From mark.saad at ymail.com Wed Oct 3 11:04:40 2012 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:04:40 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Stats on mirrors.nycbug.org Message-ID: Hello Talk Here are some stats for mirrors.nycbug.org for Aug and Sept For Aug we had 2,234 unique visitors , and we served 5336.90 GB of content. For Sept we had 2,276 unique visitors , and we served 5950.26 GB of content 89.1 % of our traffic is pkg_tools downloads on various BSD Our most popular downloads include the OpenBSD Squid packages, OpenSSH Portable Source, DragonflyBSD Development Images , and this Gem http://mirrors.nycbug.org/pub/The_Unix_Archive/PDP11/Distributions/research/Dennis_v5/v5man.pdf Thanks for using the mirror and we are still looking for donations to keep it up and running. Specifically rack mount servers with 4 or more SATA drive bays. Please email admin at nycbug.org if you have anything you would like to donate. See you tonight. -- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed Oct 3 13:43:45 2012 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 10:43:45 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Stats on mirrors.nycbug.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <506C7951.2010702@nomadlogic.org> On 10/03/12 08:04, Mark Saad wrote: > Hello Talk > > Here are some stats for mirrors.nycbug.org for Aug and Sept > > For Aug we had 2,234 unique visitors , and we served 5336.90 GB of content. > > For Sept we had 2,276 unique visitors , and we served 5950.26 GB of content > > 89.1 % of our traffic is pkg_tools downloads on various BSD > > Our most popular downloads include the OpenBSD Squid packages, OpenSSH > Portable Source, DragonflyBSD Development Images , and this Gem > > http://mirrors.nycbug.org/pub/The_Unix_Archive/PDP11/Distributions/research/Dennis_v5/v5man.pdf > > > Thanks for using the mirror and we are still looking for donations to > keep it up and running. Specifically rack mount servers with 4 or more > SATA drive bays. Please email admin at nycbug.org if you have anything > you would like to donate. Congrats guys - that's awesome! -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From jpb at jimby.name Wed Oct 3 13:57:25 2012 From: jpb at jimby.name (Jimmy B.) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 13:57:25 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Stats on mirrors.nycbug.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20121003175725.GA91091@jimby.name> [snip] > > Our most popular downloads include the OpenBSD Squid packages, OpenSSH > Portable Source, DragonflyBSD Development Images , and this Gem > > http://mirrors.nycbug.org/pub/The_Unix_Archive/PDP11/Distributions/research/Dennis_v5/v5man.pdf > Thanks for this overview. Any chance you can make the download list summaries available? I'd be very curious to know what BSD folks are using most often for lots of things. > > See you tonight. Alas, not this time :-( Best Regards, Jim B. From skreuzer at exit2shell.com Thu Oct 4 13:43:03 2012 From: skreuzer at exit2shell.com (Steven Kreuzer) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:43:03 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] arm boards In-Reply-To: <5060FECB.8080800@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> <1348251364-7176839.91209531.fq8LIG0aD010676@rs139.luxsci.com> <505CC996.4020204@gmail.com> <505CCD65.7050000@gmail.com> <505CE698.7030103@ceetonetechnology.com> <505CE86E.7090100@gmail.com> <5060FECB.8080800@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <506DCAA7.5020509@exit2shell.com> On 9/24/12 8:46 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > On 09/21/12 18:21, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: >> On 21/09/2012 23:13, George Rosamond wrote: >>> Raspberry PI is too much of an issue in acquiring. >> I ordered mine from http://www.farnell.com on Tuesday, it was here on >> Thursday. > The BeagleBoard www site says they will be at MakerFaire this weekend. > It certainly is a good chance to discuss some sort of group discount for > us, even if they don't sell them directly. > > What if we structure some sort of 3 hour long workshop? > > We could provide the useful documentation to enable the preliminary > work. For FreeBSD, there's stuff out there. People should prep their > SD cards at least. I made an image for the beaglebone with FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #4 that people can use to get started. All you need to do is write it to a 4GB micro SD card using dd It can be downloaded from http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24276515/FreeBSD-BEAGLEBONE.img.gz (checksum is 3dffc4371907b6b5e74314276ff83d9c) From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Oct 4 13:46:14 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:46:14 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] arm boards In-Reply-To: <506DCAA7.5020509@exit2shell.com> References: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> <1348251364-7176839.91209531.fq8LIG0aD010676@rs139.luxsci.com> <505CC996.4020204@gmail.com> <505CCD65.7050000@gmail.com> <505CE698.7030103@ceetonetechnology.com> <505CE86E.7090100@gmail.com> <5060FECB.8080800@ceetonetechnology.com> <506DCAA7.5020509@exit2shell.com> Message-ID: <506DCB66.7080209@ceetonetechnology.com> On 10/04/12 13:43, Steven Kreuzer wrote: > On 9/24/12 8:46 PM, George Rosamond wrote: >> On 09/21/12 18:21, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: >>> On 21/09/2012 23:13, George Rosamond wrote: >>>> Raspberry PI is too much of an issue in acquiring. >>> I ordered mine from http://www.farnell.com on Tuesday, it was here on >>> Thursday. >> The BeagleBoard www site says they will be at MakerFaire this weekend. >> It certainly is a good chance to discuss some sort of group discount for >> us, even if they don't sell them directly. >> >> What if we structure some sort of 3 hour long workshop? >> >> We could provide the useful documentation to enable the preliminary >> work. For FreeBSD, there's stuff out there. People should prep their >> SD cards at least. > I made an image for the beaglebone with FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #4 that > people can use to get started. All you need to do is write it to a 4GB > micro SD card using dd > > It can be downloaded from > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24276515/FreeBSD-BEAGLEBONE.img.gz (checksum is > 3dffc4371907b6b5e74314276ff83d9c) Very cool. Thanks SK. I'm speaking to CircuitCo right now, as I mentioned last night, and am working out some sort of deal for BeagleBone boards. If anyone is interested in getting one, we'll figure out how to poll NYCBUG people and get a count sooner than later. g From skreuzer at exit2shell.com Thu Oct 4 14:05:18 2012 From: skreuzer at exit2shell.com (Steven Kreuzer) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 14:05:18 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] arm boards In-Reply-To: <941E6E09-FB4D-4639-B914-4D0A2D8E0A72@bway.net> References: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> <1348251364-7176839.91209531.fq8LIG0aD010676@rs139.luxsci.com> <505CC996.4020204@gmail.com> <505CCD65.7050000@gmail.com> <505CE698.7030103@ceetonetechnology.com> <505CE86E.7090100@gmail.com> <5060FECB.8080800@ceetonetechnology.com> <941E6E09-FB4D-4639-B914-4D0A2D8E0A72@bway.net> Message-ID: <506DCFDE.8070001@exit2shell.com> On 9/24/12 9:35 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Sep 24, 2012, at 8:46 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > >> On 09/21/12 18:21, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: >>> On 21/09/2012 23:13, George Rosamond wrote: >>>> Raspberry PI is too much of an issue in acquiring. >>> I ordered mine from http://www.farnell.com on Tuesday, it was here on >>> Thursday. >> The BeagleBoard www site says they will be at MakerFaire this weekend. >> It certainly is a good chance to discuss some sort of group discount for >> us, even if they don't sell them directly. >> >> What if we structure some sort of 3 hour long workshop? >> >> We could provide the useful documentation to enable the preliminary >> work. For FreeBSD, there's stuff out there. People should prep their >> SD cards at least. >> >> A short introduction to get people started would probably be nice. > You know, I've been interested in this, but one thing I'm not clear > on (and what's most interesting to me) is what the differences > between all these units are as far as interfacing with the outside > world. Specifically, if I want to control a small servo or > similar, or tie into a bank of small relays or some such thing, > what are the options? Does that mean buying yet another device or > is there some basic analog I/O on these things? Both the BeagleBone and Raspberry Pi have general purpose input/output which are a set of pins which could serve as input or outputhaving logical 0 and logical 1 as their values. From there you would be able to interface with external peripherals. 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Steve K sent an image for FreeBSD 10 on 10/4 to this list: > It can be downloaded from http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24276515/FreeBSD-BEAGLEBONE.img.gz (checksum is 3dffc4371907b6b5e74314276ff83d9c) If you are interested, ping me directly offlist and we will sort out ordering, but we'll pre-pay for a batch and hopefully have them by early November. Since we don't know the shipping fees, you'll pay that when you pickup. Once we know that a critical mass of people have it and are hacking on it, we can organize some sort of install-fest. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sun Oct 14 22:55:02 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 22:55:02 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] BeagleBones discount In-Reply-To: <5078438C.3050509@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5078438C.3050509@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <507B7B06.6090702@ceetonetechnology.com> On 10/12/12 12:21, George Rosamond wrote: > We've worked out a discount for BeagleBones (beagleboard.org) with > CircuitCo (.com), who have also provided us with a developer contact for > any BSD porting work. > > These are great little ARM boards, and at this point, there are at least > NetBSD porting efforts and FreeBSD runs on it. Steve K sent an image ... I received a bunch of replies offline on the BeagleBones. I'll be at Suspenders from 6-8 PM on Tuesday night to pick up payment. If you need to make other arrangements, let me know. If you're still interested in getting a board, ping me. Remember, once we put in the order, we'll know the postage cost, and you'll pay that when you pick it up. g From pete at nomadlogic.org Sun Oct 14 23:30:19 2012 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:30:19 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] great things happening with drangonfly Message-ID: <507B834B.2080007@nomadlogic.org> not sure if anyone else caught this: http://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/users/2012-September/000050.html i can think of several workloads where this would be really helpful for me - esp. the MMU optimization. -p -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt at atopia.net Mon Oct 15 02:05:31 2012 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 06:05:31 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure Message-ID: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> Hi all, Having an awkward time getting FreeBSD 9 release installed on one of my dedicated servers. The installation is going back to the beginning after the addition of the secondary user. If we reboot from there, it's unable to boot, so the installation is obviously not completing. Has anyone seen this before? Any suggestions for debugging? Thanks! Matt From bonsaime at gmail.com Mon Oct 15 09:35:43 2012 From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:35:43 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: I wonder if you don't add the user during install does the problem still arise? On Oct 15, 2012 2:46 AM, "Matt Juszczak" wrote: > Hi all, > > Having an awkward time getting FreeBSD 9 release installed on one of my > dedicated servers. The installation is going back to the beginning after > the addition of the > secondary user. If we reboot from there, > it's unable to boot, so the installation is obviously not completing. > > Has anyone seen this before? Any suggestions for debugging? > > Thanks! > > Matt > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Oct 15 09:40:23 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:40:23 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> On 10/15/12 09:35, Jesse Callaway wrote: > I wonder if you don't add the user during install does the problem still > arise? > On Oct 15, 2012 2:46 AM, "Matt Juszczak" wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Having an awkward time getting FreeBSD 9 release installed on one of my >> dedicated servers. The installation is going back to the beginning after >> the addition of the >> secondary user. If we reboot from there, >> it's unable to boot, so the installation is obviously not completing. >> >> Has anyone seen this before? Any suggestions for debugging? Let's stick to not top-posting :) Where is it not booting? Single-user mode? Before that? There must be more information available about where it is when it's not able to boot... Are these new drives? Previous install of 9.0 on them? That would point to a gpart/gpt issue. g From matt at atopia.net Mon Oct 15 14:43:36 2012 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: Hi George, > Are these new drives? Previous install of 9.0 on them? That would > point to a gpart/gpt issue. It's a new install with 2 x 750 GB drives. It might be the 3ware 9650se RAID, as everything else is fairly standard.... but it's listed as compatible. -Matt From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon Oct 15 16:28:16 2012 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:28:16 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] great things happening with drangonfly In-Reply-To: <5F022694-C43E-4A4F-86CA-FD85F68EC0C6@bway.net> References: <507B834B.2080007@nomadlogic.org> <5F022694-C43E-4A4F-86CA-FD85F68EC0C6@bway.net> Message-ID: <507C71E0.8070206@nomadlogic.org> On 10/15/12 13:17, Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Oct 14, 2012, at 11:30 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > >> not sure if anyone else caught this: >> http://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/users/2012-September/000050.html > > I didn't see that, but I did see this: > > http://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/users/2012-October/017536.html > > I really admire Matt Dillon - I was quite sad to see him leave the > FreeBSD project. > oh that's fantastic - thanks for the link! it is a bummer indeed - although i think it is great that he is able to move things in his own direction. >> i can think of several workloads where this would be really helpful >> for me - esp. the MMU optimization. > > PG seemed to fair pretty well. :) > > DFBSD has taken some time to evolve, but I suspect in a few years if > it can gain a bit of traction and a few well-known users it might get > the recognition it deserves outside of the hobbyist/tinkering circles. > yea it'll be interesting to see how things shake out no doubt. i'm hoping that at the very least his work will pique the interest of other BSD developers and we will continue to get some cross pollination. -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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PG seemed to fair pretty well. :) DFBSD has taken some time to evolve, but I suspect in a few years if it can gain a bit of traction and a few well-known users it might get the recognition it deserves outside of the hobbyist/tinkering circles. Charles > -p > -- > Pete Wright > pete at nomadlogic.org > www.nomadlogic.org > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Oct 15 20:02:26 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:02:26 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD BeagleBone/RaspPi/PandaBoard build scripts Message-ID: <507CA412.6010600@ceetonetechnology.com> It's been mentioned in passing several times now, but the building of these ARM boards has been nicely simplified by FreeBSD's kientzle@: https://github.com/kientzle/freebsd-beaglebone It does seem to require bootstrapping off FreeBSD-Current. g From sjt.kar at gmail.com Tue Oct 16 07:09:53 2012 From: sjt.kar at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:39:53 +0530 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Matt Juszczak wrote: > Hi George, > > >> Are these new drives? Previous install of 9.0 on them? That would point >> to a gpart/gpt issue. > > > It's a new install with 2 x 750 GB drives. > > It might be the 3ware 9650se RAID, as everything else is fairly standard.... > but it's listed as compatible. Have the drives or RAID gone bad. From nycbug at wynn.com Tue Oct 16 14:24:48 2012 From: nycbug at wynn.com (Brett Wynkoop) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:24:48 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <20121016142448.2050910e@ivory.local> On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Matt Juszczak wrote: > > > It's a new install with 2 x 750 GB drives. > > It might be the 3ware 9650se RAID, as everything else is fairly > standard.... but it's listed as compatible. > > -Matt I think I missed the start of this thread, but I can say I have had bad experiences with 3ware hardware raid in the past. I suggest you go with a non-raid controller and just use gmirror or zfs mirroring. zfs is working great for me on 9.0 using the mfsbsd install disk image. I have to say I am less than impressed with the current state of the default installer on the official images. -Brett -- wynkoop at wynn.com 917-642-6924 718-717-5435 From matt at atopia.net Tue Oct 16 14:25:45 2012 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: <20121016142406.45348140@ivory.local> References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> <20121016142406.45348140@ivory.local> Message-ID: > I think I missed the start of this thread, but I can say I have had bad > experiences with 3ware hardware raid in the past. > > I suggest you go with a non-raid controller and just use gmirror or zfs > mirroring. > > zfs is working great for me on 9.0 using the mfsbsd install disk image. How is this setup? Does it need to be setup from the beginning? The box would only have 2 x 750GB disks in them. -Matt From nycbug at wynn.com Tue Oct 16 14:31:32 2012 From: nycbug at wynn.com (Brett Wynkoop) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:31:32 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> <20121016142406.45348140@ivory.local> Message-ID: <20121016143132.6f3286ff@ivory.local> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Matt Juszczak wrote: > > I think I missed the start of this thread, but I can say I have had > > bad experiences with 3ware hardware raid in the past. > > > > I suggest you go with a non-raid controller and just use gmirror or > > zfs mirroring. > > > > zfs is working great for me on 9.0 using the mfsbsd install disk > > image. > > How is this setup? Does it need to be setup from the beginning? The > box would only have 2 x 750GB disks in them. > > -Matt See http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/. If you need help after looking at that page let me know. Pretty straight forward. You can do zfs mirror or zfs stripped using that install image and your hardware. If you are i386 you need at least 512Mb memory....I know my x86 box crashed at 384M under heavy I/O load. The least I have run on AMD64 has been 4G and zfs is great that way. If you want to go the gmirror route google FreeBSD gmirror onlamp and you will get the article that I follow when I do gmirror installs. I can never remember all the details. -Brett -Brett -- wynkoop at wynn.com 917-642-6924 718-717-5435 From matt at atopia.net Wed Oct 17 01:28:34 2012 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 01:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: <20121016143132.6f3286ff@ivory.local> References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> <20121016142406.45348140@ivory.local> <20121016143132.6f3286ff@ivory.local> Message-ID: > See http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/. If you need help after looking at that page > let me know. Pretty straight forward. > > You can do zfs mirror or zfs stripped using that install image and your > hardware. If you are i386 you need at least 512Mb memory....I know my > x86 box crashed at 384M under heavy I/O load. > > The least I have run on AMD64 has been 4G and zfs is great that way. > > If you want to go the gmirror route google FreeBSD gmirror onlamp and > you will get the article that I follow when I do gmirror installs. I > can never remember all the details. > -Brett Thanks Brett! Much appreciated. From matt at atopia.net Thu Oct 18 12:19:13 2012 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: <20121016143132.6f3286ff@ivory.local> References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> <20121016142406.45348140@ivory.local> <20121016143132.6f3286ff@ivory.local> Message-ID: > See http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/. If you need help after looking at that page > let me know. Pretty straight forward. > > You can do zfs mirror or zfs stripped using that install image and your > hardware. If you are i386 you need at least 512Mb memory....I know my > x86 box crashed at 384M under heavy I/O load. > > The least I have run on AMD64 has been 4G and zfs is great that way. > > If you want to go the gmirror route google FreeBSD gmirror onlamp and > you will get the article that I follow when I do gmirror installs. I > can never remember all the details. The dedicated facility installing FreeBSD for us just reported back for the final time: "I think we'll have to give up on FreeBSD 9. We tried cdboot, bootonly ISOs on two separate chassis with and without RAID. Looks like we just can't support that OS." I trust them a lot - they've never had any problems with FreeBSD 8.x. Is FreBSD 9.x really that picky? I've installed it a few times without issues. I'm wondering if the incorrect image is being used - the box has 8 GB RAM, so I'm assuming the 64 bit OS (amd64) is correct? -Matt From nycbug at wynn.com Thu Oct 18 12:44:14 2012 From: nycbug at wynn.com (Brett Wynkoop) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:44:14 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] BeagleBone in qemu Message-ID: <20121018124414.03da470d@ivory.local> Greeting- I have been trying to boot the image that George sent the link to, but qemu seems unhappy trying to boot it. ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ qemu-system-arm FreeBSD-BEAGLEBONE.img Kernel image must be specified ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ Mounting the disk image shows us this: ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ ls /Volumes/BOOT LOADER.HEL MLO U-BOOT.IMG UBLDR UENV.TXT ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ So I tried the following: ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ qemu-system-arm FreeBSD-BEAGLEBONE.img -kernel /UBLDR /UBLDR: No such file or directory qemu: could not load kernel '/UBLDR' ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ qemu-system-arm FreeBSD-BEAGLEBONE.img -kernel U-BOOT.IMG U-BOOT.IMG: No such file or directory qemu: could not load kernel 'U-BOOT.IMG' ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ .....and a few other variations. I have found things on line about booting GNU/Linux images in qemu and they look something like this: qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu cortex-a8 -kernel ./vmlinuz -hda rootfs.img -m 256 -append "root=/dev/sda mem=256M devtmpfs.mount=0 rw" So the big question is has anyone figured out the magic needed to boot the image in qemu? My MacBook seems not to want to mount the image that is in the root dir of the image. I have not tried to copy that to another BSD box yet due lack of space on my other box. I am trying to get a jump on my Beagle Project. -Brett -- wynkoop at wynn.com 917-642-6924 718-717-5435 From nycbug at wynn.com Thu Oct 18 12:54:02 2012 From: nycbug at wynn.com (Brett Wynkoop) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:54:02 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> <20121016142406.45348140@ivory.local> <20121016143132.6f3286ff@ivory.local> Message-ID: <20121018125402.4ca4668c@ivory.local> On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Matt Juszczak wrote: > > See http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/. If you need help after looking at that > > page let me know. Pretty straight forward. > > > > You can do zfs mirror or zfs stripped using that install image and > > your hardware. If you are i386 you need at least 512Mb memory....I > > know my x86 box crashed at 384M under heavy I/O load. > > > > The least I have run on AMD64 has been 4G and zfs is great that way. > > > > If you want to go the gmirror route google FreeBSD gmirror onlamp > > and you will get the article that I follow when I do gmirror > > installs. I can never remember all the details. > > The dedicated facility installing FreeBSD for us just reported back > for the final time: > > "I think we'll have to give up on FreeBSD 9. We tried cdboot, > bootonly ISOs on two separate chassis with and without RAID. Looks > like we just can't support that OS." > > I trust them a lot - they've never had any problems with FreeBSD > 8.x. Is FreBSD 9.x really that picky? I've installed it a few times > without issues. I'm wondering if the incorrect image is being used - > the box has 8 GB RAM, so I'm assuming the 64 bit OS (amd64) is > correct? > > -Matt Greeting- I suspect that they are doing something very wrong. Most NOC operators dislike doing anything outside what they usually do and are not very motivated to work with other things. Get them to set the disks as individual disks...put the raid controller in JBOD mode and boot the mfsbsd image. Once they have done that have them log in and configure the IP address, default route and resolv.conf. After that you can log into the box running against the CD via ssh with login: root password: mfsroot. Once you have done that you can inspect the system and see if the disks are seen by the system. If they are then /root/bin/destroygeom will wipe the disks and get them ready for install. You can then run /root/bin/zfsinstall to install the system. When the install is done you can chroot /mnt then add a user and set up rc.conf so that on reboot you can login via ssh as that user, then su (remember to put the user in group wheel) and finish setup, do portsnap fetch, build what you want. I have a little free time on my hands I can jump on the box booted from the CD and set it up for you if you need. Beyond that I can suggest a colo that can handle this type of install in the local area. I no longer work there, but I know the staff and most of them are much better than the average noc-monkey and I know they have done this type of install already. -Brett -- wynkoop at wynn.com 917-642-6924 718-717-5435 From gnn at neville-neil.com Thu Oct 18 13:37:19 2012 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:37:19 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] BeagleBone in qemu In-Reply-To: <20121018124414.03da470d@ivory.local> References: <20121018124414.03da470d@ivory.local> Message-ID: On Oct 18, 2012, at 12:44 , Brett Wynkoop wrote: > Greeting- > > I have been trying to boot the image that George sent the link to, but > qemu seems unhappy trying to boot it. > BTW You should probably join the arm@ mailing list for FreeBSD to get answers on this sort of stuff. There's a lot of work going on there with ARM, beagle, and Pi right now. qemu arm isn't running on my mac laptop atm, but I hope to play with that soon. Best, George > ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ qemu-system-arm FreeBSD-BEAGLEBONE.img > Kernel image must be specified > ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ > > Mounting the disk image shows us this: > > ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ ls /Volumes/BOOT > LOADER.HEL MLO U-BOOT.IMG UBLDR UENV.TXT > ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ > > So I tried the following: > > ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ qemu-system-arm FreeBSD-BEAGLEBONE.img > -kernel /UBLDR /UBLDR: No such file or directory > qemu: could not load kernel '/UBLDR' > ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ > > ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ qemu-system-arm FreeBSD-BEAGLEBONE.img > -kernel U-BOOT.IMG U-BOOT.IMG: No such file or directory > qemu: could not load kernel 'U-BOOT.IMG' > ivory:beaglebone wynkoop$ > > > .....and a few other variations. > > I have found things on line about booting GNU/Linux images in qemu and > they look something like this: > > > qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu cortex-a8 -kernel ./vmlinuz -hda > rootfs.img -m 256 -append "root=/dev/sda mem=256M devtmpfs.mount=0 rw" > > > So the big question is has anyone figured out the magic needed to boot > the image in qemu? My MacBook seems not to want to mount the image > that is in the root dir of the image. I have not tried to copy that to > another BSD box yet due lack of space on my other box. I am trying to > get a jump on my Beagle Project. > > -Brett > > -- > > wynkoop at wynn.com > 917-642-6924 > 718-717-5435 > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From nycbug at wynn.com Thu Oct 18 14:26:01 2012 From: nycbug at wynn.com (Brett Wynkoop) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:26:01 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] odd memory issue on Message-ID: <20121018142601.475b65eb@ivory.local> Greeting- I just had a 32 bit system lock up on me with the need to hit the power switch. I thought it was odd because I was doing very little on it, just an mv of some files from one filesystem to another. On rebooting I found this interesting bit of info: real memory = 805306368 (768 MB) avail memory = 238981120 (227 MB) This of course leads to: ZFS WARNING: Recommended minimum RAM size is 512MB; expect unstable behavior. ZFS WARNING: Recommended minimum kmem_size is 512MB; expect unstable behavior. Consider tuning vm.kmem_size and vm.kmem_size_max in /boot/loader.conf. Now the $1M question......why in the world is only 227MB available? I know I have not stolen all the other memory with stupid bios settings like giving it to video. Ideas or clues appreciated. -Brett -- wynkoop at wynn.com 917-642-6924 718-717-5435 From pete at nomadlogic.org Thu Oct 18 14:47:42 2012 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:47:42 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] odd memory issue on In-Reply-To: <20121018142601.475b65eb@ivory.local> References: <20121018142601.475b65eb@ivory.local> Message-ID: <50804ECE.5000107@nomadlogic.org> On 10/18/12 11:26, Brett Wynkoop wrote: > Greeting- > > I just had a 32 bit system lock up on me with the need to hit the power > switch. I thought it was odd because I was doing very little on it, > just an mv of some files from one filesystem to another. > > On rebooting I found this interesting bit of info: > > real memory = 805306368 (768 MB) > avail memory = 238981120 (227 MB) > > This of course leads to: > > ZFS WARNING: Recommended minimum RAM size is 512MB; expect unstable > behavior. ZFS WARNING: Recommended minimum kmem_size is 512MB; expect > unstable behavior. Consider tuning vm.kmem_size and vm.kmem_size_max > in /boot/loader.conf. > > > Now the $1M question......why in the world is only 227MB available? I > know I have not stolen all the other memory with stupid bios settings > like giving it to video. > > Ideas or clues appreciated. you check that you don't have any failed DIMM's, or DIMM's about to fail due to ECC issues? -p -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From jhb at freebsd.org Thu Oct 18 15:29:08 2012 From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:29:08 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] odd memory issue on In-Reply-To: <50804ECE.5000107@nomadlogic.org> References: <20121018142601.475b65eb@ivory.local> <50804ECE.5000107@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <201210181529.08033.jhb@freebsd.org> On Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:47:42 pm Pete Wright wrote: > On 10/18/12 11:26, Brett Wynkoop wrote: > > Greeting- > > > > I just had a 32 bit system lock up on me with the need to hit the power > > switch. I thought it was odd because I was doing very little on it, > > just an mv of some files from one filesystem to another. > > > > On rebooting I found this interesting bit of info: > > > > real memory = 805306368 (768 MB) > > avail memory = 238981120 (227 MB) > > > > This of course leads to: > > > > ZFS WARNING: Recommended minimum RAM size is 512MB; expect unstable > > behavior. ZFS WARNING: Recommended minimum kmem_size is 512MB; expect > > unstable behavior. Consider tuning vm.kmem_size and vm.kmem_size_max > > in /boot/loader.conf. > > > > > > Now the $1M question......why in the world is only 227MB available? I > > know I have not stolen all the other memory with stupid bios settings > > like giving it to video. > > > > Ideas or clues appreciated. > > you check that you don't have any failed DIMM's, or DIMM's about to fail > due to ECC issues? The real memory thing can lie a bit in modern versions since it is not based on a count of actual memory but based on what the SMBIOS tables say about the available RAM sticks. That said, when a DIMM fails I usually see it not be reported via SMBIOS either. Can you do a verbose boot and capture the 'SMAP=' lines at the very beginning (you'll have to page up on a VGA console or use a serial console, they are output too early to be captured in the message buffer dumped by 'dmesg')? Alternatively, I think there is a 'smap' or 'show smap' command in the loader that can dump these from the loader prompt (and then you can take a picture). Those lines will tell you how much RAM the BIOS really says is available to the OS as opposed to the sticks that SMBIOS says are installed. -- John Baldwin From nycbug at wynn.com Thu Oct 18 16:22:07 2012 From: nycbug at wynn.com (Brett Wynkoop) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:22:07 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] odd memory issue on In-Reply-To: <201210181529.08033.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <20121018142601.475b65eb@ivory.local> <50804ECE.5000107@nomadlogic.org> <201210181529.08033.jhb@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20121018162207.23b38627@ivory.local> On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:29:08 -0400 John Baldwin wrote: > The real memory thing can lie a bit in modern versions since it is > not based on a count of actual memory but based on what the SMBIOS > tables say about the available RAM sticks. That said, when a DIMM > fails I usually see it not be reported via SMBIOS either. Can you do > a verbose boot and capture the 'SMAP=' lines at the very beginning > (you'll have to page up on a VGA console or use a serial console, > they are output too early to be captured in the message buffer dumped > by 'dmesg')? Alternatively, I think there is a 'smap' or 'show smap' > command in the loader that can dump these from the loader prompt (and > then you can take a picture). Those lines will tell you how much RAM > the BIOS really says is available to the OS as opposed to the sticks > that SMBIOS says are installed. > Greeting- Great tip on the SMAP thing. I will take a look it and see what I figure out based on that. Thanks! -Brett -- wynkoop at wynn.com 917-642-6924 718-717-5435 From pete at nomadlogic.org Thu Oct 18 16:25:31 2012 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:25:31 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] odd memory issue on In-Reply-To: <201210181529.08033.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <20121018142601.475b65eb@ivory.local> <50804ECE.5000107@nomadlogic.org> <201210181529.08033.jhb@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <508065BB.1030706@nomadlogic.org> On 10/18/12 12:29, John Baldwin wrote: > On Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:47:42 pm Pete Wright wrote: >> On 10/18/12 11:26, Brett Wynkoop wrote: >>> Greeting- >>> >>> I just had a 32 bit system lock up on me with the need to hit the power >>> switch. I thought it was odd because I was doing very little on it, >>> just an mv of some files from one filesystem to another. >>> >>> On rebooting I found this interesting bit of info: >>> >>> real memory = 805306368 (768 MB) >>> avail memory = 238981120 (227 MB) >>> >>> This of course leads to: >>> >>> ZFS WARNING: Recommended minimum RAM size is 512MB; expect unstable >>> behavior. ZFS WARNING: Recommended minimum kmem_size is 512MB; expect >>> unstable behavior. Consider tuning vm.kmem_size and vm.kmem_size_max >>> in /boot/loader.conf. >>> >>> >>> Now the $1M question......why in the world is only 227MB available? I >>> know I have not stolen all the other memory with stupid bios settings >>> like giving it to video. >>> >>> Ideas or clues appreciated. >> you check that you don't have any failed DIMM's, or DIMM's about to fail >> due to ECC issues? > The real memory thing can lie a bit in modern versions since it is not based > on a count of actual memory but based on what the SMBIOS tables say about > the available RAM sticks. That said, when a DIMM fails I usually see it not > be reported via SMBIOS either. Can you do a verbose boot and capture the > 'SMAP=' lines at the very beginning (you'll have to page up on a VGA console > or use a serial console, they are output too early to be captured in the > message buffer dumped by 'dmesg')? Alternatively, I think there is a 'smap' > or 'show smap' command in the loader that can dump these from the loader > prompt (and then you can take a picture). Those lines will tell you how much > RAM the BIOS really says is available to the OS as opposed to the sticks that > SMBIOS says are installed. > along similar lines dmidecode(8) may be of help here as well. it's in ports/pkg's. -p -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From matt at atopia.net Fri Oct 19 12:22:51 2012 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> <20121016142406.45348140@ivory.local> <20121016143132.6f3286ff@ivory.local> Message-ID: Just a follow up on this thread -- The data center tried two different chasis, two different RAID cards, two different ISOs including the boot only. The install is still failing -- once they add the basic user, the install restarts itself. The box is a poweredge t110: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-t110/pd That should be compatible with the amd64 FreeBSD 9 image, right? From jpb at jimby.name Fri Oct 19 12:37:53 2012 From: jpb at jimby.name (Jimmy B.) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:37:53 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> <20121016142406.45348140@ivory.local> <20121016143132.6f3286ff@ivory.local> Message-ID: <20121019163753.GA42830@jimby.name> * Matt Juszczak [2012-10-19 12:23]: > Just a follow up on this thread -- > > The data center tried two different chasis, two different RAID cards, two > different ISOs including the boot only. The install is still failing -- > once they add the basic user, the install restarts itself. > > The box is a poweredge t110: > > http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-t110/pd > > That should be compatible with the amd64 FreeBSD 9 image, right? Hi Matt, I don't know about the hardware. One possibility you might try is to download and use the PC-BSD installer. It's a total rewrite of the install program and you can use it to install a stock FreeBSD server with no extra PC-BSD desktop bits. The download page is here: http://www.pcbsd.org/en/download.html and the docs (written by Dru) are here: http://wiki.pcbsd.org/index.php/PC-BSD_9_Handbook Given all the issues surrounding the current project installer you may find this a much more desirable option. Cheers, Jim B. From matt at atopia.net Fri Oct 19 12:48:08 2012 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: <20121019163753.GA42830@jimby.name> References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> <20121016142406.45348140@ivory.local> <20121016143132.6f3286ff@ivory.local> <20121019163753.GA42830@jimby.name> Message-ID: > Given all the issues surrounding the current project installer you may > find this a much more desirable option. How much longer will the 8.x branch be actively developed? At least a year? Could I have the data center setup 8.x now and then re-OS to 9.x once things become a bit more stable with the installer? I don't want 8.x to go end of life on me but if I have at least a year I can always worry about it next Summer... this server will just host email. -Matt From lists at eitanadler.com Fri Oct 19 12:53:26 2012 From: lists at eitanadler.com (Eitan Adler) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:53:26 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> <20121016142406.45348140@ivory.local> <20121016143132.6f3286ff@ivory.local> <20121019163753.GA42830@jimby.name> Message-ID: On 19 October 2012 12:48, Matt Juszczak wrote: >> Given all the issues surrounding the current project installer you may >> find this a much more desirable option. > > > How much longer will the 8.x branch be actively developed? At least a year? http://www.freebsd.org/security/#sup FreeBSD 8.3 will EOL on April 30, 2014 FreeBSD 8 will EOL at release of last release + 2 years > Could I have the data center setup 8.x now and then re-OS to 9.x once things > become a bit more stable with the installer? Yes. -- Eitan Adler From jhb at freebsd.org Fri Oct 19 15:27:46 2012 From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:27:46 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <201210191527.46044.jhb@freebsd.org> On Friday, October 19, 2012 12:22:51 pm Matt Juszczak wrote: > Just a follow up on this thread -- > > The data center tried two different chasis, two different RAID cards, two > different ISOs including the boot only. The install is still failing -- > once they add the basic user, the install restarts itself. > > The box is a poweredge t110: > > http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-t110/pd > > That should be compatible with the amd64 FreeBSD 9 image, right? Are you using 9.1 or 9.0? There are some reports that the 9.1 RC image isn't properly installing part of the boot code and that may explain this. gjb at FreeBSD.org is currently looking at that issue. -- John Baldwin From jhb at freebsd.org Fri Oct 19 16:37:07 2012 From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:37:07 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: <965039197-1350677690-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-950056454-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> References: <965039197-1350677690-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-950056454-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <201210191637.07149.jhb@freebsd.org> On Friday, October 19, 2012 4:14:49 pm Matt Juszczak wrote: > It was 9.0-RELEASE downloaded last week from freebsd.org. Hmm, I would still talk to Glen (cc'd) in case he has a workaround you can try. > Matt > > > ------Original Message------ > From: John Baldwin > To: talk at lists.nycbug.org > Cc: Matt Juszczak > Cc: Brett Wynkoop > Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure > Sent: Oct 19, 2012 3:27 PM > > On Friday, October 19, 2012 12:22:51 pm Matt Juszczak wrote: > > Just a follow up on this thread -- > > > > The data center tried two different chasis, two different RAID cards, two > > different ISOs including the boot only. The install is still failing -- > > once they add the basic user, the install restarts itself. > > > > The box is a poweredge t110: > > > > http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-t110/pd > > > > That should be compatible with the amd64 FreeBSD 9 image, right? > > Are you using 9.1 or 9.0? There are some reports that the 9.1 RC image > isn't properly installing part of the boot code and that may explain this. > gjb at FreeBSD.org is currently looking at that issue. > > -- > John Baldwin > > > -- John Baldwin From matt at atopia.net Fri Oct 19 16:14:49 2012 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 20:14:49 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure Message-ID: <965039197-1350677690-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-950056454-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> It was 9.0-RELEASE downloaded last week from freebsd.org. Matt ------Original Message------ From: John Baldwin To: talk at lists.nycbug.org Cc: Matt Juszczak Cc: Brett Wynkoop Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure Sent: Oct 19, 2012 3:27 PM On Friday, October 19, 2012 12:22:51 pm Matt Juszczak wrote: > Just a follow up on this thread -- > > The data center tried two different chasis, two different RAID cards, two > different ISOs including the boot only. The install is still failing -- > once they add the basic user, the install restarts itself. > > The box is a poweredge t110: > > http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/poweredge-t110/pd > > That should be compatible with the amd64 FreeBSD 9 image, right? Are you using 9.1 or 9.0? There are some reports that the 9.1 RC image isn't properly installing part of the boot code and that may explain this. gjb at FreeBSD.org is currently looking at that issue. -- John Baldwin From sjt.kar at gmail.com Fri Oct 19 22:27:30 2012 From: sjt.kar at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 07:57:30 +0530 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> <20121016142406.45348140@ivory.local> <20121016143132.6f3286ff@ivory.local> <20121019163753.GA42830@jimby.name> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Matt Juszczak wrote: >> Given all the issues surrounding the current project installer you may >> find this a much more desirable option. Found something interesting below. http://www.ateamsystems.com/blog/Installing-FreeBSD-9-gmirror-GPT-partitions-raid-1 -- -- Sujit K M blog(http://kmsujit.blogspot.com/) From gjb at FreeBSD.org Fri Oct 19 22:35:21 2012 From: gjb at FreeBSD.org (Glen Barber) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:35:21 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: References: <507C1247.90106@ceetonetechnology.com> <20121016142406.45348140@ivory.local> <20121016143132.6f3286ff@ivory.local> <20121019163753.GA42830@jimby.name> Message-ID: <20121020023521.GT1393@glenbarber.us> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 07:57:30AM +0530, Sujit K M wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Matt Juszczak wrote: > >> Given all the issues surrounding the current project installer you may > >> find this a much more desirable option. > > Found something interesting below. > > http://www.ateamsystems.com/blog/Installing-FreeBSD-9-gmirror-GPT-partitions-raid-1 > That would work, but does not help solve the ultimate cause of the problem in the installer. It's the only way the installer can be fixed (if it is indeed broken). Workarounds are great when they are absolutely necessary, but certainly not long-term solutions. Glen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The install is > > still failing -- once they add the basic user, the install restarts > > itself. > > > > The box is a poweredge t110: I have installed FreeBSD9 on that exact same box using the MFSBSD disk. Did you try the MFSBSD disk? Like I said do not have the NOC MONKEY do the install just have him boot the box and configure the IP address so you can ssh in. Then the install is pretty simple. Or if you want me to take care of it I have some spare bandwidth these days. -Brett -- wynkoop at wynn.com 917-642-6924 718-717-5435 From matt at atopia.net Sat Oct 20 14:34:13 2012 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 9 installation failure In-Reply-To: <20121020040440.2cd41f5c@ivory.local> References: <257236376-1350281132-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1356478233-@b5.c7.bise6.blackberry> <201210191527.46044.jhb@freebsd.org> <20121020040440.2cd41f5c@ivory.local> Message-ID: > Or if you want me to take care of it I have some spare bandwidth these > days. Turns out this was just bad hardware on chasis #1, and a bad RAID setup on chasis #2. For chasis #2, it was interesting that the install simply restarted itself, instead of erroring out that it had no where to write to. All is well now. Thanks to everyone for their assistance - Brett, John, gjb, Glen, Eitan, Jimmy, etc. Appreciate it! -Matt From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Oct 24 10:57:52 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:57:52 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fwd: Re: BSD licensed Broadcom VideoCore driver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <508801F0.7090608@ceetonetechnology.com> For those no on FBSD-arm, interesting news from RaspberryPi. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: BSD licensed Broadcom VideoCore driver Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:51:21 -0400 From: George Neville-Neil To: Adrian Chadd wrote: > On 24 October 2012 04:23, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: >> Hello, >> The rpi foundation just posted this up. >> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221 > > Ok, so the GPU is still the big binary blob, but the userland graphics > chunk is now not a binary blob. Cool. > Yes, this is, I hope, in part due to my talking to them when I was in Cambridge. At least they sent me a direct email about it as well. We should see how to get this stuff in, as there are lots of great things we can do, and people we can get working on FreeBSD, if we have this in place. Best, George _______________________________________________ freebsd-arm at freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arm To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arm-unsubscribe at freebsd.org" From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed Oct 24 13:17:44 2012 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:17:44 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fwd: Re: BSD licensed Broadcom VideoCore driver In-Reply-To: <508801F0.7090608@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <508801F0.7090608@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <508822B8.6010100@nomadlogic.org> hey, that's fantastic! thanks for the heads-up gman. -p On 10/24/12 07:57, George Rosamond wrote: > For those no on FBSD-arm, interesting news from RaspberryPi. > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: BSD licensed Broadcom VideoCore driver > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:51:21 -0400 > From: George Neville-Neil > To: Adrian Chadd CC: freebsd-arm at fre > > > On Oct 24, 2012, at 09:38 , Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> On 24 October 2012 04:23, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: >>> Hello, >>> The rpi foundation just posted this up. >>> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221 >> >> Ok, so the GPU is still the big binary blob, but the userland graphics >> chunk is now not a binary blob. Cool. >> > Yes, this is, I hope, in part due to my talking to them when I was in > Cambridge. > At least they sent me a direct email about it as well. We should see > how to get this stuff in, as there are lots of great things we can do, > and people we can get working on FreeBSD, if we have this in place. > > Best, > George > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-arm at freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arm > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-arm-unsubscribe at freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From matt at atopia.net Wed Oct 24 19:05:08 2012 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] X11 installed anyway?? Message-ID: On my latest FreeBSD 9.0 machine, I added: WITHOUT_X11=TRUE to /etc/make.conf. Yet for some reason, after installing many of the ports I needed, I have: localhost# ls /var/db/pkg | grep -ir libx libX11-1.4.4,1 libXau-1.0.6 libXcomposite-0.4.3,1 libXcursor-1.1.12 libXdamage-1.1.3 libXdmcp-1.1.0 libXext-1.3.0_1,1 libXfixes-5.0 libXfont-1.4.4_1,1 libXi-1.4.5,1 libXinerama-1.1.1,1 libXmu-1.1.0,1 libXrandr-1.3.2 libXrender-0.9.6 libXt-1.1.1,1 libxcb-1.7 libxml2-2.7.8_5 libxslt-1.1.26_3 These were not on my other box, which also has the same make.conf settings. What did I do wrong? Also, can someone throw me some advice on the best way to clean this up? This box is just a server accessed by console... no X libraries needed. -Matt From gjb at FreeBSD.org Wed Oct 24 19:18:02 2012 From: gjb at FreeBSD.org (Glen Barber) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:18:02 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] X11 installed anyway?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20121024231802.GA1381@glenbarber.us> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 07:05:08PM -0400, Matt Juszczak wrote: > On my latest FreeBSD 9.0 machine, I added: > > WITHOUT_X11=TRUE > > to /etc/make.conf. > > Yet for some reason, after installing many of the ports I needed, I have: > > localhost# ls /var/db/pkg | grep -ir libx > libX11-1.4.4,1 > libXau-1.0.6 > libXcomposite-0.4.3,1 > libXcursor-1.1.12 > libXdamage-1.1.3 > libXdmcp-1.1.0 > libXext-1.3.0_1,1 > libXfixes-5.0 > libXfont-1.4.4_1,1 > libXi-1.4.5,1 > libXinerama-1.1.1,1 > libXmu-1.1.0,1 > libXrandr-1.3.2 > libXrender-0.9.6 > libXt-1.1.1,1 > libxcb-1.7 > libxml2-2.7.8_5 > libxslt-1.1.26_3 > > These were not on my other box, which also has the same make.conf > settings. What did I do wrong? Also, can someone throw me some advice on > the best way to clean this up? This box is just a server accessed by > console... no X libraries needed. > What does 'pkg_info -R' for those packages suggest? Some things require X libaries for fonts, etc. (such as rrdtool, for example). Glen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lists at eitanadler.com Wed Oct 24 23:38:55 2012 From: lists at eitanadler.com (Eitan Adler) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 23:38:55 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] X11 installed anyway?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 24 October 2012 19:05, Matt Juszczak wrote: > On my latest FreeBSD 9.0 machine, I added: > > WITHOUT_X11=TRUE Try adding OPTIONS_UNSET= X11 to /etc/make.conf -- Eitan Adler From matt at atopia.net Thu Oct 25 09:29:55 2012 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] X11 installed anyway?? In-Reply-To: <20121024231802.GA1381@glenbarber.us> References: <20121024231802.GA1381@glenbarber.us> Message-ID: > What does 'pkg_info -R' for those packages suggest? Some things require > X libaries for fonts, etc. (such as rrdtool, for example). Looks like the boinc_client and boinc setiathome project required all of the libraries. It ended up installing 100+ of them. Weird, it never did that on my old servers and always worked with WITHOUT_X11.... From nycbug at wynn.com Thu Oct 25 11:23:02 2012 From: nycbug at wynn.com (nycbug at wynn.com) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] X11 installed anyway?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201210251523.q9PFN2Tw092088@mail.wynn.com> Greeting- I am in the middle of installing ejabberd on a headless server and it seems to need X libraries too. It would be nice if authors actually thought about these things when they were coding. -Brett From okan at demirmen.com Thu Oct 25 11:37:03 2012 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:37:03 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] X11 installed anyway?? In-Reply-To: <201210251523.q9PFN2Tw092088@mail.wynn.com> References: <201210251523.q9PFN2Tw092088@mail.wynn.com> Message-ID: <20121025153703.GC10135@clam.khaoz.org> On Thu 2012.10.25 at 11:23 -0400, nycbug at wynn.com wrote: > Greeting- > > I am in the middle of installing ejabberd on a headless server and it seems to > need X libraries too. > > It would be nice if authors actually thought about these things when they > were coding. I've seen similar threads to this from time to time. I have to ask: why do so many people have an issue with a letter from our alphabet, namely the letter "x"? Running an X server is so very different than requiring libXblah. What is the "issue" that authors need to think about when coding here? From nycbug at wynn.com Thu Oct 25 12:35:23 2012 From: nycbug at wynn.com (Brett Wynkoop) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:35:23 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] X11 installed anyway?? In-Reply-To: <20121025153703.GC10135@clam.khaoz.org> References: <201210251523.q9PFN2Tw092088@mail.wynn.com> <20121025153703.GC10135@clam.khaoz.org> Message-ID: <20121025123523.1cce76de@ivory.wynn.com> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:37:03 -0400 Okan Demirmen wrote: > I've seen similar threads to this from time to time. I have to ask: > why do so many people have an issue with a letter from our alphabet, > namely the letter "x"? > > Running an X server is so very different than requiring libXblah. > > What is the "issue" that authors need to think about when coding here? Greeting- X libraries add to the amount of space that is needed for a system. Some of us run very lean systems on very small embedded boxes and prefer lean software over software that is carrying around a bunch of stuff for a graphics system that we will never be making use of on the systems in question. Of course there is also the memory foot print of pulling several X libs into memory for, in some cases, one function in each. Those of us who are minimalists do not like loading extra cruft on our small systems. In my case the jabber server will probably never do anything graphic, so I am at a loss as to why at the moment I see loads of X stuff building. I am going to let it run it's course and if I do not like what I see when it is done I will zero the system out and build a different jabber server. ===> Registering installation for bitstream-vera-1.10_5 seems unneeded to me, but what the heck I am just an old school system admin who can code. -Brett -- wynkoop at wynn.com 917-642-6924 718-717-5435 From nycbug at wynn.com Thu Oct 25 13:11:01 2012 From: nycbug at wynn.com (Brett Wynkoop) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:11:01 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] X11 installed anyway?? In-Reply-To: <20121025123523.1cce76de@ivory.wynn.com> References: <201210251523.q9PFN2Tw092088@mail.wynn.com> <20121025153703.GC10135@clam.khaoz.org> <20121025123523.1cce76de@ivory.wynn.com> Message-ID: <20121025131101.3c29c2fa@ivory.wynn.com> On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:35:23 -0400 Brett Wynkoop wrote: > On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:37:03 -0400 > Okan Demirmen wrote: > > > > I've seen similar threads to this from time to time. I have to ask: > > why do so many people have an issue with a letter from our alphabet, > > namely the letter "x"? > > > > Running an X server is so very different than requiring libXblah. > > > > What is the "issue" that authors need to think about when coding > > here? Take a look at this: ===> Generating temporary packing list ===> Checking if graphics/gtk-update-icon-cache already installed ===> Compressing manual pages for gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.6_1 ===> Running ldconfig /sbin/ldconfig -m /usr/local/lib ===> Registering installation for gtk-update-icon-cache-2.24.6_1 ===> Returning to build of gtk-2.24.6_2 ===> gtk-2.24.6_2 depends on shared library: intl - found ===> gtk-2.24.6_2 depends on shared library: atk-1.0.0 - found ===> gtk-2.24.6_2 depends on shared library: gdk_pixbuf-2.0.0 - found ===> gtk-2.24.6_2 depends on shared library: glib-2.0.0 - found ===> gtk-2.24.6_2 depends on shared library: pango-1.0.0 - found ===> Configuring for gtk-2.24.6_2 gtk-2.24.6_2: Needs cairo build with X11 support. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/devel/gconf2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/devel/gconf2. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/wxgtk28-unicode. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/x11-toolkits/wxgtk28-unicode. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/lang/erlang. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/lang/erlang. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/net-im/ejabberd. *** Error code 1 Stop in /basejail/usr/ports/net-im/ejabberd. [root at vprd1 /usr/ports/net-im/ejabberd]# Needless to say I will not be using ejabberd. It makes no sense that a jabber server needs GTK! Now time to rollback the zfs filesystem of that jail to the point before I started the build and start clean with a different jabber server install. -Brett -- wynkoop at wynn.com 917-642-6924 718-717-5435 From pete at nomadlogic.org Thu Oct 25 13:14:11 2012 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:14:11 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] X11 installed anyway?? In-Reply-To: <201210251523.q9PFN2Tw092088@mail.wynn.com> References: <201210251523.q9PFN2Tw092088@mail.wynn.com> Message-ID: <50897363.1080500@nomadlogic.org> On 10/25/12 08:23, nycbug at wynn.com wrote: > Greeting- > > I am in the middle of installing ejabberd on a headless server and it seems to > need X libraries too. > > It would be nice if authors actually thought about these things when they > were coding. I am %99 sure that ejabberd needs various X rendering libraries for fonts the webUI utilizes. -p -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From pete at nomadlogic.org Thu Oct 25 13:23:33 2012 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:23:33 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] X11 installed anyway?? In-Reply-To: <50897363.1080500@nomadlogic.org> References: <201210251523.q9PFN2Tw092088@mail.wynn.com> <50897363.1080500@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <50897595.8010108@nomadlogic.org> On 10/25/12 10:14, Pete Wright wrote: > On 10/25/12 08:23, nycbug at wynn.com wrote: >> Greeting- >> >> I am in the middle of installing ejabberd on a headless server and it >> seems to >> need X libraries too. >> >> It would be nice if authors actually thought about these things when >> they >> were coding. > > I am %99 sure that ejabberd needs various X rendering libraries for > fonts the webUI utilizes. > which i should add this is all hidden if you are running a java implementation of a XMMP daemon (openfire for example) as those libraries are either part of the base JRE or bundled as jar files w/ the app itself. if you really want a lean XMMP implementation you may need to look at jabberd2: https://github.com/Jabberd2/jabberd2 although you loose all of the greatness of erlang/mnesia for distributed xmmp deployments (i've done it, it's great for organizations with multiple offices around the globe), and ease of management that openfire could potentially give you (AD integration for example). anywho...different strokes for different folks... -p -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From okan at demirmen.com Thu Oct 25 13:49:09 2012 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:49:09 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] X11 installed anyway?? In-Reply-To: <20121025131101.3c29c2fa@ivory.wynn.com> References: <201210251523.q9PFN2Tw092088@mail.wynn.com> <20121025153703.GC10135@clam.khaoz.org> <20121025123523.1cce76de@ivory.wynn.com> <20121025131101.3c29c2fa@ivory.wynn.com> Message-ID: <20121025174908.GB24582@clam.khaoz.org> On Thu 2012.10.25 at 13:11 -0400, Brett Wynkoop wrote: > On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:35:23 -0400 > Brett Wynkoop wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:37:03 -0400 > > Okan Demirmen wrote: > > > > > > > I've seen similar threads to this from time to time. I have to ask: > > > why do so many people have an issue with a letter from our alphabet, > > > namely the letter "x"? > > > > > > Running an X server is so very different than requiring libXblah. > > > > > > What is the "issue" that authors need to think about when coding > > > here? > > Take a look at this: [snip] > Needless to say I will not be using ejabberd. It makes no sense that a > jabber server needs GTK! > > Now time to rollback the zfs filesystem of that jail to the point > before I started the build and start clean with a different jabber > server install. I won't comment on the choice of software - that is something you have. However, what you are running into above does not seem like an "issue" with ejabberd, but rather the packaging system that is being used. Has the port maintainer, or in general, the ports tree that is in-use, been considered as a contact point instead? >From *another* point of view, ejabberd needs the following libs: expat crypto ssl z iconv and of course, just plain erlang. My point here is that ejabberd might not be your issue... From spork at bway.net Thu Oct 25 14:23:02 2012 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 14:23:02 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] X11 installed anyway?? In-Reply-To: <50897595.8010108@nomadlogic.org> References: <201210251523.q9PFN2Tw092088@mail.wynn.com> <50897363.1080500@nomadlogic.org> <50897595.8010108@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <2084826D-96D1-4337-813F-74C5246DCF4B@bway.net> On Oct 25, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > On 10/25/12 10:14, Pete Wright wrote: >> On 10/25/12 08:23, nycbug at wynn.com wrote: >>> Greeting- >>> >>> I am in the middle of installing ejabberd on a headless server and it seems to >>> need X libraries too. >>> >>> It would be nice if authors actually thought about these things when they >>> were coding. >> >> I am %99 sure that ejabberd needs various X rendering libraries for fonts the webUI utilizes. >> > which i should add this is all hidden if you are running a java implementation of a XMMP daemon (openfire for example) as those libraries are either part of the base JRE or bundled as jar files w/ the app itself. Yeah, but then you have to install Java. :) > if you really want a lean XMMP implementation you may need to look at jabberd2: > https://github.com/Jabberd2/jabberd2 > > although you loose all of the greatness of erlang/mnesia for distributed xmmp deployments (i've done it, it's great for organizations with multiple offices around the globe), and ease of management that openfire could potentially give you (AD integration for example). Just a random datapoint, but I have ejabberd 2.1.9 installed from ports (including the web interface) and it brought in no X stuff at all: [spork at jab ~]$ pkg_info -r /var/db/pkg/ejabberd-2.1.9 Information for ejabberd-2.1.9: Depends on: Dependency: expat-2.0.1_2 Dependency: perl-5.12.4_3 Dependency: erlang-r14b04_1,1 Dependency: libiconv-1.13.1_2 Looking at 2.1.11, I'm not seeing any radical differences that would require any X-related libs. FWIW, this box also has apache, php and some other misc. junk, but no X libs whatsoever. > anywho...different strokes for different folks... The only package that really ticks me off as far as an insane list of dependencies is rrdtool. This is so it can have pretty fonts: Information for rrdtool-1.4.5: Depends on: Dependency: font-util-1.2.0 Dependency: encodings-1.0.4,1 Dependency: expat-2.0.1_2 Dependency: python27-2.7.2_4 Dependency: perl-5.12.4_4 Dependency: png-1.5.12 Dependency: pkgconf-0.8.9 Dependency: pixman-0.24.2 Dependency: freetype2-2.4.7 Dependency: fontconfig-2.8.0_1,1 Dependency: bitstream-vera-1.10_5 Dependency: xproto-7.0.22 Dependency: libfontenc-1.1.0 Dependency: mkfontscale-1.0.9 Dependency: mkfontdir-1.0.6 Dependency: libXdmcp-1.1.0 Dependency: libXau-1.0.6 Dependency: font-misc-meltho-1.0.3 Dependency: font-misc-ethiopic-1.0.3 Dependency: font-bh-ttf-1.0.3 Dependency: xorg-fonts-truetype-7.5.1 Dependency: pcre-8.30_1 Dependency: libpthread-stubs-0.3_3 Dependency: libxcb-1.7 Dependency: xcb-util-0.3.8,1 Dependency: xcb-util-renderutil-0.3.8 Dependency: libffi-3.0.9 Dependency: libiconv-1.13.1_2 Dependency: libxml2-2.7.8_2 Dependency: gettext-0.18.1.1 Dependency: glib-2.28.8_4 Dependency: gamin-0.1.10_4 Dependency: gio-fam-backend-2.28.8_1 Dependency: gobject-introspection-0.10.8_2 Dependency: cairo-1.10.2_3,1 Dependency: pango-1.28.4 > -p > > -- > Pete Wright > pete at nomadlogic.org > twitter => @nomadlogicLA > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From ike at blackskyresearch.net Tue Oct 30 09:21:48 2012 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:21:48 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Post-Hurricane Roll Call Message-ID: <1351603322-5071558.34081192.fq9UDLmK5003901@rs139.luxsci.com> Hey Folks, Just a quick shout for roll-call to see that folks are OK- Also, been looking for Pilosoft- I don't have Alex's number any more, but for those of you who know him, it seems his facility at 55 broad is under water? http://pilosoft.com http://nylug.org etc? Any news appreciated- I'm worried about Alex! Best, .ike From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Oct 30 09:22:48 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:22:48 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] post-Sandy status Message-ID: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> Just opening up a 'status' thread here. How is everyone? g From robin.polak at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 09:50:38 2012 From: robin.polak at gmail.com (Robin Polak) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:50:38 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Post-Hurricane Roll Call In-Reply-To: <1351603322-5071558.34081192.fq9UDLmK5003901@rs139.luxsci.com> References: <1351603322-5071558.34081192.fq9UDLmK5003901@rs139.luxsci.com> Message-ID: Jersey city was hit hard but nothing crazy. Amazingly enough my facility on the water front wasn't breached. The water came very close though. Roads certainly flooded. 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Datapipe? g From billtotman at billtotman.com Tue Oct 30 10:23:50 2012 From: billtotman at billtotman.com (Bill Totman) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:23:50 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] post-Sandy status In-Reply-To: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <4967D08D-261D-49CD-8E18-F1C2FD9DC48A@billtotman.com> On Oct 30, 2012, at 9:22 AM, George Rosamond wrote: > Just opening up a 'status' thread here. > > How is everyone? > > g > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk All good at 1st Ave and 73rd St. Water, Power, Gas, Internet, & Cable. -bt From robin.polak at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 10:41:21 2012 From: robin.polak at gmail.com (Robin Polak) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:41:21 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Post-Hurricane Roll Call In-Reply-To: <508FDE12.70800@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <1351603322-5071558.34081192.fq9UDLmK5003901@rs139.luxsci.com> <508FDE12.70800@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: We have our own colo within Harborside Financial Center Plaza 10. On Oct 30, 2012 10:22 AM, "George Rosamond" wrote: > On 10/30/12 09:50, Robin Polak wrote: > >> Jersey city was hit hard but nothing crazy. Amazingly enough my facility >> on the water front wasn't breached. The water came very close though. >> Roads certainly flooded. >> > > Datapipe? > > g > > ______________________________**_________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/**mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some of us are on efnet #nycbug. /topic Cloud anti-marketing 101 g From ike at blackskyresearch.net Tue Oct 30 10:43:55 2012 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:43:55 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] post-Sandy status In-Reply-To: <4967D08D-261D-49CD-8E18-F1C2FD9DC48A@billtotman.com> References: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> <4967D08D-261D-49CD-8E18-F1C2FD9DC48A@billtotman.com> Message-ID: <1351608242-151160.069936516.fq9UEhtJ9026095@rs139.luxsci.com> All good here-, BWay.net DSL UP, TWC Cable UP, Electricity, Gas, Water - Williamsburg BK South Side -- Lost both inet for a while after 2am last night, local link up, was likely 111 8th ave issues for DSL - not sure for cable but lots of local reports that cable went offline Best, .ike On Oct 30, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Bill Totman wrote: > On Oct 30, 2012, at 9:22 AM, George Rosamond wrote: > >> Just opening up a 'status' thread here. >> >> How is everyone? >> >> g >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > All good at 1st Ave and 73rd St. > > Water, Power, Gas, Internet, & Cable. > > -bt > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > From jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com Tue Oct 30 10:53:14 2012 From: jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com (Jerry B. Altzman) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:53:14 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Post-Hurricane Roll Call In-Reply-To: <1351603322-5071558.34081192.fq9UDLmK5003901@rs139.luxsci.com> References: <1351603322-5071558.34081192.fq9UDLmK5003901@rs139.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <508FE9DA.3010205@3phasecomputing.com> on 10/30/2012 9:21 AM Isaac (.ike) Levy said the following: > Just a quick shout for roll-call to see that folks are OK- /me raises hand. 3" of water in the basemnt,but otherwise . > Also, been looking for Pilosoft- I don't have Alex's number any more, but for those of you who know him, it seems his facility at 55 broad is under water? > http://pilosoft.com > http://nylug.org He claimed last night that he had power on generator and was hanging out at 55B. > .ike //jbaltz -- jerry b. altzman jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com +1 718 763 7405 x112 http://www.linkedin.com/in/lorvax twitter: @jbaltz3phase From ike at blackskyresearch.net Tue Oct 30 11:13:13 2012 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:13:13 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Post-Hurricane Roll Call In-Reply-To: <1351603322-5071558.34081192.fq9UDLmK5003901@rs139.luxsci.com> References: <1351603322-5071558.34081192.fq9UDLmK5003901@rs139.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <1351610043-1172785.03618832.fq9UFDEFw023040@rs139.luxsci.com> On Oct 30, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > Also, been looking for Pilosoft- I don't have Alex's number any more, but for those of you who know him, it seems his facility at 55 broad is under water? > > http://pilosoft.com > http://nylug.org > > etc? > > Any news appreciated- I'm worried about Alex! Alex Pilosov alive- whew- Someone hit me with Alex's cell, txt message to him, he replied as OK- will wait for news on 55 broad later. Rocket- .ike From spork at bway.net Tue Oct 30 11:24:01 2012 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:24:01 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Post-Hurricane Roll Call In-Reply-To: <1351603322-5071558.34081192.fq9UDLmK5003901@rs139.luxsci.com> References: <1351603322-5071558.34081192.fq9UDLmK5003901@rs139.luxsci.com> Message-ID: It sucks to have an apartment where heat, hot water and the stove are all electric. And AT&T is woefully under provisioned. If my Internet sucked less, I'd send a picture of the marine battery contraption that's keeping this phone working. Oh, and FU Apple for requiring 16V to power a laptop. And FU Zyxel for making a DSL modem that wants 16V AC. On the operations front, saw all lower manhattan metro-e custs drop last night and Covad is having problems everywhere. Hope everyone is well! C Sent from a device with a tiny keyboard On Oct 30, 2012, at 9:21 AM, "Isaac (.ike) Levy" wrote: > Hey Folks, > > Just a quick shout for roll-call to see that folks are OK- > > Also, been looking for Pilosoft- I don't have Alex's number any more, but for those of you who know him, it seems his facility at 55 broad is under water? > > http://pilosoft.com > http://nylug.org > > etc? > > Any news appreciated- I'm worried about Alex! > > Best, > .ike > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Oct 30 11:55:08 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:55:08 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Post-Hurricane Roll Call In-Reply-To: References: <1351603322-5071558.34081192.fq9UDLmK5003901@rs139.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <508FF85C.20704@ceetonetechnology.com> On 10/30/12 11:24, Charles Sprickman wrote: > It sucks to have an apartment where heat, hot water and the stove are all electric. And AT&T is woefully under provisioned. > > If my Internet sucked less, I'd send a picture of the marine battery contraption that's keeping this phone working. Oh, and FU Apple for requiring 16V to power a laptop. And FU Zyxel for making a DSL modem that wants 16V AC. > > On the operations front, saw all lower manhattan metro-e custs drop last night and Covad is having problems everywhere. > > Hope everyone is well! Ahh, it only get worse in the future. They eliminated analog TV. 2g wireless will be history ("can do my iFaceBook on that slow a connection") Overbuilding means less ability for groundwater to be absorbed, thus flooding where floods were rare. Very true in NYC suburbs. And everything will be stored in the "clouds" which Okan says means "a data center in Virginia." The good thing about the cloud is that it only goes down when the sun is out ;) Other than that, we all have a lot to be optimistic about! g From gnn at neville-neil.com Tue Oct 30 11:58:37 2012 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:58:37 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] post-Sandy status In-Reply-To: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <65F34BA3-22D1-4DA0-B005-E1A107399794@neville-neil.com> On Oct 30, 2012, at 09:22 , George Rosamond wrote: > Just opening up a 'status' thread here. > > How is everyone? Downtown Brooklyn is fine. Power and Internet remained on. Best, George From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Oct 30 12:02:15 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:02:15 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] post-Sandy status In-Reply-To: <65F34BA3-22D1-4DA0-B005-E1A107399794@neville-neil.com> References: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> <65F34BA3-22D1-4DA0-B005-E1A107399794@neville-neil.com> Message-ID: <508FFA07.6030703@ceetonetechnology.com> On 10/30/12 11:58, George Neville-Neil wrote: > > On Oct 30, 2012, at 09:22 , George Rosamond wrote: > >> Just opening up a 'status' thread here. >> >> How is everyone? > > Downtown Brooklyn is fine. Power and Internet remained on. That depends where you are. There was heavy flooding in Carroll Gardens area. DUMBO carousel was under water, if the picture wasn't fake. No TW cable in many places (which covers south of Flatbush ave) But we're fine :) g From marcus.james at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 12:48:09 2012 From: marcus.james at gmail.com (James Marcus) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:48:09 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] post-Sandy status In-Reply-To: <508FFA07.6030703@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> <65F34BA3-22D1-4DA0-B005-E1A107399794@neville-neil.com> <508FFA07.6030703@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: No power 37th and 3rd. Think the office will be closed for another day, its on 22nd and Flatiron. James On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:02 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > On 10/30/12 11:58, George Neville-Neil wrote: >> >> >> On Oct 30, 2012, at 09:22 , George Rosamond >> wrote: >> >>> Just opening up a 'status' thread here. >>> >>> How is everyone? >> >> >> Downtown Brooklyn is fine. Power and Internet remained on. > > > That depends where you are. There was heavy flooding in Carroll Gardens > area. DUMBO carousel was under water, if the picture wasn't fake. > > No TW cable in many places (which covers south of Flatbush ave) > > But we're fine :) > > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From scottro at nyc.rr.com Tue Oct 30 11:51:07 2012 From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:51:07 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] post-Sandy status In-Reply-To: <4967D08D-261D-49CD-8E18-F1C2FD9DC48A@billtotman.com> References: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> <4967D08D-261D-49CD-8E18-F1C2FD9DC48A@billtotman.com> Message-ID: <20121030155107.GA10328@scott1.scottro.net> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:23:50AM -0400, Bill Totman wrote: > On Oct 30, 2012, at 9:22 AM, George Rosamond wrote: > > > Just opening up a 'status' thread here. > > > > How is everyone? 52nd and 10th, all good, no interruption in water, power, or Internet. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Buffy: I told one lie... I had one drink... Giles: Yes. And you were very nearly devoured by a giant demon snake. The words, 'Let that be a lesson' are a tad redundant at this juncture. From bschonhorst at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 13:54:08 2012 From: bschonhorst at gmail.com (Brad Schonhorst) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:54:08 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] post-Sandy status In-Reply-To: References: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> <65F34BA3-22D1-4DA0-B005-E1A107399794@neville-neil.com> <508FFA07.6030703@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:48 PM, James Marcus wrote: > No power 37th and 3rd. Think the office will be closed for another > day, its on 22nd and Flatiron. > > James > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:02 PM, George Rosamond > wrote: >> On 10/30/12 11:58, George Neville-Neil wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 09:22 , George Rosamond >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Just opening up a 'status' thread here. >>>> >>>> How is everyone? >>> >>> >>> Downtown Brooklyn is fine. Power and Internet remained on. >> >> >> That depends where you are. There was heavy flooding in Carroll Gardens >> area. DUMBO carousel was under water, if the picture wasn't fake. >> >> No TW cable in many places (which covers south of Flatbush ave) >> >> But we're fine :) >> >> >> g Hey all, Its been a while since I posted or saw any of you guys. Hope the NYC crew is ok after the storm. I'm in DC area (Maryland) now and we got hit pretty hard. I got lucky and have power but a leaky roof. Hope everyone is in good shape! Brad From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue Oct 30 14:14:18 2012 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:14:18 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] post-Sandy status In-Reply-To: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <509018FA.6080104@nomadlogic.org> On 10/30/12 06:22, George Rosamond wrote: > Just opening up a 'status' thread here. > > How is everyone? > Was really impressed to see that NYI is up and running w/o downtime: http://www.nyistatus.com/ Good luck out there east coasters! -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From crossd at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:39:42 2012 From: crossd at gmail.com (Dan Cross) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:39:42 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] post-Sandy status In-Reply-To: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: 150th St between 7th and 8th is all good: water, electric, gas and Internet. TV is for chumps. :-) (No seriously, I just don't own a TV.) On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 9:22 AM, George Rosamond wrote: > Just opening up a 'status' thread here. > > How is everyone? > > g > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From thornton.richard at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:49:29 2012 From: thornton.richard at gmail.com (Richard Thornton) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:49:29 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] post-Sandy status In-Reply-To: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: Slow going in Mercer, Princeton area. No power, candles, coffee, cheese, and cell phone internet charged in car. On Oct 30, 2012 10:00 AM, "George Rosamond" wrote: > Just opening up a 'status' thread here. > > How is everyone? > > g > ______________________________**_________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/**mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raulcuza at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 14:53:22 2012 From: raulcuza at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ra=C3=BAl_Cuza?=) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:53:22 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] post-Sandy status In-Reply-To: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <99710FB6-82C0-4BDD-9C8D-F95007DE44F1@gmail.com> On Oct 30, 2012, at 9:22, George Rosamond wrote: > Just opening up a 'status' thread here. > > How is everyone? > > g > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk Flatbush Brooklyn weathered the storm well. It is a hurricane evacuation site I guess for a good reason. Lots of trees down everywhere I biked today. 23rd and FDR on the little island did not fare so well. My $work, on pier over East River, was spared internal flooding except for the mechanical room in the basement. We'll probably be out of power until the salt water damage can be repaired. Boats on the docks next to our building look to be in good shape. A guard who spent the night in the building (did no one mention the evacuation order?) said the captain was 'piloting' the boat all night so it wouldn't get washed ashore. Washed away car damage was visible all the way to 1st avenue. I saw pickings blocking the road. Ra?l Sent from a mobile eMate 300 From akosela at andykosela.com Tue Oct 30 15:17:44 2012 From: akosela at andykosela.com (Andy Kosela) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:17:44 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] post-Sandy status In-Reply-To: <99710FB6-82C0-4BDD-9C8D-F95007DE44F1@gmail.com> References: <508FD4A8.2040907@ceetonetechnology.com> <99710FB6-82C0-4BDD-9C8D-F95007DE44F1@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Ra?l Cuza wrote: > On Oct 30, 2012, at 9:22, George Rosamond wrote: > >> Just opening up a 'status' thread here. >> >> How is everyone? >> >> g >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > Flatbush Brooklyn weathered the storm well. It is a hurricane evacuation site I guess for a good reason. Lots of trees down everywhere I biked today. > > 23rd and FDR on the little island did not fare so well. My $work, on pier over East River, was spared internal flooding except for the mechanical room in the basement. We'll probably be out of power until the salt water damage can be repaired. Boats on the docks next to our building look to be in good shape. A guard who spent the night in the building (did no one mention the evacuation order?) said the captain was 'piloting' the boat all night so it wouldn't get washed ashore. Washed away car damage was visible all the way to 1st avenue. I saw pickings blocking the road. > > Ra?l > > Sent from a mobile eMate 300 All I can say is -- stay strong New York! From what i see Sandy is heading west so we (in TN) might get hit by it too... --Andy From mspitzer at gmail.com Tue Oct 30 18:16:22 2012 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:16:22 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Post-Hurricane Roll Call In-Reply-To: <1351603322-5071558.34081192.fq9UDLmK5003901@rs139.luxsci.com> References: <1351603322-5071558.34081192.fq9UDLmK5003901@rs139.luxsci.com> Message-ID: In Tokyo waiting on the status of the apartment and the cat On Oct 30, 2012 10:44 PM, "Isaac (.ike) Levy" wrote: > Hey Folks, > > Just a quick shout for roll-call to see that folks are OK- > > Also, been looking for Pilosoft- I don't have Alex's number any more, but > for those of you who know him, it seems his facility at 55 broad is under > water? > > http://pilosoft.com > http://nylug.org > > etc? > > Any news appreciated- I'm worried about Alex! > > Best, > .ike > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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