From mspitzer at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 22:40:28 2012 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 22:40:28 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] coding horror book free on amazon now, kindle version Message-ID: the blog is fun to read and the book is free http://www.amazon.com/Effective-Programming-More-Writing-ebook/dp/B008HUMTO0/ marc -- Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. --Albert Camus The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. -- Winston Churchill Do the arithmetic or be doomed to talk nonsense. --John McCarthy From venture37 at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 09:41:06 2012 From: venture37 at gmail.com (Sevan / Venture37) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:41:06 +0100 Subject: [nycbug-talk] dmesgd spam Message-ID: <50475672.5030306@gmail.com> Hi Guys, Just a heads up to let you know that the dmesgd on the site is full of spam at the moment. Regards Sevan From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Sep 5 09:49:04 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 09:49:04 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] dmesgd spam In-Reply-To: <50475672.5030306@gmail.com> References: <50475672.5030306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50475850.4090806@ceetonetechnology.com> On 09/05/12 09:41, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: > Hi Guys, > Just a heads up to let you know that the dmesgd on the site is full of > spam at the moment. Thanks. We need to figure out how to deal with that a bit more methodically and technically. We get a decent amount of traffic to it, and I know that it gets referenced quite a bit. g From okan at demirmen.com Wed Sep 5 10:16:29 2012 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 10:16:29 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] dmesgd spam In-Reply-To: <50475850.4090806@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <50475672.5030306@gmail.com> <50475850.4090806@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <20120905141629.GP29542@clam.khaoz.org> On Wed 2012.09.05 at 09:49 -0400, George Rosamond wrote: > On 09/05/12 09:41, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > Just a heads up to let you know that the dmesgd on the site is full of > > spam at the moment. > > Thanks. yup, thank you. > We need to figure out how to deal with that a bit more methodically and > technically. fixed by outright rejecting. From josh at rivels.org Wed Sep 5 14:43:09 2012 From: josh at rivels.org (Josh Rivel) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 14:43:09 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Slightly OT but: Laptop with DB9 serial adapter? Message-ID: So this is an odd question, but I need for work a laptop with a built-in serial connector (db9) Seems that none of them have one anymore, and I was wondering if anyone could recommend one. Not too concerned about the specs, just needs to be somewhat decent quality and have a good old fashioned serial connector on it. I can never find the USB to DB9 adapter when I really need it... Thanks!! From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Sep 5 14:47:25 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:47:25 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Slightly OT but: Laptop with DB9 serial adapter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50479E3D.3050702@ceetonetechnology.com> On 09/05/12 14:43, Josh Rivel wrote: > So this is an odd question, but I need for work a laptop with a > built-in serial connector (db9) > Seems that none of them have one anymore, and I was wondering if > anyone could recommend one. > Not too concerned about the specs, just needs to be somewhat decent > quality and have a good old fashioned serial connector on it. > I can never find the USB to DB9 adapter when I really need it... > Thanks!! Good luck. Lots of good luck. Pretty much dead now. Everyone is going USB to DB9 now. You can even find serial cables for $2 now at Radio Shack on the discount table. I would find an old used one if it's just for console purposes. You'll have better luck planting a bunch of USB to DB9 connectors in spots around your daily path (home, colo, office, bag, etc). g From venture37 at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 14:51:24 2012 From: venture37 at gmail.com (Sevan / Venture37) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 19:51:24 +0100 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Slightly OT but: Laptop with DB9 serial adapter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5 Sep 2012, at 19:43, Josh Rivel wrote: > Not too concerned about the specs, just needs to be somewhat decent > quality and have a good old fashioned serial connector on it. If it doesn't have to be new then a second hand thinkpad should do the trick. Sevan From lteo at lteo.net Wed Sep 5 15:01:20 2012 From: lteo at lteo.net (Lawrence Teo) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:01:20 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Slightly OT but: Laptop with DB9 serial adapter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120905190120.GA6797@unagi.lteo.net> On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 07:51:24PM +0100, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: > > > On 5 Sep 2012, at 19:43, Josh Rivel wrote: > > > Not too concerned about the specs, just needs to be somewhat decent > > quality and have a good old fashioned serial connector on it. > > If it doesn't have to be new then a second hand thinkpad should do the trick. Right, I still use an old ThinkPad A22m from 2001, mainly because it has a built-in serial port. :) George's suggestion of distributing USB to DB9 cables everywhere might be more practical though. :) Lawrence From zippy1981 at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 15:09:30 2012 From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:09:30 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Slightly OT but: Laptop with DB9 serial adapter? In-Reply-To: <20120905190120.GA6797@unagi.lteo.net> References: <20120905190120.GA6797@unagi.lteo.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Lawrence Teo wrote: > > George's suggestion of distributing USB to DB9 cables everywhere might > be more practical though. :) > > An RJ45 serial port, like on Cisco gear would be a nice to have. You could make a really tiny usb -> serial converter that way. Are there any open hardware usb->serial chips? I'd get behind a kickstarter to build such a beast. Justin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmesg at frontier.com Wed Sep 5 14:59:52 2012 From: dmesg at frontier.com (dmesg at frontier.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 11:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Slightly OT but: Laptop with DB9 serial adapter? Message-ID: <1346871592.32398.YahooMailNeo@web120904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> My employer recently purchased a new laptop for me that does have DB9 serial port. It's an HP ProBook 6565B. Steve ======================================= So this is an odd question, but I need for work a laptop with a built-in serial connector (db9) Seems that none of them? have one anymore, and I was wondering if anyone could recommend one. Not too concerned about the specs, just needs to be somewhat decent quality and have a good old fashioned serial connector on it. I can never find the USB to DB9 adapter when I really need it... Thanks!! _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk at lists.nycbug.org http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josh at rivels.org Wed Sep 5 15:34:13 2012 From: josh at rivels.org (Josh Rivel) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 15:34:13 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Slightly OT but: Laptop with DB9 serial adapter? In-Reply-To: References: <20120905190120.GA6797@unagi.lteo.net> Message-ID: To all... On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Justin Dearing wrote: > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Lawrence Teo wrote: >> >> >> George's suggestion of distributing USB to DB9 cables everywhere might >> be more practical though. :) >> > > An RJ45 serial port, like on Cisco gear would be a nice to have. You could > make a really tiny usb -> serial converter that way. Are there any open > hardware usb->serial chips? I'd get behind a kickstarter to build such a > beast. > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > Wow - you guys rock - thank's for all the replies! I think I'll go both routes - a new laptop and a bunch of adapters just in case! Josh From spork at bway.net Wed Sep 5 20:45:29 2012 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 20:45:29 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Slightly OT but: Laptop with DB9 serial adapter? In-Reply-To: <20120905190120.GA6797@unagi.lteo.net> References: <20120905190120.GA6797@unagi.lteo.net> Message-ID: <796AD874-9B3F-4D06-8F36-173CDB293509@bway.net> -- Charles Sprickman NetEng/SysAdmin Bway.net - New York's Best Internet www.bway.net spork at bway.net - 212.982.9800 On Sep 5, 2012, at 3:01 PM, Lawrence Teo wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 07:51:24PM +0100, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: >> >> >> On 5 Sep 2012, at 19:43, Josh Rivel wrote: >> >>> Not too concerned about the specs, just needs to be somewhat decent >>> quality and have a good old fashioned serial connector on it. >> >> If it doesn't have to be new then a second hand thinkpad should do the trick. > > Right, I still use an old ThinkPad A22m from 2001, mainly because it has > a built-in serial port. :) > > George's suggestion of distributing USB to DB9 cables everywhere might > be more practical though. :) There are also so many nice adapters out there now, many of which are really no harder to lug around/keep track of than an actual serial cable, for example: http://www.usbgear.com/computer_cable_details.cfm?sku=765162&cats=199&catid=199%2C601%2C461 Or if you need to make your own crazy cable for special gear: http://www.usbgear.com/computer_cable_details.cfm?sku=USB-RS232-WE&cats=199&catid=482%2C199%2C601%2C461 And if you like blinky lights so you can see if you've got rx/tx on the link: http://www.usbgear.com/computer_cable_details.cfm?sku=USBG-3M232-STP&cats=199&catid=482%2C1303%2C199%2C461%2C106%2C1009%2C601 There is so much cool gear here - they're a little on the pricey side, but I keep buying because they're clear about what chipsets these use so you know whether it's going to be *BSD friendly. I have a number of serial "console servers" built out of a bunch of the 8/16 port boxes they sell there. Really neat stuff. http://www.usbgear.com/USB-Serial.html Charles > > Lawrence > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From robin.polak at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 11:45:09 2012 From: robin.polak at gmail.com (Robin Polak) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 11:45:09 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: Interop NYC Promo Code from SpiceWorks Message-ID: Interop New York will be held October 1-5 at the Javits Convention Center. Interop's informative conference and expo features more than 100 conference sessions and deep dive workshops. Plus the expo will feature more than 150+ solutions providers. Attend Interop New York this October. Register with code COFEPSPICE for a free expo pass or a discount on conference passes. www.interop.com/newyork http://community.spiceworks.com/pages/interopnewyork -- Robin Polak E-Mail: robin.polak at gmail.com V. 917-494-2080 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nycbug at wynn.com Thu Sep 6 23:11:54 2012 From: nycbug at wynn.com (nycbug at wynn.com) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 23:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Sun 4-330 needs new home Message-ID: <201209070311.q873Bspb008588@mail.wynn.com> Greeting- I have a working Sun 4-330 VME BUS sparc machine that needs a new home. I do not recall how much memory it has, but it was working when pulled from service in 2001. It passed POST 2 years ago when I last powered it up. It has no disks (uses SCSI) and does not have CDROM, but I have a stack of Sun style CDROM drives and will give the new owner one with the machine. This machine will boot Sun OS 4.1.2.3U or Solaris 2.4 or netbsd. I do not have either Sun OS 4.1.2.3u or Solaris 2.4, but you can grab NetBSD from a handy mirror and have a working system in an afternoon. I suspect this would be useful for the NetBSD team as a build box, but there is no room in my dataroom to set it up, so if someone wants to set it up someplace on behalf of team NetBSD I will help with that task. If any of you have contacts in the NetBSD team please feel free to pass this message along. I would prefer to see the box help support BSD than go to the scrap yard. If you want the machine call or text 917-642-6925. -Brett From nikolai at fetissov.org Sun Sep 9 15:26:35 2012 From: nikolai at fetissov.org (Nikolai Fetissov) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 15:26:35 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] September 2012 meeting audio Message-ID: Folks, Audio recording of Adrian Chadd's presentation is online at: http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/nycbug-09-05-12.mp3 Apologies for the delay. Cheers, -- Nikolai From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Sep 10 16:52:47 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:52:47 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] GoDaddy Message-ID: <504E531F.3030506@ceetonetechnology.com> Linking anything from /. is strictly forbidden and just plain uncouth on talk@, especially from the comments. Nevertheless.... this just has to be noted: This is what happens when you push everything out into the cloud. Somedays it rains and there ain't shit you can do about it. http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3107155&cid=41291843 g From zippy1981 at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 17:44:21 2012 From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:44:21 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] GoDaddy In-Reply-To: <504E531F.3030506@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <504E531F.3030506@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM, George Rosamond < george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: > > This is what happens when you push everything out into the cloud. > Somedays it rains and there ain't shit you can do about it. > > > I'd hardly call godaddy a "cloud provider." There just a registrar with a really large dns and web host. Sure same problem as when AWS/Azure or Rackspace goes down though. But this brings up two good points. 1) how do you not have a single point of failure with DNS. 2) If you do decide to host on the cloud, for any site actually making money, why would you not have coldfire backups on multiple clouds for redundancy. Its cheaper then coldfire hardware. Justin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon Sep 10 18:51:26 2012 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:51:26 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] GoDaddy In-Reply-To: References: <504E531F.3030506@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <504E6EEE.4030803@nomadlogic.org> On 09/10/12 14:44, Justin Dearing wrote: > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM, George Rosamond< > george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: > >> >> This is what happens when you push everything out into the cloud. >> Somedays it rains and there ain't shit you can do about it. >> >> >> I'd hardly call godaddy a "cloud provider." There just a registrar with a > really large dns and web host. Sure same problem as when AWS/Azure or > Rackspace goes down though. lol - i'd reference the godaddy cloud page, but..yea :) they do offer "cloud" storage and computing resources. i reckon it is just an extension of their already existing hosting services they historically provided. tbh though...i really have no idea what cloud means, i mentally have been substituting "cloud" with "smurf" for a while now w/o any ill effects :) > But this brings up two good points. 1) how do you not have a single point > of failure with DNS. anycast DNS, while not perfect, does a lot to mitigate SPOF w/in DNS architectures. it also should in theory help isolate DDoS attacks as well. I am suspecting that GoDaddy may not just be getting hit with a DDoS due to the wide ranging nature of the outage. perhaps the DDoS is just one component of this failure? > 2) If you do decide to host on the cloud, for any site > actually making money, why would you not have coldfire backups on multiple > clouds for redundancy. Its cheaper then coldfire hardware. yea i totally agree - although amazon makes it really pricey to do this right? they actually built a pretty effective finger trap. you'll get dinged on the storage costs of your local backup cache (which you need due to the dreadful performance of ec2), iops on your ebs volume and network transit for this backups (not to mention the capex costs of keeping your backup site up). unfortunately, i've been on the loosing side of this discussion more times than i want to think about when working with finance departments and the like... -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From nycbug at wynn.com Tue Sep 11 09:37:57 2012 From: nycbug at wynn.com (nycbug at wynn.com) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Looking around Message-ID: <201209111337.q8BDbv73095503@mail.wynn.com> Greeting- Well not only has my current employer missed a payroll, they have been late on every payroll since I was hired in Feburary. Yesterday I found out they cut back some people to working part time to cut expenses. I thnk it is time I start asking what is around.......so I am asking. My cv is at http://prd4.wynn.com/wynkoop/resume/. It has not been updated in the last year, but you will get all the needed information I think. -Brett From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Sep 11 09:49:47 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:49:47 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Looking around In-Reply-To: <201209111337.q8BDbv73095503@mail.wynn.com> References: <201209111337.q8BDbv73095503@mail.wynn.com> Message-ID: <504F417B.4@ceetonetechnology.com> On 09/11/12 09:37, nycbug at wynn.com wrote: > Greeting- > > Well not only has my current employer missed a payroll, they have been late on > every payroll since I was hired in Feburary. Yesterday I found out they > cut back some people to working part time to cut expenses. I thnk it is time > I start asking what is around.......so I am asking. > > My cv is at http://prd4.wynn.com/wynkoop/resume/. It has not been updated in > the last year, but you will get all the needed information I think. > Hey Brett. Use jobs@ for this stuff. Good luck. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Sep 13 13:05:51 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:05:51 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] RSS on www site Message-ID: <5052126F.4050000@ceetonetechnology.com> We now have an RSS feed of the meetings, past and future, off the www site: http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=rss As always, NYC*BUG remains a harbinger of new technologies on the application layer. Now if someone could Tweet loud enough for others to hear, we'd really make some progress. g From pete at nomadlogic.org Thu Sep 13 13:39:08 2012 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:39:08 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] RSS on www site In-Reply-To: <5052126F.4050000@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5052126F.4050000@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <50521A3C.2030104@nomadlogic.org> On 09/13/12 10:05, George Rosamond wrote: > We now have an RSS feed of the meetings, past and future, off the www site: > > http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=rss > > As always, NYC*BUG remains a harbinger of new technologies on the > application layer. > > Now if someone could Tweet loud enough for others to hear, we'd really > make some progress. i was actually wondering why there is no @nycbug twitter thing-a-ma-jigger the other day... -p -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From mikel.king at olivent.com Thu Sep 13 13:39:09 2012 From: mikel.king at olivent.com (Mikel King) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:39:09 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] RSS on www site In-Reply-To: <5052126F.4050000@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5052126F.4050000@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On Sep 13, 2012, at 1:05 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > We now have an RSS feed of the meetings, past and future, off the www site: > > http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=rss > > As always, NYC*BUG remains a harbinger of new technologies on the > application layer. > > Now if someone could Tweet loud enough for others to hear, we'd really > make some progress. > > g done From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Sep 13 13:41:58 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 13:41:58 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] RSS on www site In-Reply-To: <50521A3C.2030104@nomadlogic.org> References: <5052126F.4050000@ceetonetechnology.com> <50521A3C.2030104@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <50521AE6.5040405@ceetonetechnology.com> On 09/13/12 13:39, Pete Wright wrote: > On 09/13/12 10:05, George Rosamond wrote: >> We now have an RSS feed of the meetings, past and future, off the www >> site: >> >> http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=rss >> >> As always, NYC*BUG remains a harbinger of new technologies on the >> application layer. >> >> Now if someone could Tweet loud enough for others to hear, we'd really >> make some progress. > > i was actually wondering why there is no @nycbug twitter > thing-a-ma-jigger the other day... > some exterminators have it already. but I think we have derivation of it somewhere? Mark S?? Patrick M uses his BSD-TV to pump the meetings, and he has a decent list of followers. Mark S deals with FB AFAIK. g From compustretch at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 19:11:26 2012 From: compustretch at gmail.com (forest mars) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:11:26 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Software Freedom Day - this Saturday at ITP (Interactive Telecommunications Program) Message-ID: As I had mentioned at last month's NYCBUG get-together, I'm looking forward to seeing NYCBUG'ers at Software Freedom Day, which is this Saturday, and isn't strictly about GPL licensed software, but FOSS development ecology in general. I do understand however that the beer will be "Free as in beer." -? The 5th annual Software Freedom Day NYC will take place on Saturday September 15, 2012 from 6:30-10:00 pm. The New York celebratory event will be held this year at ITP, NYU's school for the Interactive Telecommunications Program, located at 721 Broadway (between 8th Street & Washington Place.) - As in previous years this will be a celebration of the merits and successes of free software, with food & drinks ("free as in beer") and a short program of speakers. This is also a "hack friendly" event; we will have 2 large breakout rooms so bring your laptop to demonstrate a project you're working on or engage in informal collaboration. At 8:00 pm there will be a short program including presentations. Scheduled speakers include: - James Vasile of the Software Freedom Law Center on "Free Software vs Censorship and Surveillance" - "Wikipedia Takes Manhattan? -- presented by Wikimedia NYC (following up on this afternoon?s photo-walk departing Bowling Green at 3pm, and arriving at ITP at 7pm) - Jon Stanley on the Fedora project - Occupy <3s Open Source -- presented by TechOps of the NYCGA (NYC General Assembly) as well as short talks on other free software projects and distributions. After this program there will be a reception, including a key signing. For full event information please see the official announcement at http://cfsg.org/Software-Freedom-Day-2012 For more information about Software Freedom Day see the Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Freedom_Day Forest Mars -- "In theory, theory and practice are exactly the same. In practice, they're completely different." ------------------------------------------------------------------ This email is: [ x ] o.k. to forward [ x ] o.k. to blog [ ] ask first -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zippy1981 at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 21:06:18 2012 From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:06:18 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] [nylug-talk] RSS on www site In-Reply-To: References: <5052126F.4050000@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: Brian, Meetup is a great tool, but you need to pay for it. Justin On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Brian Gupta wrote: > I know two long term user groups recently started using meetup.com for > outreach, with fairly positive results.: lispnyc and nylug. If there > isn't a philosophical reason not to use it, and you are looking to expand > your reach, and increase turnout, I strongly encourage using this tool, > since many techies turn to meetup first to plan their technical social > calendar. (and many don't look beyond meetup) > On Sep 13, 2012 4:34 PM, "Justin Dearing" wrote: > > > Well why doesn't NYCBUG make a twitter account? > > > > I'll try to get my BSD minded followers to retweet this: > > https://twitter.com/zippy1981/status/246297730312450048 > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:05 PM, George Rosamond < > > george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: > > > > > We now have an RSS feed of the meetings, past and future, off the www > > site: > > > > > > http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=rss > > > > > > As always, NYC*BUG remains a harbinger of new technologies on the > > > application layer. > > > > > > Now if someone could Tweet loud enough for others to hear, we'd really > > > make some progress. > > > > > > g > > > _______________________________________________ > > > talk mailing list > > > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > Participate in drafting NYLUG's charter: > > http://spinoza.opsrealist.info/charter/ > > The nylug-talk mailing list is at nylug-talk at nylug.org > > The list archive is at http://nylug.org/pipermail/nylug-talk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe: > http://nylug.org/mailman/listinfo/nylug-talk > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Participate in drafting NYLUG's charter: > http://spinoza.opsrealist.info/charter/ > The nylug-talk mailing list is at nylug-talk at nylug.org > The list archive is at http://nylug.org/pipermail/nylug-talk > To subscribe or unsubscribe: http://nylug.org/mailman/listinfo/nylug-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan at kc8onw.net Sun Sep 16 20:33:39 2012 From: jonathan at kc8onw.net (Jonathan) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:33:39 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ZFS block size histogram? Message-ID: <50566FE3.9090905@kc8onw.net> Does anyone know where I can get a histogram of block sizes in a ZFS pool? I would have sworn I saw a script that did that a year or 2 ago but I can't find it now. I can get average block sizes by type with zdb which helps but I'd really like an actual histogram. Jonathan From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sun Sep 16 20:57:38 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:57:38 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ZFS block size histogram? In-Reply-To: <50566FE3.9090905@kc8onw.net> References: <50566FE3.9090905@kc8onw.net> Message-ID: <50567582.3080407@ceetonetechnology.com> On 09/16/12 20:33, Jonathan wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get a histogram of block sizes in a ZFS > pool? I would have sworn I saw a script that did that a year or 2 ago > but I can't find it now. I can get average block sizes by type with zdb > which helps but I'd really like an actual histogram. Assume you caught the USENIX LISA 11 presentation...? g From jonathan at kc8onw.net Sun Sep 16 21:31:28 2012 From: jonathan at kc8onw.net (Jonathan) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:31:28 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ZFS block size histogram? In-Reply-To: <50567582.3080407@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <50566FE3.9090905@kc8onw.net> <50567582.3080407@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <50567D70.9030307@kc8onw.net> [Missed including the list initially] On 9/16/2012 8:57 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > On 09/16/12 20:33, Jonathan wrote: >> Does anyone know where I can get a histogram of block sizes in a ZFS >> pool? I would have sworn I saw a script that did that a year or 2 ago >> but I can't find it now. I can get average block sizes by type with zdb >> which helps but I'd really like an actual histogram. > > Assume you caught the USENIX LISA 11 presentation...? If you're referring to this presentation http://www.slideshare.net/relling/usenix-lisa11-tutorial-zfs-a it only mentions the DDT histogram. If you're referring to something else I didn't have much luck finding it. Jonathan From zippy1981 at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 09:30:46 2012 From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:30:46 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Interest in a talk on a debugger on GNU make? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Epic Resurrection! I'd love to see such a talk. On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Rocky Bernstein wrote: > A while ago I wrote a debugger for GNU make. Any interest in a talk on it? > > Some demo videos and the LISA 2011 Conference paper on it can be found at > https://github.com/rocky/remake/wiki > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Sep 21 13:16:50 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 13:16:50 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] arm boards Message-ID: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> Quick unscientific poll here: how many people have some arm board or another that they are hacking on, or blankly staring at with no direction? Would it be of interest to organize a hack session on it? Any BSD would be appropriate, although difficult to manage without someone with experience. If there's enough interest, we could try to get a quantity discount from some arm vendor or another. Marvell, for instance, was a sponsor at the con a few years back. g From ike at blackskyresearch.net Fri Sep 21 14:16:00 2012 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:16:00 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] arm boards In-Reply-To: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <1348251364-7176839.91209531.fq8LIG0aD010676@rs139.luxsci.com> On Sep 21, 2012, at 1:16 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > Quick unscientific poll here: > > how many people have some arm board or another that they are hacking on, > or blankly staring at with no direction? Have one Beagle Board in my hands, (super radness?). Not arm, but also have some more "useful" Soekris 4801's I've tried hacking around with the GPIO on, (absolutely clueless but have had some fun with this). > > Would it be of interest to organize a hack session on it? Any BSD would > be appropriate, although difficult to manage without someone with > experience. I'd be really interested in a hack session on it- I'd recommend having some pre-fab "cooking show" sd cards ready to plug in and hack on- best thing to answer questions/curiosities is to have a live unit on hand... > > If there's enough interest, we could try to get a quantity discount from > some arm vendor or another. Spectacular idea. With little working life with the little thing, I'd recommend the Beagle Board units: Arduino size, great prototyping headers, about as much computer as an old school Soekris. $90/ea retail. > Marvell, for instance, was a sponsor at the > con a few years back. > > g Rocket- .ike From gnn at neville-neil.com Fri Sep 21 15:21:46 2012 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:21:46 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] arm boards In-Reply-To: <1348251364-7176839.91209531.fq8LIG0aD010676@rs139.luxsci.com> References: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> <1348251364-7176839.91209531.fq8LIG0aD010676@rs139.luxsci.com> Message-ID: On Sep 21, 2012, at 14:16 , Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > On Sep 21, 2012, at 1:16 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > >> Quick unscientific poll here: >> >> how many people have some arm board or another that they are hacking on, >> or blankly staring at with no direction? > > Have one Beagle Board in my hands, (super radness?). > > Not arm, but also have some more "useful" Soekris 4801's I've tried hacking around with the GPIO on, (absolutely clueless but have had some fun with this). > I have a BeagleBone, hacking on it when not doing other FreeBSD stuff on the weekends. I have two Raspberry Pi's but have yet to get them to boot. >> >> Would it be of interest to organize a hack session on it? Any BSD would >> be appropriate, although difficult to manage without someone with >> experience. > > I'd be really interested in a hack session on it- > I'd recommend having some pre-fab "cooking show" sd cards ready to plug in and hack on- best thing to answer questions/curiosities is to have a live unit on hand... > Yes. >> >> If there's enough interest, we could try to get a quantity discount from >> some arm vendor or another. > > Spectacular idea. > With little working life with the little thing, I'd recommend the Beagle Board units: > Arduino size, great prototyping headers, about as much computer as an old school Soekris. > $90/ea retail. > Yeah, I like the BeagleBones because you can get them. I had to work very hard to get my hands on a Pi. Best, George From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 16:09:58 2012 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Patrick McEvoy) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:09:58 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] arm boards In-Reply-To: References: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> <1348251364-7176839.91209531.fq8LIG0aD010676@rs139.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <505CC996.4020204@gmail.com> On 9/21/12 3:21 PM, George Neville-Neil wrote: > On Sep 21, 2012, at 14:16 , Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > >> On Sep 21, 2012, at 1:16 PM, George Rosamond wrote: >> >>> Quick unscientific poll here: >>> >>> how many people have some arm board or another that they are hacking on, >>> or blankly staring at with no direction? >> Have one Beagle Board in my hands, (super radness?). >> >> Not arm, but also have some more "useful" Soekris 4801's I've tried hacking around with the GPIO on, (absolutely clueless but have had some fun with this). >> > I have a BeagleBone, hacking on it when not doing other FreeBSD stuff on the weekends. > I have two Raspberry Pi's but have yet to get them to boot. > >>> Would it be of interest to organize a hack session on it? Any BSD would >>> be appropriate, although difficult to manage without someone with >>> experience. >> I'd be really interested in a hack session on it- >> I'd recommend having some pre-fab "cooking show" sd cards ready to plug in and hack on- best thing to answer questions/curiosities is to have a live unit on hand... >> > Yes. > >>> If there's enough interest, we could try to get a quantity discount from >>> some arm vendor or another. >> Spectacular idea. >> With little working life with the little thing, I'd recommend the Beagle Board units: >> Arduino size, great prototyping headers, about as much computer as an old school Soekris. >> $90/ea retail. >> > Yeah, I like the BeagleBones because you can get them. I had to work very hard > to get my hands on a Pi. > > Best, > George > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk Yes please. Put me down for one as well. I would also be interested in the "Cooking Show" option. P From venture37 at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 16:26:13 2012 From: venture37 at gmail.com (Sevan / Venture37) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 21:26:13 +0100 Subject: [nycbug-talk] arm boards In-Reply-To: <505CC996.4020204@gmail.com> References: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> <1348251364-7176839.91209531.fq8LIG0aD010676@rs139.luxsci.com> <505CC996.4020204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <505CCD65.7050000@gmail.com> Hi, I got FreeBSD-current running on a rev 1 Pi over the weekend so went out & purchased a rev 2 for myself to play with, I also have a guruplug on loan which I've run FreeBSD on. Would love to attend a workshop alas the commute is a massive pain from south east England :) btw, would it be possible to delete the following dmesg submission from the dmesgd http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2416 I was able to submit a follow up once I'd managed to get things working. Sevan From okan at demirmen.com Fri Sep 21 17:04:18 2012 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:04:18 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] arm boards In-Reply-To: <505CCD65.7050000@gmail.com> References: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> <1348251364-7176839.91209531.fq8LIG0aD010676@rs139.luxsci.com> <505CC996.4020204@gmail.com> <505CCD65.7050000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20120921210418.GK29542@clam.khaoz.org> On Fri 2012.09.21 at 21:26 +0100, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: > btw, would it be possible to delete the following dmesg submission > from the dmesgd http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2416 > I was able to submit a follow up once I'd managed to get things working. removed From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Sep 21 18:15:18 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:15:18 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] arm boards In-Reply-To: <505CC996.4020204@gmail.com> References: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> <1348251364-7176839.91209531.fq8LIG0aD010676@rs139.luxsci.com> <505CC996.4020204@gmail.com> Message-ID: <505CE6F6.4000403@ceetonetechnology.com> On 09/21/12 16:09, Patrick McEvoy wrote: > On 9/21/12 3:21 PM, George Neville-Neil wrote: >> On Sep 21, 2012, at 14:16 , Isaac (.ike) Levy >> wrote: >> This is probably the email I should have hit in reply. . . >>> On Sep 21, 2012, at 1:16 PM, George Rosamond wrote: >>> >>>> Quick unscientific poll here: >>>> >>>> how many people have some arm board or another that they are hacking >>>> on, >>>> or blankly staring at with no direction? >>> Have one Beagle Board in my hands, (super radness?). >>> >>> Not arm, but also have some more "useful" Soekris 4801's I've tried >>> hacking around with the GPIO on, (absolutely clueless but have had >>> some fun with this). >>> >> I have a BeagleBone, hacking on it when not doing other FreeBSD stuff >> on the weekends. >> I have two Raspberry Pi's but have yet to get them to boot. >> >>>> Would it be of interest to organize a hack session on it? Any BSD >>>> would >>>> be appropriate, although difficult to manage without someone with >>>> experience. >>> I'd be really interested in a hack session on it- >>> I'd recommend having some pre-fab "cooking show" sd cards ready to >>> plug in and hack on- best thing to answer questions/curiosities is to >>> have a live unit on hand... >>> >> Yes. Yes. Prefab would be good. So it means making sure everyone has appropriate documentation for their particular BSD. >> >>>> If there's enough interest, we could try to get a quantity discount >>>> from >>>> some arm vendor or another. >>> Spectacular idea. >>> With little working life with the little thing, I'd recommend the >>> Beagle Board units: >>> Arduino size, great prototyping headers, about as much computer as an >>> old school Soekris. >>> $90/ea retail. >>> >> Yeah, I like the BeagleBones because you can get them. I had to work >> very hard >> to get my hands on a Pi. >> So BB it probably should be. Any NBSD arm devs in NYC? g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Sep 21 18:13:44 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:13:44 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] arm boards In-Reply-To: <505CCD65.7050000@gmail.com> References: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> <1348251364-7176839.91209531.fq8LIG0aD010676@rs139.luxsci.com> <505CC996.4020204@gmail.com> <505CCD65.7050000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <505CE698.7030103@ceetonetechnology.com> On 09/21/12 16:26, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: > Hi, > I got FreeBSD-current running on a rev 1 Pi over the weekend so went out > & purchased a rev 2 for myself to play with, I also have a guruplug on > loan which I've run FreeBSD on. So Beagleboard sounds like the best idea for a volume purchase, but I'd first ask if anyone has contacts. Raspberry PI is too much of an issue in acquiring. Anyone have contacts at Beagleboard or another manufacturer? > Would love to attend a workshop alas the commute is a massive pain from > south east England :) What a lame excuse! ;) > > btw, would it be possible to delete the following dmesg submission from > the dmesgd http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2416 > I was able to submit a follow up once I'd managed to get things working. g From venture37 at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 18:21:34 2012 From: venture37 at gmail.com (Sevan / Venture37) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:21:34 +0100 Subject: [nycbug-talk] arm boards In-Reply-To: <505CE698.7030103@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> <1348251364-7176839.91209531.fq8LIG0aD010676@rs139.luxsci.com> <505CC996.4020204@gmail.com> <505CCD65.7050000@gmail.com> <505CE698.7030103@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <505CE86E.7090100@gmail.com> On 21/09/2012 23:13, George Rosamond wrote: > Raspberry PI is too much of an issue in acquiring. I ordered mine from http://www.farnell.com on Tuesday, it was here on Thursday. Sevan From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Sep 24 20:46:03 2012 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:46:03 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] arm boards In-Reply-To: <505CE86E.7090100@gmail.com> References: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> <1348251364-7176839.91209531.fq8LIG0aD010676@rs139.luxsci.com> <505CC996.4020204@gmail.com> <505CCD65.7050000@gmail.com> <505CE698.7030103@ceetonetechnology.com> <505CE86E.7090100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5060FECB.8080800@ceetonetechnology.com> On 09/21/12 18:21, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: > On 21/09/2012 23:13, George Rosamond wrote: >> Raspberry PI is too much of an issue in acquiring. > > I ordered mine from http://www.farnell.com on Tuesday, it was here on > Thursday. The BeagleBoard www site says they will be at MakerFaire this weekend. It certainly is a good chance to discuss some sort of group discount for us, even if they don't sell them directly. What if we structure some sort of 3 hour long workshop? We could provide the useful documentation to enable the preliminary work. For FreeBSD, there's stuff out there. People should prep their SD cards at least. A short introduction to get people started would probably be nice. We should be dragging in people who are using NetBSD on it. I don't see much recently from OpenBSD. g From spork at bway.net Mon Sep 24 21:35:31 2012 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:35:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] arm boards In-Reply-To: <5060FECB.8080800@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <505CA102.6090303@ceetonetechnology.com> <1348251364-7176839.91209531.fq8LIG0aD010676@rs139.luxsci.com> <505CC996.4020204@gmail.com> <505CCD65.7050000@gmail.com> <505CE698.7030103@ceetonetechnology.com> <505CE86E.7090100@gmail.com> <5060FECB.8080800@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <941E6E09-FB4D-4639-B914-4D0A2D8E0A72@bway.net> On Sep 24, 2012, at 8:46 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > On 09/21/12 18:21, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: >> On 21/09/2012 23:13, George Rosamond wrote: >>> Raspberry PI is too much of an issue in acquiring. >> >> I ordered mine from http://www.farnell.com on Tuesday, it was here on >> Thursday. > > The BeagleBoard www site says they will be at MakerFaire this weekend. > It certainly is a good chance to discuss some sort of group discount for > us, even if they don't sell them directly. > > What if we structure some sort of 3 hour long workshop? > > We could provide the useful documentation to enable the preliminary > work. For FreeBSD, there's stuff out there. People should prep their > SD cards at least. > > A short introduction to get people started would probably be nice. You know, I've been interested in this, but one thing I'm not clear on (and what's most interesting to me) is what the differences between all these units are as far as interfacing with the outside world. Specifically, if I want to control a small servo or similar, or tie into a bank of small relays or some such thing, what are the options? Does that mean buying yet another device or is there some basic analog I/O on these things? To me, being able to break out of the whole "this is a computer, and you will interface with stuff over the network" seems like it would open up more possibilities for experimentation. I can follow basic schematics, I held a summer job where I was paid to solder, and I can etch my own PCBs (the old fashioned way, never picked up anything newer than the old rub-on decals, dunk board in etching solution method). Anyhow, that's my angle - re-energizing some long unused synapses. :) Charles > We should be dragging in people who are using NetBSD on it. I don't see > much recently from OpenBSD. > > > g > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From jpb at jimby.name Tue Sep 25 08:20:09 2012 From: jpb at jimby.name (Jimmy B.) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 08:20:09 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Seeking opinions on StartCom CA Message-ID: <20120925122009.GA64737@jimby.name> Hi, Subject says it all. Any opinions on using StartCom for a certificate authority for a Class 2 (organizational) cert. I've read almost all the reviews on sslshopper.com. Yes, there are a lot of 'glowing' reviews, but there are some negative ones that are so lengthy and detailed it gives me pause. Plus, I'm a little leary of giving over oodles of private information without a good reason. Any opinions, good or bad, appreciated. Jim B. From ike at blackskyresearch.net Fri Sep 28 12:53:23 2012 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:53:23 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Friday Fun Message-ID: <1348851243-2358390.48469242.fq8SGrNY7019533@rs139.luxsci.com> Hi All, Apologies in advance for this dopey non-sequitor, but an engineer on my team was passing this around and it made me grin: http://securityreactions.tumblr.com/ Best, .ike