[NYCBSDCon] Talk idea Kernel netdump project / Contiki Another BSD Licensed OS

[Isaac (.ike) Levy]

On September 18, 2013 11:20:25 PM EDT, Brian Callahan 
<bcallah at devio.us> wrote:

> I don't mean to be the "bad guy" here, but I lean no on this - 
> explanations inline.
>
> On 9/18/2013 10:30 PM, Mark Saad wrote:
>> All
>>    I was talking to Ike and to Toothman, about an idea for a talk. Here
>> is the short synopsis
>>
>> Contiki is a BSD licensed embedded OS that has nothing to do with
>> Free/Net/Open other then the license. I said to Ike and Jim that it may
>> be a good idea to see if we can get someone to talk about why contiki
>> chose the BSD license,  what contiki has to offer the world and show off
>> some of the cool things you can do with it. IE the Apple II port talking
>> to a set of smart street lamps via IPv6 .
>>
>
> Don't get me wrong - I think it's really neat that there's a system 
> like Contiki out there and it looks like they're doing really 
> interesting things, but how does that fit into a day that's supposed 
> to be a showcase for *BSD? This could be especially disastrous for an 
> embedded con - would we really want to spend 5 of the 6 talks about 
> all the progress and usefulness of *BSD in the embedded space and 
> then a talk on some other system entirely? It would make us seem less 
> confident in successfully implementing *BSD in the embedded space 
> (despite the fact that Contiki runs on archs we never will).
>
> The way I see it, is if that paragraph was s/contiki/linux/ or 
> s/contiki/windows/ - would we even need to have this discussion? I 
> think the same applies for contiki - even if it does use a BSD 
> license.
>
> Also, on a separate but not unrelated note, do we want the con to be 
> a place to discuss proprietary vs GPL vs BSD (or, at least, why 
> choose BSD)? I could be swayed either way on that.
>
>> Why should NYC*BSDCon entertain a talk / presentation about another OS ?
>> Well for starters There was some talk on the FreBSD Hackers mailing list
>> about building a netdump setup for FreeBSD that was akin to the Apple
>> OSX Netdump a/k/a kernel network dumps over the network.  The thread
>> went so far as to say hrumm, we could use the contiki uIP stack to make
>> this happen, yadda yadda yadda.
>>
>> So two talk topics that are sort of related
>>
>> 1. General Presentation on Contini , uIP,  6lopan, RIME
>
> I don't think this talk has a place at the con, for above reasons. We 
> will have plenty of topics lined up, no?
>
>> 2. General Talk on Netdump, its use of uIP , etc
>>
>
> I could be swayed on this, if FreeBSD(/others) got or were working on 
> a working implementation. Otherwise I don't see the difference 
> between talking about uIP and talking about, say, the FreeDOS stack.
>
>> What do you all think, should this be researched and people contacted ?
>>
>
> My 2 cents - feel free to tell me that I'm wrong though.
>
> ~Brian
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I think Brian is right- in this respect: it's a day-con, and with all 
the depth of topics in the *BSD UNIX OS'es, this is perhaps a bit too 
out there to fill a slot.

However, I think Mark's thought is absolutely stellar, and both from a 
licencing perspective- and a tech perspective, I think these Contiki 
folks have a lot of crossover with us in the *BSD UNIX OS'es.

What about contacting them to attend, and perhaps set up hardware on a 
table, for folks to poke at and play with?  It may be just the right 
first contact across the projects...

Best,
.ike