From lists at stringsutils.com Tue Jan 9 23:53:41 2007 From: lists at stringsutils.com (Francisco Reyes) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 23:53:41 -0500 Subject: [jobs] Network Engineer /System Administrator Message-ID: Posting for a company I do work for. Although the position below is preferably full time I believe they would consider contract work. Please reply with an introduction, resume and salary requirements. ------------------ Email Hosting and Archiving provider seeks detail oriented individuals with a sharp and quick troubleshooting mind that is able to work independently and as a part of a team in "a fast" -paced and demanding environment. Network Engineer /System Administrator Responsibilities: - Plan and Implement network infrastructure resilience to multiple failures for multi-home and multi-locations - Develop and document WAN/LAN troubleshooting and installation policies and procedures. - Plan and implement networking monitoring and alert systems. - Research, negotiate and select vendors solutions - Installation and management of FreeBSD systems with in-house and open source developed software. Requirements: * Computer Science degree or equivalent * 1+ years of experience working in large network environment * Good knowledge of TCP/IP fundamentals and protocols * Experience with configuration and troubleshooting of Cisco network gears * Experience with configuration and troubleshooting of load balancers * Good understanding of LAN networking technologies (such as RIP, BGP, OSPF, HSRP, EIGRP and Spanning-Tree) * Excellent written and oral communication skills * Excellent troubleshooting and creative problem-solving abilities * Experience with FreeBSD administration. * Experience with open source applications (Apache, MySQL etc) is a plus * Network certifications (such as CCNA, CCNP) is preferred but not required From lists at stringsutils.com Tue Jan 9 23:54:35 2007 From: lists at stringsutils.com (Francisco Reyes) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 23:54:35 -0500 Subject: [jobs] Senior postfix consultant Message-ID: Posting for a company I do work for. On your reply please include cover letter, resume and rates. ------------------------- Email Hosting and Archiving provider seeks senior Postfix consultant to improve existing installations in a FreeBSD environment. Skills needed: * Spamassasin or some other anti-spam technologies * Rate control experience (ie with a policy server) * Experience on large postfix setups with virtual domains Telecommuting an option, although someone local to NYC (or that can at least have an initial meeting in NYC) preferred. 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For more information, please visit our website: http://www.pencom.com SUBSCRIBE TO OUR eNEWSLETTER To keep up to date with exciting new job opportunities, job market trends, and industry news, we'd like to invite you to subscribe to our mailing list. Send an email to: Majordomo at pencom.com, with this text in the mail message body: subscribe programmingjobs. From attroppa at yahoo.com Thu Jan 18 08:20:34 2007 From: attroppa at yahoo.com (Evgueni Tzvetanov) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:20:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make a buck of our community Message-ID: <843685.60973.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi all, There are some people who would not respect the privacy of the group and be so cynical to post in a FREE community a recruiter message and try to make a buck out of it. Let's BAN the bastards! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From dan at langille.org Thu Jan 18 08:38:58 2007 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:38:58 -0500 Subject: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make a buck of our community In-Reply-To: <843685.60973.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <843685.60973.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45AF3222.10475.A90F24F0@dan.langille.org> On 18 Jan 2007 at 5:20, Evgueni Tzvetanov wrote: > Hi all, > > There are some people who would not respect the > privacy of the group and be so cynical to post in a > FREE community a recruiter message and try to make a > buck out of it. > > Let's BAN the bastards! Please don't. The original poster seems to ignore the fact that it would be a person in the community that gets the job. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ From mspitzer at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 09:08:12 2007 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:08:12 -0500 Subject: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make a buck of our community In-Reply-To: <843685.60973.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <843685.60973.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8c50a3c30701180608l49c36d1eu90f8f4507648e8b6@mail.gmail.com> On 1/18/07, Evgueni Tzvetanov wrote: > Hi all, > > There are some people who would not respect the > privacy of the group and be so cynical to post in a > FREE community a recruiter message and try to make a > buck out of it. > Thats right punish the evil capitolists, hmm that was tried and it really did not work out. All the recruter is doing is trying to make money by trying to put money in someones pocket and if you are rich or happy on wellfare I can see how this would be a horrible inconvienience to you. But since I am neither I am happy to get offered things, as long as it is kept reasonable, that I may be interested in. And to top it off you are bitching about someone posting a job on a job posting list. And that is just stupid as posting jobs, so people can find work, is the *sole purpose of this list*. marc -- Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. Albert Camus From kevin at penguinnetwerx.net Thu Jan 18 09:22:40 2007 From: kevin at penguinnetwerx.net (Kevin Reiter) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:22:40 -0500 Subject: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make a buck of our community In-Reply-To: <843685.60973.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <843685.60973.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45AF82B0.5040408@penguinnetwerx.net> Evgueni Tzvetanov wrote: > Hi all, > > There are some people who would not respect the > privacy of the group and be so cynical to post in a > FREE community a recruiter message and try to make a > buck out of it. Respect the privacy of the group? The group members who are looking for work who want to receive job postings, you mean? I'd rather get work and someone make money off it than to be unemployed. Get a grip... Every time I hear this from someone who voluntarily signs up to receive posts from a group, and actually receives posts on a topic-related post or issue, I want to choke the shit out of them for stupidity. > Let's BAN the bastards! How about we put a ban on idiotic posts from people who don't have a clue.. If you don't want to read the thing, DELETE IT AND SHUT YER SOUPSUCKER. From okan at demirmen.com Thu Jan 18 09:32:15 2007 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:32:15 -0500 Subject: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make a buck of our community In-Reply-To: <843685.60973.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <843685.60973.qm@web38110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070118143215.GI31979@clam.khaoz.org> On Thu 2007.01.18 at 05:20 -0800, Evgueni Tzvetanov wrote: > Hi all, > > There are some people who would not respect the > privacy of the group and be so cynical to post in a > FREE community a recruiter message and try to make a > buck out of it. > > Let's BAN the bastards! I'll go along with Dan and Marc here. If I may ask your opinion, what purpose should this list serve? From celamrani at saluscg.com Thu Jan 18 09:54:44 2007 From: celamrani at saluscg.com (Claudia El Amrani) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:54:44 -0500 Subject: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make a buck of our community In-Reply-To: <45AF3222.10475.A90F24F0@dan.langille.org> Message-ID: <003801c73b10$96f5dfc0$c8a1a8c0@SALUS> I am a recruiter and here is my response to that horrible, mean and nasty email...not to mention an email that made absolutely NO SENSE WHATSOEVER! I have a Software Developer position-PERMANENT with a financial software company, located downtown, Manhattan. This is a small but, well established and stable company that develops trust accounting software for the financial services industry. JOB DESCRIPTION Position Software Developer - C++ / XSL / SQL / C# Position Description Position is responsible for design, development, and support of a multi-tier software trust accounting system in a team software development environment. Qualifications * Visual C++, C# , C++ * ADO.NET * COM+ / Microsoft Transaction Server * XML and XSLT (Microsoft XML SDK 4) * SQL Server 2000 / ADO * JScript / DHTML / HTML * IIS / ASP development * Optimization, performance analysis, and tuning * Debugging and troubleshooting * 2-5 years experience Education Bachelors Degree in business or computer science. Claudia El Amrani Salus Consulting Group, LLC 525 Washington Blvd., 24th Floor Jersey City, N.J. 07310 Phone: 201-876-0661 Fax: 201-876-0144 Email: celamrani at saluscg.com -----Original Message----- From: jobs-bounces at lists.nycbug.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Dan Langille Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:39 AM To: jobs at lists.nycbug.org Subject: Re: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make a buck of our community On 18 Jan 2007 at 5:20, Evgueni Tzvetanov wrote: > Hi all, > > There are some people who would not respect the privacy of the group > and be so cynical to post in a FREE community a recruiter message and > try to make a buck out of it. > > Let's BAN the bastards! Please don't. The original poster seems to ignore the fact that it would be a person in the community that gets the job. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ _______________________________________________ jobs mailing list jobs at lists.nycbug.org http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Jan 18 10:24:51 2007 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George R.) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:24:51 -0500 Subject: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make a buck of our community In-Reply-To: <003801c73b10$96f5dfc0$c8a1a8c0@SALUS> References: <003801c73b10$96f5dfc0$c8a1a8c0@SALUS> Message-ID: <45AF9143.5000406@ceetonetechnology.com> Claudia El Amrani wrote: > I am a recruiter and here is my response to that horrible, mean and nasty > email...not to mention an email that made absolutely NO SENSE WHATSOEVER! Thanks for the post Claudia. . . What is going on with this thread? There are certainly people who take advantage of user group job lists, but I'm a bit confused as to how this thread began. Frankly, the tone this evolved to is completely inappropriate. . . we have successfully dealt with someone in the past fishing for resumes, and that was done in coordination with NYPHP and NYLUG. However, if anyone has concerns about a specific posting, please email me and okan offlist as list masters to deal with it. . . There are legitimate jobs being posted here, from what the average reader can tell, but let's not make this the live at the witch trials list. George From mspitzer at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 10:55:45 2007 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 10:55:45 -0500 Subject: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make a buck of our community In-Reply-To: <003801c73b10$96f5dfc0$c8a1a8c0@SALUS> References: <45AF3222.10475.A90F24F0@dan.langille.org> <003801c73b10$96f5dfc0$c8a1a8c0@SALUS> Message-ID: <8c50a3c30701180755m63c075e2g575c566f5f60e85c@mail.gmail.com> you fight dirty, well done. marc On 1/18/07, Claudia El Amrani wrote: > I am a recruiter and here is my response to that horrible, mean and nasty > email...not to mention an email that made absolutely NO SENSE WHATSOEVER! > > I have a Software Developer position-PERMANENT with a financial software > company, located downtown, Manhattan. This is a small but, well established > and stable company that develops trust accounting software for the financial > services industry. > > JOB DESCRIPTION > Position > Software Developer - C++ / XSL / SQL / C# > Position Description > Position is responsible for design, development, and support of a multi-tier > software trust accounting system in a team software development environment. > > Qualifications > * Visual C++, C# , C++ > * ADO.NET > * COM+ / Microsoft Transaction Server > * XML and XSLT (Microsoft XML SDK 4) > * SQL Server 2000 / ADO > * JScript / DHTML / HTML > * IIS / ASP development > * Optimization, performance analysis, and tuning > * Debugging and troubleshooting > * 2-5 years experience > Education > Bachelors Degree in business or computer science. > > > > Claudia El Amrani > Salus Consulting Group, LLC > 525 Washington Blvd., 24th Floor > Jersey City, N.J. 07310 > Phone: 201-876-0661 > Fax: 201-876-0144 > Email: celamrani at saluscg.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jobs-bounces at lists.nycbug.org [mailto:jobs-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] > On Behalf Of Dan Langille > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:39 AM > To: jobs at lists.nycbug.org > Subject: Re: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make a buck of our community > > On 18 Jan 2007 at 5:20, Evgueni Tzvetanov wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > There are some people who would not respect the privacy of the group > > and be so cynical to post in a FREE community a recruiter message and > > try to make a buck out of it. > > > > Let's BAN the bastards! > > Please don't. > > The original poster seems to ignore the fact that it would be a person in > the community that gets the job. > > -- > Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: > http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php > PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > jobs mailing list > jobs at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs > > _______________________________________________ > jobs mailing list > jobs at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs > -- Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. Albert Camus From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Jan 18 11:03:01 2007 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George R.) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:03:01 -0500 Subject: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make a buck of our community In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30701180755m63c075e2g575c566f5f60e85c@mail.gmail.com> References: <45AF3222.10475.A90F24F0@dan.langille.org> <003801c73b10$96f5dfc0$c8a1a8c0@SALUS> <8c50a3c30701180755m63c075e2g575c566f5f60e85c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45AF9A35.3010102@ceetonetechnology.com> Marc Spitzer wrote: > you fight dirty, well done. This thread is clearly dead. Drop it. g From attroppa at yahoo.com Fri Jan 19 08:19:24 2007 From: attroppa at yahoo.com (Evgueni Tzvetanov) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 05:19:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make a buck of our community In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30701180755m63c075e2g575c566f5f60e85c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <614260.12233.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Marc Spitzer wrote: > you fight dirty, well done. > > marc > > On 1/18/07, Claudia El Amrani > wrote: > > I am a recruiter and here is my response to that > horrible, mean and nasty > > email...not to mention an email that made > absolutely NO SENSE WHATSOEVER! > > > > I have a Software Developer position-PERMANENT > with a financial software > > company, located downtown, Manhattan. This is a > small but, well established > > and stable company that develops trust accounting > software for the financial > > services industry. > > > > JOB DESCRIPTION > > Position > > Software Developer - C++ / XSL / SQL / C# > > Position Description > > Position is responsible for design, development, > and support of a multi-tier > > software trust accounting system in a team > software development environment. > > > > Qualifications > > * Visual C++, C# , C++ > > * ADO.NET > > * COM+ / Microsoft Transaction Server > > * XML and XSLT (Microsoft XML SDK 4) > > * SQL Server 2000 / ADO > > * JScript / DHTML / HTML > > * IIS / ASP development > > * Optimization, performance analysis, and tuning > > * Debugging and troubleshooting > > * 2-5 years experience > > Education > > Bachelors Degree in business or computer science. > > > > > > > > Claudia El Amrani > > Salus Consulting Group, LLC > > 525 Washington Blvd., 24th Floor > > Jersey City, N.J. 07310 > > Phone: 201-876-0661 > > Fax: 201-876-0144 > > Email: celamrani at saluscg.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jobs-bounces at lists.nycbug.org > [mailto:jobs-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] > > On Behalf Of Dan Langille > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:39 AM > > To: jobs at lists.nycbug.org > > Subject: Re: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make > a buck of our community > > > > On 18 Jan 2007 at 5:20, Evgueni Tzvetanov wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > There are some people who would not respect the > privacy of the group > > > and be so cynical to post in a FREE community a > recruiter message and > > > try to make a buck out of it. > > > > > > Let's BAN the bastards! > > > > Please don't. > > > > The original poster seems to ignore the fact that > it would be a person in > > the community that gets the job. > > > > -- > > Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work > my resume: > > http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php > > PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - > http://www.pgcon.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > jobs mailing list > > jobs at lists.nycbug.org > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > jobs mailing list > > jobs at lists.nycbug.org > > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs > > > > > -- > Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. > Albert Camus > _______________________________________________ > jobs mailing list > jobs at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs > Marc, So we are fighting now? And dirty? What the hell is this? A kindergarten? I don't want to fight. This is not WWF or any other fake fighting arena... I just exercised my right to speak freely. I had a point, I shared it, you spitted on me. That was it. I don't care about the opinions of any recruiter. They have the right to defend their bread I can listen, but I don't care. This message was about principals. But you lead your parade, you say what to be, so you can take me out of this list if you want. This would be called totalitarian system where I came from more than a decade ago. To Claudia: You will never understand this email, because you will never be part of a community like this... Frankly I am not sure I want to be either, if it turns into this commercial direction... Best regards! ET ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Jan 19 08:54:36 2007 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 08:54:36 -0500 Subject: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make a buck of our community In-Reply-To: <614260.12233.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <614260.12233.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45B0CD9C.9040601@ceetonetechnology.com> Top Post, so please excuse: next post on this dead thread earns a removal from the list. how much clearer could i have made that this thread is dead and officially closed by me? g Evgueni Tzvetanov wrote: > --- Marc Spitzer wrote: > >> you fight dirty, well done. >> >> marc >> >> On 1/18/07, Claudia El Amrani >> wrote: >>> I am a recruiter and here is my response to that >> horrible, mean and nasty >>> email...not to mention an email that made >> absolutely NO SENSE WHATSOEVER! >>> I have a Software Developer position-PERMANENT >> with a financial software >>> company, located downtown, Manhattan. This is a >> small but, well established >>> and stable company that develops trust accounting >> software for the financial >>> services industry. >>> >>> JOB DESCRIPTION >>> Position >>> Software Developer - C++ / XSL / SQL / C# >>> Position Description >>> Position is responsible for design, development, >> and support of a multi-tier >>> software trust accounting system in a team >> software development environment. >>> Qualifications >>> * Visual C++, C# , C++ >>> * ADO.NET >>> * COM+ / Microsoft Transaction Server >>> * XML and XSLT (Microsoft XML SDK 4) >>> * SQL Server 2000 / ADO >>> * JScript / DHTML / HTML >>> * IIS / ASP development >>> * Optimization, performance analysis, and tuning >>> * Debugging and troubleshooting >>> * 2-5 years experience >>> Education >>> Bachelors Degree in business or computer science. >>> >>> >>> >>> Claudia El Amrani >>> Salus Consulting Group, LLC >>> 525 Washington Blvd., 24th Floor >>> Jersey City, N.J. 07310 >>> Phone: 201-876-0661 >>> Fax: 201-876-0144 >>> Email: celamrani at saluscg.com >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: jobs-bounces at lists.nycbug.org >> [mailto:jobs-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] >>> On Behalf Of Dan Langille >>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 8:39 AM >>> To: jobs at lists.nycbug.org >>> Subject: Re: [jobs] Stupid recruiters try to make >> a buck of our community >>> On 18 Jan 2007 at 5:20, Evgueni Tzvetanov wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> There are some people who would not respect the >> privacy of the group >>>> and be so cynical to post in a FREE community a >> recruiter message and >>>> try to make a buck out of it. >>>> >>>> Let's BAN the bastards! >>> Please don't. >>> >>> The original poster seems to ignore the fact that >> it would be a person in >>> the community that gets the job. >>> >>> -- >>> Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work >> my resume: >>> http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php >>> PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - >> http://www.pgcon.org/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jobs mailing list >>> jobs at lists.nycbug.org >>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jobs mailing list >>> jobs at lists.nycbug.org >>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs >>> >> >> -- >> Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. >> Albert Camus >> _______________________________________________ >> jobs mailing list >> jobs at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs >> > > Marc, > > So we are fighting now? And dirty? What the hell is > this? A kindergarten? > > I don't want to fight. This is not WWF or any other > fake fighting arena... I just exercised my right to > speak freely. I had a point, I shared it, you spitted > on me. That was it. I don't care about the opinions of > any recruiter. They have the right to defend their > bread I can listen, but I don't care. > > This message was about principals. But you lead your > parade, you say what to be, so you can take me out of > this list if you want. This would be called > totalitarian system where I came from more than a > decade ago. > > To Claudia: You will never understand this email, > because you will never be part of a community like > this... Frankly I am not sure I want to be either, if > it turns into this commercial direction... > > Best regards! > ET > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > _______________________________________________ > jobs mailing list > jobs at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs >