From jkeenan at pobox.com Sun Sep 2 22:17:42 2018 From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 22:17:42 -0400 Subject: [talk] Wed Sep 5 social gathering suggested Message-ID: <830d574b-9c4c-88ec-5545-5d8c807e8261@pobox.com> Dear NYCBUGgers, It's been too long since we had a NYCBUG technical meeting on the first Wednesday of the month, and also a long time since we attempted a quasi-substitute social meeting. So as to not get completely out of the NYCBUG habit, I'm inviting one and all to come to our old haunt, Suspenders, this Wednesday at 6:30 pm. Suspenders 108 Greenwich St (north of Rector St; south of WTC) #1, R, W to Rector St; #4, 5 to Wall ST Be sure to look for us on both floors of the bar. I'll probably try to secure table(s) on the upper level, but look on both. At least one round of beer will be provided for anyone who can help me out of Ubuntu laptop system upgrade fiasco. (Cue sniggers.) Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 11:30:27 2018 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Patrick McEvoy) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2018 11:30:27 -0400 Subject: [talk] Wed Sep 5 social gathering suggested In-Reply-To: <830d574b-9c4c-88ec-5545-5d8c807e8261@pobox.com> References: <830d574b-9c4c-88ec-5545-5d8c807e8261@pobox.com> Message-ID: <5B8D5393.6070700@gmail.com> James E Keenan wrote: > Dear NYCBUGgers, > > It's been too long since we had a NYCBUG technical meeting on the first > Wednesday of the month, and also a long time since we attempted a > quasi-substitute social meeting. > > So as to not get completely out of the NYCBUG habit, I'm inviting one > and all to come to our old haunt, Suspenders, this Wednesday at 6:30 pm. > > Suspenders > 108 Greenwich St > (north of Rector St; south of WTC) > #1, R, W to Rector St; #4, 5 to Wall ST > > Be sure to look for us on both floors of the bar. I'll probably try to > secure table(s) on the upper level, but look on both. > > At least one round of beer will be provided for anyone who can help me > out of Ubuntu laptop system upgrade fiasco. (Cue sniggers.) > > Thank you very much. > Jim Keenan > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk See you there. P From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Sep 3 11:32:00 2018 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2018 15:32:00 +0000 Subject: [talk] Wed Sep 5 social gathering suggested In-Reply-To: <5B8D5393.6070700@gmail.com> References: <830d574b-9c4c-88ec-5545-5d8c807e8261@pobox.com> <5B8D5393.6070700@gmail.com> Message-ID: Patrick McEvoy: > > > James E Keenan wrote: >> Dear NYCBUGgers, >> >> It's been too long since we had a NYCBUG technical meeting on the first >> Wednesday of the month, and also a long time since we attempted a >> quasi-substitute social meeting. >> >> So as to not get completely out of the NYCBUG habit, I'm inviting one >> and all to come to our old haunt, Suspenders, this Wednesday at 6:30 pm. >> >> Suspenders >> 108 Greenwich St >> (north of Rector St; south of WTC) >> #1, R, W to Rector St; #4, 5 to Wall ST >> >> Be sure to look for us on both floors of the bar. I'll probably try to >> secure table(s) on the upper level, but look on both. >> >> At least one round of beer will be provided for anyone who can help me >> out of Ubuntu laptop system upgrade fiasco. (Cue sniggers.) >> >> Thank you very much. >> Jim Keenan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > See you there. I personally can't make it, but I can make it the topic on #nycbug and send out an announce. g From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 12:23:58 2018 From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 12:23:58 -0400 Subject: [talk] Wed Sep 5 social gathering suggested In-Reply-To: <830d574b-9c4c-88ec-5545-5d8c807e8261@pobox.com> References: <830d574b-9c4c-88ec-5545-5d8c807e8261@pobox.com> Message-ID: Sounds good! I'll be there! On Sun, Sep 2, 2018, 22:37 James E Keenan wrote: > Dear NYCBUGgers, > > It's been too long since we had a NYCBUG technical meeting on the first > Wednesday of the month, and also a long time since we attempted a > quasi-substitute social meeting. > > So as to not get completely out of the NYCBUG habit, I'm inviting one > and all to come to our old haunt, Suspenders, this Wednesday at 6:30 pm. > > Suspenders > 108 Greenwich St > (north of Rector St; south of WTC) > #1, R, W to Rector St; #4, 5 to Wall ST > > Be sure to look for us on both floors of the bar. I'll probably try to > secure table(s) on the upper level, but look on both. > > At least one round of beer will be provided for anyone who can help me > out of Ubuntu laptop system upgrade fiasco. (Cue sniggers.) > > Thank you very much. > Jim Keenan > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.saad at ymail.com Sat Sep 8 09:44:50 2018 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 09:44:50 -0400 Subject: [talk] Hardware fundraiser Message-ID: All We donated a bunch of networking gear to the FreeBSD project this summer. Scroll all the way down. https://www.freebsd.org/donations/donors.html We also sent OpenBSD similar cards and a hand full of optics . Point is I wanted to see if we should have a hardware fundraiser of sorts . We could ping the projects for wants and needs and see if anyone on the list can provide access to the hardware or donate it . So what do you all think ? --- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bcallah at devio.us Sat Sep 8 12:03:17 2018 From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 12:03:17 -0400 Subject: [talk] Hardware fundraiser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 09/08/18 09:44, Mark Saad wrote: > All > ? We donated a bunch of networking gear to the FreeBSD project this > summer. ?Scroll all the way down. > https://www.freebsd.org/donations/donors.html > > We also sent OpenBSD similar cards and a hand full of optics . > > Point is I wanted to see if we should have a hardware fundraiser of > sorts . > > We could ping the projects for wants and needs and see if anyone on > the list can provide access to the hardware or donate it . > > So what do you all think ? > I think this is a great idea. Can I plug a need of my own here for a quick second? If anyone has a working, OpenBSD-supported hppa machine they're looking to get rid of, let me know. I'll take any one as long as it works and is supported by OpenBSD. I've had a number of port upstreams suddenly interested in improving PA-RISC support. ~Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sat Sep 8 12:15:00 2018 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 16:15:00 +0000 Subject: [talk] Hardware fundraiser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8bd5387f-5a32-30a6-9f64-0dfe0b584102@ceetonetechnology.com> Brian Callahan: > > On 09/08/18 09:44, Mark Saad wrote: >> All >> ? We donated a bunch of networking gear to the FreeBSD project this >> summer. ?Scroll all the way down. >> https://www.freebsd.org/donations/donors.html >> >> We also sent OpenBSD similar cards and a hand full of optics . >> >> Point is I wanted to see if we should have a hardware fundraiser of >> sorts . >> >> We could ping the projects for wants and needs and see if anyone on >> the list can provide access to the hardware or donate it . >> >> So what do you all think ? >> > > I think this is a great idea. Can I plug a need of my own here for a > quick second? If anyone has a working, OpenBSD-supported hppa machine > they're looking to get rid of, let me know. I'll take any one as long as > it works and is supported by OpenBSD. I've had a number of port > upstreams suddenly interested in improving PA-RISC support. A few things on this: We have done this before sporadically over the years, mostly individual NYC people to individual BSD devs. Sometimes it's ordering something via Ebay and shipping it overseas, sometimes it's some left over production hardware. I actually sent the late mickey@ an old sparc64 box (IIRC) that he ordered via ebay about ten years ago, which saved a lot of costs and a bunch of headaches... To get this moving, I think it's best to start local. It *feels* better to do it for far-off devs, but we have enough devs in and around NYC from all the projects, and we eliminate shipping hassles. Enough people on this list work in production environments where old hardware is frequently being EOL'd which is a good source. The BSD 'donations wanted' lists tend to be dated.. so not sure if they're the best guide. Pinging people 'in the know' about porting/testing efforts might be a good start. Christos of NetBSD in NYC is one good start... g From bcallah at devio.us Sat Sep 8 18:12:05 2018 From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 18:12:05 -0400 Subject: [talk] Hardware fundraiser In-Reply-To: <8bd5387f-5a32-30a6-9f64-0dfe0b584102@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <8bd5387f-5a32-30a6-9f64-0dfe0b584102@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On 09/08/18 12:15, George Rosamond wrote: > > Brian Callahan: >> On 09/08/18 09:44, Mark Saad wrote: >>> All >>> ? We donated a bunch of networking gear to the FreeBSD project this >>> summer. ?Scroll all the way down. >>> https://www.freebsd.org/donations/donors.html >>> >>> We also sent OpenBSD similar cards and a hand full of optics . >>> >>> Point is I wanted to see if we should have a hardware fundraiser of >>> sorts . >>> >>> We could ping the projects for wants and needs and see if anyone on >>> the list can provide access to the hardware or donate it . >>> >>> So what do you all think ? >>> >> I think this is a great idea. Can I plug a need of my own here for a >> quick second? If anyone has a working, OpenBSD-supported hppa machine >> they're looking to get rid of, let me know. I'll take any one as long as >> it works and is supported by OpenBSD. I've had a number of port >> upstreams suddenly interested in improving PA-RISC support. > A few things on this: > > We have done this before sporadically over the years, mostly individual > NYC people to individual BSD devs. Sometimes it's ordering something > via Ebay and shipping it overseas, sometimes it's some left over > production hardware. > > I actually sent the late mickey@ an old sparc64 box (IIRC) that he > ordered via ebay about ten years ago, which saved a lot of costs and a > bunch of headaches... > > To get this moving, I think it's best to start local. It *feels* better > to do it for far-off devs, but we have enough devs in and around NYC > from all the projects, and we eliminate shipping hassles. > > Enough people on this list work in production environments where old > hardware is frequently being EOL'd which is a good source. > > The BSD 'donations wanted' lists tend to be dated.. so not sure if > they're the best guide. Pinging people 'in the know' about > porting/testing efforts might be a good start. Christos of NetBSD in > NYC is one good start... > This is really me thinking aloud more than anything, but would it be worth it to have a "things we've donated" page on the nycbug website? Not to brag about it, but to serve as a general reminder that this is one of the things nycbug can facilitate for developers, and remind people that they can donate hardware to devs. Something with like a note at the end that says "If you have hardware to donate, please email the talk@ list at any time with a general query." or something like that? Or even a "local developers: if you have a hardware need please ping talk@ (or admin@?)" or something like that. I know I for one always have hardware needs and I never think to ask. I'm sure I'm not the only one in that boat... ~Brian From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Sep 17 08:29:00 2018 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:29:00 +0000 Subject: [talk] irc #nycbug Message-ID: <61265208-bcc2-2136-099a-3b9aafaec6c6@ceetonetechnology.com> We have implemented a few mitigation measures due to spam on freenode. Earlier, we required a +v for users to talk, but I dropped that. Spam returned, so now we're +r, which means you have to be registered to join the channel. Hopefully that will squash any spam issues. g -- 5822 F82D 665B 5C6A 915B FAD4 B014 1CEE 545A A6C6 From spork at bway.net Tue Sep 18 14:26:22 2018 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:26:22 -0400 Subject: [talk] OT: NYU IT contacts? Message-ID: Hi all, Anyone here have contacts at NYU?s IT department? I have them blocking a few IPs that have clean reputations when sending to ?med.nyu.edu?. Sadly, ?postmaster at med.nyu.edu? bounces. ?postmaster at nyu.edu? errors out: : can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: Couldn't chdir to "/var/mail/pmaster" procmail: Lock failure on "/var/mail/pmaster.lock" procmail: Error while writing to "/var/mail/pmaster" procmail: Error while writing to "/var/spool/mail/pmaster" Reporting-MTA: dns; its.es.its.nyu.edu X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 3B133C8 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; css at morefoo.com Arrival-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Offlist replies are fine? Thanks, Charles From steve.b at osfda.org Tue Sep 18 17:09:47 2018 From: steve.b at osfda.org (Steve) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:09:47 -0400 Subject: [talk] OT: NYU IT contacts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6f571954-8e0d-5141-9935-ba7a0d104835@osfda.org> Are any of their domains NOT registered anonymously? Might find an Email handle there. I would keep such a contact short and sweet; like: "Who should I contact about erroneous Email blacklisting? for ...? (postmaster at med.nyu.edu bounces when I had tried to report it...)" On 9/18/2018 2:26 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > Hi all, > > Anyone here have contacts at NYU?s IT department? > > I have them blocking a few IPs that have clean reputations when sending to ?med.nyu.edu?. Sadly, ?postmaster at med.nyu.edu? bounces. > > ?postmaster at nyu.edu? errors out: > > : can't create user output file. Command output: procmail: > Couldn't chdir to "/var/mail/pmaster" procmail: Lock failure on > "/var/mail/pmaster.lock" procmail: Error while writing to > "/var/mail/pmaster" procmail: Error while writing to > "/var/spool/mail/pmaster" > Reporting-MTA: dns; its.es.its.nyu.edu > X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 3B133C8 > X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; css at morefoo.com > Arrival-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:22:34 -0400 (EDT) > > Offlist replies are fine? > > Thanks, > > Charles > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sat Sep 22 20:22:00 2018 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 00:22:00 +0000 Subject: [talk] MakerFaire Message-ID: <91040f21-c469-5434-3d6b-14b93091bae6@ceetonetechnology.com> Not sure who else made it, but went for one day. I did see Brian R...I usually see a dozen people I know well. It really feels like it's on the decline, unfortunately. Attendance was definitely lower, and the commercialization creep is at hand. There was Lexus, but no TOOOL lockpick village for two years now. I think I heard Make wanted to charge TOOOL even though they provide a the free lockpick workshops that are wildly popular. Apparently, Make jacked up the pricing on EFF, to the point that even they didn't have a table. Not sure if the same happened with others. There were most of the usual SoC/embedded manufacturers, but their presence might be dictated by the market as much as the fees. I did speak to one long-time MakerFaire staffer.. we both recognized each other since we've both been at them all since the Queens one started. They mentioned that there's a a recognition among the MakerFaire staff that it's getting increasingly commercialized, with less of a 'tinkerer' feeling to it. And is supposedly a discussion that the Make upper level doesn't quite get. There was still a lot of hands-on soldering, etc, activities though. Lots of universities were there, but the massive 3d printing presence was negligible. But I did get to see two fathers in a physical fistfight. Usually I go for both days, and am happy to spend the time. This year, one day was enough. It really doesn't reflect what seemed to be the old Tim O'Reilly vibe in the beginning... I wonder if the $40 bucks I spent for today will seem worth it next year... g