From spork at bway.net Mon Aug 6 20:18:18 2018 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 20:18:18 -0400 Subject: [talk] ARM - any Tier-1 *BSD options? Message-ID: <1C73B578-13B0-485C-930F-6EEE03FF9849@bway.net> Hi all, So I?m starting to rely on a Pi or two here and there and I?m finding the upgrade options for FreeBSD to be a bit? labor intensive. I was hoping for ?freebsd-update? but that?s not an option apparently. So for all the ARM fans here, what are my options? - Is FreeBSD going to be making any ARM stuff "Tier 1" soon? - Do either NetBSD or OpenBSD consider the Pi ?Tier 1?? - Do either NetBSD or OpenBSD have some binary upgrade equivalent to ?freebsd-update?? Thanks! Charles -- Charles Sprickman NetEng/SysAdmin Bway.net - New York's Best Internet www.bway.net spork at bway.net - 212.982.9800 From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Aug 6 20:23:00 2018 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2018 00:23:00 +0000 Subject: [talk] ARM - any Tier-1 *BSD options? In-Reply-To: <1C73B578-13B0-485C-930F-6EEE03FF9849@bway.net> References: <1C73B578-13B0-485C-930F-6EEE03FF9849@bway.net> Message-ID: <14be396e-06aa-367c-92c4-dafe4bcbb82a@ceetonetechnology.com> Charles Sprickman: > Hi all, > > So I?m starting to rely on a Pi or two here and there and I?m finding > the upgrade options for FreeBSD to be a bit? labor intensive. I was > hoping for ?freebsd-update? but that?s not an option apparently. > > So for all the ARM fans here, what are my options? > > - Is FreeBSD going to be making any ARM stuff "Tier 1" soon? - No idea, but I'd be curious to hear. Maybe something came out of BSDCan? Do > either NetBSD or OpenBSD consider the Pi ?Tier 1?? The Pi? Unlikely. Better bet is going with the BeagleBone Black. - Do either NetBSD > or OpenBSD have some binary upgrade equivalent to ?freebsd-update?? OpenBSD has syspatch for -stable, which works nicely. You know longer need a local copy of the source to patch for -stable. And upgrading is usually painless going between -release versions. I tend to find that the media is the main issue, which is most cases is microSD cards. I often build and rebuild on the same cards, and pay for it. Although my recent experiences with built-in storage/eeprom have not been pleasant. HTH g From shawn.webb at hardenedbsd.org Mon Aug 6 20:55:20 2018 From: shawn.webb at hardenedbsd.org (Shawn Webb) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 20:55:20 -0400 Subject: [talk] ARM - any Tier-1 *BSD options? In-Reply-To: <1C73B578-13B0-485C-930F-6EEE03FF9849@bway.net> References: <1C73B578-13B0-485C-930F-6EEE03FF9849@bway.net> Message-ID: <20180807005520.vny3xga6fpubeyu5@mutt-hbsd> On Mon, Aug 06, 2018 at 08:18:18PM -0400, Charles Sprickman wrote: > Hi all, > > So I???m starting to rely on a Pi or two here and there and I???m finding the upgrade options for FreeBSD to be a bit??? labor intensive. I was hoping for ???freebsd-update??? but that???s not an option apparently. > > So for all the ARM fans here, what are my options? > > - Is FreeBSD going to be making any ARM stuff "Tier 1" soon? That was planned for 12.0, but from an outsider's perspective, will probably happen in 13.0 > - Do either NetBSD or OpenBSD consider the Pi ???Tier 1???? > - Do either NetBSD or OpenBSD have some binary upgrade equivalent to ???freebsd-update???? HardenedBSD does with hbsd-update. We provide a package repo as well. The only exploit mitigation not in HardenedBSD 12-CURRENT/arm64 that is enabled in 12-CURRENT/amd64 is SafeStack. Otherwise, complete feature parity, even with non-Cross-DSO CFI. HardenedBSD has generic arm64 nightly builds of 12-CURRENT: http://jenkins.hardenedbsd.org/builds/HardenedBSD-CURRENT-arm64-LATEST/ We also have periodic builds for the RPI3: http://hardenedbsd.org/~shawn/rpi3 And periodic builds for the Pine64-LTS: https://hardenedbsd.org/~shawn/pine64-lts Thanks, -- Shawn Webb Cofounder and Security Engineer HardenedBSD Tor-ified Signal: +1 443-546-8752 Tor+XMPP+OTR: lattera at is.a.hacker.sx GPG Key ID: 0x6A84658F52456EEE GPG Key Fingerprint: 2ABA B6BD EF6A F486 BE89 3D9E 6A84 658F 5245 6EEE -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jun at soum.co.jp Mon Aug 6 21:00:42 2018 From: jun at soum.co.jp (Jun Ebihara) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2018 10:00:42 +0900 (JST) Subject: [talk] ARM - any Tier-1 *BSD options? In-Reply-To: <1C73B578-13B0-485C-930F-6EEE03FF9849@bway.net> References: <1C73B578-13B0-485C-930F-6EEE03FF9849@bway.net> Message-ID: <20180807.100042.58320630405858999.jun@soum.co.jp> From: Charles Sprickman Subject: [talk] ARM - any Tier-1 *BSD options? Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 20:18:18 -0400 > So for all the ARM fans here, what are my options? > - Do either NetBSD or OpenBSD consider the Pi ?Tier 1?? NetBSD status: 32bit: - earm : support OLD hardware - RaspberryPi can build hpcarm pkgsrc - check hpcarm/more older hardware as StrongARM/Xscale age. - earmv6hf: support RaspberryPi - for RaspberryPi1,2,2-1.2,3,3B+ - NetBSD current http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-arm/2018/07/29/msg004969.html - NetBSD 8 http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-arm/2018/07/22/msg004963.html - earmv7hf: - for RaspberryPi2-1.2,3,3B+ - BananaPi/OrangePI to Jetson TK1 64bit: aarch64 - for RaspberryPi2-1.2,3,3B+ - BananaPi/OrangePI to Jetson TK1 > - Do either NetBSD or OpenBSD have some binary upgrade equivalent to ?freebsd-update?? Operating: Just like AWS instance, 0. maintain pkgsrc package build. 1. copy recent system to microSD 2. ansible/puppeted -- Jun Ebihara From gnn at neville-neil.com Tue Aug 7 03:45:18 2018 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2018 09:45:18 +0200 Subject: [talk] ARM - any Tier-1 *BSD options? In-Reply-To: <1C73B578-13B0-485C-930F-6EEE03FF9849@bway.net> References: <1C73B578-13B0-485C-930F-6EEE03FF9849@bway.net> Message-ID: <658FA051-4F28-487F-91E7-0567DEB382D3@neville-neil.com> On 7 Aug 2018, at 2:18, Charles Sprickman wrote: > Hi all, > > So I?m starting to rely on a Pi or two here and there and I?m > finding the upgrade options for FreeBSD to be a bit? labor > intensive. I was hoping for ?freebsd-update? but that?s not an > option apparently. > > So for all the ARM fans here, what are my options? > > - Is FreeBSD going to be making any ARM stuff "Tier 1" soon? Yes. Probably in 12.0. Packages etc. are being built regularly BTW. No idea on the Net/Open front but it seems others are answering that one. Best, George > - Do either NetBSD or OpenBSD consider the Pi ?Tier 1?? > - Do either NetBSD or OpenBSD have some binary upgrade equivalent to > ?freebsd-update?? > > Thanks! > > Charles > > -- > Charles Sprickman > NetEng/SysAdmin > Bway.net - New York's Best Internet www.bway.net > spork at bway.net - 212.982.9800 > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From jim at netgate.com Tue Aug 7 12:51:21 2018 From: jim at netgate.com (Jim Thompson) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 11:51:21 -0500 Subject: [talk] ARM - any Tier-1 *BSD options? In-Reply-To: <658FA051-4F28-487F-91E7-0567DEB382D3@neville-neil.com> References: <1C73B578-13B0-485C-930F-6EEE03FF9849@bway.net> <658FA051-4F28-487F-91E7-0567DEB382D3@neville-neil.com> Message-ID: <060B9B30-59BF-4CA6-977D-EF4C9F9945F7@netgate.com> > On Aug 7, 2018, at 2:45 AM, George Neville-Neil wrote: > > > >> On 7 Aug 2018, at 2:18, Charles Sprickman wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> So I?m starting to rely on a Pi or two here and there and I?m finding the upgrade options for FreeBSD to be a bit? labor intensive. I was hoping for ?freebsd-update? but that?s not an option apparently. >> >> So for all the ARM fans here, what are my options? >> >> - Is FreeBSD going to be making any ARM stuff "Tier 1" soon? > > Yes. Probably in 12.0. Packages etc. are being built regularly BTW. > > No idea on the Net/Open front but it seems others are answering that one. Netgate has several ARM-powered devices running pfSense. The SG-1000 has a TI OMAP 3552 inside. The BeagleBone series has a faster version of the same SoC inside. We did a lot of work to the Ethernet driver. It will do just a bit under 600mbps now (no pf/ipfw). When we started it was slower than Linux, now it?s faster. All of the FreeBSD bits have been upstreamed. Our SG-3100 has a Marvell 385 in it, along with a Marvell 6141 switch. Netgate and Semihalt did a lot of work on various parts of the SoC, caches, timers, NIC driver and SD/eMMC bus. All work has either been upstreamed or is scheduled to be upstreamed. Netgate?s next product based on ARM is unannounced, but it?s clear from other places I?ve talked that it?s based on the Marvell 3720, as found on the espresso.bin. This is an arm64 platform. Similar work has taken place on the SD/eMMC bus, and to get the forwarding up to 1gbps, which required enabling the on-die coherent memory. I anticipate an announcement soon. All the FreeBSD work will be upstreamed. Finally, I just kicked off a project (read: we?re paying an outside developer) to improve the support in FreeBSD for the Marvell 7000/8000 series (pin drivers, clock drivers, etc). These are the current top-end ARM64 platforms from Marvell. First target is the solidrun macchiato.bin board. All this work will be upstreamed as it?s accomplished. The whole idea here is to help FreeBSD have arm64 as a Tier-1 architecture and give the pfSense and FreeBSD communities non-Intel options. https://twitter.com/gonzopancho/status/1005624235673387008?s=21 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, -- Shawn Webb Cofounder and Security Engineer HardenedBSD Tor-ified Signal: +1 443-546-8752 Tor+XMPP+OTR: lattera at is.a.hacker.sx GPG Key ID: 0x6A84658F52456EEE GPG Key Fingerprint: 2ABA B6BD EF6A F486 BE89 3D9E 6A84 658F 5245 6EEE -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: not available URL: From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 10:34:41 2018 From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 10:34:41 -0400 Subject: [talk] nycmesh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've seen these guys before. They're doing a good thing for the community. I'd like to dive more into what makes their network infrastructure work and get to know them more. Maybe we should invite them for a talk? --Robert On Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 02:20 Pete Wright wrote: > this looks neat - anyone participating or have the skinny on this? > > https://nycmesh.net/ > > -pete > > -- > Pete Wright > pete at nomadlogic.org > 310.309.9298 > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shawn.webb at hardenedbsd.org Tue Aug 28 10:37:49 2018 From: shawn.webb at hardenedbsd.org (Shawn Webb) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 10:37:49 -0400 Subject: [talk] nycmesh In-Reply-To: References: <20180828141904.e5aiepz4rlbbkaaz@mutt-hbsd> Message-ID: <20180828143749.6o2e2tlmerllhpqu@mutt-hbsd> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:34:42AM -0400, John C. Vernaleo wrote: > On Tue, 28 Aug 2018, Shawn Webb wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:20:05PM -0700, Pete Wright wrote: > > > this looks neat - anyone participating or have the skinny on this? > > > > > > https://nycmesh.net/ > > > > I'd like to do the same thing for Baltimore, but backing it by > > anonymization networks like Tor. In order to become a supernode, your > > node must reliably route all traffic through an anonymization network. > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > Shawn Webb > > Cofounder and Security Engineer > > HardenedBSD > > > > It sounds like an interesting idea they have but I wish they weren't > dependent on openwrt. Unless things have changed a lot since I last used > it, that was never very good on the stability, reliability, or updateability > fronts. The solution I'm thinking about cooking up will likely be a mixture of different technologies and operating systems. -- Shawn Webb Cofounder and Security Engineer HardenedBSD Tor-ified Signal: +1 443-546-8752 Tor+XMPP+OTR: lattera at is.a.hacker.sx GPG Key ID: 0x6A84658F52456EEE GPG Key Fingerprint: 2ABA B6BD EF6A F486 BE89 3D9E 6A84 658F 5245 6EEE -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe we should invite them for a talk? > > --Robert > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 02:20 Pete Wright wrote: > > > this looks neat - anyone participating or have the skinny on this? > > > > https://nycmesh.net/ > > > > -pete > > > > -- > > Pete Wright > > pete at nomadlogic.org > > 310.309.9298 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk at lists.nycbug.org > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Are there any currently scheduled? - iPhone mail > On Aug 28, 2018, at 2:20 AM, Pete Wright wrote: > > this looks neat - anyone participating or have the skinny on this? > > https://nycmesh.net/ > > -pete > > -- > Pete Wright > pete at nomadlogic.org > 310.309.9298 > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue Aug 28 12:45:46 2018 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 09:45:46 -0700 Subject: [talk] nycmesh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61e6327c-ed2f-cc64-0bb8-ae356d47ac69@nomadlogic.org> On 8/28/18 7:34 AM, Robert Menes wrote: > I've seen these guys before. They're doing a good thing for the > community. > > I'd like to dive more into what makes their network infrastructure > work and get to know them more. Maybe we should invite them for a talk? i think that'd be an awesome talk.? from digging into what little technical docs they have on the site it seems their internet ingress is at Sabey via DE-CIX at 375 Pearl st.? I wonder who financed the initial standup of that, and if their subscriptions cover the maint costs or is someone helping offset the losses there. why yes i want to do this in santa monica/west LA why are you asking? :) -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue Aug 28 12:49:58 2018 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 09:49:58 -0700 Subject: [talk] nycmesh In-Reply-To: References: <20180828141904.e5aiepz4rlbbkaaz@mutt-hbsd> Message-ID: <00ed2bb7-b1e1-5c53-25a7-17eb52b237d6@nomadlogic.org> On 8/28/18 7:34 AM, John C. Vernaleo wrote: > On Tue, 28 Aug 2018, Shawn Webb wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:20:05PM -0700, Pete Wright wrote: >>> this looks neat - anyone participating or have the skinny on this? >>> >>> https://nycmesh.net/ >> >> I'd like to do the same thing for Baltimore, but backing it by >> anonymization networks like Tor. In order to become a supernode, your >> node must reliably route all traffic through an anonymization network. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Shawn Webb >> Cofounder and Security Engineer >> HardenedBSD >> > > It sounds like an interesting idea they have but I wish they weren't > dependent on openwrt.? Unless things have changed a lot since I last > used it, that was never very good on the stability, reliability, or > updateability fronts. i noticed that as well last night - according to the faq the supernodes are just using quagga and BGP which is obviously an ideal candidate for OpenBSD or another BSD appliance: https://nycmesh.net/faq/#firmware i'm willing to bet they would be keen to get more of the BSD community involved :) -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From gnn at neville-neil.com Tue Aug 28 13:01:24 2018 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 13:01:24 -0400 Subject: [talk] nycmesh In-Reply-To: <00ed2bb7-b1e1-5c53-25a7-17eb52b237d6@nomadlogic.org> References: <20180828141904.e5aiepz4rlbbkaaz@mutt-hbsd> <00ed2bb7-b1e1-5c53-25a7-17eb52b237d6@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <8B33807F-33C3-4D76-965C-83B2D5DA3C89@neville-neil.com> On 28 Aug 2018, at 12:49, Pete Wright wrote: > On 8/28/18 7:34 AM, John C. Vernaleo wrote: >> On Tue, 28 Aug 2018, Shawn Webb wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:20:05PM -0700, Pete Wright wrote: >>>> this looks neat - anyone participating or have the skinny on this? >>>> >>>> https://nycmesh.net/ >>> >>> I'd like to do the same thing for Baltimore, but backing it by >>> anonymization networks like Tor. In order to become a supernode, >>> your >>> node must reliably route all traffic through an anonymization >>> network. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -- >>> Shawn Webb >>> Cofounder and Security Engineer >>> HardenedBSD >>> >> >> It sounds like an interesting idea they have but I wish they weren't >> dependent on openwrt.? Unless things have changed a lot since I last >> used it, that was never very good on the stability, reliability, or >> updateability fronts. > > > i noticed that as well last night - according to the faq the > supernodes are just using quagga and BGP which is obviously an ideal > candidate for OpenBSD or another BSD appliance: > > https://nycmesh.net/faq/#firmware > > i'm willing to bet they would be keen to get more of the BSD community > involved :) > I looked at signing up to be a node but it looks like downtown Brooklyn is too far from their two points. Later, George From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue Aug 28 14:09:19 2018 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 11:09:19 -0700 Subject: [talk] nycmesh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8fd05a9b-b4e5-81c7-1cd2-1185b79eb7ad@nomadlogic.org> On 8/28/18 7:34 AM, Robert Menes wrote: > I've seen these guys before. They're doing a good thing for the > community. > > I'd like to dive more into what makes their network infrastructure > work and get to know them more. Maybe we should invite them for a talk? oh nice - they have a meetup scheduled for tomorrow: https://www.meetup.com/nycmesh/?_cookie-check=xCJFe62EvQ0By55g -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From spork at bway.net Tue Aug 28 14:46:58 2018 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:46:58 -0400 Subject: [talk] nycmesh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Aug 28, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Robert Menes wrote: > > I've seen these guys before. They're doing a good thing for the community. > > I'd like to dive more into what makes their network infrastructure work and get to know them more. Maybe we should invite them for a talk? > Speaking as someone who has 5GHz (and 24GHz and 60GHz) radios in the air in NYC, well, more power to them, but it is a really rough environment. The FCC has pretty much all but guaranteed that you have to either take a nearly-useless frequency (60GHz, google ?oxygen absorption?) or just share with all those home users, Spectrum ?public? access points, and whatever other garbage you find in the 5GHz band. It?s shameful that we?re at this place where not even a small WISP or a non-profit with some funding has any low-cost licensed options available. http://reboot.fcc.gov/spectrumdashboard/searchSpectrum.seam Equipment is also cheaper than ever, but it?s mostly 5GHz gear - great in some more rural locales, not so great in NYC. A screenshot of some of the NYCMesh gear shows that it?s a bit icky: https://nycmesh.net/panorama/1.7miles.png (take those PHY-layer speeds with a boulder-sized grain of salt - also note that they?re possibly running over power limits at one end) They do have a map: https://nycmesh.net/map/ And lots of info in the Docs section, including how the supernode is setup: https://docs.nycmesh.net/networking/ TL;DR - cool project, but it?s not going to perform and I would expect the reliability to be rather spotty. Not saying that?s their fault, it?s a consequence of doing this in NYC using unlicensed wifi gear. Charles > --Robert > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 02:20 Pete Wright > wrote: > this looks neat - anyone participating or have the skinny on this? > > https://nycmesh.net/ > > -pete > > -- > Pete Wright > pete at nomadlogic.org > 310.309.9298 > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmsujit at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 10:59:34 2018 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 20:29:34 +0530 Subject: [talk] How Secure? Message-ID: Hi All, I had sent some of the Personalization Features that Might be used in most of the major websites. Now look at some thing I have a problem with me??? If a site says 10 customers have purchased this product so puts up a generated score for the product, That is ok, with me. But if now a site says that a person X personalization has been disclosed, how come?. If you are hacking some one you can get that Info any time are we. Phishing is some thing we can look for an easy way out. That to the point is a way to look at How Secure? are we. Regards, Sujit K M From mark.saad at ymail.com Fri Aug 31 16:58:26 2018 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 20:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [talk] Weekend Reading Assignment OS/2 people talk OpenBSD References: <1865880855.1688155.1535749106911.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1865880855.1688155.1535749106911@mail.yahoo.com> All Here is a good bug review on OpenBSD that comes from all places but the OS/2 Museum. http://www.os2museum.com/wp/the-history-of-a-security-hole/ Enjoy your Labor Day. -- Mark Saad mark.saad at ymail.com