From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 10:10:00 2019 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 10:10:00 -0500 Subject: [talk] Next NYC*BUG: Tomorrow *New Location* Message-ID: <6DF700BB-1861-43F5-A346-9D83D7EA549D@gmail.com> Holiday Party: Boat Bar Address: 175 Smith St, Brooklyn, NY 11201 Phone: +1 718 254 0607 Bar Hours: 5PM?4AM Party: 6:45 - whenever We will have our holiday Party in Brooklyn this year. Come down and see the SDF Traveling terminal complete with working login! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at rigelfore.com Wed Dec 4 18:08:55 2019 From: eric at rigelfore.com (Eric Melville) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:08:55 -0500 Subject: [talk] Next NYC*BUG: Dec 4th: more Traveling Terminal and a Holiday Hardware swap party In-Reply-To: References: <67032908-66A3-4E11-9E64-E69FBBA5AFCF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4860841D-CAC7-4392-9DBA-5FCCEB9FBD43@rigelfore.com> Well, like a total dipshit I missed all the mail. Hello from Suspenders! It is nice and mellow. - iPhone mail > On Nov 26, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Robert Menes wrote: > > Would anyone object to pushing the holiday gathering forward one week and have it on the 11th instead? Maybe Suspenders will be available then? > >> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 15:38 Pat McEvoy wrote: >> Just got off the phone with Romeo at Suspenders. Looks like they are booked for the 4th of December with office holiday parties. Does anyone have office/ meeting space they could recommend for our December meeting? >> >> Patrick >> >> >> > On Nov 24, 2019, at 14:05, Pat McEvoy wrote: >> > >> > ?Most of these sort of parties are spent catching up and hanging out anyway. >> > Looking forward to seeing everyone and putting the terminal through its paces. >> > Be well folks, >> > P >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 10:45 AM George Rosamond >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 11/24/19 10:38 AM, Pat McEvoy wrote: >> >>> Instead of a holiday yule log fireplace video, I was thinking about >> >>> running some Bell Labs Archive videos on the projector ( with sound) >> >>> while we play with the AT&T traveling terminal and enjoying the >> >>> Suspenders second floor. >> >>> Thoughts? >> >>> >> >>> Video Playlist: (please add your favs to this list) >> >>> >> >>> UNIX: Making Computers Easier To Use -- AT&T Archives film from 1982, >> >>> Bell Laboratories >> >>> https://youtu.be/XvDZLjaCJuw >> >>> >> >>> AT&T Archives: The UNIX Operating System >> >>> https://youtu.be/tc4ROCJYbm0 >> >>> >> >> >> >> Yes, agree, good stuff, great idea... but also lighten up the pressure >> >> on yourself! >> >> >> >> We need to be sustainable... >> >> >> >> g >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> talk mailing list >> >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> >> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com Wed Dec 4 19:00:43 2019 From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 19:00:43 -0500 Subject: [talk] Next NYC*BUG: Dec 4th: more Traveling Terminal and a Holiday Hardware swap party In-Reply-To: <4860841D-CAC7-4392-9DBA-5FCCEB9FBD43@rigelfore.com> References: <67032908-66A3-4E11-9E64-E69FBBA5AFCF@gmail.com> <4860841D-CAC7-4392-9DBA-5FCCEB9FBD43@rigelfore.com> Message-ID: I couldn't even make it tonight... cruuuuud. ;_; On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 18:08 Eric Melville wrote: > Well, like a total dipshit I missed all the mail. > > Hello from Suspenders! It is nice and mellow. > > - iPhone mail > > On Nov 26, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Robert Menes > wrote: > > Would anyone object to pushing the holiday gathering forward one week and > have it on the 11th instead? Maybe Suspenders will be available then? > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 15:38 Pat McEvoy wrote: > >> Just got off the phone with Romeo at Suspenders. Looks like they are >> booked for the 4th of December with office holiday parties. Does anyone >> have office/ meeting space they could recommend for our December meeting? >> >> Patrick >> >> >> > On Nov 24, 2019, at 14:05, Pat McEvoy wrote: >> > >> > ?Most of these sort of parties are spent catching up and hanging out >> anyway. >> > Looking forward to seeing everyone and putting the terminal through its >> paces. >> > Be well folks, >> > P >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 10:45 AM George Rosamond >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 11/24/19 10:38 AM, Pat McEvoy wrote: >> >>> Instead of a holiday yule log fireplace video, I was thinking about >> >>> running some Bell Labs Archive videos on the projector ( with sound) >> >>> while we play with the AT&T traveling terminal and enjoying the >> >>> Suspenders second floor. >> >>> Thoughts? >> >>> >> >>> Video Playlist: (please add your favs to this list) >> >>> >> >>> UNIX: Making Computers Easier To Use -- AT&T Archives film from 1982, >> >>> Bell Laboratories >> >>> https://youtu.be/XvDZLjaCJuw >> >>> >> >>> AT&T Archives: The UNIX Operating System >> >>> https://youtu.be/tc4ROCJYbm0 >> >>> >> >> >> >> Yes, agree, good stuff, great idea... but also lighten up the pressure >> >> on yourself! >> >> >> >> We need to be sustainable... >> >> >> >> g >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> talk mailing list >> >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> >> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk >> > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raulcuza at gmail.com Wed Dec 4 19:14:41 2019 From: raulcuza at gmail.com (Raul Cuza) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 19:14:41 -0500 Subject: [talk] Next NYC*BUG: Dec 4th: more Traveling Terminal and a Holiday Hardware swap party In-Reply-To: References: <67032908-66A3-4E11-9E64-E69FBBA5AFCF@gmail.com> <4860841D-CAC7-4392-9DBA-5FCCEB9FBD43@rigelfore.com> Message-ID: If you head to BK now, I won?t be the only one arriving late! On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 19:01 Robert Menes wrote: > I couldn't even make it tonight... cruuuuud. ;_; > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 18:08 Eric Melville wrote: > >> Well, like a total dipshit I missed all the mail. >> >> Hello from Suspenders! It is nice and mellow. >> >> - iPhone mail >> >> On Nov 26, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Robert Menes >> wrote: >> >> Would anyone object to pushing the holiday gathering forward one week and >> have it on the 11th instead? Maybe Suspenders will be available then? >> >> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 15:38 Pat McEvoy wrote: >> >>> Just got off the phone with Romeo at Suspenders. Looks like they are >>> booked for the 4th of December with office holiday parties. Does anyone >>> have office/ meeting space they could recommend for our December meeting? >>> >>> Patrick >>> >>> >>> > On Nov 24, 2019, at 14:05, Pat McEvoy wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Most of these sort of parties are spent catching up and hanging out >>> anyway. >>> > Looking forward to seeing everyone and putting the terminal through >>> its paces. >>> > Be well folks, >>> > P >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 10:45 AM George Rosamond >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> On 11/24/19 10:38 AM, Pat McEvoy wrote: >>> >>> Instead of a holiday yule log fireplace video, I was thinking about >>> >>> running some Bell Labs Archive videos on the projector ( with sound) >>> >>> while we play with the AT&T traveling terminal and enjoying the >>> >>> Suspenders second floor. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> >>> >>> Video Playlist: (please add your favs to this list) >>> >>> >>> >>> UNIX: Making Computers Easier To Use -- AT&T Archives film from 1982, >>> >>> Bell Laboratories >>> >>> https://youtu.be/XvDZLjaCJuw >>> >>> >>> >>> AT&T Archives: The UNIX Operating System >>> >>> https://youtu.be/tc4ROCJYbm0 >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> Yes, agree, good stuff, great idea... but also lighten up the pressure >>> >> on yourself! >>> >> >>> >> We need to be sustainable... >>> >> >>> >> g >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> talk mailing list >>> >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >>> >> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk at lists.nycbug.org >>> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Fri Dec 6 11:58:14 2019 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 11:58:14 -0500 Subject: [talk] Verizon Cell Modem card for opnsense Message-ID: <6EF999CE-2AB0-4255-BCEA-037960198D55@gmail.com> Does anyone have experience with opnsense with cell modem cards?Specifically on the Verizon network? I am looking for a hardware recommendation for a 4G card to be used for local NY Verizon data service. It would be placed in either a PFsense or preferably Opnsense box for a tiny edge case network I need to put together. Feel free to ping me off-list and I would be happy to share my findings with anyone interested. Hardware-wise I am thinking an APU3c4 because of the price and number of ports. I will also be asking on Opnsense lists, but local experience can be invaluable when it come to hardware selection. Be well, P From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Dec 6 18:54:50 2019 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 18:54:50 -0500 Subject: [talk] other hardware suggestions Message-ID: <40dc1e13-a480-5f95-977f-ac87caece7b6@ceetonetechnology.com> Not to distract from Patrick's thread, but I am looking at two needs right now: * some sort of well-supported amd64 hardware comparable in price and specs to the PCEngine APU2. More than one NIC is good, but I'm wary of relying on mSATA SSD's as Sony deprecated their line IIRC. m.2 seems to be the next gen of storage for that world. * similar hardware with four or more USB ports, for the role of a serial console server. I assume there are still people out there not looking to go rely on custom hardware for that role, and really assuming there are some of us not living solely in the smog. I am interested in others' experiences with the ethernet to serial dongles for remote serial... Not a fan of going the Intel NUC route, as closed hardware, locked down BIOS' and endless binaries still doesn't excite me. Also the ARM SoC game is played for me, so long as it's relying on microSD cards, and the BSD ARM64 platforms still lag behind amd64 support AFAIK. g From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Sat Dec 7 00:07:03 2019 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 00:07:03 -0500 Subject: [talk] other hardware suggestions In-Reply-To: <40dc1e13-a480-5f95-977f-ac87caece7b6@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <40dc1e13-a480-5f95-977f-ac87caece7b6@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: > On Dec 6, 2019, at 18:55, George Rosamond wrote: > > ?Not to distract from Patrick's thread, but I am looking at two needs > right now: > > * some sort of well-supported amd64 hardware comparable in price and > specs to the PCEngine APU2. More than one NIC is good, but I'm wary of > relying on mSATA SSD's as Sony deprecated their line IIRC. m.2 seems to > be the next gen of storage for that world. > > * similar hardware with four or more USB ports, for the role of a serial > console server. I assume there are still people out there not looking to > go rely on custom hardware for that role, and really assuming there are > some of us not living solely in the smog. > > I am interested in others' experiences with the ethernet to serial > dongles for remote serial... > > Not a fan of going the Intel NUC route, as closed hardware, locked down > BIOS' and endless binaries still doesn't excite me. > > Also the ARM SoC game is played for me, so long as it's relying on > microSD cards, and the BSD ARM64 platforms still lag behind amd64 > support AFAIK. > > g > > ______________________________________________ It is still early days yet, but the Rock64 pro might fit the bill in days to come. Especially since the pro laptop has hit the market. I know some folks were buzzing about the possibilities at the last BSDCan. From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sat Dec 7 11:15:47 2019 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 11:15:47 -0500 Subject: [talk] other hardware suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <40dc1e13-a480-5f95-977f-ac87caece7b6@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <326e2910-0ac6-e0ad-c011-59e8dfe61c4c@ceetonetechnology.com> On 12/7/19 12:07 AM, Pat McEvoy wrote: > > >> On Dec 6, 2019, at 18:55, George Rosamond wrote: >> >> ?Not to distract from Patrick's thread, but I am looking at two needs >> right now: >> >> * some sort of well-supported amd64 hardware comparable in price and >> specs to the PCEngine APU2. More than one NIC is good, but I'm wary of >> relying on mSATA SSD's as Sony deprecated their line IIRC. m.2 seems to >> be the next gen of storage for that world. >> >> * similar hardware with four or more USB ports, for the role of a serial >> console server. I assume there are still people out there not looking to >> go rely on custom hardware for that role, and really assuming there are >> some of us not living solely in the smog. >> >> I am interested in others' experiences with the ethernet to serial >> dongles for remote serial... >> >> Not a fan of going the Intel NUC route, as closed hardware, locked down >> BIOS' and endless binaries still doesn't excite me. >> >> Also the ARM SoC game is played for me, so long as it's relying on >> microSD cards, and the BSD ARM64 platforms still lag behind amd64 >> support AFAIK. >> >> g >> >> ______________________________________________ > > It is still early days yet, but the Rock64 pro might fit the bill in days to come. Especially since the pro laptop has hit the market. I know some folks were buzzing about the possibilities at the last BSDCan. > Yes, but again it's relying on microSD and eMMC which I also had bad experiences with. m.2 SSD or other SSD already proved a lot more reliable to me. g From nonesuch at longcount.org Sat Dec 7 11:21:52 2019 From: nonesuch at longcount.org (Mark Saad) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 11:21:52 -0500 Subject: [talk] other hardware suggestions In-Reply-To: <326e2910-0ac6-e0ad-c011-59e8dfe61c4c@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <326e2910-0ac6-e0ad-c011-59e8dfe61c4c@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <44CE819D-B202-49AA-B15F-33DBAB1B18F8@longcount.org> > On Dec 7, 2019, at 11:16 AM, George Rosamond wrote: > > ? > >> On 12/7/19 12:07 AM, Pat McEvoy wrote: >> >> >>>> On Dec 6, 2019, at 18:55, George Rosamond wrote: >>> >>> ?Not to distract from Patrick's thread, but I am looking at two needs >>> right now: >>> >>> * some sort of well-supported amd64 hardware comparable in price and >>> specs to the PCEngine APU2. More than one NIC is good, but I'm wary of >>> relying on mSATA SSD's as Sony deprecated their line IIRC. m.2 seems to >>> be the next gen of storage for that world. >>> >>> * similar hardware with four or more USB ports, for the role of a serial >>> console server. I assume there are still people out there not looking to >>> go rely on custom hardware for that role, and really assuming there are >>> some of us not living solely in the smog. >>> >>> I am interested in others' experiences with the ethernet to serial >>> dongles for remote serial... >>> >>> Not a fan of going the Intel NUC route, as closed hardware, locked down >>> BIOS' and endless binaries still doesn't excite me. >>> >>> Also the ARM SoC game is played for me, so long as it's relying on >>> microSD cards, and the BSD ARM64 platforms still lag behind amd64 >>> support AFAIK. >>> >>> g >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >> >> It is still early days yet, but the Rock64 pro might fit the bill in days to come. Especially since the pro laptop has hit the market. I know some folks were buzzing about the possibilities at the last BSDCan. >> > > Yes, but again it's relying on microSD and eMMC which I also had bad > experiences with. m.2 SSD or other SSD already proved a lot more > reliable to me. > > g > George that?s reliability is really a function of the media . I have a apu2 running on a class 10 sd card for the last two years with no issues . I do mount it read only . Prior to that I had an inexpensive 16g m2 sata disk which had trouble and died after about 18months . This is running FreeBSD . I wonder how it would be with openbsd ; I suspect the os drivers do play a big part in how well this stuff works and sata is definitely better supported. --- Mark Saad | nonesuch at longcount.org > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sat Dec 7 11:27:15 2019 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 11:27:15 -0500 Subject: [talk] other hardware suggestions In-Reply-To: <44CE819D-B202-49AA-B15F-33DBAB1B18F8@longcount.org> References: <326e2910-0ac6-e0ad-c011-59e8dfe61c4c@ceetonetechnology.com> <44CE819D-B202-49AA-B15F-33DBAB1B18F8@longcount.org> Message-ID: <41424599-d79a-07b2-b023-9760a437cc1e@ceetonetechnology.com> On 12/7/19 11:21 AM, Mark Saad wrote: > > >> On Dec 7, 2019, at 11:16 AM, George Rosamond wrote: >> >> ? >> >>> On 12/7/19 12:07 AM, Pat McEvoy wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> On Dec 6, 2019, at 18:55, George Rosamond wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Not to distract from Patrick's thread, but I am looking at two needs >>>> right now: >>>> >>>> * some sort of well-supported amd64 hardware comparable in price and >>>> specs to the PCEngine APU2. More than one NIC is good, but I'm wary of >>>> relying on mSATA SSD's as Sony deprecated their line IIRC. m.2 seems to >>>> be the next gen of storage for that world. >>>> >>>> * similar hardware with four or more USB ports, for the role of a serial >>>> console server. I assume there are still people out there not looking to >>>> go rely on custom hardware for that role, and really assuming there are >>>> some of us not living solely in the smog. >>>> >>>> I am interested in others' experiences with the ethernet to serial >>>> dongles for remote serial... >>>> >>>> Not a fan of going the Intel NUC route, as closed hardware, locked down >>>> BIOS' and endless binaries still doesn't excite me. >>>> >>>> Also the ARM SoC game is played for me, so long as it's relying on >>>> microSD cards, and the BSD ARM64 platforms still lag behind amd64 >>>> support AFAIK. >>>> >>>> g >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>> It is still early days yet, but the Rock64 pro might fit the bill in days to come. Especially since the pro laptop has hit the market. I know some folks were buzzing about the possibilities at the last BSDCan. >>> >> >> Yes, but again it's relying on microSD and eMMC which I also had bad >> experiences with. m.2 SSD or other SSD already proved a lot more >> reliable to me. >> >> g >> > > George that?s reliability is really a function of the media . I have a apu2 running on a class 10 sd card for the last two years with no issues . I do mount it read only . Prior to that I had an inexpensive 16g m2 sata disk which had trouble and died after about 18months . > This is running FreeBSD . I wonder how it would be with openbsd ; I suspect the os drivers do play a big part in how well this stuff works and sata is definitely better supported. Well, yes, mount media as ro and you're in good shape for reliability! Humor aside, I really should considering mount with ro in a few cases... tmpfs/mfs is already in play, but ro mounts could also be worked in too. In some cases I'm using full-disk encryption, so that adds to the wear. SSD is better supported, and my past experiences with eMMC were not pleasant (OpenBSD and FreeBSD). I still feel like when it comes to SSD, "no one ever got fired for choosing Sony". g From imp at bsdimp.com Sat Dec 7 11:54:40 2019 From: imp at bsdimp.com (Warner Losh) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 09:54:40 -0700 Subject: [talk] other hardware suggestions In-Reply-To: <326e2910-0ac6-e0ad-c011-59e8dfe61c4c@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <40dc1e13-a480-5f95-977f-ac87caece7b6@ceetonetechnology.com> <326e2910-0ac6-e0ad-c011-59e8dfe61c4c@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 7, 2019, 9:19 AM George Rosamond wrote: > > > On 12/7/19 12:07 AM, Pat McEvoy wrote: > > > > > >> On Dec 6, 2019, at 18:55, George Rosamond > wrote: > >> > >> ?Not to distract from Patrick's thread, but I am looking at two needs > >> right now: > >> > >> * some sort of well-supported amd64 hardware comparable in price and > >> specs to the PCEngine APU2. More than one NIC is good, but I'm wary of > >> relying on mSATA SSD's as Sony deprecated their line IIRC. m.2 seems to > >> be the next gen of storage for that world. > >> > >> * similar hardware with four or more USB ports, for the role of a serial > >> console server. I assume there are still people out there not looking to > >> go rely on custom hardware for that role, and really assuming there are > >> some of us not living solely in the smog. > >> > >> I am interested in others' experiences with the ethernet to serial > >> dongles for remote serial... > >> > >> Not a fan of going the Intel NUC route, as closed hardware, locked down > >> BIOS' and endless binaries still doesn't excite me. > >> > >> Also the ARM SoC game is played for me, so long as it's relying on > >> microSD cards, and the BSD ARM64 platforms still lag behind amd64 > >> support AFAIK. > >> > >> g > >> > >> ______________________________________________ > > > > It is still early days yet, but the Rock64 pro might fit the bill in > days to come. Especially since the pro laptop has hit the market. I know > some folks were buzzing about the possibilities at the last BSDCan. > > > > Yes, but again it's relying on microSD and eMMC which I also had bad > experiences with. m.2 SSD or other SSD already proved a lot more > reliable to me. > The RockPro64 motherboard has a pcie slot that I have a nvme card in. The support for this is headed into FreeBSD soon. I have to boot off sd card, but the rest isn't bad after that. Like another post said, it is early days, so time will tell. It is shaping up to be a not terrible build machine with the limited milage I've put on it since I started testing the patches. Warner g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I assume there are still people out there not looking to >>>> go rely on custom hardware for that role, and really assuming there are >>>> some of us not living solely in the smog. >>>> >>>> I am interested in others' experiences with the ethernet to serial >>>> dongles for remote serial... >>>> >>>> Not a fan of going the Intel NUC route, as closed hardware, locked down >>>> BIOS' and endless binaries still doesn't excite me. >>>> >>>> Also the ARM SoC game is played for me, so long as it's relying on >>>> microSD cards, and the BSD ARM64 platforms still lag behind amd64 >>>> support AFAIK. >>>> >>>> g >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>> It is still early days yet, but the Rock64 pro might fit the bill in >> days to come. Especially since the pro laptop has hit the market. I know >> some folks were buzzing about the possibilities at the last BSDCan. >>> >> >> Yes, but again it's relying on microSD and eMMC which I also had bad >> experiences with. m.2 SSD or other SSD already proved a lot more >> reliable to me. >> > > The RockPro64 motherboard has a pcie slot that I have a nvme card in. The > support for this is headed into FreeBSD soon. I have to boot off sd card, > but the rest isn't bad after that. Like another post said, it is early > days, so time will tell. It is shaping up to be a not terrible build > machine with the limited milage I've put on it since I started testing the > patches. Ah, nice. It looks like a real option in the future, once it hits stable/release. I went heavy into arm with BeagleBones probably too early on, and thought the pace of porting was going to be quicker, so I feel a bit burned. But at this point, something that *just works* now like the amd64 platform still seems like the best option. I do think the APU is the standard still. Things like wireless are not relevant, but having a sane build and boot process matters. And I'm still wary of the long-term running of the teeny SoC 24/7/365. g From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Sat Dec 7 14:22:16 2019 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 14:22:16 -0500 Subject: [talk] other hardware suggestions Message-ID: <6760A5D9-390E-4BF8-89FE-A4D815F8F286@gmail.com> > On Dec 7, 2019, at 12:46, George Rosamond wrote: > https://store.pine64.org/?product=rockpro64-metal-desktopnas-casing This desktop Nas configuration looks like promising setup for our needs. I know it is a little bleeding edge at the moment, but it offers a number of options. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From imp at bsdimp.com Sat Dec 7 15:05:19 2019 From: imp at bsdimp.com (Warner Losh) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 13:05:19 -0700 Subject: [talk] other hardware suggestions In-Reply-To: <6760A5D9-390E-4BF8-89FE-A4D815F8F286@gmail.com> References: <6760A5D9-390E-4BF8-89FE-A4D815F8F286@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 12:22 PM Pat McEvoy wrote: > > > On Dec 7, 2019, at 12:46, George Rosamond > wrote: > > > https://store.pine64.org/?product=rockpro64-metal-desktopnas-casing > > This desktop Nas configuration looks like promising setup for our needs. > I know it is a little bleeding edge at the moment, but it offers a number > of options. > I have this case with the pinepro64. I'm using it with m.2 nvme stick, but not the SSD/HDD that it was "built" for (since I could get away with a much smaller case w/o HDD/SSD. I haven't yet decided if I need a fan in the case or not apart from the fan I got for the 3399 CPU. So far I like it, but I also made sure I got the extra beefy power supply. It's still early days, but this has been so far a better experience, once I got the right patches, than other of my small board uses which were great for embedded control, light web stuff, but terrible for development, routing or NAS duty. Warner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Dec 9 07:15:47 2019 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 07:15:47 -0500 Subject: [talk] HAMBSD Message-ID: <06cba622-a218-a004-9cc2-83ccd0ff9b8c@ceetonetechnology.com> https://hambsd.org/events/northernrst2019-hambsd.pdf From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Wed Dec 11 11:16:15 2019 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 11:16:15 -0500 Subject: [talk] Needed: Space for Jan 8th NYC*Bug Message-ID: Hey Folks, If anyone knows of a space we can use for the January 8th NYC*Bug meeting please let us know. We have a speaker ready to go, just need a place. Be well, P From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Dec 12 16:38:58 2019 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 16:38:58 -0500 Subject: [talk] Fwd: [bsdcan-announce] BSDCan 2020 call for papers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: BSDCan CFP open... -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [bsdcan-announce] BSDCan 2020 call for papers Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 15:55:29 -0500 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX BSDCan 2020 will be held 5-6 (Fri-Sat) June, 2020 in Ottawa, at the University of Ottawa. It will be preceded by two days of tutorials on 3-4 June (Wed-Thu). NOTE the change of month in 2020 back to June Also: do not miss out on the Goat BOF on Tuesday 2 June. We are now accepting proposals for talks. The talks should be designed with a very strong technical content bias. Proposals of a business development or marketing nature are not appropriate for this venue. See http://www.bsdcan.org/2020/ If you are doing something interesting with a BSD operating system, please submit a proposal. Whether you are developing a very complex system using BSD as the foundation, or helping others and have a story to tell about how BSD played a role, we want to hear about your experience. People using BSD as a platform for research are also encouraged to submit a proposal. Possible topics include: * How we manage a giant installation with respect to handling spam. * and/or sysadmin. * and/or networking. * Cool new stuff in BSD * Tell us about your project which runs on BSD * other topics (see next paragraph) >From the BSDCan website, the Archives section will allow you to review the wide variety of past BSDCan presentations as further examples. Both users and developers are encouraged to share their experiences. The schedule is: 1 Dec 2019 Proposal acceptance begins (sorry, we are 11 days late) 19 Jan 2020 Proposal acceptance ends 19 Feb 2020 Confirmation of accepted proposals See also http://www.bsdcan.org/2020/papers.php Instructions for submitting a proposal to BSDCan 2020 are available from: http://www.bsdcan.org/2020/submissions.php -- Dan Langille dan at langille.org _______________________________________________ bsdcan-announce mailing list bsdcan-announce at lists.bsdcan.org https://lists.bsdcan.org/mailman/listinfo/bsdcan-announce From anthony.elizondo at gmail.com Thu Dec 12 19:00:40 2019 From: anthony.elizondo at gmail.com (Anthony Elizondo) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 19:00:40 -0500 Subject: [talk] Needed: Space for Jan 8th NYC*Bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:18 AM Pat McEvoy wrote: > Hey Folks, > If anyone knows of a space we can use for the January 8th NYC*Bug meeting > please let us know. We have a speaker ready to go, just need a place. > Be well, > P > I can host at my work in Times Square. Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Dec 12 19:31:08 2019 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 19:31:08 -0500 Subject: [talk] Needed: Space for Jan 8th NYC*Bug In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <2a0db292-e889-994f-db97-bbc98aa531e2@ceetonetechnology.com> On 12/12/19 7:00 PM, Anthony Elizondo wrote: > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:18 AM Pat McEvoy wrote: > >> Hey Folks, >> If anyone knows of a space we can use for the January 8th NYC*Bug meeting >> please let us know. We have a speaker ready to go, just need a place. >> Be well, >> P >> > > I can host at my work in Times Square. Yes, we should consider Anthony's offer and any other. The criteria for space is this: * no RSVP necessary, as we don't want to encumber anyone, particularly last minute attendees * no $0.02 from the company offering the space But in sum, it's really needs to be an offer with no strings attached.... which we realize is always the intend of the NYC*BUG people, but sometimes not with the facilities people. g From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Thu Dec 19 10:33:17 2019 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 10:33:17 -0500 Subject: [talk] Next NYC*BUG: Jan 8th ** New Lication ** Message-ID: What is notqmail?, Amitai Schleier 2020-01-08 @ 18:45 *Chartbeat 826 Broadway, 6th Floor New York, NY 10003* * NEW LOCATION! * ? What is notqmail? It's not qmail. It's also not netqmail. We all use email, so we all use email servers. notqmail is software for running an email server. Someday, if we do a good job, some of the many articles about how and why to run your own will recommend notqmail. notqmail is a community-driven fork of qmail, beginning where netqmail left off: providing stable, compatible, small releases to which existing qmail users can safely update. notqmail also aims higher: developing an extensible, easily packaged, and increasingly useful modern mail server. Info: https://notqmail.org More NYC*Bug Info: https://www.nycbug.org/index?action=view&id=10675 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: