From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Apr 1 10:27:14 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 10:27:14 -0400 Subject: [talk] unfunny of the day? Message-ID: <533ACCC2.5020401@ceetonetechnology.com> this wins it for me... 07:06 -kloeri(~kloeri at freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri)- [Global Notice] For purely non-profit reasons, all your nickserv accounts have been converted into freenode+ accounts; details at http://blog.freenode.net/2014/04/googleplusfreenode/. Thank you for using freenode. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Apr 1 11:25:02 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 11:25:02 -0400 Subject: [talk] unfunny of the day? In-Reply-To: References: <533ACCC2.5020401@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <533ADA4E.7000900@ceetonetechnology.com> George Magiros: > i'm sure the FTC likes that late notice. > I think Dan wins.. .hands-down: http://lists.bsdcan.org/pipermail/bsdcan-announce/2014-April/000127.html MWL is sloppily tagging along! http://blather.michaelwlucas.com/archives/2016 We will be selling tickets for Oracle BSDCan tonight. Discounted rate is $1295, but if you migrate from postgres, you'll get a $50 discount. Amex only. And we will be giving $50 for everyone who registers for DetroitBSDCon. g From nikolai at fetissov.org Tue Apr 1 16:53:33 2014 From: nikolai at fetissov.org (Nikolai Fetissov) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 16:53:33 -0400 Subject: [talk] Audio for tonight Message-ID: <0CACF456-81BE-4073-A057-F8931CA50047@fetissov.org> Folks, I won't make it to the meeting tonight. Would appreciate if somebody could pick up audio recording. Cheers, -- Nikolai From mspitzer at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 17:36:07 2014 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 17:36:07 -0400 Subject: [talk] VPN solutions Message-ID: Hi all, I have been tasked with setting up a site to site vpn solution at work. I was thinking about doing a openvpn on centos, we are a centos shop. I would like to put in some freebsd boxes but I need a compelling reason. The last time I set this up I used cisco pix and that was a few years ago. Thanks, Marc -- Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. --Albert Camus The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. -- Winston Churchill Do the arithmetic or be doomed to talk nonsense. --John McCarthy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed Apr 2 17:53:12 2014 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 14:53:12 -0700 Subject: [talk] VPN solutions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <533C86C8.90605@nomadlogic.org> On 04/02/14 14:36, Marc Spitzer wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been tasked with setting up a site to site vpn solution at work. > I was thinking about doing a openvpn on centos, we are a centos shop. > I would like to put in some freebsd boxes but I need a compelling reason. > > The last time I set this up I used cisco pix and that was a few years ago. > Did a very similar setup using OpenBSD. For me the compelling reasons where the great documentation, and relative simplicity of OpenBSD's IPSEC and OpenIked configuration file syntax especially when compared to openswan and openVPN even. -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Apr 2 19:25:06 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 19:25:06 -0400 Subject: [talk] graid(8) Message-ID: <533C9C52.2070104@ceetonetechnology.com> Greetings So I'm building a Supermicro box that has mobo/fake raid on FreeBSD 10. Since gmirror has gotten a bit overcomplicated when paired with gpart, I figured I'd look at what has replaced atacontrol, since 9.x I believe. It ends up graid is the new geom-based utility. My question is this: graid seems to move beyond pure fake raid. Is it a more stable/more effective way to cope with fake raid? From what I've seen/read, is it without the typical pitfalls of fake raid (eg, reliance on a particular mobo, etc)? Is it going to provide the sanity of gmirror Or is it really dressing up a pig? g From edlinuxguru at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 21:50:43 2014 From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 21:50:43 -0400 Subject: [talk] VPN solutions In-Reply-To: <533C86C8.90605@nomadlogic.org> References: <533C86C8.90605@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: You could easily argue that a aite to site ipsec solution is industy standard and has wide support across operating sytems and "routing appliances" aka really expensive embedded computers ned cicso. On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 04/02/14 14:36, Marc Spitzer wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have been tasked with setting up a site to site vpn solution at work. >> I was thinking about doing a openvpn on centos, we are a centos shop. >> I would like to put in some freebsd boxes but I need a compelling reason. >> >> The last time I set this up I used cisco pix and that was a few years ago. >> > > Did a very similar setup using OpenBSD. For me the compelling reasons > where the great documentation, and relative simplicity of OpenBSD's > IPSEC and OpenIked configuration file syntax especially when compared to > openswan and openVPN even. > > -pete > > > -- > Pete Wright > pete at nomadlogic.org > twitter => @nomadlogicLA > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -- Sorry this was sent from mobile. 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URL: From mark.saad at ymail.com Wed Apr 2 22:44:15 2014 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:44:15 -0400 Subject: [talk] VPN solutions In-Reply-To: References: <533C86C8.90605@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <851285F1-6CCD-4510-856F-EC6627AB6517@ymail.com> > On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:50 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote: > > You could easily argue that a aite to site ipsec solution is industy standard and has wide support across operating sytems and "routing appliances" aka really expensive embedded computers ned cicso. > Wow I was totally expecting a " I use Cassandra to map out the best route and use this awesome tool that is written in java to ...." > On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, Pete Wright wrote: > > > > > > On 04/02/14 14:36, Marc Spitzer wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I have been tasked with setting up a site to site vpn solution at work. > >> I was thinking about doing a openvpn on centos, we are a centos shop. > >> I would like to put in some freebsd boxes but I need a compelling reason. > >> > >> The last time I set this up I used cisco pix and that was a few years ago. > >> > > > > Did a very similar setup using OpenBSD. For me the compelling reasons > > where the great documentation, and relative simplicity of OpenBSD's > > IPSEC and OpenIked configuration file syntax especially when compared to > > openswan and openVPN even. > > > > -pete > > > > > > -- > > Pete Wright > > pete at nomadlogic.org > > twitter => @nomadlogicLA > > > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > -- > Sorry this was sent from mobile. Will do less grammar and spell check than usual. > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk Mark saad | mark.saad at yMail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From netmantej at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 23:41:22 2014 From: netmantej at gmail.com (netmantej) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 23:41:22 -0400 Subject: [talk] VPN solutions In-Reply-To: <851285F1-6CCD-4510-856F-EC6627AB6517@ymail.com> References: <533C86C8.90605@nomadlogic.org> <851285F1-6CCD-4510-856F-EC6627AB6517@ymail.com> Message-ID: <533CD862.2080909@gmail.com> A VPN solution written in Java? You're sick. Sick, sick, sick. -- Tim On 4/2/14, 10:44 PM, Mark Saad wrote: > > On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:50 PM, Edward Capriolo > wrote: > >> You could easily argue that a aite to site ipsec solution is industy >> standard and has wide support across operating sytems and "routing >> appliances" aka really expensive embedded computers ned cicso. >> > > Wow I was totally expecting a " I use Cassandra to map out the best > route and use this awesome tool that is written in java to ...." > >> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, Pete Wright > > wrote: >> > >> > >> > On 04/02/14 14:36, Marc Spitzer wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I have been tasked with setting up a site to site vpn solution at work. >> >> I was thinking about doing a openvpn on centos, we are a centos shop. >> >> I would like to put in some freebsd boxes but I need a compelling >> reason. >> >> >> >> The last time I set this up I used cisco pix and that was a few >> years ago. >> >> >> > >> > Did a very similar setup using OpenBSD. For me the compelling reasons >> > where the great documentation, and relative simplicity of OpenBSD's >> > IPSEC and OpenIked configuration file syntax especially when compared to >> > openswan and openVPN even. >> > >> > -pete >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Pete Wright >> > pete at nomadlogic.org >> > twitter => @nomadlogicLA >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > talk mailing list >> > talk at lists.nycbug.org >> > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> > >> >> -- >> Sorry this was sent from mobile. Will do less grammar and spell check >> than usual. >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > Mark saad | mark.saad at yMail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > From edlinuxguru at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 01:15:35 2014 From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 01:15:35 -0400 Subject: [talk] VPN solutions In-Reply-To: <533CD862.2080909@gmail.com> References: <533C86C8.90605@nomadlogic.org> <851285F1-6CCD-4510-856F-EC6627AB6517@ymail.com> <533CD862.2080909@gmail.com> Message-ID: Many people actually offer vpn in java. Juniper offers an ssl vpn that works for windows, mac, linux.. http://kb.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=content&id=KB28704 That is not a site to site vpn, but you get the drift. On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, netmantej wrote: > A VPN solution written in Java? > > You're sick. Sick, sick, sick. > > > -- Tim > > On 4/2/14, 10:44 PM, Mark Saad wrote: >> >> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:50 PM, Edward Capriolo > > wrote: >> >>> You could easily argue that a aite to site ipsec solution is industy >>> standard and has wide support across operating sytems and "routing >>> appliances" aka really expensive embedded computers ned cicso. >>> >> >> Wow I was totally expecting a " I use Cassandra to map out the best >> route and use this awesome tool that is written in java to ...." >> >>> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, Pete Wright >> > wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > On 04/02/14 14:36, Marc Spitzer wrote: >>> >> Hi all, >>> >> >>> >> I have been tasked with setting up a site to site vpn solution at work. >>> >> I was thinking about doing a openvpn on centos, we are a centos shop. >>> >> I would like to put in some freebsd boxes but I need a compelling >>> reason. >>> >> >>> >> The last time I set this up I used cisco pix and that was a few >>> years ago. >>> >> >>> > >>> > Did a very similar setup using OpenBSD. For me the compelling reasons >>> > where the great documentation, and relative simplicity of OpenBSD's >>> > IPSEC and OpenIked configuration file syntax especially when compared to >>> > openswan and openVPN even. >>> > >>> > -pete >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Pete Wright >>> > pete at nomadlogic.org >>> > twitter => @nomadlogicLA >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > talk mailing list >>> > talk at lists.nycbug.org >>> > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Sorry this was sent from mobile. 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URL: From jhb at freebsd.org Thu Apr 3 12:34:53 2014 From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 12:34:53 -0400 Subject: [talk] graid(8) In-Reply-To: <533C9C52.2070104@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <533C9C52.2070104@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <201404031234.53261.jhb@freebsd.org> On Wednesday, April 02, 2014 7:25:06 pm George Rosamond wrote: > Greetings > > So I'm building a Supermicro box that has mobo/fake raid on FreeBSD 10. > > Since gmirror has gotten a bit overcomplicated when paired with gpart, I > figured I'd look at what has replaced atacontrol, since 9.x I believe. > > It ends up graid is the new geom-based utility. My question is this: > > graid seems to move beyond pure fake raid. Is it a more stable/more > effective way to cope with fake raid? From what I've seen/read, is it > without the typical pitfalls of fake raid (eg, reliance on a particular > mobo, etc)? Is it going to provide the sanity of gmirror > > Or is it really dressing up a pig? graid is still doing software raid based on what the mobo wants, but it does mean your BIOS can boot your volume after a failure which is a bit of a crapshoot with gmirror. It also means you don't have the problem of GPT fighting over the last sector as the logical BIOS device that the BIOS bootstrap sees hides the RAID metadata correctly (which it can't do in the gmirror case). -- John Baldwin From jhb at freebsd.org Thu Apr 3 12:37:07 2014 From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 12:37:07 -0400 Subject: [talk] VPN solutions In-Reply-To: References: <533CD862.2080909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201404031237.07127.jhb@freebsd.org> On Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:15:35 am Edward Capriolo wrote: > Many people actually offer vpn in java. > Juniper offers an ssl vpn that works for windows, mac, linux.. > > http://kb.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=content&id=KB28704 > > That is not a site to site vpn, but you get the drift. Array Networks VPN uses a java client for an SSL tunnel as well. The irony of a VPN tunnel running as a java app is quite terrifying. -- John Baldwin From edlinuxguru at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 14:25:51 2014 From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:25:51 -0400 Subject: [talk] VPN solutions In-Reply-To: <201404031237.07127.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <533CD862.2080909@gmail.com> <201404031237.07127.jhb@freebsd.org> Message-ID: I am not expert but java has a nice efficient libraries for working with TCP/UDP. I knew some grey beard c-coders that wrote there own socket libraries that: 1) were not cross platform (big Endianness issues) 2) stopped working correctly when same code was compiled on 64 bit machines On the other hand someone on list...Speak up you know who you are... Watched me write a JAVA UDP syslog server (to mysql) in java in <2 day. Runs like butter, I still have the code. That says something about Java networking to me. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:37 PM, John Baldwin wrote: > On Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:15:35 am Edward Capriolo wrote: > > Many people actually offer vpn in java. > > Juniper offers an ssl vpn that works for windows, mac, linux.. > > > > http://kb.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=content&id=KB28704 > > > > That is not a site to site vpn, but you get the drift. > > Array Networks VPN uses a java client for an SSL tunnel as well. The > irony of a VPN tunnel running as a java app is quite terrifying. > > -- > John Baldwin > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Apr 3 16:24:37 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 16:24:37 -0400 Subject: [talk] random ip id Message-ID: <533DC385.1030308@ceetonetechnology.com> random ip ids... I know it's been not just been the default with OpenBSD for a long while, but they've also been very polemical about the topic at various cons going way way back. http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Mar/414 Is this going to be default with FreeBSD at some point? Only in front of 9.x boxes right now, so I don't know if it changed with 10.x or current. I vaguely remember someone arguing it was set to 0 by default for some compatibility reason.... fyi: net.inet.ip.random_id=1 g From pete at nomadlogic.org Thu Apr 3 18:37:16 2014 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:37:16 -0700 Subject: [talk] random ip id In-Reply-To: <533DC385.1030308@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <533DC385.1030308@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <533DE29C.1030908@nomadlogic.org> On 04/03/14 13:24, George Rosamond wrote: > random ip ids... > > I know it's been not just been the default with OpenBSD for a long > while, but they've also been very polemical about the topic at various > cons going way way back. > > http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Mar/414 > > Is this going to be default with FreeBSD at some point? Only in front > of 9.x boxes right now, so I don't know if it changed with 10.x or current. > > I vaguely remember someone arguing it was set to 0 by default for some > compatibility reason.... > > fyi: net.inet.ip.random_id=1 i can confirm on 10-RELEASE it is set to "0" by default: > uname -ar && sysctl net.inet.ip.random_id FreeBSD pop.rubicorp.com 10.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 10.0-RELEASE #0 r260789: Thu Jan 16 22:34:59 UTC 2014 root at snap.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 net.inet.ip.random_id: 0 -p -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From netmantej at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 21:03:27 2014 From: netmantej at gmail.com (netmantej) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 21:03:27 -0400 Subject: [talk] VPN solutions In-Reply-To: References: <533C86C8.90605@nomadlogic.org> <851285F1-6CCD-4510-856F-EC6627AB6517@ymail.com> <533CD862.2080909@gmail.com> Message-ID: <533E04DF.5070400@gmail.com> In the first ten years of my career, almost all of the issues I had on the wire (network) where traced back to a Microsoft product malfunctioning or working as designed. In the last fifteen years of my career, most of the issues I have on the wire or on the system trace back to a Java process malfunctioning or working as designed. -- Tim On 4/3/14, 1:15 AM, Edward Capriolo wrote: > Many people actually offer vpn in java. > Juniper offers an ssl vpn that works for windows, mac, linux.. > > http://kb.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=content&id=KB28704 > > That is not a site to site vpn, but you get the drift. > > On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, netmantej > wrote: > > A VPN solution written in Java? > > > > You're sick. Sick, sick, sick. > > > > > > -- Tim > > > > On 4/2/14, 10:44 PM, Mark Saad wrote: > >> > >> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:50 PM, Edward Capriolo > >> >> wrote: > >> > >>> You could easily argue that a aite to site ipsec solution is industy > >>> standard and has wide support across operating sytems and "routing > >>> appliances" aka really expensive embedded computers ned cicso. > >>> > >> > >> Wow I was totally expecting a " I use Cassandra to map out the best > >> route and use this awesome tool that is written in java to ...." > >> > >>> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, Pete Wright > >>> >> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 04/02/14 14:36, Marc Spitzer wrote: > >>> >> Hi all, > >>> >> > >>> >> I have been tasked with setting up a site to site vpn solution > at work. > >>> >> I was thinking about doing a openvpn on centos, we are a centos > shop. > >>> >> I would like to put in some freebsd boxes but I need a compelling > >>> reason. > >>> >> > >>> >> The last time I set this up I used cisco pix and that was a few > >>> years ago. > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > Did a very similar setup using OpenBSD. For me the compelling > reasons > >>> > where the great documentation, and relative simplicity of OpenBSD's > >>> > IPSEC and OpenIked configuration file syntax especially when > compared to > >>> > openswan and openVPN even. > >>> > > >>> > -pete > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Pete Wright > >>> > pete at nomadlogic.org > > > >>> > twitter => @nomadlogicLA > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > talk mailing list > >>> > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > > >>> > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > >>> > > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sorry this was sent from mobile. Will do less grammar and spell check > >>> than usual. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> talk mailing list > >>> talk at lists.nycbug.org > > > >>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > >> > >> Mark saad | mark.saad at yMail.com > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> talk mailing list > >> talk at lists.nycbug.org > >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > -- > Sorry this was sent from mobile. Will do less grammar and spell check > than usual. From bonsaime at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 22:26:11 2014 From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 22:26:11 -0400 Subject: [talk] VPN solutions In-Reply-To: <533E04DF.5070400@gmail.com> References: <533C86C8.90605@nomadlogic.org> <851285F1-6CCD-4510-856F-EC6627AB6517@ymail.com> <533CD862.2080909@gmail.com> <533E04DF.5070400@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:03 PM, netmantej wrote: > > > In the first ten years of my career, almost all of the issues I had on the > wire (network) where traced back to a Microsoft product malfunctioning or > working as designed. > > In the last fifteen years of my career, most of the issues I have on the > wire or on the system trace back to a Java process malfunctioning or > working as designed. > > > -- Tim > > > On 4/3/14, 1:15 AM, Edward Capriolo wrote: > >> Many people actually offer vpn in java. >> Juniper offers an ssl vpn that works for windows, mac, linux.. >> >> http://kb.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=content&id=KB28704 >> >> That is not a site to site vpn, but you get the drift. >> >> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, netmantej > > wrote: >> > A VPN solution written in Java? >> > >> > You're sick. Sick, sick, sick. >> > >> > >> > -- Tim >> > >> > On 4/2/14, 10:44 PM, Mark Saad wrote: >> >> >> >> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:50 PM, Edward Capriolo > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> You could easily argue that a aite to site ipsec solution is industy >> >>> standard and has wide support across operating sytems and "routing >> >>> appliances" aka really expensive embedded computers ned cicso. >> >>> >> >> >> >> Wow I was totally expecting a " I use Cassandra to map out the best >> >> route and use this awesome tool that is written in java to ...." >> >> >> >>> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, Pete Wright > >> >>> >> wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On 04/02/14 14:36, Marc Spitzer wrote: >> >>> >> Hi all, >> >>> >> >> >>> >> I have been tasked with setting up a site to site vpn solution >> at work. >> >>> >> I was thinking about doing a openvpn on centos, we are a centos >> shop. >> >>> >> I would like to put in some freebsd boxes but I need a compelling >> >>> reason. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> The last time I set this up I used cisco pix and that was a few >> >>> years ago. >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> > Did a very similar setup using OpenBSD. For me the compelling >> reasons >> >>> > where the great documentation, and relative simplicity of OpenBSD's >> >>> > IPSEC and OpenIked configuration file syntax especially when >> compared to >> >>> > openswan and openVPN even. >> >>> > >> >>> > -pete >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > Pete Wright >> >>> > pete at nomadlogic.org >> > >> >> >>> > twitter => @nomadlogicLA >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > talk mailing list >> >>> > talk at lists.nycbug.org >> > >> >> >>> > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Sorry this was sent from mobile. Will do less grammar and spell check >> >>> than usual. >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> talk mailing list >> >>> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> > >> > >> >>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> >> >> Mark saad | mark.saad at yMail.com > > >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> talk mailing list >> >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> >> >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > talk mailing list >> > talk at lists.nycbug.org >> > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> > >> >> -- >> Sorry this was sent from mobile. Will do less grammar and spell check >> than usual. >> > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > Uh... I'll tell you my experiences with host-host IPSec on Centos have been bad. I used a setup with ipsec vifs connected to a bridge device, all using the cursed ifcfg-ethX config files. For some reason the association would just go sour every couple of days and I'd have to cycle the virtual interfaces. Magically it all came back up. And then just as magically it would all go down again.. in another couple days. This was on Centos5.5 I believe. Possible counterpoint should it come down to "my friend says that he..." But hopefully your case at work won't get into such nebulous territory as this thread has. -- -jesse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From netmantej at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 23:00:17 2014 From: netmantej at gmail.com (netmantej) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 23:00:17 -0400 Subject: [talk] VPN solutions In-Reply-To: References: <533C86C8.90605@nomadlogic.org> <851285F1-6CCD-4510-856F-EC6627AB6517@ymail.com> <533CD862.2080909@gmail.com> <533E04DF.5070400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <533E2041.5010301@gmail.com> Disabling Network Manager and using the "network" service will make life much less flaky. Additionally, Everything I have stated is first hand experience. -- Tim On 4/3/14, 10:26 PM, Jesse Callaway wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:03 PM, netmantej > wrote: > > > > In the first ten years of my career, almost all of the issues I had > on the wire (network) where traced back to a Microsoft product > malfunctioning or working as designed. > > In the last fifteen years of my career, most of the issues I have on > the wire or on the system trace back to a Java process > malfunctioning or working as designed. > > > -- Tim > > > On 4/3/14, 1:15 AM, Edward Capriolo wrote: > > Many people actually offer vpn in java. > Juniper offers an ssl vpn that works for windows, mac, linux.. > > http://kb.juniper.net/__InfoCenter/index?page=content&__id=KB28704 > > > That is not a site to site vpn, but you get the drift. > > On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, netmantej > >> wrote: > > A VPN solution written in Java? > > > > You're sick. Sick, sick, sick. > > > > > > -- Tim > > > > On 4/2/14, 10:44 PM, Mark Saad wrote: > >> > >> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:50 PM, Edward Capriolo > > > > >> >__>> wrote: > >> > >>> You could easily argue that a aite to site ipsec solution > is industy > >>> standard and has wide support across operating sytems and > "routing > >>> appliances" aka really expensive embedded computers ned cicso. > >>> > >> > >> Wow I was totally expecting a " I use Cassandra to map out > the best > >> route and use this awesome tool that is written in java to > ...." > >> > >>> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, Pete Wright > > > > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 04/02/14 14:36, Marc Spitzer wrote: > >>> >> Hi all, > >>> >> > >>> >> I have been tasked with setting up a site to site vpn > solution > at work. > >>> >> I was thinking about doing a openvpn on centos, we are > a centos > shop. > >>> >> I would like to put in some freebsd boxes but I need a > compelling > >>> reason. > >>> >> > >>> >> The last time I set this up I used cisco pix and that > was a few > >>> years ago. > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > Did a very similar setup using OpenBSD. For me the > compelling > reasons > >>> > where the great documentation, and relative simplicity > of OpenBSD's > >>> > IPSEC and OpenIked configuration file syntax especially when > compared to > >>> > openswan and openVPN even. > >>> > > >>> > -pete > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Pete Wright > >>> > pete at nomadlogic.org > > > > >> > > >>> > twitter => @nomadlogicLA > >>> > > >>> > _________________________________________________ > >>> > talk mailing list > >>> > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > > > >__> > > >>> > http://lists.nycbug.org/__mailman/listinfo/talk > > >>> > > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sorry this was sent from mobile. Will do less grammar and > spell check > >>> than usual. > >>> _________________________________________________ > >>> talk mailing list > >>> talk at lists.nycbug.org > > > > > >__> > >>> http://lists.nycbug.org/__mailman/listinfo/talk > > >> > >> Mark saad | mark.saad at yMail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________ > >> talk mailing list > >> talk at lists.nycbug.org > > > > >> http://lists.nycbug.org/__mailman/listinfo/talk > > >> > > _________________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > > > http://lists.nycbug.org/__mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > > -- > Sorry this was sent from mobile. Will do less grammar and spell > check > than usual. > > _________________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/__mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > > > Uh... > > I'll tell you my experiences with host-host IPSec on Centos have been > bad. I used a setup with ipsec vifs connected to a bridge device, all > using the cursed ifcfg-ethX config files. For some reason the > association would just go sour every couple of days and I'd have to > cycle the virtual interfaces. Magically it all came back up. And then > just as magically it would all go down again.. in another couple days. > This was on Centos5.5 I believe. Possible counterpoint should it come > down to "my friend says that he..." But hopefully your case at work > won't get into such nebulous territory as this thread has. > > -- > -jesse > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > From pete at nomadlogic.org Fri Apr 4 13:31:26 2014 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 10:31:26 -0700 Subject: [talk] VPN solutions In-Reply-To: <533E2041.5010301@gmail.com> References: <533C86C8.90605@nomadlogic.org> <851285F1-6CCD-4510-856F-EC6627AB6517@ymail.com> <533CD862.2080909@gmail.com> <533E04DF.5070400@gmail.com> <533E2041.5010301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <533EEC6E.3070000@nomadlogic.org> On 04/03/14 20:00, netmantej wrote: > Disabling Network Manager and using the "network" service will make life > much less flaky. network manager is available on centos/rhel 6 and greater - think jesse was talking about 5.x. regardless i've had mixed results getting ipsec working on linux type systems...ranging from doesn't work at all to not reliable at all ;) -p -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From mspitzer at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 15:04:37 2014 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 15:04:37 -0400 Subject: [talk] VPN solutions In-Reply-To: <533EEC6E.3070000@nomadlogic.org> References: <533C86C8.90605@nomadlogic.org> <851285F1-6CCD-4510-856F-EC6627AB6517@ymail.com> <533CD862.2080909@gmail.com> <533E04DF.5070400@gmail.com> <533E2041.5010301@gmail.com> <533EEC6E.3070000@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: Just to follow up, it looks like we are going with pfsense and openvpn as the tech. Thanks, Marc -- Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. --Albert Camus The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. -- Winston Churchill Do the arithmetic or be doomed to talk nonsense. --John McCarthy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jared at thegridsource.com Sun Apr 6 14:00:37 2014 From: jared at thegridsource.com (Jared Davenport) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 14:00:37 -0400 Subject: [talk] [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <52CEBCAD.40601@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> <20131219021106.GA9319@jimby.name> <52B268F9.8050002@thegridsource.com> <20131219044554.GA9635@jimby.name> <52B312DC.80308@thegridsource.com> <52B314B3.4020901@ceetonetechnology.com> <52B32014.5020202@thegridsource.com> <52CEBCAD.40601@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <53419645.4030005@thegridsource.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2014 10:13 AM, George Rosamond wrote: > Jared Davenport: >> >> >> On 12/19/2013 10:45 AM, George Rosamond wrote: >>> Jared Davenport: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/18/2013 11:45 PM, Jim B. wrote: >>>>> * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 >>>>> 22:57]: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/18/2013 09:11 PM, Jim B. wrote: >>>>>>> * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 >>>>>>> 12:20]: >>>>> [snip] >>>>>> Thanks Jim, >>>>>> >>>>>> I went ahead and added those lines. Here is the verbose >>>>>> output: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://pastebin.com/DUhrt8uP >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ok, I didn't see anything odd. I would note however that >>>>> FreeBSD 10-RCx is still undergoing fixes prior to release. >>>>> >>>>> pfsense 2.1 (latest stable version) is actually based on >>>>> FreeBSD 8.3 according to the release notes. >>>>> >>>>> If all you want to do is get your board to run FreeBSD, try >>>>> installing a slightly older version - 9.1, 9.2, or even 8.3 >>>>> directly. >>>>> >>>>> Releases for amd64 are at: >>>>> >>>>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ >>>> >>>> Good call on that. I tried the same configuration, with >>>> FreeBSD 8.4, and it worked! >>>> >>>> FreeBSD 8.4 dmesgd: >>>> http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2505 >>>> >>> >>> Thanks for posting JD! >>> >>>> FreeBSD 9.2 and FreeBSD 10 were a no-go. I'm still not sure >>>> why. >>> >>> Well, the obvious to me would be using mbr v gpt. >>> >>> What does the BIOS look like? That could very much matter. >> >> That very well could be it. The BIOS says it's coreboot 2.08.00, >> specifically, >> coreboot-EDK_2.08.00_20130410_221-1434-g871c820-dirty >> >> I've added the BIOS message here: http://pastebin.com/111eTfZm >> >>> >>> also, for troubleshooting, I believe that these two should help >>> in the /etc/rc.conf: >>> >>> rc_debug="YES" rc_info="YES" >>> >>> I need to get my hands on one or more of these too... > > Reraising the thread... > > Did you order through a reseller in the US or through PC Engines > directly? Pricing? > > I have a bunch of place I could start using these in the very > near-term.. replacing a lot of older Soekrii and Alixen. > > g If you're still interested, the APU1C is now in production and available for pre-order. http://www.pcengines.ch/order1.php?c=4 or http://store.netgate.com/PC-Engines-C69.aspx Specs: from http://www.pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm I'm not sure if the FreeBSD ?9 boot problem was ever sorted out on the production model. > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://www.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTQZZDAAoJEHIvhc7WejMgiUwIAJCNzsGLyAIKlK7n9vN81opw izdbrFShfCLlYCz1Ec+aZLWRMjdR1G74PNQgkX5L8SJWI14tWZXvtDeL54V+BP6M P8ZdBzENhcioVeWrCmNGwvYggxgj7+bMx3lngnxn2R1QhtzRJpCQsGwj/PmnDmHY xAZQ/BpFZYHJudi9aY1DEU0a5iekgvv6utXObI3A5HkPiWeKPU/9rhNCNiyaPJ6w UUtFUiaSDb5IlbP8sM2DWNrml0E6YFMrMK+ecujFGfUAuDe2ccvt9dA/RDT+g9/p /n3FYwptN7zq4CQv0LzD+IThnbOZVuQv18MI3F7653ci/3bwkZC9+q9VIq3os2w= =QIuF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sun Apr 6 14:21:42 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 14:21:42 -0400 Subject: [talk] [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <53419645.4030005@thegridsource.com> References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> <20131219021106.GA9319@jimby.name> <52B268F9.8050002@thegridsource.com> <20131219044554.GA9635@jimby.name> <52B312DC.80308@thegridsource.com> <52B314B3.4020901@ceetonetechnology.com> <52B32014.5020202@thegridsource.com> <52CEBCAD.40601@ceetonetechnology.com> <53419645.4030005@thegridsource.com> Message-ID: <53419B36.2020905@ceetonetechnology.com> Jared Davenport: > > > On 01/09/2014 10:13 AM, George Rosamond wrote: >> Jared Davenport: >>> >>> >>> On 12/19/2013 10:45 AM, George Rosamond wrote: >>>> Jared Davenport: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/18/2013 11:45 PM, Jim B. wrote: >>>>>> * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 >>>>>> 22:57]: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/18/2013 09:11 PM, Jim B. wrote: >>>>>>>> * Jared Davenport >>>>>>>> [2013-12-18 12:20]: >>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>> Thanks Jim, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I went ahead and added those lines. Here is the >>>>>>> verbose output: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://pastebin.com/DUhrt8uP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok, I didn't see anything odd. I would note however >>>>>> that FreeBSD 10-RCx is still undergoing fixes prior to >>>>>> release. >>>>>> >>>>>> pfsense 2.1 (latest stable version) is actually based on >>>>>> FreeBSD 8.3 according to the release notes. >>>>>> >>>>>> If all you want to do is get your board to run FreeBSD, >>>>>> try installing a slightly older version - 9.1, 9.2, or >>>>>> even 8.3 directly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Releases for amd64 are at: >>>>>> >>>>>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ >>>>> >>>>> Good call on that. I tried the same configuration, with >>>>> FreeBSD 8.4, and it worked! >>>>> >>>>> FreeBSD 8.4 dmesgd: >>>>> http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2505 >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for posting JD! >>>> >>>>> FreeBSD 9.2 and FreeBSD 10 were a no-go. I'm still not >>>>> sure why. >>>> >>>> Well, the obvious to me would be using mbr v gpt. >>>> >>>> What does the BIOS look like? That could very much matter. >>> >>> That very well could be it. The BIOS says it's coreboot >>> 2.08.00, specifically, >>> coreboot-EDK_2.08.00_20130410_221-1434-g871c820-dirty >>> >>> I've added the BIOS message here: http://pastebin.com/111eTfZm >>> >>>> >>>> also, for troubleshooting, I believe that these two should >>>> help in the /etc/rc.conf: >>>> >>>> rc_debug="YES" rc_info="YES" >>>> >>>> I need to get my hands on one or more of these too... > >> Reraising the thread... > >> Did you order through a reseller in the US or through PC Engines >> directly? Pricing? > >> I have a bunch of place I could start using these in the very >> near-term.. replacing a lot of older Soekrii and Alixen. > >> g > > If you're still interested, the APU1C is now in production and > available for pre-order. > > http://www.pcengines.ch/order1.php?c=4 or > http://store.netgate.com/PC-Engines-C69.aspx > > Specs: from http://www.pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm > > I'm not sure if the FreeBSD ?9 boot problem was ever sorted out on > the production model. > Yes... I'm just waiting on delivery at this point. How are people doing installs? Off install media directly? Netboot? Building an image and dd'g to the microsd card? also pfsense... all fine? It's 8.x, so any later problems shouldn't matter. g From jared at thegridsource.com Sun Apr 6 14:47:45 2014 From: jared at thegridsource.com (Jared Davenport) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 14:47:45 -0400 Subject: [talk] [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <53419B36.2020905@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> <20131219021106.GA9319@jimby.name> <52B268F9.8050002@thegridsource.com> <20131219044554.GA9635@jimby.name> <52B312DC.80308@thegridsource.com> <52B314B3.4020901@ceetonetechnology.com> <52B32014.5020202@thegridsource.com> <52CEBCAD.40601@ceetonetechnology.com> <53419645.4030005@thegridsource.com> <53419B36.2020905@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <5341A151.4080604@thegridsource.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/2014 02:21 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > Jared Davenport: >> >> >> On 01/09/2014 10:13 AM, George Rosamond wrote: >>> Jared Davenport: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/19/2013 10:45 AM, George Rosamond wrote: >>>>> Jared Davenport: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/18/2013 11:45 PM, Jim B. wrote: >>>>>>> * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 >>>>>>> 22:57]: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/18/2013 09:11 PM, Jim B. wrote: >>>>>>>>> * Jared Davenport >>>>>>>>> [2013-12-18 12:20]: >>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>> Thanks Jim, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I went ahead and added those lines. Here is the >>>>>>>> verbose output: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://pastebin.com/DUhrt8uP >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, I didn't see anything odd. I would note however >>>>>>> that FreeBSD 10-RCx is still undergoing fixes prior to >>>>>>> release. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> pfsense 2.1 (latest stable version) is actually based >>>>>>> on FreeBSD 8.3 according to the release notes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If all you want to do is get your board to run >>>>>>> FreeBSD, try installing a slightly older version - 9.1, >>>>>>> 9.2, or even 8.3 directly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Releases for amd64 are at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Good call on that. I tried the same configuration, with >>>>>> FreeBSD 8.4, and it worked! >>>>>> >>>>>> FreeBSD 8.4 dmesgd: >>>>>> http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2505 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for posting JD! >>>>> >>>>>> FreeBSD 9.2 and FreeBSD 10 were a no-go. I'm still not >>>>>> sure why. >>>>> >>>>> Well, the obvious to me would be using mbr v gpt. >>>>> >>>>> What does the BIOS look like? That could very much >>>>> matter. >>>> >>>> That very well could be it. The BIOS says it's coreboot >>>> 2.08.00, specifically, >>>> coreboot-EDK_2.08.00_20130410_221-1434-g871c820-dirty >>>> >>>> I've added the BIOS message here: >>>> http://pastebin.com/111eTfZm >>>> >>>>> >>>>> also, for troubleshooting, I believe that these two should >>>>> help in the /etc/rc.conf: >>>>> >>>>> rc_debug="YES" rc_info="YES" >>>>> >>>>> I need to get my hands on one or more of these too... >> >>> Reraising the thread... >> >>> Did you order through a reseller in the US or through PC >>> Engines directly? Pricing? >> >>> I have a bunch of place I could start using these in the very >>> near-term.. replacing a lot of older Soekrii and Alixen. >> >>> g >> >> If you're still interested, the APU1C is now in production and >> available for pre-order. >> >> http://www.pcengines.ch/order1.php?c=4 or >> http://store.netgate.com/PC-Engines-C69.aspx >> >> Specs: from http://www.pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm >> >> I'm not sure if the FreeBSD ?9 boot problem was ever sorted out >> on the production model. >> > > Yes... I'm just waiting on delivery at this point. > > How are people doing installs? Off install media directly? > Netboot? Building an image and dd'g to the microsd card? The APU I have came with a 16gb mSATA SSD (msata16a). I installed both FreeBSD & pfSense using a USB stick with the memstick install image, which I modified to boot into the serial console. It would be nice if we have APU-specific images that we can just dd to a SD/mSATA/USB device. > > also pfsense... all fine? It's 8.x, so any later problems > shouldn't matter. When I tested pfSense on the APU, it worked fine. FreeBSD 8.x also booted ok. > > g _______________________________________________ talk mailing > list talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTQaFQAAoJEHIvhc7WejMgUmIH/2ADkUbEJG3vVk5xdHOWxTME a9LOTsF7ornuRoLO4WheoWp7UU9UO2vwMll+jn3KdqME0sjnZVHkrtOw0iz8W3Fb YG/SV0pJcK82mVDBohrelgfAlx/hgeg0M6Eytw98UrvVOce3Vy9XM3KOJANtXZSH Np5LU7xJshzbGcKtMGPw2yfOsZ0VPU+1BCSE3BgsKVt5eyl+J3WMORXSelChAwfJ Ycxxyn/IXXjqXoCXT6iPxSAECU6BbXq+P2WZQOvGyBkTm+OpPehL1GyjqljpS4bI 63eTrTKQ1T30vURd0GSe15Q1bEx5CsjqK+XTxC2TCKLJBviFRXwSDaZXeyUn0rI= =WXqc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sun Apr 6 16:20:54 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 16:20:54 -0400 Subject: [talk] [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <5341A151.4080604@thegridsource.com> References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> <20131219021106.GA9319@jimby.name> <52B268F9.8050002@thegridsource.com> <20131219044554.GA9635@jimby.name> <52B312DC.80308@thegridsource.com> <52B314B3.4020901@ceetonetechnology.com> <52B32014.5020202@thegridsource.com> <52CEBCAD.40601@ceetonetechnology.com> <53419645.4030005@thegridsource.com> <53419B36.2020905@ceetonetechnology.com> <5341A151.4080604@thegridsource.com> Message-ID: <5341B726.2040408@ceetonetechnology.com> Jared Davenport: > > > On 04/06/2014 02:21 PM, George Rosamond wrote: >> Jared Davenport: >>> >>> >>> On 01/09/2014 10:13 AM, George Rosamond wrote: >>>> Jared Davenport: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/19/2013 10:45 AM, George Rosamond wrote: >>>>>> Jared Davenport: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/18/2013 11:45 PM, Jim B. wrote: >>>>>>>> * Jared Davenport >>>>>>>> [2013-12-18 22:57]: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/18/2013 09:11 PM, Jim B. wrote: >>>>>>>>>> * Jared Davenport >>>>>>>>>> [2013-12-18 12:20]: >>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>>> Thanks Jim, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I went ahead and added those lines. Here is the >>>>>>>>> verbose output: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://pastebin.com/DUhrt8uP >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok, I didn't see anything odd. I would note however >>>>>>>> that FreeBSD 10-RCx is still undergoing fixes prior >>>>>>>> to release. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> pfsense 2.1 (latest stable version) is actually >>>>>>>> based on FreeBSD 8.3 according to the release notes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If all you want to do is get your board to run >>>>>>>> FreeBSD, try installing a slightly older version - >>>>>>>> 9.1, 9.2, or even 8.3 directly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Releases for amd64 are at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good call on that. I tried the same configuration, >>>>>>> with FreeBSD 8.4, and it worked! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FreeBSD 8.4 dmesgd: >>>>>>> http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2505 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for posting JD! >>>>>> >>>>>>> FreeBSD 9.2 and FreeBSD 10 were a no-go. I'm still not >>>>>>> sure why. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, the obvious to me would be using mbr v gpt. >>>>>> >>>>>> What does the BIOS look like? That could very much >>>>>> matter. >>>>> >>>>> That very well could be it. The BIOS says it's coreboot >>>>> 2.08.00, specifically, >>>>> coreboot-EDK_2.08.00_20130410_221-1434-g871c820-dirty >>>>> >>>>> I've added the BIOS message here: >>>>> http://pastebin.com/111eTfZm >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> also, for troubleshooting, I believe that these two >>>>>> should help in the /etc/rc.conf: >>>>>> >>>>>> rc_debug="YES" rc_info="YES" >>>>>> >>>>>> I need to get my hands on one or more of these too... >>> >>>> Reraising the thread... >>> >>>> Did you order through a reseller in the US or through PC >>>> Engines directly? Pricing? >>> >>>> I have a bunch of place I could start using these in the very >>>> near-term.. replacing a lot of older Soekrii and Alixen. >>> >>>> g >>> >>> If you're still interested, the APU1C is now in production and >>> available for pre-order. >>> >>> http://www.pcengines.ch/order1.php?c=4 or >>> http://store.netgate.com/PC-Engines-C69.aspx >>> >>> Specs: from http://www.pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm >>> >>> I'm not sure if the FreeBSD ?9 boot problem was ever sorted >>> out on the production model. >>> > >> Yes... I'm just waiting on delivery at this point. > >> How are people doing installs? Off install media directly? >> Netboot? Building an image and dd'g to the microsd card? > > The APU I have came with a 16gb mSATA SSD (msata16a). I installed > both FreeBSD & pfSense using a USB stick with the memstick install > image, which I modified to boot into the serial console. Cool. But you couldnt book FBSD 10.x or -current, right? Was that resolved? > > It would be nice if we have APU-specific images that we can just dd > to a SD/mSATA/USB device. > Sure... very nice. I know gjb@ has been working on RPi images. There is really too much hardware out there to start doing images for, with too many FreeBSD branches that are live, on too many architectures. RPi has a 'flavor of the day' feel (or did?) that it does sorta justify doing images for. > >> also pfsense... all fine? It's 8.x, so any later problems >> shouldn't matter. > > When I tested pfSense on the APU, it worked fine. FreeBSD 8.x > also booted ok. k. g From jared at thegridsource.com Sun Apr 6 17:58:47 2014 From: jared at thegridsource.com (Jared Davenport) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 17:58:47 -0400 Subject: [talk] [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <5341B726.2040408@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> <20131219021106.GA9319@jimby.name> <52B268F9.8050002@thegridsource.com> <20131219044554.GA9635@jimby.name> <52B312DC.80308@thegridsource.com> <52B314B3.4020901@ceetonetechnology.com> <52B32014.5020202@thegridsource.com> <52CEBCAD.40601@ceetonetechnology.com> <53419645.4030005@thegridsource.com> <53419B36.2020905@ceetonetechnology.com> <5341A151.4080604@thegridsource.com> <5341B726.2040408@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <5341CE17.3030206@thegridsource.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/2014 04:20 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > Jared Davenport: >> >> >> On 04/06/2014 02:21 PM, George Rosamond wrote: >>> Jared Davenport: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 01/09/2014 10:13 AM, George Rosamond wrote: >>>>> Jared Davenport: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/19/2013 10:45 AM, George Rosamond wrote: >>>>>>> Jared Davenport: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/18/2013 11:45 PM, Jim B. wrote: >>>>>>>>> * Jared Davenport >>>>>>>>> [2013-12-18 22:57]: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/2013 09:11 PM, Jim B. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> * Jared Davenport >>>>>>>>>>> [2013-12-18 12:20]: >>>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>>>> Thanks Jim, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I went ahead and added those lines. Here is the >>>>>>>>>> verbose output: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://pastebin.com/DUhrt8uP >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok, I didn't see anything odd. I would note >>>>>>>>> however that FreeBSD 10-RCx is still undergoing >>>>>>>>> fixes prior to release. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> pfsense 2.1 (latest stable version) is actually >>>>>>>>> based on FreeBSD 8.3 according to the release >>>>>>>>> notes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If all you want to do is get your board to run >>>>>>>>> FreeBSD, try installing a slightly older version - >>>>>>>>> 9.1, 9.2, or even 8.3 directly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Releases for amd64 are at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good call on that. I tried the same configuration, >>>>>>>> with FreeBSD 8.4, and it worked! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FreeBSD 8.4 dmesgd: >>>>>>>> http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2505 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for posting JD! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FreeBSD 9.2 and FreeBSD 10 were a no-go. I'm still >>>>>>>> not sure why. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, the obvious to me would be using mbr v gpt. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What does the BIOS look like? That could very much >>>>>>> matter. >>>>>> >>>>>> That very well could be it. The BIOS says it's coreboot >>>>>> 2.08.00, specifically, >>>>>> coreboot-EDK_2.08.00_20130410_221-1434-g871c820-dirty >>>>>> >>>>>> I've added the BIOS message here: >>>>>> http://pastebin.com/111eTfZm >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> also, for troubleshooting, I believe that these two >>>>>>> should help in the /etc/rc.conf: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> rc_debug="YES" rc_info="YES" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I need to get my hands on one or more of these too... >>>> >>>>> Reraising the thread... >>>> >>>>> Did you order through a reseller in the US or through PC >>>>> Engines directly? Pricing? >>>> >>>>> I have a bunch of place I could start using these in the >>>>> very near-term.. replacing a lot of older Soekrii and >>>>> Alixen. >>>> >>>>> g >>>> >>>> If you're still interested, the APU1C is now in production >>>> and available for pre-order. >>>> >>>> http://www.pcengines.ch/order1.php?c=4 or >>>> http://store.netgate.com/PC-Engines-C69.aspx >>>> >>>> Specs: from http://www.pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm >>>> >>>> I'm not sure if the FreeBSD ?9 boot problem was ever sorted >>>> out on the production model. >>>> >> >>> Yes... I'm just waiting on delivery at this point. >> >>> How are people doing installs? Off install media directly? >>> Netboot? Building an image and dd'g to the microsd card? >> >> The APU I have came with a 16gb mSATA SSD (msata16a). I >> installed both FreeBSD & pfSense using a USB stick with the >> memstick install image, which I modified to boot into the serial >> console. > > Cool. But you couldnt book FBSD 10.x or -current, right? > > Was that resolved? FreeBSD 9, 10, and -CURRENT were unable to boot when I tested. John Baldwin helped figure out that it was probably an ACPI problem with the firmware on the test APU, which was preventing later versions of FreeBSD from loading, but I'm not sure if the issue's been resolved on the production model. It would be nice to check. > >> >> It would be nice if we have APU-specific images that we can just >> dd to a SD/mSATA/USB device. >> > > Sure... very nice. > > I know gjb@ has been working on RPi images. There is really too > much hardware out there to start doing images for, with too many > FreeBSD branches that are live, on too many architectures. > > RPi has a 'flavor of the day' feel (or did?) that it does sorta > justify doing images for. > >> >>> also pfsense... all fine? It's 8.x, so any later problems >>> shouldn't matter. >> >> When I tested pfSense on the APU, it worked fine. FreeBSD 8.x >> also booted ok. > > k. > > g _______________________________________________ talk mailing > list talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTQc4WAAoJEHIvhc7WejMgVEsIAJ3UvsfVPLp1+H9rId4FIcOO AWJuuh9DXISLNTZXCWA4M2Lj/iY8LdaDnTQ+CXW/ADj2PwWMREMdTBApv9bD1TZ8 AvUTfpJASmzI17oT6o1UVcvWcOi5Z/meV9uPrnJCx6CjQXLPFU+qR6B0/zLXxbw9 EI5oRerikBnDPmDPWrbrUQY8oMsjea222HwiMRuD4wCSFuxcu+AaCxC6RLMt/BI/ coqsyBdNn478EUsegCRRBubdpDkmmGtlfPOgFWfVaLzGLyDtHy8eCh4g7Qf537ZQ 0+hJWLlqYDH6QcKfvbGuoXW9Q5bICj5LrIZPq/dqqfaEs6B6NlxqnOOPKQvCTFs= =UVVZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From okan at demirmen.com Sun Apr 6 19:47:23 2014 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 19:47:23 -0400 Subject: [talk] [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <5341CE17.3030206@thegridsource.com> References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> <20131219021106.GA9319@jimby.name> <52B268F9.8050002@thegridsource.com> <20131219044554.GA9635@jimby.name> <52B312DC.80308@thegridsource.com> <52B314B3.4020901@ceetonetechnology.com> <52B32014.5020202@thegridsource.com> <52CEBCAD.40601@ceetonetechnology.com> <53419645.4030005@thegridsource.com> <53419B36.2020905@ceetonetechnology.com> <5341A151.4080604@thegridsource.com> <5341B726.2040408@ceetonetechnology.com> <5341CE17.3030206@thegridsource.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Jared Davenport wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 04/06/2014 04:20 PM, George Rosamond wrote: >> Jared Davenport: >>> >>> >>> On 04/06/2014 02:21 PM, George Rosamond wrote: >>>> Jared Davenport: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 01/09/2014 10:13 AM, George Rosamond wrote: >>>>>> Jared Davenport: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/19/2013 10:45 AM, George Rosamond wrote: >>>>>>>> Jared Davenport: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/18/2013 11:45 PM, Jim B. wrote: >>>>>>>>>> * Jared Davenport >>>>>>>>>> [2013-12-18 22:57]: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/2013 09:11 PM, Jim B. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> * Jared Davenport >>>>>>>>>>>> [2013-12-18 12:20]: >>>>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Jim, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I went ahead and added those lines. Here is the >>>>>>>>>>> verbose output: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://pastebin.com/DUhrt8uP >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ok, I didn't see anything odd. I would note >>>>>>>>>> however that FreeBSD 10-RCx is still undergoing >>>>>>>>>> fixes prior to release. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> pfsense 2.1 (latest stable version) is actually >>>>>>>>>> based on FreeBSD 8.3 according to the release >>>>>>>>>> notes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If all you want to do is get your board to run >>>>>>>>>> FreeBSD, try installing a slightly older version - >>>>>>>>>> 9.1, 9.2, or even 8.3 directly. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Releases for amd64 are at: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good call on that. I tried the same configuration, >>>>>>>>> with FreeBSD 8.4, and it worked! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FreeBSD 8.4 dmesgd: >>>>>>>>> http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2505 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for posting JD! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> FreeBSD 9.2 and FreeBSD 10 were a no-go. I'm still >>>>>>>>> not sure why. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, the obvious to me would be using mbr v gpt. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What does the BIOS look like? That could very much >>>>>>>> matter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That very well could be it. The BIOS says it's coreboot >>>>>>> 2.08.00, specifically, >>>>>>> coreboot-EDK_2.08.00_20130410_221-1434-g871c820-dirty >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've added the BIOS message here: >>>>>>> http://pastebin.com/111eTfZm >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> also, for troubleshooting, I believe that these two >>>>>>>> should help in the /etc/rc.conf: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> rc_debug="YES" rc_info="YES" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I need to get my hands on one or more of these too... >>>>> >>>>>> Reraising the thread... >>>>> >>>>>> Did you order through a reseller in the US or through PC >>>>>> Engines directly? Pricing? >>>>> >>>>>> I have a bunch of place I could start using these in the >>>>>> very near-term.. replacing a lot of older Soekrii and >>>>>> Alixen. >>>>> >>>>>> g >>>>> >>>>> If you're still interested, the APU1C is now in production >>>>> and available for pre-order. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.pcengines.ch/order1.php?c=4 or >>>>> http://store.netgate.com/PC-Engines-C69.aspx >>>>> >>>>> Specs: from http://www.pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure if the FreeBSD ?9 boot problem was ever sorted >>>>> out on the production model. >>>>> >>> >>>> Yes... I'm just waiting on delivery at this point. >>> >>>> How are people doing installs? Off install media directly? >>>> Netboot? Building an image and dd'g to the microsd card? >>> >>> The APU I have came with a 16gb mSATA SSD (msata16a). I >>> installed both FreeBSD & pfSense using a USB stick with the >>> memstick install image, which I modified to boot into the serial >>> console. >> >> Cool. But you couldnt book FBSD 10.x or -current, right? >> >> Was that resolved? > > FreeBSD 9, 10, and -CURRENT were unable to boot when I tested. John > Baldwin helped figure out that it was probably an ACPI problem with > the firmware on the test APU, which was preventing later versions of > FreeBSD from loading, but I'm not sure if the issue's been resolved on > the production model. It would be nice to check. I don't follow this stuff closely, but there have been issues with the BIOS being broken, up to just last week or so when a fixed BIOS was finally released. >>> It would be nice if we have APU-specific images that we can just >>> dd to a SD/mSATA/USB device. >>> >> >> Sure... very nice. >> >> I know gjb@ has been working on RPi images. There is really too >> much hardware out there to start doing images for, with too many >> FreeBSD branches that are live, on too many architectures. >> >> RPi has a 'flavor of the day' feel (or did?) that it does sorta >> justify doing images for. >> >>> >>>> also pfsense... all fine? It's 8.x, so any later problems >>>> shouldn't matter. >>> >>> When I tested pfSense on the APU, it worked fine. FreeBSD 8.x >>> also booted ok. >> >> k. >> >> g _______________________________________________ talk mailing >> list talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTQc4WAAoJEHIvhc7WejMgVEsIAJ3UvsfVPLp1+H9rId4FIcOO > AWJuuh9DXISLNTZXCWA4M2Lj/iY8LdaDnTQ+CXW/ADj2PwWMREMdTBApv9bD1TZ8 > AvUTfpJASmzI17oT6o1UVcvWcOi5Z/meV9uPrnJCx6CjQXLPFU+qR6B0/zLXxbw9 > EI5oRerikBnDPmDPWrbrUQY8oMsjea222HwiMRuD4wCSFuxcu+AaCxC6RLMt/BI/ > coqsyBdNn478EUsegCRRBubdpDkmmGtlfPOgFWfVaLzGLyDtHy8eCh4g7Qf537ZQ > 0+hJWLlqYDH6QcKfvbGuoXW9Q5bICj5LrIZPq/dqqfaEs6B6NlxqnOOPKQvCTFs= > =UVVZ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 12:28:21 2014 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Patrick McEvoy) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 12:28:21 -0400 Subject: [talk] 2 more Con videos posted over the weekend. Message-ID: <5342D225.8060403@gmail.com> NetBSD and Netflix videos posted: https://www.youtube.com/user/BSDTVvideos Enjoy. P From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Apr 7 12:39:47 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 12:39:47 -0400 Subject: [talk] 2 more Con videos posted over the weekend. In-Reply-To: <5342D225.8060403@gmail.com> References: <5342D225.8060403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5342D4D3.6010702@ceetonetechnology.com> Patrick McEvoy: > NetBSD and Netflix videos posted: > > https://www.youtube.com/user/BSDTVvideos > thanks again Patrick. Great job on this stuff... long after most people forget about the con, the work continues... g From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 16:39:41 2014 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Patrick McEvoy) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 16:39:41 -0400 Subject: [talk] Random Number talk from April first posted Message-ID: <53430D0D.7040500@gmail.com> Just an FYI to everyone that the Random Number talk given at NYU on April first has been posted: http://youtu.be/IkpewYTbOkU If someone could add it to the talk page on the NYCBUG page that would be great: http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=event&do=view&id=10346#10346 Enjoy, P From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Apr 7 22:55:03 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 22:55:03 -0400 Subject: [talk] [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> <20131219021106.GA9319@jimby.name> <52B268F9.8050002@thegridsource.com> <20131219044554.GA9635@jimby.name> <52B312DC.80308@thegridsource.com> <52B314B3.4020901@ceetonetechnology.com> <52B32014.5020202@thegridsource.com> <52CEBCAD.40601@ceetonetechnology.com> <53419645.4030005@thegridsource.com> <53419B36.2020905@ceetonetechnology.com> <5341A151.4080604@thegridsource.com> <5341B726.2040408@ceetonetechnology.com> <5341CE17.3030206@thegridsource.com> Message-ID: <53436507.9020406@ceetonetechnology.com> Okan Demirmen: > On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Jared Davenport wrote: > > > On 04/06/2014 04:20 PM, George Rosamond wrote: >>>> Jared Davenport: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 04/06/2014 02:21 PM, George Rosamond wrote: >>>>>> Jared Davenport: Fat ... Got mine today.. been playing around for a while. First, the heat sink issue has to be dealt with. Unfortunately, I only got one case for three boards (think circuit board art motif), and I'm worried about overheating without a case and the heat dissipation. Second, it was a headache to update the BIOS to the April 1 version apu140401.rom. I used the gooze.eu method with syslinux, and of course since it decompresses on boot, the easiest route is to put the .rom on another media, like an SD card. http://www.gooze.eu/howto/pc-engines-unofficial-bios-howto And in wonderful true standards fashion, "failing" seems to mean success. When does 1 mean 0. . . http://www.gooze.eu/howto/pc-engines-unofficial-bios-howto/flashing-apu-bios-using-usb-disc I assume it flashed correctly, as it seems to boot fine with: Build date: Apr 1 2014 I only tried pfSense off a couple of SD cards several times and was always stuck at: Booting from Hard Disk... Booting from 0000:7c00 1 pfSense 2 pfSense F6 PXE Boot: 1 \ Each time with multiple cards. I am devoid of the fortitude to continue with this venture tonight. I think I have the right version of pfSense with pfSense-2.1.1-RELEASE-4g-amd64-nanobsd.img.gz, but at this point, I'm looking to jump back in tomorrow. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Apr 8 09:04:32 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 09:04:32 -0400 Subject: [talk] [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <53436507.9020406@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> <20131219021106.GA9319@jimby.name> <52B268F9.8050002@thegridsource.com> <20131219044554.GA9635@jimby.name> <52B312DC.80308@thegridsource.com> <52B314B3.4020901@ceetonetechnology.com> <52B32014.5020202@thegridsource.com> <52CEBCAD.40601@ceetonetechnology.com> <53419645.4030005@thegridsource.com> <53419B36.2020905@ceetonetechnology.com> <5341A151.4080604@thegridsource.com> <5341B726.2040408@ceetonetechnology.com> <5341CE17.3030206@thegridsource.com> <53436507.9020406@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <5343F3E0.4020204@ceetonetechnology.com> George Rosamond: > Okan Demirmen: >> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Jared Davenport wrote: >> >> >> On 04/06/2014 04:20 PM, George Rosamond wrote: >>>>> Jared Davenport: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04/06/2014 02:21 PM, George Rosamond wrote: >>>>>>> Jared Davenport: > > Fat ... > > Got mine today.. been playing around for a while. > > First, the heat sink issue has to be dealt with. Unfortunately, I only > got one case for three boards (think circuit board art motif), and I'm > worried about overheating without a case and the heat dissipation. > > Second, it was a headache to update the BIOS to the April 1 version > apu140401.rom. > > I used the gooze.eu method with syslinux, and of course since it > decompresses on boot, the easiest route is to put the .rom on another > media, like an SD card. > > http://www.gooze.eu/howto/pc-engines-unofficial-bios-howto > > And in wonderful true standards fashion, "failing" seems to mean > success. When does 1 mean 0. . . > > http://www.gooze.eu/howto/pc-engines-unofficial-bios-howto/flashing-apu-bios-using-usb-disc > > I assume it flashed correctly, as it seems to boot fine with: > > Build date: Apr 1 2014 > > I only tried pfSense off a couple of SD cards several times and was > always stuck at: > > Booting from Hard Disk... > Booting from 0000:7c00 > > 1 pfSense > 2 pfSense > > F6 PXE > Boot: 1 > \ > > Each time with multiple cards. > > I am devoid of the fortitude to continue with this venture tonight. I > think I have the right version of pfSense with > pfSense-2.1.1-RELEASE-4g-amd64-nanobsd.img.gz, but at this point, I'm > looking to jump back in tomorrow. Of course pfSense looks for 9600, while the APU defaults to 115200. Solved on that... g From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 08:53:59 2014 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Patrick McEvoy) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 08:53:59 -0400 Subject: [talk] Dru ZFS talk on the way... Message-ID: <534542E7.6040205@gmail.com> Should be up by the time you read this. http://youtu.be/DAmZ3cbfigA Just past the half way mark. P From okan at demirmen.com Wed Apr 9 09:51:04 2014 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 09:51:04 -0400 Subject: [talk] Random Number talk from April first posted In-Reply-To: <53430D0D.7040500@gmail.com> References: <53430D0D.7040500@gmail.com> Message-ID: forgot to reply the other day, but link posted - thanks! On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Patrick McEvoy wrote: > Just an FYI to everyone that the Random Number talk given at NYU on > April first has been posted: > > http://youtu.be/IkpewYTbOkU > > If someone could add it to the talk page on the NYCBUG page that would > be great: > http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=event&do=view&id=10346#10346 > > Enjoy, > P > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From jhb at freebsd.org Wed Apr 9 14:40:48 2014 From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 14:40:48 -0400 Subject: [talk] [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <5341CE17.3030206@thegridsource.com> References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> <5341B726.2040408@ceetonetechnology.com> <5341CE17.3030206@thegridsource.com> Message-ID: <201404091440.48703.jhb@freebsd.org> On Sunday, April 06, 2014 5:58:47 pm Jared Davenport wrote: > > On 04/06/2014 04:20 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > > Cool. But you couldnt book FBSD 10.x or -current, right? > > > > Was that resolved? > > FreeBSD 9, 10, and -CURRENT were unable to boot when I tested. John > Baldwin helped figure out that it was probably an ACPI problem with > the firmware on the test APU, which was preventing later versions of > FreeBSD from loading, but I'm not sure if the issue's been resolved on > the production model. It would be nice to check. The workaround for those branches is checked in, but I think it is still more recent than the latest releases. -- John Baldwin From mark.saad at ymail.com Wed Apr 9 18:17:08 2014 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 18:17:08 -0400 Subject: [talk] This is a test Message-ID: <34FDEC8A-9A95-4C98-8101-493697CBA281@ymail.com> All I want to see I yahoo's new dmarc policy ears this email . Sounds like it's time to get off yahoo . --- Mark From mark.saad at ymail.com Wed Apr 9 20:18:30 2014 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 20:18:30 -0400 Subject: [talk] This is a test In-Reply-To: <34FDEC8A-9A95-4C98-8101-493697CBA281@ymail.com> References: <34FDEC8A-9A95-4C98-8101-493697CBA281@ymail.com> Message-ID: > On Apr 9, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Mark Saad wrote: > > All > I want to see I yahoo's new dmarc policy ears this email . I meant eats not ears . > Sounds like it's time to get off yahoo . > > --- So the email made it and no bounce . Has anyone else had issues ? Please email me off list if you can not post . > Mark > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmacgreg at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 21:28:21 2014 From: cmacgreg at gmail.com (Craig MacGregor) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 21:28:21 -0400 Subject: [talk] This is a test (not just a test) Message-ID: It should only be an issue for @yahoo.com addresses (not @ymail.com), when received by a mail service that also honors DMARC (notably, gmail. probably aol and yahoo itself, too). Mailman doesn't seem to strip out the yahoo DKIM headers; does anybody want to try sending to the list with an @ yahoo.com address? My guess is that gmail users won't see it. It is interesting to note that they have only enabled DMARC "reject" on the primary yahoo.com, not ymail.com: $ dig txt _dmarc.yahoo.com #... ;; ANSWER SECTION: _dmarc.yahoo.com. 1398 IN TXT "v=DMARC1\; p=reject\; sp=none\; pct=100\; rua=mailto:dmarc-yahoo-rua at yahoo-inc.com, mailto: dmarc_y_rua at yahoo.com\;" $ dig txt _dmarc.ymail.com #... ;; ANSWER SECTION: _dmarc.ymail.com. 6448 IN TXT "v=DMARC1\; p=none\; pct=100\; rua=mailto:dmarc-yahoo-rua at yahoo-inc.com\;" the "p=" is the important part: "reject" any messages that don't pass DKIM and SPF, vs "none", which is effectively test mode; the only action taken is that a daily delivery log is sent to the address in the record. -craig On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Mark Saad wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Mark Saad wrote: > > All > I want to see I yahoo's new dmarc policy ears this email . > > > I meant eats not ears . > > > Sounds like it's time to get off yahoo . > > --- > > > So the email made it and no bounce . Has anyone else had issues ? Please > email me off list if you can not post . > > > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.saad at ymail.com Wed Apr 9 23:07:36 2014 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 23:07:36 -0400 Subject: [talk] This is a test (not just a test) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53460AF8.9060302@ymail.com> Craig On 4/9/14, 9:28 PM, Craig MacGregor wrote: > It should only be an issue for @yahoo.com addresses > (not @ymail.com ), when received by a mail service > that also honors DMARC (notably, gmail. probably aol and yahoo itself, > too). Mailman doesn't seem to strip out the yahoo DKIM headers; does > anybody want to try sending to the list with an @yahoo.com > address? My guess is that gmail users won't see it. > > It is interesting to note that they have only enabled DMARC "reject" on > the primary yahoo.com , not ymail.com : > > $ dig txt _dmarc.yahoo.com > #... > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > _dmarc.yahoo.com . 1398 IN TXT > "v=DMARC1\; p=reject\; sp=none\; pct=100\; > rua=mailto:dmarc-yahoo-rua at yahoo-inc.com > , mailto:dmarc_y_rua at yahoo.com > \;" > > $ dig txt _dmarc.ymail.com > > #... > ;; ANSWER SECTION: > _dmarc.ymail.com . 6448 IN TXT > "v=DMARC1\; p=none\; pct=100\; rua=mailto:dmarc-yahoo-rua at yahoo-inc.com > \;" > Consistency at its best. I did not event think to verify that they did this for ymail.com Good catch. > the "p=" is the important part: "reject" any messages that don't pass > DKIM and SPF, vs "none", which is effectively test mode; the only action > taken is that a daily delivery log is sent to the address in the record. > > -craig > Also why would they send the log to their internal corp email servers for ymail.com ? Also if memory serves me right that is exchange . :) > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Mark Saad > wrote: > > > > On Apr 9, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Mark Saad > wrote: > >> All >> I want to see I yahoo's new dmarc policy ears this email . > > I meant eats not ears . > > >> Sounds like it's time to get off yahoo . >> >> --- > > > > So the email made it and no bounce . Has anyone else had issues ? > Please email me off list if you can not post . > > > >> Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > Mark > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > -- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Apr 10 07:53:32 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 07:53:32 -0400 Subject: [talk] J&R closing Message-ID: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> Woah... http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-shutting-electronics-store-article-1.1751239 That's a bit sudden. g From chsnyder at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 08:03:12 2014 From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 08:03:12 -0400 Subject: [talk] J&R closing In-Reply-To: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:53 AM, George Rosamond < george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: > Woah... > > > http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-shutting-electronics-store-article-1.1751239 > > That's a bit sudden. > > Does anyone else think that the phrase "unprecedented retailing concept and social mecca" is a euphemism for bankruptcy? 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URL: From brian.gupta at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 09:25:46 2014 From: brian.gupta at gmail.com (Brian Gupta) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:25:46 -0400 Subject: [talk] J&R closing In-Reply-To: References: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: - Brian Gupta New York City user groups calendar: http://nyc.brandorr.com/ On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Robin Polak wrote: > > On Apr 10, 2014 7:57 AM, "George Rosamond" > wrote: > > > > Woah... > > > > > http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-shutting-electronics-store-article-1.1751239 > > > > That's a bit sudden. > > > > g > > _ > > Any word of a liquidation sale? :-) > Well so far no word about the online store shutting down, so maybe no liquidation sale. Also as far as bankruptcy goes, maybe not. The Friedman's own much of the real estate that J&R occupied/occupies. They probably came to the realization that after 50 years of real estate appreciation and Amazon/iTunes basically gutting their core businesses, it was just time to become landlords. Here's a NY TImes article from last year that in hindsight, sorta predicts this whole thing. [1] -Brian [1] - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/24/nyregion/jr-alters-the-blocklong-layout-its-known-for.html?_r=0 ______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Apr 10 09:28:00 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:28:00 -0400 Subject: [talk] J&R closing In-Reply-To: References: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <53469C60.3050204@ceetonetechnology.com> Robin Polak: > On Apr 10, 2014 7:57 AM, "George Rosamond" > wrote: >> >> Woah... >> >> > http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-shutting-electronics-store-article-1.1751239 >> >> That's a bit sudden. >> >> g >> _ > > Any word of a liquidation sale? :-) If I didn't know already, I'd guess you were working in finance The sharks smell blood in the water... ;) g From zippy1981 at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 09:33:51 2014 From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:33:51 -0400 Subject: [talk] J&R closing In-Reply-To: References: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Chris Snyder wrote: > Does anyone else think that the phrase "unprecedented retailing concept > and social mecca" is a euphemism for bankruptcy? > I'm guessing they sold or leased out to someone who wants to put in a mall with food court and wifi. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Robin Polak wrote: > Any word of a liquidation sale? :-) > This seems so sudden that it had to be perfectly planned. I doubt there will be much besides the floor models. Since warehouse pickers fufill your order from upstairs after you make your purchase, its quite possible that there's very little merchandise anyway. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zippy1981 at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 09:34:27 2014 From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:34:27 -0400 Subject: [talk] J&R closing In-Reply-To: References: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: Any word on Weinstein's? Are they closing too? On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Justin Dearing wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Chris Snyder wrote: > >> Does anyone else think that the phrase "unprecedented retailing concept >> and social mecca" is a euphemism for bankruptcy? >> > > I'm guessing they sold or leased out to someone who wants to put in a mall > with food court and wifi. > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Robin Polak wrote: > >> Any word of a liquidation sale? :-) >> > > This seems so sudden that it had to be perfectly planned. I doubt there > will be much besides the floor models. Since warehouse pickers fufill your > order from upstairs after you make your purchase, its quite possible that > there's very little merchandise anyway. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Apr 10 13:26:44 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:26:44 -0400 Subject: [talk] J&R closing In-Reply-To: References: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <5346D454.7040209@ceetonetechnology.com> Chris Snyder: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:53 AM, George Rosamond < > george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: > >> Woah... >> >> >> http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-shutting-electronics-store-article-1.1751239 >> >> That's a bit sudden. >> >> > Does anyone else think that the phrase "unprecedented retailing concept and > social mecca" is a euphemism for bankruptcy? Yes... I reread that a few times trying to figure out what it meant. Also, a Micro Center opened in Brooklyn on 3rd ave and 31st street. Anyone been there yet? microcenter.com Prices don't seem that bad. g From scottro at nyc.rr.com Thu Apr 10 13:42:33 2014 From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:42:33 -0400 Subject: [talk] J&R closing In-Reply-To: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <20140410174233.GB1973@scott1.scottro.net> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 07:53:32AM -0400, George Rosamond wrote: > Woah... > > http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-shutting-electronics-store-article-1.1751239 > > That's a bit sudden. > Wow. That is sad. They were actually one of the lower priced brick and mortar places around, and often had a larger selection than some others. I try to make a few purchases a year at a brick and mortar, just to sort of give back for the chance to go in and actually look at products. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 From mike at myownsoho.net Thu Apr 10 13:52:35 2014 From: mike at myownsoho.net (Mike N.) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:52:35 -0400 Subject: [talk] J&R closing In-Reply-To: <5346D454.7040209@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> <5346D454.7040209@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On 2014-04-10 13:26, George Rosamond wrote: > Chris Snyder: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:53 AM, George Rosamond < george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: Woah... http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-shutting-electronics-store-article-1.1751239 [1] That's a bit sudden. Does anyone else think that the phrase "unprecedented retailing concept and social mecca" is a euphemism for bankruptcy? Yes... I reread that a few times trying to figure out what it meant. Also, a Micro Center opened in Brooklyn on 3rd ave and 31st street. Anyone been there yet? microcenter.com Prices don't seem that bad. g I've been a fan of Microcenter for a long time. They have a quite good selection of DIY stuff (including Beagle boards, Pi's, and even Xbee kits at near-internet market prices). It's a nice place, kinda good location (between VZ bridge and Prospect Expy). I usually find myself going there to purchase tools or oddities. I am used to the location in Yonkers, which is also nice, but the BK location is much bigger! honestly, I wish them luck. mike-- Links: ------ [1] http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-shutting-electronics-store-article-1.1751239 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The only real issue I had was that store always seemed to be 120 degrees for some reason, even in the middle of winter. :) From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 14:54:20 2014 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Patrick McEvoy) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:54:20 -0400 Subject: [talk] J&R closing In-Reply-To: <5346D454.7040209@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> <5346D454.7040209@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <5346E8DC.3040303@gmail.com> George Rosamond wrote: > Chris Snyder: >> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:53 AM, George Rosamond < >> george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: >> >>> Woah... >>> >>> >>> http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-shutting-electronics-store-article-1.1751239 >>> >>> That's a bit sudden. >>> >>> >> Does anyone else think that the phrase "unprecedented retailing concept and >> social mecca" is a euphemism for bankruptcy? > > Yes... I reread that a few times trying to figure out what it meant. > > Also, a Micro Center opened in Brooklyn on 3rd ave and 31st street. > Anyone been there yet? > > microcenter.com > > Prices don't seem that bad. > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk I have been to the Yonkers and LI stores. Pretty good selection and price. You have to do a bit of digging, but is the one of the few places that will actually HAVE that thing you suddenly NEED in order to save someone's bacon. Lots of esoteric parts and a good drive selection. They have a focus on system builders too. I would be surprised if Brooklyn is any different, probably just a bit more ink on the sales people. :-) P From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Apr 10 18:23:07 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 18:23:07 -0400 Subject: [talk] J&R closing In-Reply-To: <5346E8DC.3040303@gmail.com> References: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> <5346D454.7040209@ceetonetechnology.com> <5346E8DC.3040303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <534719CB.4060907@ceetonetechnology.com> Patrick McEvoy: > > > George Rosamond wrote: >> Chris Snyder: >>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:53 AM, George Rosamond < >>> george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Woah... >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-shutting-electronics-store-article-1.1751239 >>>> >>>> >>>> That's a bit sudden. >>>> >>>> >>> Does anyone else think that the phrase "unprecedented retailing >>> concept and social mecca" is a euphemism for bankruptcy? >> >> Yes... I reread that a few times trying to figure out what it >> meant. >> >> Also, a Micro Center opened in Brooklyn on 3rd ave and 31st >> street. Anyone been there yet? >> >> microcenter.com >> >> Prices don't seem that bad. >> >> g >> >> _______________________________________________ talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > I have been to the Yonkers and LI stores. Pretty good selection and > price. You have to do a bit of digging, but is the one of the few > places that will actually HAVE that thing you suddenly NEED in order > to save someone's bacon. Lots of esoteric parts and a good drive > selection. They have a focus on system builders too. I would be > surprised if Brooklyn is any different, probably just a bit more ink > on the sales people. :-) "ink on the sales people"? no idea what that means... I *did* walk by J&R today... already shutdown, everything. Gated, the whole 9. Long poster up basically saying the same cryptic stuff that the News article said. g From robin.polak at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 18:30:58 2014 From: robin.polak at gmail.com (Robin Polak) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 18:30:58 -0400 Subject: [talk] J&R closing In-Reply-To: <534719CB.4060907@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> <5346D454.7040209@ceetonetechnology.com> <5346E8DC.3040303@gmail.com> <534719CB.4060907@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:23 PM, George Rosamond < george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: > Patrick McEvoy: > > > > > > George Rosamond wrote: > >> Chris Snyder: > >>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:53 AM, George Rosamond < > >>> george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Woah... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-shutting-electronics-store-article-1.1751239 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > That's a bit sudden. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Does anyone else think that the phrase "unprecedented retailing > >>> concept and social mecca" is a euphemism for bankruptcy? > >> > >> Yes... I reread that a few times trying to figure out what it > >> meant. > >> > >> Also, a Micro Center opened in Brooklyn on 3rd ave and 31st > >> street. Anyone been there yet? > >> > >> microcenter.com > >> > >> Prices don't seem that bad. > >> > >> g > >> > >> _______________________________________________ talk mailing list > >> talk at lists.nycbug.org > >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > I have been to the Yonkers and LI stores. Pretty good selection and > > price. You have to do a bit of digging, but is the one of the few > > places that will actually HAVE that thing you suddenly NEED in order > > to save someone's bacon. Lots of esoteric parts and a good drive > > selection. They have a focus on system builders too. I would be > > surprised if Brooklyn is any different, probably just a bit more ink > > on the sales people. :-) > > "ink on the sales people"? no idea what that means... > > I *did* walk by J&R today... already shutdown, everything. Gated, the > whole 9. > > Long poster up basically saying the same cryptic stuff that the News > article said. > > g > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > Looks like they have a vision. http://www.jr.com/information/contentb.jsp?contentPath=/Content/media/html/information/thankyou.html -- Robin Polak E-Mail: robin.polak at gmail.com V. 917-494-2080 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 19:20:27 2014 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Patrick McEvoy) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:20:27 -0400 Subject: [talk] J&R closing In-Reply-To: References: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> <5346D454.7040209@ceetonetechnology.com> <5346E8DC.3040303@gmail.com> <534719CB.4060907@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <5347273B.1010403@gmail.com> Robin Polak wrote: > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:23 PM, George Rosamond < > george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: > >> Patrick McEvoy: >>> >>> George Rosamond wrote: >>>> Chris Snyder: >>>>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:53 AM, George Rosamond < >>>>> george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Woah... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-shutting-electronics-store-article-1.1751239 >>>>>> >>>>>> >> That's a bit sudden. >>>>>> >>>>> Does anyone else think that the phrase "unprecedented retailing >>>>> concept and social mecca" is a euphemism for bankruptcy? >>>> Yes... I reread that a few times trying to figure out what it >>>> meant. >>>> >>>> Also, a Micro Center opened in Brooklyn on 3rd ave and 31st >>>> street. Anyone been there yet? >>>> >>>> microcenter.com >>>> >>>> Prices don't seem that bad. >>>> >>>> g >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ talk mailing list >>>> talk at lists.nycbug.org >>>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >>> I have been to the Yonkers and LI stores. Pretty good selection and >>> price. You have to do a bit of digging, but is the one of the few >>> places that will actually HAVE that thing you suddenly NEED in order >>> to save someone's bacon. Lots of esoteric parts and a good drive >>> selection. They have a focus on system builders too. I would be >>> surprised if Brooklyn is any different, probably just a bit more ink >>> on the sales people. :-) >> "ink on the sales people"? no idea what that means... >> Tattoos >> I *did* walk by J&R today... already shutdown, everything. Gated, the >> whole 9. >> >> Long poster up basically saying the same cryptic stuff that the News >> article said. >> >> g >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> > > Looks like they have a vision. > > http://www.jr.com/information/contentb.jsp?contentPath=/Content/media/html/information/thankyou.html > From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Apr 10 19:24:33 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:24:33 -0400 Subject: [talk] J&R closing In-Reply-To: <5347273B.1010403@gmail.com> References: <5346863C.4010601@ceetonetechnology.com> <5346D454.7040209@ceetonetechnology.com> <5346E8DC.3040303@gmail.com> <534719CB.4060907@ceetonetechnology.com> <5347273B.1010403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53472831.4090905@ceetonetechnology.com> Patrick McEvoy: > > > Robin Polak wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 6:23 PM, George Rosamond < >> george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: >> >>> Patrick McEvoy: >>>> >>>> George Rosamond wrote: >>>>> Chris Snyder: >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:53 AM, George Rosamond < >>>>>> george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Woah... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-shutting-electronics-store-article-1.1751239 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> That's a bit sudden. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone else think that the phrase "unprecedented retailing >>>>>> concept and social mecca" is a euphemism for bankruptcy? >>>>> Yes... I reread that a few times trying to figure out what it >>>>> meant. >>>>> >>>>> Also, a Micro Center opened in Brooklyn on 3rd ave and 31st >>>>> street. Anyone been there yet? >>>>> >>>>> microcenter.com >>>>> >>>>> Prices don't seem that bad. >>>>> >>>>> g >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ talk mailing list >>>>> talk at lists.nycbug.org >>>>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >>>> I have been to the Yonkers and LI stores. Pretty good selection and >>>> price. You have to do a bit of digging, but is the one of the few >>>> places that will actually HAVE that thing you suddenly NEED in order >>>> to save someone's bacon. Lots of esoteric parts and a good drive >>>> selection. They have a focus on system builders too. I would be >>>> surprised if Brooklyn is any different, probably just a bit more ink >>>> on the sales people. :-) >>> "ink on the sales people"? no idea what that means... >>> > > Tattoos > Ahhh.. yes... they have encroached on Sunset Park too. It makes me want to propose banning the combination of skinny jeans, flannel shirts and beards at meetings. g From pete at nomadlogic.org Fri Apr 11 13:44:41 2014 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 10:44:41 -0700 Subject: [talk] Solarflare Precision Time Synchronization Message-ID: <53482A09.3040901@nomadlogic.org> I've been a big fan of Solarflare 10GBE NICs for a while now, good docs, stable freebsd and linux drivers and helpful support. so i was looking at their products today and noticed they have a Precision Time Synchronization product: http://www.solarflare.com/PTP-Server-Adapters Anyone have experience using this guy? Or any thoughts about Solarflare in general? -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From mark.saad at ymail.com Fri Apr 11 15:22:04 2014 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 15:22:04 -0400 Subject: [talk] Need to find a local vendor with an L6-30P -> L6-30R 5 - 8 ft extension Message-ID: <534840DC.9050501@ymail.com> All I am looking for a local nyc vendor who carries premade L6-30p to L6-30R entensions, or a Tripp Lite P041-008 8 Feet 10AWG Heavy Duty Power Extension Cord L6-30P to L6-30R . I need 2 for tomorrow morning. -- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com From gnn at neville-neil.com Fri Apr 11 15:39:58 2014 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 15:39:58 -0400 Subject: [talk] Solarflare Precision Time Synchronization In-Reply-To: <53482A09.3040901@nomadlogic.org> References: <53482A09.3040901@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <54F26883-AE86-4084-9359-20A4459B6F71@neville-neil.com> On Apr 11, 2014, at 13:44 , Pete Wright wrote: > I've been a big fan of Solarflare 10GBE NICs for a while now, good docs, > stable freebsd and linux drivers and helpful support. > > so i was looking at their products today and noticed they have a > Precision Time Synchronization product: > > http://www.solarflare.com/PTP-Server-Adapters > > Anyone have experience using this guy? Or any thoughts about Solarflare > in general? > They are not well supported (yet) on FreeBSD but that is being improved now, and we may soon have support for SolarFlare?s PTP daemon, which is a derivative of http://ptpd.sf.net Of course, this begs the question, ?What problem are you trying to solve?" Best, George From pete at nomadlogic.org Fri Apr 11 15:54:15 2014 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:54:15 -0700 Subject: [talk] Solarflare Precision Time Synchronization In-Reply-To: <54F26883-AE86-4084-9359-20A4459B6F71@neville-neil.com> References: <53482A09.3040901@nomadlogic.org> <54F26883-AE86-4084-9359-20A4459B6F71@neville-neil.com> Message-ID: <53484867.7080200@nomadlogic.org> On 04/11/14 12:39, George Neville-Neil wrote: > > On Apr 11, 2014, at 13:44 , Pete Wright wrote: > >> I've been a big fan of Solarflare 10GBE NICs for a while now, good docs, >> stable freebsd and linux drivers and helpful support. >> >> so i was looking at their products today and noticed they have a >> Precision Time Synchronization product: >> >> http://www.solarflare.com/PTP-Server-Adapters >> >> Anyone have experience using this guy? Or any thoughts about Solarflare >> in general? >> > > They are not well supported (yet) on FreeBSD but that is being improved now, > and we may soon have support for SolarFlare?s PTP daemon, which is a derivative > of http://ptpd.sf.net oh fantastic - thanks for the heads up GNN! if i'm able to get my hands on an eval unit one day i'll be sure to let the appropriate lists know and hopefully i can help improve support. > > Of course, this begs the question, ?What problem are you trying to solve?" spending my companies money :) on a more serious note, there are some very low-latency/timing sensitive applications we run where a device like this could potentially be useful. Having said that it's more of an exploratory email i sent out to get a better understanding of the playing field. Cheers, -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From gnn at neville-neil.com Fri Apr 11 15:55:26 2014 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 15:55:26 -0400 Subject: [talk] Solarflare Precision Time Synchronization In-Reply-To: <53484867.7080200@nomadlogic.org> References: <53482A09.3040901@nomadlogic.org> <54F26883-AE86-4084-9359-20A4459B6F71@neville-neil.com> <53484867.7080200@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: On Apr 11, 2014, at 15:54 , Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 04/11/14 12:39, George Neville-Neil wrote: >> >> On Apr 11, 2014, at 13:44 , Pete Wright wrote: >> >>> I've been a big fan of Solarflare 10GBE NICs for a while now, good docs, >>> stable freebsd and linux drivers and helpful support. >>> >>> so i was looking at their products today and noticed they have a >>> Precision Time Synchronization product: >>> >>> http://www.solarflare.com/PTP-Server-Adapters >>> >>> Anyone have experience using this guy? Or any thoughts about Solarflare >>> in general? >>> >> >> They are not well supported (yet) on FreeBSD but that is being improved now, >> and we may soon have support for SolarFlare?s PTP daemon, which is a derivative >> of http://ptpd.sf.net > > oh fantastic - thanks for the heads up GNN! > > if i'm able to get my hands on an eval unit one day i'll be sure to let > the appropriate lists know and hopefully i can help improve support. > >> >> Of course, this begs the question, ?What problem are you trying to solve?" > > spending my companies money :) > I can help with that. > on a more serious note, there are some very low-latency/timing sensitive > applications we run where a device like this could potentially be useful. > > Having said that it's more of an exploratory email i sent out to get a > better understanding of the playing field. OK. Best, George From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Apr 11 16:48:16 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:48:16 -0400 Subject: [talk] Need to find a local vendor with an L6-30P -> L6-30R 5 - 8 ft extension In-Reply-To: <534840DC.9050501@ymail.com> References: <534840DC.9050501@ymail.com> Message-ID: <53485510.3070809@ceetonetechnology.com> Mark Saad: > All > I am looking for a local nyc vendor who carries premade L6-30p to > L6-30R entensions, or a Tripp Lite P041-008 8 Feet 10AWG Heavy Duty > Power Extension Cord L6-30P to L6-30R . > > I need 2 for tomorrow morning. wow. I would ask the data center you're in... micro city in Brooklyn... doubt it.. .chips and cables or whatever.. doubt it g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Apr 11 16:51:20 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 16:51:20 -0400 Subject: [talk] Need to find a local vendor with an L6-30P -> L6-30R 5 - 8 ft extension In-Reply-To: <53485510.3070809@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <534840DC.9050501@ymail.com> <53485510.3070809@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <534855C8.5030706@ceetonetechnology.com> George Rosamond: > Mark Saad: >> All >> I am looking for a local nyc vendor who carries premade L6-30p to >> L6-30R entensions, or a Tripp Lite P041-008 8 Feet 10AWG Heavy Duty >> Power Extension Cord L6-30P to L6-30R . >> >> I need 2 for tomorrow morning. > > wow. I would ask the data center you're in... micro city in Brooklyn... > doubt it.. .chips and cables or whatever.. doubt it Actually... Manhattan Electronics is still there? 16 W 46th street? Ping them and if they don't, ask who might? g From mark.saad at ymail.com Fri Apr 11 17:12:39 2014 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 17:12:39 -0400 Subject: [talk] Need to find a local vendor with an L6-30P -> L6-30R 5 - 8 ft extension In-Reply-To: <534855C8.5030706@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <534840DC.9050501@ymail.com> <53485510.3070809@ceetonetechnology.com> <534855C8.5030706@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <53485AC7.4050204@ymail.com> I called a bunch of places no one had them . I postponed the work till Monday. I can get them via amazon , which is weird. But anyway . Thanks again. On 04/11/14 16:51, George Rosamond wrote: > George Rosamond: >> Mark Saad: >>> All >>> I am looking for a local nyc vendor who carries premade L6-30p to >>> L6-30R entensions, or a Tripp Lite P041-008 8 Feet 10AWG Heavy Duty >>> Power Extension Cord L6-30P to L6-30R . >>> >>> I need 2 for tomorrow morning. >> >> wow. I would ask the data center you're in... micro city in Brooklyn... >> doubt it.. .chips and cables or whatever.. doubt it > > Actually... Manhattan Electronics is still there? > > 16 W 46th street? > > Ping them and if they don't, ask who might? > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > From spork at bway.net Fri Apr 11 17:22:05 2014 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 17:22:05 -0400 Subject: [talk] Need to find a local vendor with an L6-30P -> L6-30R 5 - 8 ft extension In-Reply-To: <534855C8.5030706@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <534840DC.9050501@ymail.com> <53485510.3070809@ceetonetechnology.com> <534855C8.5030706@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <539A2B94-68E6-4CAF-B37F-47EDAFA9B98E@bway.net> On Apr 11, 2014, at 4:51 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > George Rosamond: >> Mark Saad: >>> All >>> I am looking for a local nyc vendor who carries premade L6-30p to >>> L6-30R entensions, or a Tripp Lite P041-008 8 Feet 10AWG Heavy Duty >>> Power Extension Cord L6-30P to L6-30R . >>> >>> I need 2 for tomorrow morning. >> >> wow. I would ask the data center you're in... micro city in Brooklyn... >> doubt it.. .chips and cables or whatever.. doubt it > > Actually... Manhattan Electronics is still there? > > 16 W 46th street? > > Ping them and if they don't, ask who might? Would Grainger have that? I know there used to be one on Varick a few blocks north of Canal. We were in a similar position, but our owner was in town and he just built a few (not sure where he sourced the parts). Amazon can get one out for tomorrow afternoon, but I assume that's too late. Charles > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From mikel.king at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 17:29:06 2014 From: mikel.king at gmail.com (mikel king) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 17:29:06 -0400 Subject: [talk] Need to find a local vendor with an L6-30P -> L6-30R 5 - 8 ft extension In-Reply-To: <534840DC.9050501@ymail.com> References: <534840DC.9050501@ymail.com> Message-ID: <6E035383-82C0-4B79-8603-3A6A07DD0704@gmail.com> > On Apr 11, 2014, at 15:22, Mark Saad wrote: > > All > I am looking for a local nyc vendor who carries premade L6-30p to > L6-30R entensions, or a Tripp Lite P041-008 8 Feet 10AWG Heavy Duty > Power Extension Cord L6-30P to L6-30R . > > I need 2 for tomorrow morning. > > -- > Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk Kind late in the game but there's a Leviton electrical supply on 37th bet 6th & 5th. There's midtown electrical supply. Have you tried Grainger, they have stores on 36ish and Varrick St. There's also Greybar but they are in LIC. And believe it or not the Home Depot on 23rd or 51st has worked well for me in the past. Let me know if you need any more help sourcing this stuff... From mark.saad at ymail.com Fri Apr 11 19:46:01 2014 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 19:46:01 -0400 Subject: [talk] Need to find a local vendor with an L6-30P -> L6-30R 5 - 8 ft extension In-Reply-To: <6E035383-82C0-4B79-8603-3A6A07DD0704@gmail.com> References: <534840DC.9050501@ymail.com> <6E035383-82C0-4B79-8603-3A6A07DD0704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <785BA4B7-DE03-477D-8A3D-9582C9237F51@ymail.com> > On Apr 11, 2014, at 5:29 PM, mikel king wrote: > > > >> On Apr 11, 2014, at 15:22, Mark Saad wrote: >> >> All >> I am looking for a local nyc vendor who carries premade L6-30p to >> L6-30R entensions, or a Tripp Lite P041-008 8 Feet 10AWG Heavy Duty >> Power Extension Cord L6-30P to L6-30R . >> >> I need 2 for tomorrow morning. >> >> -- >> Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > Kind late in the game but there's a Leviton electrical supply on 37th bet 6th & 5th. There's midtown electrical supply. Have you tried Grainger, they have stores on 36ish and Varrick St. There's also Greybar but they are in LIC. And believe it or not the Home Depot on 23rd or 51st has worked well for me in the past. > > Let me know if you need any more help sourcing this stuff... Short story we went with Amazon , oddly you can only send one per order with Sunday delivery , so we had them sent to two apartments outside of NYC . Wonder what's that's about . Grainger , Greybar , and 5 supply shops all said " no we have the parts to make one ... We don't stock that as it's not a commonly used part ... No we will not make it for you..." Since I am not an licensed industrial electrician , there was no chance of work letting me rolling my own . Thanks again everyone . --- Mark From gnn at neville-neil.com Sat Apr 12 14:54:17 2014 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 14:54:17 -0400 Subject: [talk] Brooklyn Micro Center... Message-ID: <3EB101EF-D0AD-4CB9-83E2-7C2E382FAEA6@neville-neil.com> Howdy, This afternoon Kaz and I headed out to check out the new Micro Center in Brooklyn. It?s easily reachable via th R train (25th or 36th St and then a 5-10 minute walk) and they also seem to have free parking. Short version is I?m thrilled we finally have something like this in NYC. Longer version. They have a really good ?build your own PC? section with both low and high end parts (Intel CPUs range from low power/cost i3 up through $500 XEON chips). A good collection of cases and the rest of the parts you?d expect to build a box from. One of the nice things they do in this section is have a board with their low price parts, and next to their price they list the NewEgg price (usually a few dollars higher) for comparison. I did not spot check their work but I thought it was amusing as this is what people do in the store on their own anyway. Their networking section has an entire aisle for wired switches and an aisle for wireless APs. They have cables in various lengths, quality and color. There are sections for laptops, and a Mac section, cases, and other various bits. The highlight, for me, is the wall of ?starter kits? which is really 30? of wall space dedicated to Arduino, RPi, BeagleBone and the like. They even have the Intel Galileo. The same wall has capes, extenders, some resistors, LEDs, and robot kits. Very very cool. All the sections were well stocked and with good (not just cheap or low end) gear. The only thing I looked for, and even asked about, which they didn?t have was 4K montiors. They had 4K TVs (50? and up) but no 4K montiors. They have a smattering of other consumer goods, such as cameras, but they seem to be beside the point. All in all a fun trip and I?ll be going back at some point, as soon as I have space for some new toys in the house. Later, George http://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/brooklyn.aspx From ike at blackskyresearch.net Sat Apr 12 18:59:11 2014 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 18:59:11 -0400 Subject: [talk] Brooklyn Micro Center... In-Reply-To: <3EB101EF-D0AD-4CB9-83E2-7C2E382FAEA6@neville-neil.com> References: <3EB101EF-D0AD-4CB9-83E2-7C2E382FAEA6@neville-neil.com> Message-ID: <1397343602-48280.6919907801.fs3CMxAVx028595@rs149.luxsci.com> On Apr 12, 2014, at 2:54 PM, George Neville-Neil wrote: > Howdy, > > This afternoon Kaz and I headed out to check out the new Micro Center in Brooklyn. > It?s easily reachable via th R train (25th or 36th St and then a 5-10 minute walk) and > they also seem to have free parking. > > Short version is I?m thrilled we finally have something like this in NYC. > > Longer version. They have a really good ?build your own PC? section with both low and high end > parts (Intel CPUs range from low power/cost i3 up through $500 XEON chips). A good collection of > cases and the rest of the parts you?d expect to build a box from. One of the nice things they do in this > section is have a board with their low price parts, and next to their price they list the NewEgg price > (usually a few dollars higher) for comparison. I did not spot check their work but I thought it was amusing > as this is what people do in the store on their own anyway. > > Their networking section has an entire aisle for wired switches and an aisle for wireless APs. > They have cables in various lengths, quality and color. > > There are sections for laptops, and a Mac section, cases, and other various bits. > > The highlight, for me, is the wall of ?starter kits? which is really 30? of wall space dedicated > to Arduino, RPi, BeagleBone and the like. They even have the Intel Galileo. The same wall > has capes, extenders, some resistors, LEDs, and robot kits. Very very cool. > > All the sections were well stocked and with good (not just cheap or low end) gear. > > The only thing I looked for, and even asked about, which they didn?t have was 4K montiors. > They had 4K TVs (50? and up) but no 4K montiors. > > They have a smattering of other consumer goods, such as cameras, but they seem to be > beside the point. > > All in all a fun trip and I?ll be going back at some point, as soon as I have space for some new > toys in the house. > > Later, > George > > http://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/brooklyn.aspx Thanks for posting this! This is obviously very rad. I'm thinking of heading out there to grab some stuff next Saturday afternoon, if some NYC*BUG folks want to join... It's 30 minutes from Suspenders if anyone wants to meet me there? Sat. Apr 19: Meet at Suspenders around 1pm for a drink, leave at 2:00pm sharp to go to Micro Center by subway. Anyone want to join me? Rocket- .ike From gnn at neville-neil.com Sat Apr 12 19:04:06 2014 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 19:04:06 -0400 Subject: [talk] Brooklyn Micro Center... In-Reply-To: <1397343602-48280.6919907801.fs3CMxAVx028595@rs149.luxsci.com> References: <3EB101EF-D0AD-4CB9-83E2-7C2E382FAEA6@neville-neil.com> <1397343602-48280.6919907801.fs3CMxAVx028595@rs149.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <2EC7CBD8-2AAB-4B73-BF6B-91413C9233B4@neville-neil.com> On Apr 12, 2014, at 18:59 , Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > On Apr 12, 2014, at 2:54 PM, George Neville-Neil wrote: > >> Howdy, >> >> This afternoon Kaz and I headed out to check out the new Micro Center in Brooklyn. >> It?s easily reachable via th R train (25th or 36th St and then a 5-10 minute walk) and >> they also seem to have free parking. >> >> Short version is I?m thrilled we finally have something like this in NYC. >> >> Longer version. They have a really good ?build your own PC? section with both low and high end >> parts (Intel CPUs range from low power/cost i3 up through $500 XEON chips). A good collection of >> cases and the rest of the parts you?d expect to build a box from. One of the nice things they do in this >> section is have a board with their low price parts, and next to their price they list the NewEgg price >> (usually a few dollars higher) for comparison. I did not spot check their work but I thought it was amusing >> as this is what people do in the store on their own anyway. >> >> Their networking section has an entire aisle for wired switches and an aisle for wireless APs. >> They have cables in various lengths, quality and color. >> >> There are sections for laptops, and a Mac section, cases, and other various bits. >> >> The highlight, for me, is the wall of ?starter kits? which is really 30? of wall space dedicated >> to Arduino, RPi, BeagleBone and the like. They even have the Intel Galileo. The same wall >> has capes, extenders, some resistors, LEDs, and robot kits. Very very cool. >> >> All the sections were well stocked and with good (not just cheap or low end) gear. >> >> The only thing I looked for, and even asked about, which they didn?t have was 4K montiors. >> They had 4K TVs (50? and up) but no 4K montiors. >> >> They have a smattering of other consumer goods, such as cameras, but they seem to be >> beside the point. >> >> All in all a fun trip and I?ll be going back at some point, as soon as I have space for some new >> toys in the house. >> >> Later, >> George >> >> http://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/brooklyn.aspx > > Thanks for posting this! This is obviously very rad. > > I'm thinking of heading out there to grab some stuff next Saturday afternoon, if some NYC*BUG folks want to join... It's 30 minutes from Suspenders if anyone wants to meet me there? > > Sat. Apr 19: > Meet at Suspenders around 1pm for a drink, leave at 2:00pm sharp to go to Micro Center by subway. > > Anyone want to join me? > I can?t, I?ll be traveling, but, note that the R does not run from lower Manhattan to Brooklyn until October. Later, George From ike at blackskyresearch.net Sat Apr 12 19:13:29 2014 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac Levy) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 19:13:29 -0400 Subject: [talk] Brooklyn Micro Center... In-Reply-To: <2EC7CBD8-2AAB-4B73-BF6B-91413C9233B4@neville-neil.com> References: <3EB101EF-D0AD-4CB9-83E2-7C2E382FAEA6@neville-neil.com> <1397343602-48280.6919907801.fs3CMxAVx028595@rs149.luxsci.com> <2EC7CBD8-2AAB-4B73-BF6B-91413C9233B4@neville-neil.com> Message-ID: <1397344443-6069071.20375871.fs3CNDU64004714@rs149.luxsci.com> > On Apr 12, 2014, at 7:04 PM, George Neville-Neil wrote: > > >> On Apr 12, 2014, at 18:59 , Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: >> >>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 2:54 PM, George Neville-Neil wrote: >>> >>> Howdy, >>> >>> This afternoon Kaz and I headed out to check out the new Micro Center in Brooklyn. >>> It?s easily reachable via th R train (25th or 36th St and then a 5-10 minute walk) and >>> they also seem to have free parking. >>> >>> Short version is I?m thrilled we finally have something like this in NYC. >>> >>> Longer version. They have a really good ?build your own PC? section with both low and high end >>> parts (Intel CPUs range from low power/cost i3 up through $500 XEON chips). A good collection of >>> cases and the rest of the parts you?d expect to build a box from. One of the nice things they do in this >>> section is have a board with their low price parts, and next to their price they list the NewEgg price >>> (usually a few dollars higher) for comparison. I did not spot check their work but I thought it was amusing >>> as this is what people do in the store on their own anyway. >>> >>> Their networking section has an entire aisle for wired switches and an aisle for wireless APs. >>> They have cables in various lengths, quality and color. >>> >>> There are sections for laptops, and a Mac section, cases, and other various bits. >>> >>> The highlight, for me, is the wall of ?starter kits? which is really 30? of wall space dedicated >>> to Arduino, RPi, BeagleBone and the like. They even have the Intel Galileo. The same wall >>> has capes, extenders, some resistors, LEDs, and robot kits. Very very cool. >>> >>> All the sections were well stocked and with good (not just cheap or low end) gear. >>> >>> The only thing I looked for, and even asked about, which they didn?t have was 4K montiors. >>> They had 4K TVs (50? and up) but no 4K montiors. >>> >>> They have a smattering of other consumer goods, such as cameras, but they seem to be >>> beside the point. >>> >>> All in all a fun trip and I?ll be going back at some point, as soon as I have space for some new >>> toys in the house. >>> >>> Later, >>> George >>> >>> http://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/brooklyn.aspx >> >> Thanks for posting this! This is obviously very rad. >> >> I'm thinking of heading out there to grab some stuff next Saturday afternoon, if some NYC*BUG folks want to join... It's 30 minutes from Suspenders if anyone wants to meet me there? >> >> Sat. Apr 19: >> Meet at Suspenders around 1pm for a drink, leave at 2:00pm sharp to go to Micro Center by subway. >> >> Anyone want to join me? > > I can?t, I?ll be traveling, I have a feeling it won't be the last group run :) > but, note that the R does not run from lower Manhattan to Brooklyn until October. > > Later, > George We'll do 4 to the D train or something... Just looking, it's 30min by bike from my place- this is too cool... Rocket- .ike From spork at bway.net Mon Apr 14 18:03:35 2014 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 18:03:35 -0400 Subject: [talk] OT: Used apple stuff? Message-ID: <7826C37F-1E52-4FDC-BACC-AE717FA025E2@bway.net> Howdy, I've seen some hardware requests here in the past (or at least convinced myself that I have), so here goes. Before I go down the Ebay/Craigslist/Apple Refurb path, anyone here planning on upgrading soon and looking to sell the following (in order of wanted-ness)? -15" Macbook Pro, unibody, 2010 or newer -13" Macbook Pro (8GB+, retina) -13" Macbook Air (8GB) I mention the RAM on the last two as that is a factory option - no upgrades, and I think 8GB is the minimum to run vmware and such comfortably. I think I can deal with a 13" screen, so I'm including those models. Opinions on stuffing a browser side-by-side with some terminals on a high-res but tiny screen are of course welcome. For the curious, I currently rock a 2006 MBP, and it is really begging to be put out of its misery (ie: parted out on Ebay). It is a big fat lemon. A very hot lemon too. And it's 32-bit, so it's stuck on 10.6.8 forever. Thanks, C -- Charles Sprickman NetEng/SysAdmin Bway.net - New York's Best Internet www.bway.net spork at bway.net - 212.655.9344 From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Apr 17 20:31:40 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 20:31:40 -0400 Subject: [talk] Brooklyn Micro Center... In-Reply-To: <1397344443-6069071.20375871.fs3CNDU64004714@rs149.luxsci.com> References: <3EB101EF-D0AD-4CB9-83E2-7C2E382FAEA6@neville-neil.com> <1397343602-48280.6919907801.fs3CMxAVx028595@rs149.luxsci.com> <2EC7CBD8-2AAB-4B73-BF6B-91413C9233B4@neville-neil.com> <1397344443-6069071.20375871.fs3CNDU64004714@rs149.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <5350726C.4050702@ceetonetechnology.com> Isaac Levy: > > >> On Apr 12, 2014, at 7:04 PM, George Neville-Neil wrote: >> >> >>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 18:59 , Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: >>> >>>> On Apr 12, 2014, at 2:54 PM, George Neville-Neil wrote: >>>> >>>> Howdy, >>>> >>>> This afternoon Kaz and I headed out to check out the new Micro Center in Brooklyn. >>>> It?s easily reachable via th R train (25th or 36th St and then a 5-10 minute walk) and >>>> they also seem to have free parking. >>>> >>>> Short version is I?m thrilled we finally have something like this in NYC. >>>> >>>> Longer version. They have a really good ?build your own PC? section with both low and high end >>>> parts (Intel CPUs range from low power/cost i3 up through $500 XEON chips). A good collection of >>>> cases and the rest of the parts you?d expect to build a box from. One of the nice things they do in this >>>> section is have a board with their low price parts, and next to their price they list the NewEgg price >>>> (usually a few dollars higher) for comparison. I did not spot check their work but I thought it was amusing >>>> as this is what people do in the store on their own anyway. >>>> >>>> Their networking section has an entire aisle for wired switches and an aisle for wireless APs. >>>> They have cables in various lengths, quality and color. >>>> >>>> There are sections for laptops, and a Mac section, cases, and other various bits. >>>> >>>> The highlight, for me, is the wall of ?starter kits? which is really 30? of wall space dedicated >>>> to Arduino, RPi, BeagleBone and the like. They even have the Intel Galileo. The same wall >>>> has capes, extenders, some resistors, LEDs, and robot kits. Very very cool. >>>> >>>> All the sections were well stocked and with good (not just cheap or low end) gear. >>>> >>>> The only thing I looked for, and even asked about, which they didn?t have was 4K montiors. >>>> They had 4K TVs (50? and up) but no 4K montiors. >>>> >>>> They have a smattering of other consumer goods, such as cameras, but they seem to be >>>> beside the point. >>>> >>>> All in all a fun trip and I?ll be going back at some point, as soon as I have space for some new >>>> toys in the house. >>>> >>>> Later, >>>> George >>>> >>>> http://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/brooklyn.aspx >>> >>> Thanks for posting this! This is obviously very rad. >>> >>> I'm thinking of heading out there to grab some stuff next Saturday afternoon, if some NYC*BUG folks want to join... It's 30 minutes from Suspenders if anyone wants to meet me there? >>> >>> Sat. Apr 19: >>> Meet at Suspenders around 1pm for a drink, leave at 2:00pm sharp to go to Micro Center by subway. >>> >>> Anyone want to join me? >> >> I can?t, I?ll be traveling, > > I have a feeling it won't be the last group run :) > >> but, note that the R does not run from lower Manhattan to Brooklyn until October. >> >> Later, >> George > > We'll do 4 to the D train or something... > > Just looking, it's 30min by bike from my place- this is too cool... (ike killing me with the .jp character encoding... ;`) I went there today...and spent some time and cash. I happened to get the $20 tablet coupon as I was leaving for the store. Picked up a bunch of little things that I've been meaning to get... a small USB keyboard, compressed air, etc., plus found a $5 cable tester replacing my 15 year old one which was $300 at the time. Some good stuff, and a great selection on parts. Glad to know it's there. A little pricier than online, but not significantly so. The typical frustrating issue arose of not finding a null modem adapter/cable, yet finding three varieties of the Trendnet USB to DB9 male cables. AbsoluteOpenBSD was in the book section, which was a pleasant surprise. Definitely worth the trip, and glad it's here. Much more exciting than CompUSA opening in Manhattan in the early 90's. g From ike at blackskyresearch.net Fri Apr 18 19:04:28 2014 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac Levy) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 19:04:28 -0400 Subject: [talk] Brooklyn Micro Center... In-Reply-To: <5350726C.4050702@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <3EB101EF-D0AD-4CB9-83E2-7C2E382FAEA6@neville-neil.com> <1397343602-48280.6919907801.fs3CMxAVx028595@rs149.luxsci.com> <2EC7CBD8-2AAB-4B73-BF6B-91413C9233B4@neville-neil.com> <1397344443-6069071.20375871.fs3CNDU64004714@rs149.luxsci.com> <5350726C.4050702@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <1397862302-8289677.45264428.fs3IN4Sww029112@rs149.luxsci.com> > >>>> Sat. Apr 19: >>>> Meet at Suspenders around 1pm for a drink, leave at 2:00pm sharp to go to Micro Center by subway. >>>> >>>> Anyone want to join me? Gah- I'm pretty sure I can't make it now.... (Or if I go my time is really limited) Was so looking forward to it. Anyone going? Can do next week perhaps- Rocket- .ike