From dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca  Sat Mar  1 09:21:47 2008
From: dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca (Dru)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:21:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] ISO available for FreeBSD DVD
Message-ID: <20080301091816.F628@dru.domain.org>


Thanks to the generosity of NYCBUG, the ISO for the i386 version of 
the FreeBSD 7.0 DVD is available for download from:

ftp://freebsd.nycbug.org/pub/ISO-IMAGES-i386/7.0/

The DVD contains the contents as described here:

http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/unix/bsd/archives/creating-your-own-freebsd-70-dvd-22791

Also, I'm in town next week so I'll have a chance to see you guys at the 
meeting on Wednesday.

Cheers,

Dru


From mspitzer at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 13:37:33 2008
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc spitzer)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:37:33 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD mirror
In-Reply-To: <9227.67.86.49.123.1204343683.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
References: <9227.67.86.49.123.1204343683.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
Message-ID: <20080301133733.a8569a4e.mspitzer@gmail.com>

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:54:43 -0500 (EST)
"nikolai" <nikolai at fetissov.org> wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> Is there anything wrong with the mirror
> or am I missing something?

I think that nycbug runs a cvsup mirror and that is not the same as a 
cvs mirror, cvsup is read only cvs is read/write.  One of the
differences is all of the stuff that allows you to development is
missing, think of it like an cvs export, so all of the cvs management
files(.cvs/*) are not their.  This leads to your messages as the last 
place cvs(and rcs) looks for their files is in the current working 
directory.

marc

> 
> /usr/src$ cvs -q up -Pd
> cvs server: `/cvs/src/etc/pf.conf,v' does not appear to be a valid rcs file
> cvs server: `/cvs/src/etc/pf.conf,v' does not appear to be a valid rcs file
> cvs server: etc/pf.conf is no longer in the repository
> P share/man/man4/ucom.4
> cvs server: `/cvs/src/sys/arch/mips64/mips64/db_machdep.c,v' does not
> appear to be a valid rcs file
> cvs server: `/cvs/src/sys/arch/mips64/mips64/db_machdep.c,v' does not
> appear to be a valid rcs file
> cvs server: sys/arch/mips64/mips64/db_machdep.c is no longer in the
> repository
> cvs server: `/cvs/src/sys/arch/sgi/sgi/autoconf.c,v' does not appear to be
> a valid rcs file
> cvs server: `/cvs/src/sys/arch/sgi/sgi/autoconf.c,v' does not appear to be
> a valid rcs file
> cvs server: sys/arch/sgi/sgi/autoconf.c is no longer in the repository
> cvs [server aborted]: premature end of change in
> /cvs/src/sys/netinet/ip_id.c,v
> /usr/src$ cat CVS/Root
> anoncvs at anoncvs.nyc.openbsd.org:/cvs
> /usr/src$
> 
> Thanks.
> --
>  Nikolai
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


-- 
Marc spitzer <mspitzer at gmail.com>


From okan at demirmen.com  Sat Mar  1 15:42:04 2008
From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:42:04 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD mirror
In-Reply-To: <20080301133733.a8569a4e.mspitzer@gmail.com>
References: <9227.67.86.49.123.1204343683.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
	<20080301133733.a8569a4e.mspitzer@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080301204204.GH19874@clam.khaoz.org>

On Sat 2008.03.01 at 13:37 -0500, Marc spitzer wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:54:43 -0500 (EST)
> "nikolai" <nikolai at fetissov.org> wrote:
> 
> > Folks,
> > 
> > Is there anything wrong with the mirror
> > or am I missing something?
> 
> I think that nycbug runs a cvsup mirror and that is not the same as a 
> cvs mirror, cvsup is read only cvs is read/write.  One of the
> differences is all of the stuff that allows you to development is
> missing, think of it like an cvs export, so all of the cvs management
> files(.cvs/*) are not their.  This leads to your messages as the last 
> place cvs(and rcs) looks for their files is in the current working 
> directory.

sorry, but that's not the case.  anoncvs.nyc.openbsd.org is an anoncvs
server.


From okan at demirmen.com  Sat Mar  1 15:42:51 2008
From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:42:51 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD mirror
In-Reply-To: <9227.67.86.49.123.1204343683.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
References: <9227.67.86.49.123.1204343683.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
Message-ID: <20080301204251.GI19874@clam.khaoz.org>

On Fri 2008.02.29 at 22:54 -0500, nikolai wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> Is there anything wrong with the mirror
> or am I missing something?

i just pulled some stuff from it just now - worked?  could you try and
see if it works for you now ...it may have been fixed between then and
now ;)


From nikolai at fetissov.org  Sat Mar  1 17:17:58 2008
From: nikolai at fetissov.org (nikolai)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:17:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD mirror
In-Reply-To: <20080301204251.GI19874@clam.khaoz.org>
References: <9227.67.86.49.123.1204343683.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
	<20080301204251.GI19874@clam.khaoz.org>
Message-ID: <11724.67.86.49.123.1204409878.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>

> On Fri 2008.02.29 at 22:54 -0500, nikolai wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> Is there anything wrong with the mirror
>> or am I missing something?
>
> i just pulled some stuff from it just now - worked?  could you try and
> see if it works for you now ...it may have been fixed between then and
> now ;)

No go - same failure (now during full src fetch):

...
U src/usr.bin/cvs/tag.c
cvs [server aborted]: EOF in value in RCS file
/cvs/src/usr.bin/cvs/update.c,v

Looks like the opencvs subtree is the problem.
Thanks for looking into this Okan.

--
 Nikolai


From jschauma at netmeister.org  Sat Mar  1 18:20:01 2008
From: jschauma at netmeister.org (Jan Schaumann)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:20:01 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] nycbsdcon website
Message-ID: <20080301232001.GD20975@netmeister.org>

Hello,

http://www.nycbsdcon.org/2008/ says "Bringing the BSD Community Together
in 2006".  Seems like the wrong year.

-Jan

-- 
``If you used to surf, then you never did!'' -- (Shaft, alt.surfing)
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sat Mar  1 20:19:21 2008
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:19:21 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] nycbsdcon website
In-Reply-To: <20080301232001.GD20975@netmeister.org>
References: <20080301232001.GD20975@netmeister.org>
Message-ID: <47CA0099.4000907@ceetonetechnology.com>

Jan Schaumann wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> http://www.nycbsdcon.org/2008/ says "Bringing the BSD Community Together
> in 2006".  Seems like the wrong year.
> 
> -Jan

yeah. . . we're moving forward nicely with the con. . . and are lagging 
behind on the graphics. . .

Thanks

g


From nycbug at cyth.net  Sun Mar  2 01:54:08 2008
From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 01:54:08 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD mirror
In-Reply-To: <20080301204251.GI19874@clam.khaoz.org>
References: <9227.67.86.49.123.1204343683.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
	<20080301204251.GI19874@clam.khaoz.org>
Message-ID: <7765c0380803012254m212c00a9m8320e14a6a7771e5@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Okan Demirmen <okan at demirmen.com> wrote:
> On Fri 2008.02.29 at 22:54 -0500, nikolai wrote:
>  > Folks,
>  >
>  > Is there anything wrong with the mirror
>  > or am I missing something?
>
>  i just pulled some stuff from it just now - worked?  could you try and
>  see if it works for you now ...it may have been fixed between then and
>  now ;)

Doesn't work for me either:

ray at x[/usr/src] cvs -qd anoncvs at anoncvs.nyc.openbsd.org:/cvs up -Pd
? xenocara
? games/battlestar/lint.log
? gnu/usr.bin/gcc/config.cache
? gnu/usr.bin/gcc/config.log
? gnu/usr.bin/gcc/cpp.1
? gnu/usr.bin/gcc/cpp.cat1
? gnu/usr.bin/gcc/f
? gnu/usr.bin/gcc/fsf-funding.7
? gnu/usr.bin/gcc/gcc.1
? gnu/usr.bin/gcc/gcc.cat1
? gnu/usr.bin/gcc/gcov.1
? gnu/usr.bin/gcc/gcov.cat1
? gnu/usr.bin/gcc/gfdl.7
? gnu/usr.bin/gcc/gpl.7
? gnu/usr.bin/gcc/protoize.cat1
? sys/arch/i386/compile/VESAFB
? sys/arch/i386/conf/VESAFB
? usr.bin/pcc/lint.log
? usr.bin/sendbug/sendbug.core
M bin/pax/tty_subs.c
M distrib/crunch/crunchide/crunchide.c
cvs server: `/cvs/src/etc/pf.conf,v' does not appear to be a valid rcs file
cvs server: `/cvs/src/etc/pf.conf,v' does not appear to be a valid rcs file
cvs server: nothing known about etc/pf.conf
M games/atc/main.c
M games/battlestar/extern.h
M games/hack/hack.pager.c
M gnu/egcs/gcc/c-common.c
M gnu/usr.bin/gcc/gcc/c-format.c
M gnu/usr.bin/perl/Makefile.bsd-wrapper
M lib/libc/stdio/fflush.c
M lib/libc/stdio/fgets.3
M lib/libc/stdio/fgets.c
M lib/libutil/passwd.c
M libexec/spamd-setup/spamd-setup.c
M sbin/ncheck_ffs/ncheck_ffs.c
M sbin/raidctl/rf_configure.c
M share/man/man1/gcc-local.1
M share/man/man9/printf.9
M sys/arch/alpha/alpha/trap.c
M sys/arch/i386/i386/bios.c
M sys/arch/i386/i386/machdep.c
M sys/arch/i386/pci/pci_addr_fixup.c
cvs server: `/cvs/src/sys/arch/mips64/mips64/db_machdep.c,v' does not appear to
be a valid rcs file
cvs server: `/cvs/src/sys/arch/mips64/mips64/db_machdep.c,v' does not appear to
be a valid rcs file
cvs server: nothing known about sys/arch/mips64/mips64/db_machdep.c
cvs server: `/cvs/src/sys/arch/sgi/sgi/autoconf.c,v' does not appear to be a val
id rcs file
cvs server: `/cvs/src/sys/arch/sgi/sgi/autoconf.c,v' does not appear to be a val
id rcs file
cvs server: nothing known about sys/arch/sgi/sgi/autoconf.c
M sys/dev/ic/bwi.c
M sys/dev/ic/pgt.c
M sys/dev/pci/amdiic.c
M sys/dev/pci/amdpm.c
M sys/dev/pci/azalia.c
M sys/dev/pci/ichiic.c
M sys/dev/pci/if_iwi.c
M sys/dev/pci/if_iwn.c
M sys/dev/pci/if_lge.c
M sys/dev/pci/if_nge.c
M sys/dev/pci/if_san_xilinx.c
M sys/dev/pci/if_ti.c
M sys/dev/pci/if_tl.c
M sys/dev/pci/if_vr.c
M sys/dev/pci/if_wb.c
M sys/dev/pci/if_wpi.c
cvs [server aborted]: invalid change text in /cvs/src/sys/dev/pci/pcidevs,v


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sun Mar  2 19:07:49 2008
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:07:49 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYCBSDCon 2008 CFP
Message-ID: <47CB4155.4090507@ceetonetechnology.com>

This is the official announcement. . . Spread it around.  We'll have a 
flier at some point so that we can get the word out on campuses and in 
retail places. . .

*	*	*	*

We are proud to announce further details on NYCBSDCon 2008, to be held 
at Columbia University on October 11-12 in New York City. NYCBSDCon.org 
  been updated with the Call for Papers and information for interested 
sponsors.

NYCBSDCon 2008 Call For Presentations

Continuing on the success of 2005 and 2006, New York City BSD Conference 
(NYCBSDCon) is the main technical conference on the US East Coast for 
the BSD community to get together to share and gain knowledge, to 
network with like-minded people, and to have fun. This event is 
organized by members of the New York City *BSD Users Group (NYC*BUG).

The NYCBSDCon program committee is accepting submissions for 
imaginative, embryonic and energizing presentations surrounding the BSD 
operating systems. We are looking to attract a wide range of speakers 
and attendees; therefore, topics of interest range from the esoteric to 
development to practical, everyday sysadmin life. Of course, original 
topics are preferred in most cases.

Each talk is expected to be 45-50 minutes, including a few minutes for 
questions and answers if the speaker wishes - potentially recorded. 
Presenters will have audio/visual and network connectivity.

Abstracts for presentations are due July 15, 2008.

Authors of accepted submissions should be able to provide the full 
presentation for publication on NYCBSDCon sponsored mediums. Further 
instructions will follow notification of acceptance. Submissions 
accompanied by a non-disclosure agreement or a product advertisement 
will be rejected.

Abstract submissions should be emailed to cfp at nycbsdcon dot org in 
text, ps or pdf format.

Conference Location: Columbia University, New York, NY

Conference Dates: October 11-12, 2008

Important Milestones:

Mar 01        CFP Released
Jul 15        CFP Deadliner
Aug 01        Notification of Accepted and Rejected Presentations

Do not let travel and accommodation concerns get in the way of your 
submissions; we may have some opportunities to subsidize speakers, but 
it is too early to guarantee anything at this point.

For questions, concerns or comments, please contact us here: info at 
nycbsdcon dot org.



From okan at demirmen.com  Mon Mar  3 12:19:28 2008
From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:19:28 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD mirror
In-Reply-To: <7765c0380803012254m212c00a9m8320e14a6a7771e5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9227.67.86.49.123.1204343683.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
	<20080301204251.GI19874@clam.khaoz.org>
	<7765c0380803012254m212c00a9m8320e14a6a7771e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080303171928.GC16158@clam.khaoz.org>

On Sun 2008.03.02 at 01:54 -0500, Ray Lai wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Okan Demirmen <okan at demirmen.com> wrote:
> > On Fri 2008.02.29 at 22:54 -0500, nikolai wrote:
> >  > Folks,
> >  >
> >  > Is there anything wrong with the mirror
> >  > or am I missing something?
> >
> >  i just pulled some stuff from it just now - worked?  could you try and
> >  see if it works for you now ...it may have been fixed between then and
> >  now ;)
> 
> Doesn't work for me either:

ok, this should be fixed now.  thanks for reporting it.


From nycbug at cyth.net  Tue Mar  4 14:48:16 2008
From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:48:16 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD mirror
In-Reply-To: <mailman.389.1204659882.20931.talk@lists.nycbug.org>
References: <mailman.389.1204659882.20931.talk@lists.nycbug.org>
Message-ID: <7765c0380803041148n2c205ca5u11d2efff52b07e3d@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Okan Demirmen <okan at demirmen.com> wrote:
 > On Sun 2008.03.02 at 01:54 -0500, Ray Lai wrote:
 >  > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Okan Demirmen <okan at demirmen.com> wrote:
 >  > > On Fri 2008.02.29 at 22:54 -0500, nikolai wrote:
 >  > >  > Folks,
 >  > >  >
 >  > >  > Is there anything wrong with the mirror
 >  > >  > or am I missing something?
 >  > >
 >  > >  i just pulled some stuff from it just now - worked?  could you try and
 >  > >  see if it works for you now ...it may have been fixed between then and
 >  > >  now ;)
 >  >
 >  > Doesn't work for me either:
 >
 >  ok, this should be fixed now.  thanks for reporting it.

 src/etc/pf.conf is still missing, among others:

 $ cvs -qd anoncvs at anoncvs.nyc.openbsd.org:/cvs co -P src/etc/pf.conf
 cvs server: cannot find module `src/etc/pf.conf' - ignored
 cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot expand modules
 $ cvs -qd anoncvs at anoncvs.nyc.openbsd.org:/cvs co -P src/etc/rc
 U src/etc/rc

 -Ray-


From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com  Wed Mar  5 11:14:07 2008
From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:14:07 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] [announce] NYCBUG Tonight
In-Reply-To: <47CEB5F7.2090309@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <47CEB5F7.2090309@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <ED7E9907-ECFF-4474-8BA8-B800BBF9CA10@2xlp.com>


On Mar 5, 2008, at 10:02 AM, NYC*BUG Announcements wrote:

> "User Interfaces and How People Think" will introduce concepts of
> designing software for different users by observing how they think  
> about
> and do what they do. While much of design today focuses on the  
> front-end
> of computer systems, there is opportunity to innovate in every area
> where a human interacts with software.

Someone will be taping this for a videocast/podcast , right?

I really wanted to make this , but one of my teammates had our  
skeeball league reschedule our match tonight from 10:30 -> 6:30, and  
just told me.


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Mar  5 11:19:17 2008
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:19:17 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] [announce] NYCBUG Tonight
In-Reply-To: <ED7E9907-ECFF-4474-8BA8-B800BBF9CA10@2xlp.com>
References: <47CEB5F7.2090309@ceetonetechnology.com>
	<ED7E9907-ECFF-4474-8BA8-B800BBF9CA10@2xlp.com>
Message-ID: <47CEC805.3040408@ceetonetechnology.com>

Jonathan Vanasco wrote:
> On Mar 5, 2008, at 10:02 AM, NYC*BUG Announcements wrote:
> 
>> "User Interfaces and How People Think" will introduce concepts of
>> designing software for different users by observing how they think  
>> about
>> and do what they do. While much of design today focuses on the  
>> front-end
>> of computer systems, there is opportunity to innovate in every area
>> where a human interacts with software.
> 
> Someone will be taping this for a videocast/podcast , right?
> 
> I really wanted to make this , but one of my teammates had our  
> skeeball league reschedule our match tonight from 10:30 -> 6:30, and  
> just told me.

Most likely yes. . .

George


From nikolai at fetissov.org  Wed Mar  5 12:51:07 2008
From: nikolai at fetissov.org (nikolai)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:51:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] [announce] NYCBUG Tonight
In-Reply-To: <47CEC805.3040408@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <47CEB5F7.2090309@ceetonetechnology.com>
	<ED7E9907-ECFF-4474-8BA8-B800BBF9CA10@2xlp.com>
	<47CEC805.3040408@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <43706.204.153.88.2.1204739467.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>

> Jonathan Vanasco wrote:
>> On Mar 5, 2008, at 10:02 AM, NYC*BUG Announcements wrote:
>>
>>> "User Interfaces and How People Think" will introduce concepts of
>>> designing software for different users by observing how they think
>>> about
>>> and do what they do. While much of design today focuses on the
>>> front-end
>>> of computer systems, there is opportunity to innovate in every area
>>> where a human interacts with software.
>>
>> Someone will be taping this for a videocast/podcast , right?
>>
>> I really wanted to make this , but one of my teammates had our
>> skeeball league reschedule our match tonight from 10:30 -> 6:30, and
>> just told me.
>
> Most likely yes. . .
>
> George

I'll do the usual audio. No video though, sorry ... :)
--
 Nikolai



From swygue at gmail.com  Wed Mar  5 16:43:27 2008
From: swygue at gmail.com (Rodrique Heron)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:43:27 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Tomcat Paid Support NYC Area
Message-ID: <47CF13FF.6010901@rodhouse.org>

Any recommendations for Tomcat Application Server commercial support ? I 
little googling returned Covalent, but would rather do business with 
someone on the east coast.

Thanks


From nikolai at fetissov.org  Thu Mar  6 11:21:06 2008
From: nikolai at fetissov.org (nikolai)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:21:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] March 5, 2008 meeting audio
Message-ID: <29119.204.153.88.2.1204820466.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>

Folks,

Audio of Jeffery Mau presentation is online at
http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/nycbug-03-05-08.mp3

Cheers.
--
 Nikolai


From skreuzer at exit2shell.com  Fri Mar  7 14:16:19 2008
From: skreuzer at exit2shell.com (Steven Kreuzer)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 14:16:19 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Virtual Private Servers in the UK
Message-ID: <20080307191618.GA59435@scruffy.exit2shell.com>

Greetings and sorry for the slightly off topic post....

Can anyone recommend a VPS provider that has machines available
somewhere in the UK? However, so I don't have to
get my companies UK accounting department involved, the vps provider
must have a billing department in the US. (This excludes Verio)

I really don't care if they only support Linux, just that the machine
is in the UK and the company is US based.

Thanks

--
Steven Kreuzer
http://www.exit2shell.com/~skreuzer


From compustretch at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 18:06:10 2008
From: compustretch at gmail.com (forest mars)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 18:06:10 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 7 Launch Meeting: 13-MAR-2008 (Thu) at
	UNIGROUP
Message-ID: <c2f754300803071506w183a92cdof1f6f644db99333e@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, this should be HOT !

FreeBSD 7 Launch Meeting at Unigroup NEXT THURSDAY.


-Forest Mars


==================================================================
UNIGROUP OF NEW YORK - UNIX USERS GROUP - MARCH 2008 ANNOUNCEMENTS
==================================================================

Here is a quick notice, the full announcement will follow...

  -------------------------------------------
1. UNIGROUP'S MARCH 2008 MEETING CHANGE/NOTICE
  -------------------------------------------

  Unigroup has moved our March 2008 meeting one week earlier than
  usual to 13-MAR-2008 (2nd Thursday).  This allows us to avoid
  a holiday on the next week AND have the following meeting and
  speaker...

     When:  THURSDAY, March 13, 2008    (** SPECIAL 2nd Thursday **)

    Where:  Alliance for Downtown NY Conference Facility
            Downtown Center
            104 Washington Street
            South West Corner of Wall Street Area
            Downtown, New York City
            ** Please RSVP (not mandatory) **

     Time:  6:15 PM - 6:25 PM  Registration
            6:25 PM - 6:45 PM  Ask the Wizard, Questions,
                               Answers and Current Events
            6:45 PM - 7:00 PM  Unigroup Business and Announcements
            7:00 PM - 9:30 PM  Main Presentation

            ------------------------
    Topic:  FreeBSD 7 Launch Meeting
            ------------------------

  Speaker:  George Neville-Neil,
            The FreeBSD Project Team <www.freebsd.org>

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  FreeBSD version 7 was released within the past two weeks
  (CD-ROM images are dated 24-FEB-2008).  We hope to learn as
  much as we can about the latest in FreeBSD from our speaker
  George Neville-Neil, a member of the FreeBSD Project Team.

  From the FreeBSD 7 Release Announcement:
    FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE is now available for the amd64, i386, ia64,
    pc98, and powerpc architectures. The version for the sparc64
    architecture will become available in a few days.

    FreeBSD 7 Links:
      http://www.FreeBSD.org/
      http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/7.0R/relnotes.html
      http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/7.0R/errata.html
      http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/
      ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  To REGISTER for this event, please RSVP by using the Unigroup
  Registration Page:
        http://www.unigroup.org/unigroup-rsvp.html

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  Giveaways:
  ----------

  O'Reilly has been kind enough to provide us with some of their
  books, which we will continue to raffle off as giveaways at our
  meetings.

  Addison-Wesley Professional/Prentice Hall PTR has been kind
  enough to provide us with some of their books, which we will
  continue to raffle off as giveaways at our meetings.

  Unigroup would like to thank both companies for the support
  provided by their User Group programs.

  Note: The chances tend to be about 1 in 5, that any attendee of
  our meeting will walk away with a fairly valuable giveaway
  (ie. most books are valued between $30 and $60)!

  ** Thanks to our friends at Sun Microsystems, Unigroup also has
     some Solaris 10 DVDs to raffle off.

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  Fee Schedule:
      Yearly Membership (includes all meetings):      $ 50.00
      Non-Member Single Meeting:                      $ 20.00
      Student Yearly Membership:                      $ 20.00
      Non-Member Student Single Meeting (with ID):    $  5.00
      Payment Methods: Cash, Check, American Express.

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  Complimentary Food and Refreshments will be served.  This includes
  "wraps" such as turkey, roast beef, chicken, tuna and grilled
  vegetables as well as assorted salads (potato, tossed,
  pasta, etc), cookies, brownies, bottled water and assorted beverages.

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  Directions:

    Alliance for Downtown NY Conference Facility
    Downtown Center
    104 Washington Street
    Wall Street Area
    Downtown, New York City

  This building is located on the West side of the street, the
  second building north of Rector Street.  Cross Streets:
  Between Rector (South) and Carlisle (North) Streets.

  Our meeting location is in the Lower West Corner of Downtown,
  North of the Battery Tunnel, South of the Downtown Hotel,
  East of West Street, and West of Greenwich Street.  Walking West
  on Rector Street from Broadway, you pass Church, Greenwich then
  Washington Streets.

  There are multiple blocks of parking lots right there, between
  Washington and Greenwich Streets, starting at the Battery Tunnel
  and extending North for a number of blocks.

  Nearest mass transit stations, in order, are the '1/9' (Rector
  Street), 'R/W' (Rector Street) and the '4/5' (Wall Street).

  -----

  Please mark this meeting on your calendar and join us!
  Please tell your friends about Unigroup!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

-Rob Weiner
 Unigroup Executive Director
 unilist (-a_t-) unigroup.org
 http://www.unigroup.org
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From compustretch at gmail.com  Sun Mar  9 12:03:36 2008
From: compustretch at gmail.com (forest mars)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:03:36 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 7 Launch Meeting: 13-MAR-2008 (Thu) at
	UNIGROUP
Message-ID: <c2f754300803090903o4c049f11y5ebc679df0a32d34@mail.gmail.com>

FreeBSD 7 Launch Meeting at Unigroup NEXT THURSDAY, with George
Neville from the Project Team (& co-author with project leader Kirk
McKusick of "Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating
System") & lots of giveaways, natch.

-Forest Mars


==================================================================
UNIGROUP OF NEW YORK - UNIX USERS GROUP - MARCH 2008 ANNOUNCEMENTS
==================================================================

Here is a quick notice, the full announcement will follow...

  -------------------------------------------
1. UNIGROUP'S MARCH 2008 MEETING CHANGE/NOTICE
  -------------------------------------------

  Unigroup has moved our March 2008 meeting one week earlier than
  usual to 13-MAR-2008 (2nd Thursday).  This allows us to avoid
  a holiday on the next week AND have the following meeting and
  speaker...

     When:  THURSDAY, March 13, 2008    (** SPECIAL 2nd Thursday **)

    Where:  Alliance for Downtown NY Conference Facility
            Downtown Center
            104 Washington Street
            South West Corner of Wall Street Area
            Downtown, New York City
            ** Please RSVP (not mandatory) **

     Time:  6:15 PM - 6:25 PM  Registration
            6:25 PM - 6:45 PM  Ask the Wizard, Questions,
                               Answers and Current Events
            6:45 PM - 7:00 PM  Unigroup Business and Announcements
            7:00 PM - 9:30 PM  Main Presentation

            ------------------------
    Topic:  FreeBSD 7 Launch Meeting
            ------------------------

  Speaker:  George Neville-Neil,
            The FreeBSD Project Team <www.freebsd.org>

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  FreeBSD version 7 was released within the past two weeks
  (CD-ROM images are dated 24-FEB-2008).  We hope to learn as
  much as we can about the latest in FreeBSD from our speaker
  George Neville-Neil, a member of the FreeBSD Project Team.

  From the FreeBSD 7 Release Announcement:
    FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE is now available for the amd64, i386, ia64,
    pc98, and powerpc architectures. The version for the sparc64
    architecture will become available in a few days.

    FreeBSD 7 Links:
      http://www.FreeBSD.org/
      http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/7.0R/relnotes.html
      http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/7.0R/errata.html
      http://torrents.freebsd.org:8080/
      ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  To REGISTER for this event, please RSVP by using the Unigroup
  Registration Page:
        http://www.unigroup.org/unigroup-rsvp.html

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  Giveaways:
  ----------

  O'Reilly has been kind enough to provide us with some of their
  books, which we will continue to raffle off as giveaways at our
  meetings.

  Addison-Wesley Professional/Prentice Hall PTR has been kind
  enough to provide us with some of their books, which we will
  continue to raffle off as giveaways at our meetings.

  Unigroup would like to thank both companies for the support
  provided by their User Group programs.

  Note: The chances tend to be about 1 in 5, that any attendee of
  our meeting will walk away with a fairly valuable giveaway
  (ie. most books are valued between $30 and $60)!

  ** Thanks to our friends at Sun Microsystems, Unigroup also has
     some Solaris 10 DVDs to raffle off.

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  Fee Schedule:
      Yearly Membership (includes all meetings):      $ 50.00
      Non-Member Single Meeting:                      $ 20.00
      Student Yearly Membership:                      $ 20.00
      Non-Member Student Single Meeting (with ID):    $  5.00
      Payment Methods: Cash, Check, American Express.

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  Complimentary Food and Refreshments will be served.  This includes
  "wraps" such as turkey, roast beef, chicken, tuna and grilled
  vegetables as well as assorted salads (potato, tossed,
  pasta, etc), cookies, brownies, bottled water and assorted beverages.

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  Directions:

    Alliance for Downtown NY Conference Facility
    Downtown Center
    104 Washington Street
    Wall Street Area
    Downtown, New York City

  This building is located on the West side of the street, the
  second building north of Rector Street.  Cross Streets:
  Between Rector (South) and Carlisle (North) Streets.

  Our meeting location is in the Lower West Corner of Downtown,
  North of the Battery Tunnel, South of the Downtown Hotel,
  East of West Street, and West of Greenwich Street.  Walking West
  on Rector Street from Broadway, you pass Church, Greenwich then
  Washington Streets.

  There are multiple blocks of parking lots right there, between
  Washington and Greenwich Streets, starting at the Battery Tunnel
  and extending North for a number of blocks.

  Nearest mass transit stations, in order, are the '1/9' (Rector
  Street), 'R/W' (Rector Street) and the '4/5' (Wall Street).

  -----

  Please mark this meeting on your calendar and join us!
  Please tell your friends about Unigroup!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

-Rob Weiner
 Unigroup Executive Director
 unilist (-a_t-) unigroup.org
 http://www.unigroup.org
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From vitaliy at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 17:47:00 2008
From: vitaliy at gmail.com (Vitaliy Gladkevitch)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:47:00 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYCBUG LinkedIn Group
Message-ID: <73D54571-1A0D-46A5-B93B-B9AD9F2D76B1@gmail.com>

Hello,

Just want to let you guys know that we now have a LinkedIn group, come  
and join!

http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/70099/5D1736054036

- Vitaliy
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From nikolai at fetissov.org  Wed Mar 12 23:03:54 2008
From: nikolai at fetissov.org (nikolai)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:03:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] rtadvd on openbsd talking to mac
Message-ID: <34245.67.86.49.123.1205377434.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>

Hi folks,

At home I have a router running OpenBSD-current with three ifs: fxp0, re0,
and re1.
External fxp0 goes to the cable modem with dhclient. re0 goes to a switch
doing dhcpd,
and re1 just has a crossover cable hanging off of it, where I usually
connect my powerbook.
I have an ipv6 tunnel to HE, addresses are assigned to internal
interfaces, so I run rtadvd
on both re0 and re1.
Everything seems to be working but recently I started noticing these
errors on re1:

Mar 12 20:00:17 login rtadvd[27685]: <ra_output> sendmsg on re1: No buffer
space available
Mar 12 20:03:48 login rtadvd[27685]: <ra_output> sendmsg on re1: No buffer
space available
Mar 12 20:08:06 login rtadvd[27685]: <ra_output> sendmsg on re1: No buffer
space available
Mar 12 20:15:44 login rtadvd[27685]: <ra_output> sendmsg on re1: No buffer
space available
Mar 12 20:25:21 login last message repeated 2 times
Mar 12 20:35:08 login last message repeated 2 times
Mar 12 20:44:47 login rtadvd[27685]: <ra_output> sendmsg on re1: No buffer
space available

This seems to be happening when I don't have that crossover cable plugged
into anything.
Can anybody share any clues on what might be going on and where to dig
further?

Thanks.
--
 Nikolai

ifconfig:

lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 33208
        groups: lo
        inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
        inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
        inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x5
fxp0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
        lladdr 00:c0:a8:fd:2a:69
        groups: egress
        media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex)
        status: active
        inet6 fe80::2c0:a8ff:fefd:2a69%fxp0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
        inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask 0xfffff000 broadcast 255.255.255.255
re0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
        lladdr 00:0e:2e:a9:0d:11
        media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT full-duplex,rxpause,txpause)
        status: active
        inet 192.168.2.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.2.255
        inet6 fe80::20e:2eff:fea9:d11%re0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2
        inet6 2001:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:e::1 prefixlen 96
        inet6 2001:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:e::2 prefixlen 96
        inet6 2001:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:e::3 prefixlen 96
re1: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
        lladdr 00:0e:2e:a9:07:c1
        media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex,rxpause,txpause)
        status: active
        inet 192.168.9.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.9.255
        inet6 fe80::20e:2eff:fea9:7c1%re1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3
        inet6 2001:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX:f::1 prefixlen 96
enc0: flags=0<> mtu 1536
gif0: flags=8051<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1280
        groups: gif
        physical address inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx --> 209.51.161.14
        inet6 fe80::2c0:a8ff:fefd:2a69%gif0 ->  prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x6
        inet6 2001:XXXX:XXXX:XXXX::2 ->  prefixlen 64
pflog0: flags=141<UP,RUNNING,PROMISC> mtu 33208
        groups: pflog




From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Thu Mar 13 08:39:05 2008
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:39:05 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] USENIX proceedings open
Message-ID: <47D92069.9030703@ceetonetechnology.com>

This is very good news.

http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/

George


From skreuzer at exit2shell.com  Thu Mar 13 10:49:18 2008
From: skreuzer at exit2shell.com (Steven Kreuzer)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:49:18 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYCBUG LinkedIn Group
In-Reply-To: <73D54571-1A0D-46A5-B93B-B9AD9F2D76B1@gmail.com>
References: <73D54571-1A0D-46A5-B93B-B9AD9F2D76B1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080313144918.GD20461@scruffy.exit2shell.com>

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 05:47:00PM -0400, Vitaliy Gladkevitch wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Just want to let you guys know that we now have a LinkedIn group, come  
> and join!
> 
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/70099/5D1736054036
> 
> - Vitaliy

Wow. Did NYCBUG just go all Web 2.0?

Also, I figure it is worth mentioning that NYCBUG also has
a channel on freenode, #nycbug

Currently it has 9 people in it, but I would like to see more.
Come join us, IRC is fun ;)

-- 
Steven Kreuzer
http://www.exit2shell.com/~skreuzer


From marco at metm.org  Thu Mar 13 10:50:31 2008
From: marco at metm.org (Marco Scoffier)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:50:31 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] non-DSL static IP
Message-ID: <47D93F37.8000203@metm.org>

Hi all,

I was wondering if there are any options for non-DSL static IP for a 
location in not gentrified quickly enough for verizon East Williamsburg.

Thanks,

-- 
Marco


From trish at bsdunix.net  Thu Mar 13 10:55:55 2008
From: trish at bsdunix.net (=?utf-8?B?U2lvYmhhbiBQYXRyaWNpYSBMeW5jaA==?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:55:55 +0000
Subject: [nycbug-talk] non-DSL static IP
In-Reply-To: <47D93F37.8000203@metm.org>
References: <47D93F37.8000203@metm.org>
Message-ID: <463613400-1205420160-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-132075078-@bxe134.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

EVDO?

Not sure if its static - but the EVDO modem we're using is static as far as I know - you can get them with static IPs and an external EVDO modem.

-trish
-- 
Siobhan Patricia Lynch


-----Original Message-----
From: Marco Scoffier <marco at metm.org>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:50:31 
To:NYCBUG <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
Subject: [nycbug-talk] non-DSL static IP


Hi all,

I was wondering if there are any options for non-DSL static IP for a
location in not gentrified quickly enough for verizon East Williamsburg.

Thanks,

--
Marco
_______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nycbug.org
http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


From alex at pilosoft.com  Thu Mar 13 11:22:28 2008
From: alex at pilosoft.com (Alex Pilosov)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:22:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] non-DSL static IP
In-Reply-To: <47D93F37.8000203@metm.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0803131120160.20537-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Marco Scoffier wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I was wondering if there are any options for non-DSL static IP for a
> location in not gentrified quickly enough for verizon East Williamsburg.
Umm

There are no areas of the city *without* DSL.

However, specific locations, gentrified or not may have no DSL due to 
local conditions, namely "DLC" (digital loop concentrators, essentially 
CO-in-a-box). That happens on upper west side as much as it happens 
anywhere else.

Your other option is timewarner/cv "business class" - i think its around 
75-100$/mo for service w/ static IP.

-alex



From riegersteve at gmail.com  Thu Mar 13 11:33:12 2008
From: riegersteve at gmail.com (Steve Rieger)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:33:12 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] non-DSL static IP
In-Reply-To: <47D93F37.8000203@metm.org>
References: <47D93F37.8000203@metm.org>
Message-ID: <47D94938.5000606@gmail.com>

Marco Scoffier wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering if there are any options for non-DSL static IP for a 
> location in not gentrified quickly enough for verizon East Williamsburg.
>
> Thanks,
>
>   
is there fios in ny ?
well worth it.


From marco at metm.org  Thu Mar 13 11:56:29 2008
From: marco at metm.org (Marco Scoffier)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:56:29 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] non-DSL static IP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0803131120160.20537-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0803131120160.20537-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
Message-ID: <47D94EAD.2060008@metm.org>

Alex Pilosov wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Marco Scoffier wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was wondering if there are any options for non-DSL static IP for a
>> location in not gentrified quickly enough for verizon East Williamsburg.
>>     
> Umm
>
> There are no areas of the city *without* DSL.
>
> However, specific locations, gentrified or not may have no DSL due to 
> local conditions, namely "DLC" (digital loop concentrators, essentially 
> CO-in-a-box). That happens on upper west side as much as it happens 
> anywhere else.
>
>   
Yes this is a digital loop.  And speakeasy the old provider won't/can't 
run a one-link.
> Your other option is timewarner/cv "business class" - i think its around 
> 75-100$/mo for service w/ static IP.
>   
Thanks,

-- 
Marco


From carton at Ivy.NET  Thu Mar 13 13:55:32 2008
From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:55:32 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] rtadvd on openbsd talking to mac
In-Reply-To: <34245.67.86.49.123.1205377434.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
	(nikolai's message of "Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:03:54 -0400 (EDT)")
References: <34245.67.86.49.123.1205377434.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
Message-ID: <oqhcfatsob.fsf@castrovalva.Ivy.NET>

>>>>> "n" == nikolai  <nikolai at fetissov.org> writes:

     n> Mar 12 20:44:47 login rtadvd[27685]: <ra_output> sendmsg on
     n> re1: No buffer space available

     n> This seems to be happening when I don't have that crossover
     n> cable plugged into anything.

don't worry about it, then.

After you plug in the crossover cable and it gets link-up, it'll blast
your laptop with an hour's worth of router advertisements, but no big
deal there.
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From nikolai at fetissov.org  Thu Mar 13 15:17:28 2008
From: nikolai at fetissov.org (nikolai)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:17:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] rtadvd on openbsd talking to mac
In-Reply-To: <oqhcfatsob.fsf@castrovalva.Ivy.NET>
References: <34245.67.86.49.123.1205377434.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
	<oqhcfatsob.fsf@castrovalva.Ivy.NET>
Message-ID: <24807.204.153.88.2.1205435848.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>

>      n> Mar 12 20:44:47 login rtadvd[27685]: <ra_output> sendmsg on
>      n> re1: No buffer space available
>
>      n> This seems to be happening when I don't have that crossover
>      n> cable plugged into anything.
>
> don't worry about it, then.
>
> After you plug in the crossover cable and it gets link-up, it'll blast
> your laptop with an hour's worth of router advertisements, but no big
> deal there.

Thanks Miles
--
 Nikolai


From mhernandez at techally.com  Tue Mar 18 14:46:43 2008
From: mhernandez at techally.com (Michael Hernandez)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:46:43 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] invalid type argument of '->'
Message-ID: <C43C0531-0E39-47E3-AD0A-F219E091F5EF@techally.com>

I am trying to build the php5-spl port and I keep getting errors like  
this:

/usr/ports/devel/php5-spl/work/php-5.2.5/ext/spl/php_spl.c:61: error:  
invalid type argument of `->'

I looked at php_spl.c - I don't see what's wrong with it. The line is:

spl_globals->autoload_extensions     = NULL;


Is that not valid code? Is my gcc just old? I'm running out of ideas  
here. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!

--Mike H

PS - running 6.3-STABLE, gcc 3.4.6


From mspitzer at gmail.com  Tue Mar 18 15:36:59 2008
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:36:59 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] invalid type argument of '->'
In-Reply-To: <C43C0531-0E39-47E3-AD0A-F219E091F5EF@techally.com>
References: <C43C0531-0E39-47E3-AD0A-F219E091F5EF@techally.com>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30803181236m60dec4f6sfd434c656d37a66f@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Michael Hernandez
<mhernandez at techally.com> wrote:
> I am trying to build the php5-spl port and I keep getting errors like
>  this:
>
>  /usr/ports/devel/php5-spl/work/php-5.2.5/ext/spl/php_spl.c:61: error:
>  invalid type argument of `->'
>
>  I looked at php_spl.c - I don't see what's wrong with it. The line is:
>
>  spl_globals->autoload_extensions     = NULL;
>
>
>  Is that not valid code? Is my gcc just old? I'm running out of ideas
>  here. Any help would be appreciated.

is spl_globals a pointer?  Stupid question but it is complaining that
it can not do a pointer dereference and access structure field.

marc

>
>  Thanks!
>
>  --Mike H
>
>  PS - running 6.3-STABLE, gcc 3.4.6
>  _______________________________________________
>  talk mailing list
>  talk at lists.nycbug.org
>  http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



-- 
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Albert Camus


From mhernandez at techally.com  Tue Mar 18 16:16:59 2008
From: mhernandez at techally.com (Michael Hernandez)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:16:59 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] invalid type argument of '->'
In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30803181236m60dec4f6sfd434c656d37a66f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C43C0531-0E39-47E3-AD0A-F219E091F5EF@techally.com>
	<8c50a3c30803181236m60dec4f6sfd434c656d37a66f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A42E3194-82E5-401D-BAED-C947D397CED6@techally.com>


On Mar 18, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Marc Spitzer wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Michael Hernandez
> <mhernandez at techally.com> wrote:
>> I am trying to build the php5-spl port and I keep getting errors like
>> this:
>>
>> /usr/ports/devel/php5-spl/work/php-5.2.5/ext/spl/php_spl.c:61: error:
>> invalid type argument of `->'
>>
>> I looked at php_spl.c - I don't see what's wrong with it. The line  
>> is:
>>
>> spl_globals->autoload_extensions     = NULL;
>>
>>
>> Is that not valid code? Is my gcc just old? I'm running out of ideas
>> here. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> is spl_globals a pointer?  Stupid question but it is complaining that
> it can not do a pointer dereference and access structure field.
>
> marc
>
>>

To be quite honest, I'm not sure - I guess the PHP hackers might be  
too used to hacking in PHP and so their C is getting sloppy? Which  
isn't good since PHP is written in C, not PHP. :)




From techneck at goldenpath.org  Thu Mar 20 15:26:28 2008
From: techneck at goldenpath.org (Tim A.)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:26:28 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] invalid type argument of '->'
In-Reply-To: <A42E3194-82E5-401D-BAED-C947D397CED6@techally.com>
References: <C43C0531-0E39-47E3-AD0A-F219E091F5EF@techally.com>	<8c50a3c30803181236m60dec4f6sfd434c656d37a66f@mail.gmail.com>
	<A42E3194-82E5-401D-BAED-C947D397CED6@techally.com>
Message-ID: <47E2BA64.30201@goldenpath.org>

Michael Hernandez wrote:
> On Mar 18, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Marc Spitzer wrote:
>
>   
>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Michael Hernandez
>> <mhernandez at techally.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> I am trying to build the php5-spl port and I keep getting errors like
>>> this:
>>>
>>> /usr/ports/devel/php5-spl/work/php-5.2.5/ext/spl/php_spl.c:61: error:
>>> invalid type argument of `->'
>>>
>>> I looked at php_spl.c - I don't see what's wrong with it. The line  
>>> is:
>>>
>>> spl_globals->autoload_extensions     = NULL;
>>>
>>>
>>> Is that not valid code? Is my gcc just old? I'm running out of ideas
>>> here. Any help would be appreciated.
>>>       
>> is spl_globals a pointer?  Stupid question but it is complaining that
>> it can not do a pointer dereference and access structure field.
>>
>> marc
>>
>>     
>
> To be quite honest, I'm not sure - I guess the PHP hackers might be  
> too used to hacking in PHP and so their C is getting sloppy? Which  
> isn't good since PHP is written in C, not PHP. :)
>
>   

I just gave it a go. Installed from port just fine on 6.2.
Stupid question, but have you tried a portsnap?


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From jpb at sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net  Fri Mar 21 12:04:46 2008
From: jpb at sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:04:46 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] [announce] NYCBUG Tonight: Brooks Davis
In-Reply-To: <47E255A8.9040806@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <47E255A8.9040806@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <47E3DC9E.9010704@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>

NYC*BUG Announcements wrote:
> March 20, 2008
> Brooks Davis: Building a High-Performance Computing Cluster Using FreeBSD
> 
> 6:30pm, Suspenders Restaurant
> http://www.suspendersbar.com/location.php
> 
> Special NYC*BUG meeting with FreeBSD developer Brooks Davis
> Please note that this meeting is not on our normal first Wednesday of 
> the month, and that we will not be adjusting our other meetings
> 


Will Brooks' slides about FreeBSD clustering be made available
on the NYCBUG site?

Jim B.


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Fri Mar 21 12:10:07 2008
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:10:07 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] [announce] NYCBUG Tonight: Brooks Davis
In-Reply-To: <47E3DC9E.9010704@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>
References: <47E255A8.9040806@ceetonetechnology.com>
	<47E3DC9E.9010704@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>
Message-ID: <47E3DDDF.6080901@ceetonetechnology.com>

Jim Brown wrote:
> NYC*BUG Announcements wrote:
>> March 20, 2008
>> Brooks Davis: Building a High-Performance Computing Cluster Using FreeBSD
>>
>> 6:30pm, Suspenders Restaurant
>> http://www.suspendersbar.com/location.php
>>
>> Special NYC*BUG meeting with FreeBSD developer Brooks Davis
>> Please note that this meeting is not on our normal first Wednesday of 
>> the month, and that we will not be adjusting our other meetings
>>
> 
> 
> Will Brooks' slides about FreeBSD clustering be made available
> on the NYCBUG site?
> 

He's cc'd. . . but there's a link to the original paper from BSDCon 2003 
on the site announce.

George


From techneck at goldenpath.org  Fri Mar 21 13:07:07 2008
From: techneck at goldenpath.org (Tim A.)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:07:07 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] invalid type argument of '->'
In-Reply-To: <47E2BA64.30201@goldenpath.org>
References: <C43C0531-0E39-47E3-AD0A-F219E091F5EF@techally.com>	<8c50a3c30803181236m60dec4f6sfd434c656d37a66f@mail.gmail.com>	<A42E3194-82E5-401D-BAED-C947D397CED6@techally.com>
	<47E2BA64.30201@goldenpath.org>
Message-ID: <47E3EB3B.70608@goldenpath.org>

Tim A. wrote:
> Michael Hernandez wrote:
>> On Mar 18, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Marc Spitzer wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Michael Hernandez
>>> <mhernandez at techally.com> wrote:
>>>     
>>>> I am trying to build the php5-spl port and I keep getting errors like
>>>> this:
>>>>
>>>> /usr/ports/devel/php5-spl/work/php-5.2.5/ext/spl/php_spl.c:61: error:
>>>> invalid type argument of `->'
>>>>
>>>> I looked at php_spl.c - I don't see what's wrong with it. The line  
>>>> is:
>>>>
>>>> spl_globals->autoload_extensions     = NULL;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is that not valid code? Is my gcc just old? I'm running out of ideas
>>>> here. Any help would be appreciated.
>>>>       
>>> is spl_globals a pointer?  Stupid question but it is complaining that
>>> it can not do a pointer dereference and access structure field.
>>>
>>> marc
>>>
>>>     
>>
>> To be quite honest, I'm not sure - I guess the PHP hackers might be  
>> too used to hacking in PHP and so their C is getting sloppy? Which  
>> isn't good since PHP is written in C, not PHP. :)
>>
>>   
>
> I just gave it a go. Installed from port just fine on 6.2.
> Stupid question, but have you tried a portsnap?
>

I've been brushing up on my C lately. (btw, O'Reilly's C Pocket 
Reference is really good.)
So, Mark's pointer question got me curious and I thought I'd look it up.
It seems easy enough to determine.
Assuming we're in /usr/ports/devel/php5-spl
After you've at least attempted to install the port once, you should 
have a directory called work.
# find work -type f -exec grep -Hn spl_globals {} \;

Which indicates as I might have suspected, the answer is in php_spl.h

I think the following lines indicate that spl_globals is a pointer 
variable of type zend_spl_globals which would appear to be a pointer to 
a structure but I can't find where zend_spl_globals is implemented. It 
seems to not be in these source files.

#ifdef ZTS
# define SPL_G(v) TSRMG(spl_globals_id, zend_spl_globals *, v)
extern int spl_globals_id;
#else
# define SPL_G(v) (spl_globals.v)
extern zend_spl_globals spl_globals;
#endif


I don't understand preprocessing though. So, I'm not sure exactly what 
the # define lines mean or how they work. (Coming up to that part).
Only thing I ever used those for were including standard headers.



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From bonsaime at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 10:43:42 2008
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:43:42 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cluster storage
Message-ID: <aa9991030803210743s3c2710e1j683a60092e56cb6a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Was anything mentioned of storage in last nights' meeting? I'm very
interested in distributed storage, with the least amount of redundancy
possible yet still be tolerant. Who isn't?

-jesse


From stucchi at briantel.com  Fri Mar 21 14:10:28 2008
From: stucchi at briantel.com (Massimiliano Stucchi)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:10:28 +0100
Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSDCan trip
Message-ID: <28981E26-1539-48D8-BF5C-90250E83CF1C@briantel.com>


Hi all,

since BSDCan is approaching, I'm going to try to sort out my route to  
the conference.  Since I'll be the one and only Italian this year, I  
was planning on flying directly to Ottawa, but after speaking with  
Sanjay I'm putting my ideas again on the table.

Last year, with a few other Italians, we drove over and brought Sanjay  
with us.  He lives in Poughkeepsie and is offering a ride over to  
Ottawa.

Is there anybody else willing to share a ride to the conference from  
either NYC or the region, or somebody who would like to join us ?

Ciao !

--

Massimiliano Stucchi, CTO & Director of Operations
BrianTel SRL
stucchi at briantel.com
Tel (+39) 0393590101 | Fax (+39) 0393590100
I-20040, Carnate (Milano), via Carducci 9
MS16801-RIPE



From mspitzer at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 15:16:13 2008
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:16:13 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] invalid type argument of '->'
In-Reply-To: <47E3EB3B.70608@goldenpath.org>
References: <C43C0531-0E39-47E3-AD0A-F219E091F5EF@techally.com>
	<8c50a3c30803181236m60dec4f6sfd434c656d37a66f@mail.gmail.com>
	<A42E3194-82E5-401D-BAED-C947D397CED6@techally.com>
	<47E2BA64.30201@goldenpath.org> <47E3EB3B.70608@goldenpath.org>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30803211216i349bdeberda98e6c797f60887@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Tim A. <techneck at goldenpath.org> wrote:
>
>  Tim A. wrote:
>  Michael Hernandez wrote:
>  On Mar 18, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Marc Spitzer wrote:
>
>  On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Michael Hernandez
> <mhernandez at techally.com> wrote:
>
>  I am trying to build the php5-spl port and I keep getting errors like
> this:
>
> /usr/ports/devel/php5-spl/work/php-5.2.5/ext/spl/php_spl.c:61: error:
> invalid type argument of `->'
>
> I looked at php_spl.c - I don't see what's wrong with it. The line
> is:
>
> spl_globals->autoload_extensions = NULL;
>
>
> Is that not valid code? Is my gcc just old? I'm running out of ideas
> here. Any help would be appreciated.
>
>  is spl_globals a pointer? Stupid question but it is complaining that
> it can not do a pointer dereference and access structure field.
>
> marc
>
>
>  To be quite honest, I'm not sure - I guess the PHP hackers might be
> too used to hacking in PHP and so their C is getting sloppy? Which
> isn't good since PHP is written in C, not PHP. :)
>
>
>
>  I just gave it a go. Installed from port just fine on 6.2.
>  Stupid question, but have you tried a portsnap?
>
>
>  I've been brushing up on my C lately. (btw, O'Reilly's C Pocket Reference
> is really good.)
>  So, Mark's pointer question got me curious and I thought I'd look it up.
>  It seems easy enough to determine.
>  Assuming we're in /usr/ports/devel/php5-spl
>  After you've at least attempted to install the port once, you should have a
> directory called work.
>  # find work -type f -exec grep -Hn spl_globals {} \;

if you want to poke around install the cscope port and use it, you *really*
want to do this.

>
>  Which indicates as I might have suspected, the answer is in php_spl.h
>
>  I think the following lines indicate that spl_globals is a pointer variable
> of type zend_spl_globals which would appear to be a pointer to a structure
> but I can't find where zend_spl_globals is implemented. It seems to not be
> in these source files.

check the installed php stuff, /usr/local/include

>
>  #ifdef ZTS
>  # define SPL_G(v) TSRMG(spl_globals_id, zend_spl_globals *, v)
>  extern int spl_globals_id;
>  #else
>  # define SPL_G(v) (spl_globals.v)
>  extern zend_spl_globals spl_globals;
>  #endif
>
>
>  I don't understand preprocessing though. So, I'm not sure exactly what the
> # define lines mean or how they work. (Coming up to that part).
>  Only thing I ever used those for were including standard headers.

C's macro preprocessor is not complicated, the above translates to:

if the thing ZTS is defined, somewhere above "#define ZTS 'something'
" was encountered do the first half otherwise do the second half.  And
if you want to do C and don't already have it get the current version
of K&R.  By do I mean put a chunk of text in the output file, as cpp
handles all the #commands and macro substitution.

Also keep in mind that the compiler, when it actually compiles,
expects one big file to munch on, #include for example does not tell
the compiler to look here so much to include this file in the current
one here.  I do not know if gcc actually does that, if you get it to
dump the cpp output it will tell you, but conceptually that is what C
does.

Happy hacking,

marc
-- 
Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
Albert Camus


From techneck at goldenpath.org  Fri Mar 21 16:41:08 2008
From: techneck at goldenpath.org (Tim A.)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:41:08 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] invalid type argument of '->'
In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30803211216i349bdeberda98e6c797f60887@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C43C0531-0E39-47E3-AD0A-F219E091F5EF@techally.com>	
	<8c50a3c30803181236m60dec4f6sfd434c656d37a66f@mail.gmail.com>	
	<A42E3194-82E5-401D-BAED-C947D397CED6@techally.com>	
	<47E2BA64.30201@goldenpath.org> <47E3EB3B.70608@goldenpath.org>
	<8c50a3c30803211216i349bdeberda98e6c797f60887@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47E41D64.8040004@goldenpath.org>

>
>
> if you want to poke around install the cscope port and use it, you *really*
> want to do this.
>
>   
Thanks much. Came across cscope in a pdf on linux kernel hacking I had a 
while back but misplaced.
Meant to get my hands more into that.
Guess I sort of lost track of it.

> check the installed php stuff, /usr/local/include
>  
Making more sense already. I see

> C's macro preprocessor is not complicated, the above translates to:
>
> if the thing ZTS is defined, somewhere above "#define ZTS 'something'
> " was encountered do the first half otherwise do the second half.  

The logic was straight forward. "define" is obviously a command.
But the (I guess you'd call them "identifiers"?) didn't make any sense 
to me:

SPL_G(v) TSRMG(spl_globals_id, zend_spl_globals *, v)

SPL_G(v) (spl_globals.v)


> And if you want to do C and don't already have it get the current version
> of K&R.  By do I mean put a chunk of text in the output file, as cpp
> handles all the #commands and macro substitution.
>   

That is a book I should have read long time ago.
College deluded me into thinking C was antiquated and C++ was all I 
needed and that if *that* ever failed to be the case, Java would be the 
answer.
Hacking stuff indicated Assembly was where you could really take command 
of the machine.
Assembly is very cool, but a weeee bit a PITA.
Taking another look at C makes me think C++ might be good at that higher 
level code management, but it abstracted away the depth of manipulation 
(and a deeper understanding) it looks like C is made for.
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From matt at atopia.net  Fri Mar 21 17:50:06 2008
From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:50:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: Website Link Exchange Question
Message-ID: <20080321174608.E43592@mercury.atopia.net>

Hi all,

As many of you know, I run bsdjobs.net - years ago, I posted the idea on 
this list, and then when I launched the site last year, I alerted all of 
you that the site had been launched.  Since then, the site has been very 
successful in my opinion.

This morning, I received this email:

>> i just tripped over your site as i was doing some additional research
>> for my site. We've started a Unix, Linux and BSD recruiting service and
>> were curious, if we could somehow exchange links. I've seen you have a
>> small firefox image, maybe something simular, nothing big.
>>
>> If you're asking yourself "Why should i link to a semi-commercial
>> company?"i'll pre-answer it for you:
>> We're trying to stay as "pure" and dedicated to the community (by
>> community i mean the whole open source community) as possible.

I'm a bit confused as to whether a "link exchange" like this would be 
beneficial to the concept and purpose of the site, or whether it would 
hurt it.

I'm leaning towards saying that the site is meant to allow recruiters/job 
seekers to be on equal ground in searching for candidates and jobs, 
respectively, and not honoring requests like this one.  In the past few 
months, I've gotten similar emails, and so I felt it was time to ask the 
opinion of nycbug.

Would any of you mind sharing your opinion on whether something like this 
would be a good idea?

Thanks!

-Matt


From nikolai at fetissov.org  Fri Mar 21 19:01:51 2008
From: nikolai at fetissov.org (nikolai)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:01:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] March 20, 2008 meeting audio
Message-ID: <6920.67.86.49.123.1206140511.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>

Folks,

Audio of Brooks Davis presentation os online at
http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/nycbug-03-20-08.mp3

Cheers.
--
 Nikolai


From nikolai at fetissov.org  Fri Mar 21 19:02:17 2008
From: nikolai at fetissov.org (nikolai)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:02:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] March 20, 2008 meeting audio
Message-ID: <15691.67.86.49.123.1206140537.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>

Folks,

Audio of Brooks Davis presentation is online at
http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/nycbug-03-20-08.mp3

--
 Nikolai


From dan at langille.org  Fri Mar 21 19:57:31 2008
From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:57:31 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: Website Link Exchange Question
In-Reply-To: <20080321174608.E43592@mercury.atopia.net>
References: <20080321174608.E43592@mercury.atopia.net>
Message-ID: <1335FBE0-7D5E-439A-9318-E2879728D7C6@langille.org>

On Mar 21, 2008, at 5:50 PM, Matt Juszczak wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As many of you know, I run bsdjobs.net - years ago, I posted the  
> idea on
> this list, and then when I launched the site last year, I alerted  
> all of
> you that the site had been launched.  Since then, the site has been  
> very
> successful in my opinion.
>
> This morning, I received this email:
>
>>> i just tripped over your site as i was doing some additional  
>>> research
>>> for my site. We've started a Unix, Linux and BSD recruiting  
>>> service and
>>> were curious, if we could somehow exchange links. I've seen you  
>>> have a
>>> small firefox image, maybe something simular, nothing big.
>>>
>>> If you're asking yourself "Why should i link to a semi-commercial
>>> company?"i'll pre-answer it for you:
>>> We're trying to stay as "pure" and dedicated to the community (by
>>> community i mean the whole open source community) as possible.
>
> I'm a bit confused as to whether a "link exchange" like this would be
> beneficial to the concept and purpose of the site, or whether it would
> hurt it.
>
> I'm leaning towards saying that the site is meant to allow  
> recruiters/job
> seekers to be on equal ground in searching for candidates and jobs,
> respectively, and not honoring requests like this one.  In the past  
> few
> months, I've gotten similar emails, and so I felt it was time to  
> ask the
> opinion of nycbug.
>
> Would any of you mind sharing your opinion on whether something  
> like this
> would be a good idea?


Usually the person requesting the link is the one that will benefit
the most from the link.  Inbound Links help drive traffic and boost
your Google "page rank". Your site has been around a bit longer
and a link from you to them is worth more than a link from them
to you.

You have to decide for yourself: who will benefit from the links and
in what way?

-- 
Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/
dan at langille.org






From lego at therac25.net  Fri Mar 21 20:42:12 2008
From: lego at therac25.net (Andy Michaels)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:42:12 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] invalid type argument of '->'
In-Reply-To: <47E41D64.8040004@goldenpath.org>
References: <C43C0531-0E39-47E3-AD0A-F219E091F5EF@techally.com>	
	<8c50a3c30803181236m60dec4f6sfd434c656d37a66f@mail.gmail.com>	
	<A42E3194-82E5-401D-BAED-C947D397CED6@techally.com>	
	<47E2BA64.30201@goldenpath.org> <47E3EB3B.70608@goldenpath.org>
	<8c50a3c30803211216i349bdeberda98e6c797f60887@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E41D64.8040004@goldenpath.org>
Message-ID: <B9E64ED5-6903-4228-AEE5-6285FC79F245@therac25.net>


On Mar 21, 2008, at 4:41 PM, Tim A. wrote:

>> if you want to poke around install the cscope port and use it, you  
>> *really*
>> want to do this.
>>
>>
> Thanks much. Came across cscope in a pdf on linux kernel hacking I  
> had a while back but misplaced.
> Meant to get my hands more into that.
> Guess I sort of lost track of it.
>
>> check the installed php stuff, /usr/local/include
>>
> Making more sense already. I see
>
>> C's macro preprocessor is not complicated, the above translates to:
>>
>> if the thing ZTS is defined, somewhere above "#define ZTS 'something'
>> " was encountered do the first half otherwise do the second half.
>
> The logic was straight forward. "define" is obviously a command.
> But the (I guess you'd call them "identifiers"?) didn't make any  
> sense to me:
> SPL_G(v) TSRMG(spl_globals_id, zend_spl_globals *, v)
>
> SPL_G(v) (spl_globals.v)
>
>> And if you want to do C and don't already have it get the current  
>> version
>> of K&R.  By do I mean put a chunk of text in the output file, as cpp
>> handles all the #commands and macro substitution.
>>
>
> That is a book I should have read long time ago.
> College deluded me into thinking C was antiquated and C++ was all I  
> needed and that if *that* ever failed to be the case, Java would be  
> the answer.
> Hacking stuff indicated Assembly was where you could really take  
> command of the machine.
> Assembly is very cool, but a weeee bit a PITA.
> Taking another look at C makes me think C++ might be good at that  
> higher level code management, but it abstracted away the depth of  
> manipulation (and a deeper understanding) it looks like C is made for.
> ___________________________________________

The K&R book is simply the best.  It's very readable, and explains  
very clearly all of the basic things you'll ever need in C.  When you  
get into libraries and such, well, you'll need other references, but  
the K&R is a very nice (and thin - but don't let that fool you) book.

-Andy

> ____
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From mspitzer at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 21:30:18 2008
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:30:18 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] invalid type argument of '->'
In-Reply-To: <47E41D64.8040004@goldenpath.org>
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On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Tim A. <techneck at goldenpath.org> wrote:
>  C's macro preprocessor is not complicated, the above translates to:
>
> if the thing ZTS is defined, somewhere above "#define ZTS 'something'
> " was encountered do the first half otherwise do the second half.
>
>  The logic was straight forward. "define" is obviously a command.
>  But the (I guess you'd call them "identifiers"?) didn't make any sense to
> me:
>  SPL_G(v) TSRMG(spl_globals_id, zend_spl_globals *, v)
>
> SPL_G(v) (spl_globals.v)
>

One hint if something is all in CAPS it is generally a macro

>
>
>  And if you want to do C and don't already have it get the current version
> of K&R. By do I mean put a chunk of text in the output file, as cpp
> handles all the #commands and macro substitution.
>
>
>  That is a book I should have read long time ago.
>  College deluded me into thinking C was antiquated and C++ was all I needed
> and that if *that* ever failed to be the case, Java would be the answer.
>  Hacking stuff indicated Assembly was where you could really take command of
> the machine.
>  Assembly is very cool, but a weeee bit a PITA.
>  Taking another look at C makes me think C++ might be good at that higher
> level code management, but it abstracted away the depth of manipulation (and
> a deeper understanding) it looks like C is made for.
>

This is important C is not a subset of C++ there are differences here.
 And the difference is growing over time.

marc


-- 
Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
Albert Camus


From pete at nomadlogic.org  Mon Mar 24 12:59:21 2008
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:59:21 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cluster storage
In-Reply-To: <aa9991030803210743s3c2710e1j683a60092e56cb6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa9991030803210743s3c2710e1j683a60092e56cb6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080324165921.GI32757@sunset.nomadlogic.org>

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 10:43:42AM -0400, Jesse Callaway wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Was anything mentioned of storage in last nights' meeting? I'm very
> interested in distributed storage, with the least amount of redundancy
> possible yet still be tolerant. Who isn't?
> 

from my experience there is no real easy way to truely create a
clustered storage pool with BSD's standard filesystems currently.  I've
even played with RedHat's gfs, and it's not ready for high volume
production use yet IMHO.

having said that - isilon systems (www.isilon.com) makes a scalable
clustered storage solution based on FreeBSD.  they have implemented
thier own filesystem to do this.  Also NetApp's next gen product (GX)
makes heavy use of FreeBSD.  so those are good signs if you can pay to
play, are looking for an appliance type solution, or are a FreeBSD
developer :)

there are also things like VxFS (veritas' clustered filesystem) and
oracle's offering (OCFS).  I read an article about using OCFS in an
non-oracle environment once that looked interesting, but it does suffer
from being GPL'd...

-p 

-- 
~~oO00Oo~~
Peter Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
www.nomadlogic.org/~pete
310.869.9459



From compustretch at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 16:37:55 2008
From: compustretch at gmail.com (forest mars)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:37:55 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cluster storage
In-Reply-To: <20080324165921.GI32757@sunset.nomadlogic.org>
References: <aa9991030803210743s3c2710e1j683a60092e56cb6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080324165921.GI32757@sunset.nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <c2f754300803241337w428143deq4b4cb8852152cf86@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/24/08, Pete Wright <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:
>
>
> having said that - isilon systems (www.isilon.com) makes a scalable
> clustered storage solution based on FreeBSD.  they have implemented
> thier own filesystem to do this.



So, yeah, the Isilon system is pretty sweet, as they say, although your
budgetary requirements may vary.

One thing they are a bit cagey on is using idle nodes for cluster
processing. They keep some facets of their system hushed, and haven't
released an API (and apparently don't intend to) howev they do hint that
you're free to have at it yourself. I have a pending request to them for
some clarification in this direction as I would like to be able to take
advantage of an over-powered/under-utilised cluster in such fashion.

In the meantime it's a great solution until a better/non-proprietary fs
comes along (asmentioned I'm hoping zfs will
make good on Sun's promise, though not holding my breath.)


Forest Mars
-- 
"In theory, theory and practice are exactly the same.
In practice, they're completely different."

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From compustretch at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 16:27:23 2008
From: compustretch at gmail.com (forest mars)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:27:23 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cluster storage
In-Reply-To: <20080324165921.GI32757@sunset.nomadlogic.org>
References: <aa9991030803210743s3c2710e1j683a60092e56cb6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080324165921.GI32757@sunset.nomadlogic.org>
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On 3/24/08, Pete Wright <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 10:43:42AM -0400, Jesse Callaway wrote:
> > Was anything mentioned of storage in last nights' meeting? I'm very
> > interested in distributed storage, with the least amount of redundancy
> > possible yet still be tolerant. Who isn't?
>
> from my experience there is no real easy way to truely create a
> clustered storage pool with BSD's standard filesystems currently.  I've
> even played with RedHat's gfs, and it's not ready for high volume
> production use yet IMHO.



I believe the next NYCBUG meeting will be a talk on ZFS by Ike.
Perhaps he may have a *secret* to share, such as when Sun will add the
support for multiple connections to pooled storage-- as they've been
promising for a  w h i l e . . .


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From techneck at goldenpath.org  Tue Mar 25 09:41:46 2008
From: techneck at goldenpath.org (Tim A.)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:41:46 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cluster storage
In-Reply-To: <20080324165921.GI32757@sunset.nomadlogic.org>
References: <aa9991030803210743s3c2710e1j683a60092e56cb6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080324165921.GI32757@sunset.nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <47E9011A.8080100@goldenpath.org>

Pete Wright wrote:
> having said that - isilon systems (www.isilon.com) makes a scalable
> clustered storage solution based on FreeBSD.  they have implemented
> thier own filesystem to do this. 
>   

Isilon architecture is interesting.
One thing in particular that bothered me though is that, apparently, 
they're cpu bound to 100MB/s of I/O per node.
With up to 12 drives per node, that just seems insanely inefficient.

For some environments, maybe the advantages outweigh that limitation.
And, of course it's less of an issue if you have / can afford many nodes.



From pete at nomadlogic.org  Tue Mar 25 14:18:47 2008
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:18:47 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cluster storage
In-Reply-To: <47E9011A.8080100@goldenpath.org>
References: <aa9991030803210743s3c2710e1j683a60092e56cb6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080324165921.GI32757@sunset.nomadlogic.org>
	<47E9011A.8080100@goldenpath.org>
Message-ID: <20080325181847.GJ32757@sunset.nomadlogic.org>

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 09:41:46AM -0400, Tim A. wrote:
> Pete Wright wrote:
> > having said that - isilon systems (www.isilon.com) makes a scalable
> > clustered storage solution based on FreeBSD.  they have implemented
> > thier own filesystem to do this. 
> >   
> 
> Isilon architecture is interesting.
> One thing in particular that bothered me though is that, apparently, 
> they're cpu bound to 100MB/s of I/O per node.
> With up to 12 drives per node, that just seems insanely inefficient.
> 

hmm never noticed that to tell you the truth...one thing we have found is
that isilon's filesystem is tuned for large transfers, specifically
reads from client nodes.  you would not want to use it as a general
purpose NAS storage pool IMHO - but drop it in when you have a "hot"
data set.  for example we'll put largish datasets on there that many
different nodes will be accessing and we get acceptable throughput.  


-p

-- 
~~oO00Oo~~
Peter Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
www.nomadlogic.org/~pete
310.869.9459



From dave at donnerjack.com  Tue Mar 25 14:29:48 2008
From: dave at donnerjack.com (David Lawson)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:29:48 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cluster storage
In-Reply-To: <20080325181847.GJ32757@sunset.nomadlogic.org>
References: <aa9991030803210743s3c2710e1j683a60092e56cb6a@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mar 25, 2008, at 2:18 PM, Pete Wright wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 09:41:46AM -0400, Tim A. wrote:
>> Pete Wright wrote:
>>> having said that - isilon systems (www.isilon.com) makes a scalable
>>> clustered storage solution based on FreeBSD.  they have implemented
>>> thier own filesystem to do this.
>>>
>>
>> Isilon architecture is interesting.
>> One thing in particular that bothered me though is that, apparently,
>> they're cpu bound to 100MB/s of I/O per node.
>> With up to 12 drives per node, that just seems insanely inefficient.
>>

If you're not looking for a solution specifically backed by FreeBSD,  
I've been looking at Agami and EqualLogic IP SAN solutions, both of  
them claim (and from the benchmarks I've managed to run, deliver) some  
pretty impressive performance numbers in a stackable solution.

--Dave



From bob at redivi.com  Tue Mar 25 11:00:48 2008
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:00:48 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cluster storage
In-Reply-To: <20080324165921.GI32757@sunset.nomadlogic.org>
References: <aa9991030803210743s3c2710e1j683a60092e56cb6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080324165921.GI32757@sunset.nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <6a36e7290803250800q71b48ccfy61cb83f2e438780@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Pete Wright <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 10:43:42AM -0400, Jesse Callaway wrote:
>  > Hi all,
>  >
>  > Was anything mentioned of storage in last nights' meeting? I'm very
>  > interested in distributed storage, with the least amount of redundancy
>  > possible yet still be tolerant. Who isn't?
>  >
>
>  from my experience there is no real easy way to truely create a
>  clustered storage pool with BSD's standard filesystems currently.  I've
>  even played with RedHat's gfs, and it's not ready for high volume
>  production use yet IMHO.
>
>  having said that - isilon systems (www.isilon.com) makes a scalable
>  clustered storage solution based on FreeBSD.  they have implemented
>  thier own filesystem to do this.  Also NetApp's next gen product (GX)
>  makes heavy use of FreeBSD.  so those are good signs if you can pay to
>  play, are looking for an appliance type solution, or are a FreeBSD
>  developer :)
>
>  there are also things like VxFS (veritas' clustered filesystem) and
>  oracle's offering (OCFS).  I read an article about using OCFS in an
>  non-oracle environment once that looked interesting, but it does suffer
>  from being GPL'd...

I've been meaning to look at GlusterFS as well -- which is also GPL.

-bob


From mikel.king at olivent.com  Wed Mar 26 09:58:31 2008
From: mikel.king at olivent.com (Mikel King)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:58:31 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] volunteers to help with Daemon News
Message-ID: <6502D4AD-7093-4D50-B8B5-4E230AEF5E80@olivent.com>

I am looking for a couple of volunteers to assist with the data  
recovery for DN. This work will require some light HTML skills.


Cheers,
Mikel King
CEO, Olivent Technologies
Senior Editor, Daemon News
6 Alpine Court
Medford, NY 11763
http://www.olivent.com
http://www.daemonnews.org
skype: mikel.king
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Mar 26 10:03:06 2008
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:03:06 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] volunteers to help with Daemon News
In-Reply-To: <6502D4AD-7093-4D50-B8B5-4E230AEF5E80@olivent.com>
References: <6502D4AD-7093-4D50-B8B5-4E230AEF5E80@olivent.com>
Message-ID: <47EA579A.30404@ceetonetechnology.com>

Mikel King wrote:
> I am looking for a couple of volunteers to assist with the data recovery 
> for DN. This work will require some light HTML skills.
> 

I *strongly* encourage people to reply.

We have a large number of people in NYCBUG who take active roles in the 
community. . . and for those looking to do so, revitalizing DN is the way.

A strong DN is compulsory for keeping a good general site for BSD news 
and documentation. . . and besides, Ivan is waiting to post his review 
of Dru's FBSD Basics Book :)

George


From greg at ltcc.com  Wed Mar 26 10:09:48 2008
From: greg at ltcc.com (Greg Robinson)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:09:48 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] volunteers to help with Daemon News
In-Reply-To: <47EA579A.30404@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <20080326140948.RIAS20696.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@FtMason>

I can lend six hours over the course of a week or week and a half - based on
my other work load.
Greg

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of George Rosamond
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:03 AM
To: Mikel King
Cc: talk at lists.nycbug.org
Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] volunteers to help with Daemon News

Mikel King wrote:
> I am looking for a couple of volunteers to assist with the data recovery 
> for DN. This work will require some light HTML skills.
> 

I *strongly* encourage people to reply.

We have a large number of people in NYCBUG who take active roles in the 
community. . . and for those looking to do so, revitalizing DN is the way.

A strong DN is compulsory for keeping a good general site for BSD news 
and documentation. . . and besides, Ivan is waiting to post his review 
of Dru's FBSD Basics Book :)

George
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From mhernandez at techally.com  Wed Mar 26 10:50:59 2008
From: mhernandez at techally.com (Michael Hernandez)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:50:59 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] invalid type argument of '->'
In-Reply-To: <47E3EB3B.70608@goldenpath.org>
References: <C43C0531-0E39-47E3-AD0A-F219E091F5EF@techally.com>
	<8c50a3c30803181236m60dec4f6sfd434c656d37a66f@mail.gmail.com>
	<A42E3194-82E5-401D-BAED-C947D397CED6@techally.com>
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On Mar 21, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Tim A. wrote:

> Tim A. wrote:
>>
>> Michael Hernandez wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2008, at 3:36 PM, Marc Spitzer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Michael Hernandez
>>>> <mhernandez at techally.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to build the php5-spl port and I keep getting errors  
>>>>> like
>>>>> this:
>>>>>
>>>>> /usr/ports/devel/php5-spl/work/php-5.2.5/ext/spl/php_spl.c:61:  
>>>>> error:
>>>>> invalid type argument of `->'
>>>>>
>>>>> I looked at php_spl.c - I don't see what's wrong with it. The line
>>>>> is:
>>>>>
>>>>> spl_globals->autoload_extensions     = NULL;
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that not valid code? Is my gcc just old? I'm running out of  
>>>>> ideas
>>>>> here. Any help would be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>> is spl_globals a pointer?  Stupid question but it is complaining  
>>>> that
>>>> it can not do a pointer dereference and access structure field.
>>>>
>>>> marc
>>>>
>>>>
>>> To be quite honest, I'm not sure - I guess the PHP hackers might be
>>> too used to hacking in PHP and so their C is getting sloppy? Which
>>> isn't good since PHP is written in C, not PHP. :)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I just gave it a go. Installed from port just fine on 6.2.
>> Stupid question, but have you tried a portsnap?
>>
>
> I've been brushing up on my C lately. (btw, O'Reilly's C Pocket  
> Reference is really good.)
> So, Mark's pointer question got me curious and I thought I'd look it  
> up.
> It seems easy enough to determine.
> Assuming we're in /usr/ports/devel/php5-spl
> After you've at least attempted to install the port once, you should  
> have a directory called work.
> # find work -type f -exec grep -Hn spl_globals {} \;
>
> Which indicates as I might have suspected, the answer is in php_spl.h
>
> I think the following lines indicate that spl_globals is a pointer  
> variable of type zend_spl_globals which would appear to be a pointer  
> to a structure but I can't find where zend_spl_globals is  
> implemented. It seems to not be in these source files.
>
> #ifdef ZTS
> # define SPL_G(v) TSRMG(spl_globals_id, zend_spl_globals *, v)
> extern int spl_globals_id;
> #else
> # define SPL_G(v) (spl_globals.v)
> extern zend_spl_globals spl_globals;
> #endif
>
>
> I don't understand preprocessing though. So, I'm not sure exactly  
> what the # define lines mean or how they work. (Coming up to that  
> part).
> Only thing I ever used those for were including standard headers.
>
>
>
>

I actually couldn't find the lines causing the errors at first due to  
vim line folding that was enabled by default somehow.

Also, yes I did portsnap before attemping my 3rd time.

Sorry for the late reply I just got 20+ messages from nycbug in one  
shot, apparently my favorite exchange server here at the office is up  
to it's old tricks again....

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From trish at bsdunix.net  Wed Mar 26 10:13:55 2008
From: trish at bsdunix.net (=?utf-8?B?U2lvYmhhbiBQYXRyaWNpYSBMeW5jaA==?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:13:55 +0000
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I've been out of the loop - what happened to DN?
-- 
Siobhan Patricia Lynch


-----Original Message-----
From: George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:03:06 
To:Mikel King <mikel.king at olivent.com>
Cc:talk at lists.nycbug.org
Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] volunteers to help with Daemon News


Mikel King wrote:
> I am looking for a couple of volunteers to assist with the data recovery
> for DN. This work will require some light HTML skills.
>

I *strongly* encourage people to reply.

We have a large number of people in NYCBUG who take active roles in the
community. . . and for those looking to do so, revitalizing DN is the way.

A strong DN is compulsory for keeping a good general site for BSD news
and documentation. . . and besides, Ivan is waiting to post his review
of Dru's FBSD Basics Book :)

George
_______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nycbug.org
http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

From brandonpalmer at gmail.com  Wed Mar 26 11:22:32 2008
From: brandonpalmer at gmail.com (Brandon Palmer)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:22:32 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] volunteers to help with Daemon News
In-Reply-To: <6502D4AD-7093-4D50-B8B5-4E230AEF5E80@olivent.com>
References: <6502D4AD-7093-4D50-B8B5-4E230AEF5E80@olivent.com>
Message-ID: <7a4936360803260822x33601d30o9df64ccc2b51f266@mail.gmail.com>

Sure,  I'm in as well,  but would like to know a little more about
what is needed.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Mikel King <mikel.king at olivent.com> wrote:
>  I am looking for a couple of volunteers to assist with the data recovery
> for DN. This work will require some light HTML skills.
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Mikel King
> CEO, Olivent Technologies
> Senior Editor, Daemon News
> 6 Alpine Court
> Medford, NY 11763
> http://www.olivent.com
> http://www.daemonnews.org
> skype: mikel.king
> +------------------------------------------+
> Do You know where your towel is?
> +------------------------------------------+
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From robin.polak at gmail.com  Wed Mar 26 12:50:55 2008
From: robin.polak at gmail.com (Robin Polak)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:50:55 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] volunteers to help with Daemon News
In-Reply-To: <6502D4AD-7093-4D50-B8B5-4E230AEF5E80@olivent.com>
References: <6502D4AD-7093-4D50-B8B5-4E230AEF5E80@olivent.com>
Message-ID: <551868240803260950w7e66cc12t8d8cf95567c41f3c@mail.gmail.com>

I'm willing to help out.  Let me know what I can do.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Mikel King <mikel.king at olivent.com> wrote:

> I am looking for a couple of volunteers to assist with the data recovery
> for DN. This work will require some light HTML skills.
>
> Cheers,
> Mikel King
> CEO, Olivent Technologies
> Senior Editor, Daemon News
> 6 Alpine Court
> Medford, NY 11763
> http://www.olivent.com
> http://www.daemonnews.org
> skype: mikel.king
> +------------------------------------------+
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> +------------------------------------------+
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca  Wed Mar 26 15:50:59 2008
From: dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca (Dru)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:50:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Ivan's review
In-Reply-To: <89ce7f740803260826v7fb17cbes1051b5154033bac1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6502D4AD-7093-4D50-B8B5-4E230AEF5E80@olivent.com> 
	<47EA579A.30404@ceetonetechnology.com>
	<20080326102358.L646@dru.domain.org>
	<89ce7f740803260826v7fb17cbes1051b5154033bac1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080326154948.A646@dru.domain.org>


The English version of Ivan's review has a home here until Daemonnews is 
back up:

http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/unix/bsd/archives/review-of-the-best-of-freebsd-basics-23346

Cheers,

Dru


From greg at ltcc.com  Wed Mar 26 17:14:14 2008
From: greg at ltcc.com (Greg Robinson)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:14:14 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] SSLRequireSSL directive | httpd-Vhosts.conf
Message-ID: <20080326211414.FXLP20696.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@FtMason>

Any one out there have SSLRequireSSL apache directive working as documented
- where the objective is to have the directory in question only serve port
443 and not serve port 80 requests? 

 

Warmest Regards,

Greg

 

 

 

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From mikel.king at olivent.com  Wed Mar 26 18:06:11 2008
From: mikel.king at olivent.com (Mikel King)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:06:11 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] volunteers to help with Daemon News
In-Reply-To: <666281015-1206540845-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-143374521-@bxe134.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <6502D4AD-7093-4D50-B8B5-4E230AEF5E80@olivent.com><47EA579A.30404@ceetonetechnology.com>
	<666281015-1206540845-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-143374521-@bxe134.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <9FD2B13B-1BA4-46BE-8129-60FC5679E160@olivent.com>

It is a long and sorted story, one that can only be properly conveyed  
over ice cold ale...

Suffice to say the main system went down, and failed to properly  
return. Subsequently the hardware manager has been trying to restore  
from the backup however that is over a slow DSL line and last time I  
looked well over 20GB.

I have a couple of ideas, but will need some extra hands to divvy the  
work, thus the call out for volunteers. I have created and subscribed  
all who have offered their assistance to a private mailing list where  
we can discuss this further and not pollute the talk list.

m

On Mar 26, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Siobhan Patricia Lynch wrote:

> I've been out of the loop - what happened to DN?
> -- 
> Siobhan Patricia Lynch
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com>
>
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:03:06
> To:Mikel King <mikel.king at olivent.com>
> Cc:talk at lists.nycbug.org
> Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] volunteers to help with Daemon News
>
>
> Mikel King wrote:
>> I am looking for a couple of volunteers to assist with the data  
>> recovery
>> for DN. This work will require some light HTML skills.
>>
>
> I *strongly* encourage people to reply.
>
> We have a large number of people in NYCBUG who take active roles in  
> the
> community. . . and for those looking to do so, revitalizing DN is  
> the way.
>
> A strong DN is compulsory for keeping a good general site for BSD news
> and documentation. . . and besides, Ivan is waiting to post his review
> of Dru's FBSD Basics Book :)
>
> George
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Thu Mar 27 12:43:14 2008
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:43:14 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] MS Marketing & Open Source
Message-ID: <47EBCEA2.7000508@ceetonetechnology.com>

This is kind of funny. . .

http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/heroes/default.mspx

The first NYCBUG member who makes it up gets to be the first expelled!

:)

George


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Thu Mar 27 12:51:46 2008
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:51:46 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] SSLRequireSSL directive | httpd-Vhosts.conf
In-Reply-To: <20080326211414.FXLP20696.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@FtMason>
References: <20080326211414.FXLP20696.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@FtMason>
Message-ID: <b76252690803270951m3ec63a1bm1a1053e3068ce2b2@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Greg Robinson <greg at ltcc.com> wrote:

> Any one out there have SSLRequireSSL apache directive working as documented
> ? where the objective is to have the directory in question only serve port
> 443 and not serve port 80 requests?
>

Yes. It returns 403 Forbidden if you try to access anything in the
directory using HTTP, rather than HTTPS.

Apache/2.2.3, mod_ssl/2.2.3... perhaps it is broken in newer versions?


-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/

From okan at demirmen.com  Thu Mar 27 15:08:37 2008
From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:08:37 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] MS Marketing & Open Source
In-Reply-To: <47EBCEA2.7000508@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <47EBCEA2.7000508@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <20080327190837.GU313@clam.khaoz.org>

On Thu 2008.03.27 at 12:43 -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
> This is kind of funny. . .
> 
> http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/heroes/default.mspx
> 
> The first NYCBUG member who makes it up gets to be the first expelled!
> 
> :)
> 
> George

no one commenting publicly? i will - this is poor taste, in my not-so
humble opinion.


From trish at bsdunix.net  Thu Mar 27 15:22:52 2008
From: trish at bsdunix.net (=?utf-8?B?U2lvYmhhbiBQYXRyaWNpYSBMeW5jaA==?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:22:52 +0000
Subject: [nycbug-talk] MS Marketing & Open Source
In-Reply-To: <20080327190837.GU313@clam.khaoz.org>
References: <47EBCEA2.7000508@ceetonetechnology.com><20080327190837.GU313@clam.khaoz.org>
Message-ID: <1597900187-1206645783-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2065228587-@bxe134.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I did reply publically - it just got blocked going through.

Can you approve my post George? *grin*

-Trish
-- 
Siobhan Patricia Lynch


-----Original Message-----
From: Okan Demirmen <okan at demirmen.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:08:37 
To:talk at lists.nycbug.org
Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] MS Marketing & Open Source


On Thu 2008.03.27 at 12:43 -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
> This is kind of funny. . .
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/heroes/default.mspx
>
> The first NYCBUG member who makes it up gets to be the first expelled!
>
> :)
>
> George

no one commenting publicly? i will - this is poor taste, in my not-so
humble opinion.
_______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nycbug.org
http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


From trish at bsdunix.net  Thu Mar 27 16:57:19 2008
From: trish at bsdunix.net (Siobhan Patricia Lynch)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:57:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] MS MArketing and Open Source
Message-ID: <20080327155636.P10084@daemon.bsdunix.net>

(this DIDN'T go through)


Interesting challenge, should I attempt it?

*grin* I am already halfway to the Dark Side by working with OpenSolaris and 
with SUn these days.

-Trish



On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, George Rosamond wrote:

> This is kind of funny. . .
> 
> http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/heroes/default.mspx
> 
> The first NYCBUG member who makes it up gets to be the first expelled!
> 
> :)
> 
> George
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

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From lists at zaunere.com  Thu Mar 27 17:06:14 2008
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:06:14 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] MS MArketing and Open Source
In-Reply-To: <20080327155636.P10084@daemon.bsdunix.net>
References: <20080327155636.P10084@daemon.bsdunix.net>
Message-ID: <004101c8904e$651ff0a0$2f5fd1e0$@com>

> *grin* I am already halfway to the Dark Side by working with
> OpenSolaris and with SUn these days.

That's nothing - I'm in Redmond all this week.

H




From krook at us.ibm.com  Thu Mar 27 18:32:00 2008
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:32:00 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] MS MArketing and Open Source
In-Reply-To: <004101c8904e$651ff0a0$2f5fd1e0$@com>
Message-ID: <OFC2508A64.A85F7EEA-ON85257419.007B9824-85257419.007BB814@us.ibm.com>

> > *grin* I am already halfway to the Dark Side by working with
> > OpenSolaris and with SUn these days.
> 
> That's nothing - I'm in Redmond all this week.
> 
> H

Aha! No wonder you were so secretive about bagging on NYPHP this week.


From brandonpalmer at gmail.com  Thu Mar 27 20:01:56 2008
From: brandonpalmer at gmail.com (Brandon Palmer)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:01:56 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] MS MArketing and Open Source
In-Reply-To: <20080327155636.P10084@daemon.bsdunix.net>
References: <20080327155636.P10084@daemon.bsdunix.net>
Message-ID: <7a4936360803271701y323c32daqc89d62f2b3005914@mail.gmail.com>

Ya know,  scary,  but they all even LOOK like they work for MS....
Just don't look like your normal opensource developer type...

>  On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, George Rosamond wrote:
>
>  > This is kind of funny. . .
>  >
>  > http://www.microsoft.com/opensource/heroes/default.mspx
>  >
>  > The first NYCBUG member who makes it up gets to be the first expelled!
>  >
>  > :)
>  >
>  > George
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > talk mailing list
>  > talk at lists.nycbug.org
>  > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>  >


From carton at Ivy.NET  Fri Mar 28 11:36:27 2008
From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:36:27 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] MS MArketing and Open Source
In-Reply-To: <7a4936360803271701y323c32daqc89d62f2b3005914@mail.gmail.com>
	(Brandon Palmer's message of "Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:01:56 -0400")
References: <20080327155636.P10084@daemon.bsdunix.net>
	<7a4936360803271701y323c32daqc89d62f2b3005914@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <oq8x02lv2c.fsf@castrovalva.Ivy.NET>

>>>>> "bp" == Brandon Palmer <brandonpalmer at gmail.com> writes:

    bp> they all even LOOK like they work for MS....

haha yeah what a bunch of Dorks.

    bp> Just don't look like your normal opensource developer
    bp> type...

hah ha,...wait.  is this a good thing or a bad thing?
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From mspitzer at gmail.com  Sun Mar 30 00:06:52 2008
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:06:52 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] This is off topic but oddly appropriate
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30803292106i745aef00y70daf6a36c74439d@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.oneplusyou.com/q/v/caffeine

-- 
Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
Albert Camus


From george at galis.org  Sun Mar 30 12:12:30 2008
From: george at galis.org (George Georgalis)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:12:30 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] This is off topic but oddly appropriate
In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30803292106i745aef00y70daf6a36c74439d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c50a3c30803292106i745aef00y70daf6a36c74439d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080330161230.GN27283@run.duo>

You clicked 248 times in 30 seconds.
Your caffeine level for today is:

Near Death - Delusions of Godlike power



first try... sheeze, the kalua in coffee helps focus the
energy, I think

// George


On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 12:06:52AM -0400, Marc Spitzer wrote:
>http://www.oneplusyou.com/q/v/caffeine
>
>-- 
>Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
>Albert Camus
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at lists.nycbug.org
>http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

-- 
George Georgalis, information system scientist <IXOYE><


From kldunload at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 14:21:11 2008
From: kldunload at yahoo.com (Thomas Backman)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:21:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] talk Digest, Vol 52, Issue 19
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1206892806.27577.talk@lists.nycbug.org>
Message-ID: <267615.21709.qm@web45601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

--- talk-request at lists.nycbug.org wrote:

> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:06:52 -0400
> From: "Marc Spitzer" <mspitzer at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nycbug-talk] This is off topic but oddly
> appropriate
> To: "talk at lists.nycbug.org" <talk at lists.nycbug.org>
> Message-ID:
> 
>
<8c50a3c30803292106i745aef00y70daf6a36c74439d at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> http://www.oneplusyou.com/q/v/caffeine
> 
> -- 

I got "Spastic, Nervous", which seems to be
appropriate.

- Thomas Backman

P.S.  I finally got my copy of Dru's new book "The
Best of FreeBSD Basics" from Amazon last week.




Thomas Backman
Software Developer/Analyst
kldunload at yahoo.com


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