From stucchi at willystudios.com Wed May 3 05:17:54 2006 From: stucchi at willystudios.com (Massimiliano Stucchi) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:17:54 +0200 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Going to BSDCan In-Reply-To: <20060427215520.GD31723@willystudios.com> References: <20060427215520.GD31723@willystudios.com> Message-ID: <20060503091754.GG14025@willystudios.com> On 270406, 23:55, Massimiliano Stucchi wrote: > > I'm travelling with (hopefully, if passports will be ready) other two > Italian guys, and since we've had problems finding somebody to travel > with, we're now going to rent a car and drive up by ourselves. Looking > at quotes we can get, we can have a 7-seats car with a few dollars more > than the 4-seats one we're going to get. As a followup, we now have decided to get a van, 7 seater. We still have 1 seat, probably 2. If there's anybody out there wanting to come, just let me know. We will be leaving on wednesday, may 10th, and be coming back on Sunday, may 14th. Ciao ! -- Massimiliano Stucchi WillyStudios.com stucchi at willystudios.com Http://www.willystudios.com/max/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dan at langille.org Wed May 3 09:11:57 2006 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:11:57 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Going to BSDCan In-Reply-To: <20060503091754.GG14025@willystudios.com> References: <20060427215520.GD31723@willystudios.com> Message-ID: <445873DD.16474.181A34E0@dan.langille.org> On 3 May 2006 at 11:17, Massimiliano Stucchi wrote: > On 270406, 23:55, Massimiliano Stucchi wrote: > > > > I'm travelling with (hopefully, if passports will be ready) other two > > Italian guys, and since we've had problems finding somebody to travel > > with, we're now going to rent a car and drive up by ourselves. Looking > > at quotes we can get, we can have a 7-seats car with a few dollars more > > than the 4-seats one we're going to get. > > As a followup, we now have decided to get a van, 7 seater. We still > have 1 seat, probably 2. If there's anybody out there wanting to come, > just let me know. > > We will be leaving on wednesday, may 10th, and be coming back on Sunday, > may 14th. Good! I like the drive between NYC and Ottawa. maps.google.ca gets the right route. I don't recommand leaving NY by going north or by going through Montreal. This route gets you to within a few hundred feet of the residence building: Have a good trip. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php From ron at vnetworx.net Wed May 3 12:38:53 2006 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 12:38:53 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYLUG April General Mtg (5/4): Dr. Juan-Antonio Carballo on Open Hardware Message-ID: <4458DC9D.50701@vnetworx.net> The open/collaborative method having proved itself as a superior development method for software, is now moving into hardware. One of IBM's top VCs will be talking to us about it tomorrow evening. I hope to see some of our local BSD community there. Feel free to plug your favorite flavor of BSD during the discussion period. ;) - Ron May 4th, 2006 (April Meeting) Thursday 6:30PM-8:00PM IBM Headquarters Building 590 Madison Avenue at 57th Street 12th Floor, home to the IBM Linux Center of Competency ** RSVP Instructions ** You must RSVP for *EVERY* meeting. Register at http://rsvp.nylug.org/ Check in with photo ID at the lobby for badge and room number. (Due to scheduling conflicts, our April meeting is being held in May.) Dr. Juan-Antonio Carballo -on- Open Hardware Please join us the first week of May for a special presentation by Dr. Juan-Antonio Carballo, of IBM Venture Capital. "Spreading to the Edges: Growing a VC Ecosystem in a Multi-layered Open Model" The open model for solutions development is quickly extending from software to other technology areas, such as hardware and services. Specifically, just as open source has spawned a revolution in the technical, business, and legal model for software, open hardware will provide a swell of collaborative innovation that will create entirely new markets and provide significant business benefits to the most creative, most reliable, and most adaptable semiconductor, EDA, System-On-Chip (SoC), systems, SW, and service houses. The open-source software stack with Linux as its cornerstone is increasingly and provably the preferred choice for newly venture-funded companies. Open hardware will also change the world of hardware venture investing. While the degree of openness and the business model may vary, hardware and semiconductor products have to be increasingly developed through a collaborative model that helps assemble IP blocks and services from multiple sources. In this talk he will describe the open standards model for hardware, chip, and tool innovation, and will argue and quantify how openness and a systematic method to value its associated IP will help the success of this environment, in that it will allow each member of the value chain - especially small VC-backed companies - to capture enough value to desire to participate. About Dr. Juan-Antonio Carballo Juan-Antonio Carballo is a partner and Venture Capital Strategy Executive at IBM, with responsibility in the semiconductors and systems sector, creating and managing strategic projects with top-tier Venture Capital firms and their portfolio companies. Prior to this assignment, Juan-Antonio has led research in adaptive communications chips and design methodologies at IBM Research. He won an IBM Research Division award for driving work in this area. He has filed more than 20 patents and has near 20 publications in low-power design, communications systems, design economics, electronic design automation, and collaboration software. He is the Chair of the International Technology Roadmap for Semiconductors (ITRS) Design Chapter, the CTO and R&D Chair of the VSIA IP standards organization, and the Chair of the IEEE Committee on Electronic Design Automation. He has been on the committee of six symposiums and conferences, and was the General Chair for Electronic Design Processes 2004 in Monterey, CA. His prior work experience includes stays at Digital Equipment (currently HP) and LSI Logic. Juan-Antonio holds a Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering (in electronic design) from the University of Michigan, an M.B.A. from the College des Ingenieurs (Paris), and a M.Sc. in Telecommunications Engineering from the Universidad Politecnica de Madrid. (any errors in bio are ours, with apologies - NYLUG) Swag (Give Away) - After the meeting... unusually terrific swag may be given away. Stammtisch After the meeting ... Join us around 8:30pm or so at TGI Friday's, located at 677 Lexington Avenue and 56th Street, second floor. Northeast corner. Please see our home page at http://www.nylug.org for the HTMLized version of this announcement, our archives, and a lot of other good stuff. From george at sddi.net Wed May 3 12:46:31 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 12:46:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYLUG April General Mtg (5/4): Dr. Juan-Antonio Carballo on Open Hardware In-Reply-To: <4458DC9D.50701@vnetworx.net> References: <4458DC9D.50701@vnetworx.net> Message-ID: <4458DE67.7050201@sddi.net> Ron Guerin wrote: > The open/collaborative method having proved itself as a superior > development method for software, is now moving into hardware. One of > IBM's top VCs will be talking to us about it tomorrow evening. > > I hope to see some of our local BSD community there. Feel free to > plug your favorite flavor of BSD during the discussion period. ;) This is not the place to post announcements. Particularly since this smells of a sales meeting, something we NEVER have for NYCBUG. g From ron at vnetworx.net Wed May 3 13:18:26 2006 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:18:26 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYLUG April General Mtg (5/4): Dr. Juan-Antonio Carballo on Open Hardware In-Reply-To: <4458DE67.7050201@sddi.net> References: <4458DC9D.50701@vnetworx.net> <4458DE67.7050201@sddi.net> Message-ID: <4458E5E2.8030500@vnetworx.net> George R. wrote: > This is not the place to post announcements. Particularly since this > smells of a sales meeting, something we NEVER have for NYCBUG. It's not a sales meeting, we don't have those either. It wasn't clear from your website where it would be appropriate for me to personally invite the BSD community to hear about collaborative hardware if this wasn't the right place for me to do so. Sorry. - Ron From njt at ayvali.org Thu May 4 10:10:17 2006 From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:10:17 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] last night's venue Message-ID: <20060504141017.GA2095@ayvali.org> I missed both meetings at Baruch, but I really liked the Suspenders place last night. *Much* better than the Apple store. (My only suggestion is to ask the presenters to increase the font size on their slides a bit. Although it was viewable from the back, a larger size would have prevented some strain on the eyes.) thanks, Thomas -- N.J. 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From nycbug at cyth.net Thu May 4 13:03:12 2006 From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:03:12 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] scp as a different user In-Reply-To: <473F693B-BE61-406B-9144-439183FE31EF@gmail.com> References: <473F693B-BE61-406B-9144-439183FE31EF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060504170335.GD23128@syntax.cyth.net> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 09:56:35AM -0700, Steve Rieger wrote: > question > > > as "user_a" i run a script that creates "file", then i need to scp > file user_b at localhost user_b at remot-host:~/ > > i copied the public keys for user_b from local to remote, but since i > am user_a i need to enter the password for user_b when running the > scp command, is there any way around that. > > (note i cant give out the keys to user_a) As user_a, create "file.new", then "mv file.new file". As user_b, periodically check for "file", and if it exists scp "file" to remote host. As user_b, delete "file". -Ray- From nikolai at fetissov.org Thu May 4 13:26:51 2006 From: nikolai at fetissov.org (nikolai at fetissov.org) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] May 3, 2006 meeting audio Message-ID: <37605.63.66.6.15.1146763611.squirrel@www.geekisp.com> Folks, mp3 of yesterday meeting is at http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/ Thanks to Mickey and Misha for interesting presentations. -- Nikolai From okan at demirmen.com Thu May 4 13:32:36 2006 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:32:36 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] scp as a different user In-Reply-To: <473F693B-BE61-406B-9144-439183FE31EF@gmail.com> References: <473F693B-BE61-406B-9144-439183FE31EF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060504173236.GA23885@clam.khaoz.org> On Thu 2006.05.04 at 09:56 -0700, Steve Rieger wrote: > question > > > as "user_a" i run a script that creates "file", then i need to scp > file user_b at localhost user_b at remot-host:~/ > > i copied the public keys for user_b from local to remote, but since i > am user_a i need to enter the password for user_b when running the > scp command, is there any way around that. because user_a can't read user_b's private key. > (note i cant give out the keys to user_a) do you have to use user_b from localhost to scp out? you can just create another key pair for user_a and only have it used when ssh/scp'ing to "remote-host". ...oh, just saw ray's mail - there are many ways ;) okan From ike at lesmuug.org Thu May 4 17:55:38 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:55:38 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ssh key db Message-ID: <0236EE84-7AD3-4C5C-BC3C-D7343D16D9BF@lesmuug.org> Hey Ray, What was the name of that German utility for ssh key mgmt. you wrote down last night at the meeting? Rocket- .ike From ike at lesmuug.org Thu May 4 17:57:14 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:57:14 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] May 3, 2006 meeting audio In-Reply-To: <37605.63.66.6.15.1146763611.squirrel@www.geekisp.com> References: <37605.63.66.6.15.1146763611.squirrel@www.geekisp.com> Message-ID: On May 4, 2006, at 1:26 PM, nikolai at fetissov.org wrote: > Folks, > mp3 of yesterday meeting is at > http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/ > Thanks to Mickey and Misha for > interesting presentations. And thanks to Nikolai for again recording it all! Rocket- .ike From george at sddi.net Thu May 4 21:36:16 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 21:36:16 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] last night's venue In-Reply-To: <20060504141017.GA2095@ayvali.org> References: <20060504141017.GA2095@ayvali.org> Message-ID: <445AAC10.2080608@sddi.net> N.J. Thomas wrote: > I missed both meetings at Baruch, but I really liked the Suspenders > place last night. *Much* better than the Apple store. > > (My only suggestion is to ask the presenters to increase the font size > on their slides a bit. Although it was viewable from the back, a larger > size would have prevented some strain on the eyes.) > good point, Thomas. I think the venue can work for us. . . we needed to also do better planning on the seating with less tables, and not have waiters going in and out during the meeting. . . Any other thoughts on this? Is it back to the apple store or suspenders? g From george at sddi.net Thu May 4 21:42:35 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 21:42:35 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Hackathon money raised . . Message-ID: <445AAD8B.50708@sddi.net> We raised $371 dollars from donations and OpenBSD tshirt sales last night. This is a final call for anyone who wants to donate. . . some of us are going to put extra in and our very own Ray will be bringing the money to the Hackathon. Please contact me offlist if you want to contribute. George From ike at lesmuug.org Thu May 4 23:28:57 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 23:28:57 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Memory sizing In-Reply-To: References: <56E6B29E-2647-4CA4-AA2F-4BB83E719722@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: Hi Francisco, Sorry to drop this thread- On Apr 22, 2006, at 4:34 PM, Francisco Reyes wrote: > Isaac Levy writes: > >> 3.6TB (currently about 2.5TB used) > > What you have that on? > SAN/#U server? > I think you mentioned but... is that IDE or SCSI? SATA- 3u servers, 16 drive bays: This is the case I LOVE: http://www.chenbro.com.tw/usa/product/product_preview.php?pid=132 Lee at GCS built a couple of Xeon servers for me with these at an excellent price. My client did however find the harddrives in bulk substantially cheaper from online vendors, (at that scale, buying > 32 drives at a time, it's nearly bulk, even $10 per drive adds up). >> Number of files, unknown. I'll count them some weekend for kicks >> when I think of it. > > That would be interesting.. It is not that bad.. you can run it > almost at any time. I find that find is not too demanding on > resources. > > I count files so often on directories that I have an alias fwc ==> > find . |wc -l > Running this now in a dtach session- will see when it's done... Rocket- .ike From ike at lesmuug.org Thu May 4 23:37:03 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 23:37:03 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Memory sizing In-Reply-To: <20060423195018.GD13760@sunset.nomadlogic.org> References: <20060422180950.GA9335@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060423190719.GA13760@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060423195018.GD13760@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: Hi Pete, Francisco, Sorry to take this memory thread over to disks again (highly informative!), but, On Apr 23, 2006, at 3:50 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > SATA drives are pretty good, we use them for some things although for > something as critical as a database i would not trust them > especially if > you expecting to have frequent/large disk IO happening. With all due respect to Pete, (knowing his experience with MUCHO disk worklife), I have to disagree from direct experience. I've been using SATA for years in extremely demanding disk i/o enviornments, lots of raid, lots of unstructured heavy disk i/o use, and I've come to love SATA. One other component of my SATA attitude is the cost, it's cheap to replace disks- so I then use lots of raid in the big picture... SCSI itself has always made me grieved in one way or another, and I've experienced new SCSI disks to be made as shoddily as any type of disk made today... e.g. they all fail at some point. (does anyone else feel like overall quality goes down when they cram so many GB into such tiny platters?...) My .02?, definately not intended for flame- just my experiences have been very positive with SATA. Now SATA RAID card support, that's a whole other ball of wax... Rocket- .ike From lists at genoverly.net Fri May 5 08:05:36 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 08:05:36 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Frenzy BSD Message-ID: <20060505080536.63806796@wit.genoverly.home> Here's one I had not seen yet. Frenzy is a "portable system administrator toolkit," LiveCD based on FreeBSD. It generally contains software for hardware tests, file system check, security check and network setup and analysis. Size of ISO-image is 200 MBytes (3" CD) http://frenzy.org.ua/en/index.shtml http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=627&slide=1 -- Michael From lists at stringsutils.com Fri May 5 09:19:58 2006 From: lists at stringsutils.com (Francisco Reyes) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:19:58 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] scp as a different user References: <473F693B-BE61-406B-9144-439183FE31EF@gmail.com> Message-ID: Steve Rieger writes: > as "user_a" i run a script that creates "file", then i need to scp > file user_b at localhost user_b at remot-host:~/ Is user_b is a real user in the source machine? If not you could just have the private key in user_a. User_b doesn't even have to exist in source machine, if you only use it to scp. > (note i cant give out the keys to user_a) Given that restriction the only thing I think will work is the suggested approach to copy the data somewhere where user_b can see it. From nycbug at cyth.net Fri May 5 09:53:23 2006 From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 09:53:23 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ssh key db In-Reply-To: <0236EE84-7AD3-4C5C-BC3C-D7343D16D9BF@lesmuug.org> References: <0236EE84-7AD3-4C5C-BC3C-D7343D16D9BF@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: <20060505135346.GC15591@syntax.cyth.net> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 05:55:38PM -0400, Isaac Levy wrote: > Hey Ray, > > What was the name of that German utility for ssh key mgmt. you wrote > down last night at the meeting? brechstange. I hope I did not misspell it. -Ray- From george at sddi.net Fri May 5 10:35:15 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:35:15 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ssh key db In-Reply-To: <20060505135346.GC15591@syntax.cyth.net> References: <0236EE84-7AD3-4C5C-BC3C-D7343D16D9BF@lesmuug.org> <20060505135346.GC15591@syntax.cyth.net> Message-ID: <445B62A3.4080008@sddi.net> Ray Lai wrote: > On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 05:55:38PM -0400, Isaac Levy wrote: >> Hey Ray, >> >> What was the name of that German utility for ssh key mgmt. you wrote >> down last night at the meeting? > > brechstange. I hope I did not misspell it. Mischa is here with me right now, and he says it is spelled right. . . however, it may not be up at Sourceforge yet. . . He'll send us the link.. . g From ike at lesmuug.org Fri May 5 10:42:24 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:42:24 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ssh key db In-Reply-To: <445B62A3.4080008@sddi.net> References: <0236EE84-7AD3-4C5C-BC3C-D7343D16D9BF@lesmuug.org> <20060505135346.GC15591@syntax.cyth.net> <445B62A3.4080008@sddi.net> Message-ID: <6C2A2BEC-EDA9-4FC5-A57E-09036D84D7BE@lesmuug.org> Word, On May 5, 2006, at 10:35 AM, George R. wrote: > Ray Lai wrote: >> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 05:55:38PM -0400, Isaac Levy wrote: >>> Hey Ray, >>> >>> What was the name of that German utility for ssh key mgmt. you wrote >>> down last night at the meeting? >> >> brechstange. I hope I did not misspell it. > > Mischa is here with me right now, and he says it is spelled right. . . > however, it may not be up at Sourceforge yet. . . > > He'll send us the link.. . http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brechstange ? Rocket- .ike From george at sddi.net Fri May 5 10:44:45 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:44:45 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ssh key db In-Reply-To: <6C2A2BEC-EDA9-4FC5-A57E-09036D84D7BE@lesmuug.org> References: <0236EE84-7AD3-4C5C-BC3C-D7343D16D9BF@lesmuug.org> <20060505135346.GC15591@syntax.cyth.net> <445B62A3.4080008@sddi.net> <6C2A2BEC-EDA9-4FC5-A57E-09036D84D7BE@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: <445B64DD.4090501@sddi.net> Isaac Levy wrote: > Word, > > On May 5, 2006, at 10:35 AM, George R. wrote: > >> Ray Lai wrote: >>> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 05:55:38PM -0400, Isaac Levy wrote: >>>> Hey Ray, >>>> >>>> What was the name of that German utility for ssh key mgmt. you wrote >>>> down last night at the meeting? >>> >>> brechstange. I hope I did not misspell it. >> >> Mischa is here with me right now, and he says it is spelled right. . . >> however, it may not be up at Sourceforge yet. . . >> >> He'll send us the link.. . > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brechstange > > ? Yes, in German it's a crowbar. . . and I just sub'd Mischa to the list. g From okan at demirmen.com Fri May 5 10:55:06 2006 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:55:06 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ssh key db In-Reply-To: <445B64DD.4090501@sddi.net> References: <0236EE84-7AD3-4C5C-BC3C-D7343D16D9BF@lesmuug.org> <20060505135346.GC15591@syntax.cyth.net> <445B62A3.4080008@sddi.net> <6C2A2BEC-EDA9-4FC5-A57E-09036D84D7BE@lesmuug.org> <445B64DD.4090501@sddi.net> Message-ID: <20060505145506.GA26143@clam.khaoz.org> On Fri 2006.05.05 at 10:44 -0400, George Rosamond wrote: > Isaac Levy wrote: > > Word, > > > > On May 5, 2006, at 10:35 AM, George R. wrote: > > > >> Ray Lai wrote: > >>> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 05:55:38PM -0400, Isaac Levy wrote: > >>>> Hey Ray, > >>>> > >>>> What was the name of that German utility for ssh key mgmt. you wrote > >>>> down last night at the meeting? > >>> > >>> brechstange. I hope I did not misspell it. > >> > >> Mischa is here with me right now, and he says it is spelled right. . . > >> however, it may not be up at Sourceforge yet. . . > >> > >> He'll send us the link.. . > > > > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brechstange > > > > ? > > Yes, in German it's a crowbar. . . and I just sub'd Mischa to the list. i saw that- you sure he knows what he is in for? From ike at lesmuug.org Fri May 5 11:28:20 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 11:28:20 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] netflow applications Message-ID: Hey Max, You mentioned you were using netflow the other night in some other discussion, what's your setup? I'm just interested in different ways of measuring and visualizing network traffic lately. Best, .ike From pete at nomadlogic.org Fri May 5 17:25:11 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:25:11 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Memory sizing In-Reply-To: References: <20060422180950.GA9335@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060423190719.GA13760@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060423195018.GD13760@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20060505212508.GA35836@sunset.nomadlogic.org> On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:37:03PM -0400, Isaac Levy wrote: > Hi Pete, Francisco, > > Sorry to take this memory thread over to disks again (highly > informative!), but, > > On Apr 23, 2006, at 3:50 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > > >SATA drives are pretty good, we use them for some things although for > >something as critical as a database i would not trust them > >especially if > >you expecting to have frequent/large disk IO happening. > > With all due respect to Pete, (knowing his experience with MUCHO disk > worklife), I have to disagree from direct experience. > > I've been using SATA for years in extremely demanding disk i/o > enviornments, lots of raid, lots of unstructured heavy disk i/o use, > and I've come to love SATA. > > One other component of my SATA attitude is the cost, it's cheap to > replace disks- so I then use lots of raid in the big picture... > SCSI itself has always made me grieved in one way or another, and > I've experienced new SCSI disks to be made as shoddily as any type of > disk made today... e.g. they all fail at some point. (does anyone > else feel like overall quality goes down when they cram so many GB > into such tiny platters?...) > > My .02?, definately not intended for flame- just my experiences have > been very positive with SATA. > heh, no flame i'm glad we both can offer up our experiences. i'd still have to say in an ideal world go for SCSI, granted they are more expensive than SATA drives but in the long run i think a SCSI implementation will offer less grief in the long run (code maturity, disk are generally more robust and faster, and SCSI controllers generally are going to outperform SATA RIAD controllers) for a database application. anyway, i guess it's one of those times when it's good to have options eh? ;) -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From ike at lesmuug.org Sat May 6 12:52:12 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 12:52:12 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Memory sizing In-Reply-To: <20060505212508.GA35836@sunset.nomadlogic.org> References: <20060422180950.GA9335@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060423190719.GA13760@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060423195018.GD13760@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060505212508.GA35836@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: Wordemup Pete, All, On May 5, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Pete Wright wrote: >> My .02?, definately not intended for flame- just my experiences have >> been very positive with SATA. >> > > heh, no flame i'm glad we both can offer up our experiences. i'd > still > have to say in an ideal world go for SCSI, granted they are more > expensive than SATA drives but in the long run i think a SCSI > implementation will offer less grief in the long run (code maturity, > disk are generally more robust and faster, and SCSI controllers > generally are going to outperform SATA RIAD controllers) for a > database > application. > > anyway, i guess it's one of those times when it's good to have options > eh? ;) No! We ALL have to agree ALL the time! :P Actually, in the spirit of diversity, I whole-heartedly agree with you with regard to code maturity and raw speed etc... I think without benchmarks, what we're really jawing about, is tradeoffs in approach. Rocket- .ike From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com Sat May 6 13:10:28 2006 From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 13:10:28 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Memory sizing In-Reply-To: References: <20060422180950.GA9335@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060423190719.GA13760@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060423195018.GD13760@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060505212508.GA35836@sunset.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <272DE376-D25A-4398-AE06-D9AE4BF51999@2xlp.com> On May 6, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Isaac Levy wrote: > you with regard to code maturity and raw speed etc... I think > without benchmarks, what we're really jawing about, is tradeoffs in > approach. It would be interesting to find out what google/amazon s3 are using -- both are advocating the use of clustered commodity hardware for speed/redundancy vs using solid, more expensive components that are faster on their own. From ike at lesmuug.org Sat May 6 14:58:42 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 14:58:42 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Memory sizing In-Reply-To: References: <56E6B29E-2647-4CA4-AA2F-4BB83E719722@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: <282E2896-49ED-49CB-A440-0898AFBE0CAF@lesmuug.org> Hi Francisco, All, On Apr 22, 2006, at 4:34 PM, Francisco Reyes wrote: > Isaac Levy writes: > >> 3.6TB (currently about 2.5TB used) > > What you have that on? > SAN/#U server? > I think you mentioned but... is that IDE or SCSI? > >> Number of files, unknown. I'll count them some weekend for kicks >> when I think of it. > > That would be interesting.. It is not that bad.. you can run it > almost at any time. I find that find is not too demanding on > resources. > > I count files so often on directories that I have an alias fwc ==> > find . |wc -l I just remembered to check the count for this mixed-use deployment: 131,23,297 files 3.6TB of space, about 2.5TB used Contents ranging from archived websites and (lots of small files), to multi-GB video files and etc. Rocket, .ike From pete at nomadlogic.org Sat May 6 15:50:34 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 12:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Memory sizing In-Reply-To: <272DE376-D25A-4398-AE06-D9AE4BF51999@2xlp.com> References: <20060422180950.GA9335@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060423190719.GA13760@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060423195018.GD13760@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <20060505212508.GA35836@sunset.nomadlogic.org> <272DE376-D25A-4398-AE06-D9AE4BF51999@2xlp.com> Message-ID: <51103.70.38.30.24.1146945034.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > > On May 6, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Isaac Levy wrote: > >> you with regard to code maturity and raw speed etc... I think >> without benchmarks, what we're really jawing about, is tradeoffs in >> approach. > > It would be interesting to find out what google/amazon s3 are using > -- both are advocating the use of clustered commodity hardware for > speed/redundancy vs using solid, more expensive components that are > faster on their own. > > that's an interesting point. i know google has a rather high expectation that hardware will fail (and it does very frequently from what i've heard) and their IT infrastructure takes this into accout. in my current environment we can not take that approach for various reasons (lack of support staff being paramount). i also think it really comes down a users specific use-case. we have a large group of people reading/writing huge data-set's 24/7. for our primary storage fiber channell SCSI backed NAS is needed for this. our secondary (mirroring/backup) storage is actually SATA. it does not provide the speed that SCSI has, but it is not needed in this case. for secondary storage we need lot's of cheap disk space. i'll ping our filer people and see if they can offer any numbers on failure rates of our SATA shelves versus our SCSI shelves....that might be pretty interesting.... -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From mspitzer at gmail.com Sun May 7 02:21:12 2006 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 02:21:12 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] what are your usefull hacks, the real simple ones Message-ID: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> Well I was curious how out of wack my installed ports were, after a portsnap update, and came up with this: pkg_version|awk '{ a[$2]++} END {for (i in a) { print i ,a[i]}}' to give me a sumery, which got refined into this bash function: pkg_version () { /usr/sbin/pkg_version $@ | awk '{ a[$2]++; print $0 } END {print ""; for (i in a) { print i ,a[i]}}'; } which now sits in my .bash_profile/.profile. any other short and quick hacks out there? marc -- "We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization." -Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD From lists at genoverly.net Sun May 7 09:50:58 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 09:50:58 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] what are your usefull hacks, the real simple ones In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060507095058.10591667@wit.genoverly.home> On Sun, 7 May 2006 02:21:12 -0400 "Marc Spitzer" wrote: > Well I was curious how out of wack my installed ports were, after a > portsnap update, and came up with this: > > pkg_version|awk '{ a[$2]++} END {for (i in a) { print i ,a[i]}}' > > to give me a sumery, which got refined into this bash function: > > pkg_version () { /usr/sbin/pkg_version $@ | > awk '{ a[$2]++; print $0 } END {print ""; for (i in a) { print > i ,a[i]}}'; } > > which now sits in my .bash_profile/.profile. > > any other short and quick hacks out there? > > marc /usr/local/sbin/portversion -v -l "<" portversion is in ports. -- Michael From af.dingo at gmail.com Sun May 7 10:38:01 2006 From: af.dingo at gmail.com (Jeff Quast) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 10:38:01 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] what are your usefull hacks, the real simple ones In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/7/06, Marc Spitzer wrote: > any other short and quick hacks out there? I use this one daily, named it 'google.sh': browser="/usr/bin/lynx -nocolor -show_cursor -vikeys -cookies OFF" REQ="`echo $@ | sed s/\ /+/g`" $browser http://www.google.com/search?q=${REQ} From ike at lesmuug.org Sun May 7 13:52:24 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 13:52:24 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] replacements for rsync Message-ID: <1B923F03-4E57-41FE-A4AD-D8C51502ABA3@lesmuug.org> Hey Bruno, All, Bruno of-handedly mentioned some cool replacements for rsync, I wanted to know what they are? Just curious... Rocket- .ike From bschonhorst at gmail.com Sun May 7 15:58:26 2006 From: bschonhorst at gmail.com (Brad Schonhorst) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 15:58:26 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] replacements for rsync In-Reply-To: <1B923F03-4E57-41FE-A4AD-D8C51502ABA3@lesmuug.org> References: <1B923F03-4E57-41FE-A4AD-D8C51502ABA3@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: <7708fd680605071258k1852a481nbd76a4838c8c51bf@mail.gmail.com> On 5/7/06, Isaac Levy wrote: > > Hey Bruno, All, > > Bruno of-handedly mentioned some cool replacements for rsync, I > wanted to know what they are? Just curious... > > Rocket- > .ike I use unison to sync all my files. I bounce between several different computers running different OS's and Unison allows me to access all my stuff securely (over ssh.) Its a little different than rsync. It doesn't just push but actually synchronises your files. -Brad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at stringsutils.com Sun May 7 19:12:14 2006 From: lists at stringsutils.com (Francisco Reyes) Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 19:12:14 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] replacements for rsync References: <1B923F03-4E57-41FE-A4AD-D8C51502ABA3@lesmuug.org> <7708fd680605071258k1852a481nbd76a4838c8c51bf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Brad Schonhorst writes: > I use unison to sync all my files.? Another vote for unison. A few times I have used it as a replacement for Rsync on one way syncs. It's syntax is much cleaner From nycbug at cyth.net Mon May 8 01:20:41 2006 From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 01:19:41 -0401 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Where can I Buy Rounded IDE Cables? Message-ID: <20060508052004.GC22304@syntax.cyth.net> Hello Fellow NYCBUGgers, Where can I get some rounded IDE cables? Thanks! -Ray- From skreuzer at f2o.org Mon May 8 10:31:11 2006 From: skreuzer at f2o.org (Steven Kreuzer) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 10:31:11 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] what are your usefull hacks, the real simple ones In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <445F562F.2000602@f2o.org> Marc Spitzer wrote: > any other short and quick hacks out there? > I work in a shell that does everything I want with a few exceptions, such as pushd and popd not being a shell built-in. However, they are really easy to implement as a shell function: function pushd { dirname=$1 cd ${dirname:?"Missing directory name."} DIRSTACK="$PWD ${DIRSTACK:-$OLDPWD}" print "$DIRSTACK" } function popd { DIRSTACK=${DIRSTACK#* } cd ${DIRSTACK%% *} print "$PWD" } Also, there is a command called seq which is part of the gnu core-utils which is pretty much just a program that takes a starting number and and ending number and outputs all the numbers in between: $ seq 1 5 1 2 3 4 5 which can be very very handy when doing loops in the shell. I don't have the core-utils installed, so I don't have seq, but its pretty easy to implement it as a shell function: function seq { local I=$1 while [ $2 != $I ]; do print -n "$I " I=$(( $I + 1 )) done; print "$2" } ----- SK From okan at demirmen.com Mon May 8 10:42:37 2006 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:42:37 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] what are your usefull hacks, the real simple ones In-Reply-To: <445F562F.2000602@f2o.org> References: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> <445F562F.2000602@f2o.org> Message-ID: <20060508144237.GA17911@clam.khaoz.org> On Mon 2006.05.08 at 10:31 -0400, Steven Kreuzer wrote: > Marc Spitzer wrote: > > any other short and quick hacks out there? > > > > I work in a shell that does everything I want with a few exceptions, > such as pushd and popd not being a shell built-in. However, they are > really easy to implement as a shell function: > > function pushd { > dirname=$1 > cd ${dirname:?"Missing directory name."} > DIRSTACK="$PWD ${DIRSTACK:-$OLDPWD}" > print "$DIRSTACK" > } > > function popd { > DIRSTACK=${DIRSTACK#* } > cd ${DIRSTACK%% *} > print "$PWD" > } > > > Also, there is a command called seq which is part of the gnu core-utils > which is pretty much just a program that takes a starting number and > and ending number and outputs all the numbers in between: try jot(1) > $ seq 1 5 > 1 2 3 4 5 > > which can be very very handy when doing loops in the shell. I don't have > the core-utils installed, so I don't have seq, but its pretty easy to > implement it as a shell function: > > function seq { > local I=$1 > while [ $2 != $I ]; do > print -n "$I " > I=$(( $I + 1 )) > done; > print "$2" > } > > ----- > SK > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month From ike at lesmuug.org Mon May 8 10:50:08 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:50:08 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Where can I Buy Rounded IDE Cables? In-Reply-To: <20060508052004.GC22304@syntax.cyth.net> References: <20060508052004.GC22304@syntax.cyth.net> Message-ID: <7D4E9B7E-18B9-4CBD-A147-6F3CC037033D@lesmuug.org> Hi Ray, On May 8, 2006, at 1:20 AM, Ray Lai wrote: > Hello Fellow NYCBUGgers, > > Where can I get some rounded IDE cables? Thanks! > > -Ray- If you want them today, in the city, Cables and Chips downtown: http://www.cablesandchipsinc.com/ -- Online, I've bought from these vendors, good experiences with all of them: http://www.deepsurplus.com/ (VERY high quality patch cables, bulk prices) http://cablestogo.com/ http://cableorganizer.com/ -- Rocket- .ike From nycbug at cyth.net Mon May 8 11:37:52 2006 From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:36:52 -0401 Subject: [nycbug-talk] what are your usefull hacks, the real simple ones Message-ID: <20060508153715.GC8613@syntax.cyth.net> Marc Spitzer wrote: > any other short and quick hacks out there? I have: PROMPT=$(hostname) PROMPT=${USER:-${LOGNAME}}@${PROMPT%%.*} TILDE='~' PS1='${PROMPT}[${TILDE[(1-0${PWD%%@([!!/]*|$HOME*)}1)]-}${PWD#$HOME}] ' in my .profile, which gives me prompts like: ray at x[~] cd tmp ray at x[~/tmp] cd /tmp ray at x[/tmp] It works in every Korn shell implementation I've used and might work in Bourne (not Again) shells (bash freaks out). It's nice having a snippet of code to set my prompt everywhere. Oh, and half the fun was figuring out how it worked. (From Christian "naddy" Weisgerber: .) -Ray- From ahpook at verizon.net Mon May 8 12:00:56 2006 From: ahpook at verizon.net (Ah Pook) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 12:00:56 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] what are your usefull hacks, the real simple ones In-Reply-To: <20060508153715.GC8613@syntax.cyth.net> References: <20060508153715.GC8613@syntax.cyth.net> Message-ID: <200605081200.56647.ahpook@verizon.net> On Monday 08 May 2006 11:37 am, Ray Lai wrote: > in my .profile, which gives me prompts like: > > ray at x[~] cd tmp > ray at x[~/tmp] cd /tmp > ray at x[/tmp] For bash, I have PS1="\[ [1;34m\]\u\[ [37m\]@\[ [0;35m\]\h \[ [1;37m\]\w$\[ [0m\] " Same thing, pretty much. I'd cry without colour codes - different colours for each host helps immensely when you're ssh'ing around all day. I'm always blue, root is always red. > Oh, and half the fun was figuring out how it worked. Fun, hmm? :-) I remember spending (too) many hours trying to get bash, ksh, and zsh to show the same thing. It's one of those things that you get working and never touch again, if you're lucky. zsh: export PROMPT="%{^[[1;34m%}%n%{^[[37m%}@^[[36m%m %{^[[37m%}%d$%{^[[0m%} " From nycbug at cyth.net Mon May 8 12:12:56 2006 From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 12:11:56 -0401 Subject: [nycbug-talk] what are your usefull hacks, the real simple ones In-Reply-To: <200605081200.56647.ahpook@verizon.net> References: <20060508153715.GC8613@syntax.cyth.net> <200605081200.56647.ahpook@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20060508161219.GD8613@syntax.cyth.net> On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 12:00:56PM -0400, Ah Pook wrote: > On Monday 08 May 2006 11:37 am, Ray Lai wrote: > > in my .profile, which gives me prompts like: > > > > ray at x[~] cd tmp > > ray at x[~/tmp] cd /tmp > > ray at x[/tmp] > > For bash, I have > PS1="\[ [1;34m\]\u\[ [37m\]@\[ [0;35m\]\h \[ [1;37m\]\w$\[ [0m\] " > > Same thing, pretty much. I'd cry without colour codes - different > colours for each host helps immensely when you're ssh'ing around all > day. I'm always blue, root is always red. Yeah, but color doesn't work everywhere. Ever used terminals with a white background? Horrendous. Plus, I (almost) never login as root. > > Oh, and half the fun was figuring out how it worked. > > Fun, hmm? :-) I remember spending (too) many hours trying to get bash, > ksh, and zsh to show the same thing. It's one of those things that you > get working and never touch again, if you're lucky. zsh: > export PROMPT="%{^[[1;34m%}%n%{^[[37m%}@^[[36m%m %{^[[37m%}%d$%{^[[0m%} > " When I first started using this code, I didn't use the bash/zsh special escapes to print the username, host, or directory because pdksh didn't support them. It turned out to be a blessing in disguise when I tried to to use the same prompt at work, where they use some decade-old systems. All those fancy color/underline/bold codes don't work there either. -Ray- From skreuzer at f2o.org Mon May 8 12:26:57 2006 From: skreuzer at f2o.org (Steven Kreuzer) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 12:26:57 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] what are your usefull hacks, the real simple ones In-Reply-To: <20060508144237.GA17911@clam.khaoz.org> References: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> <445F562F.2000602@f2o.org> <20060508144237.GA17911@clam.khaoz.org> Message-ID: <445F7151.9090109@f2o.org> Okan Demirmen wrote: > try jot(1) > You learn something new everyday. Thanks for the tip, but it looks like this command is not in Solaris, which is what I spend a good portion of my day in, so I still gotta use that function. ---- SK From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon May 8 14:18:21 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] what are your usefull hacks, the real simple ones In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39405.160.33.20.11.1147112301.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > Well I was curious how out of wack my installed ports were, after a > portsnap update, and came up with this: > > pkg_version|awk '{ a[$2]++} END {for (i in a) { print i ,a[i]}}' > > to give me a sumery, which got refined into this bash function: > > pkg_version () { /usr/sbin/pkg_version $@ | > awk '{ a[$2]++; print $0 } END {print ""; for (i in a) { print i > ,a[i]}}'; > } > > which now sits in my .bash_profile/.profile. > > any other short and quick hacks out there? > ok, this one is dumb - and more of a pet peeve thing. but i've grown fond of defining your path's ala: # from ~/.cshrc set path = ( ~/bin /bin /sbin\ /usr/{bin,sbin,X11R6/bin,local/bin,local/sbin,games} .) not sure why, but on most linux type os's i've used they do not seem to define path's in this way by default... -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From mspitzer at gmail.com Mon May 8 14:43:23 2006 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:43:23 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] what are your usefull hacks, the real simple ones In-Reply-To: <39405.160.33.20.11.1147112301.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> <39405.160.33.20.11.1147112301.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <8c50a3c30605081143tc5ca468s16e339652e827efd@mail.gmail.com> On 5/8/06, Peter Wright wrote: > > ok, this one is dumb - and more of a pet peeve thing. but i've grown fond > of defining your path's ala: > > # from ~/.cshrc > set path = ( ~/bin /bin /sbin\ > /usr/{bin,sbin,X11R6/bin,local/bin,local/sbin,games} .) > > not sure why, but on most linux type os's i've used they do not seem to > define path's in this way by default... > It may have to do with which, or which version of, csh you are using. Tcsh has a lot of changes over csh and this may have something to do with it. Also it may have to do with the simple fact that the other way is simpler, no shell expansion to figure out. marc -- "We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization." -Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon May 8 14:55:22 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] what are your usefull hacks, the real simple ones In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30605081143tc5ca468s16e339652e827efd@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> <39405.160.33.20.11.1147112301.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <8c50a3c30605081143tc5ca468s16e339652e827efd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64609.160.33.20.11.1147114522.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > On 5/8/06, Peter Wright wrote: >> >> ok, this one is dumb - and more of a pet peeve thing. but i've grown >> fond >> of defining your path's ala: >> >> # from ~/.cshrc >> set path = ( ~/bin /bin /sbin\ >> /usr/{bin,sbin,X11R6/bin,local/bin,local/sbin,games} .) >> >> not sure why, but on most linux type os's i've used they do not seem to >> define path's in this way by default... >> > > It may have to do with which, or which version of, csh you are using. > Tcsh has > a lot of changes over csh and this may have something to do with it. > Also it may > have to do with the simple fact that the other way is simpler, no > shell expansion > to figure out. > hmm, i'll have to check that out. i know this works ok with tcsh/csh on both open and freebsd. i'll be testing it out on IRIX when time permits. can't really hack my linux environment at the moment though... -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From mhernandez at ocsny.com Mon May 8 15:00:01 2006 From: mhernandez at ocsny.com (Michael Hernandez) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:00:01 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] what are your usefull hacks, the real simple ones In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30605081143tc5ca468s16e339652e827efd@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> <39405.160.33.20.11.1147112301.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <8c50a3c30605081143tc5ca468s16e339652e827efd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5A4352C3-A41B-445C-904B-F76FB3BD3A1A@ocsny.com> On May 8, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Marc Spitzer wrote: > On 5/8/06, Peter Wright wrote: >> >> ok, this one is dumb - and more of a pet peeve thing. but i've >> grown fond >> of defining your path's ala: >> >> # from ~/.cshrc >> set path = ( ~/bin /bin /sbin\ >> /usr/{bin,sbin,X11R6/bin,local/bin,local/sbin,games} .) >> >> not sure why, but on most linux type os's i've used they do not >> seem to >> define path's in this way by default... >> > > It may have to do with which, or which version of, csh you are > using. Tcsh has > a lot of changes over csh and this may have something to do with it. > Also it may > have to do with the simple fact that the other way is simpler, no > shell expansion > to figure out. zsh also allows you to access/set your path via the array path, or the environment variable PATH (colon separated). In my .zshenv I have this array: paths=( /bin /usr/bin /usr/pkg/bin /usr/local/bin /sbin /usr/sbin / usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/pkg/sbin /usr/X11R6/bin /usr/ games /opt/local/bin /opt/local/sbin ~/bin) I unset the PATH and path variables that may not be correct (depending on whether or not a startup file somewhere has set them) and I "for loop" through my array called paths, checking to see if a directory exists in the filesystem, and building my path as I go along. Mike From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com Mon May 8 15:01:19 2006 From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:01:19 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] install defaults file? Message-ID: when you install / upgrade a port, sometimes there is a GUI menu to select options does anyone know the file the options are saved into? its not pkgtools.conf -- its somewhere else in the system. i once knew it, now i don't and its killing me. From lists at stringsutils.com Mon May 8 15:17:01 2006 From: lists at stringsutils.com (Francisco Reyes) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:17:01 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] what are your usefull hacks, the real simple ones References: <8c50a3c30605062321gdc9da09w4796a5b63b315304@mail.gmail.com> <445F562F.2000602@f2o.org> <20060508144237.GA17911@clam.khaoz.org> Message-ID: Okan Demirmen writes: > try jot(1) Nice. I always wonder how many gems like that one are hidding in the default distributions of the BSDs.. From anthony.elizondo at gmail.com Mon May 8 16:05:31 2006 From: anthony.elizondo at gmail.com (Anthony Elizondo) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:05:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] install defaults file? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5/8/06, Jonathan Vanasco wrote: > > when you install / upgrade a port, sometimes there is a GUI menu to > select options > > does anyone know the file the options are saved into? its not > pkgtools.conf -- its somewhere else in the system. i once knew it, > now i don't and its killing me. /var/db/ports, I believe. Anthony From lists at pastormac.org Mon May 8 18:58:50 2006 From: lists at pastormac.org (Pastor Mac) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:58:50 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] rec.humor.oracle Message-ID: <77082E9C-231A-43B1-B106-FFCD97BDDB9F@pastormac.org> No, not about the database platform but the one and only digital Omniscient One who zots at the least whisper of a woodch**ck...anyway, Orrie is falling on hard times with Usenet rapidly going the way of gopher, talk, etc. Short story is the Internet Oracle is losing it's long time Usenet home unless another Usenet newsmaster is willing to Steve Kinzler administer RHO. Here's the salient post today in the ng: Who reads the Oracularities in rec.humor.oracle? If you read the Oracularities in rec.humor.oracle, let me know your thoughts about discontinuing posting them there and switching to mail or web for the digests. Or, if you can offer the use of a reliable news server, perhaps we can continue by using that. Pax, Mike McDonald On OS X Jeep--the official H2 recovery vehicle. From mikel.king at ocsny.com Tue May 9 06:04:30 2006 From: mikel.king at ocsny.com (Mikel King) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 06:04:30 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE Message-ID: Just in case anyone missed it... http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.1R/announce.html m! From md+nycbug at mailq.de Tue May 9 10:51:51 2006 From: md+nycbug at mailq.de (Mischa Diehm) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:51:51 +0200 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ssh key db In-Reply-To: <20060505145506.GA26143@clam.khaoz.org> References: <0236EE84-7AD3-4C5C-BC3C-D7343D16D9BF@lesmuug.org> <20060505135346.GC15591@syntax.cyth.net> <445B62A3.4080008@sddi.net> <6C2A2BEC-EDA9-4FC5-A57E-09036D84D7BE@lesmuug.org> <445B64DD.4090501@sddi.net> <20060505145506.GA26143@clam.khaoz.org> Message-ID: <20060509145151.GC975@mailq.de> Moin, On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 10:55:06AM -0400, Okan Demirmen wrote: > > >> Mischa is here with me right now, and he says it is spelled right. . . > > >> however, it may not be up at Sourceforge yet. . . i asked the guys who initially wrote it and said they wanted to put it up to sourcefourge. Unfortunately they decided it has do be redesigned and modularized before they wanna make it public. Q: when will that be. A: when we have time. ... you know what that means. I'll keep you informed if anything comes up. Mischa -- If deadly radiation knocks on your door, do not answer! From ike at lesmuug.org Tue May 9 12:19:36 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:19:36 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yay! On May 9, 2006, at 6:04 AM, Mikel King wrote: > Just in case anyone missed it... > > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.1R/announce.html > > m! My .02?, I've been slamming RC1 and RC2 for weeks on dev boxes and they've both been rock solid. Did anyone notice that the new logo is finally creeping into the site too? :) Rocket- .ike From lists at genoverly.net Tue May 9 12:34:33 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 12:34:33 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060509123433.7227db45@wit.genoverly.home> On Tue, 9 May 2006 12:19:36 -0400 Isaac Levy wrote: > Did anyone notice that the new logo is finally creeping into the > site too? :) I did notice that javascript has crept into the site. (beastie wasn't evil until he started spitting hot java on me) -- Michael From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue May 9 12:53:46 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 09:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <20060509123433.7227db45@wit.genoverly.home> References: <20060509123433.7227db45@wit.genoverly.home> Message-ID: <62832.160.33.20.11.1147193626.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > On Tue, 9 May 2006 12:19:36 -0400 > Isaac Levy wrote: > >> Did anyone notice that the new logo is finally creeping into the >> site too? :) > > I did notice that javascript has crept into the site. > > (beastie wasn't evil until he started spitting hot java on me) > shudder ;) so, i've got a mirror up for nycbuger's. it's only serving up i386 and amd64 now, time/space permitting i'll throw up other iso's if there are requests. ftp to: mirrors.nycbug.org and, again a big thanks to NYI for donating space and bandwidth to the BSD community and NYCBUG! -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From tux at penguinnetwerx.net Tue May 9 13:10:07 2006 From: tux at penguinnetwerx.net (Kevin Reiter) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:10:07 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] install defaults file? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4460CCEF.6080009@penguinnetwerx.net> Jonathan Vanasco wrote: > when you install / upgrade a port, sometimes there is a GUI menu to > select options > > does anyone know the file the options are saved into? its not > pkgtools.conf -- its somewhere else in the system. i once knew it, > now i don't and its killing me. The "options" file lives in /var/db/ports/portname/ From anthony.elizondo at gmail.com Tue May 9 13:42:57 2006 From: anthony.elizondo at gmail.com (Anthony Elizondo) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:42:57 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Reading Solaris packages in FreeBSD Message-ID: I basically want to be able to peek into Solaris packages (SVR4 datastream files) on my FreeBSD machine. Is there a way to do that? I want to do the same thing as requested at http://www.sunmanagers.org/pipermail/summaries/2005-November/006890.html Anthony From mspitzer at gmail.com Tue May 9 14:07:00 2006 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:07:00 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Reading Solaris packages in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c50a3c30605091107k28110aabq3caf5910bd9dfdbd@mail.gmail.com> On 5/9/06, Anthony Elizondo wrote: > I basically want to be able to peek into Solaris packages (SVR4 > datastream files) on my FreeBSD machine. Is there a way to do that? > > I want to do the same thing as requested at > http://www.sunmanagers.org/pipermail/summaries/2005-November/006890.html > you could try cpio or pax, they might have some luck marc > Anthony > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > -- "We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization." -Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD From mspitzer at gmail.com Tue May 9 14:11:49 2006 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:11:49 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <62832.160.33.20.11.1147193626.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <20060509123433.7227db45@wit.genoverly.home> <62832.160.33.20.11.1147193626.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <8c50a3c30605091111r41804ebao5fb6f7906dc872f4@mail.gmail.com> On 5/9/06, Peter Wright wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 May 2006 12:19:36 -0400 > > Isaac Levy wrote: > > > >> Did anyone notice that the new logo is finally creeping into the > >> site too? :) > > > > I did notice that javascript has crept into the site. > > > > (beastie wasn't evil until he started spitting hot java on me) > > > > shudder ;) > > so, i've got a mirror up for nycbuger's. it's only serving up i386 and > amd64 now, time/space permitting i'll throw up other iso's if there are > requests. ftp to: > > mirrors.nycbug.org > > and, again a big thanks to NYI for donating space and bandwidth to the BSD > community and NYCBUG! any plans for cvsup, or would you like some help setting it up? marc -- "We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization." -Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue May 9 14:26:40 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30605091111r41804ebao5fb6f7906dc872f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060509123433.7227db45@wit.genoverly.home> <62832.160.33.20.11.1147193626.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <8c50a3c30605091111r41804ebao5fb6f7906dc872f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29862.160.33.20.11.1147199200.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > On 5/9/06, Peter Wright wrote: >> >> > On Tue, 9 May 2006 12:19:36 -0400 >> > Isaac Levy wrote: >> > >> >> Did anyone notice that the new logo is finally creeping into the >> >> site too? :) >> > >> > I did notice that javascript has crept into the site. >> > >> > (beastie wasn't evil until he started spitting hot java on me) >> > >> >> shudder ;) >> >> so, i've got a mirror up for nycbuger's. it's only serving up i386 and >> amd64 now, time/space permitting i'll throw up other iso's if there are >> requests. ftp to: >> >> mirrors.nycbug.org >> >> and, again a big thanks to NYI for donating space and bandwidth to the >> BSD >> community and NYCBUG! > > any plans for cvsup, or would you like some help setting it up? > oh yea we have plans for offering a full mirror of freebsd.org ;^) as of now, we are waiting on getting appropriate hardware for this mirror. we do have a lead we are working on, but if anyone would like to sponsor a disk subsystem, or server with RAID capabilities to NYCBUG let me know. the big picture is to have tier-1 mirrors for as many of the projects as possible. We already host ftp.nyc.openbsd.org in our colo cabinet, and FreeBSD will be the next step...followed by Net and other projects as time/hardware permits. -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From george at sddi.net Tue May 9 14:31:04 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 14:31:04 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <29862.160.33.20.11.1147199200.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <20060509123433.7227db45@wit.genoverly.home> <62832.160.33.20.11.1147193626.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <8c50a3c30605091111r41804ebao5fb6f7906dc872f4@mail.gmail.com> <29862.160.33.20.11.1147199200.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <4460DFE8.805@sddi.net> Peter Wright wrote: >> On 5/9/06, Peter Wright wrote: >>>> On Tue, 9 May 2006 12:19:36 -0400 >>>> Isaac Levy wrote: >>>> >>>>> Did anyone notice that the new logo is finally creeping into the >>>>> site too? :) >>>> I did notice that javascript has crept into the site. >>>> >>>> (beastie wasn't evil until he started spitting hot java on me) >>>> >>> shudder ;) >>> >>> so, i've got a mirror up for nycbuger's. it's only serving up i386 and >>> amd64 now, time/space permitting i'll throw up other iso's if there are >>> requests. ftp to: >>> >>> mirrors.nycbug.org >>> >>> and, again a big thanks to NYI for donating space and bandwidth to the >>> BSD >>> community and NYCBUG! >> any plans for cvsup, or would you like some help setting it up? >> > > oh yea we have plans for offering a full mirror of freebsd.org ;^) as of > now, we are waiting on getting appropriate hardware for this mirror. we > do have a lead we are working on, but if anyone would like to sponsor a > disk subsystem, or server with RAID capabilities to NYCBUG let me know. > > the big picture is to have tier-1 mirrors for as many of the projects as > possible. We already host ftp.nyc.openbsd.org in our colo cabinet, and > FreeBSD will be the next step...followed by Net and other projects as > time/hardware permits. > > -pete > > yes. .. in addition to various other projects such as Freesbie, etc. but the obsd mirror is actually ftp2.usa.openbsd.org. . . and apparently, it's so fast, that it gets lots of traffic from Canada. . . LOL g From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue May 9 14:43:06 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <4460DFE8.805@sddi.net> References: <20060509123433.7227db45@wit.genoverly.home> <62832.160.33.20.11.1147193626.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <8c50a3c30605091111r41804ebao5fb6f7906dc872f4@mail.gmail.com> <29862.160.33.20.11.1147199200.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <4460DFE8.805@sddi.net> Message-ID: <64553.160.33.20.11.1147200186.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > Peter Wright wrote: >>> On 5/9/06, Peter Wright wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 9 May 2006 12:19:36 -0400 >>>>> Isaac Levy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Did anyone notice that the new logo is finally creeping into the >>>>>> site too? :) >>>>> I did notice that javascript has crept into the site. >>>>> >>>>> (beastie wasn't evil until he started spitting hot java on me) >>>>> >>>> shudder ;) >>>> >>>> so, i've got a mirror up for nycbuger's. it's only serving up i386 >>>> and >>>> amd64 now, time/space permitting i'll throw up other iso's if there >>>> are >>>> requests. ftp to: >>>> >>>> mirrors.nycbug.org >>>> >>>> and, again a big thanks to NYI for donating space and bandwidth to the >>>> BSD >>>> community and NYCBUG! >>> any plans for cvsup, or would you like some help setting it up? >>> >> >> oh yea we have plans for offering a full mirror of freebsd.org ;^) as >> of >> now, we are waiting on getting appropriate hardware for this mirror. we >> do have a lead we are working on, but if anyone would like to sponsor a >> disk subsystem, or server with RAID capabilities to NYCBUG let me know. >> >> the big picture is to have tier-1 mirrors for as many of the projects as >> possible. We already host ftp.nyc.openbsd.org in our colo cabinet, and >> FreeBSD will be the next step...followed by Net and other projects as >> time/hardware permits. >> >> -pete >> >> > > yes. .. in addition to various other projects such as Freesbie, etc. > > > but the obsd mirror is actually ftp2.usa.openbsd.org. . . and > apparently, it's so fast, that it gets lots of traffic from Canada. . . > LOL > really that's awesome! they should update the openbsd mirror page then as it's listed as ftp.nyc.openbsd.org (still resolves though...) -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From mikel.king at ocsny.com Tue May 9 14:54:31 2006 From: mikel.king at ocsny.com (Mikel King) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:54:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30605091111r41804ebao5fb6f7906dc872f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060509123433.7227db45@wit.genoverly.home> <62832.160.33.20.11.1147193626.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <8c50a3c30605091111r41804ebao5fb6f7906dc872f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0EA48BC5-4220-4BE9-B4AF-384F663419C1@ocsny.com> On May 9, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Marc Spitzer wrote: > On 5/9/06, Peter Wright wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 9 May 2006 12:19:36 -0400 >>> Isaac Levy wrote: >>> >>>> Did anyone notice that the new logo is finally creeping into the >>>> site too? :) >>> >>> I did notice that javascript has crept into the site. >>> >>> (beastie wasn't evil until he started spitting hot java on me) >>> >> >> shudder ;) >> >> so, i've got a mirror up for nycbuger's. it's only serving up >> i386 and >> amd64 now, time/space permitting i'll throw up other iso's if >> there are >> requests. ftp to: >> >> mirrors.nycbug.org >> >> and, again a big thanks to NYI for donating space and bandwidth to >> the BSD >> community and NYCBUG! > > any plans for cvsup, or would you like some help setting it up? > > marc > cvsup.upan.org is available here in NYC. From mspitzer at gmail.com Tue May 9 15:07:26 2006 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:07:26 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <0EA48BC5-4220-4BE9-B4AF-384F663419C1@ocsny.com> References: <20060509123433.7227db45@wit.genoverly.home> <62832.160.33.20.11.1147193626.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <8c50a3c30605091111r41804ebao5fb6f7906dc872f4@mail.gmail.com> <0EA48BC5-4220-4BE9-B4AF-384F663419C1@ocsny.com> Message-ID: <8c50a3c30605091207p66914f37x4342d8316935d396@mail.gmail.com> On 5/9/06, Mikel King wrote: > > cvsup.upan.org is available here in NYC. > It worked. Thanks marc -- "We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization." -Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD From lists at stringsutils.com Tue May 9 18:40:48 2006 From: lists at stringsutils.com (Francisco Reyes) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 18:40:48 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE References: <20060509123433.7227db45@wit.genoverly.home> <62832.160.33.20.11.1147193626.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <8c50a3c30605091111r41804ebao5fb6f7906dc872f4@mail.gmail.com> <0EA48BC5-4220-4BE9-B4AF-384F663419C1@ocsny.com> Message-ID: Mikel King writes: > cvsup.upan.org is available here in NYC. Is that src only? ports too? From ike at lesmuug.org Tue May 9 18:48:34 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:48:34 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <20060509123433.7227db45@wit.genoverly.home> References: <20060509123433.7227db45@wit.genoverly.home> Message-ID: On May 9, 2006, at 12:34 PM, michael wrote: > I did notice that javascript has crept into the site. > > (beastie wasn't evil until he started spitting hot java on me) EEEEwww. Um, yeah. Eeeeeew. Where do we complain? -- Sidenote, conversely, the site worked just fine in lynx earlier when I was doing some installs/upgrades... :) Rocket- .ike From george at sddi.net Tue May 9 18:49:13 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 18:49:13 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] motherboard recommendation. . . Message-ID: <44611C69.5080203@sddi.net> Any recommendations for a 1u PIV motherboard with onboard raid and room for a riser card that will run FBSD? g From lists at stringsutils.com Tue May 9 19:09:15 2006 From: lists at stringsutils.com (Francisco Reyes) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 19:09:15 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE References: <20060509123433.7227db45@wit.genoverly.home> Message-ID: Isaac Levy writes: >> (beastie wasn't evil until he started spitting hot java on me) > > EEEEwww. > Um, yeah. Eeeeeew. Where do we complain? Hm... what page? Don't see any Javascript on the main page from Opera or Firefox. From mikel.king at ocsny.com Tue May 9 19:55:27 2006 From: mikel.king at ocsny.com (Mikel King) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 19:55:27 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: References: <20060509123433.7227db45@wit.genoverly.home> <62832.160.33.20.11.1147193626.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <8c50a3c30605091111r41804ebao5fb6f7906dc872f4@mail.gmail.com> <0EA48BC5-4220-4BE9-B4AF-384F663419C1@ocsny.com> Message-ID: <2D2776AF-AC87-410B-87D5-E7A82510E502@ocsny.com> On May 9, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Francisco Reyes wrote: > Mikel King writes: > >> cvsup.upan.org is available here in NYC. > > Is that src only? ports too? Yep ports too. From dan at langille.org Wed May 10 00:08:54 2006 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:08:54 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSDCan registration donatation Message-ID: <44612F16.18901.1AE8A604@dan.langille.org> Hi folks, Someone, who wishes to remain anonymous[1], has donated his (or her) BSDCan 2006 registration. It's fully paid. You just have to turn up and collect your registration pack. The deal also include a place to stay in residence (you'll be sharing the two bedroom suite with one other person). Basically, if you get yourself to Ottawa, you're in. Serious replies only, via email. I'll make a decision on Wednesday by about 3pm on this. If I get multiple replies, I will randomly select one. Sorry for the short notice. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com Wed May 10 21:48:42 2006 From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:48:42 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20B25849-38B4-43A3-AFD0-A35FD012E734@2xlp.com> On May 9, 2006, at 6:04 AM, Mikel King wrote: > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.1R/announce.html are there any performance studies on 61r vs 60 yet? From mikel.king at ocsny.com Wed May 10 22:06:56 2006 From: mikel.king at ocsny.com (Mikel King) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:06:56 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <20B25849-38B4-43A3-AFD0-A35FD012E734@2xlp.com> References: <20B25849-38B4-43A3-AFD0-A35FD012E734@2xlp.com> Message-ID: <22A4E847-E8F8-4A17-86F3-275FEAFB102F@ocsny.com> On May 10, 2006, at 9:48 PM, Jonathan wrote: > > On May 9, 2006, at 6:04 AM, Mikel King wrote: > >> http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.1R/announce.html > > are there any performance studies on 61r vs 60 yet? Hi Jonathan, None that I am away of but I'd be keen on your findings. m! From driodeiros at gmail.com Thu May 11 01:29:03 2006 From: driodeiros at gmail.com (David Rio Deiros) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:29:03 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Reading Solaris packages in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060511052902.GB16755@mail5.console.net> On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 01:42:57PM -0400, Anthony Elizondo wrote: > I basically want to be able to peek into Solaris packages (SVR4 > datastream files) on my FreeBSD machine. Is there a way to do that? Just open the pkg file with your favorite editor and take a look to the headers. There you will find all the information about the package, including the files it's going to install and the dependancies. Also, there is a tool called alien that supports pkg so you could convert the package to a tarball. Read this also: http://www.bolthole.com/solaris/makeapackage.html David From mikel.king at ocsny.com Thu May 11 14:13:00 2006 From: mikel.king at ocsny.com (Mikel King) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:13:00 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] AFS (Andrew File System) Article published on Daemon News Message-ID: AFS: network filesystem beyond NFS weaknesses (Dreyfus, Emmanuel) 200605 This interview of Ty Sarna about AFS (Andrew File System) by Emmanuel Dreyfus, covers a lot of ground. This rare glimpse, explains what you need to do to properly deploy AFS in most environments. You will discover the advantages of deploying AFS in lieu of NFS or CIFS (Samba) and it is actually an enjoyable read. http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200605/afs.html From ike at lesmuug.org Thu May 11 14:45:46 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:45:46 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] AFS (Andrew File System) Article published on Daemon News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <713A9EA7-F675-458B-BA0E-768AC2647271@lesmuug.org> Hi All, A humble question, but with regard to AFS/Coda 'where's the beef'? On May 11, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Mikel King wrote: > > AFS: network filesystem beyond NFS weaknesses (Dreyfus, Emmanuel) > 200605 > > This interview of Ty Sarna about AFS (Andrew File System) by Emmanuel > Dreyfus, covers a lot of ground. This rare glimpse, explains what you > need to do to properly deploy AFS in most environments. You will > discover the advantages of deploying AFS in lieu of NFS or CIFS > (Samba) and it is actually an enjoyable read. > > http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200605/afs.html I started going down the Coda/OpenAFS path a few months ago for a project, and wound up retreating. The features were all extremely compelling, as was the age (assumed software maturity) of the filesystem, but alas- I found both Coda and AFS to be extremely poorly implemented. For something as important as a filesystem, in my particular application/context, both AFS/Coda were unacceptably sloppy to work with- they felt like a houseplant occasionally tended by graduate students at various universities... With that, the concepts and features of AFS/Coda are all still very intriguing, as they solve problems I've traditionally handled on higher application levels combining network transacions and database repication in various forms- i.e. I *want* it to work. However, all that seems to really be great about AFS/Coda are glowing conceptual advertisements from exited academics, much like the interview posted here. Has anyone on this list had good experiences with Coda/AFS? Is anyone running it in some sort of production-grade enviornment? Does anyone have anything except horror stories from the big financial companies that have deployed it around town for years? Of course I'm not in any way intending this email to be inflammatory, but it's not just me, other trusted colleagues on various scales report sub-par experiences with AFS/Coda. Best, .ike From mspitzer at gmail.com Thu May 11 15:26:56 2006 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:26:56 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] AFS (Andrew File System) Article published on Daemon News In-Reply-To: <713A9EA7-F675-458B-BA0E-768AC2647271@lesmuug.org> References: <713A9EA7-F675-458B-BA0E-768AC2647271@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: <8c50a3c30605111226m7c362435n45807a73943d1037@mail.gmail.com> On 5/11/06, Isaac Levy wrote: > Hi All, > > > Has anyone on this list had good experiences with Coda/AFS? > Is anyone running it in some sort of production-grade enviornment? > Does anyone have anything except horror stories from the big > financial companies that have deployed it around town for years? Morgan stanley runs it for production. marc -- "We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization." -Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD From njt at ayvali.org Thu May 11 16:45:36 2006 From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:45:36 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] shelves for 2 post relay racks Message-ID: <20060511204536.GO20941@ayvali.org> Am in the market for shelves that will fit a standard (19") 2 post relay rack (not a cabinet!). Prefer local, since this is somewhat time sensitive, but willing to order online if it gets here quickly and the price is not too crazy. This will hold standard 1u FreeBSD servers, 24" deep. Am getting quotes from sales people for $90 shelves that can hold up to 80lb, so if some local places have something similar, that would be great. thanks, Thomas -- N.J. Thomas njt at ayvali.org Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo From njt at ayvali.org Thu May 11 16:48:41 2006 From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:48:41 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] AFS (Andrew File System) Article published on Daemon News In-Reply-To: <713A9EA7-F675-458B-BA0E-768AC2647271@lesmuug.org> References: <713A9EA7-F675-458B-BA0E-768AC2647271@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: <20060511204841.GP20941@ayvali.org> * Isaac Levy [2006-05-11 14:45:46 -0400]: > I found both Coda and AFS to be extremely poorly implemented. [...] > Does anyone have anything except horror stories from the big > financial companies that have deployed it around town for years? Strange, when the two guys from Morgan Stanley came to speak last year (Phil and Hildo), IIRC, they both had good things to say about AFS (or does my memory deceive me?) In fact, I had put AFS on my list of things to implement (in the long term) after what they both said. Thomas -- N.J. Thomas njt at ayvali.org Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo From alex at pilosoft.com Thu May 11 17:35:27 2006 From: alex at pilosoft.com (alex at pilosoft.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] shelves for 2 post relay racks In-Reply-To: <20060511204536.GO20941@ayvali.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 May 2006, N.J. Thomas wrote: > Am in the market for shelves that will fit a standard (19") 2 post relay > rack (not a cabinet!). Prefer local, since this is somewhat time > sensitive, but willing to order online if it gets here quickly and the > price is not too crazy. > > This will hold standard 1u FreeBSD servers, 24" deep. > > Am getting quotes from sales people for $90 shelves that can hold up to > 80lb, so if some local places have something similar, that would be > great. hit up grainger, they have a local depot out in crooklyn http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/productIndex.shtml?originalValue=shelf+rack&L2=Rack+Shelves&operator=prodIndexRefinementSearch&L1=Relay 90$ is assrape, you should be paying 40ish, from gruber -alex From spork at bway.net Thu May 11 17:40:48 2006 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] shelves for 2 post relay racks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 May 2006 alex at pilosoft.com wrote: > 90$ is assrape, you should be paying 40ish, from gruber Yeah, for $90 you could get a set of rack ears for a small Cisco router. :) (rimshot) > -alex > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From ike at lesmuug.org Thu May 11 17:56:23 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:56:23 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] shelves for 2 post relay racks In-Reply-To: <20060511204536.GO20941@ayvali.org> References: <20060511204536.GO20941@ayvali.org> Message-ID: <11483523-F146-4DA7-B017-3E8EC54792BA@lesmuug.org> Hi N.J., On May 11, 2006, at 4:45 PM, N.J. Thomas wrote: > Am in the market for shelves that will fit a standard (19") 2 post > relay > rack (not a cabinet!). Prefer local, since this is somewhat time > sensitive, but willing to order online if it gets here quickly and the > price is not too crazy. > > This will hold standard 1u FreeBSD servers, 24" deep. > > Am getting quotes from sales people for $90 shelves that can hold > up to > 80lb, so if some local places have something similar, that would be > great. > > thanks, > Thomas I've bought from these guys: http://racksolutions.com/relay-rack-shelf.shtml Rocket- .ike From jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com Thu May 11 19:05:25 2006 From: jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com (Jerry B. Altzman) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:05:25 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] shelves for 2 post relay racks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4463C335.90500@3phasecomputing.com> On 5/11/2006 5:35 PM, alex at pilosoft.com wrote: > On Thu, 11 May 2006, N.J. Thomas wrote: >> Am in the market for shelves that will fit a standard (19") 2 post relay >> rack (not a cabinet!). Prefer local, since this is somewhat time >> sensitive, but willing to order online if it gets here quickly and the >> price is not too crazy. >> This will hold standard 1u FreeBSD servers, 24" deep. >> Am getting quotes from sales people for $90 shelves that can hold up to >> 80lb, so if some local places have something similar, that would be >> great. > hit up grainger, they have a local depot out in crooklyn > http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/productIndex.shtml?originalValue=shelf+rack&L2=Rack+Shelves&operator=prodIndexRefinementSearch&L1=Relay Hell, even CDW is cheaper than that, for *APC* fercryinoutloud. > http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=441720 I personally have racked up many machines on these APC shelves and have not had a problem with them at all. $60 is reasonable. > 90$ is assrape, you should be paying 40ish, from gruber As Charles already pointed out, $90 is what you pay for Cisco ears, not shelves. > -alex //jbaltz -- jerry b. altzman jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com +1 718 763 7405 From alex at pilosoft.com Thu May 11 19:07:31 2006 From: alex at pilosoft.com (alex at pilosoft.com) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] shelves for 2 post relay racks In-Reply-To: <4463C335.90500@3phasecomputing.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 May 2006, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: > > hit up grainger, they have a local depot out in crooklyn > > http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/productIndex.shtml?originalValue=shelf+rack&L2=Rack+Shelves&operator=prodIndexRefinementSearch&L1=Relay > > Hell, even CDW is cheaper than that, for *APC* fercryinoutloud. > > http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=441720 grainger local. cdw not local > I personally have racked up many machines on these APC shelves and have > not had a problem with them at all. $60 is reasonable. > > > 90$ is assrape, you should be paying 40ish, from gruber > > As Charles already pointed out, $90 is what you pay for Cisco ears, not > shelves. www.rackears.com, most ears for 25$ http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:Mgm1qlLaeYkJ:www.rackears.com/+interpla,+inc&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3 site seems to be down, I'm not sure whats up with them. but it was a good source... -alex From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com Thu May 11 19:39:16 2006 From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:39:16 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] shelves for 2 post relay racks In-Reply-To: <4463C335.90500@3phasecomputing.com> References: <4463C335.90500@3phasecomputing.com> Message-ID: <19D4692F-FD6E-431F-A9EA-41EB8AC7A351@2xlp.com> On May 11, 2006, at 7:05 PM, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: > Hell, even CDW is cheaper than that, for *APC* fercryinoutloud. >> http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=441720 > I personally have racked up many machines on these APC shelves and > have > not had a problem with them at all. > $60 is reasonable. CDW is weird like that. I bought APC full shelves for an off-size 4 post rack from them last year for $29.95 each. They were way under list price and about 1/4 the price i could find from a competitor ( the office manager wanted the name brand ). I think CDW does this: mark something up to 200% msrp sell as much as you can any inventory that sits around for more than 3 years gets clearanced at cost . anyways, whenever i need something random i tend to check here: http://www.surpluscomputers.com/ found them through pricewatch a few years ago w/the best prices on a lot of really random items ( and awful prices on some not so-random items ). but their stock changes a lot , and every so often they'll have something like 1,000' cases of cat5e cables in stranded or solid for $35 including shipping or a rack system for 1/3 the msrp. | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | RoadSound.com / Indie-Rock.net | Collaborative Online Management And Syndication Tools | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From lists at genoverly.net Thu May 11 20:38:50 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:38:50 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] shelves for 2 post relay racks In-Reply-To: <19D4692F-FD6E-431F-A9EA-41EB8AC7A351@2xlp.com> References: <4463C335.90500@3phasecomputing.com> <19D4692F-FD6E-431F-A9EA-41EB8AC7A351@2xlp.com> Message-ID: <20060511203850.347160c9@wit.genoverly.home> On Thu, 11 May 2006 19:39:16 -0400 Jonathan Vanasco wrote: > http://www.surpluscomputers.com/ Oh, for the love of glazed donuts.. Why would they wrap their *entire* site in javascript?!? ppfftt.. Their site doesn't render in my browser. Garbage. I don't care how good their prices are. -- Michael From o_sleep at belovedarctos.com Thu May 11 20:46:51 2006 From: o_sleep at belovedarctos.com (Bjorn Nelson) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 20:46:51 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] AFS (Andrew File System) Article published on Daemon News In-Reply-To: <713A9EA7-F675-458B-BA0E-768AC2647271@lesmuug.org> References: <713A9EA7-F675-458B-BA0E-768AC2647271@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: Ike, On May 11, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Isaac Levy wrote: > A humble question, but with regard to AFS/Coda 'where's the beef'? I have used it but haven't actually implemented it so I only know it from a user point of view. For a replicated read only file system it's pretty stable, it only allows rights on one filesystem that is distributed to the read onlys. It also has built in directory based permissions acls. It basically takes the most restrictive of chmod for files and afs acl on the directory. It also maintains a cache of the mount locally so after the first read, it's as fast as being local. Nonetheless, I am kind of looking forward to the feature set of NFSv4. -Bjorn From ahpook at verizon.net Fri May 12 06:25:02 2006 From: ahpook at verizon.net (Ah Pook) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 06:25:02 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] shelves for 2 post relay racks In-Reply-To: <20060511203850.347160c9@wit.genoverly.home> References: <19D4692F-FD6E-431F-A9EA-41EB8AC7A351@2xlp.com> <20060511203850.347160c9@wit.genoverly.home> Message-ID: <200605120625.02495.ahpook@verizon.net> On Thursday 11 May 2006 8:38 pm, michael wrote: > Jonathan Vanasco wrote: > > http://www.surpluscomputers.com/ > > Oh, for the love of glazed donuts.. > Why would they wrap their *entire* site in javascript?!? > > ppfftt.. Their site doesn't render in my browser. Garbage. > I don't care how good their prices are. http://www.resellerratings.com/seller8196.html is a little scary too. Hmm. From tillman at seekingfire.com Mon May 15 15:32:58 2006 From: tillman at seekingfire.com (Tillman Hodgson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:32:58 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) Message-ID: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> Hi folks, I picked up an older VA Linux 4u rack-mount server with dual 450MHz CPUs and a nice DAC960-based hardware RAID controller and a stack of SCSI drives. I want to repalce some of my very-much-older hardware (decstation, SGI boxes and sparcs, mostly) that are performing simple tasks with this single box running Xen 2.0 (because that's what the NetBSD Xen port seems to make the easiest option). The services are all light-weight items (an NFS server, for example) and it makes sense to reduce my electrical bill at home. And Xen sounds neat to play with. I have my initial NetBSD install setup and I went to install grub. I should note that I switched from Linux to BSD back in the ays when lilo was the bootloader for most Linux distributions ... I've never used grub before. In any case, I don't think I did it right :-) The machine boots to what looks like the normal BSD bootloader, loads a kernel, then reboots. Rinse, wash, repeat. The reboot behaviour tells me that my attempt to install grub did /something/ to the boot sequence: it was booting fine before. But seeing the BSD bootloader instead of a grub prompt makes me believe that the install wasn't done right. Is there an easy way to recover from this? My thought was to boot from the install disk, get a shell, and re-install the BSD bootloader somehow, and try to recover from there. Perhaps it's an issue that I'm booting from a DAC960 virtual disk? (In NetBSD, it's the ld0 device). I trusted grub-install to come up with the device map, perhaps that's the problem. -T -- Scott> > > See attached. Scott> > I didn't attach it, did I? Scott> This is sad. - Scott, stuck in an infinite non-attaching mental loop :-) From alex at pilosoft.com Mon May 15 15:39:30 2006 From: alex at pilosoft.com (alex at pilosoft.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 May 2006, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > I picked up an older VA Linux 4u rack-mount server with dual 450MHz CPUs > and a nice DAC960-based hardware RAID controller and a stack of SCSI > drives. I want to repalce some of my very-much-older hardware > (decstation, SGI boxes and sparcs, mostly) that are performing simple > tasks with this single box running Xen 2.0 (because that's what the > NetBSD Xen port seems to make the easiest option). The services are all > light-weight items (an NFS server, for example) and it makes sense to > reduce my electrical bill at home. And Xen sounds neat to play with. Oh jebus. Get a ghetto dell P4/3ghz with an IDE drive for 500$, and it'll be far more power-efficient and an order of magnitude faster that the above. Of course, less of a 'omg look at all the prehistoric hardware i manage to keep running' factor. > I have my initial NetBSD install setup and I went to install grub. I > should note that I switched from Linux to BSD back in the ays when lilo > was the bootloader for most Linux distributions ... I've never used grub > before. In any case, I don't think I did it right :-) why are you using grub instead of bsd bootloader? > The machine boots to what looks like the normal BSD bootloader, loads a > kernel, then reboots. Rinse, wash, repeat. The reboot behaviour tells me > that my attempt to install grub did /something/ to the boot sequence: it > was booting fine before. But seeing the BSD bootloader instead of a grub > prompt makes me believe that the install wasn't done right. > > Is there an easy way to recover from this? My thought was to boot from > the install disk, get a shell, and re-install the BSD bootloader > somehow, and try to recover from there. yes, that's what you do. on freebsd, you use installboot to install bootloader. I don't know how it is on netbsd. > Perhaps it's an issue that I'm booting from a DAC960 virtual disk? (In > NetBSD, it's the ld0 device). I trusted grub-install to come up with the > device map, perhaps that's the problem. no, that's not an issue. From scottro at nyc.rr.com Mon May 15 15:52:38 2006 From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:52:38 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: <20060515195238.GA23231@uws1.starlofashions.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 01:32:58PM -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > Hi folks, > > > The machine boots to what looks like the normal BSD bootloader, loads a > kernel, then reboots. Rinse, wash, repeat. The reboot behaviour tells me > that my attempt to install grub did /something/ to the boot sequence: it > was booting fine before. But seeing the BSD bootloader instead of a grub > prompt makes me believe that the install wasn't done right. > > Is there an easy way to recover from this? My thought was to boot from > the install disk, get a shell, and re-install the BSD bootloader > somehow, and try to recover from there. > > Perhaps it's an issue that I'm booting from a DAC960 virtual disk? (In > NetBSD, it's the ld0 device). I trusted grub-install to come up with the > device map, perhaps that's the problem. Not having used Grub on NetBSD in awhile, I could easily be wrong about this. However, I remember there were some issues with it. Looking at an old grub page of mine, I see I was writing about NetBSD 1.6.1 :) At any rate, the old (and unmaintained) page is at http://home.nyc.rr.com/computertaijutsu/grub.html. There's a NetBSD section, see if it does you any good at all. (Although I fear it won't.) I should really put a note at the top of the page that it's been unmaintained for years now. > > -T > > > -- > Scott> > > See attached. > Scott> > I didn't attach it, did I? > Scott> This is sad. > - Scott, stuck in an infinite non-attaching mental loop :-) Hrrm, I don't know if the Scott of your sig is me, but it sure sounds like me. :) - -- Scott GPG KeyID EB3467D6 ( 1B848 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 D575 EB34 67D6) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Willow: Oz is a werewolf. Buffy: It's a long story. Oz: Got bit. Buffy: But obviously not that long. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEaNwG+lTVdes0Z9YRAt2fAKC+Fg5Vi/1MI7QWsySqsqpL+4pm3ACfRrPn PVV8eYyDp39fnTtaqEwcisU= =JvpV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tillman at seekingfire.com Mon May 15 16:18:38 2006 From: tillman at seekingfire.com (Tillman Hodgson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:18:38 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 03:39:30PM -0400, alex at pilosoft.com wrote: > On Mon, 15 May 2006, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > Oh jebus. Get a ghetto dell P4/3ghz with an IDE drive for 500$, and it'll > be far more power-efficient and an order of magnitude faster that the > above. Of course, less of a 'omg look at all the prehistoric hardware i > manage to keep running' factor. It's a sentimental thing -- it was the part of the first mail system at a provincial ISP I admin'ed back in '98. It's still vastly over-powered for the usage I have planned for it, and I have the other one for spares. > > I have my initial NetBSD install setup and I went to install grub. I > > should note that I switched from Linux to BSD back in the ays when lilo > > was the bootloader for most Linux distributions ... I've never used grub > > before. In any case, I don't think I did it right :-) > why are you using grub instead of bsd bootloader? http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/xen/howto.html See paragraph 2 under _http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/xen/howto.html_. > > Is there an easy way to recover from this? My thought was to boot from > > the install disk, get a shell, and re-install the BSD bootloader > > somehow, and try to recover from there. > yes, that's what you do. > > on freebsd, you use installboot to install bootloader. I don't know how it > is on netbsd. That binary doesn't exist on any of my FreeBSD machines. I assume you meant bsdlabel -B? Digging through the man pages, it looks like installboot is for NetBSD (which is what I'll need). I'll try that tonight, which will get me to a normal NetBSD 3.0 system. Getting to a domain0 system is the next step -- the NetBSD Xen HOWTO is missing a lot of details around the grub section. -T -- To imagine a human world without ethics, but in which life goes well, it is necessary to suppose a golden age: a world without competition, or causes of strife, or clashing desires, or envy or malice. -- Simon Blackburn (Ruling Passions) From tillman at seekingfire.com Mon May 15 16:26:36 2006 From: tillman at seekingfire.com (Tillman Hodgson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:26:36 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060515195238.GA23231@uws1.starlofashions.com> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515195238.GA23231@uws1.starlofashions.com> Message-ID: <20060515202636.GS9447@seekingfire.com> On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 03:52:38PM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote: > Not having used Grub on NetBSD in awhile, I could easily be wrong about > this. However, I remember there were some issues with it. Looking at > an old grub page of mine, I see I was writing about NetBSD 1.6.1 :) > > At any rate, the old (and unmaintained) page is at > http://home.nyc.rr.com/computertaijutsu/grub.html. There's a NetBSD > section, see if it does you any good at all. (Although I fear it > won't.) Hi Scott, long-time-no-chat :-) Thanks, I'll take a look at it. The non-Unixy device naming convention in grub is causing me to go slowly for fear a grue will eat me. > > -- > > Scott> > > See attached. > > Scott> > I didn't attach it, did I? > > Scott> This is sad. > > - Scott, stuck in an infinite non-attaching mental loop :-) > > Hrrm, I don't know if the Scott of your sig is me, but it sure sounds > like me. :) Scott Wunsch, actually, though it's probably a universal sentiment. There's newer quotes from that particular gang of characters at http://www.metanetwork.ca/bash/?p=highest, where Scott == the IRC nick 'Wunsch'. You're welcome to come and pester us online -- we'll try to rope you into our nomic game ;-) -T -- "There are two rules for success: 1) Never tell everything you know." -- Roger H. Lincoln From okan at demirmen.com Mon May 15 16:33:58 2006 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:33:58 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: <20060515203358.GA20274@clam.khaoz.org> what are you doing with the sparc 2/5/10/20? (whatever it is) okan From kit at kithalsted.com Mon May 15 16:50:06 2006 From: kit at kithalsted.com (Kit Halsted) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:50:06 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060515203358.GA20274@clam.khaoz.org> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515203358.GA20274@clam.khaoz.org> Message-ID: I have an old SS4, 110MHz, 160MB RAM, I'm about to part on eBay. Anybody want to buy it cheap or trade for an Athlon/Duron CPU or a pair of 100MHz bus P3s? Cheers, -Kit At 4:33 PM -0400 5/15/06, Okan Demirmen wrote: >what are you doing with the sparc 2/5/10/20? (whatever it is) > >okan From tillman at seekingfire.com Mon May 15 17:00:52 2006 From: tillman at seekingfire.com (Tillman Hodgson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:00:52 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060515203358.GA20274@clam.khaoz.org> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515203358.GA20274@clam.khaoz.org> Message-ID: <20060515210052.GT9447@seekingfire.com> On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 04:33:58PM -0400, Okan Demirmen wrote: > what are you doing with the sparc 2/5/10/20? (whatever it is) http://www.seekingfire.com/projects/e3hardware/utu/ It's a Sparcstation 10, mostly. Enough of the parts are interchangeable that it's kind of a merger between the 10 and a 20 "parts box" I had kicking around. Function-wise? It was hooked up via a SunSwift card to a DEC JBOD tower and used as an NFS server. -T -- There should be a science of discontent. People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles. - from "Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan From tux at penguinnetwerx.net Mon May 15 17:37:37 2006 From: tux at penguinnetwerx.net (Kevin Reiter) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:37:37 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] MRTG Question Message-ID: <4468F4A1.3090808@penguinnetwerx.net> All, After finding the time to finally get MRTG up and running on 6.0-RELEASE, I'm seeing a lot of this every few minutes: Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't remove cerberus_1.old updating log file Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_1.log to cerberus_1.old updating log file Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_1.tmp to cerberus_1.log updating log file Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't remove cerberus_2.old updating log file Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_2.log to cerberus_2.old updating log file Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_2.tmp to cerberus_2.log updating log file I've read in the docs that this is normal the first few times MRTG is started, but it's been restarted/stopped about a dozen times now over the past few hours. I've also checked all the permissions on all the files to make sure they're owned by mrtg:mrtg Any ideas what's going on? Thanks, Kev From okan at demirmen.com Mon May 15 18:10:12 2006 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:10:12 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] MRTG Question In-Reply-To: <4468F4A1.3090808@penguinnetwerx.net> References: <4468F4A1.3090808@penguinnetwerx.net> Message-ID: <20060515221012.GA11294@clam.khaoz.org> On Mon 2006.05.15 at 17:37 -0400, Kevin Reiter wrote: > All, > > After finding the time to finally get MRTG up and running on > 6.0-RELEASE, I'm seeing a lot of this every few minutes: > > Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't remove cerberus_1.old > updating log file > Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_1.log to > cerberus_1.old updating log file > Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_1.tmp to > cerberus_1.log updating log file > Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't remove cerberus_2.old > updating log file > Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_2.log to > cerberus_2.old updating log file > Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_2.tmp to > cerberus_2.log updating log file > > I've read in the docs that this is normal the first few times MRTG is > started, but it's been restarted/stopped about a dozen times now over > the past few hours. I've also checked all the permissions on all the > files to make sure they're owned by mrtg:mrtg > > Any ideas what's going on? you've checked the files, what about the dir itself? From okan at demirmen.com Mon May 15 18:11:12 2006 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:11:12 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060515210052.GT9447@seekingfire.com> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515203358.GA20274@clam.khaoz.org> <20060515210052.GT9447@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: <20060515221112.GB11294@clam.khaoz.org> On Mon 2006.05.15 at 15:00 -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 04:33:58PM -0400, Okan Demirmen wrote: > > what are you doing with the sparc 2/5/10/20? (whatever it is) > > http://www.seekingfire.com/projects/e3hardware/utu/ > > It's a Sparcstation 10, mostly. Enough of the parts are interchangeable > that it's kind of a merger between the 10 and a 20 "parts box" I had > kicking around. Function-wise? It was hooked up via a SunSwift card to a > DEC JBOD tower and used as an NFS server. uhm, i'm considering finding one of those on the street or so ... just need the case really ;) From tux at penguinnetwerx.net Mon May 15 18:22:27 2006 From: tux at penguinnetwerx.net (Kevin Reiter) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:22:27 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] MRTG Question In-Reply-To: <20060515221012.GA11294@clam.khaoz.org> References: <4468F4A1.3090808@penguinnetwerx.net> <20060515221012.GA11294@clam.khaoz.org> Message-ID: <4468FF23.8040809@penguinnetwerx.net> Okan Demirmen wrote: > On Mon 2006.05.15 at 17:37 -0400, Kevin Reiter wrote: >> All, >> >> After finding the time to finally get MRTG up and running on >> 6.0-RELEASE, I'm seeing a lot of this every few minutes: >> >> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't remove cerberus_1.old >> updating log file >> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_1.log to >> cerberus_1.old updating log file >> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_1.tmp to >> cerberus_1.log updating log file >> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't remove cerberus_2.old >> updating log file >> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_2.log to >> cerberus_2.old updating log file >> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_2.tmp to >> cerberus_2.log updating log file >> >> I've read in the docs that this is normal the first few times MRTG is >> started, but it's been restarted/stopped about a dozen times now over >> the past few hours. I've also checked all the permissions on all the >> files to make sure they're owned by mrtg:mrtg >> >> Any ideas what's going on? > > you've checked the files, what about the dir itself? yup.. owned by mrtg:mrtg From lists at genoverly.net Mon May 15 18:56:12 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:56:12 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fw: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, May 15 Message-ID: <20060515185612.64c4a4df@wit.genoverly.home> ========================== Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:07:33 -0700 Subject: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, May 15 ================================================================ O'Reilly News for User Group Members May 15, 2006 ================================================================ ---------------------------------------------------------------- New Releases ---------------------------------------------------------------- -The Art of Software Process Improvement -Build Your Own Website The Right Way Using HTML & CSS -Building Scalable Web Sites -DNS and BIND, Fifth Edition -Enterprise JavaBeans 3.0, Fifth Edition -Enterprise SOA -iMovie 6 & iDVD: The Missing Manual -IPv6 Essentials, Second Edition -It's Never Done That Before -Java I/O, Second Edition -Learning PHP and MySQL -MCSE Core Required Exams in a Nutshell, Third Edition -Perl Hacks -Rails Recipes -Scripting for Testers -Statistics Hacks -Syngress IT Security Project Management Handbook -VB 2005 Black Book -Video Conferencing over IP ---------------------------------------------------------------- Upcoming Events ---------------------------------------------------------------- -O'Reilly at SANE 2006, Delft, The Netherlands--May 15-19 -O'Reilly at XTech 2006: "Building Web 2.0," Amsterdam--May 16-19 -O'Reilly at JavaOne, San Francisco, CA--May 16-19 -Peter Krogh at the American Society of Picture Professionals, Fairfax, VA--May 17 -Peter Morville at Enterprise Search Summit 2006, New York--May 23-24 -Stephen Few at Technology Transfer, Italy--May 24-26 -Eddie Tapp Photo Workshop, Palo Alto, CA--May 24 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Conference News ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Register for OSCON, July 24-28--Portland,OR -Register for the Where 2.0 Conference, June 13-14--San Jose, CA ---------------------------------------------------------------- News ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Scan, Open, & Print Money with dekePod -Announcing the 2006 O?Reilly Photoshop Cook-Off -For SARS Press 1, for Bird Flu Press 2... -BSD Certification Group Inc. 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(DTF 05-01-2006: 19 minutes 55 seconds) ***Make Video Podcast: Andrew Filo's Rocket Belt For more Maker Faire coverage, go to: ================================================================ O'Reilly 1005 Gravenstein Highway North Sebastopol, CA 95472 http://ug.oreilly.com/ http://ug.oreilly.com/creativemedia/ ================================================================ -- Michael From o_sleep at belovedarctos.com Mon May 15 19:16:21 2006 From: o_sleep at belovedarctos.com (Bjorn Nelson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:16:21 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] MRTG Question In-Reply-To: <4468FF23.8040809@penguinnetwerx.net> References: <4468F4A1.3090808@penguinnetwerx.net> <20060515221012.GA11294@clam.khaoz.org> <4468FF23.8040809@penguinnetwerx.net> Message-ID: <15E89D0F-649E-4924-833A-D0D97E0F7765@belovedarctos.com> Kevin, On May 15, 2006, at 6:22 PM, Kevin Reiter wrote: > Okan Demirmen wrote: >> On Mon 2006.05.15 at 17:37 -0400, Kevin Reiter wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> After finding the time to finally get MRTG up and running on >>> 6.0-RELEASE, I'm seeing a lot of this every few minutes: >>> >>> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't remove cerberus_1.old >>> updating log file >>> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_1.log to >>> cerberus_1.old updating log file >>> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_1.tmp to >>> cerberus_1.log updating log file >>> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't remove cerberus_2.old >>> updating log file >>> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_2.log to >>> cerberus_2.old updating log file >>> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_2.tmp to >>> cerberus_2.log updating log file >>> >>> I've read in the docs that this is normal the first few times >>> MRTG is >>> started, but it's been restarted/stopped about a dozen times now >>> over >>> the past few hours. I've also checked all the permissions on all >>> the >>> files to make sure they're owned by mrtg:mrtg >>> >>> Any ideas what's going on? >> >> you've checked the files, what about the dir itself? > > yup.. owned by mrtg:mrtg Are you running as mrtg in cron? -Bjorn From tillman at seekingfire.com Mon May 15 19:48:31 2006 From: tillman at seekingfire.com (Tillman Hodgson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:48:31 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060515221112.GB11294@clam.khaoz.org> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515203358.GA20274@clam.khaoz.org> <20060515210052.GT9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515221112.GB11294@clam.khaoz.org> Message-ID: <20060515234831.GY9447@seekingfire.com> On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 06:11:12PM -0400, Okan Demirmen wrote: > On Mon 2006.05.15 at 15:00 -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 04:33:58PM -0400, Okan Demirmen wrote: > > > what are you doing with the sparc 2/5/10/20? (whatever it is) > > > > http://www.seekingfire.com/projects/e3hardware/utu/ > > > > It's a Sparcstation 10, mostly. Enough of the parts are interchangeable > > that it's kind of a merger between the 10 and a 20 "parts box" I had > > kicking around. Function-wise? It was hooked up via a SunSwift card to a > > DEC JBOD tower and used as an NFS server. > > uhm, i'm considering finding one of those on the street or so ... just > need the case really ;) Oh! It might cost a bit to ship from Canada, but if you're having a hard time finding one locally we can certainly make it happen :-) -T -- If you scramble about in search of inner peace, you will lose your inner peace. Lao-Tzu From dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca Mon May 15 20:42:49 2006 From: dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca (Dru) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSDCan/OSW pics Message-ID: <20060515204007.B614@dru.domain.org> The ones of Tux at the BSD booth are cute :-) http://putfile.com/dru123/images Dru P.S. Scott Murphy and Diane Bruce of Ottawa took the pics. I'll be hyperlinking the URLs to all of their pics on my blog once ITToolbox is back up. From tux at penguinnetwerx.net Mon May 15 23:54:08 2006 From: tux at penguinnetwerx.net (Kevin Reiter) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 23:54:08 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] MRTG Question In-Reply-To: <15E89D0F-649E-4924-833A-D0D97E0F7765@belovedarctos.com> References: <4468F4A1.3090808@penguinnetwerx.net> <20060515221012.GA11294@clam.khaoz.org> <4468FF23.8040809@penguinnetwerx.net> <15E89D0F-649E-4924-833A-D0D97E0F7765@belovedarctos.com> Message-ID: <44694CE0.8030205@penguinnetwerx.net> Bjorn Nelson wrote: > Kevin, > > On May 15, 2006, at 6:22 PM, Kevin Reiter wrote: > >> Okan Demirmen wrote: >>> On Mon 2006.05.15 at 17:37 -0400, Kevin Reiter wrote: >>>> All, >>>> >>>> After finding the time to finally get MRTG up and running on >>>> 6.0-RELEASE, I'm seeing a lot of this every few minutes: >>>> >>>> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't remove cerberus_1.old >>>> updating log file >>>> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_1.log to >>>> cerberus_1.old updating log file >>>> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_1.tmp to >>>> cerberus_1.log updating log file >>>> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't remove cerberus_2.old >>>> updating log file >>>> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_2.log to >>>> cerberus_2.old updating log file >>>> Rateup WARNING: /usr/local/bin/rateup Can't rename cerberus_2.tmp to >>>> cerberus_2.log updating log file >>>> >>>> I've read in the docs that this is normal the first few times MRTG is >>>> started, but it's been restarted/stopped about a dozen times now over >>>> the past few hours. I've also checked all the permissions on all the >>>> files to make sure they're owned by mrtg:mrtg >>>> >>>> Any ideas what's going on? >>> >>> you've checked the files, what about the dir itself? >> >> yup.. owned by mrtg:mrtg Found the problem. I had made changes to the /usr/local/www/data/ directory so I could modify a few files in another directory and forgot to change the perms back. The directory wasn't owned by mrtg, which was causing the error notifications. Once I changed it back, they went away. Thanks for the tips. Kev From okan at demirmen.com Tue May 16 11:20:52 2006 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:20:52 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060515234831.GY9447@seekingfire.com> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515203358.GA20274@clam.khaoz.org> <20060515210052.GT9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515221112.GB11294@clam.khaoz.org> <20060515234831.GY9447@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: <20060516152052.GA20964@clam.khaoz.org> On Mon 2006.05.15 at 17:48 -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 06:11:12PM -0400, Okan Demirmen wrote: > > On Mon 2006.05.15 at 15:00 -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > > > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 04:33:58PM -0400, Okan Demirmen wrote: > > > > what are you doing with the sparc 2/5/10/20? (whatever it is) > > > > > > http://www.seekingfire.com/projects/e3hardware/utu/ > > > > > > It's a Sparcstation 10, mostly. Enough of the parts are interchangeable > > > that it's kind of a merger between the 10 and a 20 "parts box" I had > > > kicking around. Function-wise? It was hooked up via a SunSwift card to a > > > DEC JBOD tower and used as an NFS server. > > > > uhm, i'm considering finding one of those on the street or so ... just > > need the case really ;) > > Oh! It might cost a bit to ship from Canada, but if you're having a hard > time finding one locally we can certainly make it happen :-) yikes! i keep forgetting that we reach further than the local region ;) ...it's just a small project i was going to attempt - and i've been kicking myself for tossing the various sun pizza boxes i've had over the years. thanks anyway though. cheers, okan From tillman at seekingfire.com Tue May 16 11:52:16 2006 From: tillman at seekingfire.com (Tillman Hodgson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:52:16 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060516152052.GA20964@clam.khaoz.org> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515203358.GA20274@clam.khaoz.org> <20060515210052.GT9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515221112.GB11294@clam.khaoz.org> <20060515234831.GY9447@seekingfire.com> <20060516152052.GA20964@clam.khaoz.org> Message-ID: <20060516155216.GJ9447@seekingfire.com> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:20:52AM -0400, Okan Demirmen wrote: > yikes! i keep forgetting that we reach further than the local region ;) Heh. It's the best BUG I've found. First heard about it in one of Dru's articles, I think. I'm not too active on the list but I try to keep up with the threads. -T -- I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it. - A.S.R. quote (Lieven Marchand) From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue May 16 12:47:46 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] google wierdness Message-ID: <54800.160.33.20.11.1147798066.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> hey is it just me or is this URL not working anymore? www.google.com/bsd yet www.google.com/microsoft.html && google.com/mac.html both still work. lame. google.com/bsd.html does not exist...i hope this is just an issue with the west coast servers... -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From okan at demirmen.com Tue May 16 12:53:56 2006 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:53:56 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] google wierdness In-Reply-To: <54800.160.33.20.11.1147798066.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <54800.160.33.20.11.1147798066.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20060516165356.GA32680@clam.khaoz.org> On Tue 2006.05.16 at 09:47 -0700, Peter Wright wrote: > > hey is it just me or is this URL not working anymore? > > www.google.com/bsd > > yet > www.google.com/microsoft.html && google.com/mac.html both still work. lame. > > > google.com/bsd.html does not exist...i hope this is just an issue with the > west coast servers... works from here ;) From nycbug at cyth.net Tue May 16 12:54:39 2006 From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:53:39 -0401 Subject: [nycbug-talk] google wierdness In-Reply-To: <54800.160.33.20.11.1147798066.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <54800.160.33.20.11.1147798066.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20060516165402.GD23099@syntax.cyth.net> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 09:47:46AM -0700, Peter Wright wrote: > > hey is it just me or is this URL not working anymore? > > www.google.com/bsd This... > yet > www.google.com/microsoft.html && google.com/mac.html both still work. lame. > > > google.com/bsd.html does not exist...i hope this is just an issue with the > west coast servers... ...and this are different. The former works for me. -Ray- From kit at kithalsted.com Tue May 16 13:00:02 2006 From: kit at kithalsted.com (Kit Halsted) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:00:02 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] google wierdness In-Reply-To: <54800.160.33.20.11.1147798066.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <54800.160.33.20.11.1147798066.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: Here on the East Coast, I get a page with Beastie in the Google logo. Putting "pete wright" (with quotes) in the search box on that page turns up 782 results. :) HTH, -Kit At 9:47 AM -0700 5/16/06, Peter Wright wrote: >hey is it just me or is this URL not working anymore? > >www.google.com/bsd > >yet >www.google.com/microsoft.html && google.com/mac.html both still work. lame. > > >google.com/bsd.html does not exist...i hope this is just an issue with the >west coast servers... -- Kit Halsted Computers & Networking 917-903-9438 kit at kithalsted.com From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue May 16 13:03:07 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] google wierdness In-Reply-To: <20060516165402.GD23099@syntax.cyth.net> References: <54800.160.33.20.11.1147798066.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <20060516165402.GD23099@syntax.cyth.net> Message-ID: <23572.160.33.20.11.1147798987.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 09:47:46AM -0700, Peter Wright wrote: >> >> hey is it just me or is this URL not working anymore? >> >> www.google.com/bsd > > This... > >> yet >> www.google.com/microsoft.html && google.com/mac.html both still work. >> lame. >> >> >> google.com/bsd.html does not exist...i hope this is just an issue with >> the >> west coast servers... > > ...and this are different. The former works for me. > yea, i would expect google.com/bsd to work and google.com/mac to work. for me on the left coast google.com/mac.html works while google.com/mac does not work. ok, atleast i know they are not pulling these pages (i hope). thanks! -pete > -Ray- > -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com Tue May 16 14:13:40 2006 From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:13:40 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] google wierdness In-Reply-To: <54800.160.33.20.11.1147798066.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <54800.160.33.20.11.1147798066.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <25C52A00-F558-4688-92D5-85FD801F6D4A@2xlp.com> Google was having some weird issues this week. Yesterday, I think their authentication servers were down for about an hour. Friends on the west coast were fine, but most people I knew on the east coast couldn't use google for about an hour if they had a google cookie in their browser and were signed into google w/an account. If you took the cookie out, you were fine -- but couldn't log in. On Saturday, the web interface to groups started doubleposting items, then went down for a bit, and came back posting an entire queue of messages that were submitted. Very odd. At first I thought people hit submit 2x when stuff didn't go though, but something I know I hit submit once on showed up as a double post with the same timestamp. I never saw their network act weird before, and then all of the sudden 2x in one week. I think they're either having some hardware failures or were rerouting a their network and everything got out of sync. | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | RoadSound.com / Indie-Rock.net | Collaborative Online Management And Syndication Tools | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From okan at demirmen.com Tue May 16 14:29:13 2006 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:29:13 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] google wierdness In-Reply-To: <25C52A00-F558-4688-92D5-85FD801F6D4A@2xlp.com> References: <54800.160.33.20.11.1147798066.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <25C52A00-F558-4688-92D5-85FD801F6D4A@2xlp.com> Message-ID: <20060516182913.GA20779@clam.khaoz.org> DO NOT quote me on *any* of this, but i've heard through the grapevine why gmail and friends are still "beta" - it seems the outstanding issue is data center failover - apparently not working as expected - hence "beta". they could be testing failover and whatnot which would possibly explain the "weird" issues as of late. again, i have NO firsthand (or secondhand) knowledge that this (or that) is the case. From fungus at aros.net Tue May 16 14:40:43 2006 From: fungus at aros.net (Lonnie Olson) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:40:43 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] google wierdness In-Reply-To: <23572.160.33.20.11.1147798987.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <54800.160.33.20.11.1147798066.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <20060516165402.GD23099@syntax.cyth.net> <23572.160.33.20.11.1147798987.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <302E9548-C8E2-449A-A26D-D6C9A540B081@aros.net> On May 16, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Peter Wright wrote: > > yea, i would expect google.com/bsd to work and google.com/mac to work. > for me on the left coast google.com/mac.html works while google.com/ > mac > does not work. IMHO this has nothing to do with what coast you are on. Officially they have funny URLs for their different searches. http://www.google.com/options/specialsearches.html This page links to: http://www.google.com/unclesam http://www.google.com/linux http://www.google.com/bsd http://www.google.com/mac.html http://www.google.com/microsoft.html Why the weirdness with mac and microsoft searches? I have no idea. They both work using their non ".html" counterparts. --lonnie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2593 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue May 16 14:48:43 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] google wierdness In-Reply-To: <302E9548-C8E2-449A-A26D-D6C9A540B081@aros.net> References: <54800.160.33.20.11.1147798066.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <20060516165402.GD23099@syntax.cyth.net> <23572.160.33.20.11.1147798987.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <302E9548-C8E2-449A-A26D-D6C9A540B081@aros.net> Message-ID: <16431.160.33.20.11.1147805323.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > > On May 16, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Peter Wright wrote: >> >> yea, i would expect google.com/bsd to work and google.com/mac to work. >> for me on the left coast google.com/mac.html works while google.com/ >> mac >> does not work. > > IMHO this has nothing to do with what coast you are on. > > Officially they have funny URLs for their different searches. > http://www.google.com/options/specialsearches.html > > This page links to: > http://www.google.com/unclesam > http://www.google.com/linux > http://www.google.com/bsd > http://www.google.com/mac.html > http://www.google.com/microsoft.html > > Why the weirdness with mac and microsoft searches? I have no idea. > They both work using their non ".html" counterparts. > well, in any event everything is working as expected now. the reason i suspected the coast was an issue was that i suspected the datacenter closest to me (most likely san jose) was out of sync with the nyc data center. -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From george at galis.org Tue May 16 18:53:22 2006 From: george at galis.org (George Georgalis) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:53:22 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ftp mirror... Message-ID: <20060516225322.GB20@run.galis.org> What's a good program to "rsync ftp"? I have to push out website changes where I only have ftp access. Was intending to use "mirror" but now, at the deployment stage it seems mirror only does pull. As I'm writing this, I think ncftp3 has a recursive put, bet that would work. What would you use? to push only changes, new files, make deletes... // George -- George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator < http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org From rambiusparkisanius at gmail.com Tue May 16 19:02:35 2006 From: rambiusparkisanius at gmail.com (Ivan "Rambius" Ivanov) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:02:35 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ftp mirror... In-Reply-To: <20060516225322.GB20@run.galis.org> References: <20060516225322.GB20@run.galis.org> Message-ID: <89ce7f740605161602o1ee04510v7801a708568d0d73@mail.gmail.com> Hello, On 5/16/06, George Georgalis wrote: > What's a good program to "rsync ftp"? > > I have to push out website changes where I only have ftp access. > Was intending to use "mirror" but now, at the deployment stage > it seems mirror only does pull. As I'm writing this, I think > ncftp3 has a recursive put, bet that would work. > > What would you use? to push only changes, new files, make > deletes... I was using sitecopy [1] for some time and I was pretty satisfied by it. It supports FTP as well as WebDAV. Regards Rambius -- Tangra Mega Rock: http://www.radiotangra.com From rambiusparkisanius at gmail.com Tue May 16 19:03:43 2006 From: rambiusparkisanius at gmail.com (Ivan "Rambius" Ivanov) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:03:43 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ftp mirror... In-Reply-To: <89ce7f740605161602o1ee04510v7801a708568d0d73@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060516225322.GB20@run.galis.org> <89ce7f740605161602o1ee04510v7801a708568d0d73@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <89ce7f740605161603u2dd338cld4d8f15880b5e80b@mail.gmail.com> On 5/16/06, Ivan Rambius Ivanov wrote: > Hello, > > On 5/16/06, George Georgalis wrote: > > What's a good program to "rsync ftp"? > > > > I have to push out website changes where I only have ftp access. > > Was intending to use "mirror" but now, at the deployment stage > > it seems mirror only does pull. As I'm writing this, I think > > ncftp3 has a recursive put, bet that would work. > > > > What would you use? to push only changes, new files, make > > deletes... > > I was using sitecopy [1] for some time and I was pretty satisfied by > it. It supports FTP as well as WebDAV. I forgot to send you the link: http://www.lyra.org/sitecopy/ -- Tangra Mega Rock: http://www.radiotangra.com From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com Tue May 16 19:18:50 2006 From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:18:50 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ftp mirror... In-Reply-To: <20060516225322.GB20@run.galis.org> References: <20060516225322.GB20@run.galis.org> Message-ID: <9080ADA7-079E-4BD9-A50E-18FA89BF09FB@2xlp.com> On May 16, 2006, at 6:53 PM, George Georgalis wrote: > What's a good program to "rsync ftp"? > > I have to push out website changes where I only have ftp access. > Was intending to use "mirror" but now, at the deployment stage > it seems mirror only does pull. As I'm writing this, I think > ncftp3 has a recursive put, bet that would work. > > What would you use? to push only changes, new files, make > deletes... > > // George > In the past, I've written a script that automates pulling/deleting everything ( perl / python / php / whatever ) , run it as a cgi by hitting a url, then remove it. From george at galis.org Tue May 16 19:38:48 2006 From: george at galis.org (George Georgalis) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:38:48 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ftp mirror... In-Reply-To: <9080ADA7-079E-4BD9-A50E-18FA89BF09FB@2xlp.com> References: <20060516225322.GB20@run.galis.org> <9080ADA7-079E-4BD9-A50E-18FA89BF09FB@2xlp.com> Message-ID: <20060516233848.GC20@run.galis.org> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 07:18:50PM -0400, Jonathan Vanasco wrote: > >On May 16, 2006, at 6:53 PM, George Georgalis wrote: > >> What's a good program to "rsync ftp"? >> >> I have to push out website changes where I only have ftp access. >> Was intending to use "mirror" but now, at the deployment stage >> it seems mirror only does pull. As I'm writing this, I think >> ncftp3 has a recursive put, bet that would work. >> >> What would you use? to push only changes, new files, make >> deletes... >> >> // George >> > >In the past, I've written a script that automates pulling/deleting >everything ( perl / python / php / whatever ) , run it as a cgi by >hitting a url, then remove it. I could sell you 4 wheels to match the ones on your car? ...or show us the code :) ...ultimately each domain will have a makefile with a target to sync it, where it belongs, from the staging box. looks like sitecopy will work fine, odd that the sitecopy doc indicates mirror will work in a push configuration but I don't see any mirror doc on how to configure it for that. sitecopy seems simpler = better. // George -- George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator < http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org From lists at genoverly.net Tue May 16 19:46:24 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:46:24 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] WLAN support in OpenBSD slides Message-ID: <20060516194624.6796fc31@wit.genoverly.home> readers of misc@ probably saw this but.. WLAN support in OpenBSD http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan06-wlan/index.html -- Michael From dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca Tue May 16 20:04:46 2006 From: dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca (Dru) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] WLAN support in OpenBSD slides In-Reply-To: <20060516194624.6796fc31@wit.genoverly.home> References: <20060516194624.6796fc31@wit.genoverly.home> Message-ID: <20060516200430.X532@dru.domain.org> On Tue, 16 May 2006, michael wrote: > readers of misc@ probably saw this but.. > > WLAN support in OpenBSD > http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan06-wlan/index.html I saw the same talk in England--it is very good. Dru From riegersteve at gmail.com Tue May 16 21:49:36 2006 From: riegersteve at gmail.com (Steve Rieger) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:49:36 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ftp mirror... In-Reply-To: <20060516225322.GB20@run.galis.org> References: <20060516225322.GB20@run.galis.org> Message-ID: On May 16, 2006, at 3:53 PM, George Georgalis wrote: > What's a good program to "rsync ftp"? > > I have to push out website changes where I only have ftp access. > Was intending to use "mirror" but now, at the deployment stage > it seems mirror only does pull. As I'm writing this, I think > ncftp3 has a recursive put, bet that would work. > > What would you use? to push only changes, new files, make > deletes... > > // George > wput comes to mind. From spork at bway.net Wed May 17 00:42:41 2006 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] upgrading perl and all deps (FreeBSD) Message-ID: Hi all, Just curious what folks here do that have perl installed from ports and have a large number of dependencies... A good example would be something like SpamAssassin (have a look at it with 'pkg_tree -v p5-Mail-SpamAssassin'). If you make the mistake of just running portupgrade on perl, you end up with quite a mess - portupgrade will fix up the dependencies in the pkg db, but it will basically break all your modules since the location of the modules changes with each version of perl. You would then have to "portupgrade -f p5-*" to rebuild/uninstall/reinstall everything. Running "portupgrade -rf perl-5.8.x" seems to generally work well. But is there any better way I'm missing? The main drawback here is that if you don't have a dedicated build host, you have perl unavailable for a pretty sizable length of time... Thanks, Charles From mspitzer at gmail.com Wed May 17 01:15:58 2006 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 01:15:58 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] upgrading perl and all deps (FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c50a3c30605162215nbca5404g5e6ba201bc0eef37@mail.gmail.com> On 5/17/06, Charles Sprickman wrote: > But is there any better way I'm missing? The main drawback here is that > if you don't have a dedicated build host, you have perl unavailable for a > pretty sizable length of time... > That is when I wish perl had startkts, http://www.equi4.com/starkit.html marc _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > -- "We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization." -Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD From riegersteve at gmail.com Wed May 17 01:21:23 2006 From: riegersteve at gmail.com (Steve Rieger) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 22:21:23 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] upgrading perl and all deps (FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 16, 2006, at 9:42 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > Hi all, > > Just curious what folks here do that have perl installed from ports > and > have a large number of dependencies... A good example would be > something > like SpamAssassin (have a look at it with 'pkg_tree -v > p5-Mail-SpamAssassin'). > > If you make the mistake of just running portupgrade on perl, you > end up > with quite a mess - portupgrade will fix up the dependencies in the > pkg > db, but it will basically break all your modules since the location > of the > modules changes with each version of perl. You would then have to > "portupgrade -f p5-*" to rebuild/uninstall/reinstall everything. > > Running "portupgrade -rf perl-5.8.x" seems to generally work well. > > But is there any better way I'm missing? The main drawback here is > that > if you don't have a dedicated build host, you have perl unavailable > for a > pretty sizable length of time... > > Thanks, > > Charles for perl, php, ad apache, i never use the ports, because of this reason why dont you roll perl from source into /usr/local/perl586 and install all the modules via cpan (and /usr/local/perl586) then point RT to that perl but use your port perl for the ports. -- postmaster riegersteve at gmail.com 310-339-4355 yahoo = riegersteve icq = 53956607 Ride Free, Ride On, Ride Safe I had the blues because I had no shoes until upon the street, I met a man who had no feet. From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com Wed May 17 02:10:18 2006 From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 02:10:18 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] upgrading perl and all deps (FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 17, 2006, at 12:42 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > Hi all, > > Just curious what folks here do that have perl installed from ports > and > have a large number of dependencies... A good example would be > something > like SpamAssassin (have a look at it with 'pkg_tree -v > p5-Mail-SpamAssassin'). a- switch to the port verision of perl # use.perl port b- upgrade all the cpan modules # perl-after-upgrade ( see if any errors get tripped ) # perl-after-upgrade -f ( does the work ) there you go. //Jonathan Vanasco |- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | RoadSound.com / Indie-Rock.net | Collaborative Online Management And Syndication Tools |- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From spork at bway.net Wed May 17 02:18:11 2006 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 02:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] upgrading perl and all deps (FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 May 2006, Jonathan wrote: > > On May 17, 2006, at 12:42 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Just curious what folks here do that have perl installed from ports and >> have a large number of dependencies... A good example would be something >> like SpamAssassin (have a look at it with 'pkg_tree -v >> p5-Mail-SpamAssassin'). > > a- switch to the port verision of perl > # use.perl port > > b- upgrade all the cpan modules > # perl-after-upgrade > ( see if any errors get tripped ) > # perl-after-upgrade -f > ( does the work ) Just to satisfy my curiousity, where did you find out about this? The manpage sums it up thusly: DESCRIPTION The standard procedure after a perl port (either lang/perl5 or lang/perl5.8) upgrade is to basically reinstall all other packages that depend on perl. This is always a painful exercise. The perl-after- upgrade utility makes this process mostly unnecessary. > there you go. > > //Jonathan Vanasco > > |- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - > | RoadSound.com / Indie-Rock.net > | Collaborative Online Management And Syndication Tools > |- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - > > > > From scottro at nyc.rr.com Wed May 17 05:44:22 2006 From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 05:44:22 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] upgrading perl and all deps (FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060517094422.GA46271@mail.scottro.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 02:18:11AM -0400, Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Wed, 17 May 2006, Jonathan wrote: > > > > > # perl-after-upgrade > > ( see if any errors get tripped ) > > # perl-after-upgrade -f > > ( does the work ) > > Just to satisfy my curiousity, where did you find out about this? If you mean the perl-after-upgrade script, I think it was mentioned in UPDATING when it first came out. That was in June of 2005, I believe. It was mentioned again in UPDATING when there was another major perl version bump. It worked quite well for me both times. Actually, I was so impressed that I wrote its creator a thank you email. - -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Buffy: I told you. I said end of the world. And you're like, 'Pooh-pooh, Southern California, pooh-pooh.' Giles: I'm so very sorry. My contrition completely dwarfs the impending apocalypse. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFEavB2+lTVdes0Z9YRAkmTAKCYa+NvgLH/QjP9tvOHboizJwmG4ACgiMQU M8Yf98icW69qQuf0hNclLQ0= =P03k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jlam at pkgsrc.org Wed May 17 09:34:31 2006 From: jlam at pkgsrc.org (Johnny Lam) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:34:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] upgrading perl and all deps (FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <446B2667.8000409@pkgsrc.org> Charles Sprickman wrote: > > If you make the mistake of just running portupgrade on perl, you end up > with quite a mess - portupgrade will fix up the dependencies in the pkg > db, but it will basically break all your modules since the location of the > modules changes with each version of perl. You would then have to You may want to discuss with the FreeBSD Ports perl maintainer a different strategy for installing Perl. I maintain Perl in pkgsrc, and I've modified our Perl package in two major ways: (1) Install modules into "vendor" directories instead of "site" directories. (2) Install modules in a directory named after the Perl ABI version instead of the actual version number, e.g. the Perl ABI version number for the 5.8.x releases is "5.8.0, so modules are found in /usr/pkg/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0 and not /usr/pkg/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8. The first point allows allows site-local Perl modules to be installed by the local admin without affecting pkgsrc-managed files. The second point allows for binary upgrades/replacements of ABI-compatible versions of Perl without affecting any installed modules. The current pkgsrc perl sources may be found at: http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/pkgsrc/lang/perl5/ Cheers, -- Johnny Lam From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed May 17 11:32:20 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:32:20 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] upgrading perl and all deps (FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060517153218.GA17268@sunset.nomadlogic.org> On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 12:42:41AM -0400, Charles Sprickman wrote: > Hi all, > > Just curious what folks here do that have perl installed from ports and > have a large number of dependencies... A good example would be something > like SpamAssassin (have a look at it with 'pkg_tree -v > p5-Mail-SpamAssassin'). > > If you make the mistake of just running portupgrade on perl, you end up > with quite a mess - portupgrade will fix up the dependencies in the pkg > db, but it will basically break all your modules since the location of the > modules changes with each version of perl. You would then have to > "portupgrade -f p5-*" to rebuild/uninstall/reinstall everything. > > Running "portupgrade -rf perl-5.8.x" seems to generally work well. > > But is there any better way I'm missing? The main drawback here is that > if you don't have a dedicated build host, you have perl unavailable for a > pretty sizable length of time... > i've been slowly migrating my boxen over to portmanager(1) /usr/ports/sysutils/portmanager. It seems to take an easier, for me atleast, approach to updating ports and taking care of dependencies. as far as the build time goes, and lack of build host, i feel that pain. although the perl packages seem to be sanely build for most cases. -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed May 17 13:00:44 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSDCert Competition Message-ID: <15485.160.33.20.11.1147885244.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Caught this today and thought it may be something we would want to take a crack at: http://www.bsdcertification.org/index.php?NAV=News&Item=pr026 Any idea's? -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From bschonhorst at gmail.com Thu May 18 09:55:52 2006 From: bschonhorst at gmail.com (Brad Schonhorst) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:55:52 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: BGP and DSL? Message-ID: <7708fd680605180655p70762103vf66d28cf8a275839@mail.gmail.com> Interested in setting up internet redundancy for incoming connections over a currently operational T1 line. I would like to use a cheaper line for backup - think cable or DSL. Most ISPs only support BGP for T1 or greater sized pipes. Does anyone know of a provider willing (or if its possible ) to setup BGP with a broadband connection? _Brad From alex at pilosoft.com Thu May 18 11:12:01 2006 From: alex at pilosoft.com (alex at pilosoft.com) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: BGP and DSL? In-Reply-To: <7708fd680605180655p70762103vf66d28cf8a275839@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 May 2006, Brad Schonhorst wrote: > Interested in setting up internet redundancy for incoming connections > over a currently operational T1 line. I would like to use a cheaper > line for backup - think cable or DSL. Most ISPs only support BGP for T1 > or greater sized pipes. Does anyone know of a provider willing (or if > its possible ) to setup BGP with a broadband connection? We do it. -- Alex Pilosov | DSL, Colocation, Hosting Services President | alex at pilosoft.com 877-PILOSOFT x601 Pilosoft, Inc. | http://www.pilosoft.com From max at neuropunks.org Thu May 18 18:44:59 2006 From: max at neuropunks.org (max) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:44:59 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: BGP and DSL? In-Reply-To: <7708fd680605180655p70762103vf66d28cf8a275839@mail.gmail.com> References: <7708fd680605180655p70762103vf66d28cf8a275839@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060518224459.GB31042@neuropunks.org> If you have access to cisco gear, check out CEF On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 09:55:52AM -0400, Brad Schonhorst wrote: > Interested in setting up internet redundancy for incoming connections > over a currently operational T1 line. I would like to use a cheaper > line for backup - think cable or DSL. Most ISPs only support BGP for > T1 or greater sized pipes. Does anyone know of a provider willing (or > if its possible ) to setup BGP with a broadband connection? > > _Brad > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From spork at bway.net Thu May 18 18:50:36 2006 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: BGP and DSL? In-Reply-To: <20060518224459.GB31042@neuropunks.org> References: <7708fd680605180655p70762103vf66d28cf8a275839@mail.gmail.com> <20060518224459.GB31042@neuropunks.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 May 2006, max wrote: > If you have access to cisco gear, check out CEF How does CEF (a fast-switching enhancement) provide inbound redundancy? > > On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 09:55:52AM -0400, Brad Schonhorst wrote: >> Interested in setting up internet redundancy for incoming connections >> over a currently operational T1 line. I would like to use a cheaper >> line for backup - think cable or DSL. Most ISPs only support BGP for >> T1 or greater sized pipes. Does anyone know of a provider willing (or >> if its possible ) to setup BGP with a broadband connection? >> >> _Brad >> >> _______________________________________________ >> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists >> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month >> > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From max at neuropunks.org Thu May 18 20:24:53 2006 From: max at neuropunks.org (Max Gribov) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:24:53 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: BGP and DSL? In-Reply-To: References: <7708fd680605180655p70762103vf66d28cf8a275839@mail.gmail.com> <20060518224459.GB31042@neuropunks.org> Message-ID: <446D1055.80504@neuropunks.org> Im sorry, I didnt read the message right. I thought it was for outgoing. Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Thu, 18 May 2006, max wrote: > >> If you have access to cisco gear, check out CEF > > > How does CEF (a fast-switching enhancement) provide inbound redundancy? > >> >> On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 09:55:52AM -0400, Brad Schonhorst wrote: >> >>> Interested in setting up internet redundancy for incoming connections >>> over a currently operational T1 line. I would like to use a cheaper >>> line for backup - think cable or DSL. Most ISPs only support BGP for >>> T1 or greater sized pipes. Does anyone know of a provider willing (or >>> if its possible ) to setup BGP with a broadband connection? >>> >>> _Brad >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list >>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >>> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists >>> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists >> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month >> > From bschonhorst at gmail.com Thu May 18 22:16:37 2006 From: bschonhorst at gmail.com (Brad Schonhorst) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:16:37 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: BGP and DSL? In-Reply-To: <446D1055.80504@neuropunks.org> References: <7708fd680605180655p70762103vf66d28cf8a275839@mail.gmail.com> <20060518224459.GB31042@neuropunks.org> <446D1055.80504@neuropunks.org> Message-ID: <7708fd680605181916g66bbcda3v14109d64b753accc@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/06, Max Gribov wrote: > Im sorry, I didnt read the message right. > I thought it was for outgoing. > We will use the lines for outgoing as well so thanks for the tip! Thanks to all who replied to this non-BSD related inquiry. Its great to have such a diverse group to bounce these ideas off of. -Brad > > Charles Sprickman wrote: > > > On Thu, 18 May 2006, max wrote: > > > >> If you have access to cisco gear, check out CEF > > > > > > How does CEF (a fast-switching enhancement) provide inbound redundancy? > > > >> > >> On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 09:55:52AM -0400, Brad Schonhorst wrote: > >> > >>> Interested in setting up internet redundancy for incoming connections > >>> over a currently operational T1 line. I would like to use a cheaper > >>> line for backup - think cable or DSL. Most ISPs only support BGP for > >>> T1 or greater sized pipes. Does anyone know of a provider willing (or > >>> if its possible ) to setup BGP with a broadband connection? > >>> > >>> _Brad > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > >>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > >>> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > >>> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > >> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > >> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From tillman at seekingfire.com Fri May 19 12:03:05 2006 From: tillman at seekingfire.com (Tillman Hodgson) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:03:05 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: <20060519160305.GV43249@seekingfire.com> On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 02:18:38PM -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > I'll try that tonight, which will get me to a normal NetBSD 3.0 system. > Getting to a domain0 system is the next step -- the NetBSD Xen HOWTO is > missing a lot of details around the grub section. I now have a booting system again, thanks :-) Grub is still not installing happily though: kernfs on /kern type kernfs (local) -bash-3.1# grub-install --no-floppy /dev/rld0d /dev/rld0d does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. -bash-3.1# dmesg | grep ld0 ld0 at mlx0 unit 0: RAID5, online ld0: 70040 MB, 8928 cyl, 255 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sect x 143441920 sectors boot device: ld0 root on ld0a dumps on ld0b # size offset fstype [fsize bsize cpg/sgs] a: 6152895 32 4.2BSD 2048 16384 24952 # (Cyl. 0*- 383*) b: 2120580 6152927 swap # (Cyl. 383*- 515*) c: 143441888 32 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0*- 8928*) d: 143441920 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 8928*) e: 6152895 8273507 4.2BSD 2048 16384 24952 # (Cyl. 515*- 898*) f: 12289725 14426402 4.2BSD 2048 16384 27568 # (Cyl. 898*- 1663*) g: 116725793 26716127 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28600 # (Cyl. 1663*- 8928*) -bash-3.1# mount /dev/ld0a on / type ffs (local) /dev/ld0e on /usr type ffs (local) /dev/ld0f on /usr/pkgsrc type ffs (local) /dev/ld0g on /virtual type ffs (local) -bash-3.1# ls -l /dev/rld0d crw-r----- 1 root operator 69, 3 May 18 14:23 /dev/rld0d I found this in the port-xen mailing list archives: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-xen/2005/11/06/0001.html http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-xen/2006/03/04/0003.html The gap in time seems to indicate that grub isn't going to be fixed for ld devices any time soon. Unfortunately, it looks like I'll be attempting the rest of the install remotely (I'm going away for the long weekend). So I wanted to run these proposed steps by the folks here as as a sanity check: cd /dev mknod -g operator -u root c rwd5d 69 3 grub-install --no-floppy /dev/rwd5d cd / mkdir /grub ... put in a reasonable /grub/menu.lst file grub grub> root (hd0,a) grub> setup --stage2=3D/grub/stage2 --prefix=3D/grub (hd0) shutdown -r now Alternatively, is there a way to install the Xen kernel and a NetBSD domain0 using only the NetBSD boot loader? Thanks for any pointers, -T -- "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods." -- Albert Einstein From lists at genoverly.net Fri May 19 12:29:57 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:29:57 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060519160305.GV43249@seekingfire.com> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> <20060519160305.GV43249@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: <20060519122957.578edf47@wit.genoverly.home> On Fri, 19 May 2006 10:03:05 -0600 Tillman Hodgson wrote: ..not sure if it will help but.. There is a document in the NYCBUG library about NetBSD & Xen: http://nycbug.org/index.php?NAV=Library;SUBM=10019 -- Michael From jlam at pkgsrc.org Fri May 19 12:46:51 2006 From: jlam at pkgsrc.org (Johnny Lam) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:46:51 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060519160305.GV43249@seekingfire.com> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> <20060519160305.GV43249@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: <446DF67B.6030807@pkgsrc.org> Tillman Hodgson wrote: > On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 02:18:38PM -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > Grub is still not installing happily though: > > kernfs on /kern type kernfs (local) > -bash-3.1# grub-install --no-floppy /dev/rld0d > /dev/rld0d does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. If you have grub-0.97nb5 installed from pkgsrc, then I think you can fake out the grub-install script by manually creating a device.map file. The lame BIOS drive detection in grub doesn't work correctly for ld(4) devices, but if you manually create a /grub/device.map file containing the line: (hd0) /dev/rld0d Then re-run that grub-install command you have above and see if that installs GRUB properly on your system. This is what I did on my own machine. > Alternatively, is there a way to install the Xen kernel and a NetBSD > domain0 using only the NetBSD boot loader? No, there is no way to load the Xen hypervisor using the NetBSD boot loader. The boot process works by asking GRUB to load the Xen kernel with the domain-0 kernel as a module. Cheers, -- Johnny Lam From tillman at seekingfire.com Fri May 19 13:09:52 2006 From: tillman at seekingfire.com (Tillman Hodgson) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:09:52 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <446DF67B.6030807@pkgsrc.org> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> <20060519160305.GV43249@seekingfire.com> <446DF67B.6030807@pkgsrc.org> Message-ID: <20060519170952.GX43249@seekingfire.com> On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 12:46:51PM -0400, Johnny Lam wrote: > If you have grub-0.97nb5 installed from pkgsrc, then I think you can > fake out the grub-install script by manually creating a device.map file. > The lame BIOS drive detection in grub doesn't work correctly for ld(4) > devices, but if you manually create a /grub/device.map file containing > the line: > > (hd0) /dev/rld0d > > Then re-run that grub-install command you have above and see if that > installs GRUB properly on your system. This is what I did on my own > machine. Oh, that's much nicer than mucking around in /dev (which, months from now, I'll forget that I've done and cause much grief ;-)). And it seemed to work -- grub installed, and /grub is populated. (I haven't tested with a reboot though). Thanks :-) Is it normal for there not to be a menu.lst in /grub? I know I need to modify it to show what I want for options, but it seems odd that a default one was included as part of the files it populated the directory with. Before I get into the Xen stuff, if I create a /grub/menu.lst with contents like this: title NetBSD-GENERIC root (hd0,0,a) chainloader +1 I should be able to boot NetBSD normally as a test, correct? -T -- A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. -- Max Planck, _Scientific Autobiography_ From pete at nomadlogic.org Fri May 19 13:17:59 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060519170952.GX43249@seekingfire.com> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> <20060519160305.GV43249@seekingfire.com> <446DF67B.6030807@pkgsrc.org> <20060519170952.GX43249@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: <25677.160.33.20.11.1148059079.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 12:46:51PM -0400, Johnny Lam wrote: >> If you have grub-0.97nb5 installed from pkgsrc, then I think you can >> fake out the grub-install script by manually creating a device.map file. >> The lame BIOS drive detection in grub doesn't work correctly for ld(4) >> devices, but if you manually create a /grub/device.map file containing >> the line: >> >> (hd0) /dev/rld0d >> >> Then re-run that grub-install command you have above and see if that >> installs GRUB properly on your system. This is what I did on my own >> machine. > > Oh, that's much nicer than mucking around in /dev (which, months from > now, I'll forget that I've done and cause much grief ;-)). And it seemed > to work -- grub installed, and /grub is populated. (I haven't tested > with a reboot though). Thanks :-) > > Is it normal for there not to be a menu.lst in /grub? I know I need to > modify it to show what I want for options, but it seems odd that a > default one was included as part of the files it populated the directory > with. > > Before I get into the Xen stuff, if I create a /grub/menu.lst with > contents like this: > > title NetBSD-GENERIC > root (hd0,0,a) > chainloader +1 If I am not mistaken menu.lst is usually a link to grub.conf. > > I should be able to boot NetBSD normally as a test, correct? > yes, i belive so. -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From jlam at pkgsrc.org Fri May 19 13:27:25 2006 From: jlam at pkgsrc.org (Johnny Lam) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:27:25 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confusion around Grub, NetBSD 3.0, DAC960 control (all for Xen) In-Reply-To: <20060519170952.GX43249@seekingfire.com> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> <20060519160305.GV43249@seekingfire.com> <446DF67B.6030807@pkgsrc.org> <20060519170952.GX43249@seekingfire.com> Message-ID: <446DFFFD.8080409@pkgsrc.org> Tillman Hodgson wrote: > > Is it normal for there not to be a menu.lst in /grub? I know I need to > modify it to show what I want for options, but it seems odd that a > default one was included as part of the files it populated the directory > with. I think there is no default because there are no easy defaults that can be set. > Before I get into the Xen stuff, if I create a /grub/menu.lst with > contents like this: > > title NetBSD-GENERIC > root (hd0,0,a) > chainloader +1 > > I should be able to boot NetBSD normally as a test, correct? Yes, that seems to match the example in the Xen HOWTO on the NetBSD site, although I think just "root (hd0,0)" is enough. I'm not quite sure how the naming scheming is supposed to work, though. I think to use the above, you'll also need /netbsd to be a normal kernel. For some more examples, my own working menu.list looks like: default=0 timeout=10 fallback=1 # title Xen / NetBSD-3.0 root (hd0,a) kernel (hd0,a)/xen dom0_mem=131072 module (hd0,a)/netbsd-XEN0 root=(hd0,a) ro console=pc # title NetBSD-3.0 root (hd0,a) kernel --type=netbsd (hd0,a)/netbsd-GENERIC Cheers, -- Johnny Lam From njt at ayvali.org Fri May 19 13:38:43 2006 From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:38:43 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] grub drive detection In-Reply-To: <446DF67B.6030807@pkgsrc.org> References: <20060515193258.GP9447@seekingfire.com> <20060515201837.GR9447@seekingfire.com> <20060519160305.GV43249@seekingfire.com> <446DF67B.6030807@pkgsrc.org> Message-ID: <20060519173843.GA25163@ayvali.org> * Johnny Lam [2006-05-19 12:46:51 -0400]: > The lame BIOS drive detection in grub doesn't work correctly for ld(4) > devices, but if you manually create a /grub/device.map file containing > the line: > > (hd0) /dev/rld0d > > Then re-run that grub-install command you have above and see if that > installs GRUB properly on your system. It's even lamer, I added a second drive to my machine and GRUB autodetected that, but then somehow "forgot" about my original drive, so this: (hd0) /dev/ad8 became this: (hd0) /dev/ad5 Until I edited it like so: (hd0) /dev/ad8 (hd1) /dev/ad5 It was not that big a deal, but I could have ran "grub-install" and overwrote the MB on the wrong disk had I been a little less careless. (This was on a brand new install of FreeBSD 6.1 two days ago. I noticed that grub has not changed in the ports tree in the past couple of months. Is it being actively developed anymore, or does the BSD port get low priority?) Thomas -- N.J. Thomas njt at ayvali.org Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo From spork at bway.net Fri May 19 20:09:07 2006 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 20:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] McKusick's UFS2 talk at NYCBSDCon Message-ID: Just curious, does anyone have audio/video or notes from that? Thanks, Charles From dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca Sat May 20 10:43:07 2006 From: dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca (Dru) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSDCert Competition Message-ID: <20060520103849.V528@dru.domain.org> >Caught this today and thought it may be something we would want to take a >crack at: >http://www.bsdcertification.org/index.php?NAV=News&Item=pr026 >Any idea's? No discussion yet on this thread? (sniff, sniff) Well, I could always shave my head, but that would require raising a fair chunk of change as I'd have to convince my employer it was worth me standing in front of several months worth of corporate training classes hairless... Dru From dan at langille.org Sat May 20 10:45:02 2006 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:45:02 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSDCert Competition In-Reply-To: <20060520103849.V528@dru.domain.org> Message-ID: <446EF32E.9158.18A1D96C@dan.langille.org> On 20 May 2006 at 10:43, Dru wrote: > > >Caught this today and thought it may be something we would want to take a > >crack at: > > >http://www.bsdcertification.org/index.php?NAV=News&Item=pr026 > > >Any idea's? > > > No discussion yet on this thread? (sniff, sniff) > > Well, I could always shave my head, but that would require raising a fair > chunk of change as I'd have to convince my employer it was worth me standing > in front of several months worth of corporate training classes hairless... I'd pay money to see your head shaved... hell, I'd shave it for you. I'd offer the same thing, but a #1 clipper isn't much different from shaved... From dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca Sat May 20 10:59:20 2006 From: dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca (Dru) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSDCert Competition In-Reply-To: <446EF32E.9158.18A1D96C@dan.langille.org> References: <446EF32E.9158.18A1D96C@dan.langille.org> Message-ID: <20060520105556.W528@dru.domain.org> On Sat, 20 May 2006, Dan Langille wrote: > On 20 May 2006 at 10:43, Dru wrote: > >> >>> Caught this today and thought it may be something we would want to take a >>> crack at: >> >>> http://www.bsdcertification.org/index.php?NAV=News&Item=pr026 >> >>> Any idea's? >> >> >> No discussion yet on this thread? (sniff, sniff) >> >> Well, I could always shave my head, but that would require raising a fair >> chunk of change as I'd have to convince my employer it was worth me standing >> in front of several months worth of corporate training classes hairless... > > I'd pay money to see your head shaved... hell, I'd shave it for you. If this becomes an event, it would be video'd and put on the website. That might even be enough to bypass the slashdot "it's only BSD news" filter... I'm thinking a head shave would require about 10 grand worth of convincing. Dru From stucchi at willystudios.com Sat May 20 11:11:26 2006 From: stucchi at willystudios.com (Massimiliano Stucchi) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 17:11:26 +0200 Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSDCert Competition In-Reply-To: <20060520105556.W528@dru.domain.org> References: <446EF32E.9158.18A1D96C@dan.langille.org> <20060520105556.W528@dru.domain.org> Message-ID: <20060520151125.GY91862@willystudios.com> On 200506, 10:59, Dru wrote: > > > On Sat, 20 May 2006, Dan Langille wrote: > > > On 20 May 2006 at 10:43, Dru wrote: > > > >> > >>> Caught this today and thought it may be something we would want to take a > >>> crack at: > >> > >>> http://www.bsdcertification.org/index.php?NAV=News&Item=pr026 > >> > >>> Any idea's? > >> > >> > >> No discussion yet on this thread? (sniff, sniff) > >> > >> Well, I could always shave my head, but that would require raising a fair > >> chunk of change as I'd have to convince my employer it was worth me standing > >> in front of several months worth of corporate training classes hairless... > > > > I'd pay money to see your head shaved... hell, I'd shave it for you. > > > If this becomes an event, it would be video'd and put on the website. > That might even be enough to bypass the slashdot "it's only BSD news" > filter... > > I'm thinking a head shave would require about 10 grand worth of > convincing. I may also do that... and my hair are longer than Dru's :-P I'm talking seriously, though. Ciao ! -- Massimiliano Stucchi WillyStudios.com stucchi at willystudios.com Http://www.willystudios.com/max/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now it is up to the user to make the right choice. -- Michael From pete at nomadlogic.org Sun May 21 15:02:14 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 15:02:14 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT - blobs in other worlds In-Reply-To: <20060521082322.011847cb@wit.genoverly.home> References: <20060521082322.011847cb@wit.genoverly.home> Message-ID: <20060521190210.GA79827@sunset.nomadlogic.org> On Sun, May 21, 2006 at 08:23:22AM -0400, michael wrote: > Novell has created a new driver system that will enable vendors to > supply drivers to users directly. > > http://www.novell.com/news/press/item.jsp?id=662 > > They want you to get your blobs right from the source. Wow.. they just > rolled over onto their back. I guess having choices is good. Now it > is up to the user to make the right choice. > > yea i saw that the other day. at work we are dealing with blob hell currently via the Nvidia video driver on linux. while i can sorta see nvidia's POV in releasing a binary driver for support of OpenGl extensions on thier chipset it is biting us in the ass. nvidia actually worked a patch into thier 7676 driver for us, but the patch has not made it into any later versions. so now we are kinda at the whim of these guy's, hopefully we can get the patch merged w/o having to fork over cash... so yea it does indeed suck...although probably not a much as when we where tied completly to SGI's whim's and support contracts ;) -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon May 22 13:23:31 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] HPN-SSH Message-ID: <35011.160.33.20.11.1148318611.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Hi, does anyone have any thought's on this... http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ basicly it's a patch to openssh to allow tuning of the internal flow control buffers. I'm currently googling for comments from openssh team... thanks, -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From nycbug at cyth.net Mon May 22 13:49:45 2006 From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:48:45 -0401 Subject: [nycbug-talk] HPN-SSH In-Reply-To: <35011.160.33.20.11.1148318611.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <35011.160.33.20.11.1148318611.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20060522174908.GB5477@syntax.cyth.net> On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:23:31AM -0700, Peter Wright wrote: > Hi, does anyone have any thought's on this... > > http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ > > basicly it's a patch to openssh to allow tuning of the internal flow > control buffers. I'm currently googling for comments from openssh team... It seems to decrease performance on slow networks: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?m=112884429502318 -Ray- From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon May 22 13:57:22 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] HPN-SSH In-Reply-To: <20060522174908.GB5477@syntax.cyth.net> References: <35011.160.33.20.11.1148318611.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <20060522174908.GB5477@syntax.cyth.net> Message-ID: <49269.160.33.20.11.1148320642.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:23:31AM -0700, Peter Wright wrote: >> Hi, does anyone have any thought's on this... >> >> http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ >> >> basicly it's a patch to openssh to allow tuning of the internal flow >> control buffers. I'm currently googling for comments from openssh >> team... > > It seems to decrease performance on slow networks: > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?m=112884429502318 > > -Ray- > yes it could do that for sure...i am targeting it on 1 and 10 gig-e ethernet, and am hoping this will help scp performance. i guess my question is, does this introduce any serious compatibility issues...or more importantly has the OpenSSH team spotted any problems with this patch? thanks! -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From nycbug at cyth.net Mon May 22 14:19:20 2006 From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:19:20 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] HPN-SSH In-Reply-To: <49269.160.33.20.11.1148320642.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <35011.160.33.20.11.1148318611.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <20060522174908.GB5477@syntax.cyth.net> <49269.160.33.20.11.1148320642.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20060522181943.GC5477@syntax.cyth.net> On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:57:22AM -0700, Peter Wright wrote: > > > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:23:31AM -0700, Peter Wright wrote: > >> Hi, does anyone have any thought's on this... > >> > >> http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ > >> > >> basicly it's a patch to openssh to allow tuning of the internal flow > >> control buffers. I'm currently googling for comments from openssh > >> team... > > > > It seems to decrease performance on slow networks: > > > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?m=112884429502318 > > > > -Ray- > > > > > yes it could do that for sure...i am targeting it on 1 and 10 gig-e > ethernet, and am hoping this will help scp performance. i guess my > question is, does this introduce any serious compatibility issues...or > more importantly has the OpenSSH team spotted any problems with this > patch? I've only seen reports of slowness for slower networks; I haven't seen incompatibility reports, but I don't work on OpenSSH. Have you tried running with the patch yet? It might not improve performance even for 10 gig Ethernet. Spam the OpenSSH list for more information. -Ray- From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon May 22 14:25:11 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] HPN-SSH In-Reply-To: <20060522181943.GC5477@syntax.cyth.net> References: <35011.160.33.20.11.1148318611.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <20060522174908.GB5477@syntax.cyth.net> <49269.160.33.20.11.1148320642.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <20060522181943.GC5477@syntax.cyth.net> Message-ID: <45275.160.33.20.11.1148322311.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:57:22AM -0700, Peter Wright wrote: >> >> > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:23:31AM -0700, Peter Wright wrote: >> >> Hi, does anyone have any thought's on this... >> >> >> >> http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ >> >> >> >> basicly it's a patch to openssh to allow tuning of the internal flow >> >> control buffers. I'm currently googling for comments from openssh >> >> team... >> > >> > It seems to decrease performance on slow networks: >> > >> > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?m=112884429502318 >> > >> > -Ray- >> > >> >> >> yes it could do that for sure...i am targeting it on 1 and 10 gig-e >> ethernet, and am hoping this will help scp performance. i guess my >> question is, does this introduce any serious compatibility issues...or >> more importantly has the OpenSSH team spotted any problems with this >> patch? > > I've only seen reports of slowness for slower networks; I haven't > seen incompatibility reports, but I don't work on OpenSSH. > > Have you tried running with the patch yet? It might not improve > performance even for 10 gig Ethernet. > > Spam the OpenSSH list for more information. > > -Ray- > it's working ok, and initial test's do show a marked improvement on our 1-gig network (our backbone is 10-gig). i'll keep hacking on it. -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From okan at demirmen.com Mon May 22 14:45:20 2006 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:45:20 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] HPN-SSH In-Reply-To: <35011.160.33.20.11.1148318611.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <35011.160.33.20.11.1148318611.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20060522184520.GA11176@clam.khaoz.org> On Mon 2006.05.22 at 10:23 -0700, Peter Wright wrote: > Hi, does anyone have any thought's on this... > > http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ > > basicly it's a patch to openssh to allow tuning of the internal flow > control buffers. I'm currently googling for comments from openssh team... as an alternative, consider piping over ssh - that tends to be so much faster than scp'ing (for me) - however, i have to numbers to back that up ;) From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon May 22 15:11:29 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] HPN-SSH In-Reply-To: <20060522184520.GA11176@clam.khaoz.org> References: <35011.160.33.20.11.1148318611.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <20060522184520.GA11176@clam.khaoz.org> Message-ID: <19074.160.33.20.11.1148325089.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > On Mon 2006.05.22 at 10:23 -0700, Peter Wright wrote: >> Hi, does anyone have any thought's on this... >> >> http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ >> >> basicly it's a patch to openssh to allow tuning of the internal flow >> control buffers. I'm currently googling for comments from openssh >> team... > > as an alternative, consider piping over ssh - that tends to be so much > faster than scp'ing (for me) - however, i have to numbers to back that > up ;) hmm...i'll have to look into that. although for this specific case I do not think that it will be suitable...although for my personal cases ;) -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From njt at ayvali.org Mon May 22 15:37:24 2006 From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:37:24 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] HPN-SSH In-Reply-To: <20060522184520.GA11176@clam.khaoz.org> References: <35011.160.33.20.11.1148318611.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <20060522184520.GA11176@clam.khaoz.org> Message-ID: <20060522193724.GB15361@ayvali.org> * Okan Demirmen [2006-05-22 14:45:20 -0400]: > as an alternative, consider piping over ssh - that tends to be so much > faster than scp'ing (for me) - however, i have to numbers to back that > up ;) I do this when I need to do a quick and dirty file transfer and security is not a concern: $ nc -v -l 10000|tar xvf - # wait for file to be transferred $ tar cf - foo |nc -v example.org 10000 # (sending machine) transfer file Thomas -- N.J. Thomas njt at ayvali.org Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo From nycbug at cyth.net Mon May 22 16:07:21 2006 From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:07:21 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] HPN-SSH In-Reply-To: <20060522193724.GB15361@ayvali.org> References: <35011.160.33.20.11.1148318611.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <20060522184520.GA11176@clam.khaoz.org> <20060522193724.GB15361@ayvali.org> Message-ID: <20060522200744.GD5477@syntax.cyth.net> On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 03:37:24PM -0400, N.J. Thomas wrote: > * Okan Demirmen [2006-05-22 14:45:20 -0400]: > > as an alternative, consider piping over ssh - that tends to be so much > > faster than scp'ing (for me) - however, i have to numbers to back that > > up ;) > > I do this when I need to do a quick and dirty file transfer and security > is not a concern: > > $ nc -v -l 10000|tar xvf - # wait for file to be transferred > $ tar cf - foo |nc -v example.org 10000 # (sending machine) transfer file Similarly, I do: $ tar czf - . | ssh host 'tar xvzf -' I remember having trouble when needing to enter a password, but it always works when using ssh-agent. -Ray- From dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca Mon May 22 18:11:53 2006 From: dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca (Dru) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] free wireless Message-ID: <20060522180229.J525@dru.domain.org> Woohoo, something to look forward to next time I'm in the big Apple: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060516/tc_afp/afplifestyleusinternet;_ylt=AiOqd8ijlUI5kFCkVgQmZ8AjtBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA-- If we could just get some of that here in Ottawa... Dru From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com Mon May 22 19:13:34 2006 From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:13:34 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] free wireless In-Reply-To: <20060522180229.J525@dru.domain.org> References: <20060522180229.J525@dru.domain.org> Message-ID: <14F88D4E-5761-4351-851A-3020A29D265A@2xlp.com> On May 22, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Dru wrote: > Woohoo, something to look forward to next time I'm in the big Apple: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060516/tc_afp/ > afplifestyleusinternet;_ylt=AiOqd8ijlUI5kFCkVgQmZ8AjtBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5 > aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA-- > > If we could just get some of that here in Ottawa... It might sound cool, but its too little, too late. The only thing that will do is give free wireless to the center of the big parks. ( though better that than nothing ) There are plenty of wireless nodes that people have made free around the smaller parks and around the edges of the larger ones There's also nyc wireless, which is actively going around and installing around the community parks using opensource technologies | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | RoadSound.com / Indie-Rock.net | Collaborative Online Management And Syndication Tools | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca Mon May 22 19:26:40 2006 From: dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca (Dru) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] free wireless In-Reply-To: <14F88D4E-5761-4351-851A-3020A29D265A@2xlp.com> References: <20060522180229.J525@dru.domain.org> <14F88D4E-5761-4351-851A-3020A29D265A@2xlp.com> Message-ID: <20060522192611.P525@dru.domain.org> On Mon, 22 May 2006, Jonathan Vanasco wrote: > There's also nyc wireless, which is actively going around and > installing around the community parks using opensource technologies Cool. Anyone on this list a member of nyc wireless and interested in doing an interview on that project? Dru From tux at penguinnetwerx.net Mon May 22 20:45:22 2006 From: tux at penguinnetwerx.net (Kevin Reiter) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:45:22 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] free wireless In-Reply-To: <20060522180229.J525@dru.domain.org> References: <20060522180229.J525@dru.domain.org> Message-ID: <44725B22.6000507@penguinnetwerx.net> Dru wrote: > Woohoo, something to look forward to next time I'm in the big Apple: > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060516/tc_afp/afplifestyleusinternet;_ylt=AiOqd8ijlUI5kFCkVgQmZ8AjtBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA-- > > If we could just get some of that here in Ottawa... Just be on the lookout for the MITM attacks ("AirSnarf", etc.) From spork at bway.net Mon May 22 22:01:43 2006 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] free wireless In-Reply-To: <14F88D4E-5761-4351-851A-3020A29D265A@2xlp.com> References: <20060522180229.J525@dru.domain.org> <14F88D4E-5761-4351-851A-3020A29D265A@2xlp.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 May 2006, Jonathan Vanasco wrote: > There's also nyc wireless, which is actively going around and > installing around the community parks using opensource technologies Yep, and you can always drop by the Bway.net offices the last Wednesday of the month for their monthly meetings. They could really use some "not all OSS software is Linux" speakers too, so if anyone has any cool talks about BSD wireless stuff, contact them (specifically, heyjoe at bway.net). http://www.nycwireless.net/ In fact tonight they are putting together access for the Brooklyn Bridge Park... Charles > | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > | RoadSound.com / Indie-Rock.net > | Collaborative Online Management And Syndication Tools > | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From george at galis.org Tue May 23 00:30:26 2006 From: george at galis.org (George Georgalis) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 00:30:26 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] free wireless In-Reply-To: <20060522180229.J525@dru.domain.org> References: <20060522180229.J525@dru.domain.org> Message-ID: <20060523043026.GA10554@run.galis.org> On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 06:11:53PM -0400, Dru wrote: > >Woohoo, something to look forward to next time I'm in the big Apple: > >http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060516/tc_afp/afplifestyleusinternet;_ylt=AiOqd8ijlUI5kFCkVgQmZ8AjtBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA-- > >If we could just get some of that here in Ottawa... well my experience in Bryant park, which has been wifi by google for a while is high latency. you can surf web pages okay but ssh is 1 to 20 seconds per keystroke, can't work there... I emailed the support staff about giving priority to port 22 and got a reply it sounded like a good idea... but I never got confirmation that the powers agreed; prob some technical (abuse) issue with that type of QOS. anyway there are lots of free spots. pick your favorite coffee shop and you have a 35% chance of free gateway. :-} // George -- George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator < http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org From lists at genoverly.net Tue May 23 10:37:44 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:37:44 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD Security Survey Message-ID: <20060523103744.45a57648@*.wit.genoverly.home> "Dear FreeBSD users and system administrators, While the FreeBSD Security Team has traditionally been very good at investigating and responding to security issues in FreeBSD..." Read the rest: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2006-May/025703.html -- Michael From nycbug at cyth.net Tue May 23 11:00:37 2006 From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:59:37 -0401 Subject: [nycbug-talk] free wireless In-Reply-To: <44725B22.6000507@penguinnetwerx.net> References: <20060522180229.J525@dru.domain.org> <44725B22.6000507@penguinnetwerx.net> Message-ID: <20060523150000.GA3208@syntax.cyth.net> On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 08:45:22PM -0400, Kevin Reiter wrote: > Dru wrote: > > Woohoo, something to look forward to next time I'm in the big Apple: > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060516/tc_afp/afplifestyleusinternet;_ylt=AiOqd8ijlUI5kFCkVgQmZ8AjtBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA-- > > > > If we could just get some of that here in Ottawa... > > Just be on the lookout for the MITM attacks ("AirSnarf", etc.) Yes, but that should always be a concern, wireless or wired. -Ray- From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue May 23 11:31:03 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:31:03 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD Security Survey In-Reply-To: <20060523103744.45a57648@*.wit.genoverly.home> References: <20060523103744.45a57648@*.wit.genoverly.home> Message-ID: <20060523153103.GB89387@sunset.nomadlogic.org> On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 10:37:44AM -0400, michael wrote: > "Dear FreeBSD users and system administrators, > > While the FreeBSD Security Team has traditionally been very good at > investigating and responding to security issues in FreeBSD..." > > Read the rest: yes master ;) > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2006-May/025703.html > thanks! i missed this in my mail spool this morning... -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From ike at lesmuug.org Tue May 23 14:49:37 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:49:37 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] RADIUS experiences Message-ID: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> Hi All, I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with RADIUS servers? I'm setting one up for a fun project (wireless captive portal), and not all that exited about using FreeRADIUS- lots of unanswered questions in my brain... That stated, my concerns are with ease of management, and redundant replication for high-availability. I'm basically concerned about scale issues- 1) For a network of 300-5000 users, do the standard unix /etc/ password files scale sanely? I mean, the docs have this as the default config for user db, which is a type of data backend I'd usually have in some other kind of DB. It just seems like a recipe for poor scalability. 2) LDAP backends? Is this common practice? (I'm concerned about over- complexity) 3) SQL backends? Is this common practice? (Again, concerned about over-complexity) 4) Custom RADIUS implementations- RADIUS is more or less just a protocol, with defined parameters for how it manages the big AAA. Since it's the data backend I'm concerned about, (and know a lot about how to deal with), I'm thinking of just implementing a simple RADIUS server on top of databases I know and love? I've found a good- looking RADIUS library in Python, my favorite language, and I was thinking of rolling my own server with a tiny, easily replicatable, Python embedded DB. It seems the simplest route to me, but I'm hesitant because I feel there may be best-practicices for heavy RADIUS users? (ISP's, Telcos, anyone managing remote AAA) Any thoughts, URLS, as always are much appreciated! Best, .ike From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue May 23 15:08:44 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] RADIUS experiences In-Reply-To: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> References: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: <37541.160.33.20.11.1148411324.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > Hi All, > > I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with RADIUS servers? I'm > setting one up for a fun project (wireless captive portal), and not > all that exited about using FreeRADIUS- lots of unanswered questions > in my brain... > That stated, my concerns are with ease of management, and redundant > replication for high-availability. > > I'm basically concerned about scale issues- > > 1) For a network of 300-5000 users, do the standard unix /etc/ > password files scale sanely? I mean, the docs have this as the > default config for user db, which is a type of data backend I'd > usually have in some other kind of DB. It just seems like a recipe > for poor scalability. > yea i would be worried about this too, aside from scalability but i would be concerned about curroption of the password table and security issues as well. > 2) LDAP backends? Is this common practice? (I'm concerned about over- > complexity) > aside from the initial learning curve of setting up an ldap environment we seem to have pretty good success using LDAP+RADIUS for our wireless and remote access networks. > 3) SQL backends? Is this common practice? (Again, concerned about > over-complexity) > > 4) Custom RADIUS implementations- RADIUS is more or less just a > protocol, with defined parameters for how it manages the big AAA. > Since it's the data backend I'm concerned about, (and know a lot > about how to deal with), I'm thinking of just implementing a simple > RADIUS server on top of databases I know and love? I've found a good- > looking RADIUS library in Python, my favorite language, and I was > thinking of rolling my own server with a tiny, easily replicatable, > Python embedded DB. It seems the simplest route to me, but I'm > hesitant because I feel there may be best-practicices for heavy > RADIUS users? (ISP's, Telcos, anyone managing remote AAA) > > Any thoughts, URLS, as always are much appreciated! > I'm familiar with LDAP so i'll lean that way. There are plenty python and perl libraries to make scripting ldap easy...and frankly ldap is just a database anyway. Although ramping up on LDAP may be a pain a SQL RDBMS sounds a little heavy for this solution. or...you could use berkeleyDB ;^) -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From ike at lesmuug.org Tue May 23 15:53:16 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:53:16 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] RADIUS experiences In-Reply-To: <37541.160.33.20.11.1148411324.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> <37541.160.33.20.11.1148411324.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <62E41A46-6A9F-4EB0-B86E-EBFA422728D8@lesmuug.org> Thx Pete, On May 23, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Peter Wright wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with RADIUS servers? I'm >> setting one up for a fun project (wireless captive portal), and not >> all that exited about using FreeRADIUS- lots of unanswered questions >> in my brain... >> That stated, my concerns are with ease of management, and redundant >> replication for high-availability. >> >> I'm basically concerned about scale issues- >> >> 1) For a network of 300-5000 users, do the standard unix /etc/ >> password files scale sanely? I mean, the docs have this as the >> default config for user db, which is a type of data backend I'd >> usually have in some other kind of DB. It just seems like a recipe >> for poor scalability. >> > > yea i would be worried about this too, aside from scalability but i > would > be concerned about curroption of the password table and security > issues as > well. > >> 2) LDAP backends? Is this common practice? (I'm concerned about >> over- >> complexity) >> > aside from the initial learning curve of setting up an ldap > environment we > seem to have pretty good success using LDAP+RADIUS for our wireless > and > remote access networks. Gotcha. Good to hear- this sounds like a sane path. I guess the downside is learning curve here- I'm not exited about managing LDAP, and then training other people to then manage it. Hrm. It ain't rocket science, it's just work... > >> 3) SQL backends? Is this common practice? (Again, concerned about >> over-complexity) >> >> 4) Custom RADIUS implementations- RADIUS is more or less just a >> protocol, with defined parameters for how it manages the big AAA. >> Since it's the data backend I'm concerned about, (and know a lot >> about how to deal with), I'm thinking of just implementing a simple >> RADIUS server on top of databases I know and love? I've found a >> good- >> looking RADIUS library in Python, my favorite language, and I was >> thinking of rolling my own server with a tiny, easily replicatable, >> Python embedded DB. It seems the simplest route to me, but I'm >> hesitant because I feel there may be best-practicices for heavy >> RADIUS users? (ISP's, Telcos, anyone managing remote AAA) >> >> Any thoughts, URLS, as always are much appreciated! >> > > I'm familiar with LDAP so i'll lean that way. There are plenty > python and > perl libraries to make scripting ldap easy...and frankly ldap is > just a > database anyway. Right. Well, I'm trying to use as few API's in the stack as possible, so I'm leaning towards tossing LDAP out of the stack- unless I hit compelling evidence to take me there... > Although ramping up on LDAP may be a pain a SQL RDBMS > sounds a little heavy for this solution. or...you could use > berkeleyDB > ;^) Well, yeah- I was going to use a thing called Durus, (somewhat like berkeleyDB) which is a Python Object-Relational DB that's VERY nice, very simples. However, in the end, it would be embedded in the server, so basically it would be taken out of the stack of things to manage in the end. Hrm. Still chewing on this.... Rocket- .ike From fungus at aros.net Tue May 23 16:23:12 2006 From: fungus at aros.net (Lonnie Olson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:23:12 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] RADIUS experiences In-Reply-To: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> References: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: On May 23, 2006, at 12:49 PM, Isaac Levy wrote: > I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with RADIUS servers? I'm > setting one up for a fun project (wireless captive portal), and not > all that exited about using FreeRADIUS- lots of unanswered questions > in my brain... > That stated, my concerns are with ease of management, and redundant > replication for high-availability. I only have experience using Radiator, so I am a bit biased. http://www.open.com.au/radiator/ > I'm basically concerned about scale issues- > > 1) For a network of 300-5000 users, do the standard unix /etc/ > password files scale sanely? I mean, the docs have this as the > default config for user db, which is a type of data backend I'd > usually have in some other kind of DB. It just seems like a recipe > for poor scalability. I think it would work ok for that many users, but not much more. I use an SQL backend for my main radius setup with about 4000 users, but that is kept in sync with the passwd files for my legacy apps. It is pretty ugly, but it works. > 2) LDAP backends? Is this common practice? (I'm concerned about over- > complexity) LDAP does introduce quite a bit of complexity, but could be useful if you have many applications that do authentication. I actually would like to move in that direction "some day". If this is just for radius, don't even bother. > 3) SQL backends? Is this common practice? (Again, concerned about > over-complexity) SQL backends work well, and won't introduce much more complexity if you are already maintaining a db server. However it is not quite as ubiquitous as LDAP in your apps. (unless you look at pam_mysql) > 4) Custom RADIUS implementations- RADIUS is more or less just a > protocol, with defined parameters for how it manages the big AAA. > Since it's the data backend I'm concerned about, (and know a lot > about how to deal with), I'm thinking of just implementing a simple > RADIUS server on top of databases I know and love? I've found a good- > looking RADIUS library in Python, my favorite language, and I was > thinking of rolling my own server with a tiny, easily replicatable, > Python embedded DB. It seems the simplest route to me, but I'm > hesitant because I feel there may be best-practicices for heavy > RADIUS users? (ISP's, Telcos, anyone managing remote AAA) Radiator will connect to a whole lot of different backends. It is extremely configurable, but has a moderate learning curve. If you are just looking for a radius server with a separate authentication database, Radiator w/ an SQL db backend will work fine. However it might be better in the long run to take the time to centralize you authentication if you can. --lonnie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2593 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ike at lesmuug.org Tue May 23 18:52:45 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:52:45 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] RADIUS experiences In-Reply-To: References: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: Thanks Lonnie, On May 23, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Lonnie Olson wrote: > > On May 23, 2006, at 12:49 PM, Isaac Levy wrote: >> I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with RADIUS servers? I'm >> setting one up for a fun project (wireless captive portal), and not >> all that exited about using FreeRADIUS- lots of unanswered questions >> in my brain... >> That stated, my concerns are with ease of management, and redundant >> replication for high-availability. > > I only have experience using Radiator, so I am a bit biased. > http://www.open.com.au/radiator/ Sweet- something new to grok... > >> I'm basically concerned about scale issues- >> >> 1) For a network of 300-5000 users, do the standard unix /etc/ >> password files scale sanely? I mean, the docs have this as the >> default config for user db, which is a type of data backend I'd >> usually have in some other kind of DB. It just seems like a recipe >> for poor scalability. > > I think it would work ok for that many users, but not much more. > I use an SQL backend for my main radius setup with about 4000 > users, but that is kept in sync with the passwd files for my legacy > apps. It is pretty ugly, but it works. Gotcha. > >> 2) LDAP backends? Is this common practice? (I'm concerned about >> over- >> complexity) > > LDAP does introduce quite a bit of complexity, but could be useful > if you have many applications that do authentication. > I actually would like to move in that direction "some day". If > this is just for radius, don't even bother. This is just for RADIUS, and with only one application connecting to it- totally (purposefully) isolated from anything else. > >> 3) SQL backends? Is this common practice? (Again, concerned about >> over-complexity) > > SQL backends work well, and won't introduce much more complexity if > you are already maintaining a db server. However it is not quite > as ubiquitous as LDAP in your apps. (unless you look at pam_mysql) Gotcha. I think, with my application, SQL and LDAP backends seem to be about the same amount of complexity to add- both are extra software to manage/secure, both need some kind of library for the server to interact with them, more or less. > >> 4) Custom RADIUS implementations- RADIUS is more or less just a >> protocol, with defined parameters for how it manages the big AAA. >> Since it's the data backend I'm concerned about, (and know a lot >> about how to deal with), I'm thinking of just implementing a simple >> RADIUS server on top of databases I know and love? I've found a >> good- >> looking RADIUS library in Python, my favorite language, and I was >> thinking of rolling my own server with a tiny, easily replicatable, >> Python embedded DB. It seems the simplest route to me, but I'm >> hesitant because I feel there may be best-practicices for heavy >> RADIUS users? (ISP's, Telcos, anyone managing remote AAA) > > Radiator will connect to a whole lot of different backends. It is > extremely configurable, but has a moderate learning curve. I'm going to look at the map before I go down the path, so to speak- and feel it out- (I'm bound to at least learn something, right?) > > If you are just looking for a radius server with a separate > authentication database, Radiator w/ an SQL db backend will work > fine. However it might be better in the long run to take the time > to centralize you authentication if you can. > > --lonnie Thanks for the experience Lonnie- much appreciated. Rocket, .ike From o_sleep at belovedarctos.com Tue May 23 20:22:38 2006 From: o_sleep at belovedarctos.com (Bjorn Nelson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:22:38 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] RADIUS experiences In-Reply-To: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> References: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: <4D15442E-9D4E-49E3-BCB1-16FE78705265@belovedarctos.com> Ike, On May 23, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Isaac Levy wrote: > 1) For a network of 300-5000 users, do the standard unix /etc/ > password files scale sanely? I mean, the docs have this as the > default config for user db, which is a type of data backend I'd > usually have in some other kind of DB. It just seems like a recipe > for poor scalability. But FreeBSD uses berkeley db for it's password database already. That's what /etc/pwd.db is for :) > 2) LDAP backends? Is this common practice? (I'm concerned about over- > complexity) LDAP is cool because it's pretty easy to hook up other apps to it. > 3) SQL backends? Is this common practice? (Again, concerned about > over-complexity) over-complexity and an extra dependency. Might be worth it if you want to do clustering. > 4) Custom RADIUS implementations- RADIUS is more or less just a > protocol, with defined parameters for how it manages the big AAA. > Since it's the data backend I'm concerned about, (and know a lot > about how to deal with), I'm thinking of just implementing a simple > RADIUS server on top of databases I know and love? I've found a good- > looking RADIUS library in Python, my favorite language, and I was > thinking of rolling my own server with a tiny, easily replicatable, > Python embedded DB. It seems the simplest route to me, but I'm > hesitant because I feel there may be best-practicices for heavy > RADIUS users? (ISP's, Telcos, anyone managing remote AAA) You might want to give sqlite a wack, it's really lightweight but still supports most of sql. -Bjorn From tux at penguinnetwerx.net Tue May 23 22:17:33 2006 From: tux at penguinnetwerx.net (Kevin Reiter) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:17:33 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Zabbix on FreeBSD 6.0 Start Problem Message-ID: <4473C23D.4020802@penguinnetwerx.net> All, I finally got around to playing with Zabbix, and the only issue I've had sofar is the dang thing won't start :) root at chronos [~]# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zabbix_suckerd.sh start /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zabbix_suckerd.sh: WARNING: $zabbix_suckerd_enable is not set properly - see rc.conf(5). root at chronos [~]# cat /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zabbix_suckerd.sh #!/bin/sh . /etc/rc.subr name="zabbix_suckerd" rcvar=`set_rcvar` command="${prefix}/bin/${name}" required_files="/usr/local/etc/zabbix/zabbix_suckerd.conf" run_rc_command "$1" I've only come across 1 post on the mailing list that says it's broken. Does anyone have it working, and if so, would you mind sending me your working rc.d script? I've been playing around with mine to see if I could "coach" it into working, but I'm not getting any love tonight.. Thanks, Kev From dave at donnerjack.com Tue May 23 22:28:11 2006 From: dave at donnerjack.com (David Lawson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:28:11 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Zabbix on FreeBSD 6.0 Start Problem In-Reply-To: <4473C23D.4020802@penguinnetwerx.net> References: <4473C23D.4020802@penguinnetwerx.net> Message-ID: Do you have zabbix_suckerd_enable="YES" in your /etc/rc.conf? --Dave On May 23, 2006, at 10:17 PM, Kevin Reiter wrote: > All, > > I finally got around to playing with Zabbix, and the only issue > I've had > sofar is the dang thing won't start :) > > root at chronos [~]# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zabbix_suckerd.sh start > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zabbix_suckerd.sh: WARNING: $zabbix_suckerd_enable > is not set properly - see rc.conf(5). > > root at chronos [~]# cat /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zabbix_suckerd.sh > #!/bin/sh > > . /etc/rc.subr > > name="zabbix_suckerd" > rcvar=`set_rcvar` > command="${prefix}/bin/${name}" > required_files="/usr/local/etc/zabbix/zabbix_suckerd.conf" > > run_rc_command "$1" > > > I've only come across 1 post on the mailing list that says it's > broken. > Does anyone have it working, and if so, would you mind sending me > your > working rc.d script? I've been playing around with mine to see if I > could "coach" it into working, but I'm not getting any love tonight.. > > Thanks, > Kev > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From rambiusparkisanius at gmail.com Tue May 23 22:33:22 2006 From: rambiusparkisanius at gmail.com (Ivan "Rambius" Ivanov) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 05:33:22 +0300 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Wireless internet card on FreeBSD laptop Message-ID: <89ce7f740605231933t2aef2839qd778fed2fd97c8a1@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I have a laptop with FreeBSD 6.1 on it and I am very glad with it. Recently, I received a card for wireless internet - it is a Verizon Wireless PC5740 card. I would like to run it on my laptop under FreeBSD. Can you provide me some pointers and hints how I can do this. I did some searching on it and I found [1], which contains instruction on how to change the kernel. I followed them and built successfully my kernel wih them, but the problem is that when I plug the card in the laptop, dmesg does not show anything. Could you please provide me some help for setting up the card? Thank you very much in advance. Regards Rambius [1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-February/077555.html -- Tangra Mega Rock: http://www.radiotangra.com From tux at penguinnetwerx.net Tue May 23 22:53:53 2006 From: tux at penguinnetwerx.net (Kevin Reiter) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:53:53 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Zabbix on FreeBSD 6.0 Start Problem In-Reply-To: References: <4473C23D.4020802@penguinnetwerx.net> Message-ID: <4473CAC1.1080000@penguinnetwerx.net> David Lawson wrote: > Do you have zabbix_suckerd_enable="YES" in your /etc/rc.conf? > sure did/do From tux at penguinnetwerx.net Tue May 23 23:05:33 2006 From: tux at penguinnetwerx.net (Kevin Reiter) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:05:33 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] (RESOLVED) Zabbix on FreeBSD 6.0 Start Problem In-Reply-To: <4473C23D.4020802@penguinnetwerx.net> References: <4473C23D.4020802@penguinnetwerx.net> Message-ID: <4473CD7D.3070401@penguinnetwerx.net> Kevin Reiter wrote: > All, > > I finally got around to playing with Zabbix, and the only issue I've had > sofar is the dang thing won't start :) > > root at chronos [~]# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zabbix_suckerd.sh start > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zabbix_suckerd.sh: WARNING: $zabbix_suckerd_enable > is not set properly - see rc.conf(5). > > root at chronos [~]# cat /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zabbix_suckerd.sh > #!/bin/sh > > . /etc/rc.subr > > name="zabbix_suckerd" > rcvar=`set_rcvar` > command="${prefix}/bin/${name}" > required_files="/usr/local/etc/zabbix/zabbix_suckerd.conf" > > run_rc_command "$1" > I found another page from Google using different keywords and came across what seemed like a Makefile from 6.1, so I stole it and added 2 lines to it, and that does the trick. I created /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zabbix.sh and filled it with the following: root at chronos [/usr/local/etc/rc.d]# cat zabbix.sh #!/bin/sh case "${1}" in start) echo -n "Starting Zabbix.." echo '' zabbix_suckerd zabbix_trapperd zabbix_agentd ;; stop) killall zabbix_suckerd killall zabbix_trapperd killall zabbix_agentd ;; *) echo Usage: `basename ${0}` "{start|stop}" ;; esac and now it works: root at chronos [/usr/local/etc/rc.d]# ./zabbix.sh start Starting Zabbix.. root at chronos [/usr/local/etc/rc.d]# ps wax | grep zabbix 8319 ?? S 0:00.10 zabbix_suckerd: housekeeper [sleeping for 1 hour(s)] (zabbix_suckerd) 8795 ?? S 0:00.00 zabbix_trapperd: main process (zabbix_trapperd) 9234 ?? SN 0:00.00 zabbix_agentd: main process (zabbix_agentd) 9299 ?? S 0:00.00 zabbix_trapperd: waiting for connection (zabbix_trapperd) 9317 ?? S 0:00.00 zabbix_trapperd: waiting for connection (zabbix_trapperd) 9547 ?? S 0:00.00 zabbix_trapperd: waiting for connection (zabbix_trapperd) 9582 ?? S 0:00.00 zabbix_trapperd: waiting for connection (zabbix_trapperd) 9708 ?? S 0:00.00 zabbix_trapperd: waiting for connection (zabbix_trapperd) 9727 ?? S 0:00.06 zabbix_suckerd: sender [sleeping for 30 seconds] (zabbix_suckerd) 9926 ?? S 0:00.06 zabbix_suckerd: sleeping for 30 sec (zabbix_suckerd) 10055 ?? S 0:00.06 zabbix_suckerd: pinger [sleeping for 60 seconds] (zabbix_suckerd) 10147 ?? S 0:00.06 zabbix_suckerd: sucker [sleeping for 60 seconds] (zabbix_suckerd) 10913 ?? SN 0:00.00 zabbix_agentd: waiting for connection. Requests [0] (zabbix_agentd) 11217 ?? SN 0:00.00 zabbix_agentd: waiting for connection. Requests [0] (zabbix_agentd) 11554 ?? SN 0:00.00 zabbix_agentd: waiting for connection. Requests [0] (zabbix_agentd) 11746 ?? SN 0:00.00 zabbix_agentd: waiting for connection. Requests [0] (zabbix_agentd) 11809 ?? SN 0:00.00 zabbix_agentd: waiting for connection. Requests [0] (zabbix_agentd) From o_sleep at belovedarctos.com Tue May 23 23:46:39 2006 From: o_sleep at belovedarctos.com (Bjorn Nelson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:46:39 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Zabbix on FreeBSD 6.0 Start Problem In-Reply-To: <4473CAC1.1080000@penguinnetwerx.net> References: <4473C23D.4020802@penguinnetwerx.net> <4473CAC1.1080000@penguinnetwerx.net> Message-ID: <0BE38AA7-4F3D-495F-8EF3-E5620895CEFF@belovedarctos.com> Kevin, On May 23, 2006, at 10:53 PM, Kevin Reiter wrote: > David Lawson wrote: >> Do you have zabbix_suckerd_enable="YES" in your /etc/rc.conf? >> > > sure did/do What does: /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zabbix_suckerd.sh rcvar report? The rc next gen sub system supports dependencies and stuff, much better then a simple shell script. -Bjorn From tux at penguinnetwerx.net Wed May 24 00:12:24 2006 From: tux at penguinnetwerx.net (Kevin Reiter) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:12:24 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Zabbix on FreeBSD 6.0 Start Problem In-Reply-To: <0BE38AA7-4F3D-495F-8EF3-E5620895CEFF@belovedarctos.com> References: <4473C23D.4020802@penguinnetwerx.net> <4473CAC1.1080000@penguinnetwerx.net> <0BE38AA7-4F3D-495F-8EF3-E5620895CEFF@belovedarctos.com> Message-ID: <4473DD28.5070208@penguinnetwerx.net> Bjorn Nelson wrote: > Kevin, > > On May 23, 2006, at 10:53 PM, Kevin Reiter wrote: > >> David Lawson wrote: >>> Do you have zabbix_suckerd_enable="YES" in your /etc/rc.conf? >>> >> >> sure did/do > > What does: > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zabbix_suckerd.sh rcvar > > report? root at chronos [/usr/local/etc/rc.d]# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zabbix_suckerd.sh rcvar # zabbix_suckerd /usr/local/etc/rc.d/zabbix_suckerd.sh: WARNING: $zabbix_suckerd_enable is not set properly - see rc.conf(5). $zabbix_suckerd_enable=NO root at chronos [/usr/local/etc/rc.d]# cat /etc/rc.conf | grep zabbix zabbix_suckerd_enable="YES" zabbix_agentd_enable="YES" ...unless there's another way to enable it in /etc/rc.conf that I've not heard about.. :) > The rc next gen sub system supports dependencies and stuff, much better > then a simple shell script. and one of these days I'll get off my chair and actually learn about it ;) From g at bin-arts.com Wed May 24 00:28:31 2006 From: g at bin-arts.com (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:28:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Wireless internet card on FreeBSD laptop In-Reply-To: <89ce7f740605231933t2aef2839qd778fed2fd97c8a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0IZR00DUB5RJLN70@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Rambius, Last summer I was able to get my cruddy Jetbook laptop working just fine with FreeBSD 5.4 and a Linksys 802.11G card using "The NDISulator" (a.k.a. "Project Evil") which creates a clever FreeBSD kernel-compatible wrapper around an NDIS NIC driver (intended to be installed under Windows). http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.h tml "27.3.3.6.3 802.11a & 802.11g Clients" Using a true native driver might be preferable, but Project Evil *is* a viable option. Hope this helps. Cheers, Gordon Smith -----Original Message----- From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Ivan "Rambius" Ivanov Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:33 PM To: talk at lists.nycbug.org Subject: [nycbug-talk] Wireless internet card on FreeBSD laptop Hello, I have a laptop with FreeBSD 6.1 on it and I am very glad with it. Recently, I received a card for wireless internet - it is a Verizon Wireless PC5740 card. I would like to run it on my laptop under FreeBSD. Can you provide me some pointers and hints how I can do this. I did some searching on it and I found [1], which contains instruction on how to change the kernel. I followed them and built successfully my kernel wih them, but the problem is that when I plug the card in the laptop, dmesg does not show anything. Could you please provide me some help for setting up the card? Thank you very much in advance. Regards Rambius [1] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-February/077555.ht ml -- Tangra Mega Rock: http://www.radiotangra.com _______________________________________________ % NYC*BUG talk mailing list http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists %We meet the first Wednesday of the month From driodeiros at gmail.com Wed May 24 02:04:10 2006 From: driodeiros at gmail.com (David Rio Deiros) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:04:10 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] HPN-SSH In-Reply-To: <20060522193724.GB15361@ayvali.org> References: <35011.160.33.20.11.1148318611.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <20060522184520.GA11176@clam.khaoz.org> <20060522193724.GB15361@ayvali.org> Message-ID: <20060524060409.GA22957@mail5.console.net> On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 03:37:24PM -0400, N.J. Thomas wrote: > * Okan Demirmen [2006-05-22 14:45:20 -0400]: > > as an alternative, consider piping over ssh - that tends to be so much > > faster than scp'ing (for me) - however, i have to numbers to back that > > up ;) > > I do this when I need to do a quick and dirty file transfer and security > is not a concern: > > $ nc -v -l 10000|tar xvf - # wait for file to be transferred > $ tar cf - foo |nc -v example.org 10000 # (sending machine) transfer file Also, using this method (and even ssh) you may want to read this: http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/tcptune/ Basically it explains how to tweak the tcp/ip stack in order to get a better performance. This is very interesting also: http://www.sun.com/blueprints/0203/817-1657.pdf David From riegersteve at gmail.com Wed May 24 03:10:44 2006 From: riegersteve at gmail.com (Steve Rieger) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:10:44 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Zabbix on FreeBSD 6.0 Start Problem In-Reply-To: <4473DD28.5070208@penguinnetwerx.net> References: <4473C23D.4020802@penguinnetwerx.net> <4473CAC1.1080000@penguinnetwerx.net> <0BE38AA7-4F3D-495F-8EF3-E5620895CEFF@belovedarctos.com> <4473DD28.5070208@penguinnetwerx.net> Message-ID: beware of the db size it will grow immensely. just advice. From tux at penguinnetwerx.net Wed May 24 09:50:38 2006 From: tux at penguinnetwerx.net (Kevin Reiter) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:50:38 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Zabbix on FreeBSD 6.0 Start Problem In-Reply-To: References: <4473C23D.4020802@penguinnetwerx.net> <4473CAC1.1080000@penguinnetwerx.net> <0BE38AA7-4F3D-495F-8EF3-E5620895CEFF@belovedarctos.com> <4473DD28.5070208@penguinnetwerx.net> Message-ID: <447464AE.9030501@penguinnetwerx.net> Steve Rieger wrote: > beware of the db size it will grow immensely. > > > just advice. Thanks. I've read about that and I'll be keeping an eye on it. This is mainly for testing purposes right now to see if Zabbix is going to be an option for some of my clients. From nikolai at fetissov.org Wed May 24 11:26:49 2006 From: nikolai at fetissov.org (nikolai) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] RADIUS experiences In-Reply-To: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> References: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: <64277.63.66.6.15.1148484409.squirrel@www.geekisp.com> > Hi All, > > I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with RADIUS servers? I'm > setting one up for a fun project (wireless captive portal), and not > all that exited about using FreeRADIUS- lots of unanswered questions > in my brain... Hi Ike, Care to share your ideas for that wireless captive portal? I'm playing with (well, mostly thinking about) the same thing with my soekris/open/authpf/hostapd/etc. Would be nice to see where other people are moving. Cheers, -- Nikolai From rambiusparkisanius at gmail.com Wed May 24 12:30:53 2006 From: rambiusparkisanius at gmail.com (Ivan "Rambius" Ivanov) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:30:53 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Wireless internet card on FreeBSD laptop In-Reply-To: <0IZR00DUB5RJLN70@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> References: <89ce7f740605231933t2aef2839qd778fed2fd97c8a1@mail.gmail.com> <0IZR00DUB5RJLN70@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <89ce7f740605240930o39306afbl333962edefc19ac3@mail.gmail.com> Hello, On 5/24/06, Gordon Smith wrote: > Rambius, > > Last summer I was able to get my cruddy Jetbook laptop working just fine > with FreeBSD 5.4 and a Linksys 802.11G card using "The NDISulator" (a.k.a. > "Project Evil") which creates a clever FreeBSD kernel-compatible wrapper > around an NDIS NIC driver (intended to be installed under Windows). > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.h > tml > "27.3.3.6.3 802.11a & 802.11g Clients" I read this section and I tried the follow the steps in it. However, when I had to provide the Windows drivers *.INF and *.SYS files I found out that they were not supplied on the CDs from Verizon. I then looked for them on the Windows laptop and I found the following *.SYS and *.INF files in C:\Program Files\Verizon Wireless\PC5740: pwi_bus.cat pwi_bus.inf pwi_bus.sys pwi_cmnt.sys pwi_ir16.dll pwi_ir32.dll pwi_mdfl.sys pwi_mdm.cat pwi_mdm.sys pwi_mdm2.inf pwi_oflt.sys pwi_sdm2.inf pwi_serd.cat pwi_serd.sys PWI_Uninstall.exe pwi_whnt.sys pwi_wmcp.dll I tried to build a ndis driver using pwi_bus.inf and pwi_bus.sys, but I had no luck - when I loaded them, dmesg showed nothing. > > Using a true native driver might be preferable, but Project Evil *is* a > viable option. Yes, I was happy to have it as a starter. Now the question is where I can take the Windows drivers for that card... > > Hope this helps. Thank you vey much for your help. Regards Rambius -- Tangra Mega Rock: http://www.radiotangra.com From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com Wed May 24 14:02:40 2006 From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:02:40 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] RADIUS experiences In-Reply-To: <37541.160.33.20.11.1148411324.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> <37541.160.33.20.11.1148411324.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <86C1EF40-C43F-4311-8965-5FF5E7236B80@2xlp.com> On May 23, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Peter Wright wrote: >> 2) LDAP backends? Is this common practice? (I'm concerned about >> over- >> complexity) >> > aside from the initial learning curve of setting up an ldap > environment we > seem to have pretty good success using LDAP+RADIUS for our wireless > and > remote access networks. LDAP is ideal for that use because of the internal caching implementations and lookup schemes that it uses - it was pretty much designed to optimize what you want to do. Not to knock on RDBMs -- using a query cache in mysql kind of works similar, but not nearly as well because of the way everything must be bit-for-bit exact and expiry times -- and you're using mysql. I'm not too familiar with Postgres's query caching. >> 3) SQL backends? Is this common practice? (Again, concerned about >> over-complexity) i know a lot of people who use mysql/sqlite for similar things. they all generally do it because of not knowing LDAP. but i don't think its overcomplicated - in fact, its really quite easy and extensible. most projects that support any sort of lookup for accounts seem to be providing sql binding for mysql/postgres/ sqlite now. one of the reasons why is because they're super extensible - you can toss a ton of account configuration and settings into it, as well as tracking -- and only admin 1 database instead of linking a dozen things together. it makes things easier than running stuff through PAM too. > I'm familiar with LDAP so i'll lean that way. There are plenty > python and > perl libraries to make scripting ldap easy...and frankly ldap is > just a > database anyway. Although ramping up on LDAP may be a pain a SQL > RDBMS > sounds a little heavy for this solution. or...you could use > berkeleyDB I'm seconding LDAP. The python bindings for openldap are pretty simple. Ike- If you're still working w/MOB and have the old server contents archived, I had a super simple cron job running on the email server that would do some LDAP access to do spam filtering and permission fixing on email accounts. you could stab at that and be an expert at python/ldap in about 3 minutes of toying around. The only thing that I wasn't super excited with in regards to ldap was that by default passwords aren't secure - they're 2way encrypted and I believe the domain manager can decrypt at will (i don't lilke that). It takes a bit of work to use a hashed/digest system for passwords/authentication. | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | RoadSound.com / Indie-Rock.net | Collaborative Online Management And Syndication Tools | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From ike at lesmuug.org Wed May 24 15:49:17 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:49:17 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] RADIUS experiences In-Reply-To: <64277.63.66.6.15.1148484409.squirrel@www.geekisp.com> References: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> <64277.63.66.6.15.1148484409.squirrel@www.geekisp.com> Message-ID: Hi Nikolai, On May 24, 2006, at 11:26 AM, nikolai wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with RADIUS servers? I'm >> setting one up for a fun project (wireless captive portal), and not >> all that exited about using FreeRADIUS- lots of unanswered questions >> in my brain... > > Hi Ike, > Care to share your ideas for that wireless captive portal? > I'm playing with (well, mostly thinking about) the same > thing with my soekris/open/authpf/hostapd/etc. Would be > nice to see where other people are moving. > Cheers, > -- > Nikolai 2 thoughts to share with regard to wireless Captive Portals: http://pfsense.com/ http://m0n0.ch/wall/ Very good stuff... I'm having a blast with these. Rocket- .ike From spork at bway.net Wed May 24 16:55:44 2006 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] RADIUS experiences In-Reply-To: References: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> <64277.63.66.6.15.1148484409.squirrel@www.geekisp.com> Message-ID: <20060524165404.H77901@sporker.bway.net> On Wed, 24 May 2006, Isaac Levy wrote: > 2 thoughts to share with regard to wireless Captive Portals: > > http://pfsense.com/ > http://m0n0.ch/wall/ > Very good stuff... I'm having a blast with these. PFSense is moving along very quickly. It's a very nice package. This is pretty neat if you have a bunch of APs to deal with: http://dev.wifidog.org/ Charles > Rocket- > .ike > > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de Thu May 25 06:17:16 2006 From: freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de (Fabian Keil) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:17:16 +0200 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Wireless internet card on FreeBSD laptop In-Reply-To: <89ce7f740605240930o39306afbl333962edefc19ac3@mail.gmail.com> References: <89ce7f740605231933t2aef2839qd778fed2fd97c8a1@mail.gmail.com> <0IZR00DUB5RJLN70@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <89ce7f740605240930o39306afbl333962edefc19ac3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060525121716.3c011745@localhost> "Ivan \"Rambius\" Ivanov" wrote: > On 5/24/06, Gordon Smith wrote: > > Rambius, > > > > Last summer I was able to get my cruddy Jetbook laptop working just > > fine with FreeBSD 5.4 and a Linksys 802.11G card using "The > > NDISulator" (a.k.a. "Project Evil") which creates a clever FreeBSD > > kernel-compatible wrapper around an NDIS NIC driver (intended to be > > installed under Windows). > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-wireless.h > > tml > > "27.3.3.6.3 802.11a & 802.11g Clients" > I read this section and I tried the follow the steps in it. However, > when I had to provide the Windows drivers *.INF and *.SYS files I > found out that they were not supplied on the CDs from Verizon. I then > looked for them on the Windows laptop and I found the following *.SYS > and *.INF files in C:\Program Files\Verizon Wireless\PC5740: > > pwi_bus.cat > pwi_bus.inf > pwi_bus.sys > pwi_cmnt.sys > pwi_ir16.dll > pwi_ir32.dll > pwi_mdfl.sys > pwi_mdm.cat > pwi_mdm.sys > pwi_mdm2.inf > pwi_oflt.sys > pwi_sdm2.inf > pwi_serd.cat > pwi_serd.sys > PWI_Uninstall.exe > pwi_whnt.sys > pwi_wmcp.dll > > I tried to build a ndis driver using pwi_bus.inf and pwi_bus.sys, but > I had no luck - when I loaded them, dmesg showed nothing. The section you read is outdated. Use ndisgen(8). Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It seems that the .inf and .sys files which I copied from the Windows laptop (which was given to me by my employer with the wireless card) to the FreeBSD are not the correct driver files... Regards Ivan -- Tangra Mega Rock: http://www.radiotangra.com From freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de Thu May 25 08:02:35 2006 From: freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de (Fabian Keil) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:02:35 +0200 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Wireless internet card on FreeBSD laptop In-Reply-To: <89ce7f740605250423yc4db7a9uf2917933c024906e@mail.gmail.com> References: <89ce7f740605231933t2aef2839qd778fed2fd97c8a1@mail.gmail.com> <0IZR00DUB5RJLN70@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <89ce7f740605240930o39306afbl333962edefc19ac3@mail.gmail.com> <20060525121716.3c011745@localhost> <89ce7f740605250423yc4db7a9uf2917933c024906e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060525140235.285d06d8@localhost> "Ivan \"Rambius\" Ivanov" wrote: > On 5/25/06, Fabian Keil wrote: > > > > The section you read is outdated. > > Use ndisgen(8). > I tried ndisgen in the following way: > > # ndisgen pwi_bus.inf pwi_bus.sys > > bit it failed with with the error message "I don't recognize this file > format. It may not be a valid .INF file". > > It seems that the .inf and .sys files which I copied from the Windows > laptop (which was given to me by my employer with the wireless card) > to the FreeBSD are not the correct driver files... Does the inf file look valid? It should begin similar to this one: fk at TP51 ~ $head -n 20 /root/w22n51.inf ;****************************************************************************** ; w22n51.INF ; ; Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 LAN Adapters ; Installation Script for Windows XP ; ; Copyright (c) 2004 Intel, Inc. All Rights Reserved ; ;------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ;****************************************************************************** ; Version Section ;------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [version] Signature = "$Windows NT$" Compatible = 1 Class = net ClassGUID = {4d36e972-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318} Provider = %PROVIDER_NAME% DriverVer = 08/24/2004,8.1.0.28 Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is this common practice? (I'm concerned about over- > complexity) I'm running FreeRADIUS with an OpenLDAP backend to support an Aruba wireless system. A consideration with LDAP/SQL is that not all authentication methods will be available to you. If you intend to bind to LDAP to authenticate and you're using WPA you'll need to have your users set TTLS/PAP as the authentication scheme. This is because the other mechanisms prehash the passwords and the binds will all fail. (See FreeRADIUS mailing list for details). > 3) SQL backends? Is this common practice? (Again, concerned about > over-complexity) Fairly common for large deployments, I prefer LDAP for these cases because it's easier to replicate everywhere and seems to be more widely supported for authentication. Let me know if you have questions, I've done a few large deployments with both SQL and LDAP authentication for services with RADIUS for wireless/routers/firewalls/etc. --Paul From g at bin-arts.com Thu May 25 08:55:51 2006 From: g at bin-arts.com (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:55:51 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Wireless internet card on FreeBSD laptop In-Reply-To: <89ce7f740605250423yc4db7a9uf2917933c024906e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0IZT00GU6NX40P70@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Ivan, In a previous message, you mentioned Verizon - they are probably rebranding someone else's card (e.g. Dlink, Linksys etc.). If you haven't already done so, I'd recommend contacting Verizon's (or other point of sale) tech support, find out what make and model the card really is, and download that driver from the manufacturer's website. Cheers, Gordon Smith -----Original Message----- From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Ivan "Rambius" Ivanov Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:24 AM To: Fabian Keil Cc: talk at lists.nycbug.org Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] Wireless internet card on FreeBSD laptop Hello, Thank you for your suggestion. On 5/25/06, Fabian Keil wrote: > > The section you read is outdated. > Use ndisgen(8). I tried ndisgen in the following way: # ndisgen pwi_bus.inf pwi_bus.sys bit it failed with with the error message "I don't recognize this file format. It may not be a valid .INF file". It seems that the .inf and .sys files which I copied from the Windows laptop (which was given to me by my employer with the wireless card) to the FreeBSD are not the correct driver files... Regards Ivan -- Tangra Mega Rock: http://www.radiotangra.com _______________________________________________ % NYC*BUG talk mailing list http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists %We meet the first Wednesday of the month From ike at lesmuug.org Thu May 25 10:08:54 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:08:54 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Dtrace meets FreeBSD Message-ID: Hey All, I bet most folks here read Daemon News, but this is pretty cool: Robert Watson Post: Dtrace for FreeBSD is up and running: http://bsdnews.com/view_story.php3?story_id=5795 Dtrace is of course the much-loved kernel visibility utility from Solaris... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dtrace Rocket- .ike From ike at lesmuug.org Thu May 25 10:37:47 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:37:47 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] HPN-SSH In-Reply-To: <35011.160.33.20.11.1148318611.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <35011.160.33.20.11.1148318611.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <696D5192-432E-45C6-87B5-616CA3DCD57D@lesmuug.org> Hi Pete, All, On May 22, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Peter Wright wrote: > http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ > > basicly it's a patch to openssh to allow tuning of the internal flow > control buffers. I'm currently googling for comments from openssh > team... So what do the OpenSSH guys say about HPN-SSH? Rocket- .ike From fungus at aros.net Thu May 25 14:02:53 2006 From: fungus at aros.net (Lonnie Olson) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:02:53 -0600 Subject: [nycbug-talk] RADIUS experiences In-Reply-To: References: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: On May 25, 2006, at 6:47 AM, Paul Dlug wrote: > Let me know if you have questions, I've done a few large deployments > with both SQL and LDAP authentication for services with RADIUS for > wireless/routers/firewalls/etc. Right now I have a hacktacular setup w/ passwd files synchronized w/ an SQL table as well. I am planning to migrate to an LDAP infrastructure. I do have some experience w/ LDAP (Samba backend), but I would like some pointers to guides or books for best practices when using LDAP for centralized authentication. --lonnie -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The replication part seems pretty easy to implement but the fail-over seems to be more complicated. I have seen a couple of implementations that are based on this: . mysql is configured to do replication. . the slave pings the master to see if it is alive . if it is dead, the slave changes the dns information to make the master name point to its ip. . when the master is back again the dns is changed back to point the master's ip. I don't know what you guys think but I see tons of problems with this configuration, but the most important one is: The replication solution is totally asynchronous, which means that the master could potentially commit information before those changes are also committed to the slave. This will end up with a corrupted database. The only real solution that I have seen so far is MySQL clustering but I don't have time, neither the resources to implement that solution. What do you guys think? Is MySQL clustering the only valid solution here? Thanks, David From spork at bway.net Thu May 25 16:05:32 2006 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] RADIUS experiences In-Reply-To: <20060525141315.C525@dru.domain.org> References: <51E016B4-B5DA-4E3C-9E0D-B451405DFE53@lesmuug.org> <20060525141315.C525@dru.domain.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 25 May 2006, Dru wrote: > On Thu, 25 May 2006, Lonnie Olson wrote: > >> Right now I have a hacktacular setup > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > There's my cool word of the day :-) One day at work I started to dig through one of those "questionable hardware" piles - CDR drives, memory, old network cards, power supplies, etc. About halfway through I started labelling the flakiest pieces with a label that had the date and the word "craptacular". :) C > Dru > > > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > From stucchi at willystudios.com Thu May 25 17:20:31 2006 From: stucchi at willystudios.com (Massimiliano Stucchi) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:20:31 +0200 Subject: [nycbug-talk] mysql replication and failover In-Reply-To: <20060525183926.GA12077@mail5.console.net> References: <20060525183926.GA12077@mail5.console.net> Message-ID: <20060525212031.GQ29589@willystudios.com> On 250506, 11:39, David Rio Deiros wrote: > > What do you guys think? Is MySQL clustering the only valid solution > here? Not really. There is this new method, available only with MySQL 5.1, which enables you to have master/master replication. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/04/20/advanced-mysql-replication.html It'a nice feature. Ciao ! -- Massimiliano Stucchi, CTO & Director of Operations WillyStudios.com - IT Consulting, Web and VoIP Services stucchi at willystudios.com | Tel (+39) 0244417203 | Fax (+39) 0244417204 IT-20040, Carnate (Milano), via Carducci 9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available URL: From spork at bway.net Thu May 25 23:15:42 2006 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD scp/sftp problems, large files Message-ID: Hi all, I'm a little stumped by this and thought I'd bring it up here before hitting the openssh list... I have two FreeBSD boxes, one at a datacenter running 4.11 (OpenSSH 3.5p1) and then one at the office running 6.1 (OpenSSH 4.2p1). Both are stock/base-system OpenSSH installs. The two locations are connected by a 10Mb metro-ethernet connection. No problems going from the 4.11 host at the datacenter to another 4.11 host at the office. The problem is that going from the 4.11 to the 6.1 box is that scp or sftp transfers fail consistently at about 8.3MB. The ssh client reports "lost connection" and exits. Nothing in the logs on either machine. The 4.11 box runs ipf, the 6.1 runs pf, and I see no signs of this in the firewall logs of either box. No evidence of problems in "netstat -m" on either. If I go from the 6.1 box to the 4.11 box (ie: the 6.1 is the client), no problems. Any ideas where to hunt? Why 8.3MB to failure? Thanks, Charles From pete at nomadlogic.org Fri May 26 09:21:26 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:21:26 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD scp/sftp problems, large files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060526132126.GB3248@sunset.nomadlogic.org> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:15:42PM -0400, Charles Sprickman wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm a little stumped by this and thought I'd bring it up here before > hitting the openssh list... > > I have two FreeBSD boxes, one at a datacenter running 4.11 (OpenSSH 3.5p1) > and then one at the office running 6.1 (OpenSSH 4.2p1). Both are > stock/base-system OpenSSH installs. The two locations are connected by a > 10Mb metro-ethernet connection. No problems going from the 4.11 host at > the datacenter to another 4.11 host at the office. > > The problem is that going from the 4.11 to the 6.1 box is that scp or sftp > transfers fail consistently at about 8.3MB. The ssh client reports "lost > connection" and exits. Nothing in the logs on either machine. The 4.11 > box runs ipf, the 6.1 runs pf, and I see no signs of this in the firewall > logs of either box. No evidence of problems in "netstat -m" on either. > > If I go from the 6.1 box to the 4.11 box (ie: the 6.1 is the client), no > problems. > > Any ideas where to hunt? Why 8.3MB to failure? > hmm..that's a good one. do you have a private link between both of these machines, or is the path over the public 'net? if it's private it may be interesting to see home ttcp or something like that would behave. if not maybe create a ssh tunnel b/w the two hosts and try ttcp'ing. this may help you isolate where the problem may be happening... -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From kacanski_s at yahoo.com Fri May 26 09:44:45 2006 From: kacanski_s at yahoo.com (Aleksandar Kacanski) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD scp/sftp problems, large files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060526134445.17457.qmail@web53601.mail.yahoo.com> I had similar problem with Linux, but I had NAT to deal with on the top of Cisco FW. My issue was not repeating on exact MB boundary like yours, it would fluctuate in sizes. However I never made total of 350Mb. My work-around was to place the data to intermediary server in DC and push from there. Eventually, I did bypass NAT and that solved the problem. /s --- Charles Sprickman wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm a little stumped by this and thought I'd bring > it up here before > hitting the openssh list... > > I have two FreeBSD boxes, one at a datacenter > running 4.11 (OpenSSH 3.5p1) > and then one at the office running 6.1 (OpenSSH > 4.2p1). Both are > stock/base-system OpenSSH installs. The two > locations are connected by a > 10Mb metro-ethernet connection. No problems going > from the 4.11 host at > the datacenter to another 4.11 host at the office. > > The problem is that going from the 4.11 to the 6.1 > box is that scp or sftp > transfers fail consistently at about 8.3MB. The ssh > client reports "lost > connection" and exits. Nothing in the logs on > either machine. The 4.11 > box runs ipf, the 6.1 runs pf, and I see no signs of > this in the firewall > logs of either box. No evidence of problems in > "netstat -m" on either. > > If I go from the 6.1 box to the 4.11 box (ie: the > 6.1 is the client), no > problems. > > Any ideas where to hunt? Why 8.3MB to failure? > > Thanks, > > Charles > _______________________________________________ > % NYC*BUG talk mailing list > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce > lists > %We meet the first Wednesday of the month > Aleksandar (Sasha) Kacanski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From md+nycbug at mailq.de Fri May 26 11:47:35 2006 From: md+nycbug at mailq.de (Mischa Diehm) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:47:35 +0200 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD scp/sftp problems, large files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060526154735.GA26866@mailq.de> Hi, On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:15:42PM -0400, Charles Sprickman wrote: > The problem is that going from the 4.11 to the 6.1 box is that scp or sftp > transfers fail consistently at about 8.3MB. The ssh client reports "lost > connection" and exits. Nothing in the logs on either machine. The 4.11 > box runs ipf, the 6.1 runs pf, and I see no signs of this in the firewall > logs of either box. No evidence of problems in "netstat -m" on either. could you dump on either box to see who closes the connection? could you check without paketfilters turned on? could be almost anything with the description provided. Mischa From ike at lesmuug.org Fri May 26 13:25:14 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:25:14 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Virtual Call Center Experiences Message-ID: <74F3A978-8BBF-4777-9155-68DAD5D2200C@lesmuug.org> Hey All, It's a bit off the direct *BSD topic, but I'm wondering if anyone here has any experience with 'Virtual Call Center' vendors? So far, I've been emailing a vendor from http://angel.com/, they seem pretty cool. They have a 'Virtual Receptionist' package for $40/mo that looks like it would really help a small VAR/Consultant/Hired-Gun like myself, manage my spikes of incoming support/etc calls- and they have full-on call-center operations for $300 and up. Has anyone (ISP people here) used these kinds of services? Any recommendations? Thanks! .ike From stucchi at willystudios.com Fri May 26 16:46:58 2006 From: stucchi at willystudios.com (Massimiliano Stucchi) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:46:58 +0200 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Virtual Call Center Experiences In-Reply-To: <74F3A978-8BBF-4777-9155-68DAD5D2200C@lesmuug.org> References: <74F3A978-8BBF-4777-9155-68DAD5D2200C@lesmuug.org> Message-ID: <20060526204658.GB42304@willystudios.com> On 260506, 13:25, Isaac Levy wrote: > > Has anyone (ISP people here) used these kinds of services? Any > recommendations? Just throw in a small machine, install asterisk on it, buy a DID from any vendor out there and with ~20 lines of dialplan you're done. If you give me more details on what you would like to achieve, I may give you some direct help. Ciao ! -- Massimiliano Stucchi, CTO & Director of Operations WillyStudios.com - IT Consulting, Web and VoIP Services stucchi at willystudios.com | Tel (+39) 0244417203 | Fax (+39) 0244417204 IT-20040, Carnate (Milano), via Carducci 9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available URL: From driodeiros at gmail.com Sat May 27 17:33:38 2006 From: driodeiros at gmail.com (David Rio Deiros) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:33:38 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] mysql replication and failover In-Reply-To: <20060525212031.GQ29589@willystudios.com> References: <20060525183926.GA12077@mail5.console.net> <20060525212031.GQ29589@willystudios.com> Message-ID: <20060527213338.GA20599@mail5.console.net> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:20:31PM +0200, Massimiliano Stucchi wrote: > On 250506, 11:39, David Rio Deiros wrote: > > > > What do you guys think? Is MySQL clustering the only valid solution > > here? > > Not really. There is this new method, available only with MySQL 5.1, > which enables you to have master/master replication. > > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/04/20/advanced-mysql-replication.html > > It'a nice feature. Thanks for the reply Massimiliano and sorry for the late reply. Finally I decided to implement a solution based on replication only. The reason is because the database is going to server reads most of the time. The article you sent is very interesting but there is something that still don't understand. When you use the autoincrement feature found in mysql5, you're solving a problem but you are also introducing another one since the ids are totally different between servers. That means you have to make the application aware about it. Thanks, David From marco at metm.org Sat May 27 19:11:29 2006 From: marco at metm.org (Marco Scoffier) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 19:11:29 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Virtual Call Center Experiences In-Reply-To: <20060526204658.GB42304@willystudios.com> References: <74F3A978-8BBF-4777-9155-68DAD5D2200C@lesmuug.org> <20060526204658.GB42304@willystudios.com> Message-ID: <20060527231129.GA29193@ns.metm.org> On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 10:46:58PM +0200, Massimiliano Stucchi wrote: >On 260506, 13:25, Isaac Levy wrote: >> >> Has anyone (ISP people here) used these kinds of services? Any >> recommendations? > >Just throw in a small machine, install asterisk on it, buy a DID from >any vendor out there and with ~20 lines of dialplan you're done. > >If you give me more details on what you would like to achieve, I may >give you some direct help. > Hi Massimiliano, Who will give you 20 lines of dialplan with calls incoming only ? I am setting up similar systems with asterisk, and am stuck at 4 simultaneous lines with voicepulse connect service. Thanks, -- Marco From ike at lesmuug.org Sun May 28 02:16:28 2006 From: ike at lesmuug.org (Isaac Levy) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 02:16:28 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Virtual Call Center Experiences In-Reply-To: <20060526204658.GB42304@willystudios.com> References: <74F3A978-8BBF-4777-9155-68DAD5D2200C@lesmuug.org> <20060526204658.GB42304@willystudios.com> Message-ID: <19F414D5-E4A8-42A9-83F7-C947B1F5D956@lesmuug.org> Hi Max, On May 26, 2006, at 4:46 PM, Massimiliano Stucchi wrote: > On 260506, 13:25, Isaac Levy wrote: >> >> Has anyone (ISP people here) used these kinds of services? Any >> recommendations? > > Just throw in a small machine, install asterisk on it, buy a DID from > any vendor out there and with ~20 lines of dialplan you're done. Well, that's much more appropriate for this list- but I think the $40/ mo plan would totally do the job, and that cost far outweighs my time on setting it up. If I scale and this project becomes a mega-operation, (more than just me and some occasional hired helpers), then this sounds cost- effective as well as fun... > > If you give me more details on what you would like to achieve, I may > give you some direct help. > > Ciao ! I'll keep that in mind... Rocket- .ike From lists at stringsutils.com Mon May 29 00:14:36 2006 From: lists at stringsutils.com (Francisco Reyes) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 00:14:36 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD scp/sftp problems, large files References: Message-ID: Charles Sprickman writes: > If I go from the 6.1 box to the 4.11 box (ie: the 6.1 is the client), no > problems. By the above do you mean scp from 6.1 to 4.11 box? What happens if you run scp from 6.1 to get data from the 4.11? Like scp user at 411:/somepath . From spork at bway.net Mon May 29 00:47:56 2006 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 00:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD scp/sftp problems, large files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 29 May 2006, Francisco Reyes wrote: > Charles Sprickman writes: > >> If I go from the 6.1 box to the 4.11 box (ie: the 6.1 is the client), no >> problems. > > By the above do you mean scp from 6.1 to 4.11 box? > What happens if you run scp from 6.1 to get data from the 4.11? > Like scp user at 411:/somepath . Works great, in fact that's how I ended up getting 30GB of data across. I'm going to try and get some dumps of the traffic if it fails, but I've been less than lucky with PRs lately. Somewhere I think I still have one open on OS-X->FreeBSD 4.x tcp slowness, probably related to the specific card I'm using (sis). Charles From lists at genoverly.net Mon May 29 09:18:08 2006 From: lists at genoverly.net (michael) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:18:08 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Hackathon Message-ID: <20060529091808.63091c0b@*.wit.genoverly.home> NYC developer (and NYCBUG guy) Ray, part of interview. http://kerneltrap.org/openbsd/c2k6/who1 OpenCVS may happen one day, after all.. -- Michael From stucchi at willystudios.com Mon May 29 09:45:48 2006 From: stucchi at willystudios.com (Massimiliano Stucchi) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:45:48 +0200 Subject: [nycbug-talk] mysql replication and failover In-Reply-To: <20060527213338.GA20599@mail5.console.net> References: <20060525183926.GA12077@mail5.console.net> <20060525212031.GQ29589@willystudios.com> <20060527213338.GA20599@mail5.console.net> Message-ID: <20060529134548.GB63977@willystudios.com> On 270506, 14:33, David Rio Deiros wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:20:31PM +0200, Massimiliano Stucchi wrote: > > On 250506, 11:39, David Rio Deiros wrote: > > > > > > What do you guys think? Is MySQL clustering the only valid solution > > > here? > > > > Not really. There is this new method, available only with MySQL 5.1, > > which enables you to have master/master replication. > > > > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/04/20/advanced-mysql-replication.html > > > > It'a nice feature. > > Thanks for the reply Massimiliano and sorry for the late reply. No problem. > Finally I decided to implement a solution based on replication only. The > reason is because the database is going to server reads most of the > time. I see. > The article you sent is very interesting but there is something that > still don't understand. When you use the autoincrement feature found > in mysql5, you're solving a problem but you are also introducing another > one since the ids are totally different between servers. That means > you have to make the application aware about it. You have to make applications aware of multiple databases they can read/write to, but there's no compatibility problem for what concerns id's. ID's are unique accross machines. What you introduce is some type of randomization, in order no to have situations where a write is done at the same exact time on two different machines, replication is interrupted whoknowswhy, and you end up having two different tuples with the same id but different data. I've experienced this problem back in the 3.23.x days with a master/master-like implementation which lacked this sort of mechanisms. Ciao ! -- Massimiliano Stucchi, CTO & Director of Operations WillyStudios.com - IT Consulting, Web and VoIP Services stucchi at willystudios.com | Tel (+39) 0244417203 | Fax (+39) 0244417204 IT-20040, Carnate (Milano), via Carducci 9 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lists at zaunere.com Mon May 29 10:04:45 2006 From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:04:45 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] mysql replication and failover In-Reply-To: <20060529134548.GB63977@willystudios.com> Message-ID: <009f01c68328$d89baf90$650aa8c0@mobilez> Massimiliano Stucchi wrote on Monday, May 29, 2006 9:46 AM: > On 270506, 14:33, David Rio Deiros wrote: > > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:20:31PM +0200, Massimiliano Stucchi > > wrote: > > > On 250506, 11:39, David Rio Deiros wrote: > > > > > > > > What do you guys think? Is MySQL clustering the only valid > > > > solution here? > > > > > > Not really. There is this new method, available only with MySQL > > > 5.1, which enables you to have master/master replication. > > > > > > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/04/20/advanced-mysql-replication.htm l > > > > > > It'a nice feature. > > > > Thanks for the reply Massimiliano and sorry for the late reply. > > No problem. > > > Finally I decided to implement a solution based on replication > > only. The reason is because the database is going to server reads > > most of the time. > > I see. > > > The article you sent is very interesting but there is something that > > still don't understand. When you use the autoincrement feature found > > in mysql5, you're solving a problem but you are also introducing > > another one since the ids are totally different between servers. > > That means you have to make the application aware about it. Absolutely. It should be noted that the auto_increment "fix" for master-master replication in MySQL is only a small part of the problem. Master-master, or "update anywhere" as some databases call it, is quite a complex animal. Without considerable application or database intelligence for what's called conflict resolution, subtle problems with your data can develop. This is why, for instance, even the conflict resolution protocols of the likes of DB2 and Oracle are not always full proof. With zero application awareness, either data inconsistencies or performancae issues arise. And there's mor than auto_increments/sequences - anything based on unique timestamps or the ordering of timestamps become meaningless, for instance Just remember that MySQL still uses async. replication with no conflict resolution, even with their patch for the auto_increments. Only Cluster (which is a different animal completely) uses synchronous replication. Thus, if you're writing in more than one place with async. replication, your application has to keep on it's toes. --- Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP www.nyphp.org / www.nyphp.com From lists at zaunere.com Mon May 29 10:05:37 2006 From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:05:37 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] mysql replication and failover In-Reply-To: <20060529134548.GB63977@willystudios.com> Message-ID: <00a001c68328$f7172ee0$650aa8c0@mobilez> Massimiliano Stucchi wrote on Monday, May 29, 2006 9:46 AM: > On 270506, 14:33, David Rio Deiros wrote: > > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 11:20:31PM +0200, Massimiliano Stucchi > > wrote: > > > On 250506, 11:39, David Rio Deiros wrote: > > > > > > > > What do you guys think? Is MySQL clustering the only valid > > > > solution here? > > > > > > Not really. There is this new method, available only with MySQL > > > 5.1, which enables you to have master/master replication. > > > > > > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/04/20/advanced-mysql-replication.htm l > > > > > > It'a nice feature. > > > > Thanks for the reply Massimiliano and sorry for the late reply. > > No problem. > > > Finally I decided to implement a solution based on replication > > only. The reason is because the database is going to server reads > > most of the time. > > I see. > > > The article you sent is very interesting but there is something that > > still don't understand. When you use the autoincrement feature found > > in mysql5, you're solving a problem but you are also introducing > > another one since the ids are totally different between servers. > > That means you have to make the application aware about it. Absolutely. It should be noted that the auto_increment "fix" for master-master replication in MySQL is only a small part of the problem. Master-master, or "update anywhere" as some databases call it, is quite a complex animal. Without considerable application or database intelligence for what's called conflict resolution, subtle problems with your data can develop. This is why, for instance, even the conflict resolution protocols of the likes of DB2 and Oracle are not always full proof. With zero application awareness, either data inconsistencies or performancae issues arise. And there's mor than auto_increments/sequences - anything based on unique timestamps or the ordering of timestamps become meaningless, for instance Just remember that MySQL still uses async. replication with no conflict resolution, even with their patch for the auto_increments. Only Cluster (which is a different animal completely) uses synchronous replication. Thus, if you're writing in more than one place with async. replication, your application has to keep on it's toes. --- Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP www.nyphp.org / www.nyphp.com From george at sddi.net Tue May 30 11:59:02 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:59:02 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] upcoming meetings Message-ID: <447C6BC6.7030105@sddi.net> The upcoming meetings have been updated on NYCBUG.org The last time we did an 'open meeting', the feedback was overall positive. We are going to probably keep those meetings at Suspenders' backroom, since it's more conducive to discussion. We will also be back at the Apple Store for the July meeting, with a technical presentation on Sendmail. As it stands now, we'll probably alternate Suspenders & 'Open Meeting' with Apple Store & technical presentation. Off-list comments are appreciated, including self-proposals for short spiels for the 'Open Meetings'. We'll probably aim to have two planned presentations, plus an opportunity for others to raise questions and comments on other issues. George From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue May 30 17:36:02 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Usenix...last call Message-ID: <8119.160.33.20.11.1149024962.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> so, i'm heading to boston for usenix tommorow. any folks from nyc gonna be up there? i'm sure this is like the nth time i've asked but i have a bad memory...i think. ;) anyway, i'll be up there from weds to sat so if you are going to be in town shoot me an email. -pete -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From george at sddi.net Tue May 30 17:41:02 2006 From: george at sddi.net (George R.) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:41:02 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Usenix...last call In-Reply-To: <8119.160.33.20.11.1149024962.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <8119.160.33.20.11.1149024962.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <447CBBEE.3050809@sddi.net> Peter Wright wrote: > so, i'm heading to boston for usenix tommorow. any folks from nyc gonna > be up there? i'm sure this is like the nth time i've asked but i have a > bad memory...i think. ;) anyway, i'll be up there from weds to sat so if > you are going to be in town shoot me an email. > Truly wish I could make it. . . just got my new login magazine, and it only depresses me. . . George From dan at langille.org Tue May 30 17:45:56 2006 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:45:56 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Usenix...last call In-Reply-To: <8119.160.33.20.11.1149024962.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <447C84D4.20025.6BF4016@dan.langille.org> On 30 May 2006 at 14:36, Peter Wright wrote: > so, i'm heading to boston for usenix tommorow. any folks from nyc > gonna be up there? i'm sure this is like the nth time i've asked but > i have a bad memory...i think. ;) anyway, i'll be up there from weds > to sat so if you are going to be in town shoot me an email. I'll be driving down to Boston. I'm leaving tomorrow morning. And heading home on Sunday morning, with a stop at Six Flags New England for some rollercoaster fixes. :) It may sound odd, but Boston and NYC are both about 8 hours driving from Ottawa.... -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue May 30 17:55:15 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Usenix...last call In-Reply-To: <447C84D4.20025.6BF4016@dan.langille.org> References: <8119.160.33.20.11.1149024962.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> <447C84D4.20025.6BF4016@dan.langille.org> Message-ID: <50316.160.33.20.11.1149026115.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > On 30 May 2006 at 14:36, Peter Wright wrote: > >> so, i'm heading to boston for usenix tommorow. any folks from nyc >> gonna be up there? i'm sure this is like the nth time i've asked but >> i have a bad memory...i think. ;) anyway, i'll be up there from weds >> to sat so if you are going to be in town shoot me an email. > > I'll be driving down to Boston. I'm leaving tomorrow morning. And > heading home on Sunday morning, with a stop at Six Flags New England > for some rollercoaster fixes. :) > > It may sound odd, but Boston and NYC are both about 8 hours driving > from Ottawa.... > execellent, i hope to meet up with then. i've been keeping an eye open for some BSD related fun and have not turned anything up yet. so since it's an 8 hour drive does that mean you are going to goto new york after boston ;) -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459 From dan at langille.org Tue May 30 17:57:54 2006 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:57:54 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Usenix...last call In-Reply-To: <50316.160.33.20.11.1149026115.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> References: <447C84D4.20025.6BF4016@dan.langille.org> Message-ID: <447C87A2.14891.6CA32F1@dan.langille.org> On 30 May 2006 at 14:55, Peter Wright wrote: > > > On 30 May 2006 at 14:36, Peter Wright wrote: > > > >> so, i'm heading to boston for usenix tommorow. any folks from nyc > >> gonna be up there? i'm sure this is like the nth time i've asked > >> but i have a bad memory...i think. ;) anyway, i'll be up there > >> from weds to sat so if you are going to be in town shoot me an > >> email. > > > > I'll be driving down to Boston. I'm leaving tomorrow morning. And > > heading home on Sunday morning, with a stop at Six Flags New England > > for some rollercoaster fixes. :) > > > > It may sound odd, but Boston and NYC are both about 8 hours driving > > from Ottawa.... > > > > execellent, i hope to meet up with then. i've been keeping an eye > open for some BSD related fun and have not turned anything up yet. so > since it's an 8 hour drive does that mean you are going to goto new > york after boston ;) Heh, nope, not NYC for me on this trip. Even extending the time for Six Flags will cost me. I've got to get home to do some work. While you're at USENIX, get onto IRC and we'll keep tabs on each other via #nycbug. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue May 30 18:59:14 2006 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Usenix...last call In-Reply-To: <447C87A2.14891.6CA32F1@dan.langille.org> References: <447C84D4.20025.6BF4016@dan.langille.org> <447C87A2.14891.6CA32F1@dan.langille.org> Message-ID: <60378.160.33.20.11.1149029954.squirrel@webmail.nomadlogic.org> > On 30 May 2006 at 14:55, Peter Wright wrote: > >> >> > On 30 May 2006 at 14:36, Peter Wright wrote: >> > >> >> so, i'm heading to boston for usenix tommorow. any folks from nyc >> >> gonna be up there? i'm sure this is like the nth time i've asked >> >> but i have a bad memory...i think. ;) anyway, i'll be up there >> >> from weds to sat so if you are going to be in town shoot me an >> >> email. >> > >> > I'll be driving down to Boston. I'm leaving tomorrow morning. And >> > heading home on Sunday morning, with a stop at Six Flags New England >> > for some rollercoaster fixes. :) >> > >> > It may sound odd, but Boston and NYC are both about 8 hours driving >> > from Ottawa.... >> > >> >> execellent, i hope to meet up with then. i've been keeping an eye >> open for some BSD related fun and have not turned anything up yet. so >> since it's an 8 hour drive does that mean you are going to goto new >> york after boston ;) > > Heh, nope, not NYC for me on this trip. Even extending the time for > Six Flags will cost me. I've got to get home to do some work. > > While you're at USENIX, get onto IRC and we'll keep tabs on each > other via #nycbug. > sounds like a plan.. -p -- ~~oO00Oo~~ Peter Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org/~pete 310.869.9459