[nycbug-talk] Noob networking question

[Brad Schonhorst]

On 7/21/06, Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote:
>
> On Jul 21, 2006, at 9:13 AM, Brad Schonhorst wrote:
>
> > On 7/21/06, Charles Sprickman <spork at bway.net> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006, Brad Schonhorst wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> If your macs are running 10.4 there is no reason to use
> >>>>> appletalk.  i
> >>>>> would suggest you disable it.  Bonjour is apple's 'replacement'
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> apple talk for zeroconf networking (finding that lost network
> >>>>> printer.)  Both Bonjour and AFP are using TCP/IP at this point
> >>>>> making
> >>>>> appletalk severely outdated.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Hi Brad,
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you suggesting nfs on the FreeBSD shared server and Bonjour
> >>>> on the
> >>>> clients ?  Not having looked at Bonjour at all, lets just say
> >>>> the name
> >>>> doesn't inspire much confidence ... :)
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I just re-read your original post and it looks like you are using
> >>> atalk for file sharing right?  Your right, Bonjour probably isn't
> >>> the
> >>> best solution for that situation.  Have you tried just using
> >>> NFS.  So
> >>> NFS on server, NFS on client?  These days, mac's can almost be
> >>> thought
> >>> of as unix boxes. You wouldn't use atalk to connect 2 freebsd
> >>> machines
> >>> right?
> >>
> >> Just to be clear, Bonjour/Rendezvous is simply for autodiscovering
> >> hosts
> >> and the services on them.  Some of those services may include file
> >> sharing
> >> services...
> >>
> >> AppleTalk file sharing is really the preferred way to be working
> >> here.
> >> Keep in mind that this does not mean using AFP over AppleTalk.
> >> AFP also
> >> runs over TCP, and that's what current OS-X uses by default.
> >>
> >> AppleTalk File Sharing != AppleTalk network protocol.
> >>
> >
> > Hey Charles, could you clarify this a bit?  What protocol does
> > AppleTalk File Sharing use?
>
> AFP, Apple Filing Protocol, is the protocol that Macs prefer to use
> for file sharing. Has very little to do with AppleTalk these days
> other than it's one of the few protocols that actually works over
> AppleTalk. TCP is the way to go.
>

I guess that was my question.  When referring to 'AppleTalk File
Sharing' are you speaking of AFP?  My understanding was that AFP used
to use Appletalk net protocol but now uses TCP port 548.

So does the atalk service provide appletalk service (like netatalk) or
AFP over TCP/IP or something else altogether?

> As said before, you definitely want to use bonjour/mDNS for
> announcing the service. Even if you did have some old Mac OS 9
> machines on the network, you'd still want to be using mDNS for the
> sake of the newer boxes.
>
> -bob
>
>