[nycbug-talk] IPv6 Followup

[Alex Pilosov]

Okan Demirmen wrote:
> On Fri 2007.11.09 at 12:44 -0500, George Rosamond wrote:
>   
>> Alex Pilosov wrote:
>>     
>>> On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, Okan Demirmen wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> On Fri 2007.11.09 at 12:13 -0500, Alex Pilosov wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, Jim Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> As it happens, I now have an assignment to write a position paper on
>>>>>> IPv6 for a client.  Unfortunately, I was not able to attend the last two
>>>>>> BUGs.
>>>>>>             
>>>>> See and listen to this and make your own conclusions
>>>>> http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0710/bush.html
>>>>> http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0710/real/nanog41-transition.ram
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> If anyone wants to offer their expert opinion on all things IPv6, I'm
>>>>>> interested.
>>>>>>             
>>>>> ipv6 will happen. it has to. you should get yourself *ready* to run it - 
>>>>> there's no harm in it. generally, it no longer requires equipment 
>>>>> investment, just configuration. operationally, however, nobody cares. 
>>>>>           
>>>>                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> 							  what?
>>>>
>>>> that is a very broad, over-reaching statement, and i for one will
>>>> disagree.  operationally, people care.  now *who* those people are is
>>>> another question; they may not be all the people that need to care, but
>>>> there are people who care operationally.  with statements like the
>>>> above, the "other people" will never think they need to care - so it
>>>> goes as it is going now.
>>>>         
>>> ok,
>>>
>>> simple, show me who cares. operationally. someone who both *cares* and 
>>> *matters*. no, home ipv6 tunnels through sixxs and occaid don't count.
>>>
>>>       
>> Alex:
>>
>> Not sure if you've done any traveling, but apparently it's big in .jp.
>>
>> And there must be a reason you jump on the topic with some degree of 
>> familiarity.
>>     
>
> well, there's a point.  do you care alex?  i'd prefer that you would
> care to some degree, so that if one day i come to you (or send someone)
> to you once ipv6 is "around", i would know that you do care about the
> future of the business, and not just what is here and now.  i know that
> you do know about it, but just think if i didn't know you - would i have
> confidence? (too many prepositions - yikes!)
>   
I barely care. ipv6 enabling my network is somewhere on todo list, very 
close to the bottom.Even if I did, I barely matter.
> also care to tell any of these folks? http://www.bigape.us
>
>   
What about it?
a) bigape is an industry in-joke
b) it is layer 2 fabric. layer 2 fabrics don't care if it is ipv4, ipv6, 
netbios or decnet.
> as for matters, maybe the likes of the isp's that i've worked for don't
> matter - but who's the ultimate judge?  (well, it's not so great that
> one of them has sold off most of their global data centers and stuck
> with just a backbone and fiber) ...but i think the list above is more
> impressive, no?
>
>   
Small ISPs don't matter. Midsized ISPs matter, sort of. Big ones really 
matter. Until we can buy proper v6 transit from likes of (3), GX, etc 
that is supported as production service, our v6 transit will continue to 
be experimental.