<div dir="ltr">Replying to the thread about systemd, having to work with it in RHEL 8 and 9 servers in my day job it has grown on me a bit as an init system, BUT it is also a journal, cron system, device manager (udev), soon will be its own sudo replacement with run0, grub replacement, etc, etc, and the kitchen sink too!<br><br>One piece of software can't be that good at so many different tasks!<div><br></div><div>That being said I don't think it calls for a full boycott of Linux, as Jonahan mentioned there are still good distros like Devuran. I personally have AntiX on a laptop that just wouldn't cooperate with OpenBSD. As much as I love BSD Unix it does have a hardware support issue simply put.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm just dreading having to use RHEL 10 at work next year or the next where everything if foreign. I really don't see the need for run0 when we have doas as a perfectly good sudo replacement.</div><div><br></div><div>Well wishes,</div><div>Kyle</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 10:11 PM Jonathan Drews <<a href="mailto:jondrews@fastmail.com">jondrews@fastmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 09:06:39PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:<br>
> Ron / BCLUG said on Thu, 23 May 2024 12:12:31 -0700<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I'll address his central point, which is that systemd has many<br>
> benefits. My rebuttal is that nobody needs that kind of complexity.<br>
<br>
I don't know what the cause was but I could never get scanning (xsane)<br>
to work on either Linux Mint or Kubuntu. <br>
<br>
One of the claims about systemd is that it would provide faster boot<br>
up. However, my Devuan Linux boots faster than either KdeNeon or<br>
Kubuntu or Linux Mint. All three were installed on the same T480<br>
laptop, which now runs Devuan. <br>
<br>
Finally there is the xz exploit, which has a writeup:<br>
<a href="https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=171179460913574&w=2" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=171179460913574&w=2</a><br>
<br>
it leads in with a quote to remember - <br>
<br>
"This dependency existed not because of a deliberate design decision <br>
by the developers of OpenSSH, but because of a kludge added by some <br>
Linux distributions to integrate the tool with the operating <br>
system's newfangled orchestration service, systemd."<br>
<br>
---<br>
Kind regards, <br>
Jonathan<br>
<br>
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