[Semibug] Install webstore on OpenBSD Server

[CAREY SCHUG]

VMs are more secure than different userids.  malware that measures timings on conditional execution can determine the contents of memory belonging to another user within that instance (maybe containing somebody else's password).

DO NOT EVER compare Intel VM to mainframe VM.  x86 is not 100% vitualizable.  The host has to know what you are running to fake some stuff out.

On a mainframe, even back in the beginning, I can take any install medium and build a virtual system that cannot tell it is running virtual except by a timing loop (run a complex 100000 instruction loop say, 100 times, unless each run is exactly the same duration, you are running virtual).  And most hardware platforms could virtualize previous generations of hardware.

<pre>--Carey</pre>

> On 07/27/2023 5:18 PM CDT BCLUG <admin at bclug.ca> wrote:
> 
>  
> Jonathan Drews wrote on 2023-07-27 14:58:
> 
> > All I can tell you is that I used Shells 
> > (https://www.shells.com/l/en-US/  ), which is a virtual machine 
> > hosing different desktop OS' (a mix of Windows and Linux)
> 
> Never heard of it.
> 
> > * It was buggy ( I ran Kubuntu on it)
> > 
> > * It was expensive
> > 
> > * The latency was terrible.
> > 
> > * There was no swap partition for my Linux install.
> > 
> > Shells installed the Kubuntu. Having no swap meant that when you ran
> > out of RAM, the VM Kubutu locked up. It was only 2 MB of ram.
> 
> Sounds like a proprietary thing that bears little resemblance to actual 
> VMs like KVM.
> 
> 
> > My experience with Virtual machine hosting was truly underwhelming.
> Yeah, with that setup, no wonder.
> 
> I can't even come up with an analogy to that experience vs running a VM 
> (or bunch of them) on a proper computer, then accessing those VM-hosted 
> services.
> 
> Probably most internet stuff we interact with day-to-day is run inside 
> VMs or containers. The VPS that hosts my email server is one.
> 
> Probably the SMTP running lists.nycbug.org is inside some container too.
> 
> 
> My Nextcloud, XMPP, and all my websites are inside a VM on a computer 
> with a measly 16GB RAM which is also serving as my main desktop 
> computer. (This is only since my actual server died; I'd prefer it 
> separate.)
> 
> Works fine, does everything, even supports Jitsi / Zoom style meetings 
> for multiple hours per day, multiple times per week.
> 
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