[nycbug-talk] of course you've all seen this already...

[Trish Lynch]

I thought the same thing - I've done source upgrades from 21.6 to 8.0-CURRENT and never had a hard time - I would never attempt building a complete system from Linux kernel and GNU binaries like that....

Again - apples to oranges - we're talking about building a full operating system/kernel/tools - if you want to talk about rpm upgrades - yes - maybe linux has it better than portupgrade - but I prefer to do a pkg_delete and a make && make install in a newer version port tree any day than rpm upgrade.

-Trish
------Original Message------
From: Charles Sprickman
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To: Alex Pilosov
Cc: talk at lists.nycbug.org
Sent: Nov 26, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] of course you've all seen this already...

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Alex Pilosov wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Andy Kosela wrote:
>
>> On Nov 26, 2007 7:50 PM, Alex Pilosov <alex at pilosoft.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Andy Kosela wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Nov 26, 2007 3:23 PM, Jerry B. Altzman <jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> http://xkcd.com/349/
>>>>>
>>>>> "If we're lucky, the sharks will stay away until we reach shallow
>>>>> water."
>>>>
>>>> Funny, but I honestly think it applies more to the Linux world,
>>>> especially old RPM world :P Anyway the dangers of upgrading are always
>>>> on the horizon.
>>> If you ever did 'make buildworld'...its just as painful as RPM, if not
>>> more.
>>>
>>
>> Honestly I don't know about what kind of pain you are talking about :) I
>> never had any problems with 'make buildworld' in Security Branch and
>> that's what I use on any production servers. Sometimes things can break
>> in STABLE or CURRENT, but that's acceptable if you know why those
>> branches exist.
> !&*@#*&!
>
> Apples to apples, please. security-branch upgrades should be compared to
> RPM upgrades in security branch (ie. same underlying package, like going
> from net-snmp-3.3-1 to net-snmp-3.3-2). Those upgrades don't really count.

No.  You are talking about added applications.  FreeBSD is an OS, not a
collection of random pkgs+kernel.

I don't get all the "pain" though, and this comes from someone that's been
doing a bunch of source upgrades from 4.11 to 6.2.  Maybe I'm just a lot
better at this than I thought I was.

C

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Trish Lynch