From mark.saad at ymail.com  Wed Aug  1 15:58:07 2012
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:58:07 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Random Server name generator
Message-ID: <CAMXt9Nays47o=+7q3h2w-HaQWY2bdbjvLBvVPWV+pYaCSXU5BQ@mail.gmail.com>

All
  I wanted to share a bit of silly unix fun , here is how I pick new
server hostnames.

/usr/games/random -f /usr/share/dict/web2 | head -n 1

An old topic but always a relevant one, how do you name your servers ,
with logical names nybetaweb02 or
memorable ones like "terraefilial"


-- 

Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com


From marcus.james at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 16:06:57 2012
From: marcus.james at gmail.com (James Marcus)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:06:57 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Random Server name generator
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9Nays47o=+7q3h2w-HaQWY2bdbjvLBvVPWV+pYaCSXU5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9Nays47o=+7q3h2w-HaQWY2bdbjvLBvVPWV+pYaCSXU5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM54t=aF_=-Nr24bnXgSmA0ZdmNpDLgQbEHWVC0DXNQ8McSfpA@mail.gmail.com>

My two favorite naming conventions:

http://www.yaelf.com/toe.shtml

http://www.theweedblog.com/list-of-marijuana-slang-terms/

James

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Mark Saad <mark.saad at ymail.com> wrote:
> All
>   I wanted to share a bit of silly unix fun , here is how I pick new
> server hostnames.
>
> /usr/games/random -f /usr/share/dict/web2 | head -n 1
>
> An old topic but always a relevant one, how do you name your servers ,
> with logical names nybetaweb02 or
> memorable ones like "terraefilial"
>
>
> --
>
> Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


From bonsaime at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 20:15:25 2012
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 20:15:25 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Random Server name generator
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9Nays47o=+7q3h2w-HaQWY2bdbjvLBvVPWV+pYaCSXU5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9Nays47o=+7q3h2w-HaQWY2bdbjvLBvVPWV+pYaCSXU5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJU5ZBM2EY_n0dKQhpSqZ-zYYuDA8tw=_HLbG4wJ+74fj3ntUg@mail.gmail.com>

I go with randomish names for the canonical host name. Then I add service
aliases to them which can float around via CNAMEs.
On Aug 1, 2012 4:00 PM, "Mark Saad" <mark.saad at ymail.com> wrote:

> All
>   I wanted to share a bit of silly unix fun , here is how I pick new
> server hostnames.
>
> /usr/games/random -f /usr/share/dict/web2 | head -n 1
>
> An old topic but always a relevant one, how do you name your servers ,
> with logical names nybetaweb02 or
> memorable ones like "terraefilial"
>
>
> --
>
> Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Thu Aug  2 10:49:26 2012
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:49:26 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Random Server name generator
In-Reply-To: <CAJU5ZBM2EY_n0dKQhpSqZ-zYYuDA8tw=_HLbG4wJ+74fj3ntUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9Nays47o=+7q3h2w-HaQWY2bdbjvLBvVPWV+pYaCSXU5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJU5ZBM2EY_n0dKQhpSqZ-zYYuDA8tw=_HLbG4wJ+74fj3ntUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPKKYS3TmqPZw-neJBSZ9rUuvv=jyb_uqODsNRT-dbguV1r6vA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Jesse Callaway <bonsaime at gmail.com> wrote:
> I go with randomish names for the canonical host name. Then I add service
> aliases to them which can float around via CNAMEs.

Same. Except I like to use street names for the canonical hosts. Maybe
I've been on one too many Ikea junkets - they name their products by
dropping pins on a map of Sweden.

Anyway, this approach works out well if you're using SSL Certs with
Subject Alt Names. CNAME == Alt Name.


From mikel.king at olivent.com  Thu Aug  2 11:17:12 2012
From: mikel.king at olivent.com (Mikel King)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:17:12 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Random Server name generator
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9Nays47o=+7q3h2w-HaQWY2bdbjvLBvVPWV+pYaCSXU5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9Nays47o=+7q3h2w-HaQWY2bdbjvLBvVPWV+pYaCSXU5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A66C1BA2-721D-4B51-86BB-9366EB493100@olivent.com>


On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Mark Saad wrote:

> All
>  I wanted to share a bit of silly unix fun , here is how I pick new
> server hostnames.
> 
> /usr/games/random -f /usr/share/dict/web2 | head -n 1
> 
> An old topic but always a relevant one, how do you name your servers ,
> with logical names nybetaweb02 or
> memorable ones like "terraefilial"
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com

I always tend toward the memorable names with relevant CNAMES for the services which make it easier to move services around as needed. 

Regarding memorable names I've used cartoon characters, Greek, Egyptian, & Norse mythologies, as well as characters from Star Trek, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactic and the entire 20+K years history of Dune. Honestly there' is nothing better than having a client call up saying that "Wilma is down" or "Nobody can connect to Ziodberg."

Cheers,
m





From edlinuxguru at gmail.com  Thu Aug  2 11:40:20 2012
From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:40:20 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Random Server name generator
In-Reply-To: <A66C1BA2-721D-4B51-86BB-9366EB493100@olivent.com>
References: <CAMXt9Nays47o=+7q3h2w-HaQWY2bdbjvLBvVPWV+pYaCSXU5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <A66C1BA2-721D-4B51-86BB-9366EB493100@olivent.com>
Message-ID: <CAENxBwyGmChE484wpKH3HnRcT2vbc26Uk97C=U1x3wWQZk_uEQ@mail.gmail.com>

I use passwords stolen from linked-in and yahoo.

Nagios alert: l3tm31n.site.com HTTP down

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Mikel King <mikel.king at olivent.com> wrote:
>
> On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Mark Saad wrote:
>
>> All
>>  I wanted to share a bit of silly unix fun , here is how I pick new
>> server hostnames.
>>
>> /usr/games/random -f /usr/share/dict/web2 | head -n 1
>>
>> An old topic but always a relevant one, how do you name your servers ,
>> with logical names nybetaweb02 or
>> memorable ones like "terraefilial"
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com
>
> I always tend toward the memorable names with relevant CNAMES for the services which make it easier to move services around as needed.
>
> Regarding memorable names I've used cartoon characters, Greek, Egyptian, & Norse mythologies, as well as characters from Star Trek, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactic and the entire 20+K years history of Dune. Honestly there' is nothing better than having a client call up saying that "Wilma is down" or "Nobody can connect to Ziodberg."
>
> Cheers,
> m
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From nikolai at fetissov.org  Thu Aug  2 11:43:05 2012
From: nikolai at fetissov.org (Nikolai Fetissov)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 11:43:05 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] August 2012 meeting audio
Message-ID: <85aef8e1da5f716005bbda1ac19f069a.squirrel@geekisp.com>

Folks,

Audio of Henry Mendez talk on NAS is online at:
http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/nycbug-08-01-12.mp3

Cheers,
--
 Nikolai



From siraaj at khandkar.net  Thu Aug  2 12:43:31 2012
From: siraaj at khandkar.net (Siraaj Khandkar)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:43:31 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Random Server name generator
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9Nays47o=+7q3h2w-HaQWY2bdbjvLBvVPWV+pYaCSXU5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9Nays47o=+7q3h2w-HaQWY2bdbjvLBvVPWV+pYaCSXU5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EBA4E9EA-238E-41C0-81D3-6EFEFA1CCFBD@khandkar.net>

On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Mark Saad wrote:

> All
>  I wanted to share a bit of silly unix fun , here is how I pick new
> server hostnames.
> 
> /usr/games/random -f /usr/share/dict/web2 | head -n 1

Hah! This is an awesome idea for a web service! :)


> An old topic but always a relevant one, how do you name your servers,
> with logical names nybetaweb02 or
> memorable ones like "terraefilial"

I'm a big believer in the O'Reilly style naming (though not necessarily
animalistic) - I stare at the machine really hard and try to visualize what it
(even vaguely) reminds me of, so I end-up with pretty personalized and
endearing names. I've named my last three workstations:

- "storm" (it reminded me of a Strom Trooper)
- "beamer" (looked like BMW Z4 and I also do a lot of Erlang programming, who's VM is called BEAM)
- "alamo" (because it is square and all black)

For servers that all look the same and have identical roles - same procedure
plus they get sequential IDs appended, if they look the same but have different
(but still cooperative) roles - then they get two (or more) part names, first
part is something inanimate that it looks like, second part is a name of some
character (mostly from Star Wars) that performs a vaguely similar role:

- "kamino-lamasu" (virtualization host) http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lama_Su
- "kamino-jocastanu" (file server) http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jocasta_Nu



"There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things."
-- Phil Karlton


-- 
Siraaj Khandkar
.o.
..o
ooo




From pete at nomadlogic.org  Thu Aug  2 13:27:39 2012
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 10:27:39 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Random Server name generator
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9Nays47o=+7q3h2w-HaQWY2bdbjvLBvVPWV+pYaCSXU5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9Nays47o=+7q3h2w-HaQWY2bdbjvLBvVPWV+pYaCSXU5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120802172737.GB90216@arp.nomadlogic.org>

On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 03:58:07PM -0400, Mark Saad wrote:
> All
>   I wanted to share a bit of silly unix fun , here is how I pick new
> server hostnames.
> 
> /usr/games/random -f /usr/share/dict/web2 | head -n 1
> 
> An old topic but always a relevant one, how do you name your servers ,
> with logical names nybetaweb02 or
> memorable ones like "terraefilial"
> 
> 

for personal servers where i don't care about scalability i use
surfbreaks around my home in socal.  i guess the good bit about that is
it has caused me to keep less and less random servers laying around b/c
i'm running out of unique names ;P

for work i've used a couple of schemes.  my theory is that each host
should have an immutable FQDN that references the server hardware type
and revision.  then i will create a CNAME entry pointing to that server
to reflect what service it provides.  this way we can learn not only
what service a particulare network node provides, but by looking at its
FQDN we can learn what type of hardware we are running on.

so...the last time i did this i used the periodic table of elements b/c
i wanted to brush up on my chemistry, and it provided an external
logical structure that i could utilize as well.  so starting with the
second period on the table (Li, Be, Ne - only elements with two
character abbreviations were used) I assigned our lowest class hardware.
in this case Dell R200 series: 
r200 with low memory == lixxxx.POP.DOMAIN.COM
r200 with high memory == bexxxx.POP.DOMAIN.COM
and so on until my R900 class machines ended up using the Actinides
(which is sorta period 9 on the table).

I found it to work pretty good - there were def some issues since we
had a really heterogeneous hardware platform (we had like seriously 8
different hardware revs of the r400 class hardware iirc).  but i still
thought the idea was valid.  I reckon you could use any naming scheme
you want, one time I used bird names or even internal codes that mean
something to you company would work.  for me the big win is having that 
immutable FQDN, aside from making life easier when trying to figure out
"how much RAM does that vanish node which is acting up have again?" - it
should also make inventory management easier as well...

-pete

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
twitter => @nomadlogicLA


From matthewstory at gmail.com  Thu Aug  2 14:50:02 2012
From: matthewstory at gmail.com (Matthew Story)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:50:02 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] die_you_gravy_sucking_pig_dog (Was freebsd-bugs: Fwd:
 bin/169127: commit references a PR)
Message-ID: <CAB+9ogcQ8p=Dr7rAv88XTWXdnRRC=XrFFuaR8_2TX3EC4sv=5A@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: dfilter service <dfilter at freebsd.org>
Date: Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: bin/169127: commit references a PR
To: freebsd-bugs at freebsd.org


The following reply was made to PR bin/169127; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: dfilter at FreeBSD.ORG (dfilter service)
To: bug-followup at FreeBSD.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: bin/169127: commit references a PR
Date: Wed,  1 Aug 2012 09:10:33 +0000 (UTC)

 Author: des
 Date: Wed Aug  1 09:10:21 2012
 New Revision: 238968
 URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/238968

 Log:
   Restore a piece of BSD history.

   PR:          169127
   Submitted by:        Ruben de Groot <ruben at hacktor.com>
   MFC after:   1 week

 Modified:
   head/sbin/shutdown/shutdown.c

 Modified: head/sbin/shutdown/shutdown.c
 ==============================================================================
 --- head/sbin/shutdown/shutdown.c      Wed Aug  1 09:00:26 2012
 (r238967)
 +++ head/sbin/shutdown/shutdown.c      Wed Aug  1 09:10:21 2012
 (r238968)
 @@ -93,7 +93,7 @@ static char mbuf[BUFSIZ];
  static const char *nosync, *whom;

  static void badtime(void);
 -static void perform_shutdown(void);
 +static void die_you_gravy_sucking_pig_dog(void);
  static void finish(int);
  static void getoffset(char *);
  static void loop(void);
 @@ -282,7 +282,7 @@ loop(void)
                if (!tp->timeleft)
                        break;
        }
 -      perform_shutdown();
 +      die_you_gravy_sucking_pig_dog();
  }

  static jmp_buf alarmbuf;
 @@ -349,7 +349,7 @@ timeout(int signo __unused)
  }

  static void
 -perform_shutdown(void)
 +die_you_gravy_sucking_pig_dog(void)
  {
        char *empty_environ[] = { NULL };

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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Mon Aug  6 14:37:38 2012
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:37:38 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NAS device
Message-ID: <50200EF2.90902@ceetonetechnology.com>

I'm looking for a few small devices to run FreeNAS.  Cheap grey-box type
stuff.  Cubish in form-factor with 2-4 SATA drives.

Probably just going UFS, so a lot or expandable RAM not necessary.

Preferably something that doesn't produce a lot of heat.

Recommendations?

g


From nycbug at wynn.com  Mon Aug  6 16:28:31 2012
From: nycbug at wynn.com (nycbug at wynn.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:28:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NAS device (fwd)
Message-ID: <201208062028.q76KSVq9057743@mail.wynn.com>


Greeting-

I strongly suggest a box with at least 4GB of ram so you can run ZFS well.  
Kirk may be a long time friend, but if you have 4GB of ram I have to say ZFS
is the way to go!

I have been using some small boxes from http://www.lannerinc.com/ for firewalls
and routers with great success.  They run FreeBSD just fine and I am sure
they will run Net, Open, or Dragonfly if you prefer.

Do not contact the United States office.  They are useless and never return
calls or email.  Contact the office in Toronato, Canada.  They are very fast
to respond and very helpful.

-Brett


From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Wed Aug  8 13:08:29 2012
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:08:29 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] tmux(1) audio up,
	Was:  Can anybody record the meeting tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <C3ECC957-0B05-4383-AB74-405BFE01E5D4@fetissov.org>
References: <0F82681C-ED31-4FAF-B0B9-DF4B07BCFF31@fetissov.org>
 <1342038303-7670138.15635498.fq6BKOSJJ019512@rs139.luxsci.com>
 <C3ECC957-0B05-4383-AB74-405BFE01E5D4@fetissov.org>
Message-ID: <1344445744-7857979.00434397.fq78H8TqO012729@rs139.luxsci.com>

Hi Nikolai, All,

Got the tmux(1) talk off my phone, my apologies for the delay:
http://blackskyresearch.net/nycbug/nycbug20120711tmux.mp3

Nikolai, of course, has the archive of recordings here:
http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/

Best,
.ike



On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Nikolai Fetissov wrote:

> Hey Ike, did you record the thing?
> 
> 
> On Jul 11, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Isaac Levy <ike at blackskyresearch.net> wrote:
> 
>> I'll record it no problem- feel better man!
>> 
>> --
>> sorry to top-post, sent from my handheld
>> 
>> On Jul 10, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Nikolai Fetissov <nikolai at fetissov.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Folks,
>>> 
>>> I'm sick and will have to miss tomorrow's meeting. Too bad since I am a tmux(1) fan.
>>> If anybody can pick up audio recording tomorrow I would greatly appreciate it.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> --
>>> Nikolai
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> talk mailing list
>>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>> 
> 




From ericshane at eradman.com  Thu Aug  9 08:39:06 2012
From: ericshane at eradman.com (Eric Radman)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 07:39:06 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] tmux(1) audio up,
 Was:  Can anybody record the meeting tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <1344445744-7857979.00434397.fq78H8TqO012729@rs139.luxsci.com>
References: <0F82681C-ED31-4FAF-B0B9-DF4B07BCFF31@fetissov.org>
 <1342038303-7670138.15635498.fq6BKOSJJ019512@rs139.luxsci.com>
 <C3ECC957-0B05-4383-AB74-405BFE01E5D4@fetissov.org>
 <1344445744-7857979.00434397.fq78H8TqO012729@rs139.luxsci.com>
Message-ID: <20120809123906.GA21237@SDF.ORG>

On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 01:08:29PM -0400, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote:
> Hi Nikolai, All,
> 
> Got the tmux(1) talk off my phone, my apologies for the delay:
> http://blackskyresearch.net/nycbug/nycbug20120711tmux.mp3

Good talk. I didn't realize that screen required setuid. Yuck

One comment: you can share a tmux session with other users, in fact it's
easy.

tmux -S /tmp/XYZ
chown :users /tmp/XYZ

Then anyone in the 'users' group can connect using

tmux -S /tmp/XYZ attach

- ESR


From jschauma at netmeister.org  Thu Aug  9 13:22:28 2012
From: jschauma at netmeister.org (Jan Schaumann)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:22:28 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] tmux(1) audio up,
	Was:  Can anybody record the	meeting tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <20120809123906.GA21237@SDF.ORG>
References: <0F82681C-ED31-4FAF-B0B9-DF4B07BCFF31@fetissov.org>
 <1342038303-7670138.15635498.fq6BKOSJJ019512@rs139.luxsci.com>
 <C3ECC957-0B05-4383-AB74-405BFE01E5D4@fetissov.org>
 <1344445744-7857979.00434397.fq78H8TqO012729@rs139.luxsci.com>
 <20120809123906.GA21237@SDF.ORG>
Message-ID: <20120809172228.GC459@netmeister.org>

Eric Radman <ericshane at eradman.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 01:08:29PM -0400, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote:
> > Hi Nikolai, All,
> > 
> > Got the tmux(1) talk off my phone, my apologies for the delay:
> > http://blackskyresearch.net/nycbug/nycbug20120711tmux.mp3
> 
> Good talk. I didn't realize that screen required setuid. Yuck

It does so only for session sharing.  If you don't need that feature,
then you can install screen without setuid.

> - ESR

Haha, almost had me do a double-take there.

-Jan
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From nikolai at fetissov.org  Thu Aug  9 17:52:34 2012
From: nikolai at fetissov.org (Nikolai Fetissov)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 17:52:34 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] tmux(1) audio up,
 Was:  Can anybody record the meeting tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <1344445744-7857979.00434397.fq78H8TqO012729@rs139.luxsci.com>
References: <0F82681C-ED31-4FAF-B0B9-DF4B07BCFF31@fetissov.org>
 <1342038303-7670138.15635498.fq6BKOSJJ019512@rs139.luxsci.com>
 <C3ECC957-0B05-4383-AB74-405BFE01E5D4@fetissov.org>
 <1344445744-7857979.00434397.fq78H8TqO012729@rs139.luxsci.com>
Message-ID: <d08751317490bea6ac576b960fd2291d.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>

> Hi Nikolai, All,
>
> Got the tmux(1) talk off my phone, my apologies for the delay:
> http://blackskyresearch.net/nycbug/nycbug20120711tmux.mp3
>
> Nikolai, of course, has the archive of recordings here:
> http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/
>
> Best,
> .ike
>

Thanks Ike. Re-posted here:
http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/nycbug-07-11-12.mp3

Cheers,
--
 Nikolai

>
>
> On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Nikolai Fetissov wrote:
>
>> Hey Ike, did you record the thing?
>>
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Isaac Levy <ike at blackskyresearch.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll record it no problem- feel better man!
>>>
>>> --
>>> sorry to top-post, sent from my handheld
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Nikolai Fetissov <nikolai at fetissov.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sick and will have to miss tomorrow's meeting. Too bad since I am
>>>> a tmux(1) fan.
>>>> If anybody can pick up audio recording tomorrow I would greatly
>>>> appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> --
>>>> Nikolai
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> talk mailing list
>>>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>>>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>>
>>
>
>



From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Thu Aug  9 17:57:22 2012
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 17:57:22 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] tmux(1) audio up,
	Was:  Can anybody record the meeting tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <d08751317490bea6ac576b960fd2291d.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
References: <0F82681C-ED31-4FAF-B0B9-DF4B07BCFF31@fetissov.org>
 <1342038303-7670138.15635498.fq6BKOSJJ019512@rs139.luxsci.com>
 <C3ECC957-0B05-4383-AB74-405BFE01E5D4@fetissov.org>
 <1344445744-7857979.00434397.fq78H8TqO012729@rs139.luxsci.com>
 <d08751317490bea6ac576b960fd2291d.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
Message-ID: <1344549483-1221228.19005689.fq79LvNWM002298@rs139.luxsci.com>

On Aug 9, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Nikolai Fetissov wrote:

>> Hi Nikolai, All,
>> 
>> Got the tmux(1) talk off my phone, my apologies for the delay:
>> http://blackskyresearch.net/nycbug/nycbug20120711tmux.mp3
>> 
>> Nikolai, of course, has the archive of recordings here:
>> http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/
>> 
>> Best,
>> .ike
>> 
> 
> Thanks Ike. Re-posted here:
> http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/nycbug-07-11-12.mp3

Sweet, that's definitely the canonical source for NYC*BUG audio recordings.

Thanks Nikolai!

Best,
.ike



> 
> Cheers,
> --
> Nikolai
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Nikolai Fetissov wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Ike, did you record the thing?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 11, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Isaac Levy <ike at blackskyresearch.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'll record it no problem- feel better man!
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> sorry to top-post, sent from my handheld
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Nikolai Fetissov <nikolai at fetissov.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm sick and will have to miss tomorrow's meeting. Too bad since I am
>>>>> a tmux(1) fan.
>>>>> If anybody can pick up audio recording tomorrow I would greatly
>>>>> appreciate it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> --
>>>>> Nikolai
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> talk mailing list
>>>>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>>>>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 



From zippy1981 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 10 07:23:59 2012
From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:23:59 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Microsoft Hyper-V adds FreeBSD support
Message-ID: <CABsCM1OQBewwYw7iFfaO62Z6VNkeU=S9CgfMozUqD-7LL9kufQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://blogs.technet.com/b/openness/archive/2012/08/09/available-today-freebsd-support-for-windows-server-hyper-v.aspx

I'm excited about this because Hyper-V is included in Windows-8 so I'm
seriously thinking if doing that instead of VirtualPC on my laptop.

Justin
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From jhb at FreeBSD.org  Fri Aug 10 10:13:09 2012
From: jhb at FreeBSD.org (John Baldwin)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:13:09 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Microsoft Hyper-V adds FreeBSD support
In-Reply-To: <CABsCM1OQBewwYw7iFfaO62Z6VNkeU=S9CgfMozUqD-7LL9kufQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABsCM1OQBewwYw7iFfaO62Z6VNkeU=S9CgfMozUqD-7LL9kufQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <502516F5.7020004@FreeBSD.org>

On 8/10/12 7:23 AM, Justin Dearing wrote:
> http://blogs.technet.com/b/openness/archive/2012/08/09/available-today-freebsd-support-for-windows-server-hyper-v.aspx
> 
> I'm excited about this because Hyper-V is included in Windows-8 so I'm
> seriously thinking if doing that instead of VirtualPC on my laptop.

Ah, neat to see that announced.  I've met a few of the folks from
Microsoft working on this at BSDCan and they are generally nice folks
and legitimately interested in supporting FreeBSD properly.

-- 
John Baldwin


From akosela at andykosela.com  Fri Aug 10 12:08:35 2012
From: akosela at andykosela.com (Andy Kosela)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:08:35 +0200
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Microsoft Hyper-V adds FreeBSD support
In-Reply-To: <502516F5.7020004@FreeBSD.org>
References: <CABsCM1OQBewwYw7iFfaO62Z6VNkeU=S9CgfMozUqD-7LL9kufQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <502516F5.7020004@FreeBSD.org>
Message-ID: <CALMnNGiBtFzVxDF49_OecpFCtvqmJ4-SF7AR8Vtq4egke6SxOw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:13 PM, John Baldwin <jhb at freebsd.org> wrote:
> On 8/10/12 7:23 AM, Justin Dearing wrote:
>> http://blogs.technet.com/b/openness/archive/2012/08/09/available-today-freebsd-support-for-windows-server-hyper-v.aspx
>>
>> I'm excited about this because Hyper-V is included in Windows-8 so I'm
>> seriously thinking if doing that instead of VirtualPC on my laptop.
>
> Ah, neat to see that announced.  I've met a few of the folks from
> Microsoft working on this at BSDCan and they are generally nice folks
> and legitimately interested in supporting FreeBSD properly.

Though it's kind of ironic to run FreeBSD (once known to be one of the
most stable operating systems) on Microsoft Windows code (well, we all
know what they are best known for).

I wouldn't deploy it in any serious production environment, but for
purely fun testing purposes on Windows 8 laptops.. why not?

--Andy


From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Fri Aug 10 17:35:08 2012
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:35:08 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Happy Clouds
Message-ID: <1344634563-3412220.41375859.fq7ALYOas003184@rs139.luxsci.com>

Hi All,

An engineer at my company just brightened afternoon by sharing this:

"I really worry about everything going to the cloud. I think it's going to be horrendous. I think there are going to be a lot of horrible problems in the next five years. "
  - Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-cofounders-grim-warning-about-cloud-20120806-23ot6.html

Best,
.ike





From jschauma at netmeister.org  Fri Aug 10 18:09:16 2012
From: jschauma at netmeister.org (Jan Schaumann)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:09:16 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Happy Clouds
In-Reply-To: <1344634563-3412220.41375859.fq7ALYOas003184@rs139.luxsci.com>
References: <1344634563-3412220.41375859.fq7ALYOas003184@rs139.luxsci.com>
Message-ID: <20120810220916.GF459@netmeister.org>

"Isaac (.ike) Levy" <ike at blackskyresearch.net> wrote:
 
> "I really worry about everything going to the cloud. I think it's going to be horrendous. I think there are going to be a lot of horrible problems in the next five years. "
>   - Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak

Which came on the same day as Wired's detailed artice on how Mat Honan
was hacked:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/apple-amazon-mat-honan-hacking/all/

:-)

-Jan
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From pete at nomadlogic.org  Sat Aug 11 00:13:10 2012
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:13:10 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Microsoft Hyper-V adds FreeBSD support
In-Reply-To: <502516F5.7020004@FreeBSD.org>
References: <CABsCM1OQBewwYw7iFfaO62Z6VNkeU=S9CgfMozUqD-7LL9kufQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <502516F5.7020004@FreeBSD.org>
Message-ID: <5025DBD6.1060604@nomadlogic.org>

On 8/10/12 7:13 AM, John Baldwin wrote:
> On 8/10/12 7:23 AM, Justin Dearing wrote:
>> http://blogs.technet.com/b/openness/archive/2012/08/09/available-today-freebsd-support-for-windows-server-hyper-v.aspx
>>
>> I'm excited about this because Hyper-V is included in Windows-8 so I'm
>> seriously thinking if doing that instead of VirtualPC on my laptop.
> Ah, neat to see that announced.  I've met a few of the folks from
> Microsoft working on this at BSDCan and they are generally nice folks
> and legitimately interested in supporting FreeBSD properly.
>
i wonder if/when there will be images available to run on azure...

-pete

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
www.nomadlogic.org



From mikel.king at olivent.com  Sat Aug 11 19:21:00 2012
From: mikel.king at olivent.com (mikel king)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:21:00 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Happy Clouds
In-Reply-To: <1344634563-3412220.41375859.fq7ALYOas003184@rs139.luxsci.com>
References: <1344634563-3412220.41375859.fq7ALYOas003184@rs139.luxsci.com>
Message-ID: <578D13D2-005E-48D7-BF9B-4A281290B4E1@olivent.com>


On Aug 10, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> An engineer at my company just brightened afternoon by sharing this:
> 
> "I really worry about everything going to the cloud. I think it's going to be horrendous. I think there are going to be a lot of horrible problems in the next five years. "
>  - Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak
> 
> http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-cofounders-grim-warning-about-cloud-20120806-23ot6.html
> 
> Best,
> .ike


Yeah I don't trust clouds either...

That's why I am waiting for the resurgence of pyramids. I mean 10,000 years of information storage it a pretty safe bet so what if no one will be able to translate it correctly after that much time...

Cheers,
m



From pete at nomadlogic.org  Wed Aug 15 00:30:33 2012
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:30:33 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mailing Lists, egg on my face and bikesheds
Message-ID: <20120815043031.GA14751@arp.nomadlogic.org>

Hi All,
So I'd like to appologize regarding the thread I started yesterday
regarding the nycbug-jobs@ list.  I was under the mistaken impression
that it was for *BSD only jobs - and knowing how rare those jobs are I had
configured my filters to send me an alert if anything showed up on that
list.  I guess I got a little testy when I started seeing non-BSD jobs
on there - so many crushed dreams - lol.

I should have been a little smarter I reckon, and most def. should have
been a bit less confrontational.  So, mae culpa - I hope I didn't piss
off anyone looking for work.  Along those lines - if anyone is looking
for work and having a hard go at it in NYC move to California! ;p  

Just kidding - there is litterally a metric boat-load of Linux "ops"
work out here - but once this current bubble bursts we'll see who is
left standing...

anywho - again:
1) sorry 'bout that thread on nycbug-jobs@
2) sorry 'bout this OT email
3) please appologize to that poor recruiter...i reckon i owe him a drink
or something...

-p

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
twitter => @nomadlogicLA


From mikel.king at olivent.com  Tue Aug 14 22:08:38 2012
From: mikel.king at olivent.com (Mikel King)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:08:38 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mailing Lists, egg on my face and bikesheds
In-Reply-To: <20120815043031.GA14751@arp.nomadlogic.org>
References: <20120815043031.GA14751@arp.nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <470DB280-207A-46DA-85C3-922842EBB829@olivent.com>


On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:30 AM, Pete Wright wrote:

> Hi All,
> So I'd like to appologize regarding the thread I started yesterday
> regarding the nycbug-jobs@ list.  I was under the mistaken impression
> that it was for *BSD only jobs - and knowing how rare those jobs are I had
> configured my filters to send me an alert if anything showed up on that
> list.  I guess I got a little testy when I started seeing non-BSD jobs
> on there - so many crushed dreams - lol.
> 
> I should have been a little smarter I reckon, and most def. should have
> been a bit less confrontational.  So, mae culpa - I hope I didn't piss
> off anyone looking for work.  Along those lines - if anyone is looking
> for work and having a hard go at it in NYC move to California! ;p  
> 
> Just kidding - there is litterally a metric boat-load of Linux "ops"
> work out here - but once this current bubble bursts we'll see who is
> left standing...
> 
> anywho - again:
> 1) sorry 'bout that thread on nycbug-jobs@
> 2) sorry 'bout this OT email
> 3) please appologize to that poor recruiter...i reckon i owe him a drink
> or something...
> 
> -p

Pete,

	I'll buy you both a drink because you are being so stand up and gentlemanly about it.

Cheers,
Mikel



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Aug 15 00:33:01 2012
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:33:01 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mailing Lists, egg on my face and bikesheds
In-Reply-To: <20120815043031.GA14751@arp.nomadlogic.org>
References: <20120815043031.GA14751@arp.nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <502B267D.1060709@ceetonetechnology.com>

On 08/15/12 00:30, Pete Wright wrote:
> Hi All,
> So I'd like to appologize regarding the thread I started yesterday
> regarding the nycbug-jobs@ list.  I was under the mistaken impression
> that it was for *BSD only jobs - and knowing how rare those jobs are I had
> configured my filters to send me an alert if anything showed up on that
> list.  I guess I got a little testy when I started seeing non-BSD jobs
> on there - so many crushed dreams - lol.
> 
> I should have been a little smarter I reckon, and most def. should have
> been a bit less confrontational.  So, mae culpa - I hope I didn't piss
> off anyone looking for work.  Along those lines - if anyone is looking
> for work and having a hard go at it in NYC move to California! ;p  
> 
> Just kidding - there is litterally a metric boat-load of Linux "ops"
> work out here - but once this current bubble bursts we'll see who is
> left standing...
> 
> anywho - again:
> 1) sorry 'bout that thread on nycbug-jobs@
> 2) sorry 'bout this OT email
> 3) please appologize to that poor recruiter...i reckon i owe him a drink
> or something...

No need for apologies. (one 'p')

Just like with vendors that collide into our world, it's better to err
on the side of suspicion.

You've been with NYC*BUG since the very beginnings.  You have the right
gut instincts.

That's why we're still here.

g

PS: can someone start a thread on spell checking on Mutt?  That was the
most upsetting part of the email. . .

;-'


From scottro at nyc.rr.com  Wed Aug 15 09:06:40 2012
From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:06:40 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mutt spell checking (Was Re:  Mailing Lists,
 egg on my face and bikesheds)
In-Reply-To: <502B267D.1060709@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <20120815043031.GA14751@arp.nomadlogic.org>
 <502B267D.1060709@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <20120815130640.GA21453@scott1.scottro.net>

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:33:01AM -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
> 
> 
> PS: can someone start a thread on spell checking on Mutt?  That was the
> most upsetting part of the email. . .

Well, I'll spam my own page then.... (though it's a roadrunner user home
page, so no ads.)

http://home.roadrunner.com/~computertaijutsu/mutt.html#Spell
A bit dated, not sure if ispell is still the most common program (writing
from a Linux box at work--yeah, I'm one of those who now works primarily
with Linux).  :)


-- 
Scott Robbins
PGP keyID EB3467D6
( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 )
gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6




From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Wed Aug 15 09:17:56 2012
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 09:17:56 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mailing Lists, egg on my face and bikesheds
In-Reply-To: <502B267D.1060709@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <20120815043031.GA14751@arp.nomadlogic.org>
 <502B267D.1060709@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <1345036683-6673800.6074762.fq7FDHuJY023356@rs139.luxsci.com>

Hi Pete, All,

On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:33 AM, George Rosamond wrote:
> Just like with vendors that collide into our world, it's better to err
> on the side of suspicion.
> 
> You've been with NYC*BUG since the very beginnings.  You have the right
> gut instincts.
> 
> That's why we're still here.

I couldn't agree with George more here.

Pete: those job posts triggered my mental spam filter too, you're as entitled as anyone to push back on list.

It's totally reasonable to ask people posting jobs to state either which recruiting firm they represent, (if they wish to keep their client to themselves), or the actual company/job- in a professional and clear manner.

On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:30 AM, Pete Wright wrote:
> Along those lines - if anyone is looking
> for work and having a hard go at it in NYC move to California! ;p

Now THAT I take issue with, we already lost you to the west!

Tell your Cali peeps to hit the jobs list, my shop just formally went FreeBSD on Monday! (not kidding, sign-off and support all the way up the chain) ;P

Best,
.ike




From slynch2112 at me.com  Wed Aug 15 07:40:32 2012
From: slynch2112 at me.com (Siobhan Lynch)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 07:40:32 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mailing Lists, egg on my face and bikesheds
In-Reply-To: <20120815043031.GA14751@arp.nomadlogic.org>
References: <20120815043031.GA14751@arp.nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <1051C3B3-47EF-4F69-9CFD-F8504E9687F4@me.com>

Its ok Pete as far as CA - I almost ended up applying for a job with you a while back... do you know Heather Lantz?

She used to work for me at VA Linux :)

-Trish


On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:30 AM, pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) wrote:

> Hi All,
> So I'd like to appologize regarding the thread I started yesterday
> regarding the nycbug-jobs@ list.  I was under the mistaken impression
> that it was for *BSD only jobs - and knowing how rare those jobs are I had
> configured my filters to send me an alert if anything showed up on that
> list.  I guess I got a little testy when I started seeing non-BSD jobs
> on there - so many crushed dreams - lol.
> 
> I should have been a little smarter I reckon, and most def. should have
> been a bit less confrontational.  So, mae culpa - I hope I didn't piss
> off anyone looking for work.  Along those lines - if anyone is looking
> for work and having a hard go at it in NYC move to California! ;p  
> 
> Just kidding - there is litterally a metric boat-load of Linux "ops"
> work out here - but once this current bubble bursts we'll see who is
> left standing...
> 
> anywho - again:
> 1) sorry 'bout that thread on nycbug-jobs@
> 2) sorry 'bout this OT email
> 3) please appologize to that poor recruiter...i reckon i owe him a drink
> or something...
> 
> -p
> 
> -- 
> Pete Wright
> pete at nomadlogic.org
> twitter => @nomadlogicLA
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From thomasjwinston at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 15 16:00:07 2012
From: thomasjwinston at yahoo.com (Thomas Winston)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:00:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Somewhat noob question
Message-ID: <1345060807.3707.YahooMailNeo@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I'm trying to set up FreeNAS and PfSense on ESXi (5.0 Ent Plus). I'm using a combo of the PfSense and FreeNAS NTP servers for time sync. The ESXi host machines as well as any Linux VMs (via VMware tools) will sync back to the host time, which is correct (New York City).?

The BSD (FreeNAS and PfSense) operating systems sync correctly via VMware tools however their virtual BIOS clocks are all defaulting to UTC time and it's screwing with Kerberos and my Active Directory sync's are all not working.?

I know this is probably a very beginner question but I'm at a loss. Is there an easy (CLI or other) way to sync a VM's OS and BIOS clocks back to the Host machine?

Thx. If you happen to answer and you are from NYC beers are on me!
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From edlinuxguru at gmail.com  Wed Aug 15 16:28:41 2012
From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:28:41 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Somewhat noob question
In-Reply-To: <1345060807.3707.YahooMailNeo@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1345060807.3707.YahooMailNeo@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAENxBwyX7j_nmLoqcPi=cm7-DBa7fph8wNXuqoY8n-7VWDdxSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe this is just a bit of personal bias but I have NEVER been able
to get vmware to handle time right. Even after installing all their
tools and trying to rebuild kernels etc/etc/etc.

It seems like every os and kernel has a different suggested tweak
(probably all with negligible effects):

http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1006427

This is especially true with a heavy IO/CPU application the clock
drift becomes erratic.

George what every happened to the hater lightning talk meetup? Weren't
you going to hate on visualization?

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Thomas Winston
<thomasjwinston at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to set up FreeNAS and PfSense on ESXi (5.0 Ent Plus). I'm using a
> combo of the PfSense and FreeNAS NTP servers for time sync. The ESXi host
> machines as well as any Linux VMs (via VMware tools) will sync back to the
> host time, which is correct (New York City).
>
> The BSD (FreeNAS and PfSense) operating systems sync correctly via VMware
> tools however their virtual BIOS clocks are all defaulting to UTC time and
> it's screwing with Kerberos and my Active Directory sync's are all not
> working.
>
> I know this is probably a very beginner question but I'm at a loss. Is there
> an easy (CLI or other) way to sync a VM's OS and BIOS clocks back to the
> Host machine?
>
> Thx. If you happen to answer and you are from NYC beers are on me!
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>


From spork at bway.net  Wed Aug 15 17:31:40 2012
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:31:40 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Somewhat noob question
In-Reply-To: <1345060807.3707.YahooMailNeo@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1345060807.3707.YahooMailNeo@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Sorry for the top post. 

I always set BIOS to UTC and then deal with /etc/localtime to get the os time correct. A quick way to set it in fbsd is to just run "tzsetup". 

Sent from a device with a tiny keyboard


On Aug 15, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Thomas Winston <thomasjwinston at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to set up FreeNAS and PfSense on ESXi (5.0 Ent Plus). I'm using a combo of the PfSense and FreeNAS NTP servers for time sync. The ESXi host machines as well as any Linux VMs (via VMware tools) will sync back to the host time, which is correct (New York City). 
> 
> The BSD (FreeNAS and PfSense) operating systems sync correctly via VMware tools however their virtual BIOS clocks are all defaulting to UTC time and it's screwing with Kerberos and my Active Directory sync's are all not working. 
> 
> I know this is probably a very beginner question but I'm at a loss. Is there an easy (CLI or other) way to sync a VM's OS and BIOS clocks back to the Host machine?
> 
> Thx. If you happen to answer and you are from NYC beers are on me!
> _______________________________________________
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From henry95 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 20 19:45:57 2012
From: henry95 at gmail.com (Henry Mendez)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:45:57 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] For you Raspberry Pi owners
Message-ID: <CAK1r8CVpywD=t_Lfqw-XD-TGk_RHvE5=DxrJvGetazqpyydHjA@mail.gmail.com>

 <http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=164>Hi all,

I just came across it today and thought it was pretty cool.

Here is a FreeBSD port for raspberry pi.
http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=164

I can't confirm that it works, since I don't have one yet though.

-Henry
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Mon Aug 20 21:07:49 2012
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:07:49 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] For you Raspberry Pi owners
In-Reply-To: <CAK1r8CVpywD=t_Lfqw-XD-TGk_RHvE5=DxrJvGetazqpyydHjA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 08/20/12 19:45, Henry Mendez wrote:
>  <http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=164>Hi all,
> 
> I just came across it today and thought it was pretty cool.
> 
> Here is a FreeBSD port for raspberry pi.
> http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=164
> 
> I can't confirm that it works, since I don't have one yet though.
> 

Yes.  SK happened to send me this AM, besides the above link:

BeagleBone: https://github.com/kientzle/freebsd-beaglebone
BeagleBoard-XM:
http://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2012/FreeBSDonBeagleBoardxM

We need someone who's hacking on this stuff (not necessarily a dev) to
do a meeting on it.  And not necessarily FreeBSD.

g


From gnn at neville-neil.com  Mon Aug 20 22:29:50 2012
From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 22:29:50 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] For you Raspberry Pi owners
In-Reply-To: <5032DF65.1090309@ceetonetechnology.com>
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On Aug 20, 2012, at 21:07 , George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:

> On 08/20/12 19:45, Henry Mendez wrote:
>> <http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=164>Hi all,
>> 
>> I just came across it today and thought it was pretty cool.
>> 
>> Here is a FreeBSD port for raspberry pi.
>> http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=164
>> 
>> I can't confirm that it works, since I don't have one yet though.
>> 
> 
> Yes.  SK happened to send me this AM, besides the above link:
> 
> BeagleBone: https://github.com/kientzle/freebsd-beaglebone
> BeagleBoard-XM:
> http://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2012/FreeBSDonBeagleBoardxM
> 
> We need someone who's hacking on this stuff (not necessarily a dev) to
> do a meeting on it.  And not necessarily FreeBSD.

I'm doing FreeBSD on BeagleBone and now Rasberry Pi.  The Bone works
the Pi I'm still trying to get up and running.

Best,
George




From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Thu Aug 23 08:41:10 2012
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 08:41:10 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] For you Raspberry Pi owners
In-Reply-To: <013A8931-352F-40FC-9449-7C40DAF3B2D9@neville-neil.com>
References: <CAK1r8CVpywD=t_Lfqw-XD-TGk_RHvE5=DxrJvGetazqpyydHjA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Aug 20, 2012, at 10:29 PM, George Neville-Neil wrote:
> 
> On Aug 20, 2012, at 21:07 , George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 08/20/12 19:45, Henry Mendez wrote:
>>> <http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=164>Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just came across it today and thought it was pretty cool.
>>> 
>>> Here is a FreeBSD port for raspberry pi.
>>> http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=164
>>> 
>>> I can't confirm that it works, since I don't have one yet though.
>>> 
>> 
>> Yes.  SK happened to send me this AM, besides the above link:
>> 
>> BeagleBone: https://github.com/kientzle/freebsd-beaglebone
>> BeagleBoard-XM:
>> http://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2012/FreeBSDonBeagleBoardxM
>> 
>> We need someone who's hacking on this stuff (not necessarily a dev) to
>> do a meeting on it.  And not necessarily FreeBSD.
> 
> I'm doing FreeBSD on BeagleBone and now Rasberry Pi.  The Bone works
> the Pi I'm still trying to get up and running.
> 
> Best,
> George

Wow- when you say "The Bone works", do you mean you have at least a serial/network shell up on it?

If so, it's pretty much going to make my week?

Rocket-
.ike





From gnn at neville-neil.com  Thu Aug 23 09:46:30 2012
From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 09:46:30 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] For you Raspberry Pi owners
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On Aug 23, 2012, at 08:41 , "Isaac (.ike) Levy" <ike at blackskyresearch.net> wrote:

> On Aug 20, 2012, at 10:29 PM, George Neville-Neil wrote:
>> 
>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 21:07 , George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 08/20/12 19:45, Henry Mendez wrote:
>>>> <http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=164>Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I just came across it today and thought it was pretty cool.
>>>> 
>>>> Here is a FreeBSD port for raspberry pi.
>>>> http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=164
>>>> 
>>>> I can't confirm that it works, since I don't have one yet though.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes.  SK happened to send me this AM, besides the above link:
>>> 
>>> BeagleBone: https://github.com/kientzle/freebsd-beaglebone
>>> BeagleBoard-XM:
>>> http://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2012/FreeBSDonBeagleBoardxM
>>> 
>>> We need someone who's hacking on this stuff (not necessarily a dev) to
>>> do a meeting on it.  And not necessarily FreeBSD.
>> 
>> I'm doing FreeBSD on BeagleBone and now Rasberry Pi.  The Bone works
>> the Pi I'm still trying to get up and running.
>> 
>> Best,
>> George
> 
> Wow- when you say "The Bone works", do you mean you have at least a serial/network shell up on it?
> 
> If so, it's pretty much going to make my week?

I can ssh to it.  It works, as in, it works :-)

Later,
George




From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Thu Aug 23 11:20:37 2012
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 11:20:37 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] For you Raspberry Pi owners
In-Reply-To: <7E0CBECC-C2A8-431E-985E-EDC1F11C20FA@neville-neil.com>
References: <CAK1r8CVpywD=t_Lfqw-XD-TGk_RHvE5=DxrJvGetazqpyydHjA@mail.gmail.com>
 <5032DF65.1090309@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <013A8931-352F-40FC-9449-7C40DAF3B2D9@neville-neil.com>
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On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:46 AM, George Neville-Neil wrote:
>> 
>> If so, it's pretty much going to make my week?
> 
> I can ssh to it.  It works, as in, it works :-)
> 
> Later,
> George

My week is made, thanks!

Best,
.ike





From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Fri Aug 24 13:49:51 2012
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:49:51 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] nifty(1)
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References: <750FC28E-C033-436B-A17A-052E24C09CF3@tablethotels.com>
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Hi All,

Keeping the thread alive with some uri/path handling in shell.

A friend forwarded me this seemingly innocuous line:

# provides the concise full path to a shell script's parent dir
(cd "${0%/*}" 2>/dev/null; echo "$PWD" /)

# or my preference, without the trailing /
(cd "${0%/*}" 2>/dev/null; echo "$PWD")

It's the best expression I've seen in shell which:
  - avoids relative/absolute path inconsistencies of using '${0%/*}'
  - is a fine use of subshell ( )
    ($PWD for parent script doesn't get changed)
  - is a clear use of builtin(1) glob expansion

--
Now, before I go on extolling this one-liner greatness, can anybody school me on a portable/POSIX builtin(1) which provides the same facility, with the same consistency?
(A drink on me at next NYC*BUG meeting if anyone enlightens me on this)

With all that, consider the following fun:
--
#!/bin/sh

dothere="$(cd "${0%/*}" 2>/dev/null; echo "$PWD")"
echo "$dothere"
pwd

# path trimming via shell glob builtin(1) expansion is now reliable and simple,
echo "${dothere%/*}"
# or, eat the exec and go haywire with sed(1):
echo "$dothere" | sed "s/\/[^\/]*$//"
# making it really easy for to work with hier(7) standard dirs in the script,
echo "${dothere%/*}/etc"
echo "${dothere%/*}/var"
# very handy for combinator shell utilities (styled after git(1) etc...)
echo "${dothere%/*}/sbin"
--

Best,
.ike





From jschauma at netmeister.org  Tue Aug 28 17:57:40 2012
From: jschauma at netmeister.org (Jan Schaumann)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:57:40 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] nifty(1)
In-Reply-To: <1345830602-5001615.61264382.fq7OHnpMb008925@rs139.luxsci.com>
References: <750FC28E-C033-436B-A17A-052E24C09CF3@tablethotels.com>
 <201112142314.pBENE3X8002735@rs134.luxsci.com>
 <7E9045EC-84D0-49AD-9620-49EF73C04F5D@tablethotels.com>
 <1324001249-sup-9155@hermes>
 <CAK1r8CV6O3ZvkwpCC2cfco3FM+NtFM7v0br_NrUiDpZkDgxP6A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB+9ogcWw9keEd6oFMrHBQvvgPrPQ+5OY=OPnP1EUK6H8k_5Ng@mail.gmail.com>
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"Isaac (.ike) Levy" <ike at blackskyresearch.net> wrote:
 
> # provides the concise full path to a shell script's parent dir
> (cd "${0%/*}" 2>/dev/null; echo "$PWD" /)
> 
> # or my preference, without the trailing /
> (cd "${0%/*}" 2>/dev/null; echo "$PWD")

I've used

fullname() {
        local readonly arg="${1}"
        echo $(cd $(dirname ${arg}) && pwd -P)/$(basename ${arg})
}

for determining the arguments absolute full path.  This isn't builtins,
but it ensures you get the actual physical path (ie, all symlinks are
resolved).

-Jan
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From pete at nomadlogic.org  Fri Aug 31 14:39:51 2012
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:39:51 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] pkg hits 1.0 on freebsd
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pretty happy about this:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.current/144272

fwiw - i still have my repo up here:
http://pkg.nomadlogic.org/90amd64-default/

these packages work on 9.0 and 9.1-RC1 (building and using them on 
9.1-RC1 actually, but also have some 9.0 nodes subscribing to this 
repo).  fell free to use and share this link, it may be more up to date 
than the freebsd.org repository - but only contains a subset of packages 
(new packages added by request).

-pete

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
www.nomadlogic.org