From bschonhorst at gmail.com Fri Jun 2 10:59:57 2006 From: bschonhorst at gmail.com (Brad Schonhorst) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:59:57 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] User Group Competition Message-ID: <7708fd680606020759w23290f8dp5ee3cf1961ec5724@mail.gmail.com> The BSD Certification Group is currently holding a User Group Competition to see who can up with the most effective way to raise money. Whoever comes up with the best method will receive $500 worth of O'Reilly books. Lets win this! Please send me your suggestions before the June 7th meeting so we can vote on the best submission to use for NYCBUG. Also, the user group that can raise the most money by June 18 will receive 2 full passes to BSDCan 2007 as well as a 15% discount to BSDCan 2007 to all who members who donate. We will be collecting donations at the next meeting. As you know, the BSD Certification Group has been working hard this year to lay the foundation for a systems administration certification for the BSD operating systems. At this point one of the biggest factors holding back progress is funding. Money needs to be raised to cover test development costs and a test delivery system. If you or your business benefits from the open source BSD operating systems, please consider making a donation. For more information on the User Group Competition see: http://www.bsdcertification.org/index.php?NAV=News&Item=pr026 See you Wednesday- Brad From pete at nomadlogic.org Fri Jun 2 15:41:18 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:41:18 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] rdiff Message-ID: <20060602194118.GQ33372@sunset.nomadlogic.org> got this nice looking tool of irc at usenix...yes, i know there are live people here, but for some reason i'm irc ;-) anyway, rdiff looks fun: http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/ allows you to do rsync style backups while leaving diff's at your backup target. seems kinda fun. a guy here also wrote an osX app to backup apple resource forks for Mail.app called mail appitizer...looking for link now, i'll post it later if folks are interested. -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From pete at nomadlogic.org Fri Jun 2 15:54:22 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:54:22 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] rdiff In-Reply-To: <20060602194118.GQ33372@sunset.nomadlogic.org> References: <20060602194118.GQ33372@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20060602195422.GR33372@sunset.nomadlogic.org> On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 03:41:18PM -0400, Pete Wright wrote: > got this nice looking tool of irc at usenix...yes, i know there are live > people here, but for some reason i'm irc ;-) > > > anyway, rdiff looks fun: > http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/ > allows you to do rsync style backups while leaving diff's at your backup > target. seems kinda fun. > > > a guy here also wrote an osX app to backup apple resource forks for > Mail.app called mail appitizer...looking for link now, i'll post it > later if folks are interested. > ok, i was smoking crack. mail appitizer is a completely different hack. it prints a popup when ever you get new mail, w/o having to open your Mail.app. rdiff is still pretty cool though ;) -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From af.dingo at gmail.com Fri Jun 2 19:35:08 2006 From: af.dingo at gmail.com (Jeff Quast) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:35:08 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] rdiff In-Reply-To: <20060602194118.GQ33372@sunset.nomadlogic.org> References: <20060602194118.GQ33372@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: > anyway, rdiff looks fun: > http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/ > allows you to do rsync style backups while leaving diff's at your backup > target. seems kinda fun. it was featured in last sysadmin magazine as well. http://www.samag.com/articles/2006/0605/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at sddi.net Sat Jun 3 10:15:25 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 10:15:25 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] interesting/useless stats from Google. . . Message-ID: <4481997D.2060407@sddi.net> This came up on FBSD chat. . . So I thought I'd contribute to talk. . . This compares the searches of freebsd, debian, redhat, openbsd, netbsd over a period of years. . . http://tinyurl.com/m3g32 I wouldn't draw any enormous conclusions from it. . . I mean, how often does the man command satisfy your quest for answers in the BSDs? The vast majority of my googling is for applications run on the BSDs, not BSD-related questions in themselves. As a side note, I find it amusing to google a problem and come back up with 'talk' results. . . g From pete at nomadlogic.org Sat Jun 3 10:29:36 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:29:36 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] interesting/useless stats from Google. . . In-Reply-To: <4481997D.2060407@sddi.net> References: <4481997D.2060407@sddi.net> Message-ID: <20060603142936.GX33372@sunset.nomadlogic.org> On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 10:15:25AM -0400, George R. wrote: > This came up on FBSD chat. . . So I thought I'd contribute to talk. . . > > This compares the searches of freebsd, debian, redhat, openbsd, netbsd > over a period of years. . . > > http://tinyurl.com/m3g32 > > I wouldn't draw any enormous conclusions from it. . . I mean, how often > does the man command satisfy your quest for answers in the BSDs? The > vast majority of my googling is for applications run on the BSDs, not > BSD-related questions in themselves. > > As a side note, I find it amusing to google a problem and come back up > with 'talk' results. . . > > g heh, that's funny point...err maybe sad. i tried doing a vanity google search on my name and google.com returned nothing. but google.com/bsd i'm the first hit...well atleast i show up in a corner case ;-) -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From o_sleep at belovedarctos.com Sat Jun 3 11:45:58 2006 From: o_sleep at belovedarctos.com (Bjorn Nelson) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:45:58 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] interesting/useless stats from Google. . . In-Reply-To: <4481997D.2060407@sddi.net> References: <4481997D.2060407@sddi.net> Message-ID: <70DF8FF8-3E4F-4A89-88C4-89E7E82BA7F5@belovedarctos.com> George, On Jun 3, 2006, at 10:15 AM, George R. wrote: > This came up on FBSD chat. . . So I thought I'd contribute to > talk. . . > > This compares the searches of freebsd, debian, redhat, openbsd, netbsd > over a period of years. . . Are there are any russian speakers on the list? Does Russia/Ukraine have a strong freebsd presence or is freebsd mean something else in Russian? -Bjorn From george at sddi.net Sat Jun 3 11:50:21 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:50:21 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] interesting/useless stats from Google. . . In-Reply-To: <70DF8FF8-3E4F-4A89-88C4-89E7E82BA7F5@belovedarctos.com> References: <4481997D.2060407@sddi.net> <70DF8FF8-3E4F-4A89-88C4-89E7E82BA7F5@belovedarctos.com> Message-ID: <4481AFBD.80507@sddi.net> Bjorn Nelson wrote: > George, > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 10:15 AM, George R. wrote: > >> This came up on FBSD chat. . . So I thought I'd contribute to talk. . . >> >> This compares the searches of freebsd, debian, redhat, openbsd, netbsd >> over a period of years. . . > > Are there are any russian speakers on the list? Does Russia/Ukraine > have a strong freebsd presence or is freebsd mean something else in > Russian? There are a good number. . Nikolai, Yarema. . . AFAIK, some of the heaviest BSD areas are in Japan (pc98-land) and eastern Europe, plus Turkey. . . g From alex at pilosoft.com Sat Jun 3 12:56:40 2006 From: alex at pilosoft.com (alex at pilosoft.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] interesting/useless stats from Google. . . In-Reply-To: <70DF8FF8-3E4F-4A89-88C4-89E7E82BA7F5@belovedarctos.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Bjorn Nelson wrote: > > This came up on FBSD chat. . . So I thought I'd contribute to talk. . > > . > > > > This compares the searches of freebsd, debian, redhat, openbsd, netbsd > > over a period of years. . . > > Are there are any russian speakers on the list? Does Russia/Ukraine > have a strong freebsd presence or is freebsd mean something else in > Russian? DA! ;) FBSD/Linux popularity in Russia is higher than in US. But it is still quite a bit less popular than loonix ;) From nikolai at fetissov.org Sun Jun 4 13:08:42 2006 From: nikolai at fetissov.org (nikolai) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] interesting/useless stats from Google. . . In-Reply-To: <70DF8FF8-3E4F-4A89-88C4-89E7E82BA7F5@belovedarctos.com> References: <4481997D.2060407@sddi.net> <70DF8FF8-3E4F-4A89-88C4-89E7E82BA7F5@belovedarctos.com> Message-ID: <58218.67.86.63.51.1149440922.squirrel@www.geekisp.com> > George, > > On Jun 3, 2006, at 10:15 AM, George R. wrote: > >> This came up on FBSD chat. . . So I thought I'd contribute to >> talk. . . >> >> This compares the searches of freebsd, debian, redhat, openbsd, netbsd >> over a period of years. . . > > Are there are any russian speakers on the list? Does Russia/Ukraine > have a strong freebsd presence or is freebsd mean something else in > Russian? > Yeh, directly translated to Russian FreeBSD means [Free] Windows Update. -- nikolai From george at sddi.net Mon Jun 5 12:31:20 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:31:20 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] this Wednesday's meeting Message-ID: <44845C58.3090902@sddi.net> As an FYI, the details on this month's meeting are online, and were just sent to announce. If you're not on announce, sub now, since we don't cross-post. I even feel guilty sending this. Please note that some future meetings, including this one, are at Suspenders, while others are at the Apple Store. . . The 'open forum' or 'open mike' type meetings will be held at Suspenders, and longer technical presentations will be at the Apple Store. Of course this will be indicated on the www site for each meeting. Additionally, NYPHPCon is offering a substantial 25% discount to NYCBUG members for the upcoming conference June 14-16th. George From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue Jun 6 12:14:46 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] brechstange (ssh key-db) Message-ID: <60086.160.33.20.11.1149610486.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> A while back there was a discussion regarding brechstange, which if I remember correctly is a ssh key-db that someone was working on (sorry can't remember the name of the dev.) I have a question, has this project made it to the 'net yet? if so is there a link i might check out? thanks! -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From md+nycbug at mailq.de Tue Jun 6 13:31:47 2006 From: md+nycbug at mailq.de (Mischa Diehm) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:31:47 +0200 Subject: [nycbug-talk] brechstange (ssh key-db) In-Reply-To: <60086.160.33.20.11.1149610486.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <60086.160.33.20.11.1149610486.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20060606173147.GA16974@mailq.de> Hi, On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 09:14:46AM -0700, Peter Wright wrote: > I have a question, has this project made it to the 'net yet? if so is > there a link i might check out? the problem is that they don't want to publish it unless some parts are redone more nicely. That said it needs some kicking to get 'em going. We'll see - most certainly not much going to happen during the world championship ... but i'll keep you up to date if things change. Mischa From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue Jun 6 13:36:53 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] brechstange (ssh key-db) In-Reply-To: <20060606173147.GA16974@mailq.de> References: <60086.160.33.20.11.1149610486.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <20060606173147.GA16974@mailq.de> Message-ID: <40889.160.33.20.11.1149615413.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > Hi, > > On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 09:14:46AM -0700, Peter Wright wrote: >> I have a question, has this project made it to the 'net yet? if so is >> there a link i might check out? > > the problem is that they don't want to publish it unless some parts are > redone more nicely. That said it needs some kicking to get 'em going. > We'll see - most certainly not much going to happen during the world > championship ... but i'll keep you up to date if things change. > > Mischa > > Lol I totally understand. I hope nothing much happens here during that time too ;) I think the shop I work for would be interested in checking this out. So if you need any testers or anything feel free to let me know. thanks! -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From dave at donnerjack.com Tue Jun 6 13:47:01 2006 From: dave at donnerjack.com (David Lawson) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:47:01 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] brechstange (ssh key-db) In-Reply-To: <40889.160.33.20.11.1149615413.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <60086.160.33.20.11.1149610486.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <20060606173147.GA16974@mailq.de> <40889.160.33.20.11.1149615413.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: On Jun 6, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Peter Wright wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 09:14:46AM -0700, Peter Wright wrote: >>> I have a question, has this project made it to the 'net yet? if >>> so is >>> there a link i might check out? >> >> the problem is that they don't want to publish it unless some >> parts are >> redone more nicely. That said it needs some kicking to get 'em going. >> We'll see - most certainly not much going to happen during the world >> championship ... but i'll keep you up to date if things change. >> >> Mischa >> >> > > > Lol I totally understand. I hope nothing much happens here during > that > time too ;) > > I think the shop I work for would be interested in checking this > out. So > if you need any testers or anything feel free to let me know. Yeah, I'd second that. I'm certainly interested in having a look at it and I've a feeling we'd be very open to deploying it, at least in a limited segment of our network, to see how it works out. --Dave From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com Wed Jun 7 11:49:20 2006 From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:49:20 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] dd-wrt Message-ID: <7215B74B-0FDD-4FD2-9F3E-FE3C01C2398D@2xlp.com> disclaimer: its linux has anyone played around with upgrading a $60 linksys to a dd-wrt ? docs: http://wrt-wiki.bsr-clan.de/index.php?title=What_is_%22DD-WRT%22%3F idiots guide: http://www.lifehacker.com/software/router/hack-attack-turn-your-60- router-into-a-600-router-178132.php at <$60 to set up, it looks pretty enticing From anthony.elizondo at gmail.com Wed Jun 7 13:45:12 2006 From: anthony.elizondo at gmail.com (Anthony Elizondo) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:45:12 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] dd-wrt In-Reply-To: <7215B74B-0FDD-4FD2-9F3E-FE3C01C2398D@2xlp.com> References: <7215B74B-0FDD-4FD2-9F3E-FE3C01C2398D@2xlp.com> Message-ID: On 6/7/06, Jonathan Vanasco wrote: > disclaimer: its linux > > has anyone played around with upgrading a $60 linksys to a dd-wrt ? > > docs: > http://wrt-wiki.bsr-clan.de/index.php?title=What_is_%22DD-WRT%22%3F > > idiots guide: > http://www.lifehacker.com/software/router/hack-attack-turn-your-60- > router-into-a-600-router-178132.php > > at <$60 to set up, it looks pretty enticing I've installed dd-wrt, but it was an older version and I did not use it extensively. I've tried quite a few of the WRT54G replacement firmwares: Wifi Box, Sveasoft, HyperWRT, and dd-wrt. I was looking specifically for one feature (SNMP monitoring) so I stuck with Wifi Box, since it was one of the first to offer SNMP. I may look back into dd-wrt if I start to need QOS... Flashing is a very simple process. About as hard as uploading a file through a web form. $600 is a bit of a stretch, though. With these firmwares you can really add quite a lot of functionality to a simple WRT54G, but they are still consumer-grade hardware. Anthony From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com Wed Jun 7 14:49:25 2006 From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:49:25 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] dd-wrt In-Reply-To: References: <7215B74B-0FDD-4FD2-9F3E-FE3C01C2398D@2xlp.com> Message-ID: On Jun 7, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Anthony Elizondo wrote: > $600 is a bit of a stretch, though. With these firmwares you can > really add quite a lot of functionality to a simple WRT54G, but they > are still consumer-grade hardware. yeah - they seem more like a severely limited $250 soekris (no internal card, not running a full distro, etc) i didn't know about the other consumer upgrades -- i'll check them out From tux at penguinnetwerx.net Wed Jun 7 16:56:05 2006 From: tux at penguinnetwerx.net (Kevin Reiter) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:56:05 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] dd-wrt In-Reply-To: References: <7215B74B-0FDD-4FD2-9F3E-FE3C01C2398D@2xlp.com> Message-ID: <44873D65.3000301@penguinnetwerx.net> Anthony Elizondo wrote: > On 6/7/06, Jonathan Vanasco wrote: >> disclaimer: its linux >> >> has anyone played around with upgrading a $60 linksys to a dd-wrt ? >> >> docs: >> http://wrt-wiki.bsr-clan.de/index.php?title=What_is_%22DD-WRT%22%3F >> >> idiots guide: >> http://www.lifehacker.com/software/router/hack-attack-turn-your-60- >> router-into-a-600-router-178132.php >> >> at <$60 to set up, it looks pretty enticing > > I've installed dd-wrt, but it was an older version and I did not use > it extensively. > > I've tried quite a few of the WRT54G replacement firmwares: Wifi Box, > Sveasoft, HyperWRT, and dd-wrt. I was looking specifically for one > feature (SNMP monitoring) so I stuck with Wifi Box, since it was one > of the first to offer SNMP. I may look back into dd-wrt if I start to > need QOS... > > Flashing is a very simple process. About as hard as uploading a file > through a web form. > > $600 is a bit of a stretch, though. With these firmwares you can > really add quite a lot of functionality to a simple WRT54G, but they > are still consumer-grade hardware. I'll dig out my notes from ShmooCon 2005 - Quigon and Sysmin did a demo with Sveasoft that was pretty good. The .pdf had some good notes in it if I remember correctly. From quigon at hacktek.com Wed Jun 7 18:36:31 2006 From: quigon at hacktek.com (QuiGon) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 18:36:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] dd-wrt In-Reply-To: <44873D65.3000301@penguinnetwerx.net> References: <7215B74B-0FDD-4FD2-9F3E-FE3C01C2398D@2xlp.com> <44873D65.3000301@penguinnetwerx.net> Message-ID: <448754EF.9080800@hacktek.com> Kevin Reiter wrote: > Anthony Elizondo wrote: > >> On 6/7/06, Jonathan Vanasco wrote: >> >>> disclaimer: its linux >>> >>> has anyone played around with upgrading a $60 linksys to a dd-wrt ? >>> >>> docs: >>> http://wrt-wiki.bsr-clan.de/index.php?title=What_is_%22DD-WRT%22%3F >>> >>> idiots guide: >>> http://www.lifehacker.com/software/router/hack-attack-turn-your-60- >>> router-into-a-600-router-178132.php >>> >>> at <$60 to set up, it looks pretty enticing >>> >> I've installed dd-wrt, but it was an older version and I did not use >> it extensively. >> >> I've tried quite a few of the WRT54G replacement firmwares: Wifi Box, >> Sveasoft, HyperWRT, and dd-wrt. I was looking specifically for one >> feature (SNMP monitoring) so I stuck with Wifi Box, since it was one >> of the first to offer SNMP. I may look back into dd-wrt if I start to >> need QOS... >> >> Flashing is a very simple process. About as hard as uploading a file >> through a web form. >> >> $600 is a bit of a stretch, though. With these firmwares you can >> really add quite a lot of functionality to a simple WRT54G, but they >> are still consumer-grade hardware. >> > > I'll dig out my notes from ShmooCon 2005 - Quigon and Sysmin did a demo > with Sveasoft that was pretty good. The .pdf had some good notes in it > if I remember correctly. > I'd send a link to it personally, but we're in the middle of switching hosting providers. Site should be back up shortly, and I'll have a newer version of our firmware ready to go in a couple weeks. From jschauma at netmeister.org Thu Jun 8 10:53:59 2006 From: jschauma at netmeister.org (Jan Schaumann) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:53:59 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] EuroBSDCon 2006 Message-ID: <20060608145359.GA15781@netmeister.org> EuroBSDCon 2006, the European BSD Conference will take place from November 10th - 12th 2006, in Milan, Italy. Hosted in the foggy northern Italy, the fifth EuroBSDCon aims at being a new successful chapter in the itinerant series of european BSD conferences. EuroBSDCon represents the biggest gathering for BSD developers from the old continent, as well as users and passionates from around the World. It is also a chance to share experiences, know-how, and cultures. 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URL: From pete at nomadlogic.org Thu Jun 8 11:38:27 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:38:27 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] fun one liners Message-ID: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> hey all, so i've been following a thread on the freebsd-stable@ list where a user was having problems finding which files are open by a given process. well...this lead to a lengthy discussion where everyone seemed to reply /usr/port/sysutils/lsof ;) although one guy posted this: % fstat | grep 'httpd.*/var ' | awk '{print $6}' | xargs -n 1 sudo find \ -x /var -inum | sort -u % now that's a fun oneliner i've been missing for a while, which leads to think: what other good oneliners do peep's on talk@ have lurking in their $HOME's.... -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From nycbug at cyth.net Thu Jun 8 11:44:52 2006 From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:43:52 -0401 Subject: [nycbug-talk] fun one liners In-Reply-To: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> References: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20060608154415.GE4979@syntax.cyth.net> On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 11:38:27AM -0400, Pete Wright wrote: > hey all, > so i've been following a thread on the freebsd-stable@ list where a user > was having problems finding which files are open by a given process. > well...this lead to a lengthy discussion where everyone seemed to reply > /usr/port/sysutils/lsof ;) > > although one guy posted this: > % fstat | grep 'httpd.*/var ' | awk '{print $6}' | xargs -n 1 sudo find \ > -x /var -inum | sort -u > % > > now that's a fun oneliner i've been missing for a while, which leads to > think: what other good oneliners do peep's on talk@ have lurking in their > $HOME's.... I frequently use: $ du -ks * 2>/dev/null | sort -n to find out which directories are hogging up the most space. -Ray- From pete at nomadlogic.org Thu Jun 8 12:28:53 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] fun one liners In-Reply-To: <20060608154415.GE4979@syntax.cyth.net> References: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060608154415.GE4979@syntax.cyth.net> Message-ID: <58308.160.33.20.11.1149784133.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 11:38:27AM -0400, Pete Wright wrote: >> hey all, >> so i've been following a thread on the freebsd-stable@ list where a user >> was having problems finding which files are open by a given process. >> well...this lead to a lengthy discussion where everyone seemed to reply >> /usr/port/sysutils/lsof ;) >> >> although one guy posted this: >> % fstat | grep 'httpd.*/var ' | awk '{print $6}' | xargs -n 1 sudo find >> \ >> -x /var -inum | sort -u >> % >> >> now that's a fun oneliner i've been missing for a while, which leads to >> think: what other good oneliners do peep's on talk@ have lurking in >> their >> $HOME's.... > > I frequently use: > > $ du -ks * 2>/dev/null | sort -n > > to find out which directories are hogging up the most space. > that's pretty good...here's a dumb one for systems without killall built in: kill -HUP `ps auxww | grep mozilla-bin | awk '{print $2}'| xargs` not that mozilla crashes frequently viewing java applets or anything ;) -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From pete at nomadlogic.org Thu Jun 8 14:21:05 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Tips for PostgeSQL on NetApp (NAS) Message-ID: <27616.160.33.20.11.1149790865.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Hi all, I'm helping build a PostgreSQL box and we will be storing our data on a NetApp 3200 head. The add is going to be for a DataWarehousing project we are doing, so I am thinking that most of the queries will be read's. We are planning on using ASYNC NFS mount's from the PostgeSQL node to the Netapp head. I was hoping that some of the postgresql guru's here had any other gotcha's or hacks I should look into when storing postges DB's on a NAS device. cheers, -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From anthony.elizondo at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 15:28:24 2006 From: anthony.elizondo at gmail.com (Anthony Elizondo) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:28:24 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] fun one liners In-Reply-To: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> References: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: On 6/8/06, Pete Wright wrote: > although one guy posted this: > % fstat | grep 'httpd.*/var ' | awk '{print $6}' | xargs -n 1 sudo find \ > -x /var -inum | sort -u That is indeed awesome. Although, you could optimize it by moving the sort after the awk, since it looks like httpd has lots of different pids accessing the same inode. I'm squirreling it away. Given a ip1.txt, a text file that has a list of ip addresses in it, the following will put them in order: awk -F. '{print $1*65536+$2*256+$3 " " $0}' ip1.txt | sort -n | cut -f 2- -d ' ' > sorted.txt Stolen from: http://articles.involution.com/clguide.html From md at mailq.de Thu Jun 8 15:30:44 2006 From: md at mailq.de (Mischa Diehm) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:30:44 +0200 Subject: [nycbug-talk] fun one liners In-Reply-To: <58308.160.33.20.11.1149784133.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060608154415.GE4979@syntax.cyth.net> <58308.160.33.20.11.1149784133.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20060608193044.GA22307@mailq.de> Hi, well don't know if interesting but once in a while i want to set me a alarm in shell scripts or just in the current shell so i use: trap 'echo PIZZA! | write mischa ttyp4' 14; sleep 10 && kill -14 $$ & or sth. like it... From lars at gmx.at Thu Jun 8 15:51:42 2006 From: lars at gmx.at (Lars Cleary) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:51:42 +0200 Subject: [nycbug-talk] fun one liners In-Reply-To: <20060608193044.GA22307@mailq.de> References: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060608154415.GE4979@syntax.cyth.net> <58308.160.33.20.11.1149784133.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <20060608193044.GA22307@mailq.de> Message-ID: <44887FCE.8000609@gmx.at> Mischa Diehm wrote: > Hi, > > well don't know if interesting but once in a while i want to set me a > alarm in shell scripts or just in the current shell so i use: > > trap 'echo PIZZA! | write mischa ttyp4' 14; sleep 10 && kill -14 $$ & > > or sth. like it... On FreeBSD 'leave(1)' could be your friend for that. From pete at nomadlogic.org Thu Jun 8 16:43:40 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] fun one liners In-Reply-To: References: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <12047.160.33.20.11.1149799420.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > On 6/8/06, Pete Wright wrote: >> although one guy posted this: >> % fstat | grep 'httpd.*/var ' | awk '{print $6}' | xargs -n 1 sudo find >> \ >> -x /var -inum | sort -u > > That is indeed awesome. Although, you could optimize it by moving the > sort after the awk, since it looks like httpd has lots of different > pids accessing the same inode. I'm squirreling it away. > ahh good point that'd probably be true for any daemonized process like httpd which is going to be sharing lot's of common data b/w themselves.... > Given a ip1.txt, a text file that has a list of ip addresses in it, > the following will put them in order: > > awk -F. '{print $1*65536+$2*256+$3 " " $0}' ip1.txt | sort -n | cut -f > 2- -d ' ' > sorted.txt > > Stolen from: http://articles.involution.com/clguide.html > heh nice..much better than the ugly perl one liners i use to do this ;) -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From george at galis.org Thu Jun 8 16:47:32 2006 From: george at galis.org (George Georgalis) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:47:32 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] fun one liners In-Reply-To: <20060608154415.GE4979@syntax.cyth.net> References: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060608154415.GE4979@syntax.cyth.net> Message-ID: <20060608204732.GF956@run.galis.org> On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 11:43:52AM -0401, Ray Lai wrote: >On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 11:38:27AM -0400, Pete Wright wrote: >> hey all, >> so i've been following a thread on the freebsd-stable@ list where a user >> was having problems finding which files are open by a given process. >> well...this lead to a lengthy discussion where everyone seemed to reply >> /usr/port/sysutils/lsof ;) >> >> although one guy posted this: >> % fstat | grep 'httpd.*/var ' | awk '{print $6}' | xargs -n 1 sudo find \ >> -x /var -inum | sort -u >> % >> >> now that's a fun oneliner i've been missing for a while, which leads to >> think: what other good oneliners do peep's on talk@ have lurking in their >> $HOME's.... > >I frequently use: > > $ du -ks * 2>/dev/null | sort -n > >to find out which directories are hogging up the most space. for that I use a "two line" function (bourne compatible), dusum, shows the cumulative sum and each file/dir size: dusum () { # sort $1 (defaults to $PWD) according to disk use, also show cumulative sum. [ -z "$1" ] && d="./" || d="$1" find "$d" -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -print0 \ | xargs -0 du -sk | sort -n \ | awk '{sum += $1; printf "%+11sk %+10sk %s %s %s\n", sum, $1, $2, $3, $4}' ;} Here's another function, for reversing octets ptr () { # reverse a dotted quad or subnet rev="`echo "$1" | cut -d\. -f1`.$2" ; ip="`echo "$1" | cut -d\. -f2-`" [ "$ip" = "$1" ] && echo "${rev}" || ptr $ip $rev ;} arpa () { # use ptr to reverse a network, and add in-addr.arpa [ -z "$1" ] && echo -n An ip address on the command line returns its\ echo "`ptr "$1"`in-addr.arpa." ;} and my all time favorite, dirper, show the perms of file $1 (or $PWD) and all the parent directories. (if you don't use Linux you can take out 3 lines) dirper () { # reveal dir permissions of "$*" or "$PWD" d="$*";d="${d#./}";[ -z "$d" -o "$d" = "." -o "$d" = "./" ] && d="$PWD" [ "`dirname "$d"`" = '.' ] && d="$PWD/$d"; case "`uname`" in Linux) ls -Ldl --full-time "$d" ;; *) ls -LTdl "$d" \ | awk '{printf "%-10s %+8s:%-8s %+8s %8s %2s %3s %s ", \ $1, $3, $4, $5, $8, $7, $6, $9}' ; ls -Ld "${d}" ;; esac ; [ "$d" = "/" ] && return || dirper `dirname "$d"`;} // George -- George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator < http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org From nycbug at cyth.net Thu Jun 8 17:14:30 2006 From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:14:30 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] fun one liners In-Reply-To: References: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20060608211453.GJ4979@syntax.cyth.net> On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 03:28:24PM -0400, Anthony Elizondo wrote: > On 6/8/06, Pete Wright wrote: > > although one guy posted this: > > % fstat | grep 'httpd.*/var ' | awk '{print $6}' | xargs -n 1 sudo find \ > > -x /var -inum | sort -u > > That is indeed awesome. Although, you could optimize it by moving the > sort after the awk, since it looks like httpd has lots of different > pids accessing the same inode. I'm squirreling it away. > > Given a ip1.txt, a text file that has a list of ip addresses in it, > the following will put them in order: > > awk -F. '{print $1*65536+$2*256+$3 " " $0}' ip1.txt | sort -n | cut -f > 2- -d ' ' > sorted.txt > > Stolen from: http://articles.involution.com/clguide.html Or: $ sort -t. -nk1,1 -k2,2 -k3,3 -k4,4 /tmp/random.ips -Ray- From nikolai at fetissov.org Thu Jun 8 17:25:11 2006 From: nikolai at fetissov.org (nikolai) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] June 2006 meeting audio Message-ID: <14418.63.66.6.15.1149801911.squirrel@www.geekisp.com> Recording of yesterday meeting is online. It's in two parts, before and after the break. Sorry for the delay ;) http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/ -- nikolai From mspitzer at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 17:25:20 2006 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:25:20 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] fun one liners In-Reply-To: References: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <8c50a3c30606081425o38693bd9m9b8288529008d33e@mail.gmail.com> On 6/8/06, Anthony Elizondo wrote: > On 6/8/06, Pete Wright wrote: > > although one guy posted this: > > % fstat | grep 'httpd.*/var ' | awk '{print $6}' | xargs -n 1 sudo find \ > > -x /var -inum | sort -u > > That is indeed awesome. Although, you could optimize it by moving the > sort after the awk, since it looks like httpd has lots of different > pids accessing the same inode. I'm squirreling it away. > > Given a ip1.txt, a text file that has a list of ip addresses in it, > the following will put them in order: > > awk -F. '{print $1*65536+$2*256+$3 " " $0}' ip1.txt | sort -n | cut -f > 2- -d ' ' > sorted.txt why not 'sort -n -k1,4 -t. ip1.txt' ? your answer will only order to a class C network, do you get signed int problems otherwise? real big hammer is to put it into postgres as an ip and do a sql select on it. marc > > Stolen from: http://articles.involution.com/clguide.html > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > -- "We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization." -Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD From pete at nomadlogic.org Thu Jun 8 17:29:15 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] fun one liners In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30606081425o38693bd9m9b8288529008d33e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <8c50a3c30606081425o38693bd9m9b8288529008d33e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39233.160.33.20.11.1149802155.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > On 6/8/06, Anthony Elizondo wrote: >> On 6/8/06, Pete Wright wrote: >> > although one guy posted this: >> > % fstat | grep 'httpd.*/var ' | awk '{print $6}' | xargs -n 1 sudo >> find \ >> > -x /var -inum | sort -u >> >> That is indeed awesome. Although, you could optimize it by moving the >> sort after the awk, since it looks like httpd has lots of different >> pids accessing the same inode. I'm squirreling it away. >> >> Given a ip1.txt, a text file that has a list of ip addresses in it, >> the following will put them in order: >> >> awk -F. '{print $1*65536+$2*256+$3 " " $0}' ip1.txt | sort -n | cut -f >> 2- -d ' ' > sorted.txt > > why not 'sort -n -k1,4 -t. ip1.txt' ? your answer will only order to > a class C network, do you get signed int problems otherwise? > > real big hammer is to put it into postgres as an ip and do a sql select on > it. > lol...only if you write a python web gui front-end to print those results into a pdf which can easilly be sent to lpr ;) -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From spork at bway.net Thu Jun 8 17:30:54 2006 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] fun one liners In-Reply-To: <20060608211453.GJ4979@syntax.cyth.net> References: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060608211453.GJ4979@syntax.cyth.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Ray Lai wrote: > Or: > > $ sort -t. -nk1,1 -k2,2 -k3,3 -k4,4 /tmp/random.ips Oh, that is badass. Combine with rancid and netmask and have a quick peek at what blocks might be available on a cisco router: for ip in `clogin -c "sh ip route 216.x.x.0" x-router | awk '{print $2}' | grep "^[0-9]" | sort -t. -nk1,1 -k2,2 -k3,3 -k4,4 `; do netmask -r $ip; done 216.x.x.0-216.x.x.31 (32) 216.x.x.32-216.x.x.47 (16) 216.x.x.48-216.x.x.63 (16) 216.x.x.64-216.x.x.95 (32) 216.x.x.96-216.x.x.103 (8) 216.x.x.104-216.x.x.111 (8) 216.x.x.112-216.x.x.127 (16) 216.x.x.128-216.x.x.135 (8) 216.x.x.136-216.x.x.143 (8) 216.x.x.144-216.x.x.159 (16) 216.x.x.160-216.x.x.175 (16) 216.x.x.176-216.x.x.183 (8) 216.x.x.184-216.x.x.191 (8) 216.x.x.192-216.x.x.223 (32) 216.x.x.224-216.x.x.255 (32) Charles > -Ray- > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From mspitzer at gmail.com Thu Jun 8 17:35:44 2006 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:35:44 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] fun one liners In-Reply-To: <39233.160.33.20.11.1149802155.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <20060608153827.GC74622@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <8c50a3c30606081425o38693bd9m9b8288529008d33e@mail.gmail.com> <39233.160.33.20.11.1149802155.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <8c50a3c30606081435k412aa1dauc6d7e4326f9a5622@mail.gmail.com> On 6/8/06, Peter Wright wrote: > > > On 6/8/06, Anthony Elizondo wrote: > >> On 6/8/06, Pete Wright wrote: > >> > although one guy posted this: > >> > % fstat | grep 'httpd.*/var ' | awk '{print $6}' | xargs -n 1 sudo > >> find \ > >> > -x /var -inum | sort -u > >> > >> That is indeed awesome. Although, you could optimize it by moving the > >> sort after the awk, since it looks like httpd has lots of different > >> pids accessing the same inode. I'm squirreling it away. > >> > >> Given a ip1.txt, a text file that has a list of ip addresses in it, > >> the following will put them in order: > >> > >> awk -F. '{print $1*65536+$2*256+$3 " " $0}' ip1.txt | sort -n | cut -f > >> 2- -d ' ' > sorted.txt > > > > why not 'sort -n -k1,4 -t. ip1.txt' ? your answer will only order to > > a class C network, do you get signed int problems otherwise? > > > > real big hammer is to put it into postgres as an ip and do a sql select on > > it. > > > > > lol...only if you write a python web gui front-end to print those results > into a pdf which can easilly be sent to lpr ;) > > -pete Its python I am sure there is a library to do just that. Is that a good thing I don't know marc -- "We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization." -Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD From jonathan at kc8onw.net Fri Jun 9 13:14:35 2006 From: jonathan at kc8onw.net (Jonathan Stewart) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:14:35 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apache 2 mod_auth_pam user 'XXXX' - not authenticated: authentication error In-Reply-To: <43E3C9FC.50609@kc8onw.net> References: <43E3C9FC.50609@kc8onw.net> Message-ID: <4489AC7B.5010402@kc8onw.net> Jonathan wrote: > I emailed the list about this a while back with the subject "Apache 2 > mod_auth_pam and DAV" without much luck. I've decided to tackle the > problem once again and have managed to I /think/ narrow the problem down > a bit more. > > I'm using mod_auth_imap2 for apache 2 from ports on FreeBSD and have > checked configurations everywhere I can. My apache conf has the > mod_auth_pam module loaded and enabled and I am using "require user > jonathan" my pam.d httpd file is simply >> #auth required pam_permit.so >> auth required pam_unix.so >> account required pam_permit.so > if I change pam_unix to pam_permit everything works except of course it > no longer matters what username and password I put in which defeats the > purpose of all this. DAV has nothing to do with it unlike I originally > thought. [snip unneeded stuff] I finally found what appears to be the answer :D I don't know how the heck I missed it before considering how old the message I found is but anyway just in case it helps someone now or someday. Apparently using pam_unix through mod_auth_pam requires having a uid of 0 because of a syscall pam_unix uses. Of course running apache as root is generally considered a rather poor idea so it looks like a combo of mod_auth_external2 and pwauth is what I will wind up using. I also found mod_authenticache which I will have to look into for things like DAV and SVN that do a *lot* of requests that require authentication. Here is the thread I found the answer in... http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-May/088561.html Hope this helps someone, Jonathan From george at sddi.net Fri Jun 9 14:43:56 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:43:56 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] PDA/cell phones. . . Message-ID: <4489C16C.6000905@sddi.net> Question for the list . . . I am in need of moving to a PDA-type cell phone device from Verizon soon. Needs include full direct pop email (nix blackberry), calendar and contacts, plus the ability to rsync and ssh from the device. Any noteworthy experiences to mention with the Treo's, VX6700 or similar devices. Would prefer not to run Windows Mobile, but will if forced to. Experiences with syncing to a BSD desktop, say, using Mozilla apps? thanks. . . g From mhernandez at ocsny.com Fri Jun 9 15:26:31 2006 From: mhernandez at ocsny.com (Michael Hernandez) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:26:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] this week's meeting Message-ID: Just wanted to take a second to say thanks to the nyc buggers for a nice meeting this week. It was the first meeting I attended and I didn't know what to expect. It was a fun time and I look forward to the next! Mike H From lists at genoverly.net Sat Jun 10 07:18:06 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:18:06 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] slash Message-ID: <20060610071806.1ab4ad70@*.wit.genoverly.home> http://bsd.slashdot.org/ BSD on slashdot is not a daily stop for me.. but.. yikes.. when did they change their skin? I'd hate so say it, but, it actually looks "nice". -- Michael From pete at nomadlogic.org Sat Jun 10 11:36:46 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:36:46 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] slash In-Reply-To: <20060610071806.1ab4ad70@*.wit.genoverly.home> References: <20060610071806.1ab4ad70@*.wit.genoverly.home> Message-ID: <20060610153642.GA84318@sunset.nomadlogic.org> On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 07:18:06AM -0400, michael wrote: > > http://bsd.slashdot.org/ > > BSD on slashdot is not a daily stop for me.. but.. yikes.. when did they > change their skin? I'd hate so say it, but, it actually looks "nice". > this sucks 'cause it means i've been paying too much attention to /. but...they had a contest to develop a new stylesheet for the site that just concluded. didn't think to check the bsd part of the site...not too bad. -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From mhernandez at ocsny.com Sat Jun 10 11:41:29 2006 From: mhernandez at ocsny.com (Michael Hernandez) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:41:29 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] slash In-Reply-To: <20060610071806.1ab4ad70@*.wit.genoverly.home> References: <20060610071806.1ab4ad70@*.wit.genoverly.home> Message-ID: <25430E77-7CB7-40A0-A675-0873E09AE78F@ocsny.com> On Jun 10, 2006, at 7:18 AM, michael wrote: > > http://bsd.slashdot.org/ > > BSD on slashdot is not a daily stop for me.. but.. yikes.. when did > they > change their skin? I'd hate so say it, but, it actually looks "nice". They had a contest for css redesign. That's the winning style. They announced the winner last week. (the design covers the whole site, they just changed the colors for the bsd section) Mike H From lists at genoverly.net Sun Jun 11 14:37:21 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:37:21 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] dhcp ntp Message-ID: <20060611143721.5404188a@*.wit.genoverly.home> I have set up my dhcp server at home to dole out "option ntp-servers" with each request for an IP. I'm hoping to have all the home nodes to sync their clock to my local time server. While I could have just hard coded the local address into each machine, I was hoping to have my laptop go 'local' when it is home then go 'global' (north-america.pool.ntp.org) when I'm on the road. I tested it with an OpenBSD laptop and it does not appear to use that setting, even thought I put it in the request section of the dhclient.conf. I assumed it would overwrite ntpd.conf like it does resolv.conf. This option even appears in dhcp-options(5) Is this just a "neat" feature that is not implemented in the dhclient? -- Michael From okan at demirmen.com Sun Jun 11 21:55:05 2006 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:55:05 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] dhcp ntp In-Reply-To: <20060611143721.5404188a@*.wit.genoverly.home> References: <20060611143721.5404188a@*.wit.genoverly.home> Message-ID: <20060612015505.GH22560@clam.khaoz.org> On Sun 2006.06.11 at 14:37 -0400, michael wrote: > I have set up my dhcp server at home to dole out "option ntp-servers" > with each request for an IP. I'm hoping to have all the home nodes to > sync their clock to my local time server. > > While I could have just hard coded the local address into each machine, > I was hoping to have my laptop go 'local' when it is home then go > 'global' (north-america.pool.ntp.org) when I'm on the road. I tested it > with an OpenBSD laptop and it does not appear to use that setting, even > thought I put it in the request section of the dhclient.conf. I > assumed it would overwrite ntpd.conf like it does resolv.conf. This > option even appears in dhcp-options(5) > > Is this just a "neat" feature that is not implemented in the dhclient? i don't believe it is implemented. consider using the script option in dhclient if you wish to trust the dhcp server you get ntp-servers. From lists at genoverly.net Mon Jun 19 11:56:46 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:55:46 -0401 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread Message-ID: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> Hello NYCBUG list subscribers, We are well into planning season for this year's New York City BSD Conference. One of the goals this year is to provide the content and speakers that you want to see most. To that end, we are asking everyone to participate in the planning of the conference by making suggestions. Here is your chance to voice your opinion. This year's central theme for topics is "BSD in Production". Some presentation topics may be: 1. afs in production 2. serial console mgmt 3. large data mgmt (large raid, nas, san, etc) 4. hands on kerberos for single sign-on 5. server/network usage and app monitoring 7. server/network security, best practices 8. zone mgmt in large installations 9. os patching mgmt in large installations This is just a 'starter' list. Vote for the ones you like. Add to the list yourself. On the flip side of this coin is, what speakers would most like to see? These do not have to, necessarily, be tied to one of the topics listed. Let us know! -- michael From stucchi at willystudios.com Mon Jun 19 13:04:39 2006 From: stucchi at willystudios.com (Massimiliano Stucchi) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:04:39 +0200 Subject: [nycbug-talk] EuroBSDCon 2006 - Milan, Italy Nov. 10th-12th Call For Papers Message-ID: <20060619170439.GC18893@willystudios.com> Dear all, Historically, Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) was one of the first reimplementation of the UNIX AT&T platform and it later became one of the key components of the Open Source movement. BSD has been the base for many different operating systems, most notably FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Darwin, and DragonFlyBSD, which are extensively used in many different areas like embedded applications, workstations and large Internet servers. The 5th European BSD conference is the 2006 event held in European continent where developers can meet, share new ideas and show off the progress of their work. It is also a great place for business players to get in touch with the BSD products and the people behind them. The conference comprises one day (Nov 10th) dedicated to tutorials and two days (Nov 11-12th) for technical sessions. *** Call For Tutorials *** In the first day different tutorial sessions will be held focusing on real-world scenarios and problem-solving. Tutorials will be conducted by speakers with a significative experience in their topics. If you're interested in presenting a tutorial, please contact the Program Committee at pc at eurobsdcon.org. *** Call For Papers *** The subsequent days will be dedicated to technical speeches about BSD related topics. Authors are invited to submit original and innovative papers about the applications, architecture, implementation, performance and security of BSD-derived operating systems. Topics of interests include but are not limited to: - Deployment and development of embedded BSD applications - System architecture and engineering - Network related development - Secure and safe coding techniques - Performance scalability issues - Porting to new/unsupported platforms - Operational and economical aspects Abstacts should be sent to papers at eurobsdcon.org before Midnight CET on July 31st, 2006. Abstracts should be at most 10 lines long in simple text format, with a small bio of the author(s) attached. Accepted proposals should send complete papers before October 15th, 2006 and give the organizers the permission to publish them in the proceedings of the conference. Final papers should be around 12 pages long, and may include pictures and diagrams. *** Schedule *** - July 31st: Proposals due by midnight, CET. - August 15th: Accepted authors are informed. - August 20th: Schedule is out, registration is open - October 15th: Camera-ready papers due For more info on the event, visit http://www.eurobsdcon.org Thanks -- Massimiliano Stucchi -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon Jun 19 13:17:57 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:17:57 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> Message-ID: <20060619171754.GA29182@sunset.nomadlogic.org> On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 11:55:46AM -0401, michael wrote: > Hello NYCBUG list subscribers, > > We are well into planning season for this year's New York City BSD > Conference. One of the goals this year is to provide the content and > speakers that you want to see most. To that end, we are asking > everyone to participate in the planning of the conference by making > suggestions. Here is your chance to voice your opinion. > > This year's central theme for topics is "BSD in Production". > > Some presentation topics may be: > 1. afs in production > 2. serial console mgmt > 3. large data mgmt (large raid, nas, san, etc) big +1 here. i'd especially like to see how others are using *BSD software to help with mangement of large NAS and SAN installations. i may be able to chip in a bit here as well... > 4. hands on kerberos for single sign-on +1 here too > 5. server/network usage and app monitoring +1, although i'm tired of maintaining this stuff at work ;) > 7. server/network security, best practices > 8. zone mgmt in large installations > 9. os patching mgmt in large installations > > This is just a 'starter' list. Vote for the ones you like. Add to the > list yourself. i'd also like to see something along the lines of programming in $LANG for sysadmins. was in an execellent Perl Guru session at Usenix this year and would like to see more in this area. As a sys admin i find i have less time to sit down and really soak in new languages, and having a talk geared towards how to use a lang in a sysadmin role would be helpfull i think... maybe we can ask David Blank-Edelman to come down (he's at North Eastern in Boston)? -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From lists at stringsutils.com Mon Jun 19 17:42:09 2006 From: lists at stringsutils.com (Francisco Reyes) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:42:09 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> <20060619171754.GA29182@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: Pete Wright writes: > i'd also like to see something along the lines of programming in $LANG > for sysadmins. was in an execellent Perl Guru session at Usenix this > year and would like to see more in this area. Agree. In particular would be great if the presenter could cover a few languages and tools which can be used. For example I think the following intros would be great for admins. -Perl -Python -awk/sed/cut/sort/uniq -Shell scripting Perhaps something along the lines of a cheat-sheet for admins in those languages/utilities. From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon Jun 19 17:58:51 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> <20060619171754.GA29182@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <48379.160.33.20.11.1150754331.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > Pete Wright writes: > >> i'd also like to see something along the lines of programming in $LANG >> for sysadmins. was in an execellent Perl Guru session at Usenix this >> year and would like to see more in this area. > > Agree. In particular would be great if the presenter could cover a few > languages and tools which can be used. > > For example I think the following intros would be great for admins. > -Perl > -Python > -awk/sed/cut/sort/uniq > -Shell scripting > > Perhaps something along the lines of a cheat-sheet for admins in those > languages/utilities. > > I like that idea, although I personally would like to see specific situations where perl, for example, was used as a tool to solve a problem (including anaylsis, which modules where used etc.). I think for the long term it's the process an admin goes through more than the specifics of the lang itself. Heck as long as it's not a talk about ruby on rail's i'll be happy (grumble...software dept hopping on the favor of the week...grumble...) ;-) -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From spork at bway.net Mon Jun 19 18:07:52 2006 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, michael wrote: > 3. large data mgmt (large raid, nas, san, etc) +10000 10. Techniques for managing more than a handful of *BSD servers: software installation, configuration management, OS updates/patches, etc. Charles > This is just a 'starter' list. Vote for the ones you like. Add to the > list yourself. > > On the flip side of this coin is, what speakers would most like to > see? These do not have to, necessarily, be tied to one of the topics > listed. > > Let us know! > > -- > > michael > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From lists at stringsutils.com Mon Jun 19 18:07:57 2006 From: lists at stringsutils.com (Francisco Reyes) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:07:57 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> <20060619171754.GA29182@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <48379.160.33.20.11.1150754331.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: Peter Wright writes: > I like that idea, although I personally would like to see specific > situations where perl, for example, was used as a tool to solve a problem > (including anaylsis, which modules where used etc.). I think it highly depends on the target audience. > I think for the long term it's the process an admin goes through more than > the specifics of the lang itself. This is why I thought of showing the basics on several, rather than one. Many admins may learn let's say perl and try to do everything with it. Just because it is the only tool they know off. By showing, mostly new, admins the different tools they can use perhaps they will better able to decide what they need to use for a particular problem. As an example: Say an admin has some data he needs to get from a log file. If all he knows of is perl he may try and learn how to read a file from perl or do re-direction.. then will have to figure out how to parse, etc... whereas the 'cut' utility may be all he needs. If he doesn't know it exists then he will be stuck trying to use the only tool he does know. Without knowing target audience level it's kind of hard to tell which approach may be better. However I think covering examples in several approaches in a sort of recipies way, may perhaps help more people. They basically can come out of the session with specific things to try. From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon Jun 19 18:11:07 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> <20060619171754.GA29182@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <48379.160.33.20.11.1150754331.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <14168.160.33.20.11.1150755067.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > Peter Wright writes: > >> I like that idea, although I personally would like to see specific >> situations where perl, for example, was used as a tool to solve a >> problem >> (including anaylsis, which modules where used etc.). > > I think it highly depends on the target audience. > > >> I think for the long term it's the process an admin goes through more >> than >> the specifics of the lang itself. > > This is why I thought of showing the basics on several, rather than one. > Many admins may learn let's say perl and try to do everything with it. > Just > because it is the only tool they know off. > > By showing, mostly new, admins the different tools they can use perhaps > they > will better able to decide what they need to use for a particular problem. > > As an example: > Say an admin has some data he needs to get from a log file. If all he > knows > of is perl he may try and learn how to read a file from perl or do > re-direction.. then will have to figure out how to parse, etc... whereas > the > 'cut' utility may be all he needs. If he doesn't know it exists then he > will > be stuck trying to use the only tool he does know. > > Without knowing target audience level it's kind of hard to tell which > approach may be better. However I think covering examples in several > approaches in a sort of recipies way, may perhaps help more people. They > basically can come out of the session with specific things to try. > > yea i guess you are correct, i was assuming we would be addressing a higher level audience. maybe not. -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From lists at stringsutils.com Mon Jun 19 18:14:44 2006 From: lists at stringsutils.com (Francisco Reyes) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:14:44 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> <20060619171754.GA29182@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <48379.160.33.20.11.1150754331.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <14168.160.33.20.11.1150755067.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: Peter Wright writes: > yea i guess you are correct, i was assuming we would be addressing a > higher level audience. maybe not. I am not sure we know the audience. In particular just because someone is a senior admin, it doesn't necessarily mean they have tried/played more than one approach/tool. From mspitzer at gmail.com Mon Jun 19 18:42:32 2006 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:42:32 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> Message-ID: <8c50a3c30606191542g6ea9fb5bp73bd90d627984be8@mail.gmail.com> On 6/19/06, michael wrote: > Hello NYCBUG list subscribers, > > We are well into planning season for this year's New York City BSD > Conference. One of the goals this year is to provide the content and > speakers that you want to see most. To that end, we are asking > everyone to participate in the planning of the conference by making > suggestions. Here is your chance to voice your opinion. > > This year's central theme for topics is "BSD in Production". > > Some presentation topics may be: > 1. afs in production > 2. serial console mgmt > 3. large data mgmt (large raid, nas, san, etc) > 4. hands on kerberos for single sign-on > 5. server/network usage and app monitoring > 7. server/network security, best practices > 8. zone mgmt in large installations > 9. os patching mgmt in large installations all good, how about: 1: DTRACE 2: NetGraph tutorial. 3: tk/tcl,startkits, removes the module upgrade ate my program issue. also how big will the time slices be? Some things may make more sence for shorter windows. > > This is just a 'starter' list. Vote for the ones you like. Add to the > list yourself. > > On the flip side of this coin is, what speakers would most like to > see? These do not have to, necessarily, be tied to one of the topics > listed. > > Let us know! > > -- > > michael > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > -- "We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization." -Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD From bschonhorst at gmail.com Mon Jun 19 19:30:31 2006 From: bschonhorst at gmail.com (Brad Schonhorst) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:30:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> Message-ID: <7708fd680606191630v466682a1nee297040014fbd03@mail.gmail.com> On 6/19/06, michael wrote: > Hello NYCBUG list subscribers, > > We are well into planning season for this year's New York City BSD > Conference. One of the goals this year is to provide the content and > speakers that you want to see most. To that end, we are asking > everyone to participate in the planning of the conference by making > suggestions. Here is your chance to voice your opinion. > > This year's central theme for topics is "BSD in Production". > Sounds great! > Some presentation topics may be: > 1. afs in production > 2. serial console mgmt > 3. large data mgmt (large raid, nas, san, etc) +1 - sounds interesting > 4. hands on kerberos for single sign-on > 5. server/network usage and app monitoring +1 Loved Michael Lucas's talk last year on netflow...maybe some snmp server monitoring or other net monitoring tools would be good. A 'tricks with tcpdump' would be cool too. > 7. server/network security, best practices +1 using BSD tools/solutions for net security would be interesting > 8. zone mgmt in large installations > 9. os patching mgmt in large installations +1 this would be great as well! Good list. > > This is just a 'starter' list. Vote for the ones you like. Add to the > list yourself. > 10. BSD's Packet Filter (its not just for Open anymore) -Brad > On the flip side of this coin is, what speakers would most like to > see? These do not have to, necessarily, be tied to one of the topics > listed. > > Let us know! > > -- > > michael > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From jeff.knight at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 09:04:00 2006 From: jeff.knight at gmail.com (Jeff Knight) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:04:00 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> Message-ID: <2ca9ba910606200604l9947da4w61228845978162ca@mail.gmail.com> Ya know, I've never been into the whole theme/track idea. At any conference I go to, I just cherry pick from the list of sessions that sound interesting to me irrespective of what track they are in. Do people really pay any attention? Do the beancounters that pay for the conferences think "well... I don't see a track with our company's buzzword du jour, so I'm not releasing the funding for that puppy"? And, since most conferences usually end up having to pad their tracks with a number of sessions that don't really fit anywhere, do tracks really do anything at all? On 6/19/06, michael wrote: > Hello NYCBUG list subscribers, > > We are well into planning season for this year's New York City BSD > Conference. One of the goals this year is to provide the content and > speakers that you want to see most. To that end, we are asking > everyone to participate in the planning of the conference by making > suggestions. Here is your chance to voice your opinion. > > This year's central theme for topics is "BSD in Production". > > Some presentation topics may be: > 1. afs in production > 2. serial console mgmt > 3. large data mgmt (large raid, nas, san, etc) > 4. hands on kerberos for single sign-on > 5. server/network usage and app monitoring > 7. server/network security, best practices > 8. zone mgmt in large installations > 9. os patching mgmt in large installations > > This is just a 'starter' list. Vote for the ones you like. Add to the > list yourself. > > On the flip side of this coin is, what speakers would most like to > see? These do not have to, necessarily, be tied to one of the topics > listed. > > Let us know! > > -- > > michael > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From jschauma at netmeister.org Tue Jun 20 10:07:01 2006 From: jschauma at netmeister.org (Jan Schaumann) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:07:01 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] EuroBSDCon 2006 In-Reply-To: <20060608145359.GA15781@netmeister.org> References: <20060608145359.GA15781@netmeister.org> Message-ID: <20060620140700.GB5286@netmeister.org> Jan Schaumann wrote: > EuroBSDCon 2006, the European BSD Conference will take place from > November 10th - 12th 2006, in Milan, Italy. It seems that the program committee is still missing a representative from OpenBSD. Apparently the organizers attempts to talk to OpenBSD people have not been very successfull. Is there anybody here on this list who might be willing to fill this slot? Mickey? -Jan -- ``Californians have gotten to the point of being completely intolerant of non-diversity.'' -- Larry Wall -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 186 bytes Desc: not available URL: From njt at ayvali.org Tue Jun 20 10:25:16 2006 From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:25:16 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: <7708fd680606191630v466682a1nee297040014fbd03@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> <7708fd680606191630v466682a1nee297040014fbd03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060620142516.GE12668@ayvali.org> * Brad Schonhorst [2006-06-19 19:30:31 -0400]: > > To that end, we are asking everyone to participate in the planning > > of the conference by making suggestions. > > 10. BSD's Packet Filter (its not just for Open anymore) I wholeheartedly second this recommendation. (Also, it may be implicit, but any talk on pf at this point should include info on altq as well.) Thomas -- N.J. Thomas njt at ayvali.org Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue Jun 20 11:33:09 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:33:09 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: <2ca9ba910606200604l9947da4w61228845978162ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> <2ca9ba910606200604l9947da4w61228845978162ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060620153306.GA38020@sunset.nomadlogic.org> On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 08:04:00AM -0500, Jeff Knight wrote: > Ya know, I've never been into the whole theme/track idea. At any > conference I go to, I just cherry pick from the list of sessions that > sound interesting to me irrespective of what track they are in. Do > people really pay any attention? Do the beancounters that pay for the > conferences think "well... I don't see a track with our company's > buzzword du jour, so I'm not releasing the funding for that puppy"? > And, since most conferences usually end up having to pad their tracks > with a number of sessions that don't really fit anywhere, do tracks > really do anything at all? > hey jeff, just a quick note. it's considered bad form to top post to this (and most technical) lists. i think it's generally considered a good thing to have some form of coherency between talks. sure we all tend to cherry pick between talks - especially at good conferences. infact i'd say that's a sign of a good conf. i dont' see how having a theme could be considered a bad thing either... -p > > > On 6/19/06, michael wrote: > > Hello NYCBUG list subscribers, > > > > We are well into planning season for this year's New York City BSD > > Conference. One of the goals this year is to provide the content and > > speakers that you want to see most. To that end, we are asking > > everyone to participate in the planning of the conference by making > > suggestions. Here is your chance to voice your opinion. > > > > This year's central theme for topics is "BSD in Production". > > > > Some presentation topics may be: > > 1. afs in production > > 2. serial console mgmt > > 3. large data mgmt (large raid, nas, san, etc) > > 4. hands on kerberos for single sign-on > > 5. server/network usage and app monitoring > > 7. server/network security, best practices > > 8. zone mgmt in large installations > > 9. os patching mgmt in large installations > > > > This is just a 'starter' list. Vote for the ones you like. Add to the > > list yourself. > > > > On the flip side of this coin is, what speakers would most like to > > see? These do not have to, necessarily, be tied to one of the topics > > listed. > > > > Let us know! > > > > -- > > > > michael > > _______________________________________________ > > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From lists at genoverly.net Tue Jun 20 11:46:38 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:46:38 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: <20060620153306.GA38020@sunset.nomadlogic.org> References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> <2ca9ba910606200604l9947da4w61228845978162ca@mail.gmail.com> <20060620153306.GA38020@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20060620114638.2b5ba0bf@wit.genoverly.home> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:33:09 -0400 pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) wrote: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 08:04:00AM -0500, Jeff Knight wrote: > > Ya know, I've never been into the whole theme/track idea. At any > > conference I go to, I just cherry pick from the list of sessions > > that sound interesting to me irrespective of what track they are > > in. Do people really pay any attention? Do the beancounters that > > pay for the conferences think "well... I don't see a track with our > > company's buzzword du jour, so I'm not releasing the funding for > > that puppy"? And, since most conferences usually end up having to > > pad their tracks with a number of sessions that don't really fit > > anywhere, do tracks really do anything at all? > > > > hey jeff, just a quick note. it's considered bad form to top post to > this (and most technical) lists. > > > i think it's generally considered a good thing to have some form of > coherency between talks. sure we all tend to cherry pick between > talks > - especially at good conferences. infact i'd say that's a sign of a > good conf. i dont' see how having a theme could be considered a bad > thing either... > > -p Pete, I agree that themes are a good thing. And cherry picking is our right [grin]. But I, like Jeff, always have a hard time when I want to catch 2 presentations going on at the same time. I'm not a fan of concurrent tracks. Specifically for NYCBSDCon, what do others think? -- Michael From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue Jun 20 11:50:45 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] gjournal Message-ID: <59276.160.33.20.11.1150818645.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> http://tinyurl.com/lzzg8 execellent. i think i'm going to start playing with this, anyone else had a chance to check it out yet? -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From jonathan at kc8onw.net Tue Jun 20 16:11:50 2006 From: jonathan at kc8onw.net (Jonathan Stewart) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:11:50 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] gjournal In-Reply-To: <59276.160.33.20.11.1150818645.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <59276.160.33.20.11.1150818645.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <44985686.7050608@kc8onw.net> Peter Wright wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/lzzg8 > > execellent. i think i'm going to start playing with this, anyone else had > a chance to check it out yet? Journaling for UFS, awesome! I may see if I can use my swap partition for this, with 2GB RAM I never use swap anyway :) Copying of large files is annoyingly slower it appears but it's not something I do that often that it would be a big issue at least. Jonathan From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue Jun 20 12:25:30 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] gjournal In-Reply-To: <44985686.7050608@kc8onw.net> References: <59276.160.33.20.11.1150818645.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <44985686.7050608@kc8onw.net> Message-ID: <54436.160.33.20.11.1150820730.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > Peter Wright wrote: >> http://tinyurl.com/lzzg8 >> >> execellent. i think i'm going to start playing with this, anyone else >> had >> a chance to check it out yet? > > Journaling for UFS, awesome! I may see if I can use my swap partition for > this, with 2GB RAM I never use swap anyway :) Copying of large files is > annoyingly slower it appears but it's not something I do that often that > it would be a big issue at least. > well the best, or most interesting part IMO, is the fact that this is GEOM class. meaning it is implemented below the file system layer. So we should be able to use this to enable journaling for other filesystems we may import later (or have already imported but do not have journaling enabeled i.e. ext3). but yes, very exciting stuff ;) -pete ps--> two good background links for GEOM http://phk.freebsd.dk/pubs/bsdcon-03.slides.geom-tutorial.pdf http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/Geom/ -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From jonathan at kc8onw.net Tue Jun 20 16:35:28 2006 From: jonathan at kc8onw.net (Jonathan Stewart) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:35:28 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] gjournal In-Reply-To: <54436.160.33.20.11.1150820730.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <59276.160.33.20.11.1150818645.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <44985686.7050608@kc8onw.net> <54436.160.33.20.11.1150820730.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <44985C10.3080700@kc8onw.net> Peter Wright wrote: > > well the best, or most interesting part IMO, is the fact that this is GEOM > class. meaning it is implemented below the file system layer. So we > should be able to use this to enable journaling for other filesystems we > may import later (or have already imported but do not have journaling > enabeled i.e. ext3). GEOM is pretty cool alright :) Thanks for the links I've never really looked into how it was architected I just new a lot of cool stuff has been done with it. I wish the modules where better documented at times but it's still nice. One downside I just noted is that it cannot be used for the root filesystem. Which means I can't use it because I do the "one big partition" thing. I tend to run myself out of space so often it makes it easier than trying to get everything to fit "just right" Jonathan From bschonhorst at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 13:09:10 2006 From: bschonhorst at gmail.com (Brad Schonhorst) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:09:10 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: <20060620114638.2b5ba0bf@wit.genoverly.home> References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> <2ca9ba910606200604l9947da4w61228845978162ca@mail.gmail.com> <20060620153306.GA38020@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060620114638.2b5ba0bf@wit.genoverly.home> Message-ID: <7708fd680606201009hdcb44a2wcc2c6223842c928@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/06, michael wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:33:09 -0400 > pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 08:04:00AM -0500, Jeff Knight wrote: > > > Ya know, I've never been into the whole theme/track idea. At any > > > conference I go to, I just cherry pick from the list of sessions > > > that sound interesting to me irrespective of what track they are > > > in. Do people really pay any attention? Do the beancounters that > > > pay for the conferences think "well... I don't see a track with our > > > company's buzzword du jour, so I'm not releasing the funding for > > > that puppy"? And, since most conferences usually end up having to > > > pad their tracks with a number of sessions that don't really fit > > > anywhere, do tracks really do anything at all? > > > > > > > hey jeff, just a quick note. it's considered bad form to top post to > > this (and most technical) lists. > > > > > > i think it's generally considered a good thing to have some form of > > coherency between talks. sure we all tend to cherry pick between > > talks > > - especially at good conferences. infact i'd say that's a sign of a > > good conf. i dont' see how having a theme could be considered a bad > > thing either... > > > > -p > > Pete, I agree that themes are a good thing. And cherry picking is our > right [grin]. But I, like Jeff, always have a hard time when I want to > catch 2 presentations going on at the same time. I'm not a fan of > concurrent tracks. > > Specifically for NYCBSDCon, what do others think? > I hate feeling like I am missing something by chosing to see one speaker. On the other hand, its not much fun to sit through a talk you care nothing about because there is nothing else to do. -Brad From spork at bway.net Tue Jun 20 16:49:20 2006 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSD Conference Message-ID: All, Quick question... I did check the site, but there's still info from last year up there. What will the date be this year? I'm getting married on 9/16, so I'm hoping it's not that weekend. :) Thanks, Charles From lists at genoverly.net Tue Jun 20 16:56:28 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:56:28 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSD Conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060620165628.6e5ba7b9@wit.genoverly.home> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Charles Sprickman wrote: > All, > > Quick question... I did check the site, but there's still info from > last year up there. What will the date be this year? > > I'm getting married on 9/16, so I'm hoping it's not that weekend. :) > > Thanks, > > Charles The date isn't firm yet. When we have that, then the new site will go up too. It is in the fall, possibly October. We will post it as soon we know. -- Michael From george at sddi.net Tue Jun 20 17:00:59 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:00:59 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSD Conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4498620B.8040203@sddi.net> Charles Sprickman wrote: > All, > > Quick question... I did check the site, but there's still info from last > year up there. What will the date be this year? > > I'm getting married on 9/16, so I'm hoping it's not that weekend. :) We were planning on Oct 6-8, but I guess now we'll have to change to Sept 15-17. You're really making things difficult Spork! ;-' g From nikolai at fetissov.org Tue Jun 20 17:18:25 2006 From: nikolai at fetissov.org (nikolai) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: <7708fd680606201009hdcb44a2wcc2c6223842c928@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> <2ca9ba910606200604l9947da4w61228845978162ca@mail.gmail.com> <20060620153306.GA38020@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060620114638.2b5ba0bf@wit.genoverly.home> <7708fd680606201009hdcb44a2wcc2c6223842c928@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46703.63.66.6.15.1150838305.squirrel@www.geekisp.com> > On 6/20/06, michael wrote: >> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:33:09 -0400 >> pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 08:04:00AM -0500, Jeff Knight wrote: >> > > Ya know, I've never been into the whole theme/track idea. At any >> > > conference I go to, I just cherry pick from the list of sessions >> > > that sound interesting to me irrespective of what track they are >> > > in. Do people really pay any attention? Do the beancounters that >> > > pay for the conferences think "well... I don't see a track with our >> > > company's buzzword du jour, so I'm not releasing the funding for >> > > that puppy"? And, since most conferences usually end up having to >> > > pad their tracks with a number of sessions that don't really fit >> > > anywhere, do tracks really do anything at all? >> > > >> > >> > hey jeff, just a quick note. it's considered bad form to top post to >> > this (and most technical) lists. >> > >> > >> > i think it's generally considered a good thing to have some form of >> > coherency between talks. sure we all tend to cherry pick between >> > talks >> > - especially at good conferences. infact i'd say that's a sign of a >> > good conf. i dont' see how having a theme could be considered a bad >> > thing either... >> > >> > -p >> >> Pete, I agree that themes are a good thing. And cherry picking is our >> right [grin]. But I, like Jeff, always have a hard time when I want to >> catch 2 presentations going on at the same time. I'm not a fan of >> concurrent tracks. >> >> Specifically for NYCBSDCon, what do others think? >> > > I hate feeling like I am missing something by chosing to see one > speaker. On the other hand, its not much fun to sit through a talk > you care nothing about because there is nothing else to do. > > -Brad Hey, then we can go outside and have a smoke! PLEASE, no concurrent tracks! I won't be able to tape them :) -- nikolai From trish at bsdunix.net Tue Jun 20 22:48:04 2006 From: trish at bsdunix.net (Trish Lynch) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSD Conference In-Reply-To: <4498620B.8040203@sddi.net> References: <4498620B.8040203@sddi.net> Message-ID: <20060620224741.H656@daemon.bsdunix.net> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, George R. wrote: > Charles Sprickman wrote: >> All, >> >> Quick question... I did check the site, but there's still info from last >> year up there. What will the date be this year? >> >> I'm getting married on 9/16, so I'm hoping it's not that weekend. :) > > We were planning on Oct 6-8, but I guess now we'll have to change to > Sept 15-17. > > You're really making things difficult Spork! > > ;-' > > g Keep me in mind for this year's ok George? -Trish -- Trish Lynch trish at bsdunix.net Ecartis Core Team trish at listmistress.org Key fingerprint = 781D 2B47 AA4B FC88 B919 0CD6 26B2 1D62 6FC1 FF16 From swygue at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 01:57:47 2006 From: swygue at gmail.com (swygue) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:57:47 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> Message-ID: On 6/19/06, Charles Sprickman wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, michael wrote: > > > 3. large data mgmt (large raid, nas, san, etc) > > +10000 > > 10. Techniques for managing more than a handful of *BSD servers: software > installation, configuration management, OS updates/patches, etc. > > Charles 10.1. I would like to see how people are using cfengine and subversion for configuration management. 10.2. FreeBSD Jumpstart via pxe,netboot,nfs, especially maintaining one install.cfg to support different hardware. 10.3 Starting a FreeBSD installation from windows boot.ini, grub or kickstart. -- swygue neron --->> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I agree, It would be great if each day has a team or more, like: Day One: Management & Operation 10 - 1pm Managing Multiple Servers 2 - 5 pm Operating in a mixed Environment Day Two: Sysadmin Scripting 10 - 1pm Shell Scripting 2 - 5pm Perl -- swygue neron --->> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If all he > > knows > > of is perl he may try and learn how to read a file from perl or do > > re-direction.. then will have to figure out how to parse, etc... whereas > > the > > 'cut' utility may be all he needs. If he doesn't know it exists then he > > will > > be stuck trying to use the only tool he does know. > > > > Without knowing target audience level it's kind of hard to tell which > > approach may be better. However I think covering examples in several > > approaches in a sort of recipies way, may perhaps help more people. > They > > basically can come out of the session with specific things to try. > > > > > > > yea i guess you are correct, i was assuming we would be addressing a > higher level audience. maybe not. > > -pete Please don't leave out Junior Systems Admins, or Admins from windows world, where there's no 'cut' utility. -- swygue neron --->> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The author's experience was comparable. Josh From lamolist at cyberxdesigns.com Wed Jun 21 10:44:01 2006 From: lamolist at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans Kaspersetz) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:44:01 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. Message-ID: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> I was wondering what the best way to delete lots of files is. Here is my problem, I have a mail box directory with 55K files in it. The file names are in the form: 1144126802.V411I59451aM517953.foo.com:2, They are semi squential. I would like to delete all the files in the 114* series. However, when I pass rm -f ./114*, I get to many arguments as an error. What I really want to delete is all files from before June. Ideas? Hans K From njt at ayvali.org Wed Jun 21 10:56:53 2006 From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:56:53 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. In-Reply-To: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> References: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> Message-ID: <20060621145652.GB17679@ayvali.org> * Hans Kaspersetz [2006-06-21 10:44:01 -0400]: > I was wondering what the best way to delete lots of files is. > > I would like to delete all the files in the 114* series. However, when > I pass rm -f ./114*, I get to many arguments as an error. What I really > want to delete is all files from before June. See find(1), xargs(1). You can use the -name "114*" arg for find to get all the 114* files or the "-mtime -16" to get the files before June (but also see the -newer option). Then just use something like "xargs -n 50 echo rm" (run with echo first to see what is to be deleted). I strongly suggest you learn find and xargs thoroughly, they are very useful tools. Thomas -- N.J. Thomas njt at ayvali.org Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo From mhernandez at ocsny.com Wed Jun 21 11:08:19 2006 From: mhernandez at ocsny.com (Michael Hernandez) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:08:19 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. In-Reply-To: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> References: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> Message-ID: On Jun 21, 2006, at 10:44 AM, Hans Kaspersetz wrote: > I would like to delete all the files in the 114* series. However, > when > I pass rm -f ./114*, I get to many arguments as an error. What I > really > want to delete is all files from before June. if you use a loop then rm will only get one argument at a time... for file in ./114*; do rm $file; done; could work.. unless the shell has some limit on args to a for loop? Mike From njt at ayvali.org Wed Jun 21 11:25:22 2006 From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:25:22 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. In-Reply-To: References: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> Message-ID: <20060621152522.GC17679@ayvali.org> * Michael Hernandez [2006-06-21 11:08:19 -0400]: > if you use a loop then rm will only get one argument at a time... > for file in ./114*; do rm $file; done; OP has *many* files in the dir in question. Deleting them using a for loop forks off a separate process for each invocation of rm. This is time consuming and unnecessary. xargs(1) is the way to go -- it was designed for this sort of thing. Thomas -- N.J. Thomas njt at ayvali.org Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed Jun 21 11:31:21 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:31:21 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. In-Reply-To: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> References: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> Message-ID: <20060621153118.GA42590@sunset.nomadlogic.org> On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 10:44:01AM -0400, Hans Kaspersetz wrote: > I was wondering what the best way to delete lots of files is. Here is > my problem, I have a mail box directory with 55K files in it. The file > names are in the form: 1144126802.V411I59451aM517953.foo.com:2, They > are semi squential. > > I would like to delete all the files in the 114* series. However, when > I pass rm -f ./114*, I get to many arguments as an error. What I really > want to delete is all files from before June. > use mutt ;) once logged in: ~T ~d 01/01/04-10/03/05 ~d -10/03/05 D this should do the trick, you can also use ~m 1-10 to delete a range of messages. -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed Jun 21 11:34:18 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:34:18 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> Message-ID: <20060621153418.GB42590@sunset.nomadlogic.org> On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 01:57:47AM -0400, swygue wrote: > On 6/19/06, Charles Sprickman wrote: > > > >On Mon, 19 Jun 2006, michael wrote: > > > >> 3. large data mgmt (large raid, nas, san, etc) > > > >+10000 > > > >10. Techniques for managing more than a handful of *BSD servers: software > >installation, configuration management, OS updates/patches, etc. > > > >Charles > > > 10.1. I would like to see how people are using cfengine and subversion for > configuration management. > this would be good, as i've been working on this for a while. although svn isn't in a default world so i'd use CVS ;) > 10.2. FreeBSD Jumpstart via pxe,netboot,nfs, especially maintaining one > install.cfg to support different hardware. > yea that would be a good topic as well. as an aside i'd like to see someone hack up Xcat to serve out *BSD images (www.xcat.org) > 10.3 Starting a FreeBSD installation from windows boot.ini, grub or > kickstart. could be interesting, although not neccessary if you have pxe setup correctly ;) all three of these topics could be covered in one lecture easilly as they are all parts of admin'ing a large site. -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed Jun 21 11:37:10 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:37:10 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> Message-ID: <20060621153710.GC42590@sunset.nomadlogic.org> On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 11:55:46AM -0401, michael wrote: > Hello NYCBUG list subscribers, > > We are well into planning season for this year's New York City BSD > Conference. One of the goals this year is to provide the content and > speakers that you want to see most. To that end, we are asking > everyone to participate in the planning of the conference by making > suggestions. Here is your chance to voice your opinion. > > This year's central theme for topics is "BSD in Production". > > Some presentation topics may be: > 1. afs in production > 2. serial console mgmt > 3. large data mgmt (large raid, nas, san, etc) > 4. hands on kerberos for single sign-on > 5. server/network usage and app monitoring > 7. server/network security, best practices > 8. zone mgmt in large installations > 9. os patching mgmt in large installations > > This is just a 'starter' list. Vote for the ones you like. Add to the > list yourself. > > On the flip side of this coin is, what speakers would most like to > see? These do not have to, necessarily, be tied to one of the topics > listed. > > Let us know! > based on some recent hell i've been through at work could we do a lecture titled: DBA's and the SysAdmins who Hate Them One a more serious note, have there been any offers for people to talk about RDBMS's? The postgresql talk was pretty good last year, I'd like to see more of that if possible... -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From alex at pilosoft.com Wed Jun 21 11:55:14 2006 From: alex at pilosoft.com (alex at pilosoft.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: <20060621153710.GC42590@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Pete Wright wrote: > based on some recent hell i've been through at work could we do a > lecture titled: DBA's and the SysAdmins who Hate Them *putting the ex-DBA hat on*: I can just as easily speak about "sysadmins and the DBA's who hate them", or "sysadmins and network geeks who hate them". The root of the problem is specialization and narrow knowledge of certain people (sysadmins, dbas, neteng, etc) - to be a good DBA you need to know a bit of sysadmin, and vice versa. Unfortunately, it is hard enough to find person who has enough clue to do *his* job. That's why people who have wide experience are so much more valued. :) > One a more serious note, have there been any offers for people to talk > about RDBMS's? The postgresql talk was pretty good last year, I'd like > to see more of that if possible... It's a BSD conference, so why talk about postgresql? I mean, I can't really think of many things in postgresql that are bsd-specific... From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com Wed Jun 21 13:14:04 2006 From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:14:04 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. In-Reply-To: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> References: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> Message-ID: <9DC4F9D0-20B8-41AE-BF46-A2EA9D4BC93F@2xlp.com> On Jun 21, 2006, at 10:44 AM, Hans Kaspersetz wrote: > I was wondering what the best way to delete lots of files is. Here is > my problem, I have a mail box directory with 55K files in it. The > file > names are in the form: 1144126802.V411I59451aM517953.foo.com:2, They > are semi squential. > > I would like to delete all the files in the 114* series. However, > when > I pass rm -f ./114*, I get to many arguments as an error. What I > really > want to delete is all files from before June. i tend to do that sort of stuff using python scripts in 2 minutes you can have a script that reads/validates all of the files you want deleted, and presents it to you with an 'are you really sure you want to delete these?' message | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | RoadSound.com / Indie-Rock.net | Collaborative Online Management And Syndication Tools | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From njt at ayvali.org Wed Jun 21 13:42:24 2006 From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:42:24 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. In-Reply-To: <20060621145652.GB17679@ayvali.org> References: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> <20060621145652.GB17679@ayvali.org> Message-ID: <20060621174224.GB26264@ayvali.org> * N.J. Thomas [2006-06-21 10:56:53 -0400]: > "-mtime -16" to get the files before June (but also see the -newer > option). A minor correction, for today (2006-06-21), "-mtime +21" is the correct switch to find files before June, "-mtime -16" would get you all files newer than 16 days ago. Sorry about the mistake. But for something like this: touch -amt 200606010000.00 foo find . ! -newer foo is more exact and is probably what the OP should use. /haven't yet had my first Red Bull of the day Thomas -- N.J. Thomas njt at ayvali.org Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo From fungus at aros.net Wed Jun 21 14:19:27 2006 From: fungus at aros.net (Lonnie Olson) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:19:27 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. In-Reply-To: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> References: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> Message-ID: <3D6FFE34-D0B8-4BEB-96F7-08083DAAF143@aros.net> On Jun 21, 2006, at 8:44 AM, Hans Kaspersetz wrote: > I was wondering what the best way to delete lots of files is. Here is > my problem, I have a mail box directory with 55K files in it. The > file > names are in the form: 1144126802.V411I59451aM517953.foo.com:2, They > are semi squential. > > I would like to delete all the files in the 114* series. However, > when > I pass rm -f ./114*, I get to many arguments as an error. What I > really > want to delete is all files from before June. The definitive replacement of `rm -f ./114*` with many arguments is simply this. find . -name "114*" | xargs rm -f with the caveat that it will descend into subdirectories. If you care... The reason your command didn't work is that your shell does the wildcard expansion before passing the arguments to rm. However there is a limit to the size of all arguments passed to a utility. This is where xargs comes in handy. It will read the standard input and execute the utility as many times as necessary with the maximum number of arguments. find is an extremely powerful utility. I suggest reading the man page for find. It has many other uses. --lonnie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2593 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nikolai at fetissov.org Wed Jun 21 14:44:05 2006 From: nikolai at fetissov.org (nikolai) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Conference Topics Thread In-Reply-To: References: <20060619115546.5100377c@openpad.genoverly.com> <20060619171754.GA29182@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <48379.160.33.20.11.1150754331.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <14168.160.33.20.11.1150755067.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <17990.63.66.6.15.1150915445.squirrel@www.geekisp.com> > On 6/19/06, Peter Wright wrote: >> >> >> > Peter Wright writes: >> > >> >> I like that idea, although I personally would like to see specific >> >> situations where perl, for example, was used as a tool to solve a >> >> problem >> >> (including anaylsis, which modules where used etc.). >> > >> > I think it highly depends on the target audience. >> > >> > >> >> I think for the long term it's the process an admin goes through more >> >> than >> >> the specifics of the lang itself. >> > >> > This is why I thought of showing the basics on several, rather than >> one. >> > Many admins may learn let's say perl and try to do everything with it. >> > Just >> > because it is the only tool they know off. >> > >> > By showing, mostly new, admins the different tools they can use >> perhaps >> > they >> > will better able to decide what they need to use for a particular >> problem. >> > >> > As an example: >> > Say an admin has some data he needs to get from a log file. If all he >> > knows >> > of is perl he may try and learn how to read a file from perl or do >> > re-direction.. then will have to figure out how to parse, etc... >> whereas >> > the >> > 'cut' utility may be all he needs. If he doesn't know it exists then >> he >> > will >> > be stuck trying to use the only tool he does know. >> > >> > Without knowing target audience level it's kind of hard to tell which >> > approach may be better. However I think covering examples in several >> > approaches in a sort of recipies way, may perhaps help more people. >> They >> > basically can come out of the session with specific things to try. >> > >> > >> >> >> yea i guess you are correct, i was assuming we would be addressing a >> higher level audience. maybe not. >> >> -pete > > > Please don't leave out Junior Systems Admins, or Admins from windows > world, > where there's no 'cut' utility. > And please don't leave out poor VB developers who never heard of BSD and don't know what command line looks like :) -- nikolai From mspitzer at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 15:11:22 2006 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:11:22 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. In-Reply-To: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> References: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> Message-ID: <8c50a3c30606211211k4c02e18am48ddfab7d46ef435@mail.gmail.com> On 6/21/06, Hans Kaspersetz wrote: > I was wondering what the best way to delete lots of files is. Here is > my problem, I have a mail box directory with 55K files in it. The file > names are in the form: 1144126802.V411I59451aM517953.foo.com:2, They > are semi squential. > > I would like to delete all the files in the 114* series. However, when > I pass rm -f ./114*, I get to many arguments as an error. What I really > want to delete is all files from before June. > your problem is your shell has issues with long lists of files. 1: try a different shell 2: use a loop: for i in $(ls |grep ^114) ; do echo $i rm $i done pipe the grep output through fmt, I prefer par, to cut down on the number of processes created created if desired(remember to set IFS to \n to make this work and then set it back) 3: use the ksh $( ) bits to set up an input stream instead of expanding im place for input xargs may give you the same line too long error, it has happened to me on occasion, or it may work fine. I had problems on solaris with it a while ago. you could also write a script. marc > Ideas? > Hans K > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > -- "We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization." -Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD From njt at ayvali.org Wed Jun 21 15:22:22 2006 From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:22:22 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30606211211k4c02e18am48ddfab7d46ef435@mail.gmail.com> References: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> <8c50a3c30606211211k4c02e18am48ddfab7d46ef435@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060621192222.GE26264@ayvali.org> * Marc Spitzer [2006-06-21 15:11:22 -0400]: > xargs may give you the same line too long error, it has happened to me > on occasion, or it may work fine. I had problems on solaris with it a > while ago. I get it occasionally as well, on a FreeBSD machine (IIRC). Using the -n option is the fix. Thomas -- N.J. Thomas njt at ayvali.org Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo From okan at demirmen.com Wed Jun 21 15:24:02 2006 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:24:02 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30606211211k4c02e18am48ddfab7d46ef435@mail.gmail.com> References: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> <8c50a3c30606211211k4c02e18am48ddfab7d46ef435@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060621192402.GH21926@clam.khaoz.org> On Wed 2006.06.21 at 15:11 -0400, Marc Spitzer wrote: > xargs may give you the same line too long error, it has happened to me > on occasion, or it may work fine. I had problems on solaris with it a > while ago. depends on which xargs you used in solaris. and i imagine the OP has all the solutions he needs to make his decision, so i won't polute this thread anymore. From george at galis.org Wed Jun 21 16:41:02 2006 From: george at galis.org (George Georgalis) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:41:02 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. In-Reply-To: <20060621174224.GB26264@ayvali.org> References: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> <20060621145652.GB17679@ayvali.org> <20060621174224.GB26264@ayvali.org> Message-ID: <20060621204102.GD18895@run.galis.org> On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 01:42:24PM -0400, N.J. Thomas wrote: >* N.J. Thomas [2006-06-21 10:56:53 -0400]: >> "-mtime -16" to get the files before June (but also see the -newer >> option). > >A minor correction, for today (2006-06-21), "-mtime +21" is the correct >switch to find files before June, "-mtime -16" would get you all files >newer than 16 days ago. Sorry about the mistake. > >But for something like this: > > touch -amt 200606010000.00 foo > find . ! -newer foo > >is more exact and is probably what the OP should use. Well now I think I know what the OP is up to.... I have lots of lines like this in my crontab 00 4 * * * d=openvpn ; find ~/Mail/${d} -type f -mtime +21 -exec mv \{\} ~/Mail/${d}.old/cur/ \; 30 4 * * * d=openvpn.old ; find ~/Mail/${d} -type f -mtime +84 -exec rm \{\} \; The first one trims down my openvpn mailbox by moving messages older than 21 days to openvpn.old (prepared when I created the crontab line). The second line drops messages older that 84 days from my openvpn.old mailbox (which mutt doesn't check but which I can look in if I want/need). Different list have different cutoffs so my mailboxes remain at reasonable size. Yeah I should probably use safecat or some such vs mv, but I'm not too worried. // George -- George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator < From lamolist at cyberxdesigns.com Wed Jun 21 17:02:32 2006 From: lamolist at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans Kaspersetz) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:02:32 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. In-Reply-To: <20060621145652.GB17679@ayvali.org> References: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> <20060621145652.GB17679@ayvali.org> Message-ID: <4499B3E8.9020804@cyberxdesigns.com> Thanks for the guidance. xargs is working nicely. Thanks, Hans N.J. Thomas wrote: > * Hans Kaspersetz [2006-06-21 10:44:01 -0400]: > >> I was wondering what the best way to delete lots of files is. >> >> I would like to delete all the files in the 114* series. However, when >> I pass rm -f ./114*, I get to many arguments as an error. What I really >> want to delete is all files from before June. >> > > See find(1), xargs(1). > > You can use the -name "114*" arg for find to get all the 114* files or > the "-mtime -16" to get the files before June (but also see the -newer > option). > > Then just use something like "xargs -n 50 echo rm" (run with echo first > to see what is to be deleted). > > I strongly suggest you learn find and xargs thoroughly, they are very > useful tools. > > Thomas > > From huyslogic at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 10:00:53 2006 From: huyslogic at gmail.com (Huy Ton That) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:00:53 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] SSH Login Slow & Samba Drive Slowdown Message-ID: <1cac28080606220700v429bd4dfie863b0617c41cdec@mail.gmail.com> Hey all, I implemented a samba fileserver; the users are complaining that network drives have recently started to slow down and I have noticed this as well -- It is weird because things were working great for a while. Whenever I try to login via SSH with putty, I'll get some delay, a long pause after I enter in my id, then another long pause as it authenticates the pw. I have a new domain controller @ 192.168.0.6 I realized I didn't have the IP address in the hosts file on the bsd system which I just added (do I have to reboot for this) thinking this may have been an problem. I'm running samba 3.0.22 Any insight? I've noticed that whenever I don't have any lag logging in via ssh, there is no network share lag either. I'm stumped... -Huy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at genoverly.net Thu Jun 22 10:21:23 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:21:23 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] SSH Login Slow & Samba Drive Slowdown In-Reply-To: <1cac28080606220700v429bd4dfie863b0617c41cdec@mail.gmail.com> References: <1cac28080606220700v429bd4dfie863b0617c41cdec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060622102123.611d092a@wit.genoverly.home> On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:00:53 -0400 "Huy Ton That" wrote: > Hey all, I implemented a samba fileserver; the users are complaining > that network drives have recently started to slow down and I have > noticed this as well -- It is weird because things were working great > for a while. Whenever I try to login via SSH with putty, I'll get > some delay, a long pause after I enter in my id, then another long > pause as it authenticates the pw. > > I have a new domain controller @ 192.168.0.6 > I realized I didn't have the IP address in the hosts file on the bsd > system which I just added (do I have to reboot for this) thinking > this may have been an problem. > > I'm running samba 3.0.22 > > > Any insight? I've noticed that whenever I don't have any lag logging > in via ssh, there is no network share lag either. I'm stumped... > > -Huy for me, long delays in ssh logons usually pointed back to dns in some way.. I'd start my search there. Is everyone in dns? Is everyone resolving correctly? etc.. and no, host file changes do not require reboot. -- Michael From huyslogic at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 10:38:47 2006 From: huyslogic at gmail.com (Huy Ton That) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:38:47 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] SSH Login Slow & Samba Drive Slowdown In-Reply-To: <20060622102123.611d092a@wit.genoverly.home> References: <1cac28080606220700v429bd4dfie863b0617c41cdec@mail.gmail.com> <20060622102123.611d092a@wit.genoverly.home> Message-ID: <1cac28080606220738v3ba87440x105904c7b76eb84d@mail.gmail.com> YES!!!!! I am quite elated. I updated the resolv.conf file, hosts file, and reverse dns issues on another one of my machines. SSH login is fixed and everything is blazing fast. Thanks for the fast reply Michael. On 6/22/06, michael wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:00:53 -0400 > "Huy Ton That" wrote: > > > Hey all, I implemented a samba fileserver; the users are complaining > > that network drives have recently started to slow down and I have > > noticed this as well -- It is weird because things were working great > > for a while. Whenever I try to login via SSH with putty, I'll get > > some delay, a long pause after I enter in my id, then another long > > pause as it authenticates the pw. > > > > I have a new domain controller @ 192.168.0.6 > > I realized I didn't have the IP address in the hosts file on the bsd > > system which I just added (do I have to reboot for this) thinking > > this may have been an problem. > > > > I'm running samba 3.0.22 > > > > > > Any insight? I've noticed that whenever I don't have any lag logging > > in via ssh, there is no network share lag either. I'm stumped... > > > > -Huy > > for me, long delays in ssh logons usually pointed back to dns in some > way.. I'd start my search there. Is everyone in dns? Is everyone > resolving correctly? etc.. > > and no, host file changes do not require reboot. > > -- > > Michael > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for the fast > reply Michael. > > On 6/22/06, michael wrote: > > > > On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:00:53 -0400 > > "Huy Ton That" wrote: > > > > > Hey all, I implemented a samba fileserver; the users are > > > complaining that network drives have recently started to slow > > > down and I have noticed this as well -- It is weird because > > > things were working great for a while. Whenever I try to login > > > via SSH with putty, I'll get some delay, a long pause after I > > > enter in my id, then another long pause as it authenticates the > > > pw. > > > > > > I have a new domain controller @ 192.168.0.6 > > > I realized I didn't have the IP address in the hosts file on the > > > bsd system which I just added (do I have to reboot for this) > > > thinking this may have been an problem. > > > > > > I'm running samba 3.0.22 > > > > > > > > > Any insight? I've noticed that whenever I don't have any lag > > > logging in via ssh, there is no network share lag either. I'm > > > stumped... > > > > > > -Huy > > > > for me, long delays in ssh logons usually pointed back to dns in > > some way.. I'd start my search there. Is everyone in dns? Is > > everyone resolving correctly? etc.. > > > > and no, host file changes do not require reboot. > > > > -- > > > > Michael Hey, I'm glad it worked out for you. Side note.. here's a link to our informal list guidelines.. http://nycbug.org/index.php?NAV=MailingLists We politely request no top posting (number 4). -- Michael From swygue at gmail.com Fri Jun 23 16:25:01 2006 From: swygue at gmail.com (swygue) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:25:01 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Sama Kerberos Proxy Message-ID: I am interested it setting up a samba box as proxy between my FreeBSD servers and Active Directory to provide kerberoize logins. And I am interested in how other's implented a single sign-on enviroment by way of Microsoft Active Directory. -- swygue neron --->> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com Fri Jun 23 17:14:31 2006 From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (Josh McCormack) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:14:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] hardware give & take Message-ID: I listed some motherboards I'd like to give away or get parts to attach to on my blog. Anyone who wants to give or take hardware is welcome to comment on the post and maybe we can all clean up our junk piles a bit and get some functional machines out of it. I'll add some more hardware soon. If I could clean out my pile of stuff and get something I'd actually used, I'd be overjoyed. Equipment valued at amounts comparable to the 'take a penny, leave a penny' in all probability. Here's the link: http://www.afterboot.com I'm not doing this through freecycle or something b/c I thought it would be fun for people to offer stuff that looks like it could be useful in conjunction with other equipment available. I traded some hardware with someone on this list before and it worked out great for me, at least (not sure how his experience was). Thanks, Josh From jlam at pkgsrc.org Fri Jun 23 17:33:19 2006 From: jlam at pkgsrc.org (Johnny Lam) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:33:19 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Sama Kerberos Proxy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <449C5E1F.4060504@pkgsrc.org> swygue wrote: > I am interested it setting up a samba box as proxy between my FreeBSD > servers and Active Directory to provide kerberoize logins. And I am > interested in how other's implented a single sign-on enviroment by way > of Microsoft Active Directory. You don't need a Samba box at all. Just add the services (e.g. host, imap, smtp, etc.) running on your FreeBSD box to your Active Directory domain. The O'Reilly Kerberos book by Jason Garman is a good resource for this type of mixed environment and has step-by-step examples on how to do this. Then just kinit to get your tickets and start Kerberizing your services. Alternatively, you can fully integrate your FreeBSD server into your Active Directory by installing Samba and using pam_winbind and nss_winbind. Then the Active Directory becomes the centralized management point for users and groups (no need to replicate the logins in /etc/passwd on your FreeBSD box), and you can PAMify all of your services. It's not single-sign-on because using PAM will still require you to enter a password for each service you use, but your Windows and FreeBSD boxes will all share the same users and passwords. I do both of the above in production with all software installed from pkgsrc, though I use NetBSD of course ;-) Cheers, -- Johnny Lam From marco at metm.org Fri Jun 23 18:45:21 2006 From: marco at metm.org (Marco Scoffier) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:45:21 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Hardware annoyance Message-ID: <20060623224521.GL24095@ns.metm.org> I have a server, which has been solid for years (yes years) I put it into a colo and it has started randomly powering off, yes completely off. When I reboot the machine after one of these poweroffs the BIOS will get to where it initializes the Mylex Raid card (dac1100?) and then powers off again. If I unplug the RAID card the BIOS will complete its diagnostics until when it finds no system disk, no PXE boot etc. So I unplug the machine, put the Raid card back in its slot. Reboot and everything is ok. RAID is fine sychronized everything. I finish the boot and everything comes up ok, mlxcontrol (FreeBSD 6.1) shows everything is hunky dork. Basically I went through all the pulling the card, and rebooting stuff 5 days ago, ran memtest and crossed my fingers that I had fixed the hardware voodoo (perhaps something had wiggled and gotten unseated when I moved the server to the colo). Today the server is off again. So I plan on going to the colo, removing the raid card and reinstalling a geom RAID straight on one of the SCSI channels. Is there something else I should check? I wiggled the power cord and power connections this did not cause the server to power off. Could there be another reason for the mysterious power-offs? Thanks, -- Marco From okan at demirmen.com Fri Jun 23 18:54:55 2006 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:54:55 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Hardware annoyance In-Reply-To: <20060623224521.GL24095@ns.metm.org> References: <20060623224521.GL24095@ns.metm.org> Message-ID: <20060623225455.GZ21926@clam.khaoz.org> On Fri 2006.06.23 at 18:45 -0400, Marco Scoffier wrote: > Could there be another reason for the mysterious power-offs? heat? any sensors on the motherboard? From marco at metm.org Fri Jun 23 19:08:47 2006 From: marco at metm.org (Marco Scoffier) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:08:47 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Hardware annoyance In-Reply-To: <20060623225455.GZ21926@clam.khaoz.org> References: <20060623224521.GL24095@ns.metm.org> <20060623225455.GZ21926@clam.khaoz.org> Message-ID: <20060623230847.GN24095@ns.metm.org> On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 06:54:55PM -0400, Okan Demirmen wrote: >On Fri 2006.06.23 at 18:45 -0400, Marco Scoffier wrote: >> Could there be another reason for the mysterious power-offs? > >heat? any sensors on the motherboard? The colo is well powered and has good AC. I'll have to check on the sensors. -- Marco From netmantej at gmail.com Fri Jun 23 22:58:17 2006 From: netmantej at gmail.com (tim jacques) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:58:17 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Hardware annoyance In-Reply-To: <20060623224521.GL24095@ns.metm.org> References: <20060623224521.GL24095@ns.metm.org> Message-ID: <1aa60f4d0606231958x738080a4vf2807e826e1c23bc@mail.gmail.com> On 6/23/06, Marco Scoffier wrote: > > I have a server, which has been solid for years (yes years) > > I put it into a colo and it has started randomly powering off, > yes completely off. > > When I reboot the machine after one of these poweroffs the BIOS will get > to where it initializes the Mylex Raid card (dac1100?) and then powers > off again. > > If I unplug the RAID card the BIOS will complete its diagnostics until > when it finds no system disk, no PXE boot etc. So I unplug the machine, > put the Raid card back in its slot. Reboot and everything is ok. RAID > is fine sychronized everything. > > I finish the boot and everything comes up ok, mlxcontrol (FreeBSD 6.1) > shows everything is hunky dork. Basically I went through all the > pulling the card, and rebooting stuff 5 days ago, ran memtest and > crossed my fingers that I had fixed the hardware voodoo (perhaps > something had wiggled and gotten unseated when I moved the server > to the colo). > > Today the server is off again. So I plan on going to the colo, > removing the raid card and reinstalling a geom RAID straight on one of > the SCSI channels. > > Is there something else I should check? I wiggled the power cord and > power connections this did not cause the server to power off. > > Could there be another reason for the mysterious power-offs? > > Thanks, > > -- > Marco > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > Good afternoon everyone. I had a box that ( after moving it ) displayed similar symptoms. It would lock up during the post at one piece of hardware. I removed that piece of hardware, then it would lock at another piece of hardware. Sometimes it would lock at different parts of the post without changing any hardware. When it actually made it through the post, it would lock somewhere in the boot/os load process. A few times it successfully booted and loaded, only to lock in an application. An intermittent ghost in the machine. The box is a tower with a slot processor (P3). I removed the processor and reinstalled it in the slot. The box has been rock solid since. Apparently the bouncing around from the move backed it out just enough. Good luck. tim.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yusuke at cs.nyu.edu Fri Jun 23 23:33:31 2006 From: yusuke at cs.nyu.edu (Yusuke Shinyama) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:33:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Hardware annoyance In-Reply-To: <20060623224521.GL24095@ns.metm.org> References: <20060623224521.GL24095@ns.metm.org> Message-ID: <20060624033331.6026.35791.yusuke@mango.cs.nyu.edu> Marco Scoffier wrote: > I have a server, which has been solid for years (yes years) > > I put it into a colo and it has started randomly powering off, > yes completely off. I had a similar case. The machine powered off after a while after booting. First I thought this was a memory problem, so ran memtest and found it always shuts down at a certain point in the test, which tempted me to believe this is real. But after replacing the memories, the problem still persisted. Actually, I even asked this in nylug list: http://www.nylug.org/pipermail/nylug-talk/2006-February/029279.html Then I was almost giving up the machine. But a week after or so, I found that the buckle of a heatsink was loosened, and it was not tightly attached to the processor. This caused the processor heated too much when the processor load exceeds a certain amount, which leads it to the sudden death. After having the buckle lever firmly pressed down, the machine runs perfectly fine. Yusuke From marco at metm.org Sat Jun 24 12:32:13 2006 From: marco at metm.org (Marco Scoffier) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:32:13 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Hardware annoyance In-Reply-To: <1aa60f4d0606231958x738080a4vf2807e826e1c23bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060623224521.GL24095@ns.metm.org> <1aa60f4d0606231958x738080a4vf2807e826e1c23bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060624163213.GA22615@ns.metm.org> On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 10:58:17PM -0400, tim jacques wrote: > >I removed the processor and reinstalled it in the slot. > >The box has been rock solid since. > Hi Tim and Yusuke, Well you gave me hope. I reseated the RAM and the 2 CPUs. Rebooted numerous times, and it doesn't seem to lock up on anything, or randomly power off. Crossing my fingers, -- Marco From lists at stringsutils.com Mon Jun 26 13:57:53 2006 From: lists at stringsutils.com (Francisco Reyes) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:57:53 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. References: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> <3D6FFE34-D0B8-4BEB-96F7-08083DAAF143@aros.net> Message-ID: Lonnie Olson writes: > The definitive replacement of `rm -f ./114*` with many arguments is > simply this. > find . -name "114*" | xargs rm -f > with the caveat that it will descend into subdirectories. Why not: find . -name "114*" -delete From lists at stringsutils.com Mon Jun 26 13:59:41 2006 From: lists at stringsutils.com (Francisco Reyes) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 13:59:41 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Deleting Lots of Files. References: <44995B31.1000104@cyberxdesigns.com> <20060621145652.GB17679@ayvali.org> <4499B3E8.9020804@cyberxdesigns.com> Message-ID: Hans Kaspersetz writes: > Thanks for the guidance. xargs is working nicely. Although it is great to know xargs, for just deleting files, you could pass the '-delete' flag to find and get it done with.. :-) From scottro at nyc.rr.com Mon Jun 26 19:46:43 2006 From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:46:43 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] CUPS-1.2 on CURRENT Message-ID: <20060626234643.GA50322@mail.scottro.net> I'm wondering if anyone has upgraded to CUPS-1.2 on CURRENT. I've run into a variety of problems--one having to do with my wife being unable to print from her Mac so I had to downgrade quickly. Problem one is covered in PR99460, and seems to be general, regardless of O/S. (Not my PR). Someone found that when printing to an attached USB printer, he got permission denied. A workaround, covered in the PR, was to change permissions and ownership on the device. This worked for me as well with /dev/lpt0. Secondly, and possibly worth a PR, is that the web interface doesn't offer the option of a parallel or USB connection. I use lpadmin (which was another problem--I could be wrong about this, but I think the new version doesn't install the old manual, which goes through an explanation of lpadmin.) Someone not experienced with CUPS would probably be at a loss, especially as their (cups.org) web site says a locally attached USB or parallel printer will show up on the web interface. I haven't had a chance to play with this at all at work, but I believe it had the same issue--on a 6.1-STABLE box, only networked options (ipp, JetDirect, http and lpd) were offered. Printing with samba also seems to have a problem in CURRENT. On the STABLE box at work, I didn't run into this problem (though I didn't have the nerve to upgrade anything but a test box.) However, on my box at home, when I tried printing on an MS box through samba, despite having uncommented the octet-stream lines mime.types and mime.convs, I got the error that application/octet-stream wasn't supported. This was a cups bug at one point, (see their site, www.cups.org/str.php?L1667) but is apparently fixed, and seems to be so in STABLE. There is a workaround mentioned before it was fixed, to add cups options = raw to smb.conf, but I didn't stop to try that as the important thing was enabling the Mac to print. As I said the showstopper for me was the Mac, which doesn't print through samba. I was getting errors like No %%BoundingBox: comment in header. No %%Pages: comment in header. At that point, fearing an explosion at home, rather than trying to troubleshoot, I chose discretion as the better part of valor and downgraded. I can't test this with the Macs at work either, as they're all production machines and I don't want to get daring. :) So, I'm wondering if anyone else has run into any of this. The only one that I'm considering filing a PR on is the one of the parallel and USB devices missing from the web interface, as I can examine that one at leisure on the testbox at work. No real questions here, just asking what experiences anyone else has had upgrading to cups-1.2 on FreeBSD. Had I not run into all these problems on the home machine, I wouldn't even have realized they existed--on the work machine, the upgrade was smooth, but that prints to networked printers and only (rarely) serves one MS machine. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Cordelia: I came over here to tell Buffy to stop this craziness, and found you all unconscious--again. How many times have you been knocked out, anyway? I swear, one of these times, you're going to wake up in a coma. Giles: Wake up in a...? Oh, never mind. We need to save Buffy from Hansel and Gretel. Cordelia: Now, let's be clear. The brain damage happened before I hit you. From dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca Mon Jun 26 22:02:46 2006 From: dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca (Dru) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] booting multiple FreeBSDs Message-ID: <20060626220136.O622@dru.domain.org> I remember there was a how-to about a year ago on dual-booting multiple versions of FreeBSD, but I can't find the reference. Anyone recall this or remember where it was posted? Dru From 0dnsa0 at gmail.com Tue Jun 27 13:11:03 2006 From: 0dnsa0 at gmail.com (DNSA) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:11:03 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] booting multiple FreeBSDs Message-ID: <259f84990606271011l2695cafbj31735a695828f68b@mail.gmail.com> > I remember there was a how-to about a year ago on dual-booting multiple > versions of FreeBSD, but I can't find the reference. Anyone recall this or > remember where it was posted? > > Dru > Seems like can't find the one from previous year, however google shows some articles. There's one up here: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/05/09/Big_Scary_Daemons.html Dual-Booting FreeBSD and FreeBSD by Michael W. Lucas, though it seems like whole article just disappeared. So it'd be best to just do a quick google search, http://tinyurl.com/qg57r for a working one. You may just want to use google's chache to read the entire article from onlamp, that one works. --- DNSA From quigon at hacktek.com Tue Jun 27 13:34:17 2006 From: quigon at hacktek.com (QuiGon) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:34:17 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] booting multiple FreeBSDs In-Reply-To: <259f84990606271011l2695cafbj31735a695828f68b@mail.gmail.com> References: <259f84990606271011l2695cafbj31735a695828f68b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <44A16C19.7020502@hacktek.com> DNSA wrote: >> I remember there was a how-to about a year ago on dual-booting multiple >> versions of FreeBSD, but I can't find the reference. Anyone recall this or >> remember where it was posted? >> >> Dru >> >> > > Seems like can't find the one from previous year, however google shows > some articles. There's one up here: > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/05/09/Big_Scary_Daemons.html > Dual-Booting FreeBSD and FreeBSD by Michael W. Lucas, though it seems > like whole article just disappeared. So it'd be best to just do a > quick google search, http://tinyurl.com/qg57r for a working one. You > may just want to use google's chache to read the entire article from > onlamp, that one works. > > --- DNSA > _______________________________________________ > Archive.org also has the original article: *http://tinyurl.com/fa64e* From dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca Tue Jun 27 14:26:03 2006 From: dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca (Dru) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] booting multiple FreeBSDs In-Reply-To: <259f84990606271011l2695cafbj31735a695828f68b@mail.gmail.com> References: <259f84990606271011l2695cafbj31735a695828f68b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060627142413.W1213@dru.domain.org> On Tue, 27 Jun 2006, DNSA wrote: >> I remember there was a how-to about a year ago on dual-booting multiple >> versions of FreeBSD, but I can't find the reference. Anyone recall this or >> remember where it was posted? >> >> Dru >> > > Seems like can't find the one from previous year, however google shows > some articles. There's one up here: > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/05/09/Big_Scary_Daemons.html > Dual-Booting FreeBSD and FreeBSD by Michael W. Lucas, though it seems > like whole article just disappeared. So it'd be best to just do a > quick google search, http://tinyurl.com/qg57r for a working one. You > may just want to use google's chache to read the entire article from > onlamp, that one works. Thanks guys, that's the one. Didn't seem quite that long ago... It's funny that that seems to be the only article of Michael's that has disappeared from the onlamp site. Dru From max at neuropunks.org Tue Jun 27 23:43:59 2006 From: max at neuropunks.org (Max Gribov) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:43:59 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] pf/freebsd, route-to, reply-to and nat Message-ID: <44A1FAFF.3070006@neuropunks.org> Hello all, I am trying to figure this out for a couple of days.. I have a fbsd 6.1 router connected to local network, to DSL ISP and a Cable ISP. All user traffic goes out via the Cable line, the default route on the box is the Cable. There is a windows server behind the firewall, and firewall's DSL IP address has a port forward for 3389/tcp (rdp) to the windows box. Im able to pipe users' traffic via the cable, but no matter what i do, i cannot get the windows server on the internal network to be accessible from the DSL ip. I can reach internet, I can see both cable and DSL routers, and if I change my default gateway to the DSL, then it works fine. [root at styx /home/max]# uname -a FreeBSD styx.neuropunks.org 6.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #1: Mon Jun 12 19:44:57 EDT 2006 max at styx.neuropunks.org:/usr/src/sys/sparc64/compile/STYX sparc64 Here are the relevant rule parts (the order of the rules below is actual order in the pf.conf) int="hme0" ext="hme1" ext_cable="hme5" gw_dsl="216.254.70.1" gw_cable="207.38.217.1" draco="192.168.0.4" # nat nat on $ext_cable from $local_net to any -> ($ext_cable) nat on $ext from $local_net to any -> ($ext) # rdr rdr inet proto tcp from any to $styx_ext/32 port 3389 -> $draco port 3389 # default deny block log-all all pass quick on lo0 all # ensures that we can pass to draco's 192.168.x.x ip address pass in log on $ext inet proto tcp from any to $draco/32 port 3389 flags S/SA modulate state queue (prirdp, tcpack) # pass tcp to DSL public IP to port 3389, reply through DSL interface/IP pass in quick log on $ext reply-to ($ext $gw_dsl) inet proto tcp from any to $styx_ext/32 port 3389 flags S/SA modulate state queue (prirdp, tcpack) # local interface filtering pass out on $int from any to $local_net pass in quick on $int from $local_net to $int # pass into local interface with source of 192.168.x.x pass in log on $int route-to ($ext $gw_dsl) proto tcp from $draco/32 port 3389 to any keep state queue (intprirdp, inttcpack) # global allow all outgoing pass out on $ext_cable inet proto tcp from any to any flags S/SA modulate state pass out on $ext_cable inet proto { udp, icmp } from any to any keep state pass out on $ext inet proto tcp from any to any flags S/SA modulate state pass out on $ext inet proto { udp, icmp } from any to any keep state # keep track of the interfaces/sources pass out on $ext route-to ($ext_cable $gw_cable) from $ext_cable to any pass out on $ext_cable route-to ($ext $gw_dsl) from $ext to any # EOF Here is tcpdump from watching pflog0 for relevant log statements: 19:27:50.405748 rule 12/0(match): pass in on hme1: finn.neuropunks.org.64868 > draco.rdp: S 2150035332:2150035332(0) win 65535 0x0000: 4520 003c d29a 4000 3b06 3c2c 451f 2b0a 0x0010: c0a8 0004 fd64 0d3d 8026 ef84 0000 0000 0x0020: a002 ffff 5f15 0000 0204 05b4 0103 0301 19:27:50.405910 rule 67/0(match): pass out on hme0: finn.neuropunks.org.64868 > draco.rdp: S 2150035332:2150035332(0) win 65535 0x0000: 4520 003c d29a 4000 3a06 3d2c 451f 2b0a 0x0010: c0a8 0004 fd64 0d3d 8026 ef84 0000 0000 0x0020: a002 ffff 5f15 0000 0204 05b4 0103 0301 The packets are not being filtered, the global block policy logs denies. I looked at plain interface tcpdump (hme0, hme1) and my router does address packets to local DSL router MAC address, and I am able to ssh into the firewall itself, which is handled by this rule: pass in quick log on $ext reply-to ($ext $gw_dsl) inet proto tcp from any to $styx_ext/32 port 22 flags S/SA modulate state (max-src-conn-rate 8/60, overload flush global) queue (prissh, tcpack) so i know i can get packets back over the dsl interface even if the static route is the cable. There seems to be some issue with either nat'ing, or i am not using reply-to/route-to rules, but ive tried everything, and i cant figure it out. If anyone has any idea, or did something similar, please let me know Thank you, Max From anthony.elizondo at gmail.com Wed Jun 28 16:11:32 2006 From: anthony.elizondo at gmail.com (Anthony Elizondo) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:11:32 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] iSCSI target mode on FreeBSD Message-ID: I came across a nice guide on how to setup iSCSI target mode in Fedora, and I was impressed by how easy it appears to be. See: http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/Going_Enterprise_-_setup_your_FC4_iSCSI_target_in_5_minutes Anyone have any experience working with iSCSI in FreeBSD? I some bits and pieces around, but nothing that apeears substantial. Or should I be pursuing ATA over Ethernet, which seems to have a lot more support, mostly due to Coraid. http://www.coraid.com/support/freebsd/usingaoe.html Anthony From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed Jun 28 17:21:38 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] iSCSI target mode on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56432.160.33.20.11.1151529698.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > I came across a nice guide on how to setup iSCSI target mode in > Fedora, and I was impressed by how easy it appears to be. See: > http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/Going_Enterprise_-_setup_your_FC4_iSCSI_target_in_5_minutes > > Anyone have any experience working with iSCSI in FreeBSD? I some bits > and pieces around, but nothing that apeears substantial. > > Or should I be pursuing ATA over Ethernet, which seems to have a lot > more support, mostly due to Coraid. > http://www.coraid.com/support/freebsd/usingaoe.html > you may be better off going with NetBSD at this point: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2006/02/21/0018.html last I heard iSCI was planned on being imported from Net into the Free three: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2006-June/063682.html by all accounts I've heard iSCSI support on Net is very good, ask the wasabi guys ;-) http://www.storagebuilder.com/products/iscsi.html -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From george at sddi.net Thu Jun 29 02:12:58 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:12:58 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] iSCSI target mode on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <56432.160.33.20.11.1151529698.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <56432.160.33.20.11.1151529698.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <44A36F6A.9060700@sddi.net> Peter Wright wrote: >> I came across a nice guide on how to setup iSCSI target mode in >> Fedora, and I was impressed by how easy it appears to be. See: >> http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/Going_Enterprise_-_setup_your_FC4_iSCSI_target_in_5_minutes >> >> Anyone have any experience working with iSCSI in FreeBSD? I some bits >> and pieces around, but nothing that apeears substantial. >> >> Or should I be pursuing ATA over Ethernet, which seems to have a lot >> more support, mostly due to Coraid. >> http://www.coraid.com/support/freebsd/usingaoe.html >> > > you may be better off going with NetBSD at this point: > > http://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2006/02/21/0018.html > > last I heard iSCI was planned on being imported from Net into the Free three: > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2006-June/063682.html > > by all accounts I've heard iSCSI support on Net is very good, ask the > wasabi guys ;-) > > http://www.storagebuilder.com/products/iscsi.html > Played with iSCSI on NetBSD, as we have some possible functions for it, and found it simple and straight-forward, although at that point still in /devel/ in pkgsrc. No issues with the various versions of the Microsoft clients. I hear lots of things about iSCSI in FreeBSD, but one thing I am sure of is from one of the FreeSBIE/GUFI guys who recently came through NYC, Attilio. I gave him a few old SCSI drives as he was going to spend some time resolving some SCSI issues before tackling iSCSI. I've cc'd him, so hopefully he can fill us in on the utility of the NetBSD package in the process of creating a FreeBSD one. I'd assume that GEOM-land puts things in such a different context if the solution is in that direction, and that it would be something beyond a port. George