From jkeenan at pobox.com  Tue Aug  3 23:00:29 2021
From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 23:00:29 -0400
Subject: [talk] Aug meeting
In-Reply-To: <2D17EF39-D4BC-4BBE-A46B-F764E3A170D0@gmail.com>
References: <YQBvtKaFSeE8OEQj@leo.easyfashionclothing.com>
 <2D17EF39-D4BC-4BBE-A46B-F764E3A170D0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ecc5f6b-6a0b-3942-d8e9-1e395996ee54@pobox.com>

On 7/27/21 6:41 PM, Pat McEvoy wrote:
> 

> 
> I am glad you like the round table idea. We are overdue in testing Jitsi for our meetings. I will give it a try over the weekend and see. As for time it would be the same 18:45 EDT we have always had.
> 

/me looks at rapidly filling-up summer social calendar and asks ...

Are we go for a Wed Aug 04 1845 EDT meeting?  Will we have to pre-register?

jimk



From jondrews at fastmail.com  Wed Aug  4 12:30:00 2021
From: jondrews at fastmail.com (Jonathan Drews)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 10:30:00 -0600
Subject: [talk] Aug meeting
In-Reply-To: <9ecc5f6b-6a0b-3942-d8e9-1e395996ee54@pobox.com>
References: <YQBvtKaFSeE8OEQj@leo.easyfashionclothing.com>
 <2D17EF39-D4BC-4BBE-A46B-F764E3A170D0@gmail.com>
 <9ecc5f6b-6a0b-3942-d8e9-1e395996ee54@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <YQrAiA3iMEdSCfFR@leo.easyfashionclothing.com>

On Tue, Aug 03, 2021 at 11:00:29PM -0400, James E Keenan wrote:
> 
> /me looks at rapidly filling-up summer social calendar and asks ...
> 
> Are we go for a Wed Aug 04 1845 EDT meeting?  Will we have to pre-register?
> 

I will set up a meeting at https://meet.jit.si/ , at 1845 EDT (New
York City time). Enter the following into the left hand window, at
that site:

NYC-Bug August Meeting

and  click the "Start meeting" button. I will arrive 10 minutes early
at 1835 EDT. I'll stick around until 1900 EDT and if no one shows up,
Then I'll leave at that time.

I really don't have anything to share concerning lightning talks
because I still have a lot to learn concerning OpenBSD. That said I
could share some interesting books on computers I have been reading.

--
Kind regards,

Jonathan 



From raulcuza at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 16:16:06 2021
From: raulcuza at gmail.com (Raul Cuza)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 16:16:06 -0400
Subject: [talk] Aug meeting
In-Reply-To: <YQrAiA3iMEdSCfFR@leo.easyfashionclothing.com>
References: <YQBvtKaFSeE8OEQj@leo.easyfashionclothing.com>
 <2D17EF39-D4BC-4BBE-A46B-F764E3A170D0@gmail.com>
 <9ecc5f6b-6a0b-3942-d8e9-1e395996ee54@pobox.com>
 <YQrAiA3iMEdSCfFR@leo.easyfashionclothing.com>
Message-ID: <CAOnfn2xHE+yuNcjcVYJ6ZM32VWRDE7QfiHnfmiaaij3H41+3EA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 12:30 Jonathan Drews <jondrews at fastmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 03, 2021 at 11:00:29PM -0400, James E Keenan wrote:
> >
> > /me looks at rapidly filling-up summer social calendar and asks ...
> >
> > Are we go for a Wed Aug 04 1845 EDT meeting?  Will we have to
> pre-register?
> >
>
> I will set up a meeting at https://meet.jit.si/ , at 1845 EDT (New
> York City time). Enter the following into the left hand window, at
> that site:
>
> NYC-Bug August Meeting
>
> and  click the "Start meeting" button. I will arrive 10 minutes early
> at 1835 EDT. I'll stick around until 1900 EDT and if no one shows up,
> Then I'll leave at that time.
>
> I really don't have anything to share concerning lightning talks
> because I still have a lot to learn concerning OpenBSD. That said I
> could share some interesting books on computers I have been reading.
>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> Jonathan
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk



Has this been shared with talk? I don?t see it in my inbox.

> <http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk>
>
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From jondrews at fastmail.com  Wed Aug  4 18:20:10 2021
From: jondrews at fastmail.com (Jonathan Drews)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2021 16:20:10 -0600
Subject: [talk] Aug meeting
In-Reply-To: <CAOnfn2xHE+yuNcjcVYJ6ZM32VWRDE7QfiHnfmiaaij3H41+3EA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <YQBvtKaFSeE8OEQj@leo.easyfashionclothing.com>
 <2D17EF39-D4BC-4BBE-A46B-F764E3A170D0@gmail.com>
 <9ecc5f6b-6a0b-3942-d8e9-1e395996ee54@pobox.com>
 <YQrAiA3iMEdSCfFR@leo.easyfashionclothing.com>
 <CAOnfn2xHE+yuNcjcVYJ6ZM32VWRDE7QfiHnfmiaaij3H41+3EA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78273001-abc8-4ad4-a1d2-169578126cae@www.fastmail.com>

Yes it has been shared with talk at lists.nycbug.org .  It is in the archive. 

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, at 14:16, Raul Cuza wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 12:30 Jonathan Drews <jondrews at fastmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 03, 2021 at 11:00:29PM -0400, James E Keenan wrote:
>> > 
>> > /me looks at rapidly filling-up summer social calendar and asks ...
>> > 
>> > Are we go for a Wed Aug 04 1845 EDT meeting?  Will we have to pre-register?
>> > 
>> 
>> I will set up a meeting at https://meet.jit.si/ , at 1845 EDT (New
>> York City time). Enter the following into the left hand window, at
>> that site:
>> 
>> NYC-Bug August Meeting
>> 
>> and  click the "Start meeting" button. I will arrive 10 minutes early
>> at 1835 EDT. I'll stick around until 1900 EDT and if no one shows up,
>> Then I'll leave at that time.
>> 
>> I really don't have anything to share concerning lightning talks
>> because I still have a lot to learn concerning OpenBSD. That said I
>> could share some interesting books on computers I have been reading.
>> 
>> --
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Jonathan 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 
> Has this been shared with talk? I don?t see it in my inbox. 
 <http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk>
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From jondrews at fastmail.com  Wed Aug  4 18:25:09 2021
From: jondrews at fastmail.com (Jonathan Drews)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2021 16:25:09 -0600
Subject: [talk] August 4th Jitsi Meeting
Message-ID: <1bc51fcd-9118-4e98-8fa8-27ec1b0d902b@www.fastmail.com>

I will set up a meeting at https://meet.jit.si/ , at 1845 EDT (New
York City time). Enter the following into the left hand window, at
that site:

NYC-Bug August Meeting

and  click the "Start meeting" button. I will arrive 10 minutes early
at 1835 EDT. I'll stick around until 1900 EDT
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From ibsens at ripsbusker.no.eu.org  Wed Aug  4 18:38:49 2021
From: ibsens at ripsbusker.no.eu.org (Ibsen S Ripsbusker)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2021 22:38:49 +0000
Subject: [talk] August 4th Jitsi Meeting
In-Reply-To: <1bc51fcd-9118-4e98-8fa8-27ec1b0d902b@www.fastmail.com>
References: <1bc51fcd-9118-4e98-8fa8-27ec1b0d902b@www.fastmail.com>
Message-ID: <cbe9ab1087c96142@westvillage.nycbug.org>

https://meet.jit.si/NYC-BugAugustMeeting



From nonesuch at longcount.org  Thu Aug  5 08:02:19 2021
From: nonesuch at longcount.org (Mark Saad)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 08:02:19 -0400
Subject: [talk] IRC on iOS
Message-ID: <C480D606-E96D-4808-A8CD-EB2470BF48A9@longcount.org>


Hi talk 
    Does anyone have any recommendations for an  irc client on iOS ? 

---
Mark Saad | nonesuch at longcount.org



From njt at ayvali.org  Thu Aug  5 14:58:06 2021
From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 11:58:06 -0700
Subject: [talk] IRC on iOS
In-Reply-To: <C480D606-E96D-4808-A8CD-EB2470BF48A9@longcount.org>
References: <C480D606-E96D-4808-A8CD-EB2470BF48A9@longcount.org>
Message-ID: <YQw0vmdI0wlJX3b3@ayvali.org>

* Mark Saad <nonesuch at longcount.org> [2021-08-05 08:02:19-0400]:
> Does anyone have any recommendations for an  irc client on iOS ? 

hi Mark,

There used to be a great free iOS IRC client called Mutter. It Just
Worked(tm), and I used it for years.

Unfortunately it's not available anymore, I believe the author removed
it from the App Store because they didn't want to maintain it.

Now I use Palaver (cost: $1.99), it's created by a ZNC developer, and it
mostly works. It's definitely substandard to Mutter, especially when it
comes to fonts and such.

I've only used it a few times, I really wish I could change the display
fonts, but apart from that, no other major complaints.

Thomas



From njt at ayvali.org  Thu Aug  5 14:59:21 2021
From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 11:59:21 -0700
Subject: [talk] IRC on iOS
In-Reply-To: <YQw0vmdI0wlJX3b3@ayvali.org>
References: <C480D606-E96D-4808-A8CD-EB2470BF48A9@longcount.org>
 <YQw0vmdI0wlJX3b3@ayvali.org>
Message-ID: <YQw1CRRC0SN4Nsos@ayvali.org>

* N.J. Thomas <njt at ayvali.org> [2021-08-05 11:58:06-0700]:
> There used to be a great free iOS IRC client called Mutter.
[...]
> Unfortunately it's not available anymore, I believe the author removed
> it from the App Store because they didn't want to maintain it.

cf. this Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/irc/comments/eha8yj/what_happened_to_mutter_for_ios/



From mikel.king at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 15:20:42 2021
From: mikel.king at gmail.com (Mikel King)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 15:20:42 -0400
Subject: [talk] IRC on iOS
In-Reply-To: <YQw1CRRC0SN4Nsos@ayvali.org>
References: <C480D606-E96D-4808-A8CD-EB2470BF48A9@longcount.org>
 <YQw0vmdI0wlJX3b3@ayvali.org> <YQw1CRRC0SN4Nsos@ayvali.org>
Message-ID: <D7003159-FA93-4D1A-A739-414E142C104D@gmail.com>

I stumbled across this earlier this morning?

https://www.irchelp.org/clients/mobile/ios/

Essentially it leaves you with IRC web clients like https://kiwiirc.com/

Unfortunately I have no idea how good these are.


Cheers,
Mikel King
?



> On Aug 5, 2021, at 2:59 PM, N.J. Thomas <njt at ayvali.org> wrote:
> 
> * N.J. Thomas <njt at ayvali.org> [2021-08-05 11:58:06-0700]:
>> There used to be a great free iOS IRC client called Mutter.
> [...]
>> Unfortunately it's not available anymore, I believe the author removed
>> it from the App Store because they didn't want to maintain it.
> 
> cf. this Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/irc/comments/eha8yj/what_happened_to_mutter_for_ios/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk

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From carton at Ivy.NET  Thu Aug  5 16:06:59 2021
From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2021 16:06:59 -0400
Subject: [talk] IRC on iOS
In-Reply-To: <C480D606-E96D-4808-A8CD-EB2470BF48A9@longcount.org> (Mark Saad's
 message of "Thu, 5 Aug 2021 08:02:19 -0400")
References: <C480D606-E96D-4808-A8CD-EB2470BF48A9@longcount.org>
Message-ID: <oqv94jbqqk.fsf@castrovalva.Ivy.NET>

element.im + the matrix irc gateway is an option, but it's banned on
at least one network (hackint) because of data retention issues.

It's also glitchy, but probably glitch-competitive with most irc
arrangements that attempt to transparently synchronize multiple
clients under one nick.



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sun Aug  8 17:42:18 2021
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 17:42:18 -0400
Subject: [talk] PCEngines and chip shortages
Message-ID: <eb34417a-e98c-d738-1823-3593eac12fb8@ceetonetechnology.com>

FYI if anyone didn't notice this:

https://pcengines.ch/leadtime.htm

As everyone knows, the chip shortages are widespread including with 
consumer electronics, not to mention the continuing shortages in 
construction materials. EG, a hollow internal door normal ~$USD40 is now 
~$USD150.

This is supposed to ease up in the fall right?

g



From jondrews at fastmail.com  Sun Aug  8 18:16:51 2021
From: jondrews at fastmail.com (Jonathan Drews)
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2021 16:16:51 -0600
Subject: [talk] PCEngines and chip shortages
In-Reply-To: <eb34417a-e98c-d738-1823-3593eac12fb8@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <eb34417a-e98c-d738-1823-3593eac12fb8@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <06486081-fedf-4ea1-ac80-960a2f3a8d23@www.fastmail.com>

Some insight can be gotten from this article:
Will China Retaliate Against U.S. Chip Sanctions?

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20210716-will-china-retaliate-against-u-s-chip-sanctions
EXCERPT:

Terry Daly and Jordan Schneider write in Lawfare that over the past few years, the United States has slowly tightened restrictions around key semiconductor players in China. ?Beijing, however, has largely held its nose, content to pour billions into building its own chip ecosystem while refraining from lashing out at foreign firms,? they write.

Many analysts presumed that trade tensions pervading the semiconductor industry would improve with a change in U.S. administrations. This has proved to be unfounded.


On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 15:42, George Rosamond wrote:
> FYI if anyone didn't notice this:
> https://pcengines.ch/leadtime.htm
> 
> As everyone knows, the chip shortages are widespread including with 
> consumer electronics, not to mention the continuing shortages in 
> construction materials. EG, a hollow internal door normal ~$USD40 is now 
> ~$USD150.
> 
> This is supposed to ease up in the fall right?
> 
> g
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 



From ibsens at ripsbusker.no.eu.org  Tue Aug 17 08:41:14 2021
From: ibsens at ripsbusker.no.eu.org (Ibsen S Ripsbusker)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 05:41:14 -0700
Subject: [talk] COVID-19 testing without proprietary software
Message-ID: <ff42a0362b2e6ed8@westvillage.nycbug.org>

My great and good friends,

Every local COVID-19 testing option that I have looked at requires me
to run proprietary software if I am to take the test. Inconveniently,
the testing providers don't say this clearly, so it takes a while
to determine whether a particular provider requires me to run
proprietary software.

Not only do they expect me to run proprietary software, they mostly
require a smartphone, and at least one requires a Google account, so
I can't practically write a free software alternative.

Does anyone recommend a provider near Poughkeepsie or in midtown
Manhattan, or does anyone suggest an efficient method to finding
an ethical provider?

With appreciation,
Ibsen S Ripsbusker



From spork at bway.net  Tue Aug 17 11:44:17 2021
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 11:44:17 -0400
Subject: [talk] COVID-19 testing without proprietary software
In-Reply-To: <ff42a0362b2e6ed8@westvillage.nycbug.org>
References: <ff42a0362b2e6ed8@westvillage.nycbug.org>
Message-ID: <117D3BD0-0DAD-4705-A35D-9AED3562C6F1@bway.net>

I recently bought a few Binax Now tests and there was no software (or reporting) requirement.

Charles

> On Aug 17, 2021, at 8:41 AM, Ibsen S Ripsbusker <ibsens at ripsbusker.no.eu.org> wrote:
> 
> My great and good friends,
> 
> Every local COVID-19 testing option that I have looked at requires me
> to run proprietary software if I am to take the test. Inconveniently,
> the testing providers don't say this clearly, so it takes a while
> to determine whether a particular provider requires me to run
> proprietary software.
> 
> Not only do they expect me to run proprietary software, they mostly
> require a smartphone, and at least one requires a Google account, so
> I can't practically write a free software alternative.
> 
> Does anyone recommend a provider near Poughkeepsie or in midtown
> Manhattan, or does anyone suggest an efficient method to finding
> an ethical provider?
> 
> With appreciation,
> Ibsen S Ripsbusker
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk



From pete at nomadlogic.org  Tue Aug 17 12:15:49 2021
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 09:15:49 -0700
Subject: [talk] COVID-19 testing without proprietary software
In-Reply-To: <117D3BD0-0DAD-4705-A35D-9AED3562C6F1@bway.net>
References: <ff42a0362b2e6ed8@westvillage.nycbug.org>
 <117D3BD0-0DAD-4705-A35D-9AED3562C6F1@bway.net>
Message-ID: <e683e58a-5acf-9512-cc93-cfcbb993adbc@nomadlogic.org>



On 8/17/21 8:44 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote:
> I recently bought a few Binax Now tests and there was no software (or reporting) requirement.
me too - i also liked how i didn't need to scrape my inner cranium to 
get a sample for the test.

-pete

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
@nomadlogicLA



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Tue Aug 17 13:22:02 2021
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:22:02 -0400
Subject: [talk] Sept 8 meeting: Extreme scripting with KSH and AWK
Message-ID: <7dc15ab0-30a2-4f6e-9b16-9cd1cabcf005@ceetonetechnology.com>

Note the meeting is the SECOND Wednesday, not the first as usual.

***

Extreme scripting with KSH and AWK, G Clifford Williams
2021-09-08 @ 18:45 - Zoom

Have you ever wanted to learn AWK? I mean, really really dig in and be 
able to do things with AWK that most people didn't know was possible? If 
your answer was "YEAH!!", calm down it's just scripting not saving the 
planet or anything. If your answer was "no", tough toggle switches 
because that's what we'll be covering. We're going to push AWK to its 
limits and beyond. Then we'll do the exact same with a specific shell 
command dialect known as KSH93/Korn Shell.

Obviously time won't allow us to cover every corner of the language in 
depth but you'll definitely learn enough to get up and running on your 
own with plenty of resources to help fill in the gaps. When I say up and 
running think "...with scissors". We'll start right off with the 
powerful features using no safety nets. This goes beyond "tips and 
tricks" and directly to the extreme.

We encourage questions and even wildly incorrect opinions before the 
meeting on the talk@ mailing list and on IRC at libera.net #nycbug.

For Zoom meeting details, email to rsvp AT lists.nycbug.org, and details 
will be sent on the day of the meeting. Q&A will be via IRC on 
libera.chat, channel #nycbug



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Tue Aug 17 13:32:54 2021
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:32:54 -0400
Subject: [talk] COVID-19 testing without proprietary software
In-Reply-To: <e683e58a-5acf-9512-cc93-cfcbb993adbc@nomadlogic.org>
References: <ff42a0362b2e6ed8@westvillage.nycbug.org>
 <117D3BD0-0DAD-4705-A35D-9AED3562C6F1@bway.net>
 <e683e58a-5acf-9512-cc93-cfcbb993adbc@nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <15a2fded-660f-2276-0065-441956e23ee0@ceetonetechnology.com>

On 8/17/21 12:15 PM, Pete Wright wrote:
> 
> 
> On 8/17/21 8:44 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote:
>> I recently bought a few Binax Now tests and there was no software (or 
>> reporting) requirement.
> me too - i also liked how i didn't need to scrape my inner cranium to 
> get a sample for the test.

Oh, I think you're going to miss having your brain scrapped through your 
nose with a wooden QTip.

I wasn't aware of the Binax, but as is the "rule" with open source, is 
it supported as legit by those who require tests?

Honestly, when it comes to healthcare, it seems the more it's regulated 
for privacy, the less privacy there is.

I mean:

http://mirrors.nycbug.org/pub/presentations/20210707-anonymity/mgp00034.html

I also wrote a blog post related for $work, but am not posting any $work 
URLs here. Hit me offlist if you want a good example of how crappy the 
picture is.

The punch line is this: you need *my* DoB to get someone a gift 
certificate for a facial, but it's okay since that Windows computer on 
your desk is "secure" and you're regulated by HIPAA?

g



From pete at nomadlogic.org  Tue Aug 17 13:47:36 2021
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 10:47:36 -0700
Subject: [talk] COVID-19 testing without proprietary software
In-Reply-To: <15a2fded-660f-2276-0065-441956e23ee0@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <ff42a0362b2e6ed8@westvillage.nycbug.org>
 <117D3BD0-0DAD-4705-A35D-9AED3562C6F1@bway.net>
 <e683e58a-5acf-9512-cc93-cfcbb993adbc@nomadlogic.org>
 <15a2fded-660f-2276-0065-441956e23ee0@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <d3d26ccd-1677-5b30-f70d-472e7ff2e917@nomadlogic.org>



On 8/17/21 10:32 AM, George Rosamond wrote:
> On 8/17/21 12:15 PM, Pete Wright wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 8/17/21 8:44 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote:
>>> I recently bought a few Binax Now tests and there was no software 
>>> (or reporting) requirement.
>> me too - i also liked how i didn't need to scrape my inner cranium to 
>> get a sample for the test.
>
> Oh, I think you're going to miss having your brain scrapped through 
> your nose with a wooden QTip.
>
> I wasn't aware of the Binax, but as is the "rule" with open source, is 
> it supported as legit by those who require tests?

it is def not approved for use to prove you are covid-19 free for 
traveling for example, but based on what i read on the internet it seems 
like a pretty reliable canary.? my kid was feeling sick so we all took 
the test and it came back negative, our plan was if it was positive we'd 
then reach out to our Dr. and start self isolating.

we are pretty paranoid in general (never stopped wearing masks, etc.) - 
but it did give us a bit of piece of mind.

>
> Honestly, when it comes to healthcare, it seems the more it's 
> regulated for privacy, the less privacy there is.
>
> I mean:
>
> http://mirrors.nycbug.org/pub/presentations/20210707-anonymity/mgp00034.html 
>
>
> I also wrote a blog post related for $work, but am not posting any 
> $work URLs here. Hit me offlist if you want a good example of how 
> crappy the picture is.
>
> The punch line is this: you need *my* DoB to get someone a gift 
> certificate for a facial, but it's okay since that Windows computer on 
> your desk is "secure" and you're regulated by HIPAA?
>

that's "funny" - i'm shocked major advertising companies would game 
systems like this :)? i'm actually working through a HIPAA audit now and 
I'm often torn between "this just seems like a generally good security 
practice" and "well this is just a public works project to keep people 
like me employed".

-p

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
@nomadlogicLA



From raulcuza at gmail.com  Tue Aug 17 15:00:00 2021
From: raulcuza at gmail.com (Raul Cuza)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:00:00 -0400
Subject: [talk] COVID-19 testing without proprietary software
In-Reply-To: <d3d26ccd-1677-5b30-f70d-472e7ff2e917@nomadlogic.org>
References: <ff42a0362b2e6ed8@westvillage.nycbug.org>
 <117D3BD0-0DAD-4705-A35D-9AED3562C6F1@bway.net>
 <e683e58a-5acf-9512-cc93-cfcbb993adbc@nomadlogic.org>
 <15a2fded-660f-2276-0065-441956e23ee0@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <d3d26ccd-1677-5b30-f70d-472e7ff2e917@nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <CAOnfn2ybOy0XhvUxNcr0ZhDqOX1TXH5i2KzwCm0oK7UjAvzr0g@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:48 PM Pete Wright <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:
> On 8/17/21 10:32 AM, George Rosamond wrote:
> > On 8/17/21 12:15 PM, Pete Wright wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/17/21 8:44 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote:
> >>> I recently bought a few Binax Now tests and there was no software
> >>> (or reporting) requirement.
> >> me too - i also liked how i didn't need to scrape my inner cranium to
> >> get a sample for the test.
> >
> > Oh, I think you're going to miss having your brain scrapped through
> > your nose with a wooden QTip.
> >
> > I wasn't aware of the Binax, but as is the "rule" with open source, is
> > it supported as legit by those who require tests?
>
> it is def not approved for use to prove you are covid-19 free for
> traveling for example, but based on what i read on the internet it seems
> like a pretty reliable canary.  my kid was feeling sick so we all took
> the test and it came back negative, our plan was if it was positive we'd
> then reach out to our Dr. and start self isolating.
>
> we are pretty paranoid in general (never stopped wearing masks, etc.) -
> but it did give us a bit of piece of mind.
>
> >
> > Honestly, when it comes to healthcare, it seems the more it's
> > regulated for privacy, the less privacy there is.
> >
> > I mean:
> >
> > http://mirrors.nycbug.org/pub/presentations/20210707-anonymity/mgp00034.html
> >
> >
> > I also wrote a blog post related for $work, but am not posting any
> > $work URLs here. Hit me offlist if you want a good example of how
> > crappy the picture is.
> >
> > The punch line is this: you need *my* DoB to get someone a gift
> > certificate for a facial, but it's okay since that Windows computer on
> > your desk is "secure" and you're regulated by HIPAA?
> >
>
> that's "funny" - i'm shocked major advertising companies would game
> systems like this :)  i'm actually working through a HIPAA audit now and
> I'm often torn between "this just seems like a generally good security
> practice" and "well this is just a public works project to keep people
> like me employed".
>
> -p
>
> --
> Pete Wright
> pete at nomadlogic.org
> @nomadlogicLA

I took a test on the streets of brooklyn. All I had to do was provide
a valid email address. All the other info I gave them "had typos" in
it. I was also provided a unique code which I could use to go to a web
site. There I had to enter some of the info as I entered it on the
form.

I am not sure if this process ran proprietary software or not. I know
I was not required to run anything except an email client or web
browser to get my results.

- Ra?l



From jkeenan at pobox.com  Tue Aug 17 15:08:56 2021
From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:08:56 -0400
Subject: [talk] RSVP Sept 08 2021
Message-ID: <cfdb696a-b2c5-7626-95da-48d16ee58eba@pobox.com>

RSVP



From ibsens at ripsbusker.no.eu.org  Tue Aug 17 15:53:13 2021
From: ibsens at ripsbusker.no.eu.org (Ibsen S Ripsbusker)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 12:53:13 -0700
Subject: [talk] COVID-19 testing without proprietary software
In-Reply-To: <CAOnfn2ybOy0XhvUxNcr0ZhDqOX1TXH5i2KzwCm0oK7UjAvzr0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff42a0362b2e6ed8@westvillage.nycbug.org>
 <117D3BD0-0DAD-4705-A35D-9AED3562C6F1@bway.net>
 <e683e58a-5acf-9512-cc93-cfcbb993adbc@nomadlogic.org>
 <15a2fded-660f-2276-0065-441956e23ee0@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <d3d26ccd-1677-5b30-f70d-472e7ff2e917@nomadlogic.org>
 <CAOnfn2ybOy0XhvUxNcr0ZhDqOX1TXH5i2KzwCm0oK7UjAvzr0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1b888f50a09f4423@westvillage.nycbug.org>

My great and good friends,

I was excited to learn that BinaxNOW doesn't require a smart
phone, since some other at-home tests do. Unfortunately, that won't
be accepted by the place I need the test for (a doctor's office).

Since you might be interested in my other discoveries, I include
below some problems with other places.

Rite Aid runs proprietary software and requires a Google account
https://baseline.google.com/enroll/account/covid19mtch

My local pharmacy runs proprietary software on a smartphone, only.
Furthermore, it's apparently hard to use; I requested that my assistant
register for me on her smartphone, and even she had trouble.
https://myrx.io/

CVS runs proprietary JavaScript. A separate inconvenience is that
they require a "vehicle".
https://www.cvs.com/minuteclinic/covid-19-testing/covid-scheduler?symptoms=covid

Walgreens runs proprietary JavaScript on the website, and I couldn't
find a telephone number to see if it was possible to schedule
by telephone.

CityMD does not require proprietary software per se, but it requires
that you receive text messages when there is a long wait, because
this is how they manage the waitlist. They don't accept appointments.

I tried pharmacies first because most doctor's offices don't have it, but
I might wind in the end going to a doctor's office.

With distinguished salutations,
Ibsen



From steve.b at osfda.org  Wed Aug 18 00:51:58 2021
From: steve.b at osfda.org (steve.b at osfda.org)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 00:51:58 -0400
Subject: [talk] COVID-19 testing without proprietary software
In-Reply-To: <1b888f50a09f4423@westvillage.nycbug.org>
References: <ff42a0362b2e6ed8@westvillage.nycbug.org>
 <117D3BD0-0DAD-4705-A35D-9AED3562C6F1@bway.net>
 <e683e58a-5acf-9512-cc93-cfcbb993adbc@nomadlogic.org>
 <15a2fded-660f-2276-0065-441956e23ee0@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <d3d26ccd-1677-5b30-f70d-472e7ff2e917@nomadlogic.org>
 <CAOnfn2ybOy0XhvUxNcr0ZhDqOX1TXH5i2KzwCm0oK7UjAvzr0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <1b888f50a09f4423@westvillage.nycbug.org>
Message-ID: <892ab019-0138-b0e9-3f81-e255eae63bfc@osfda.org>

Hopefully CityMD's texts have a link with a browser login?

Otherwise that would be a HIPAA violation
(seeing as how fake celltowers can be mail-ordered these days...)

FYI: I believe that testing at a macro level is helpful; and it's also 
helpful if you test positive at the micro level.
But a negative test at the micro level in my book is effectively a null 
hypothesis...

On 8/17/2021 3:53 PM, Ibsen S Ripsbusker wrote:
> My great and good friends,
>
> I was excited to learn that BinaxNOW doesn't require a smart
> phone, since some other at-home tests do. Unfortunately, that won't
> be accepted by the place I need the test for (a doctor's office).
>
> Since you might be interested in my other discoveries, I include
> below some problems with other places.
>
> Rite Aid runs proprietary software and requires a Google account
> https://baseline.google.com/enroll/account/covid19mtch
>
> My local pharmacy runs proprietary software on a smartphone, only.
> Furthermore, it's apparently hard to use; I requested that my assistant
> register for me on her smartphone, and even she had trouble.
> https://myrx.io/
>
> CVS runs proprietary JavaScript. A separate inconvenience is that
> they require a "vehicle".
> https://www.cvs.com/minuteclinic/covid-19-testing/covid-scheduler?symptoms=covid
>
> Walgreens runs proprietary JavaScript on the website, and I couldn't
> find a telephone number to see if it was possible to schedule
> by telephone.
>
> CityMD does not require proprietary software per se, but it requires
> that you receive text messages when there is a long wait, because
> this is how they manage the waitlist. They don't accept appointments.
>
> I tried pharmacies first because most doctor's offices don't have it, but
> I might wind in the end going to a doctor's office.
>
> With distinguished salutations,
> Ibsen
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk



From steve.b at osfda.org  Wed Aug 18 01:22:07 2021
From: steve.b at osfda.org (steve.b at osfda.org)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 01:22:07 -0400
Subject: [talk] django+OpenBSD...
In-Reply-To: <a0548dac-d6fa-8b6e-8beb-8b1e7d603f0a@gmail.com>
References: <a0548dac-d6fa-8b6e-8beb-8b1e7d603f0a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2dd2dddd-da97-f0ba-45d1-c3edf3d85ac7@osfda.org>

Does anyone know of a ready-to-use script install (or collection of 
ports) that sets up the following for OpenBSD, 1-2-3?

  * postgres 13

  * python3 (>=.6)

  * cython

  * django (>=2.2)

  * nginx (>=1.14)

  * optionally: aiohttp (which supports graphql and is also a performant
    REST API -_if_ you do it right...)

So nothing too <joke>prehistoric</joke>

[YES: I CAN DO IT MYSELF. But I have deadlines, I have to pay for a 
laptop upgrade and rent and; and my client is not into subsidizing such 
an implementation...]

django+postgres [13] are pretty popular; so I can't imagine that I would 
be the only one interested in this...

PS For those who are performance freaks and are not into python: I 
interleave my django with cython standalone binaries...



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From steve.b at osfda.org  Wed Aug 18 01:32:26 2021
From: steve.b at osfda.org (steve.b at osfda.org)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 01:32:26 -0400
Subject: [talk] PS: django+OpenBSD...
In-Reply-To: <2dd2dddd-da97-f0ba-45d1-c3edf3d85ac7@osfda.org>
References: <a0548dac-d6fa-8b6e-8beb-8b1e7d603f0a@gmail.com>
 <2dd2dddd-da97-f0ba-45d1-c3edf3d85ac7@osfda.org>
Message-ID: <870373b4-abe3-4e1d-1764-03b4cc8425ea@osfda.org>

THOUGH: I would be willing to pitch in at an nycbug-sponsored hackathon,
if an OpenBSDer were willing to provide time-saving guidance.

I'm guessing that laundry list would take at least 5 hours, if not a 
long "day"...

On 8/18/2021 1:22 AM, steve.b at osfda.org wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a ready-to-use script install (or collection of 
> ports) that sets up the following for OpenBSD, 1-2-3?
>
>   * postgres 13
>
>   * python3 (>=.6)
>
>   * cython
>
>   * django (>=2.2)
>
>   * nginx (>=1.14)
>
>   * optionally: aiohttp (which supports graphql and is also a
>     performant REST API -_if_ you do it right...)
>
> So nothing too <joke>prehistoric</joke>
>
> [YES: I CAN DO IT MYSELF. But I have deadlines, I have to pay for a 
> laptop upgrade and rent and; and my client is not into subsidizing 
> such an implementation...]
>
> django+postgres [13] are pretty popular; so I can't imagine that I 
> would be the only one interested in this...
>
> PS For those who are performance freaks and are not into python: I 
> interleave my django with cython standalone binaries...
>
>
>
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From jondrews at fastmail.com  Thu Aug 19 17:52:08 2021
From: jondrews at fastmail.com (Jonathan Drews)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 15:52:08 -0600
Subject: [talk] Hansteen presentation this Sunday
Message-ID: <YR7SiBz0WA47wLrE@leo.easyfashionclothing.com>

Guys and Gals:

 This Sunday Peter Hansteen will give a presentaion on OpenBSD:

"Recent and not so recent changes in OpenBSD that make
life better"

The talk will be given on Sunday, August 22nd, at 1300
Detroit Michigan time. I will email the link for Jitsi on Saturday
morning to this list.

--
Kind regards,
Jonathan



From jondrews at fastmail.com  Sat Aug 21 14:36:11 2021
From: jondrews at fastmail.com (Jonathan Drews)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 12:36:11 -0600
Subject: [talk] Link for Hansteen talk
Message-ID: <YSFHmwn53q3EsHaK@leo.easyfashionclothing.com>

Hi Guys & Gals:

This Sunday Peter Hansteen will give a presentaion on OpenBSD:

"Recent and not so recent changes in OpenBSD that make
life better"

The presentation begins at 1300 hours,New York City time. The link
for joining is

https://meet.jit.si/SEMI-BUGOpenBSDTalkBSDly

--
Regards,

Jonathan



From jkeenan at pobox.com  Tue Aug 24 10:31:29 2021
From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 10:31:29 -0400
Subject: [talk] freebsd-ports mailing list: how to change subscription
 preferences
Message-ID: <ecb81a01-16ee-b394-51a2-7a515dc08a3e@pobox.com>

At some point in recent times the FreeBSD ports mailing list changed 
from mailman to mmlmj.  As a result, the list is no longer cited at:

https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo

... which is annoying.

But what really annoys me today is that I can no longer find 
instructions as to how to change my subscription options.  Heretofore 
I've subscribed in Digest mode, switching to regular mode only when I 
want to make a post to the list.  However, when I find my way to this page:

https://lists.freebsd.org/subscription/freebsd-ports

... I don't see any option to change one's subscription preferences.  In 
the past, mailman had a page with many options.  This has apparently 
vanished with mmlmj.

Does anyone know how to modify one's subscription to ports@?

Thank you very much.
Jim Keenan



From ahpook at mitnal.com  Tue Aug 24 16:46:37 2021
From: ahpook at mitnal.com (Ah Pook)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 16:46:37 -0400
Subject: [talk] freebsd-ports mailing list: how to change subscription
 preferences
In-Reply-To: <ecb81a01-16ee-b394-51a2-7a515dc08a3e@pobox.com>
References: <ecb81a01-16ee-b394-51a2-7a515dc08a3e@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <3fb917a5-1a62-11b0-17a3-b9eb6aeabf25@strawandfrost.com>

On 8/24/21 10:31 AM, James E Keenan wrote:
> Does anyone know how to modify one's subscription to ports@?

I think with mlmmj you have to explicitly subscribe to the digest 
version of the list (freebsd-ports+subscribe-digest at freebsd.org) and 
unsub from the normal one.



From nikolai at fetissov.org  Mon Aug 30 12:28:36 2021
From: nikolai at fetissov.org (NIkolai Fetissov)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 12:28:36 -0400
Subject: [talk] Link for Hansteen talk
In-Reply-To: <YSFHmwn53q3EsHaK@leo.easyfashionclothing.com>
References: <YSFHmwn53q3EsHaK@leo.easyfashionclothing.com>
Message-ID: <CAOXkND6y0naDWMUTTioBPcQpYjGDcT7QhHTBtvato-f7C5vmEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

Has this been recorded in any way?
Missed the original.

Cheers,
--
 Nikolai


On Sat, Aug 21, 2021, 14:37 Jonathan Drews <jondrews at fastmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Guys & Gals:
>
> This Sunday Peter Hansteen will give a presentaion on OpenBSD:
>
> "Recent and not so recent changes in OpenBSD that make
> life better"
>
> The presentation begins at 1300 hours,New York City time. The link
> for joining is
>
> https://meet.jit.si/SEMI-BUGOpenBSDTalkBSDly
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Jonathan
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org:8080/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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