From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 18:12:37 2016 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Patrick McEvoy) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 18:12:37 -0500 Subject: [talk] pfSense hardware recommendation Message-ID: <56D621E5.3020603@gmail.com> Can anyone recommend a small form factor (and priced) wired router that will run pfSense? I seem to remember a little three port device mentioned on either this list or another, but can not find the email. It was black and around $100. The unit did not have wireless. TIA P From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Mar 1 18:18:12 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 18:18:12 -0500 Subject: [talk] pfSense hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: <56D621E5.3020603@gmail.com> References: <56D621E5.3020603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56D62334.5000107@ceetonetechnology.com> On 03/01/16 18:12, Patrick McEvoy wrote: > Can anyone recommend a small form factor (and priced) wired router that > will run pfSense? I seem to remember a little three port device > mentioned on either this list or another, but can not find the email. It > was black and around $100. The unit did not have wireless. > PCEngines.ch for alix or APU boards. Soekris.com for Soekris. I think I gave you a three NIC Alix board a while back... g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Mar 1 18:25:10 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 18:25:10 -0500 Subject: [talk] pfSense hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <56D621E5.3020603@gmail.com> <56D62334.5000107@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <56D624D6.4090100@ceetonetechnology.com> On 03/01/16 18:22, John C. Vernaleo wrote: >> On 03/01/16 18:12, Patrick McEvoy wrote: >>> Can anyone recommend a small form factor (and priced) wired router that >>> will run pfSense? I seem to remember a little three port device >>> mentioned on either this list or another, but can not find the email. It >>> was black and around $100. The unit did not have wireless. >>> >> >> PCEngines.ch for alix or APU boards. >> >> Soekris.com for Soekris. >> >> I think I gave you a three NIC Alix board a while back... >> > > The pcengines APU box is pretty nice. I've been using one for a while. > I have a bunch out there in the wild and am reasonably happy. There's that post in the talk@ archives from a while back I did which is still useful for updating BIOS, etc. g From jared at thegridsource.com Tue Mar 1 18:32:33 2016 From: jared at thegridsource.com (Jared Davenport) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 18:32:33 -0500 Subject: [talk] pfSense hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: <56D621E5.3020603@gmail.com> References: <56D621E5.3020603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B084328-F4D3-4425-B34B-FDEC1527522B@thegridsource.com> You're probably thinking of the APU. http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm The board and the enclosure are all sold on their site. The APU2, with Intel NICs and AES-NI comes out relatively soon as well. > On Mar 1, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Patrick McEvoy wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a small form factor (and priced) wired router that > will run pfSense? I seem to remember a little three port device > mentioned on either this list or another, but can not find the email. It > was black and around $100. The unit did not have wireless. > > TIA > P > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From spork at bway.net Tue Mar 1 18:22:25 2016 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 18:22:25 -0500 Subject: [talk] pfSense hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: <56D621E5.3020603@gmail.com> References: <56D621E5.3020603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <94F40FC4-FD49-4C3B-BEEE-F2A19D5149B7@bway.net> > On Mar 1, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Patrick McEvoy wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a small form factor (and priced) wired router that > will run pfSense? I seem to remember a little three port device > mentioned on either this list or another, but can not find the email. It > was black and around $100. The unit did not have wireless. Perhaps not what you?re looking for, but for home use I just replaced an old Dell GX-110 with a P-III/600MHz with a not as old Dell SFF PC that I found on Amazon for $70. Had a built-in broadcom GigE NIC, added two cheap Realtek cards (PCI and PCI-e), the whole thing came in under $100, and has power to spare for home use. It pulls about 14W when idle, haven?t seen it peak over 25W. Just another option? It?s not tiny, but it?s pretty small. Charles > > TIA > P > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From mark.saad at ymail.com Tue Mar 1 18:31:23 2016 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 18:31:23 -0500 Subject: [talk] pfSense hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: <56D621E5.3020603@gmail.com> References: <56D621E5.3020603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <63098ADB-788A-48FA-B6E3-0A0F0408F504@ymail.com> Pat Pcengines.ch makes two devices that work well for small to medium setups . The alix and apu. Both can have 3 wired Ethernet , options are available for using mini pci and mini pci-e cards like wireless , storage and ssl offload . The apu is the more capable box I personally use an alix at home . Other options I have use are soekris.com net4801 and net4501 . They are similar to the pcengines alix with a slightly slower and different CPUs .The 4501 also has very limited resources now a days . Lastly I have also used old hp thin clients , t5704 and others . Their selling point is they can be fairly powerful for next to nothing on eBay . Dual core atom CPUs 2 gig ram Intel gig-e. Some have pci-e and mini pci-e slots built in wireless , and even quad core 64bit amd and Intel CPUs . Always check the "model + quick spec" off google to check for CPU type and expansion options. Expansions boxes for extra pci/pci-e slots are out there for cheep and also some boxes use odd arm CPUs and should be avoided . --- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > On Mar 1, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Patrick McEvoy wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a small form factor (and priced) wired router that > will run pfSense? I seem to remember a little three port device > mentioned on either this list or another, but can not find the email. It > was black and around $100. The unit did not have wireless. > > TIA > P > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 20:05:17 2016 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 20:05:17 -0500 Subject: [talk] pfSense hardware recommendation In-Reply-To: <56D639F3.4090100@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <56D621E5.3020603@gmail.com> <56D62334.5000107@ceetonetechnology.com> <1DE42274-89F6-42CA-B5CD-AD2A017D4CCA@gmail.com> <56D639F3.4090100@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <2DB523B0-B93E-4FBE-BA53-5CE18AE23B01@gmail.com> > On Mar 1, 2016, at 7:55 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > > >> Cheers for the responses! I know and love the PC Engines gear. I am trying to remember a little Routerboard >> type device, manufactured with either a RJ45 or USB serial port. Vague, I know. > > Do you mean an rj45 management port? > > I have no idea what a USB serial port is... > > g > Yes. Could be that it was only FreeBSD compatible. Does this ring a bell for anyone? From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Mar 1 23:27:23 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2016 23:27:23 -0500 Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Wednesday: BSD init(8) and rc(8) Message-ID: <56D66BAB.30004@ceetonetechnology.com> March 2, Wednesday BSD init(8) and rc(8): Room for Improvement?, Raul Cuza 18:45, Stone Creek Bar & Lounge: 140 E 27th St Abstract The current init(1) and rc(1) startup services have served BSD well for many years. But are they long in the tooth? There are a host of problems that it does not solve. This begs the question of whether it is time to replace it with something better. More importantly what could be better? This talk will look at the existing initialization and coordination system that currently serves the major BSD projects, what problems they solve and what problems they do not solve. We will review alternatives and how their approaches will impact how we work. Some of the alternatives that will be discussed include relaunchd, nosh, and systemd. Speaker Bio Raul Cuza makes pretenses to being a modern hip SysAdmin, but can't forget late nights installing Sun-3s to pull it off successfully. He has spent most of his career in K-12 schools reminding Cupertino- designed hardware that there is BSD somewhere under all the glitz. Many years making OpenBSD firewalls to replace web ads with student artwork and keeping OS X machines useful tools for learning has taught him that the real impact of the computer age does not happen in the server room but couldn't happen without it either. He is currently challenged with getting meaningful work done on other people's hardware residing in other people's server rooms distributed around the globe. He has permission to use them. From jun at soum.co.jp Wed Mar 2 01:06:24 2016 From: jun at soum.co.jp (Jun Ebihara) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2016 15:06:24 +0900 (JST) Subject: [talk] Fwd: NetBSD machines at Open Source Conference 2016 Tokyo/Spring In-Reply-To: <56D45046.9030909@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <20160229.164246.491609224229505980.jun@soum.co.jp> <56D45046.9030909@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <20160302.150624.523497934755160464.jun@soum.co.jp> From: George Rosamond Subject: [talk] Fwd: NetBSD machines at Open Source Conference 2016 Tokyo/Spring Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 09:05:58 -0500 > I know Jun Ebihara is on talk at . Yay! > Below is a nice list of NetBSD supported hardware. I drool reading these > emails.... Board collectors in tokyo take their collection to our booth. Same booth will appear on AsiaBSDCon Next week. 1F,same floor on FreeBSD Foundation! > RPI: > http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-arm/2016/02/24/msg003689.html I've heard RPI3 has Wifi/BT via ARM SDIO...Is it true? anyway,I should update OpenSSL issue until next weekend. In 2 days,650+900=1,550 attendees. > More pictures are available on Togetter page: > http://togetter.com/li/943037 -- Jun Ebihara From raulcuza at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 01:45:13 2016 From: raulcuza at gmail.com (Raul Cuza) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 01:45:13 -0500 Subject: [talk] [Link] and [Spiel] How we put together BSD systems Message-ID: I ran across this blog posting from Lennart Poettering, one of the developers of systemd: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html At some point I imagined a similar article being written for BSD with statements like the following: """ Traditional BSD systems are built around packaging systems like [ports or pkg(?)], and an organization model where upstream developers and downstream packagers are relatively clearly separated: an upstream developer writes code, and puts it somewhere online, in a tarball. A [port maintainer or] packager than grabs it and turns it into pkgs. The user then grabs these [ports or pkgs] and installs them locally on the system. """ The exercise sucked all the air out of the room. The statement lacks veracity. This just isn't the way I think about BSD. So does that mean the rest of what the article talks about is irrelevant to *BSD? Every OS I've used has at one point or another frustrated me with coordinating versions of libraries with app versions. I think the solution Poettering offers is off mark, because the problem of keeping libraries and binaries versioning in sync is easier to do when approaching the whole system as a single system instead of PACKAGES + OS. This is not to mention the nightmare it would be to manage all the different OS, home, and library resources. Don't get me wrong, building on a core OS with ports and packages is an essential part of building a BSD box. It is just that the final result is a unified whole instead of many layers of code piled upon each other. I've only managed FreeBSD and OpenBSD systems for myself and for specific organizational services. If I had a few hundred jails, would there be a part of the system that approaches the complexity of the btrfs volume Poettering lists midway through his post? Anyone know how to get a a behind the scene tour of https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/ so I can find out? Ra?l From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Mar 4 09:34:59 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 09:34:59 -0500 Subject: [talk] Raul's meeting Message-ID: <56D99D13.9070701@ceetonetechnology.com> Quick comment about it. Raul did an excellent job in his bsd init/rc meeting on Wednesday. He provided an overview and opened up the discussion. He didn't walk in with all the answers, and he was upfront about that. It's great to have meetings in which subject-matter experts (SMEs) talk about this or that. We are fortunate in NYC to have a lot of SMEs: speakers who are authorities on a particular topic, and could be speaking at large conferences. But there's a number of problems with only having SMEs speak. First and foremost, most people aren't SMEs, and a barrier gets created between the active and passive participants. The SMEs talk, and the non-SMEs listen. Not a good dynamic IMHO, and it doesn't extend engagement. Additionally, it's a poor example for other user groups and smaller conferences. "We don't have Kirk to talk about UFS and CSRG, so we don't have a meeting." "We don't have someone from the relevant IETF or IEEE committee to talk about that." Well, good luck then if you're not in a handful of cities around the world. So again, Raul did an awesome job, and I think his meeting is a more useful model not just for other user groups, but also for NYC*BUG in the future. He did precisely what most of us do on a regular basis: assess and understand various technologies as potential solutions. That is something I tried to convey at last year's BSDCan in the talk about NYC*BUG. The meeting was decently attended, but should have been packed. It was *us* addressing the systemd mess, but we didn't publicize it that way, and Raul opened up a great discussion and debate. g From kmsujit at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 00:44:47 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 11:14:47 +0530 Subject: [talk] Arduino Message-ID: I just recently purchased from https://www.arduino.cc/. The main reason was that it is compared with raspberry pi/etc. Went throught the programming manual It lets you code in C/C++ and Assembly. Programming seems to be easy. But I wanted to know why its compared with raspberry pi, I thought its a much more advance system than Arduino. Any Insights? From _ at thomaslevine.com Sat Mar 5 06:14:46 2016 From: _ at thomaslevine.com (Thomas Levine) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 11:14:46 +0000 Subject: [talk] Arduino In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160305111446.GA20402@tlevine.lan> People compare Arduino and Raspberry Pi because both are well marketed and used in hobby embedded systems. The only relevant hardware similarities, as far as I can tell, are the USB ports, the sizes (small), and the general-purpose input/output pins. On 05 Mar 11:14, Sujit K M wrote: > I just recently purchased from https://www.arduino.cc/. The main reason was that > it is compared with raspberry pi/etc. Went throught the programming manual > It lets you code in C/C++ and Assembly. Programming seems to be easy. > > But I wanted to know why its compared with raspberry pi, I thought its a much > more advance system than Arduino. Any Insights? > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From kmsujit at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 08:15:16 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2016 18:45:16 +0530 Subject: [talk] Arduino In-Reply-To: <20160305111446.GA20402@tlevine.lan> References: <20160305111446.GA20402@tlevine.lan> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Thomas Levine <_ at thomaslevine.com> wrote: > People compare Arduino and Raspberry Pi because both are well marketed > and used in hobby embedded systems. The only relevant hardware > similarities, as far as I can tell, are the USB ports, the sizes (small), > and the general-purpose input/output pins. Just to be more clearer. http://makezine.com/2015/12/04/admittedly-simplistic-guide-raspberry-pi-vs-arduino/ From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Mar 10 13:31:58 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:31:58 -0500 Subject: [talk] call for donations Message-ID: <56E1BD9E.2090505@ceetonetechnology.com> The cost of purchasing small ARM hardware is Brazil is high. On that note, I'm sure a lot of people on this list have an unused BeagleBone or three sitting in a drawer unused. If you're interested, I'm going to collect ARM SoC donations at the next few NYC*BUG meetings, and give them directly to some Brazilians in June. For those going to BSDCan, feel free to bring them directly. If you can't make the meetings, hit me offlist and we'll sort something out. Donating hardware is a great way to assist some of the .br developers. TIA g From spork at bway.net Tue Mar 15 15:53:51 2016 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 15:53:51 -0400 Subject: [talk] cheapest/smallest ARM device w/ethernet? Message-ID: <1698CB50-7592-4B94-AE8B-B76B90EF1C50@bway.net> Howdy, There seem to be a number of folks here with an interest in the Pi and other little ARM hobby boards. Any recommendations on a FreeBSD-friendly device that?s very cheap and has built-in ethernet? Or a combo USB ethernet + ARM board that?s well-tested? Just looking for something small to stash at some remote sites to be able to run iperf tests, perhaps terminate a very low-traffic openvpn tunnel, etc. Thanks, Charles From mark.saad at ymail.com Tue Mar 15 18:42:54 2016 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 18:42:54 -0400 Subject: [talk] cheapest/smallest ARM device w/ethernet? In-Reply-To: <1698CB50-7592-4B94-AE8B-B76B90EF1C50@bway.net> References: <1698CB50-7592-4B94-AE8B-B76B90EF1C50@bway.net> Message-ID: > On Mar 15, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > > Howdy, > > There seem to be a number of folks here with an interest in the Pi and other little ARM hobby boards. > > Any recommendations on a FreeBSD-friendly device that?s very cheap and has built-in ethernet? Or a combo USB ethernet + ARM board that?s well-tested? > > Just looking for something small to stash at some remote sites to be able to run iperf tests, perhaps terminate a very low-traffic openvpn tunnel, etc. > > Thanks, > > Charles > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk Charles Beagle bone black rev c . About the size of a pack of cigarettes. Adafruit has a nice plastic case too . It's a arm v7 512m with onboard 100m nic , micro sd , on board flash . Runs FreeBSD , openbsd , and netbsd . https://www.adafruit.com/products/1278 Mark saad | mark.saad at ymail.com From briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 20:29:18 2016 From: briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com (Brian Coca) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 17:29:18 -0700 Subject: [talk] despair with linux Message-ID: http://linas.org/ You can infer from the post that the trend of re-engineering base systems breeds more problems than it solves. Very similar experiences are why I moved away from Windows to Linux and BSD. My work has me dealing with many OSs, the most common sources of problems are OS X and systemd based distros, but they are also the most commonly deployed .... I just hope none of this ever spills over to the BSDs, Devuan and Gentoo are my last hopes for Linux. ------------ Brian Coca From jesse at emptysquare.net Thu Mar 17 21:50:09 2016 From: jesse at emptysquare.net (A. Jesse Jiryu Davis) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 21:50:09 -0400 Subject: [talk] Is getaddrinfo thread-safe on NetBSD? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Friends, the outcome of all this (I know you were on the edge of your seats) is that getaddrinfo is thread-safe on modern Darwin, OpenBSD, and NetBSD. I updated CPython to allow concurrent getaddrinfo calls on all these BSDs: http://bugs.python.org/issue25924 http://bugs.python.org/issue26406 CPython had already been fixed for FreeBSD. I leave Dragonfly BSD as an exercise for the reader. On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:38 PM, A. Jesse Jiryu Davis wrote: > Hi, it's me again, and I'm asking about getaddrinfo again, but this time > on NetBSD. There's evidence that it was made thread-safe around NetBSD 4.0, > but I can't find a specific commit or bug report. > > Question: Can you help me find evidence of a bugfix in NetBSD that made > getaddrinfo thread-safe? > > Background: > > CPython has long treated getaddrinfo as *not* thread-safe on all BSDs, > including Mac OS X. It's been updated to allow multithreaded getaddrinfo > calls on FreeBSD 5.3+, and I just updated it for Mac OS X 10.5+ with your > help: > > http://bugs.python.org/issue25924 > > I can update CPython on OpenBSD easily because OpenBSD 5.4's release notes > say "getaddrinfo(3) is now thread-safe". > > So, NetBSD is the last frontier. Between NetBSD 3 and 4, the man page was > updated to remove the "bugs: getaddrinfo is not thread-safe" warning. But > NetBSD 4's changelog does not, AFAICT, actually say that getaddrinfo was > fixed. > > Thanks! > Jesse > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raulcuza at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 02:11:21 2016 From: raulcuza at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ra=C3=BAl_Cuza?=) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 02:11:21 -0400 Subject: [talk] despair with linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63E633DF-6F48-437E-8BDD-0BFDFBB8936A@gmail.com> I noticed he mentioned nothing about virtual machines. If all testing is being done on VMs with average up times in hours if not minutes, how will the issues he brings up get caught? I don't know that this is how the distos test, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Sent without help from A.I. | ' L ' | > On Mar 17, 2016, at 20:29, Brian Coca wrote: > > http://linas.org/ > > You can infer from the post that the trend of re-engineering base > systems breeds more problems than it solves. Very similar experiences > are why I moved away from Windows to Linux and BSD. > > My work has me dealing with many OSs, the most common sources of > problems are OS X and systemd based distros, but they are also the > most commonly deployed .... > > I just hope none of this ever spills over to the BSDs, Devuan and > Gentoo are my last hopes for Linux. > > > ------------ > Brian Coca > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edlinuxguru at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 02:40:06 2016 From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 02:40:06 -0400 Subject: [talk] despair with linux In-Reply-To: <63E633DF-6F48-437E-8BDD-0BFDFBB8936A@gmail.com> References: <63E633DF-6F48-437E-8BDD-0BFDFBB8936A@gmail.com> Message-ID: systemd is a total $hitshow. IMHO it was a bad attempt to try and clone solaris svc without really having the infrastructure in the os to make it happen. I don't know I am from the old days, you had init scripts and you wrote things that did not crash every 8 hours thus needing some fancy system to constantly restart it. Software searching a use case I guess. I never had a problem with udev, someone explained it to me once and it made sense in a crazy way. But yea its one of those things that only makes sense for the moment someone is explaining it to you. The think you have to realize is "its a throw away world" laptops with no expandability. Servers OSes are not not for servers, you make an iso and use it in the cloud forever! Why would you be trying to boot something thats not booting, just spin up another instance in CLOUD! On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:11 AM, Ra?l Cuza wrote: > I noticed he mentioned nothing about virtual machines. 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URL: From kmsujit at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 06:58:36 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 16:28:36 +0530 Subject: [talk] despair with linux In-Reply-To: References: <63E633DF-6F48-437E-8BDD-0BFDFBB8936A@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote: > systemd is a total $hitshow. IMHO it was a bad attempt to try and clone > solaris svc without really having the infrastructure in the os to make it > happen. Quality wise it what you are saying. You could on the Linux Kernel Mailing List Many Developers/Owners Getting the Message Clearly that Linus Is not ready to merge their Changes. > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:11 AM, Ra?l Cuza wrote: >> >> I noticed he mentioned nothing about virtual machines. If all testing is >> being done on VMs with average up times in hours if not minutes, how will >> the issues he brings up get caught? I don't know that this is how the distos >> test, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Don't Think It hours or minutes as you say. The current Job I am in had a Production Glitch Where in The system started to reboot every Night. Also it is not that there are scripts that perform the restart almost immediately. From mark.saad at ymail.com Fri Mar 18 07:23:47 2016 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 07:23:47 -0400 Subject: [talk] despair with linux In-Reply-To: References: <63E633DF-6F48-437E-8BDD-0BFDFBB8936A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Easier said ; culturally Linux has become windows from 15 - 20 years ago . Remember how people used to say windows is such trash the world would be better if we all use Linux ? The problem is the people who made Windows trash just moved on to using Linux . > On Mar 18, 2016, at 6:58 AM, Sujit K M wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Edward Capriolo wrote: >> systemd is a total $hitshow. IMHO it was a bad attempt to try and clone >> solaris svc without really having the infrastructure in the os to make it >> happen. Ed I can't agree more here . One thing I do dislike about the sun model was the idea of rebuilding other tools at the same time . For example we got logadm in place of logrotate. My gut feeling why stuff like that happens is corporate software development; imagine working at sun when zfs is released? How do you show you are worth your salt , when you don't work on zfs ? I know you polish some other tool , to make yourself look cool too . I suspect working at redhat is similar. But I am not sure what their zfs is . > > Quality wise it what you are saying. You could on the Linux Kernel > Mailing List Many > Developers/Owners Getting the Message Clearly that Linus Is not ready > to merge their > Changes. > >>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:11 AM, Ra?l Cuza wrote: >>> >>> I noticed he mentioned nothing about virtual machines. If all testing is >>> being done on VMs with average up times in hours if not minutes, how will >>> the issues he brings up get caught? I don't know that this is how the distos >>> test, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was. > > Don't Think It hours or minutes as you say. The current Job I am in had > a Production Glitch Where in The system started to reboot every Night. > Also it is > not that there are scripts that perform the restart almost immediately. > --- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From kmsujit at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 08:32:56 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 18:02:56 +0530 Subject: [talk] despair with linux In-Reply-To: References: <63E633DF-6F48-437E-8BDD-0BFDFBB8936A@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Mark Saad wrote: > > Easier said ; culturally Linux has become windows from 15 - 20 years ago . Remember how people used to say windows is such trash the world would be better if we all use Linux ? The problem is the people who made Windows trash just moved on to using Linux . I mean there was a distancing with people using Windows. That is not there in Linux. But there are a lot of rants saying Linux Developer are more theoretical "not much practical experience, if you see linux, most the distros are easy to install, upgrade/recover because of the support they have also easy to sell in immigrant workers if you are just looking for a job in a first world country, easy to learn basics like kernel compilation". > Ed I can't agree more here . One thing I do dislike about the sun model was the idea of rebuilding other tools at the same time . For example we got logadm in place of logrotate. My gut feeling why stuff like that happens is corporate software development; imagine working at sun when zfs is released? How do you show you are worth your salt , when you don't work on zfs ? I know you polish some other tool , to make yourself look cool too . This is primarily because they wanted to sell their own technologies other than Solaris OS like Sun Studio. > I suspect working at redhat is similar. But I am not sure what their zfs is . ZFS Equivalent many villlans like XFS/Lustre or JFS. From _ at thomaslevine.com Fri Mar 18 11:02:53 2016 From: _ at thomaslevine.com (Thomas Levine) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 15:02:53 +0000 Subject: [talk] cheapest/smallest ARM device w/ethernet? In-Reply-To: References: <1698CB50-7592-4B94-AE8B-B76B90EF1C50@bway.net> Message-ID: <20160318150253.GA15266@tlevine.att.net> Hmm what about something with a SATA controller? Or a separate SATA controller. I want it to have space for at least two devices, preferably more like like seven. I have a bunch of small laptop hard drives that I don't use because I only ever have space for one hard drive in my laptop. They could make a good server for backups. On 15 Mar 18:42, Mark Saad wrote: > > > On Mar 15, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > > > > Howdy, > > > > There seem to be a number of folks here with an interest in the Pi and other little ARM hobby boards. > > > > Any recommendations on a FreeBSD-friendly device that?s very cheap and has built-in ethernet? Or a combo USB ethernet + ARM board that?s well-tested? > > > > Just looking for something small to stash at some remote sites to be able to run iperf tests, perhaps terminate a very low-traffic openvpn tunnel, etc. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Charles > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > Charles > > Beagle bone black rev c . About the size of a pack of cigarettes. Adafruit has a nice plastic case too . It's a arm v7 512m with onboard 100m nic , micro sd , on board flash . Runs FreeBSD , openbsd , and netbsd . > > https://www.adafruit.com/products/1278 > > > Mark saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From edlinuxguru at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 11:28:10 2016 From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 11:28:10 -0400 Subject: [talk] cheapest/smallest ARM device w/ethernet? In-Reply-To: <20160318150253.GA15266@tlevine.att.net> References: <1698CB50-7592-4B94-AE8B-B76B90EF1C50@bway.net> <20160318150253.GA15266@tlevine.att.net> Message-ID: "Just looking for something small to stash at some remote sites to be able to run iperf tests, perhaps terminate a very low-traffic openvpn tunnel, etc." ::Tracing ethernet wire:: This wire leads into a wall and does not come out the other side.The link light is still on. Punch down sheet rock..server! WTF On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Thomas Levine <_ at thomaslevine.com> wrote: > Hmm what about something with a SATA controller? Or a separate SATA > controller. I want it to have space for at least two devices, preferably > more like like seven. > > I have a bunch of small laptop hard drives that I don't use because I > only ever have space for one hard drive in my laptop. They could make > a good server for backups. > > On 15 Mar 18:42, Mark Saad wrote: > > > > > On Mar 15, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > There seem to be a number of folks here with an interest in the Pi and > other little ARM hobby boards. > > > > > > Any recommendations on a FreeBSD-friendly device that?s very cheap and > has built-in ethernet? Or a combo USB ethernet + ARM board that?s > well-tested? > > > > > > Just looking for something small to stash at some remote sites to be > able to run iperf tests, perhaps terminate a very low-traffic openvpn > tunnel, etc. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Charles > > > _______________________________________________ > > > talk mailing list > > > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > > > Charles > > > > Beagle bone black rev c . About the size of a pack of cigarettes. > Adafruit has a nice plastic case too . It's a arm v7 512m with onboard > 100m nic , micro sd , on board flash . Runs FreeBSD , openbsd , and netbsd . > > > > https://www.adafruit.com/products/1278 > > > > > > Mark saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From _ at thomaslevine.com Fri Mar 18 11:31:17 2016 From: _ at thomaslevine.com (Thomas Levine) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 15:31:17 +0000 Subject: [talk] cheapest/smallest ARM device w/ethernet? In-Reply-To: <20160318150253.GA15266@tlevine.att.net> References: <1698CB50-7592-4B94-AE8B-B76B90EF1C50@bway.net> <20160318150253.GA15266@tlevine.att.net> Message-ID: <20160318153117.GA17271@tlevine.att.net> Oh, it looks like I found my answer: This stuff is so cheap that I can get several Cubieboards and have multiple servers instead of RAID. On 18 Mar 15:02, Thomas Levine wrote: > Hmm what about something with a SATA controller? Or a separate SATA > controller. I want it to have space for at least two devices, preferably > more like like seven. > > I have a bunch of small laptop hard drives that I don't use because I > only ever have space for one hard drive in my laptop. They could make > a good server for backups. > > On 15 Mar 18:42, Mark Saad wrote: > > > > > On Mar 15, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > There seem to be a number of folks here with an interest in the Pi and other little ARM hobby boards. > > > > > > Any recommendations on a FreeBSD-friendly device that?s very cheap and has built-in ethernet? Or a combo USB ethernet + ARM board that?s well-tested? > > > > > > Just looking for something small to stash at some remote sites to be able to run iperf tests, perhaps terminate a very low-traffic openvpn tunnel, etc. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Charles > > > _______________________________________________ > > > talk mailing list > > > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > > > Charles > > > > Beagle bone black rev c . About the size of a pack of cigarettes. Adafruit has a nice plastic case too . It's a arm v7 512m with onboard 100m nic , micro sd , on board flash . Runs FreeBSD , openbsd , and netbsd . > > > > https://www.adafruit.com/products/1278 > > > > > > Mark saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sat Mar 19 11:02:10 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2016 11:02:10 -0400 Subject: [talk] BSD chromebook support Message-ID: <56ED69F2.4050906@ceetonetechnology.com> Anyone have recent experiences with BSDs on Samsung Exynos-based Chromebooks? I have a four year old one sitting around and would love to put it to use. I know FreeBSD has support for the Exynos chip as of 2014, but the FreeBSD wiki, doesn't look like it's been updated since. I am specifically wondering about hibernate/sleep. Any decent supported BSD is of interest... g From johannes at meixner.dk Sun Mar 20 15:39:21 2016 From: johannes at meixner.dk (Johannes Jost Meixner) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2016 21:39:21 +0200 Subject: [talk] fractal cells - FreeBSD-based All-In-One solution for software development startups Message-ID: <56EEFC69.4060308@meixner.dk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi, I'd like to introduce the project I've been working on for the past few months: fractal cells - a FreeBSD-based All-In-One solution for software development startups Previously mentioned by Brian Coca in July 2015 [1] on this list, it's moved forward a good deal and is working well for my purposes. For the time being, fractal cells is a set of Ansible scripts and configurations to transform a FreeBSD box into a software startup environment. fractal cells sets up a bug tracker (Redmine), a code repository (Gitlab), continuous integration tooling (Jenkins), a monitoring suite (Zabbix) as well as a few other bells and whistles necessary for daily software development work. Minimum requirements are a 2 vCPU / 2GB RAM VM. FreeBSD 10.2 default ZFS installs will do. As always, the more the merrier. Regards, Johannes [1] http://lists.nycbug.org/pipermail/talk/2015-July/016238.html [2] https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/55561/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJW7vxmAAoJEElqnXBiUNQCQVsP/0hajSjFDR0vnd6KqQYDWjZi SyIwc2FkDRC+ZH4JyFB/WGnucAmW4Dgo5xEP6xqCGLJ6FalghGogCDSz9ZXktCk2 nl3rG8kAQHQDe3Ol80q0NRRMy87LUceMF0d2DN+BIzq4lmbNpj3myaZh7xnP0klc 0xTPEoix19/ny+sRqMdnyfjaD7QM3hFJKhwobGwOzpLt9w0ZSnT8C9MhPB2+Of8M MEDVpQaO8HoFvx7piQCt7mAEvf7jG2g+WcPMQvOQudhHbTzAMtlnZO+nc4ApxpyT gbWHnL6TGt7gUyr6MZL5Q1rDgljzZmsPYABVbcz4CdoRTyyac/ERKuwri5Bt2gyn yDdMk8uYBPs7km3jzDdE6S9jaAGrqs57cQxwIVpLHgrRg8xgQzlQjlKiAmxDimye /LXIuXh4CH6Fw4sqk1OglwTJxwcfGTeAD2VMrc8Tv8p7LinznQgZD3XM/5HcCRDn pl6NKg+6pmaOnbKBNrNcZVKtUzMbQ8sfA+0ZHNiRBC+CvFoFSXWE40pVeZ3faNEt 9PwYlL9aIcCPH1KjyiHMQPufAGGkXXf8nfyJZ+3NPmDoxf/qx8DZeDC9B6m1uEVq ToL1Q+ioZ8SUaOvpg9FPhYOU5R0jm/LYsHtIeJN/DZF4gfjOMWIPOjYYdV/4iDLa LmS1oHiHIyt8ji9UvIB4 =mowz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From skreuzer at exit2shell.com Mon Mar 21 11:50:41 2016 From: skreuzer at exit2shell.com (Steven Kreuzer) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 11:50:41 -0400 Subject: [talk] NetBSD on Dreamcast Message-ID: I thought this was pretty amusing. Its a curses based slide deck on how to run NetBSD on a Sega Dreamcast which will be presented on a Sega Dreamcast running NetBSD 7 at the first Fort Wayne BSD Users Group Meetup https://github.com/fwbug/dreamcast-slides -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Mar 21 12:16:52 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 12:16:52 -0400 Subject: [talk] NetBSD on Dreamcast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56F01E74.3010303@ceetonetechnology.com> On 03/21/16 11:50, Steven Kreuzer wrote: > I thought this was pretty amusing. Its a curses based slide deck on > how to run NetBSD on a Sega Dreamcast which will be presented on a > Sega Dreamcast running NetBSD 7 at the first Fort Wayne BSD Users > Group Meetup > > https://github.com/fwbug/dreamcast-slides > +1 I like ncurses for presentations... and didn't even imagine a port for it. There's misc/tpp for FreeBSD and OpenBSD, although it requires Ruby 1.8. Then there's mpd. Weren't those specs for the Sega Dreamcast heavy for a game console in 1999? Pretty cheap on ebay, and certainly would be an interesting platform for the August installfest. g From raulcuza at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 18:37:52 2016 From: raulcuza at gmail.com (Raul Cuza) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 18:37:52 -0400 Subject: [talk] UbuntuBSD Message-ID: https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntubsd/ http://news.softpedia.com/news/meet-ubuntubsd-unix-for-human-beings-501959.shtml I guess this is one way to get around the ZFS license. A couple of red flags pop up right away: "This project is in BETA stage! It is production-ready in most cases but you could easily find some bugs. You have been warned." and """ * Debian based * FreeBSD based """ (What does this mean?) The SF site only has a couple of ISO's and doesn't seem to expose the code repo. The first beta release is called "Escape from SystemD", which is at least one good sign. Ra?l From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Mar 21 19:08:26 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 19:08:26 -0400 Subject: [talk] UbuntuBSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56F07EEA.8090203@ceetonetechnology.com> On 03/21/16 18:37, Raul Cuza wrote: > https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntubsd/ > http://news.softpedia.com/news/meet-ubuntubsd-unix-for-human-beings-501959.shtml > > I guess this is one way to get around the ZFS license. That's my guess. > > A couple of red flags pop up right away: > "This project is in BETA stage! It is production-ready in most cases > but you could easily find some bugs. You have been warned." That's comforting. You get /.'d as a BETA which means you must be production-ready. > > and > > """ > * Debian based > * FreeBSD based > """ > (What does this mean?) > > The SF site only has a couple of ISO's and doesn't seem to expose the > code repo. The first beta release is called "Escape from SystemD", > which is at least one good sign. That is a good sign. It's like a two-step program to a BSD? And not having a public repo, well, that's just dandy! I propose a 4-clause BSD license: ... 4. Thou shalt not use the name BSD in vain. g From raulcuza at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 19:47:57 2016 From: raulcuza at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ra=C3=BAl_Cuza?=) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 19:47:57 -0400 Subject: [talk] UbuntuBSD In-Reply-To: <56F07EEA.8090203@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <56F07EEA.8090203@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <199837DC-C401-4771-9DBE-53CB7761E942@gmail.com> > On Mar 21, 2016, at 19:08, George Rosamond wrote: > >> On 03/21/16 18:37, Raul Cuza wrote: >> https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntubsd/ >> http://news.softpedia.com/news/meet-ubuntubsd-unix-for-human-beings-501959.shtml >> >> I guess this is one way to get around the ZFS license. > > That's my guess. > >> >> A couple of red flags pop up right away: >> "This project is in BETA stage! It is production-ready in most cases >> but you could easily find some bugs. You have been warned." > > That's comforting. > > You get /.'d as a BETA which means you must be production-ready. > >> >> and >> >> """ >> * Debian based >> * FreeBSD based >> """ >> (What does this mean?) >> >> The SF site only has a couple of ISO's and doesn't seem to expose the >> code repo. The first beta release is called "Escape from SystemD", >> which is at least one good sign. > > That is a good sign. It's like a two-step program to a BSD? > > And not having a public repo, well, that's just dandy! > > I propose a 4-clause BSD license: > > ... > > 4. Thou shalt not use the name BSD in vain. > > > > g > I thought April 1 was early this year. From jun at soum.co.jp Tue Mar 22 02:34:01 2016 From: jun at soum.co.jp (Jun Ebihara) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 15:34:01 +0900 (JST) Subject: [talk] NetBSD on Dreamcast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160322.153401.599367910889722605.jun@soum.co.jp> From: Steven Kreuzer Subject: [talk] NetBSD on Dreamcast Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 11:50:41 -0400 > I thought this was pretty amusing. Its a curses based slide deck on how to run NetBSD on a Sega Dreamcast which will be presented on a Sega Dreamcast running NetBSD 7 at the first Fort Wayne BSD Users Group Meetup > > https://github.com/fwbug/dreamcast-slides Great! and @tsutsuii make NetBSD/dreamcast with harddisk via G1ATA adapter. https://gist.github.com/tsutsui/713a2cb010435effad08 https://twitter.com/tsutsuii/status/706844437956038657 https://twitter.com/tsutsuii/status/706411492216705024 -- Jun Ebihara