traffic is inconsequential compared to web traffic. The accounting problem gets challenging, in part because there are very few email log analysis programs, and even fewer that do aggregate statistics by domain. Then mapping them back to customer is still your problem. I don't do this with my customers. Regards, -- Dave Steinberg http://www.geekisp.com/ From mlists Tue Nov 2 10:29:28 2004 From: mlists (mlists at bizintegrators.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:29:28 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] stupid hosting question In-Reply-To: <4187A6A3.5090609@ocsny.com> References: <4187A6A3.5090609@ocsny.com> Message-ID: <20041102152928.GB7043@bizintegrators.com> On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 10:24:19AM -0500, Mikel King wrote: > Do most hosting providers count email traffic against your b/w limit for > billing purposes? Some do, some don't, not really sure which way it swings. Some list it as a separate thing, like XX MB of email bandwidth. We don't count it even for pure email hosting setups. From trish Tue Nov 2 10:51:37 2004 From: trish (Trish Lynch) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:51:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] change sendmail port from 25 to something else In-Reply-To: <418718E6.6080101@nomadlogic.org> References: <41841E1C.8050304@experiencedstudents.com> <20041031055625.GB6916@bizintegrators.com> <41866AA8.6030503@omnipod.com> <4186BAC3.8010200@experiencedstudents.com> <418718E6.6080101@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20041102104857.M88582@ultra.bsdunix.net> On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Pete Wright wrote: > > what may an easier (altho granted a much less fun ;) way to go about > this would be to use comcast's own SMTP servers. I'm sure they give you > info on this when you setup you email account with them. altho like i > said, it's prolly not as fun as hacking up your own solution.... > > -p > However it *is* the correct way. my mail servers do not accept mail from dynamic IP space. These IPs must relay through thier ISPs mail relays. Take a look at my headers ;) -Trish -- Trish Lynch trish at bsdunix.net Ecartis Core Team trish at listmistress.org EFNet IRC Operator/SysAdmin @ irc.dkom.at AilleCat at EFNet Key fingerprint = 781D 2B47 AA4B FC88 B919 0CD6 26B2 1D62 6FC1 FF16 From mikel.king Tue Nov 2 10:56:31 2004 From: mikel.king (Mikel King) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:56:31 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] change sendmail port from 25 to something else In-Reply-To: <4187A5A8.8090209@omnipod.com> References: <41841E1C.8050304@experiencedstudents.com> <20041031055625.GB6916@bizintegrators.com> <41866AA8.6030503@omnipod.com> <4186BAC3.8010200@experiencedstudents.com> <4187A018.20902@ocsny.com> <4187A5A8.8090209@omnipod.com> Message-ID: <4187AE2F.2020003@ocsny.com> Jerry B. Altzman wrote: > Mikel King wrote: > >> I know somewhere down the line I'll regret this but...Assuming that >> you are running FreeBSD you should be able to do the following; > > > Very nice -- however, here's the question. > If you're using sendmail as your mail submission agent (to thence send > out mail) all well and good. > If you're trying to receive mail on it from, it ain't gonna work right. > Right you are, but if Optimumonline is indeed blocking inbound port 25 then it really isn't an issue. > Why can't he just use the smtp servers from optimum online? Yes why not? I suppose if one wanted to have their own sasl enabled smtp engine for their treo600 or some other silly pda type dev. That would be reason enough, especialy if the ISP does block inbound 25. If this were the reason then I suppose point two wouldn't matter that much. But of course this is all just speculation. >> http://optonline.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/optonline.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=39&p_created=1076619281&p_sid=XW4oCvph&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MjUmcF9wYWdlPTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1zbXRwIHNlcnZlcg**&p_li= >> > > > in sendmail.cf, just add > > DSmail.optonline.et > > Or if you use Kmail/some other fancypants graphical client, there's a > space in options... > > //jbaltz -- Cheers, Mikel King Optimized Computer Solutions, INC 39 West Fourteenth Street Second Floor New York, NY 10011 http://www.ocsny.com t: 212.727.2100x132 +------------------------------------------+ You may like them. You will see. You may like them in a tree. http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.OpenOffice.org http://www.Mozilla.org +------------------------------------------+ How do you spell cooperation? Pessimists use each other, but optimists help each other. Collaboration feeds your spirit, while competition only stokes your ego. You'll find the best way to get along. +------------------------------------------+ From trish Tue Nov 2 10:57:36 2004 From: trish (Trish Lynch) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:57:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 5.X, renaming interfaces, and boot scripts In-Reply-To: <20041102142842.GX71118@seekingfire.com> References: <20041101194222.GR71118@seekingfire.com> <20041101212638.T88582@ultra.bsdunix.net> <20041102142842.GX71118@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: <20041102105316.Q88582@ultra.bsdunix.net> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > > Oh, nice! I'd love an E250 or E450. Real SCSI (Ultras have IDE), > multiple processors, all good stuff. Too heavy to make buying and > shipping off Ebay worthwhile though :-( > Yeah, mine was decommisioned at work, I drove it home that night :) > http://www.seekingfire.com/projects/e3hardware/ > > The benchmarks linked to from that page are interesting too. The IDE > interface on the Ultra 5/10 boxes is horribly bogus--I get better > bonnie++ results from an NFS mount than I do from local disk. > > Currently, my only multi-CPU machine is a SparcStation 10 with dual Ross > HyperSparc 90s running NetBSD. It's a great little machine, but I'd > prefer bigger iron ;-) > I have a bunch of sun4m boxes a sparcclassic, an SS5/100 and an SS10 with a Ross HS150, one runs Solaris, the other 2 OpenBSD, and I also have an Ultra 2 Dual processor box running Solaris 9 these days. -Trish -- Trish Lynch trish at bsdunix.net Ecartis Core Team trish at listmistress.org EFNet IRC Operator/SysAdmin @ irc.dkom.at AilleCat at EFNet Key fingerprint = 781D 2B47 AA4B FC88 B919 0CD6 26B2 1D62 6FC1 FF16 From marco Tue Nov 2 11:04:48 2004 From: marco (marco at metm.org) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:04:48 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] freebsd 5.3 same ports multiple machines Message-ID: <20041102160448.GR8848@metm.org> I haven't found the answer probably because I'm not searching for the right terms. And cause I am a newbie :) I have several laptops which don't have ethernet adaptors which I am using as video playback devices, basically I need mplayer which depends on about a dozen ports. And there are some libraries I have to get built first or it seems that mplayer doesn't build for them. So I built mplayer on a box which is connected to the net, I got the correct distfiles downloaded, etc. made a tarball of /usr/ports burned that onto a CD and untarred on the first laptop. Problem is that when I went into the freshly untarred ports tree, it considered everything already installed. ( I banged around with some make cleans and finally got everything that I needed installed, but was thinking there is probably a solution for this) Anyway, so what I have is a bunch of ports working on machine one and I want to have the same ports installed on machine two. I am guessing there is an elegant BSDish solution to do this but I can't find it. portupgrade doesn't seem to be the right tool, cause it looks to cvsup the ports tree first, but perhaps I haven't looked a portupgrade enough. Thanks for any pointers, -- Marco From jbaltz Tue Nov 2 11:39:35 2004 From: jbaltz (Jerry B. Altzman) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:39:35 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [nycbug-talk] change sendmail port from 25 to something else] Message-ID: <4187B847.5040203@omnipod.com> wups, I sent this to sender instead of to list; my bad. -------- Original Message -------- Mikel King wrote: > Jerry B. Altzman wrote: >> Mikel King wrote: >>> I know somewhere down the line I'll regret this but...Assuming that >>> you are running FreeBSD you should be able to do the following; >> Very nice -- however, here's the question. >> If you're using sendmail as your mail submission agent (to thence send >> out mail) all well and good. >> If you're trying to receive mail on it from, it ain't gonna work right. > Right you are, but if Optimumonline is indeed blocking inbound port 25 > then it really isn't an issue. Indeed, they block that and port 80 too, last time I checked. The idea, and I support it, is to prevent people with grossly-misconfigured sendmails at the end of a broadband line from being 0wnz0r3d and used as spam-reflectors/magnifiers. >> Why can't he just use the smtp servers from optimum online? > Yes why not? I suppose if one wanted to have their own sasl enabled smtp > engine for their treo600 or some other silly pda type dev. That would be > reason enough, especialy if the ISP does block inbound 25. If this were > the reason then I suppose point two wouldn't matter that much. But of > course this is all just speculation. If he's using secure stuff, it's not on port 25 anyway, so nothing lost. But as Trish pointed out, many places blacklist direct submissions from dynamic IP blocks (and just about everything in 24/8 is someone's broadband :-) he might find less mail getting out than he hoped. //jbaltz -- jerry b. altzman jbaltz at omnipod.com +1 646 230 8750 Thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe. From steve.rieger Tue Nov 2 11:45:00 2004 From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:45:00 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Email issues Message-ID: Am I the only one getting 2 copies of every post, This is happening for the past 3 hours or so -- Steve Rieger Ext; 1131 Cell 646-335-8915 DC 173*101254*4 From mikel.king Tue Nov 2 11:58:21 2004 From: mikel.king (Mikel King) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:58:21 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ultra sparc 5 Message-ID: <4187BCAD.30600@ocsny.com> Does anyone know if an ultra sparc 5 will support a 20Gb or larger ide drive? I have one in my basement and am thinging about dropping fBSd on it... -- Cheers, Mikel King Optimized Computer Solutions, INC 39 West Fourteenth Street Second Floor New York, NY 10011 http://www.ocsny.com t: 212.727.2100x132 +------------------------------------------+ You may like them. You will see. You may like them in a tree. http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.OpenOffice.org http://www.Mozilla.org +------------------------------------------+ How do you spell cooperation? Pessimists use each other, but optimists help each other. Collaboration feeds your spirit, while competition only stokes your ego. You'll find the best way to get along. +------------------------------------------+ From mikel.king Tue Nov 2 12:00:21 2004 From: mikel.king (Mikel King) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:00:21 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Email issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4187BD25.9010604@ocsny.com> Steve Rieger wrote: >Am I the only one getting 2 copies of every post, > >This is happening for the past 3 hours or so > > > Maybe it's send two coppies to Steve day? ;-) Seriously though I can't say as I've seen this on my end yet... -- Cheers, Mikel King Optimized Computer Solutions, INC 39 West Fourteenth Street Second Floor New York, NY 10011 http://www.ocsny.com t: 212.727.2100x132 +------------------------------------------+ You may like them. You will see. You may like them in a tree. http://www.FreeBSD.org http://www.OpenOffice.org http://www.Mozilla.org +------------------------------------------+ How do you spell cooperation? Pessimists use each other, but optimists help each other. Collaboration feeds your spirit, while competition only stokes your ego. You'll find the best way to get along. +------------------------------------------+ From dave-dated-1100020116.8e7398 Tue Nov 2 12:09:30 2004 From: dave-dated-1100020116.8e7398 (Dave Steinberg) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:09:30 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ultra sparc 5 In-Reply-To: <4187BCAD.30600@ocsny.com> References: <4187BCAD.30600@ocsny.com> Message-ID: > Does anyone know if an ultra sparc 5 will support a 20Gb or larger ide > drive? I have one in my basement and am thinging about dropping fBSd > on it... 120 *may* be the limit of the onboard controller. I have a 120 in mine. Worst case you could get an el-cheapo pci controller for > 120 gigs. Regards, -- Dave Steinberg http://www.geekisp.com/ From tillman Tue Nov 2 12:19:11 2004 From: tillman (Tillman Hodgson) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:19:11 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 5.X, renaming interfaces, and boot scripts In-Reply-To: <20041102105316.Q88582@ultra.bsdunix.net> References: <20041101194222.GR71118@seekingfire.com> <20041101212638.T88582@ultra.bsdunix.net> <20041102142842.GX71118@seekingfire.com> <20041102105316.Q88582@ultra.bsdunix.net> Message-ID: <20041102171911.GE71118@seekingfire.com> On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 10:57:36AM -0500, Trish Lynch wrote: > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > > Oh, nice! I'd love an E250 or E450. Real SCSI (Ultras have IDE), > > multiple processors, all good stuff. Too heavy to make buying and > > shipping off Ebay worthwhile though :-( > > Yeah, mine was decommisioned at work, I drove it home that night :) Oh, sweet deal. > a sparcclassic, an SS5/100 and an SS10 with a Ross HS150, one runs > Solaris, the other 2 OpenBSD, and I also have an Ultra 2 Dual processor > box running Solaris 9 these days. For home use? That's a fair amount of Sun gear ;-) It's odd how old hardware seems to be valued in "steps", and the value can actually /increase/ once shipping becomes a major portion of the overall cost. -T -- In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities. In the expert's mind there are few. - Suzuki-roshi From trish Tue Nov 2 13:09:46 2004 From: trish (Trish Lynch) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:09:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 5.X, renaming interfaces, and boot scripts In-Reply-To: <20041102171911.GE71118@seekingfire.com> References: <20041101194222.GR71118@seekingfire.com> <20041101212638.T88582@ultra.bsdunix.net> <20041102142842.GX71118@seekingfire.com> <20041102105316.Q88582@ultra.bsdunix.net> <20041102171911.GE71118@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: <20041102130346.I88582@ultra.bsdunix.net> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > > > a sparcclassic, an SS5/100 and an SS10 with a Ross HS150, one runs > > Solaris, the other 2 OpenBSD, and I also have an Ultra 2 Dual processor > > box running Solaris 9 these days. > > For home use? That's a fair amount of Sun gear ;-) > > It's odd how old hardware seems to be valued in "steps", and the value > can actually /increase/ once shipping becomes a major portion of the > overall cost. > Yep.... I love my old hardware too, bsdunix.net/rush.net (as it used to be) started on an SS1 running OpenBSD in 1996 or 97 or so, by the hostname of cygnus.rush.net Since then I gave my favorite band the rush.net domain and switched to using bsdunix.net entirely for my own personal use ;) since then its been on an SS1, a pentium 166, a dual PII333, a dual PII350, and an E250 :) my webhosts have been of varying speed/types too, but all ran OpenBSD or FreeBSD, on either intel or sun hardware. I personally love my sun hardware, to this day they have been very reliable (knock on virtual wood).... -Trish -- Trish Lynch trish at bsdunix.net Ecartis Core Team trish at listmistress.org EFNet IRC Operator/SysAdmin @ irc.dkom.at AilleCat at EFNet Key fingerprint = 781D 2B47 AA4B FC88 B919 0CD6 26B2 1D62 6FC1 FF16 From fungus Tue Nov 2 13:20:10 2004 From: fungus (Lonnie Olson) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:20:10 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] freebsd 5.3 same ports multiple machines In-Reply-To: <20041102160448.GR8848@metm.org> References: <20041102160448.GR8848@metm.org> Message-ID: On Nov 2, 2004, at 9:04 AM, marco at metm.org wrote: > I haven't found the answer probably because I'm not searching for the > right terms. And cause I am a newbie :) > > I have several laptops which don't have ethernet adaptors which I am > using as video playback devices, basically I need mplayer which depends > on about a dozen ports. And there are some libraries I have to get > built first or it seems that mplayer doesn't build for them. This is where binary packages can save your life. on your "net connected" or "building" machine run make package This will make a binary package which you can distribute to the other machines and install using: pkg_add /path/to/package-1.0.0.tgz http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/07/FreeBSD_Basics.html --lonnie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I love my old hardware too, bsdunix.net/rush.net (as it used to > be) started on an SS1 running OpenBSD in 1996 or 97 or so, by the hostname > of cygnus.rush.net > > Since then I gave my favorite band the rush.net domain and switched to > using bsdunix.net entirely for my own personal use ;) > > since then its been on an SS1, a pentium 166, a dual PII333, a dual > PII350, and an E250 :) > > my webhosts have been of varying speed/types too, but all ran OpenBSD or > FreeBSD, on either intel or sun hardware. > > I personally love my sun hardware, to this day they have been very > reliable (knock on virtual wood).... The Ultra5 and SS10 I have have been dead reliable, and combined with a serial<->ethernet terminal server they've saved my bacon a time or two too. I like SGI hardware too, especially O2s. They're just *pretty* little gumdrops[1]. My IRC/shell server runs on one. -T 1. From one of my favourite Benjy Feen stories, http://www.monkeybagel.com/shit.html -- When you can do nothing what can you do? - Zen koan From jesse Tue Nov 2 21:12:12 2004 From: jesse (Jesse Callaway) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:12:12 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD and Cobalt boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nothing to do with BSD, but replace the fans. They come with really lame mini fans and need good fans of the same dimension. On Nov 1, 2004, at 3:22 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking to grab a few of the little 1U cobalt boxes to use as > nameservers. Any issues I should be aware of under FreeBSD? Any > drivers for the LCD screen/buttons? > > Thanks, > > Charles > > ___ > Charles Sprickman > NetEng/SysAdmin > Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net > spork at bway.net - 212.655.9344 > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From spork Tue Nov 2 21:17:58 2004 From: spork (Charles Sprickman) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:17:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD and Cobalt boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Jesse Callaway wrote: > Nothing to do with BSD, but replace the fans. They come with really lame mini > fans and need good fans of the same dimension. >From what I heard here, BSD is a no-go on it... It's got some kind of screwy bootrom that only looks for a linux kernel on an ext2 filesystem. I'll look elsewhere for tiny and cheap I think... Charles > On Nov 1, 2004, at 3:22 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking to grab a few of the little 1U cobalt boxes to use as >> nameservers. Any issues I should be aware of under FreeBSD? Any drivers >> for the LCD screen/buttons? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Charles >> >> ___ >> Charles Sprickman >> NetEng/SysAdmin >> Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net >> spork at bway.net - 212.655.9344 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists >> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month >> > > From lists Tue Nov 2 22:42:32 2004 From: lists (lists at experiencedstudents.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:42:32 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] change sendmail port from 25 to something else Message-ID: <1099453352.418853a8ad4db@experiencedstudents.com> Jerry B. Altzman wrote: > wups, I sent this to sender instead of to list; my bad. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Mikel King wrote: > >> Jerry B. Altzman wrote: >> >>> Mikel King wrote: >>> >>>> I know somewhere down the line I'll regret this but...Assuming that you are running FreeBSD you should be able to do the following; >>> >>> Very nice -- however, here's the question. >>> If you're using sendmail as your mail submission agent (to thence send out mail) all well and good. >>> If you're trying to receive mail on it from, it ain't gonna work right. >> >> Right you are, but if Optimumonline is indeed blocking inbound port 25 then it really isn't an issue. > > > Indeed, they block that and port 80 too, last time I checked. > The idea, and I support it, is to prevent people with > grossly-misconfigured sendmails at the end of a broadband line from > being 0wnz0r3d and used as spam-reflectors/magnifiers. > >>> Why can't he just use the smtp servers from optimum online? >> >> Yes why not? I suppose if one wanted to have their own sasl enabled smtp engine for their treo600 or some other silly pda type dev. That would be reason enough, especialy if the ISP does block inbound 25. If this were the reason then I suppose point two wouldn't matter that much. But of course this is all just speculation. > > > If he's using secure stuff, it's not on port 25 anyway, so nothing lost. > But as Trish pointed out, many places blacklist direct submissions from > dynamic IP blocks (and just about everything in 24/8 is someone's > broadband :-) he might find less mail getting out than he hoped. > Thanx for your replies guys, i will try your suggestions on this weekend. Just to clear things up, as some of you might noticed i am using my domain name to send and receive emails. I am not hosting it on my *home* box insteed i got a hosting for it. The thing is some of my friends accept emails from *known* hosts and drop the rest with out even sorting good/bad. also i want to send my emails using smtp because i recently subscribed to many mailing lists and dont want to use web interface to read and reply. and then again as someone here noticed (i think it was Pete) i want to have some fun with freebsd. i am moving from WIndows to fbsd slowly ;) Well if i wanted an easy life ;) i would stay with windows and use optimum's smtp servers ;)) thanx again From lists Tue Nov 2 18:12:15 2004 From: lists (Az) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 23:12:15 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] change sendmail port from 25 to something else In-Reply-To: <1099453352.418853a8ad4db@experiencedstudents.com> References: <1099453352.418853a8ad4db@experiencedstudents.com> Message-ID: <4188144F.7070008@experiencedstudents.com> Sorry guys, i did not pay attention from the beggining to the situation. After reading Mikel King's reply i understood that i have to ask my hostprovider to change the ports to someother one first. sorry for inconvinience >I know somewhere down the line I'll regret this but...Assuming that you are running FreeBSD you should >be able to do the following; >In /etc/mail you will find a lot of neat info regarding mc and cf files. copy the freebsd.mc to >.mc and add/modify the following line: >DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=nn, Name=MTA') DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=587, Name=MSA, M=E') >Remember to change nn to whatever port you'd like to run on... >Now run 'make cf' which will build your new .cf but not install it as such. For that you >must run 'make install' and HUP your daemon. >You can read more about this stuff @: >http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/doc8.12/cf/m4/tweaking_config.html >Also please take the time to read the Makefile in /etc/mail as these directions are different for each >version of sendmail and fBSD. From george Wed Nov 3 02:05:37 2004 From: george (George Georgalis) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 02:05:37 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] stupid hosting question In-Reply-To: <069B9F82-2CE4-11D9-A203-0030656E7E7A@redterror.net> References: <4187A6A3.5090609@ocsny.com> <069B9F82-2CE4-11D9-A203-0030656E7E7A@redterror.net> Message-ID: <20041103070537.GB5898@run> On Tue, Nov 02, 2004 at 10:29:45AM -0500, Dave Steinberg wrote: > >I would say no, usually because email traffic is inconsequential >compared to web traffic. > yet some people use email for... http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/rss2email/ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/internet-services/access-via-email/ // George -- George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator Linux BSD IXOYE http://galis.org/george/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org From george Wed Nov 3 11:03:54 2004 From: george (George Georgalis) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 11:03:54 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fwd: Friendly Reminder: Free Ice Breaker Party with MAXIM & ABSOLUT this Thursday Message-ID: <20041103160354.GA28889@sta> Hey all, So after we're done this morning there is another party, this one with free drinks. (I've never been to a cosmo party, or "17" so caviet emurtor. // George ----- Forwarded message from Jerome - Cosmo Party ----- Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:16:12 -0500 Reply-To: new.york at cosmoparty.com From: Jerome - Cosmo Party To: george at galis.org Subject: Friendly Reminder: Free Ice Breaker Party with MAXIM & ABSOLUT this Thursday Hey , This is friendly reminder. You are invited to a Free Ice Breaker Party with MAXIM & ABSOLUT this Thursday night at 8pm. (Start time has changed, it's 8pm!) Maxim, Absolut Raspberri & Cosmo Party invite you to an exclusive "Let's Get It Started Party", the event where we do all the work while you enjoy complimentary Absolut Raspberri! > Absolut/Maxim girls will match you up with a beautiful stranger and arm you with a few conversation starter questions to make sure you start the conversation right. > The rest... with the help of a few Absolut Raspberri cocktails... is up to you! All guests will be entered to win a dinner date at one of Manhattan's finest restaurants, courtesy of Maxim. Free Absolut Raspberri cocktails. Join us at "17" Lounge/Club Located at 37 W 17th Street, between 5th and 6th Avenue Flatiron/Union Square - 10011 New York Don't forget to RSVP if you have not done it yet! http://www.cosmoparty.com/cosmorsvp/index.php?code=&id_soiree=456 Hope to see you there! Jerome **Event starts at 8pm sharp.** To be added to the Guest List, RSVP on www.cosmoparty.com Age range: 21-39 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator Linux BSD IXOYE http://galis.org/george/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org From paul Wed Nov 3 12:28:53 2004 From: paul (Paul Dlug) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:28:53 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Suns available for the taking Message-ID: Since there was some talk on the list the other day about running FreeBSD on sparc: I have two Sun E450's available if anyone wants them, completely free of charge. One of them is an older E450 with a single 250mhz processor, the other is dual 400mhz, both have a bunch of disks in them of assorted sizes, the each have at least a gig of memory in them as well. The only caveat is that you'd have to pick them up from our office in Ridge, NY (Exit 68 on the LIE). Due to their size and weight we're not willing to ship them. For anyone willing to make the trip out I'll also throw whatever spare processors and memory we have for them and a couple 3Com 24 port 10/100 switches. Please let me know if you're interested or if you have any questions. Thanks, Paul Dlug Systems Administration Supervisor American Physical Society From o_sleep Wed Nov 3 14:11:27 2004 From: o_sleep (Bjorn Nelson) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:11:27 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Suns available for the taking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2950288C-2DCC-11D9-9C5C-003065B84EC8@belovedarctos.com> Paul, I do support for a non-profit called SculptureCenter (http://www.sculpture-center.org). Would you like to donate the dual 400 e450 to them? They have a car (hopefully can fit one of the e450's)? They could also use the switch, currently they have a linksys switch that bugs out. Thanks, Bjorn On Nov 3, 2004, at 12:28 PM, Paul Dlug wrote: > Since there was some talk on the list the other day about running > FreeBSD on sparc: > > I have two Sun E450's available if anyone wants them, completely free > of charge. One of them is an older E450 with a single 250mhz > processor, the other is dual 400mhz, both have a bunch of disks in > them of assorted sizes, the each have at least a gig of memory in them > as well. The only caveat is that you'd have to pick them up from our > office in Ridge, NY (Exit 68 on the LIE). Due to their size and weight > we're not willing to ship them. For anyone willing to make the trip > out I'll also throw whatever spare processors and memory we have for > them and a couple 3Com 24 port 10/100 switches. > > Please let me know if you're interested or if you have any questions. > > > Thanks, > Paul Dlug > Systems Administration Supervisor > American Physical Society > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month From tillman Wed Nov 3 15:35:58 2004 From: tillman (Tillman Hodgson) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:35:58 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Suns available for the taking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041103203558.GB27173@seekingfire.com> On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 12:28:53PM -0500, Paul Dlug wrote: > Since there was some talk on the list the other day about running > FreeBSD on sparc: I was one of those folks ... > I have two Sun E450's available if anyone wants them, completely free > of charge. One of them is an older E450 with a single 250mhz processor, > the other is dual 400mhz, both have a bunch of disks in them of > assorted sizes, the each have at least a gig of memory in them as well. > The only caveat is that you'd have to pick them up from our office in > Ridge, NY (Exit 68 on the LIE). And this is where being on the NYC*BUG list (best BUG around!) whilst living on Canadian prairies sucks ;-) -T -- "The idle sysadmin is 100% utilised." -- Sam Johnston, SAGE mailing list From george Wed Nov 3 15:42:23 2004 From: george (George Georgalis) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:42:23 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Suns available for the taking In-Reply-To: <20041103203558.GB27173@seekingfire.com> References: <20041103203558.GB27173@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: <20041103204223.GF29238@sta> On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 02:35:58PM -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > >And this is where being on the NYC*BUG list (best BUG around!) whilst >living on Canadian prairies sucks ;-) > The lottery is not over yet! // Goerge -- George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator Linux BSD IXOYE http://galis.org/george/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org From steve.rieger Wed Nov 3 15:50:21 2004 From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:50:21 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Looking for reccomondations Message-ID: The corp I work for is looking for a groupware solution, open-xchange is not a viable option as it runs on java and needs to be tweaked to run on freebsd, The desires are as follows; group calendaring, imap, pop, project management. Etc... Does not have to be all in one package What do the bds'ers on this list use, and recommend, ..... -- Steve Rieger Ext; 1131 Cell 646-335-8915 DC 173*101254*4 From paul Wed Nov 3 16:30:44 2004 From: paul (Paul Dlug) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:30:44 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Suns available for the taking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E70CEF2-2DDF-11D9-AF75-000393BB3E22@aps.org> Thanks to everyone who replied, the Suns have now been placed with the first person who responded. If he backs out I'll move down the list. We will be taking some other Sun servers out of service over the course of the next few months. When they're available I'll post to the list again, we're happy to place them with people who will give them a good home. Thanks for the (overwhelming) response. Thanks, Paul From george Wed Nov 3 23:14:23 2004 From: george (G. Rosamond) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:14:23 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fwd: [Soekris] flashdist OpenBSD 3.6 Message-ID: <01ED0DF4-2E18-11D9-BA9B-000D9328615E@sddi.net> As per my post the other day. . . Begin forwarded message: > From: Chris Cappuccio > Date: November 3, 2004 6:27:40 PM EST > To: Manuel Pata , soekris-tech at lists.soekris.com > Cc: Subject: Re: [Soekris] flashdist OpenBSD 3.6 > > Ok, I took the ldd | grep idea and used it in flashdist the other day, > double checked it today...It looks like it should work, although I > haven't > tested it yet... I hit a fucking black cow last night (the invisible > kind) > so my volvo 240 rolls no longer... > > http://www.nmedia.net/~chris/soekris/flashdist-20041103.tar > > Let me know if this works/breaks, I won't be able to test it until > this weekend > > If you include things that depend on libraries not present in > /usr/lib, you need > to add ldconfig -m /usr/local/lib (or where ever the libraries are > located) > to your /etc/rc > > Nicholas Lee [nic-lists at plumtree.co.nz] wrote: >> >> flashboot has a method for auto-generating the library files that >> might >> be worth porting to flashdist. >> >> http://cvsweb.mindrot.org/index.cgi/flashboot/tools/libcopy.sh?rev=1.2 >> >> >> Nicholas >> _______________________________________________ >> Soekris-tech mailing list >> Soekris-tech at lists.soekris.com >> http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech > > -- > The past cannot be changed. The future cannot be guaranteed. > _______________________________________________ > Soekris-tech mailing list > Soekris-tech at lists.soekris.com > http://lists.soekris.com/mailman/listinfo/soekris-tech > From pete Thu Nov 4 00:01:03 2004 From: pete (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 21:01:03 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] VoIP Message-ID: <4189B78F.3060500@nomadlogic.org> saw this link on /. and i've also been thinking about VoIP as a way to cut down long distance costs due to my recent re-location. http://www.softwink.com/papers/Installation_Securing_VoIP_With_Linux/ so what's the skiny on VoIP, is it possible to set something up so that i would be possible to setup a phone network (sorry i'm really not familiar with telephony terminology) between peers across the 'net? I'm thinking telephone VPN...i think it may be a fun project but is it feasable? -pete -- ~~~oO00Oo~~~ Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete From alex Thu Nov 4 00:01:21 2004 From: alex (alex at pilosoft.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:01:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] VoIP In-Reply-To: <4189B78F.3060500@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Pete Wright wrote: > so what's the skiny on VoIP, is it possible to set something up so that > i would be possible to setup a phone network (sorry i'm really not > familiar with telephony terminology) between peers across the 'net? > I'm thinking telephone VPN...i think it may be a fun project but is it > feasable? sure: www.dundi.net www.thevpf.com From chrisc Thu Nov 4 00:19:21 2004 From: chrisc (Chris Coleman) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:19:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] VoIP In-Reply-To: <4189B78F.3060500@nomadlogic.org> References: <4189B78F.3060500@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20041103211746.I13595@ithildin.daemonnews.org> Asterisk is an easy way to setup a VOIP PBX. http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200409/asterisk.html -Chris On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Pete Wright wrote: > saw this link on /. and i've also been thinking about VoIP as a way to > cut down long distance costs due to my recent re-location. > > http://www.softwink.com/papers/Installation_Securing_VoIP_With_Linux/ > > so what's the skiny on VoIP, is it possible to set something up so that > i would be possible to setup a phone network (sorry i'm really not > familiar with telephony terminology) between peers across the 'net? I'm > thinking telephone VPN...i think it may be a fun project but is it feasable? > > > -pete > > -- > ~~~oO00Oo~~~ > Pete Wright > pete at nomadlogic.org > www.nomadlogic.org/~pete > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From pete Thu Nov 4 00:28:32 2004 From: pete (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 21:28:32 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] VoIP In-Reply-To: <20041103211746.I13595@ithildin.daemonnews.org> References: <4189B78F.3060500@nomadlogic.org> <20041103211746.I13595@ithildin.daemonnews.org> Message-ID: <4189BE00.6010607@nomadlogic.org> Chris Coleman wrote: >Asterisk is an easy way to setup a VOIP PBX. > >http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200409/asterisk.html > > > cool thanks chris! do you think there is enough bandwidth on a cable connection to run VoIP? also, would i need to purchase one the cards mentioned in the article, or could i use a VoIP enabled phone only(ala vonage)? -pete >-Chris > >On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Pete Wright wrote: > > > >>saw this link on /. and i've also been thinking about VoIP as a way to >>cut down long distance costs due to my recent re-location. >> >>http://www.softwink.com/papers/Installation_Securing_VoIP_With_Linux/ >> >>so what's the skiny on VoIP, is it possible to set something up so that >>i would be possible to setup a phone network (sorry i'm really not >>familiar with telephony terminology) between peers across the 'net? I'm >>thinking telephone VPN...i think it may be a fun project but is it feasable? >> >> >>-pete >> >>-- >>~~~oO00Oo~~~ >>Pete Wright >>pete at nomadlogic.org >>www.nomadlogic.org/~pete >> >>_______________________________________________ >>% NYC*BUG talk mailing list >>http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >>%Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists >>%We meet the first Wednesday of the month >> >> >> -- ~~~oO00Oo~~~ Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete From alex Thu Nov 4 00:26:35 2004 From: alex (alex at pilosoft.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:26:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] VoIP In-Reply-To: <4189BE00.6010607@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Pete Wright wrote: > cool thanks chris! do you think there is enough bandwidth on a cable > connection to run VoIP? also, would i need to purchase one the cards > mentioned in the article, or could i use a VoIP enabled phone only(ala > vonage)? What particularly are you trying to do? -alex From chrisc Thu Nov 4 00:30:28 2004 From: chrisc (Chris Coleman) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:30:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] VoIP In-Reply-To: <4189BE00.6010607@nomadlogic.org> References: <4189B78F.3060500@nomadlogic.org> <20041103211746.I13595@ithildin.daemonnews.org> <4189BE00.6010607@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20041103212853.C13595@ithildin.daemonnews.org> > cool thanks chris! do you think there is enough bandwidth on a cable > connection to run VoIP? also, would i need to purchase one the cards > mentioned in the article, or could i use a VoIP enabled phone only(ala > vonage)? > I run my phones on a cable connection just fine. We actually sell VOIP enabled phones, adapters, and VOIP service. You only need the cards if you are attaching the PBX to a regular phone line. Otherwise, you just need a VOIP phone or adapter. -Chris From pete Thu Nov 4 00:33:47 2004 From: pete (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 21:33:47 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] VoIP In-Reply-To: <20041103212853.C13595@ithildin.daemonnews.org> References: <4189B78F.3060500@nomadlogic.org> <20041103211746.I13595@ithildin.daemonnews.org> <4189BE00.6010607@nomadlogic.org> <20041103212853.C13595@ithildin.daemonnews.org> Message-ID: <4189BF3B.70801@nomadlogic.org> Chris Coleman wrote: >>cool thanks chris! do you think there is enough bandwidth on a cable >>connection to run VoIP? also, would i need to purchase one the cards >>mentioned in the article, or could i use a VoIP enabled phone only(ala >>vonage)? >> >> >> >I run my phones on a cable connection just fine. We actually sell VOIP >enabled phones, adapters, and VOIP service. You only need the cards if >you are attaching the PBX to a regular phone line. Otherwise, you just >need a VOIP phone or adapter. > >-Chris > > execellent! once i get a grip on everything re: Asterix i'll prolly be shooting you a line... cheers, pete -- ~~~oO00Oo~~~ Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete From pete Thu Nov 4 01:02:28 2004 From: pete (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:02:28 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] VoIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4189C5F4.6070609@nomadlogic.org> alex at pilosoft.com wrote: >On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Pete Wright wrote: > > > >>cool thanks chris! do you think there is enough bandwidth on a cable >>connection to run VoIP? also, would i need to purchase one the cards >>mentioned in the article, or could i use a VoIP enabled phone only(ala >>vonage)? >> >> >What particularly are you trying to do? > > > honestly i'm just checking out my options. one thing i think is interesting is the possibility to have relatively secure voice communications over a telephone. granted, it may be easier to setup a video conference via an encrypted tunnel, but i'm still interested non-the-less. -- ~~~oO00Oo~~~ Pete Wright email: pete at nomadlogic.org mobile: 917.415.9866 web: www.nomadlogic.org/~pete From alex Thu Nov 4 01:09:26 2004 From: alex (alex at pilosoft.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 01:09:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] VoIP In-Reply-To: <4189C5F4.6070609@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Pete Wright wrote: > >What particularly are you trying to do? > > > honestly i'm just checking out my options. one thing i think is > interesting is the possibility to have relatively secure voice > communications over a telephone. granted, it may be easier to setup a > video conference via an encrypted tunnel, but i'm still interested > non-the-less. You can use VOIP phones at each location and asterisk at one of the locations to bridge the calls, yes. I'm doing full "Hosted PBX" service with asterisk. It rocks. -alex From pete Thu Nov 4 01:18:07 2004 From: pete (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:18:07 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] VoIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4189C99F.6050401@nomadlogic.org> alex at pilosoft.com wrote: >On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Pete Wright wrote: > > > >>>What particularly are you trying to do? >>> >>> >>> >>honestly i'm just checking out my options. one thing i think is >>interesting is the possibility to have relatively secure voice >>communications over a telephone. granted, it may be easier to setup a >>video conference via an encrypted tunnel, but i'm still interested >>non-the-less. >> >> >You can use VOIP phones at each location and asterisk at one of the >locations to bridge the calls, yes. > > > execellent. it's starting to get clearer for me now. >I'm doing full "Hosted PBX" service with asterisk. It rocks. > > > interesting, is "Hosted PBX" basicly you all managing a pbx for customers? -p >-alex > > > -- ~~~oO00Oo~~~ Pete Wright email: pete at nomadlogic.org mobile: 917.415.9866 web: www.nomadlogic.org/~pete From alex Thu Nov 4 01:30:25 2004 From: alex (alex at pilosoft.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 01:30:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] VoIP In-Reply-To: <4189C99F.6050401@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Pete Wright wrote: > >I'm doing full "Hosted PBX" service with asterisk. It rocks. > > interesting, is "Hosted PBX" basicly you all managing a pbx for > customers? Pretty much. We provide a T1 (and/or) DSL line to their location, phones, etc etc, and we handle everything related to PBX (configuration, monitoring, etc). People like it - seems that all other PBX dealers are really out to screw people. ;) -alex From lists Thu Nov 4 05:38:08 2004 From: lists (lists at genoverly.net) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:38:08 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[nycbug-talk]_VoIP?= Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1CPf2B3Jma-0003vm@mrelay.perfora.net> I found this on OSNews: http://www.softwink.com/papers/Installation_Securing_VoIP_With_Linux/ It is linux specific, but still applies to Pete's original question. 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Morris points out, patterns are also useful for network management problems. In this installment, he shows how the Singleton pattern can be used to manage access to functionality in a networked system. http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/10/27/NMSingleton.html --------------------- Digital Media --------------------- ***Interview: Carmen Rizzo--Synthesizing the World If Carmen Rizzo were in a circus, he?€™d be its best juggler. It?€™s amazing how this Hollywood-based producer, composer, and remixer keeps artists, songs, technologies, concerts, films, studios, continents, and even trustees aloft. Appropriately, one of his remixes appears this year on Cirque du Soleil?€™s 20th Anniversary CD. http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2004/10/26/rizzo_db.html ================================================ O'Reilly User Group Wiki ================================================ Don't forget to check out the O'Reilly UG wiki to see what user groups across the globe are up to: http://wiki.oreillynet.com/usergroups/index.cgi Until next time-- -- From lists Thu Nov 4 05:50:03 2004 From: lists (lists at genoverly.net) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:50:03 +0100 Subject: [nycbug-talk] New BSD articles Message-ID: <0MKyxe-1CPfDm0Ygw-0004Lw@mrelay.perfora.net> Shamelessly ripped from OSNews... in case you didn't stop by there. Interview with Hubert Feyrer of NetBSD: The NetBSD-PT Group did an interview via e-mail with Hubert Feyrer. He has been a NetBSD developer for years and we wanted to know his views on NetBSD, his projects and some personal questions. http://netbsd-pt.org/?q=node/42 OpenBSD Works To Open Wireless Chipsets: In order to better understand why OpenBSD has decided this is important, KernelTrap approached Theo de Raadt with a few questions. In reply he fully explains the issue, talking about how successful this form of activism has been for OpenBSD in the past, and offering specifics on exactly what they are trying to accomplish. He summarizes, "the open source community has support for all the ethernet chipsets, all the scsi chipsets, all the raid chipsets, so why should we not have support for all the wireless chipsets?" http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/4118 From george Thu Nov 4 10:13:51 2004 From: george (G. Rosamond) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 10:13:51 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Holiday Party Message-ID: <22A79B90-2E74-11D9-90B7-000D9328615E@sddi.net> As I mentioned last night, here's the link to RSVP for the NY Technical Holiday Party Dec 15th. . .please RSVP soon, as we need to get a sense of the numbers for the location. http://nyphp.org/nytchp.php g From george Thu Nov 4 03:48:51 2004 From: george (george at rob.us.to) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 03:48:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] wiretap act re change sendmail port from 25 to something else References: <41841E1C.8050304@experiencedstudents.com> <20041031055625.GB6916@bizintegrators.com> <41866AA8.6030503@omnipod.com> Message-ID: <200411040848.iA48mpQl011201@localhost.localdomain> "Jerry B. Altzman" writes: > 2) Have you considered why optimumonline might be blocking inbound > port 25? (Like, they don't want people running "servers" on the end of > "residential"/"noncommercial" lines, or they don't want to run spam > reflectors on the end of their broadband connections?) Here is one reason I don't like going through the ISP smtp server: It's not a violation of the wiretap act for the isp to read it "pending delivery to its customers" - and it probably works the other way. from State Bar News, Technology Issue 2004 Copyright, and with permission of, the author: By David P. Miranda An e-mail service provider?s practice of viewing e-mails temporarily stored on its computers, pending delivery to its customers, does not constitute an interception within the meaning of the federal Wiretap Act. United States v. Councilman, 2004 WL 1453032, (1st Circ. 2004). Although the Councilman decision only addresses the issue of whether the defendant?s conduct was a criminal violation under the Wiretap Act, it calls into question the confidentiality of e-mails that are sent via service providers that engage in similar conduct. The decision should be considered by attorneys that exchange confidential information with clients by e-mail. In United States v. Councilman, defendant Bradford C. Councilman was vice-president of Interloc, an online rare and out-of-print book listing service, which provided certain customers with an e-mail address and acted as their e-mail service provider. The defendant directed Interloc?s employees to intercept, copy, and store e-mails originating from Amazon.com before reaching its customers. The defendant did this in order to review the intercepted e-mail to learn about its competitor Amazon.com for commercial purposes. After an e-mail message is composed, the message is sent to a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) where it is temporarily stored before being sent to the recipient?s mail serv- er. The mail server accepts the message and stores it in a location accessible to the recipient. Often, a separate Mail Delivery Agent (MDA) retrieves the message from the MTA in order to determine which user should receive the e-mail and delivers the message to that user?s mailbox. The defendant programmed Interloc?s MDA to intercept and copy all incoming communications from Amazon.com to Interloc customers while the e-mails were temporarily stored on Interloc?s computers. The defendant was charged with conspiracy to intercept electronic communications and intentionally disclose their contents under 18 U.S.C. ?2511(1)(a); conspiracy to use the contents of the unlawfully obtained electronic communication in violation of ?2511(1)(c); and conspiracy to cause a person to divulge the content of the communications while in transmission to persons other than the addressees of the communications in violation of ?2511(3)(a). The issue before the court was whether there was an ?intercept? of a communication within the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA), commonly known as the Wiretap Act. The Decision The First Circuit Court of Appeals held that no ?interception? occurred under the Act because the defendant acquired the e-mails while they were in ?electronic storage? and not during ?electronic communication.? ?Intercept? as defined under the Wiretap Act refers only to acquisition of ?electronic communications? and not data in ?electronic storage.? The court found that without requisite interception, the Wiretap Act was not violated. ?Intercept,? as defined in ?2510(4) of the Wiretap Act, refers to ?the aural or other acquisition of the contents of any wire, electronic, or oral communication?? The e-mails at issue in this case are ?electronic communications? within the meaning of ?2510(12) of the Wiretap Act. No mention is made in ?2510(12) that an electronic communication includes electronic storage of such communication. On the other hand, ?2510(1) defines ?wire communication? and expressly includes in the definition any electronic storage of such communication. The court noted that under general rules of statutory construction, when Congress includes particular language in one section of a statute but omits it in another, it is presumed that Congress acts intentionally and purposely in the disparate treatment. Because the messages, at the time of interception, were in electronic storage under ?2510(17)(A), which is not included in the definition of electronic communication, the messages were outside the scope of ?interception? under ?2511(1)(a). The Dissent A dissent by Judge Lipez states that the defendant?s approach to the Wiretap Act undoes decades of practice and precedent regarding the scope of the Wiretap Act and essentially renders the Act irrelevant to the protection of wire and electronic privacy. Judge Lipez found it inconceivable that Congress could have intended such a result merely by omitting ?electronic storage? from its definition of electronic communication. Potential Implications The New York Code of Professional Responsibility not only prohibits an attorney from knowingly revealing the confidences and secrets of a client, but also requires attorneys to exercise reasonable care to prevent law firm employees and others whose services are utilized by the lawyer from disclosing clients? confidences or secrets. DR 4-101(B), (D). In 1999 New York?s CPLR was amended to permit privileged communications to be sent by electronic means. CPLR ?4548 states that ?no communication privileged under this article shall lose its privileged character for the sole reason that it is communicated by electronic means, or because persons necessary for the delivery or facilitation of such electronic communication might have access to the content of the communication.? CPLR ?4548. Ethical Implications The NYSBA Committee on Professional Ethics, in its first ethics opinion specifically addressing the use of Internet e-mail to communicate with clients, stated that ?whether the use of Internet e-mail is consistent with [the duty to use reasonable care to protect client confidences and secrets] depends upon the likelihood of interception.? NYSBA Op. 709 (1998). Concluding that lawyers may ethically use e-mail to transmit confidential information to and from clients, the committee relied heavily upon the fact that unauthorized interception of email is a criminal offense under the ECPA, stating: ?we believe that the criminalization of unauthorized interception of e-mail certainly enhances the reasonableness of an expectation that e-mails will be as private as other forms of telecommunication.? NYSBA Op. 709 (1998). The First Circuit?s holding in Councilman, finding interception of e-mail legal at certain stages of electronic transmission, calls into question the foundation of reasoning upon which the committee relied when holding that a lawyer may use email to communicate with clients without breaching the duty of confidentiality under DR 4-101. In its 1998 opinion, the NYSBA committee warned that due to the rapidly evolving nature of the technology, lawyers must remain vigilant, and be cognizant of any changes in the likelihood of interception. If a lawyer is aware of a specific reason that a particular client?s e-mail system is at an increased risk of interception, the lawyer should choose a more secure means of communication. The Councilman decision may cause attorneys to refrain from using email as a method of exchanging confidential information with clients that have e-mail systems which are not secure. This may be difficult because e-mail is so commonly used, and is sometimes a client?s preferred method of communication. An attorney with a client who prefers to exchange communications via e-mail may wish to inquire as to the security and confidentiality provided by the client?s e-mail service provider. Miranda is a partner in the Albany law firm of Heslin Rothenberg Farley & Mesiti P.C., dedicated exclusively to intellectual property law. He can be reached at (518) 452-5600 or at dpm at hrfmlaw.com. Shanna K. O'Brien, a law clerk with the firm, assisted with this article. From jbaltz Thu Nov 4 11:59:39 2004 From: jbaltz (Jerry B. Altzman) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:59:39 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] wiretap act re change sendmail port from 25 to something else In-Reply-To: <200411040848.iA48mpQl011201@localhost.localdomain> References: <41841E1C.8050304@experiencedstudents.com> <20041031055625.GB6916@bizintegrators.com> <41866AA8.6030503@omnipod.com> <200411040848.iA48mpQl011201@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <418A5FFB.80601@omnipod.com> george at rob.us.to wrote: > Here is one reason I don't like going through the ISP smtp server: > It's not a violation of the wiretap act for the isp to read it "pending > delivery to its customers" - and it probably works the other way. WAY off topic for the BSD list, but... There are a few ways around this: 1) cough up the dough for a "commercial" level of service that allows you to run a server on your end of the wire...but be ready if/when they shut you down for AUP violations if your machine gets 0nwz0r3d for spamming/virus magnification/DDoS 1a) Get your day job to set up a VPN and use your company's email server. 2) Encrypt the email you send out that you don't want middlemen to see. 3) Don't put anything in email you wouldn't want on a billboard overlooking the BQE. :-) ObBSD: Right now I'm having no love or fun getting kde installed and playing nice on my Toshiba Satellite A10 -- anyone have an xf86 config file that they could ship my way? //jbaltz -- jerry b. altzman jbaltz at omnipod.com +1 646 230 8750 Thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe. From nycbug Thu Nov 4 12:14:39 2004 From: nycbug (a nice bug) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:14:39 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Re: wiretap act re change sendmail port from 25 to something else In-Reply-To: <418A5FFB.80601@omnipod.com> References: <41841E1C.8050304@experiencedstudents.com> <20041031055625.GB6916@bizintegrators.com> <41866AA8.6030503@omnipod.com> <200411040848.iA48mpQl011201@localhost.localdomain> <418A5FFB.80601@omnipod.com> Message-ID: <20041104171439.GA10885@florian.hastek.net> Jerry B. Altzman: > george at rob.us.to wrote: > >Here is one reason I don't like going through the ISP smtp server: > >It's not a violation of the wiretap act for the isp to read it "pending > >delivery to its customers" - and it probably works the other way. > > WAY off topic for the BSD list, but... > There are a few ways around this: > 1) cough up the dough for a "commercial" level of service that allows > you to run a server on your end of the wire...but be ready if/when they > shut you down for AUP violations if your machine gets 0nwz0r3d for > spamming/virus magnification/DDoS Just to point out another alternative in our area (nationally, really) to circumvent any port 25 issues - Speakeasy Networks lets you run whatever servers you need at a residential level of service (DSL), so long as you do it responsibly. They have 6Mb/s downstream DSL too.. Harold From ike Thu Nov 4 12:20:42 2004 From: ike (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:20:42 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] German BSD/English-friendly Colocation/Hosting Message-ID: Hi All, A wee bit of a fork from earlier threads: On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:59 AM, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: Subject: [nycbug-talk] Re: wiretap act re change sendmail port from 25 to something else > WAY off topic for the BSD list, but... > There are a few ways around this: Was just wondering- does anyone know any BSD and/or English Language friendly ISP's in Germany? I'm currently looking for some off-continent backup/redundancy etc... Rocket, .ike From dlavigne6 Thu Nov 4 12:38:40 2004 From: dlavigne6 (Dru) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:38:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] German BSD/English-friendly Colocation/Hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041104123651.S581@dru.domain.org> On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Isaac Levy wrote: > Hi All, > > A wee bit of a fork from earlier threads: > > On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:59 AM, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: > Subject: [nycbug-talk] Re: wiretap act re change sendmail port from 25 > to something else > >> WAY off topic for the BSD list, but... >> There are a few ways around this: > > Was just wondering- does anyone know any BSD and/or English Language friendly > ISP's in Germany? I'm currently looking for some off-continent > backup/redundancy etc... I don't know how they compare to other German ISPs, but www.punkt.de hosted EuroBSDCon. They deal primarily in DSL and all of their techs are fluent in English. Try contacting Wolfgang Zenker (zenker at punkt.de) for more details. Dru From ike Thu Nov 4 12:38:20 2004 From: ike (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:38:20 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] German BSD/English-friendly Colocation/Hosting In-Reply-To: <20041104123651.S581@dru.domain.org> References: <20041104123651.S581@dru.domain.org> Message-ID: <5180FB5E-2E88-11D9-BDDE-000D9368D406@lesmuug.org> Hi Dru, On Nov 4, 2004, at 12:38 PM, Dru wrote: > I don't know how they compare to other German ISPs, but www.punkt.de > hosted EuroBSDCon. So how the heck did EuroBSDCon go? You gonna' blog it? Soooo wish I could have gone! Rocket- .ike From ike Thu Nov 4 12:38:59 2004 From: ike (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:38:59 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] German BSD/English-friendly Colocation/Hosting In-Reply-To: <20041104123651.S581@dru.domain.org> References: <20041104123651.S581@dru.domain.org> Message-ID: <68D2E417-2E88-11D9-BDDE-000D9368D406@lesmuug.org> On Nov 4, 2004, at 12:38 PM, Dru wrote: > Try contacting Wolfgang Zenker (zenker at punkt.de) for more details. Thanks btw! Rocket- .ike From dlavigne6 Thu Nov 4 12:47:53 2004 From: dlavigne6 (Dru) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:47:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] German BSD/English-friendly Colocation/Hosting In-Reply-To: <5180FB5E-2E88-11D9-BDDE-000D9368D406@lesmuug.org> References: <20041104123651.S581@dru.domain.org> <5180FB5E-2E88-11D9-BDDE-000D9368D406@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: <20041104124712.H581@dru.domain.org> On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Isaac Levy wrote: > Hi Dru, > > On Nov 4, 2004, at 12:38 PM, Dru wrote: > >> I don't know how they compare to other German ISPs, but www.punkt.de hosted >> EuroBSDCon. > > So how the heck did EuroBSDCon go? You gonna' blog it? Soooo wish I could > have gone! Yeah, I'm getting there :-) Just finishing up the BSD Success Stories blog; EuroBSDCon is next in the queue. Dru From sunny-ml Thu Nov 4 12:42:19 2004 From: sunny-ml (Sunny Dubey) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:42:19 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] German BSD/English-friendly Colocation/Hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200411041242.19467.sunny-ml@opencurve.org> On Thursday 04 November 2004 12:20, Isaac Levy wrote: > Was just wondering- does anyone know any BSD and/or English Language > friendly ISP's in Germany? I'm currently looking for some > off-continent backup/redundancy etc... I don't think North America is going anywhere anytime soon ..... :D Sunny Dubey From ike Thu Nov 4 12:53:06 2004 From: ike (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:53:06 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] German BSD/English-friendly Colocation/Hosting In-Reply-To: <200411041242.19467.sunny-ml@opencurve.org> References: <200411041242.19467.sunny-ml@opencurve.org> Message-ID: <61EE97F6-2E8A-11D9-BDDE-000D9368D406@lesmuug.org> On Nov 4, 2004, at 12:42 PM, Sunny Dubey wrote: > I don't think North America is going anywhere anytime soon ..... :D > > > > Sunny Dubey solemn joke metadata: I guess that sentiment all depends on one's opinion of the current path which has been continued in America yesterday. Rocket- .ike From dlavigne6 Thu Nov 4 13:52:21 2004 From: dlavigne6 (Dru) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:52:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] html error Message-ID: <20041104135113.Q581@dru.domain.org> Okay. I always get this same d**n error whenever I try to put an URL in a blog. Can someone please tell me what is missing: You can also download and distribute the advertising flier from . When I go to view the blog, the URL is missing. Dru From bob Thu Nov 4 13:52:02 2004 From: bob (Bob Ippolito) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:52:02 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] html error In-Reply-To: <20041104135113.Q581@dru.domain.org> References: <20041104135113.Q581@dru.domain.org> Message-ID: <9D42EACC-2E92-11D9-94D5-000A95BA5446@redivi.com> On Nov 4, 2004, at 13:52, Dru wrote: > Okay. I always get this same d**n error whenever I try to put an URL > in a blog. Can someone please tell me what is missing: > > You can also download and distribute the advertising flier from > . > > When I go to view the blog, the URL is missing. If you don't put anything inside the anchor tag it's not going to be visible anywhere but the source. -bob From dave-dated-1100199162.c3dedb Thu Nov 4 13:53:41 2004 From: dave-dated-1100199162.c3dedb (Dave Steinberg) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:53:41 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] German BSD/English-friendly Colocation/Hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Was just wondering- does anyone know any BSD and/or English Language > friendly ISP's in Germany? I'm currently looking for some > off-continent backup/redundancy etc... http://www.bsws.de/ has Henning Brauer on staff (or did, at some point). I'm not sure if the whole thing is his, or if he's just a player, or what. I've never used them, but if Henning is on staff, that speaks *loads* to me. Regards, -- Dave Steinberg http://www.geekisp.com/ From lists Thu Nov 4 13:54:40 2004 From: lists (michael) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:54:40 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] html error In-Reply-To: <20041104135113.Q581@dru.domain.org> References: <20041104135113.Q581@dru.domain.org> Message-ID: <20041104135440.5d666995@delinux.abwatley.com> On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:52:21 -0500 (EST) Dru wrote: > > Okay. I always get this same d**n error whenever I try to put an URL > in a blog. Can someone please tell me what is missing: > > You can also download and distribute the advertising flier from > . > > When I go to view the blog, the URL is missing. > > Dru Some Title ----------------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^^ -- --- From dlavigne6 Thu Nov 4 14:10:52 2004 From: dlavigne6 (Dru) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:10:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] html error In-Reply-To: <20041104135440.5d666995@delinux.abwatley.com> References: <20041104135113.Q581@dru.domain.org> <20041104135440.5d666995@delinux.abwatley.com> Message-ID: <20041104141036.A581@dru.domain.org> On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, michael wrote: > On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:52:21 -0500 (EST) > Dru wrote: > >> >> Okay. I always get this same d**n error whenever I try to put an URL >> in a blog. Can someone please tell me what is missing: >> >> You can also download and distribute the advertising flier from >> . >> >> When I go to view the blog, the URL is missing. >> >> Dru > > Some Title > ----------------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^^ Doh! Thanks. Dru From ike Thu Nov 4 14:11:41 2004 From: ike (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:11:41 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] html error In-Reply-To: <20041104135113.Q581@dru.domain.org> References: <20041104135113.Q581@dru.domain.org> Message-ID: <5C1070FC-2E95-11D9-BDDE-000D9368D406@lesmuug.org> On Nov 4, 2004, at 1:52 PM, Dru wrote: > You can also download and distribute the advertising flier from > . > > When I go to view the blog, the URL is missing. Well, it seems that the downloads make the url dissappear in the download window, though the file downloads fine here- I'd suggest adding the following to your tag: Link Name This will make the download pop-up a blank browser window, so at least someone doesn't loose the page they were just reading... even though it's not javascript, folks hate pop-ups of any kind... so kindof darned if you do, darned if you don't... It'd be much cooler of the ORilley folks would force http headers for the relevant download for pdf and other file downloads, so that it doesn't go to a browser window at all- in the webserver, Apache or ohterwise, they could set the following: 'Content-Type', 'application/octet-stream' - and to get fancy, and provide nice download size/time/features etc..., 'Content-Disposition', 'inline; filename=filename.ext' This would make a browser simply hand the download off to the appropriate mechanism, instead of opening it in the browser window. A caveat here with PDF's, is that some windowze' users especially, expect PDF files to just open in their browser window like html. Dumb convention in most contexts, IMHO. This is documented for Apache 1.3 here (what I'd assume ORilley is running): http://httpd.apache.org/docs/content-negotiation.html Rocket- .ike From tux Thu Nov 4 14:55:49 2004 From: tux (Kevin Reiter) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:55:49 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] html error References: <20041104135113.Q581@dru.domain.org> Message-ID: <010a01c4c2a8$4a6e66a0$0500a8c0@apollo> : You can also download and distribute the advertising flier from : . I've also mirrored the doc on my site in the "Docs" section: http://penguinnetwerx.net/bsd/bsd_ss.pdf (..and yes, it opens in a new window if you get there from the menu =) -Kev From ike Thu Nov 4 15:16:43 2004 From: ike (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:16:43 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] German BSD/English-friendly Colocation/Hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71BA949F-2E9E-11D9-BDDE-000D9368D406@lesmuug.org> Hi Dave, All, On Nov 4, 2004, at 1:53 PM, Dave Steinberg wrote: >> Was just wondering- does anyone know any BSD and/or English Language >> friendly ISP's in Germany? I'm currently looking for some >> off-continent backup/redundancy etc... > > http://www.bsws.de/ has Henning Brauer on staff (or did, at some > point). I'm not sure if the whole thing is his, or if he's just a > player, or what. > > I've never used them, but if Henning is on staff, that speaks *loads* > to me. > > Regards, > -- > Dave Steinberg > http://www.geekisp.com/ So, indeed, Henning Brauer just got back to me as the first responder for my inquiries today: On Nov 4, 2004, at 3:09 PM, Henning Brauer wrote: > Hey, > > * Isaac Levy [2004-11-04 20:48]: >> The BC services were today reccommended on the NYC*BUG mailing list as >> a web hosting provider in Germany. > > wonderful ;) > Thanks Dave! Rocket, .ike From ike Thu Nov 4 15:59:19 2004 From: ike (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:59:19 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] off-topic | e-voting cracked? Message-ID: <6560AF3A-2EA4-11D9-BDDE-000D9368D406@lesmuug.org> Hi All, I'm sorry to stray off-topic here, and would ask that this thread be short and off-list, but I felt this post was noteworthy as many of us in the BSD world work in network security, and didn't want anyone to miss what could ostensibly be the most significant network attack in history to date. At this point, BlackBoxVoting.com has requested US Presidental Voting Poll results from over 3,000 US counties under the US Freedom of Information Act. Today, it seems as though there is some breaking news with regard to some computer attacks on central systems which tabulated the votes for key states in this US Presidental election: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/#breaking -- I am not implying any side as the attacker, nor am I implying the election outcome would have been different, just that this is big and interesting. With that, I'll keep further news off-list, (as I sit here wishing the voting machines were built Open Source from the get-go...). Best, .ike From spork Thu Nov 4 16:27:08 2004 From: spork (Charles Sprickman) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:27:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] off-topic | e-voting cracked? In-Reply-To: <6560AF3A-2EA4-11D9-BDDE-000D9368D406@lesmuug.org> References: <6560AF3A-2EA4-11D9-BDDE-000D9368D406@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Isaac Levy wrote: > With that, I'll keep further news off-list, (as I sit here wishing the voting > machines were built Open Source from the get-go...). Are you aware that the Diebold systems are all running various MS OSes (CE, NT)? And that the underlying "database" on the tabulating boxes is MS Access? The dialin software is the built-in MS RAS stuff. For some fun, have a read through some of the Diebold internal email lists: http://chroot.net/s/lists/ If you look around, you can find some of the Diebold software online, including "GEMS", the tabulating software. They left their ftp server open for quite some time. That's how the blackbox voting organizer started her quest - the ftp site came up in a google search. Charles > Best, > .ike > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From dlavigne6 Thu Nov 4 16:41:15 2004 From: dlavigne6 (Dru) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:41:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] EuroBSDCon report Message-ID: <20041104164053.I581@dru.domain.org> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5874 Dru From john Thu Nov 4 16:47:58 2004 From: john (John Bacall) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:47:58 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] German BSD/English-friendly Colocation/Hosting In-Reply-To: <71BA949F-2E9E-11D9-BDDE-000D9368D406@lesmuug.org> References: <71BA949F-2E9E-11D9-BDDE-000D9368D406@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: <200411041647.59838.john@unixen.org> > On Nov 4, 2004, at 1:53 PM, Dave Steinberg wrote: > > http://www.bsws.de/ has Henning Brauer on staff (or did, at some > > point). I'm not sure if the whole thing is his, or if he's just a > > player, or what. He owns it. It's on his site, balubalu.org or somesuch. John From pete Thu Nov 4 16:50:55 2004 From: pete (pete at nomadlogic.org) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:50:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] EuroBSDCon report In-Reply-To: <20041104164053.I581@dru.domain.org> References: <20041104164053.I581@dru.domain.org> Message-ID: <62949.160.33.20.11.1099605055.squirrel@www.nomadlogic.org> > > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5874 > dru it sounds like you had a good time out there. sorry you had problems with the laptop tho :( i actually ran into a similar problem with my new thinkpad during my talk on the soekris boxen. are you running X.org as your X server by any chance? I did not have any problems w/ either projectors until i switched to x.org. unfortunately it's usually in situations like the one you were in, so i've never had a chance to get a fix for it worked out. -pete > Dru > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > ~~~oO00Oo~~~ Pete Wright email: pete at nomadlogic.org mobile: 917.415.9866 web: www.nomadlogic.org/~pete From mlists Thu Nov 4 17:40:23 2004 From: mlists (mlists at bizintegrators.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:40:23 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] German BSD/English-friendly Colocation/Hosting In-Reply-To: <200411041647.59838.john@unixen.org> References: <71BA949F-2E9E-11D9-BDDE-000D9368D406@lesmuug.org> <200411041647.59838.john@unixen.org> Message-ID: <20041104224023.GG7043@bizintegrators.com> On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 04:47:58PM -0500, John Bacall wrote: > > On Nov 4, 2004, at 1:53 PM, Dave Steinberg wrote: > > > http://www.bsws.de/ has Henning Brauer on staff (or did, at some > > > point). I'm not sure if the whole thing is his, or if he's just a > > > player, or what. > > He owns it. It's on his site, balubalu.org or somesuch. > bulabula.org From george Fri Nov 5 19:31:11 2004 From: george (G. Rosamond) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:31:11 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] obsd mirrors Message-ID: <28D6F5CC-2F8B-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> Anyone else notice a problem with the OBSD ftp mirrors? Still waiting for my cd for 3.6 to get here. . . I can get to the master site, but none of the east coast ones, including Brandon's ftp.crimelabs.net. I'm on the Purdue mirror finally, but something like ten others didn't work, couldn't ping, nothing. g From sunny-ml Fri Nov 5 20:42:58 2004 From: sunny-ml (Sunny Dubey) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:42:58 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] obsd mirrors In-Reply-To: <28D6F5CC-2F8B-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> References: <28D6F5CC-2F8B-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> Message-ID: <200411052042.59149.sunny-ml@opencurve.org> On Friday 05 November 2004 19:31, G. Rosamond wrote: > Anyone else notice a problem with the OBSD ftp mirrors? > > Still waiting for my cd for 3.6 to get here. . . > > I can get to the master site, but none of the east coast ones, > including Brandon's ftp.crimelabs.net. > > I'm on the Purdue mirror finally, but something like ten others didn't > work, couldn't ping, nothing. you tried ftp://openbsd.mirrors.pair.com ?? *.mirrors.pair.com rocks Sunny Dubey From webmaster Fri Nov 5 21:10:05 2004 From: webmaster (Matthew Terenzio) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:10:05 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSD virtual hosting Message-ID: Hello folks, Nice to meet ya. A recommendation to this group was given over at the NYPHP list. I hope this is the proper list for such a question. I'm looking for suggestions for BSD Virtual Server hosting. If you run a hosting company yourself feel free to solicit me directly off the list. (once) Or else recommend a company you know is great. Of course, I'll probably lurk around for a while . . .see what you guys talk about over here. Thanks, Matt Terenzio From george Fri Nov 5 21:15:08 2004 From: george (G. Rosamond) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:15:08 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSD virtual hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Nov 5, 2004, at 9:10 PM, Matthew Terenzio wrote: > Hello folks, > Nice to meet ya. > > A recommendation to this group was given over at the NYPHP list. > I hope this is the proper list for such a question. > > I'm looking for suggestions for BSD Virtual Server hosting. > > If you run a hosting company yourself feel free to solicit me directly > off the list. (once) > > Or else recommend a company you know is great. I don't run a hosting company. (nor would I want to) Verio, Pair, and then there's our local buddies who do hosting on various BSDs. . .bizintegrators.com, bway.net, and geekisp.com. Sorry if I missed others on the list. . .Oh, and Alex's Pilosoft is a Linux shop, but few people know technology like Alex. > > Of course, I'll probably lurk around for a while . . .see what you > guys talk about over here. Browse the archives. . . pretty varied in topics covered. I think this list has a good tone, nothing is "stupid" and no one has delusions about knowing it all. But many heavies on the list, nonetheless. g From george Fri Nov 5 21:18:26 2004 From: george (G. Rosamond) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:18:26 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] obsd mirrors In-Reply-To: <200411052042.59149.sunny-ml@opencurve.org> References: <28D6F5CC-2F8B-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> <200411052042.59149.sunny-ml@opencurve.org> Message-ID: <240F1E98-2F9A-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> On Nov 5, 2004, at 8:42 PM, Sunny Dubey wrote: > On Friday 05 November 2004 19:31, G. Rosamond wrote: >> Anyone else notice a problem with the OBSD ftp mirrors? >> >> Still waiting for my cd for 3.6 to get here. . . >> >> I can get to the master site, but none of the east coast ones, >> including Brandon's ftp.crimelabs.net. >> >> I'm on the Purdue mirror finally, but something like ten others didn't >> work, couldn't ping, nothing. > > you tried ftp://openbsd.mirrors.pair.com ?? > > *.mirrors.pair.com rocks Yup. . .for some reason *every* mirror is complete crap tonight, including Pair's mirror. . . Only the master site is giving me anything. . .I usually use CrimeLabs.net, but they're no better. I don't know how, but after I built my Soekris kernel, my kernel went, even though I didn't overwrite my boxes kernel. I think it might have been the hdd flaking out. . .it may not have been seated right. So now I need to rebuilld. BTW, I'm doing a very slow and clear howto with OBSD 3.5 and Soekris, that I'll add to the library. From pete Fri Nov 5 21:46:26 2004 From: pete (Pete Wright) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:46:26 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] obsd mirrors In-Reply-To: <240F1E98-2F9A-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> References: <28D6F5CC-2F8B-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> <200411052042.59149.sunny-ml@opencurve.org> <240F1E98-2F9A-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> Message-ID: <418C3B02.3040304@nomadlogic.org> G. Rosamond wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2004, at 8:42 PM, Sunny Dubey wrote: > >> On Friday 05 November 2004 19:31, G. Rosamond wrote: >> >>> Anyone else notice a problem with the OBSD ftp mirrors? >>> >>> Still waiting for my cd for 3.6 to get here. . . >>> >>> I can get to the master site, but none of the east coast ones, >>> including Brandon's ftp.crimelabs.net. >>> >>> I'm on the Purdue mirror finally, but something like ten others didn't >>> work, couldn't ping, nothing. >> >> >> you tried ftp://openbsd.mirrors.pair.com ?? >> >> *.mirrors.pair.com rocks > > > > Yup. . .for some reason *every* mirror is complete crap tonight, > including Pair's mirror. . . Only the master site is giving me > anything. . .I usually use CrimeLabs.net, but they're no better. > > I don't know how, but after I built my Soekris kernel, my kernel went, > even though I didn't overwrite my boxes kernel. I think it might have > been the hdd flaking out. . .it may not have been seated right. > > So now I need to rebuilld. > on freeebsd-questions yesterday i think a guy posted this link: http://www.eng.ufl.edu/bobj/FreeBSD-5_3_RC2.torrent lead to a discussion about how 5.3-stable will be released officially as a torrent. i wounder if obsd has something similar "officially". -pete -- ~~~oO00Oo~~~ Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete From pete Fri Nov 5 21:51:09 2004 From: pete (Pete Wright) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:51:09 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSD virtual hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <418C3C1D.7040504@nomadlogic.org> G. Rosamond wrote: > > >> >> Of course, I'll probably lurk around for a while . . .see what you >> guys talk about over here. > > > Browse the archives. . . pretty varied in topics covered. I think > this list has a good tone, nothing is "stupid" and no one has > delusions about knowing it all. But many heavies on the list, > nonetheless. > g welcome matthew! also feel free to swing by #nycbug on irc.freenode.net if your into that sorta thing... -pete -- ~~~oO00Oo~~~ Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete From george Fri Nov 5 21:52:01 2004 From: george (G. Rosamond) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:52:01 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] obsd mirrors In-Reply-To: <418C3B02.3040304@nomadlogic.org> References: <28D6F5CC-2F8B-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> <200411052042.59149.sunny-ml@opencurve.org> <240F1E98-2F9A-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> <418C3B02.3040304@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: On Nov 5, 2004, at 9:46 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > G. Rosamond wrote: > >> >> On Nov 5, 2004, at 8:42 PM, Sunny Dubey wrote: >> >>> On Friday 05 November 2004 19:31, G. Rosamond wrote: >>> >>>> Anyone else notice a problem with the OBSD ftp mirrors? >>>> >>>> Still waiting for my cd for 3.6 to get here. . . >>>> >>>> I can get to the master site, but none of the east coast ones, >>>> including Brandon's ftp.crimelabs.net. >>>> >>>> I'm on the Purdue mirror finally, but something like ten others >>>> didn't >>>> work, couldn't ping, nothing. >>> >>> >>> you tried ftp://openbsd.mirrors.pair.com ?? >>> >>> *.mirrors.pair.com rocks >> >> >> >> Yup. . .for some reason *every* mirror is complete crap tonight, >> including Pair's mirror. . . Only the master site is giving me >> anything. . .I usually use CrimeLabs.net, but they're no better. >> >> I don't know how, but after I built my Soekris kernel, my kernel >> went, even though I didn't overwrite my boxes kernel. I think it >> might have been the hdd flaking out. . .it may not have been seated >> right. >> >> So now I need to rebuilld. >> > > on freeebsd-questions yesterday i think a guy posted this link: > > http://www.eng.ufl.edu/bobj/FreeBSD-5_3_RC2.torrent > > > lead to a discussion about how 5.3-stable will be released officially > as a torrent. i wounder if obsd has something similar "officially". > I think I heard something about that. . .I guess it was with FBSD. There's nothing on OBSD-misc about it. . .I'm using Purdue at ftp://osmirrors.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/OpenBSD/ It's the only functioning one besides the master. . . I'll look more into this. .. g From george Fri Nov 5 21:59:29 2004 From: george (G. Rosamond) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:59:29 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSD virtual hosting In-Reply-To: <418C3C1D.7040504@nomadlogic.org> References: <418C3C1D.7040504@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: On Nov 5, 2004, at 9:51 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > welcome matthew! > also feel free to swing by #nycbug on irc.freenode.net if your into > that sorta thing... > Yeah, some of us are too old to be out more than once a week, and we did have the NYC*BUG meeting this week. . . So our IRC Channel is packed with those over 30. . . g From nikolai.fetissov Fri Nov 5 22:30:09 2004 From: nikolai.fetissov (Nikolai N. Fetissov) Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:30:09 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] obsd mirrors In-Reply-To: <28D6F5CC-2F8B-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> References: <28D6F5CC-2F8B-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> Message-ID: <418C4541.8030305@peachisland.com> OBSD is switching to two level mirroring, this must be your lucky day ;) http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=109876192709527 -- Nikolai N. Fetissov PeachIsland Engineering, LLC G. Rosamond wrote: > Anyone else notice a problem with the OBSD ftp mirrors? > > Still waiting for my cd for 3.6 to get here. . . > > I can get to the master site, but none of the east coast ones, including > Brandon's ftp.crimelabs.net. > > I'm on the Purdue mirror finally, but something like ten others didn't > work, couldn't ping, nothing. > > g > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From george Fri Nov 5 22:33:37 2004 From: george (G. Rosamond) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 22:33:37 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] obsd mirrors In-Reply-To: <418C4541.8030305@peachisland.com> References: <28D6F5CC-2F8B-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> <418C4541.8030305@peachisland.com> Message-ID: On Nov 5, 2004, at 10:30 PM, Nikolai N. Fetissov wrote: > OBSD is switching to two level mirroring, this must be your lucky day > ;) > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=109876192709527 > -- > Nikolai N. Fetissov > PeachIsland Engineering, LLC > Ahh. . .at least Purdue is up. . . I had deleted my old messages before 11/01. . . Then there's that google thing that these kids keep talking about. . .should have tried that out. . . g From rick Sat Nov 6 09:26:13 2004 From: rick (Rick Aliwalas) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:26:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] obsd mirrors In-Reply-To: References: <28D6F5CC-2F8B-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> <418C4541.8030305@peachisland.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Nov 2004, G. Rosamond wrote: > Ahh. . .at least Purdue is up. . . I used rt.fm successfully last night. Really fast mirror. Easy to remember name as well ;) -rick From joshmccormack Sat Nov 6 10:30:21 2004 From: joshmccormack (Josh McCormack) Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:30:21 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] obsd mirrors In-Reply-To: <418C4541.8030305@peachisland.com> References: <28D6F5CC-2F8B-11D9-8EEF-000D9328615E@sddi.net> <418C4541.8030305@peachisland.com> Message-ID: <418CEE0D.5020100@travelersdiary.com> I downloaded the bit torrent that was listed on undeadly (i386). If anyone wants it burned to CD, if the network thing isn't working out, let me know. Josh Nikolai N. Fetissov wrote: > OBSD is switching to two level mirroring, this must be your lucky day ;) > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=109876192709527 From george Sat Nov 6 11:18:01 2004 From: george (G. Rosamond) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:18:01 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] like rabbits? Message-ID: <6DED10DE-300F-11D9-AC4D-000D9328615E@sddi.net> Just kidding. . .but.. . http://www.warbsd.com/ From dlavigne6 Sat Nov 6 12:24:06 2004 From: dlavigne6 (Dru) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:24:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD reviewers needed Message-ID: <20041106122347.N565@dru.domain.org> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/5890 Dru From JBrown Sat Nov 6 19:41:46 2004 From: JBrown (Brown, James Jim) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:41:46 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] like rabbits? Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org To: NYC Bug List Sent: 11/6/04 11:18 AM Subject: [nycbug-talk] like rabbits? Just kidding. . .but.. . http://www.warbsd.com/ ------------ With the increase in awareness, comes an increase in usefulness. I'm tracking BSD live CD distros like FreeBSDs own LiveCD and also the ports entry for cdroot. I've also seen: FreeBSD: - www.freesbie.org - www.LiveBSD.com (incl LiveBSD desktop, and m0n0wall variant) - http://frenzy.org.ua/eng/ NetBSD - ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/xtraeme/ OpenBSD based: - http://www.jtan.com/jtanoss/cdboot/ make your own - - http://www.jtan.com/jtanoss/cdboot/steps.html - http://www.blackant.net/other/docs/howto-bootable-cdrom-openbsd.php Tutorial (older) http://www.daemonnews.org/200106/bootable_CD.html as well as the tiny bsd.rd on www.openbsd.org. Anyone know of any other Live CD projects based on BSD? Best Regards, Jim B. Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ThruPoint, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.nycbug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20041106/ec70f976/attachment.html From george Sat Nov 6 19:49:50 2004 From: george (G. Rosamond) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:49:50 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] also on SSH Message-ID: For OpenSSH, if you solve the hosts.allow issue, you should be fine with the login.conf parameters. But there's another OpenSSH option that may be useful for your purposes, restricting directory access with chroot with one of these options in your sshd_config: ChRootUsers x,y,z ChRootGroups x,y,z This won't in itself restrict the *number* of processes a student could invoke, obviously. But you could also try out the following, to limit the commands a student could run in their home directory, for instance. On page 302 of the ORA SSH book, section 8.2.4.3, there's a script to provide a limited command list, without access to a shell. It's example 8.1 and the script is like this. . .I haven't tested it live, but you probably should first. . . Phew. . . g From george Sat Nov 6 19:24:04 2004 From: george (G. Rosamond) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:24:04 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenSSH and hosts.allow/hosts.deny Message-ID: <5489C442-3053-11D9-AC4D-000D9328615E@sddi.net> A few weeks ago, Chris asked it you could explicitly block or allow by ip for OpenSSH. I answered blindly "yes," even though SSH is not governed by inetd.conf and therefore is not ruled by /etc/hosts.allow or /etc/hosts.deny. But I knew it could be, but did not remember. I just checked the ORA book on SSH, and found the following on page 354: ...sshd is usually not invoked by inetd, ...the SSH server must be compiled with the flag --with-libwrap to enable internal support for TCP-wrappers. sshd then invokes TCP-wrapper library functions to do explicit access-control checks according to the rules in /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny. So in a sense, the term "wrapper" is misleading since sshd is modified, not wrapped, to support TCP-wrappers. The page then goes on to explain the hosts.allow and hosts.deny files, which probably don't require much explanation to you Chris. Anyway, no one else had followed up with a more comprehensive answer to Chris, and it sat in the back of my mind for a few weeks, until I'm sitting on Metro North with my iBook and the ORA SSH book. g From j Sat Nov 6 21:00:18 2004 From: j (Freeman, Joshua) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:00:18 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] freebsd 5.3 top story on /. Message-ID: <319FD9EAB7A43E43895ACA5AA1F81E05F886D7@xmail.nybg.org> well, the release of 5.3 has top billing on /. as of 8:05 tonight. :-) Now if I can figure out how to safely upgrade my 4.10 stable box to 5.3 stable! :-) J. Joshua S. Freeman Director, Information Technology, NYBG v: 718 817 8937 m: 347 392 2560 jfreeman at nybg dot org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.nycbug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20041106/dbc17bb2/attachment.html From okan Sat Nov 6 21:14:47 2004 From: okan (Okan Demirmen) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:14:47 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenSSH and hosts.allow/hosts.deny In-Reply-To: <5489C442-3053-11D9-AC4D-000D9328615E@sddi.net> References: <5489C442-3053-11D9-AC4D-000D9328615E@sddi.net> Message-ID: <20041107021447.GA81823@yinaska.pair.com> On Sat 2004.11.06 at 19:24 -0500, G. Rosamond wrote: > A few weeks ago, Chris asked it you could explicitly block or allow by > ip for OpenSSH. > > I answered blindly "yes," even though SSH is not governed by inetd.conf > and therefore is not ruled by /etc/hosts.allow or /etc/hosts.deny. But > I knew it could be, but did not remember. > > I just checked the ORA book on SSH, and found the following on page 354: > > > > ...sshd is usually not invoked by inetd, ...the SSH server must be > compiled with the flag --with-libwrap to enable internal support for > TCP-wrappers. sshd then invokes TCP-wrapper library functions to do > explicit access-control checks according to the rules in > /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny. So in a sense, the term > "wrapper" is misleading since sshd is modified, not wrapped, to support > TCP-wrappers. > > > > The page then goes on to explain the hosts.allow and hosts.deny files, > which probably don't require much explanation to you Chris. > > Anyway, no one else had followed up with a more comprehensive answer to > Chris, and it sat in the back of my mind for a few weeks, until I'm > sitting on Metro North with my iBook and the ORA SSH book. > I don't remember the original post, nor the OS OpenSSH was used on, but just use ldd(1) or objdump(1) to see if your sshd is compiled with libwrap. I only know that OpenBSD has libwrap in by default. Looks like my hosting company who uses "FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE" doesn't have libwrap in, but it could be that pair pulls it out or FreeBSD doesn't by default. Anyway, easy check for anyone who cares ;) My .02 cents for now ;) Okan > g > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month -- Okan Demirmen PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB3670934 PGP-Fingerprint: 226D B4AE 78A9 7F4E CD2B 1B44 C281 AF18 B367 0934 From okan Sat Nov 6 21:19:56 2004 From: okan (Okan Demirmen) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:19:56 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] also on SSH In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041107021956.GB81823@yinaska.pair.com> On Sat 2004.11.06 at 19:49 -0500, G. Rosamond wrote: > For OpenSSH, if you solve the hosts.allow issue, you should be fine > with the login.conf parameters. > > But there's another OpenSSH option that may be useful for your > purposes, restricting directory access with chroot with one of these > options in your sshd_config: > > ChRootUsers x,y,z > ChRootGroups x,y,z > > This won't in itself restrict the *number* of processes a student could > invoke, obviously. > > But you could also try out the following, to limit the commands a > student could run in their home directory, for instance. > > On page 302 of the ORA SSH book, section 8.2.4.3, there's a script to > provide a limited command list, without access to a shell. In addition to something that George posted, I might recommend systrace(4) or restricted shell (rksh etc). I've used both methods in a large ISP's "bastion/management" host enviroment. Both worked well, but I must admit that once systrace(4) was ironed out, I moved everything to systrace(4) policies. Okan > It's example 8.1 and the script is like this. . .I haven't tested it > live, but you probably should first. . . > > > > > Phew. . . > > g > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month -- Okan Demirmen PGP-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB3670934 PGP-Fingerprint: 226D B4AE 78A9 7F4E CD2B 1B44 C281 AF18 B367 0934 From nycbug Sat Nov 6 21:59:39 2004 From: nycbug (a nice bug) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:59:39 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Re: OpenSSH and hosts.allow/hosts.deny In-Reply-To: <5489C442-3053-11D9-AC4D-000D9328615E@sddi.net> References: <5489C442-3053-11D9-AC4D-000D9328615E@sddi.net> Message-ID: <20041107025939.GA25192@florian.hastek.net> G. Rosamond: > A few weeks ago, Chris asked it you could explicitly block or allow by > ip for OpenSSH. > I answered blindly "yes," even though SSH is not governed by inetd.conf > and therefore is not ruled by /etc/hosts.allow or /etc/hosts.deny. But > I knew it could be, but did not remember. > Anyway, no one else had followed up with a more comprehensive answer to I have yet to use an sshd on FreeBSD or Linux that was not built by default with libwrap. But, why allow a TCP connection in the first place from an unwanted party? Access is done better at the local packet filter or the upstream firewall thereby managing network access from a single point, at roughly network speed without involving a disk read on the box itself. Harold From dcasey Sat Nov 6 22:42:06 2004 From: dcasey (Dan Casey) Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 22:42:06 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] New box is killing me Message-ID: <001c01c4c47b$c0c9f920$4703a8c0@bestweb.net> I dont know if this is the right mailling list to be sending this to. I've just discovered nycbug today. But this problem is killing me. This is a new 1u computer. 3 sata drives on raid5 (not currently plugged into the computer), and 1 80 wd sata plugged into the onboard sata controller. If anyone can help, or even point me in the direction of help, please! This new box is more trouble then its worth... I took my raid controller out, and installed 5.2.1 release on a single hard drive, thinking that the raid was the problem. the computer pauses randomly for a second every once in a while.. by randomly i mean every other second. i tried to reboot the system and this is what i got, followed by a complete freeze.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------... 'vnlru' to stop... stopped kernel trap 1 with interrupts disabled Fatal trap 1: privileged instruction fault while in kernel mode cpuid = 1; apic id = 01 instruction pointer = 0x8:0xebfeab82 stack pointer = 0x10:0xebfeab60 frame pointer = 0x10:0xebfeab7c code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x16 = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 552(reboot) trap number = 1 panic: privileged instruction fault cpuid = 1; boot() called on cpu#1 syncing disks, buffers remaining... panic: pmap_invalid_range: interupts disabled cpuid = 1; boot() called on cpu#1 Uptime: 7m11s spin lock sched lock held by 0xc2957640 for > 5 secondsThank you!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.nycbug.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20041106/ce5ce321/attachment.html From mlists Sun Nov 7 00:56:31 2004 From: mlists (mlists at bizintegrators.com) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 00:56:31 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] New box is killing me In-Reply-To: <001c01c4c47b$c0c9f920$4703a8c0@bestweb.net> References: <001c01c4c47b$c0c9f920$4703a8c0@bestweb.net> Message-ID: <20041107055631.GA21830@bizintegrators.com> Maybe disable hyperthreading in BIOS.. On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 10:42:06PM -0500, Dan Casey wrote: > I dont know if this is the right mailling list to be sending this to. I've just discovered nycbug today. But this problem is killing me. > This is a new 1u computer. 3 sata drives on raid5 (not currently plugged into the computer), and 1 80 wd sata plugged into the onboard sata controller. > > If anyone can help, or even point me in the direction of help, please! > This new box is more trouble then its worth... > > I took my raid controller out, and installed 5.2.1 release on a single hard drive, thinking that the raid was the problem. > > the computer pauses randomly for a second every once in a while.. by randomly i mean every other second. > > i tried to reboot the system and this is what i got, followed by a complete freeze.. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------... 'vnlru' to stop... stopped > kernel trap 1 with interrupts disabled > > > Fatal trap 1: privileged instruction fault while in kernel mode > cpuid = 1; apic id = 01 > instruction pointer = 0x8:0xebfeab82 > stack pointer = 0x10:0xebfeab60 > frame pointer = 0x10:0xebfeab7c > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x16 > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 > processor eflags = resume, IOPL = 0 > current process = 552(reboot) > trap number = 1 > panic: privileged instruction fault > cpuid = 1; > boot() called on cpu#1 > > syncing disks, buffers remaining... panic: pmap_invalid_range: interupts disabled > cpuid = 1; > boot() called on cpu#1 > Uptime: 7m11s > spin lock sched lock held by 0xc2957640 for > 5 secondsThank you!!! From spork Sun Nov 7 02:04:18 2004 From: spork (Charles Sprickman) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:04:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] New box is killing me In-Reply-To: <20041107055631.GA21830@bizintegrators.com> References: <001c01c4c47b$c0c9f920$4703a8c0@bestweb.net> <20041107055631.GA21830@bizintegrators.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 mlists at bizintegrators.com wrote: > Maybe disable hyperthreading in BIOS.. Or go to something more recent. 5.2.1 is beta quality at best. I believe 5.3 is now available. What type of raid controller are you using? Charles > On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 10:42:06PM -0500, Dan Casey wrote: >> I dont know if this is the right mailling list to be sending this to. I've just discovered nycbug today. But this problem is killing me. >> This is a new 1u computer. 3 sata drives on raid5 (not currently plugged into the computer), and 1 80 wd sata plugged into the onboard sata controller. >> >> If anyone can help, or even point me in the direction of help, please! >> This new box is more trouble then its worth... >> >> I took my raid controller out, and installed 5.2.1 release on a single hard drive, thinking that the raid was the problem. >> >> the computer pauses randomly for a second every once in a while.. by randomly i mean every other second. >> >> i tried to reboot the system and this is what i got, followed by a complete freeze.. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------... 'vnlru' to stop... stopped >> kernel trap 1 with interrupts disabled >> >> >> Fatal trap 1: privileged instruction fault while in kernel mode >> cpuid = 1; apic id = 01 >> instruction pointer = 0x8:0xebfeab82 >> stack pointer = 0x10:0xebfeab60 >> frame pointer = 0x10:0xebfeab7c >> code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x16 >> = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 >> processor eflags = resume, IOPL = 0 >> current process = 552(reboot) >> trap number = 1 >> panic: privileged instruction fault >> cpuid = 1; >> boot() called on cpu#1 >> >> syncing disks, buffers remaining... panic: pmap_invalid_range: interupts disabled >> cpuid = 1; >> boot() called on cpu#1 >> Uptime: 7m11s >> spin lock sched lock held by 0xc2957640 for > 5 secondsThank you!!! > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From ike Sun Nov 7 02:16:25 2004 From: ike (Isaac Levy) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:16:25 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] New box is killing me In-Reply-To: References: <001c01c4c47b$c0c9f920$4703a8c0@bestweb.net> <20041107055631.GA21830@bizintegrators.com> Message-ID: On Nov 7, 2004, at 2:04 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > Or go to something more recent. 5.2.1 is beta quality at best. Total agreement with that assessment. 5.2.1 had some show-stopping ATA/SATA driver bugs that I knew more pain with than I'd like to remember. > I believe 5.3 is now available. What type of raid controller are you > using? Go 5.3 at the very least. Rocket- .ike From dcasey Sun Nov 7 09:22:16 2004 From: dcasey (Dan Casey) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 09:22:16 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] New box is killing me References: <001c01c4c47b$c0c9f920$4703a8c0@bestweb.net><20041107055631.GA21830@bizintegrators.com> Message-ID: <001e01c4c4d5$2f645840$4703a8c0@bestweb.net> - "Hightpoint-tech RocketRaid 1640" - All 4 drives are 80G Western Digital SATA Yeah someone else mentioned that "C" column when running top was for HyperThreading and not actually 2 processors. During boot I see a line about SMP 2 CPUs, but now that I look above that it says "Hyperthreading: 2 Logical CPUs". Since my last message I've compiled a GENERIC kernel, but with the SMP line commented out. Now that "C" column is missing like I'm used to. Also when I shut down (or reboot) I don't get kernel errors. It gets past the syncing disks part without any errors (waits on 1 buffer 3 times), then continues. It gets up to the part where it says Uptime