From george  Wed Dec 10 19:22:17 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:22:17 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] RE: centrino. .  .and sth else.
In-Reply-To: <20031210191703.2a7a3168.mspitze1@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAApgYEDgUGEUGB/rJU2o3qagEAAAAA@sddi.net>

it's in the basement.

separate room unused as bar that early during week nights.

g

->-----Original Message-----
->From: Marc Spitzer [mailto:mspitze1 at optonline.net] 
->Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:17 PM
->To: george at sddi.net
->Cc: wes at sonnenreich.com; 'Hans Zaunere'; 'Michael Welsh'; 
->'Aron Roberts'; 'Kliment Andreev'
->Subject: Re: centrino. . .and sth else.
->
->
->On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:57:29 -0500
->"G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net> wrote:
->
->> the plan wasn't to have meetings in the bar.
->> 
->> but in the downstairs room.
->
->But how smokey is it is my question.
->
->marc
->
->
->
->> 
->> ->-----Original Message-----
->> ->From: Marc Spitzer [mailto:mspitze1 at optonline.net]
->> ->Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 12:58 AM
->> ->To: george at sddi.net
->> ->Cc: wes at sonnenreich.com; Hans Zaunere; 'Michael Welsh'; 'Aron 
->> ->Roberts'; 'Kliment Andreev'
->> ->Subject: Re: centrino. . .and sth else.
->> ->
->> ->
->> ->On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 18:19:00 -0500
->> ->"G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net> wrote:
->> ->
->> ->> 
->> ->> ->Finally, my friend owns the coffee shop next to Karma (kudo 
->> ->> ->beans). They know the karma people pretty well, 
->perhaps they can 
->> ->> ->help work something out.
->> ->> 
->> ->> nice. . .that would be very nice. . .
->> ->
->> ->As a non smoker I would be reluctant to attend a meeting in a
->> ->smoke filled room.  Although Karma is a really good bar the 
->> ->smoke was hard to take.
->> ->
->> ->marc
->> ->
->> ->> 
->> ->> i did my attempt through the bartender at karma, and 
->she said the
->> ->> downstairs room probably can be rented or used, but it's under 
->> ->> construction until january or so.
->> ->> 
->> ->> but i think the nyu idea is best. . .
->> ->> 
->> ->> we don't have any nyu *students*, but. . .HANS. . .
->> ->> 
->> ->> g
->> ->> 
->> ->
->> 
->




From george  Wed Dec 10 22:18:03 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:18:03 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] lists.nycbug.org
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAshC30/9hRUmNMOXOHWPB9QEAAAAA@sddi.net>

for some reason, the ip is still .86 for verizon's dns servers. . .but
not others, obviously.  uunet seems fine though.

so i can't get to that page, and assume others will have the same issue.

once it all seems replicated (i guess you can't expect an rboc to
replicate at the same pace. . .), i'll change the links for lists to
lists.nycbug.org

g




From wes  Wed Dec 10 22:47:10 2003
From: wes (Wes Sonnenreich)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:47:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] lists.nycbug.org
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4Jc
	KAAAAQAAAAshC30/9hRUmNMOXOHWPB9QEAAAAA@sddi.net>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAshC30/9hRUmNMOXOHWPB9QEAAAAA@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <35804.38.233.93.150.1071114430.squirrel@intranet.sagesecure.com>

let's definitely move discussions to here... is everyone on the
list/getting this?

I'm going to try to meet with tekserve people tomorrow. Has anyone else
initiated contact yet, just so I don't sound dumb as the second person
coming in?

We also have called the director of marketing for McGraw-Hill's tech
division. She's going to figure out whether they plan to have a presence
there...

Are we planning on having a presence in the .org pavillion? I certainly
wouldn't mind re-launching openlysecure there... anyone know the deal with
that?

Wes




From george  Wed Dec 10 22:52:35 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:52:35 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] lists.nycbug.org
In-Reply-To: <35804.38.233.93.150.1071114430.squirrel@intranet.sagesecure.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAeNCwkApXr0a22oyY0NefCwEAAAAA@sddi.net>

->let's definitely move discussions to here... is everyone on 
->the list/getting this?

michael and andreev (who didn't make the meeting) aren't

->I'm going to try to meet with tekserve people tomorrow. Has 
->anyone else initiated contact yet, just so I don't sound dumb 
->as the second person coming in?

i don't think so. . .

->We also have called the director of marketing for 
->McGraw-Hill's tech division. She's going to figure out 
->whether they plan to have a presence there...

cool.

->Are we planning on having a presence in the .org pavillion? I 
->certainly wouldn't mind re-launching openlysecure there... 
->anyone know the deal with that?

i guess it's just sharing a table with nyphp and bsdmall.

no official presence. . .although. ..is it too late?  who could plan to
be at the table?  probably too much to deal with. . .

g




From mspitze1  Wed Dec 10 22:54:11 2003
From: mspitze1 (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:54:11 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] lists.nycbug.org
In-Reply-To: <35804.38.233.93.150.1071114430.squirrel@intranet.sagesecure.com>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAshC30/9hRUmNMOXOHWPB9QEAAAAA@sddi.net>
	<35804.38.233.93.150.1071114430.squirrel@intranet.sagesecure.com>
Message-ID: <20031210225411.3bbfc04c.mspitze1@optonline.net>

If you need a body I should be able to put in a day or so 
to man a table.

marc


On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:47:10 -0500 (EST)
Wes Sonnenreich <wes at sagesecure.com> wrote:

> let's definitely move discussions to here... is everyone on the
> list/getting this?
> 
> I'm going to try to meet with tekserve people tomorrow. Has anyone else
> initiated contact yet, just so I don't sound dumb as the second person
> coming in?
> 
> We also have called the director of marketing for McGraw-Hill's tech
> division. She's going to figure out whether they plan to have a presence
> there...
> 
> Are we planning on having a presence in the .org pavillion? I certainly
> wouldn't mind re-launching openlysecure there... anyone know the deal with
> that?
> 
> Wes
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From george  Thu Dec 11 08:48:39 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:48:39 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] lists.nycbug.org
In-Reply-To: <20031210225411.3bbfc04c.mspitze1@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAEMQ/anqcD0CjeMgNVs+D4gEAAAAA@sddi.net>

what does everyone else think?

i'm kind of blah about it, since we have a bunch of other things
happening, like the bof meeting.

also, we'll have a presence with nyphp and bsdmall, plus probably
wasabi.

but i wouldn't go to the wall on this one.

g

->-----Original Message-----
->From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org 
->[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Spitzer
->Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:54 PM
->To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
->Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] lists.nycbug.org
->
->
->If you need a body I should be able to put in a day or so 
->to man a table.
->
->marc
->
->
->On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:47:10 -0500 (EST)
->Wes Sonnenreich <wes at sagesecure.com> wrote:
->
->> let's definitely move discussions to here... is everyone on the 
->> list/getting this?
->> 
->> I'm going to try to meet with tekserve people tomorrow. Has anyone 
->> else initiated contact yet, just so I don't sound dumb as 
->the second 
->> person coming in?
->> 
->> We also have called the director of marketing for 
->McGraw-Hill's tech 
->> division. She's going to figure out whether they plan to have a 
->> presence there...
->> 
->> Are we planning on having a presence in the .org pavillion? I 
->> certainly wouldn't mind re-launching openlysecure there... 
->anyone know 
->> the deal with that?
->> 
->> Wes
->> 
->> _______________________________________________
->> talk mailing list
->> talk at lists.nycbug.org http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
->_______________________________________________
->talk mailing list
->talk at lists.nycbug.org http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
->




From george  Thu Dec 11 10:49:10 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:49:10 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FW: status. ..
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAMzEuJfZ6LUajUgzH026OygEAAAAA@sddi.net>

it is critical to understand that without breaking things, we'd all be
without work.

so break on!


>It is working, I will hold off on breaking it for a while.

marc





From george  Thu Dec 11 15:03:34 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:03:34 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FW: [Fwd: Fw: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo -
	Exhibitor Newsletter Volume 2]
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this is great news. . .and it's also a good time. . .
 
all agree?
 
we have to figure out format, speaker (s), etc.
 
i'm sure we can pull in don from bsdmall, etc. .
 
plus decent swag from the vendors. . .
 
g

-----Original Message-----
From: Natalie_Vercauteren at idg.com [mailto:Natalie_Vercauteren at idg.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:51 PM
To: Marc Spitzer
Cc: george at sddi.net; 'Hans Zaunere'
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo - Exhibitor
Newsletter Volume 2]



Thanks Marc. Actually, a room opened up. So, you guys can have your own.
The BOF is Thursday from 5:45 - 7 in room 1E15.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Natalie Vercauteren
natalie_vercauteren at idg.com 
508.424.4826 (phone)

Macworld Conference & Expo 
San Francisco * January 5 - 9, 2004
Boston * July 12 - 15, 2004
http://www.macworldexpo.com

LinuxWorld Conference & Expo 
New York * January 20 - 23, 2004
San Francisco * August 2 - 5, 2004
http://www.linuxworldexpo.com


Inactive hide details for Marc Spitzer "
src="cid:10__=0ABBE76ADFFF7EA38f9e8a93df938690 at idg.com" width=16>Marc
Spitzer <mspitze1 at optonline.net>






	Marc Spitzer <mspitze1 at optonline.net> 

	12/09/03 03:40 PM




To

Natalie Vercauteren/WORLD EXPO/IDG at IDG	



cc

george at sddi.net, "'Hans Zaunere'" <hans at nyphp.com>	



Subject

Re: [Fwd: Fw: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo - Exhibitor Newsletter
Volume 2]	
	 	


Hi Natalie,

Title: NYC *BSD Users Group

Abstract:
NYCBUG is a technical users group for all BSD users(Free, Open, Net,
OSX and Darwin). We are having our first meeting at Linux Expo and
want *YOU* to come. We want to raise awareness about *BSD and talk
tech. We may have cookies and other good stuff so come on down.

Leader: Marc Spitzer


If the abstract sounds bad please let me know and I will
fix it.

marc



On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:50:46 -0500
Natalie_Vercauteren at idg.com wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Marc -
>
> I need from you the title for the BOF, brief abstract (50 words) and
who
> the BOF leader will be.
>
> A good lead time is about 2 - 2.5 months prior to the show to submit a
> proposal.
>
> Thanks,
> Natalie
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Natalie Vercauteren
> natalie_vercauteren at idg.com
> 508.424.4826 (phone)
>
> Macworld Conference & Expo
> San Francisco * January 5 - 9, 2004
> Boston * July 12 - 15, 2004
> http://www.macworldexpo.com
>
> LinuxWorld Conference & Expo
> New York * January 20 - 23, 2004
> San Francisco * August 2 - 5, 2004
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Marc Spitzer
> <mspitze1 at optonli
> ne.net> To
> george at sddi.net
> 12/08/03 11:30 PM cc
> "'Hans Zaunere'" <hans at nyphp.com>,
> Natalie Vercauteren/WORLD
> EXPO/IDG at IDG
> Subject
> Re: [Fwd: Fw: LinuxWorld Conference
> and Expo - Exhibitor Newsletter
> Volume 2]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> We will take it. What would be a good lead time for next year?
>
> Also if there is anything else you need to make this happen please let
me
> know.
>
> Much Thanks,
>
> Marc Spitzer
>
> On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:47:13 -0500
> "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net> wrote:
>
> > i think we go with it. . .if there's nothing else available. . .
> >
> > g
> >
> > ->-----Original Message-----
> > ->From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.com]
> > ->Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:40 PM
> > ->To: Natalie_Vercauteren at idg.com
> > ->Cc: 'Marc Spitzer'; G. Rosamond
> > ->Subject: [Fwd: Fw: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo - Exhibitor
> > ->Newsletter Volume 2]
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->Thanks for the note Natalie. I've Cc'd Marc who'll be
> > ->following up on the NYCBUG BOF session.
> > ->
> > ->Hans
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->-------- Original Message --------
> > ->Subject: Fw: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo - Exhibitor
> > ->Newsletter Volume 2
> > ->Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:13:43 -0500
> > ->From: Natalie_Vercauteren at idg.com
> > ->To: hans at nyphp.com
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->Hans -
> > ->
> > ->I no longer have any individual meeting rooms available for BOFs.
> > ->However, if you're interested, I will have one general room
> > ->set up with
> > ->round tables where other BOFs will be going on at the same
> > ->time. Is this
> > ->something that you might be interested in?
> > ->
> > ->Thanks,
> > ->Natalie
> > ->
> > ->~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > ->Natalie Vercauteren
> > ->natalie_vercauteren at idg.com
> > ->508.424.4826 (phone)
> > ->
> > ->Macworld Conference & Expo
> > ->San Francisco * January 5 - 9, 2004
> > ->Boston * July 12 - 15, 2004
> > ->http://www.macworldexpo.com
> > ->
> > ->LinuxWorld Conference & Expo
> > ->New York * January 20 - 23, 2004
> > ->San Francisco * August 2 - 5, 2004 http://www.linuxworldexpo.com
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->----- Forwarded by Natalie Vercauteren/WORLD EXPO/IDG on
> > ->12/08/03 05:33
> > ->PM -----
> > ->
> > -> *Duncan Newell/WORLD EXPO/IDG*
> > ->
> > -> 12/05/03 10:24 AM
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->To
> > ->
> > ->Natalie Vercauteren/WORLD EXPO/IDG at IDG
> > ->
> > ->cc
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->Subject
> > ->
> > ->Fw: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo - Exhibitor Newsletter Volume 2
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->Natalie,
> > ->Would you mind replying to Hans on this? Thanks.
> > ->
> > ->----- Forwarded by Duncan Newell/WORLD EXPO/IDG on 12/05/03
> > ->09:44 AM -----
> > ->
> > -> *Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.com>*
> > ->
> > -> 12/05/03 09:48 AM
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->To
> > ->
> > ->Duncan Newell/WORLD EXPO/IDG at IDG
> > ->
> > ->cc
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->Subject
> > ->
> > ->Re: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo - Exhibitor Newsletter Volume 2
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->Duncan,
> > ->
> > ->We're interested in having a BOF session. What would be involved
in
> > ->setting that up? Are there any spaces still available and is
> > ->there a cost?
> > ->
> > ->Thanks,
> > ->
> > ->Hans Zaunere
> > ->New York PHP
> > ->hans at nyphp.com
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> > ->
> >
> 


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From george  Thu Dec 11 15:41:07 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:41:07 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FW: announcement spiel
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAmzZO5eM8cUC8n9sIxCrgOgEAAAAA@sddi.net>

uh. . .f)(*& brilliant.

i think they're awesome. . .

i think the first one would be great on a shirt, sticker, whatever.

there's no question. . .

woah.

g

>I am in, too. Check these links and send me some suggestions. >I am
moving this week so I need to talk to my roommate who >made this. Under
BSD license, of course. :)

http://www.chombe.org:8800/1.jpg http://www.chombe.org:8800/2.jpg






From george  Thu Dec 11 16:51:37 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:51:37 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] www site. . .
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAA729BGHspp0K1aC3QcZVRsQEAAAAA@sddi.net>

made an adjustment. . .

with one of the new logos. . .

i'll just keep doing my hacking on it in vi and OOo until someone can
redo. . .

g




From george  Thu Dec 11 16:54:14 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:54:14 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] logos. . .
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAApQ2cvIQLfkyhBePNwAMOlQEAAAAA@sddi.net>

the one problem is with the logos is that it's a freebsd daemon.

maybe there's a more neutral one. . .or we could do the others like this
too.

also, maybe we could get "NYC" on the apple . ..and a bigger apple?

g




From george  Thu Dec 11 20:32:09 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:32:09 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] bof/linuxexpo prep
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAtBNt4WpYwEyWN1OxD1tsPAEAAAAA@sddi.net>

What needs to be done. . .

1. flier creation, vista print: (ARON)
	dates, times, locations
		1. bof/announcement
		2. wes' meeting (title??) (WES)

2. vendors: (GEORGE TO bsdmall, MICHAEL to vendors, ARON to WASABI, etc)
	swag contributions
		contact asap so they know they can help us

3. bof speaker (s)???: (WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND PLAN TOGETHER)
	don from bsdmall
	? from nycbug
	hans from nyphp
	? from wasabi
	wes from openlysecure

4. projector with laptop? (got the projector, but my laptop battery is
dead)

5.  refreshments?

6.  what else?

g




From wes  Thu Dec 11 21:49:07 2003
From: wes (Wes Sonnenreich)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:49:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] bof/linuxexpo prep
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4Jc
	KAAAAQAAAAtBNt4WpYwEyWN1OxD1tsPAEAAAAA@sddi.net>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAtBNt4WpYwEyWN1OxD1tsPAEAAAAA@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <45816.38.233.93.150.1071197347.squirrel@intranet.sagesecure.com>

> 3. bof speaker (s)???: (WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND PLAN TOGETHER)
> 	don from bsdmall
> 	? from nycbug
> 	hans from nyphp
> 	? from wasabi
> 	wes from openlysecure

certainly willing to create a few minutes worth of security talk, etc...

I'll also have a few copies of my new book as givaways... perhaps more if
McGraw gets us some... they also might have other freebies, who knows.
They're not doing anything directly at the expo -- actually, they've given
up on expos altogether. They'll still offer some support, but I'm not sure
what that will mean.

>
> 4. projector with laptop? (got the projector, but my laptop battery is
> dead)

I've got laptop and projector... but what do we want to project? And
unfortunately, my laptop is NOT running a bsd variant (intel driver
problems, go figure).

> 6.  what else?

I'll attempt to seduce booth bunnies into coming to our meeting.

Spoke with tekserve -- they might be up for offering us space for a
meeting... gotta talk to the guy in charge, hopefully will hear from him
in a few days.

Wes



From george  Thu Dec 11 22:17:52 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:17:52 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] bof/linuxexpo prep
In-Reply-To: <45816.38.233.93.150.1071197347.squirrel@intranet.sagesecure.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAjnA9eHpFD0ylVOWcic4a2wEAAAAA@sddi.net>


->certainly willing to create a few minutes worth of security 
->talk, etc...

cool.

->I'll also have a few copies of my new book as givaways... 
->perhaps more if McGraw gets us some... they also might have 
->other freebies, who knows. They're not doing anything 
->directly at the expo -- actually, they've given up on expos 
->altogether. They'll still offer some support, but I'm not 
->sure what that will mean.

that would be fine. . .

->I've got laptop and projector... but what do we want to 
->project? And unfortunately, my laptop is NOT running a bsd 
->variant (intel driver problems, go figure).

right, not sure if it's necessary. . .

->I'll attempt to seduce booth bunnies into coming to our meeting.

might not be a good idea politically, if i understand it correctly.

it doesn't exactly encourage women members.

->Spoke with tekserve -- they might be up for offering us space 
->for a meeting... gotta talk to the guy in charge, hopefully 
->will hear from him in a few days.

i met a aaron friedman at macworld through bsdmall, plus a number of
other people.

a space would be great, particularly that it's tekserve.  great way to
pull in some mac/bsd types. . .

g




From mspitze1  Thu Dec 11 22:58:32 2003
From: mspitze1 (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:58:32 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] bof/linuxexpo prep
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAjnA9eHpFD0ylVOWcic4a2wEAAAAA@sddi.net>
References: <45816.38.233.93.150.1071197347.squirrel@intranet.sagesecure.com>
	<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAjnA9eHpFD0ylVOWcic4a2wEAAAAA@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20031211225832.35dbdcc6.mspitze1@optonline.net>

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:17:52 -0500
"G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net> wrote:

> ->I'll attempt to seduce booth bunnies into coming to our meeting.
> 
> might not be a good idea politically, if i understand it correctly.
> 
> it doesn't exactly encourage women members.
> 

Get the booth bunnies.  It encourages pretty women members and it *WILL*
bring more men to the meeting also.  And as near as I can tell most of our target audience is men, look at nylug or nysa or lispnyc or unigroup.  

Also for this to survive it needs to be enjoyable.  People must want to come, even if they are not too interested in "this" talk.  And a few( one or more ) wymen will screw that up with PC crap.  I have to put up with that at work and I will not put up with it(quitely anyway) on a social occasion.  Hell if they are not willing to tolerate my flaws why should I tolerate their's.  I may be a little too blunt, but for the sake of not giving offence to someone who may not even show up anyway why give up such a good marketing tool.    

marc


> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From george  Sat Dec 13 00:34:50 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:34:50 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] michael?
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAA+vH6ZNR9SEyV417EM1DwYQEAAAAA@sddi.net>

he hasn't sub'd yet?

g




From hans  Sat Dec 13 13:16:29 2003
From: hans (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:16:29 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] lists.nycbug.org
Message-ID: <688BD1502D7CA547800722B3501F62BB295F98@ms03.mailstreet2003.net>



I'm almost certain the .org pavillion tables are filled.  There were
only 5 when I signed up and that was weeks ago already.  That said,
anyone who wants to stand at NYPHP's table is certainly welcomed :)  and
we'll already have some brochures, etc. for NYCBUG there.

H



> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of G. Rosamond
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:49 AM
> To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
> Subject: RE: [nycbug-talk] lists.nycbug.org
> 
> what does everyone else think?
> 
> i'm kind of blah about it, since we have a bunch of other things
> happening, like the bof meeting.
> 
> also, we'll have a presence with nyphp and bsdmall, plus probably
> wasabi.
> 
> but i wouldn't go to the wall on this one.
> 
> g
> 
> ->-----Original Message-----
> ->From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org 
> ->[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Spitzer
> ->Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 10:54 PM
> ->To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
> ->Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] lists.nycbug.org
> ->
> ->
> ->If you need a body I should be able to put in a day or so 
> ->to man a table.
> ->
> ->marc
> ->
> ->
> ->On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:47:10 -0500 (EST)
> ->Wes Sonnenreich <wes at sagesecure.com> wrote:
> ->
> ->> let's definitely move discussions to here... is everyone on the 
> ->> list/getting this?
> ->> 
> ->> I'm going to try to meet with tekserve people tomorrow. 
> Has anyone 
> ->> else initiated contact yet, just so I don't sound dumb as 
> ->the second 
> ->> person coming in?
> ->> 
> ->> We also have called the director of marketing for 
> ->McGraw-Hill's tech 
> ->> division. She's going to figure out whether they plan to have a 
> ->> presence there...
> ->> 
> ->> Are we planning on having a presence in the .org pavillion? I 
> ->> certainly wouldn't mind re-launching openlysecure there... 
> ->anyone know 
> ->> the deal with that?
> ->> 
> ->> Wes
> ->> 
> ->> _______________________________________________
> ->> talk mailing list
> ->> talk at lists.nycbug.org 
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> ->_______________________________________________
> ->talk mailing list
> ->talk at lists.nycbug.org http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> ->
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 



From hans  Sat Dec 13 13:30:09 2003
From: hans (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:30:09 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] bof/linuxexpo prep
Message-ID: <688BD1502D7CA547800722B3501F62BB295F9A@ms03.mailstreet2003.net>

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Spitzer
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:59 PM
> To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
> Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] bof/linuxexpo prep
> 
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:17:52 -0500
> "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net> wrote:
> 
> > ->I'll attempt to seduce booth bunnies into coming to our meeting.
> > 
> > might not be a good idea politically, if i understand it correctly.
> > 
> > it doesn't exactly encourage women members.
> > 
> 
> Get the booth bunnies.  It encourages pretty women members 
> and it *WILL*
> bring more men to the meeting also.  And as near as I can 
> tell most of our target audience is men, look at nylug or 
> nysa or lispnyc or unigroup.

But maybe that's what sets BSD (and us) apart!  :)

H





From george  Wed Dec 17 23:25:43 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:25:43 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] bsdcan
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAsq1wpzfQGE+3RVQdh1OPDgEAAAAA@sddi.net>

http://www.bsdcan.org/

i posted it on the www site. . .

it's in may. . .anyone else interested in travelling up there?

i guess we could figure out a carpool or group transportation.

g




From klimenta  Thu Dec 18 10:34:43 2003
From: klimenta (Kliment Andreev)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:34:43 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] bsdcan
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAsq1wpzfQGE+3RVQdh1OPDgEAAAAA@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <00b401c3c57d$46d95d20$ca0110ac@vinyl.tkvbp.com>

> http://www.bsdcan.org/
> 
> i posted it on the www site. . .
> 
> it's in may. . .anyone else interested in travelling up there?
> 
> i guess we could figure out a carpool or group transportation.


I am in.



From hans  Thu Dec 18 11:08:44 2003
From: hans (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:08:44 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] bsdcan
Message-ID: <688BD1502D7CA547800722B3501F62BB3F4D47@ms03.mailstreet2003.net>

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Kliment Andreev
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:35 AM
> To: General discussion
> Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] bsdcan
> 
> > http://www.bsdcan.org/
> > 
> > i posted it on the www site. . .
> > 
> > it's in may. . .anyone else interested in travelling up there?
> > 
> > i guess we could figure out a carpool or group transportation.
> 
> 
> I am in.

I'd be in too.  My folks house is 30 minutes from Ottawa (we even have a
cabin we could stay in).

H




From mspitze1  Thu Dec 18 11:38:48 2003
From: mspitze1 (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:38:48 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] bsdcan
In-Reply-To: <688BD1502D7CA547800722B3501F62BB3F4D47@ms03.mailstreet2003.net>
References: <688BD1502D7CA547800722B3501F62BB3F4D47@ms03.mailstreet2003.net>
Message-ID: <20031218113848.41401c30.mspitze1@optonline.net>

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:08:44 -0500
Hans Zaunere <hans at newyorkphp.com> wrote:

>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org 
> > [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Kliment Andreev
> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 10:35 AM
> > To: General discussion
> > Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] bsdcan
> > 
> > > http://www.bsdcan.org/
> > > 
> > > i posted it on the www site. . .
> > > 
> > > it's in may. . .anyone else interested in travelling up there?
> > > 
> > > i guess we could figure out a carpool or group transportation.
> > 
> > 
> > I am in.
> 
> I'd be in too.  My folks house is 30 minutes from Ottawa (we even have
> a cabin we could stay in).

I am interested.  And the univ has 40 CDN rooms if you are willing to split a bathroom.  How far away is it, hours drive?

marc

> 
> H
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From george  Thu Dec 18 11:44:43 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:44:43 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] bsdcan
In-Reply-To: <20031218113848.41401c30.mspitze1@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAACAWGp/qu2kO7/48rxlrkOwEAAAAA@sddi.net>

according to maps.yahoo.com, it's 480 miles from brooklyn to ottawa,
seven hours and 23 minutes.

this cabin facility sounds good, although with a weak canadian dollar to
the us dollar, and for convenience, the dorms are enticing. . .

spread the word. ..maybe we can get a group discount on a train.

hans. . .transportation ideas?

->I am interested.  And the univ has 40 CDN rooms if you are 
->willing to split a bathroom.  How far away is it, hours drive?
->
->marc




From hans  Thu Dec 18 12:37:23 2003
From: hans (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:37:23 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] bsdcan
Message-ID: <688BD1502D7CA547800722B3501F62BB3F4D95@ms03.mailstreet2003.net>


> according to maps.yahoo.com, it's 480 miles from brooklyn to ottawa,
> seven hours and 23 minutes.

Heh, it's not easy to get there.  We're looking at a solid 8.5 hours.

> this cabin facility sounds good, although with a weak 
> canadian dollar to
> the us dollar, and for convenience, the dorms are enticing. . .
> 
> spread the word. ..maybe we can get a group discount on a train.
> 
> hans. . .transportation ideas?

Well, there are no trains to Ottawa from here - only Montreal.
Basically, you have to drive across the Adirondacks.  There is the
possibility of taking the training to Montreal (about 8 hours) then
possibly using some Canadian transportation.  That said, our best bet is
probably to drive it ourselves.

> ->I am interested.  And the univ has 40 CDN rooms if you are 
> ->willing to split a bathroom.  How far away is it, hours drive?

40 CDN is hard to beat.  I think we could go with something like that.

H



From george  Thu Dec 18 12:38:03 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:38:03 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] bsdcan
In-Reply-To: <688BD1502D7CA547800722B3501F62BB3F4D95@ms03.mailstreet2003.net>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAYG0D+dWe2EaUbvsXQfPifgEAAAAA@sddi.net>

ditto on all the points.

i haven't seen anything on their announce list at all. .. and i've been
subscribed for a while now. . .

hopefully we'll hear things soon.

g

->-----Original Message-----
->From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org 
->[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Hans Zaunere
->Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 12:37 PM
->To: General discussion
->Subject: RE: [nycbug-talk] bsdcan
->
->
->
->> according to maps.yahoo.com, it's 480 miles from brooklyn 
->to ottawa, 
->> seven hours and 23 minutes.
->
->Heh, it's not easy to get there.  We're looking at a solid 8.5 hours.
->
->> this cabin facility sounds good, although with a weak
->> canadian dollar to
->> the us dollar, and for convenience, the dorms are enticing. . .
->> 
->> spread the word. ..maybe we can get a group discount on a train.
->> 
->> hans. . .transportation ideas?
->
->Well, there are no trains to Ottawa from here - only 
->Montreal. Basically, you have to drive across the 
->Adirondacks.  There is the possibility of taking the training 
->to Montreal (about 8 hours) then possibly using some Canadian 
->transportation.  That said, our best bet is probably to drive 
->it ourselves.
->
->> ->I am interested.  And the univ has 40 CDN rooms if you are
->> ->willing to split a bathroom.  How far away is it, hours drive?
->
->40 CDN is hard to beat.  I think we could go with something like that.
->
->H
->_______________________________________________
->talk mailing list
->talk at lists.nycbug.org http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
->




From george  Thu Dec 18 12:39:13 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:39:13 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] digital ultra ii latop
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAyjdGZvxzr0eQ5jeh9THtfAEAAAAA@sddi.net>

i've got an old digital ultra ii laptop, 16 meg, pentium i, no cd

loading obsd 3.4 on it. . .found a battery online for $69.

very light and small. . .will be perfect for a cli machine for nmap,
etc.

i'll tell you all how it goes. . .

g




From mspitze1  Thu Dec 18 16:37:41 2003
From: mspitze1 (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:37:41 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] bsdcan
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAACAWGp/qu2kO7/48rxlrkOwEAAAAA@sddi.net>
References: <20031218113848.41401c30.mspitze1@optonline.net>
	<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAACAWGp/qu2kO7/48rxlrkOwEAAAAA@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20031218163741.243a353a.mspitze1@optonline.net>

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:44:43 -0500
"G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net> wrote:

> according to maps.yahoo.com, it's 480 miles from brooklyn to ottawa,
> seven hours and 23 minutes.
> 
> this cabin facility sounds good, although with a weak canadian dollar
> to the us dollar, and for convenience, the dorms are enticing. . .
> 
> spread the word. ..maybe we can get a group discount on a train.
> 
> hans. . .transportation ideas?
> 

What about renting a car/van for 4 days?  If we have enough people going it would be cheaper then taking a bunch of cars and people could take turns driving.

marc
 

> ->I am interested.  And the univ has 40 CDN rooms if you are 
> ->willing to split a bathroom.  How far away is it, hours drive?
> ->
> ->marc
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From george  Mon Dec 22 22:43:19 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:43:19 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] happy holidays . . .
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAARrLq7AMXLEmnGn3NSm4QrQEAAAAA@sddi.net>

happy holidays to everyone.

nice to see michael made it to the list.  welcome.

look forward to working with all of you in the new year, making the
nycbug project a success.

as we are looking at the bof meeting on january 22nd, i propose that we
meet again for a second planning meeting the week of january 5th, to
make sure everything is in place.

i guess marc, aron, wes, fence post, etc need to fill us in on details.

fyi, bruce schneier is speaking at the 92nd street Y on january 11th.
there were details in this month's crypto-gram mailing.  check out his
site for more info.

let's get this together and make it a success.

g




From mspitze1  Tue Dec 23 22:37:33 2003
From: mspitze1 (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:37:33 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fw: NYC *BSD Users Group, our first perk
Message-ID: <20031223223733.6765caf7.mspitze1@optonline.net>

Look guys,

The first nycbug membership perk, I am sooo happy.

happy holiday

marc

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:52:20 -0500
From: Beth_Wickenhiser at idg.com
To: mspitze1 at optonline.net
Cc: Shelley_Ballarino at idg.com
Subject: Fw: NYC *BSD Users Group







Hi Marc,

Shelley forwarded your message below. I've been working with some of the
regional user groups to offer a LinuxWorld conference discount to their
members, and would like to do something similar with NYCBUG.

I have put together a short message that you can send to your members via
e-mail. This message includes details on your BOF, the conference program
and how they can take advantage of the user group discount. Let me know
what you think of the message below.

Thanks Marc, and happy holidays!

Kind regards,
Beth


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Wickenhiser
Public Relations Specialist
IDG World Expo
+1.508.424.4855
beth_wickenhiser at idg.com



The New York City BSD Users Group will host its first meeting at LinuxWorld
Conference & Expo, which is returning to New York City January 20-23, 2004.
We'll be raising awareness for BSD and talking tech during our Birds of a
Feather session. Join us at the Javits Center on Thursday, January 22 at
5:45 p.m. We may have cookies and other good stuff -- so come on down!

NYCBUG has also partnered with IDG World Expo, the show management company
that produces LinuxWorld, to offer a special LinuxWorld conference discount
to NYCBUG members. Register online at www.linuxworldexpo.com with the
priority code D-LUG2 to receive 15% off all LinuxWorld conference packages.
This offer expires on Friday, January 9, 2004.

Register with your priority code TODAY to take advantage of LinuxWorld???s
comprehensive educational program, which features:

* Dozens of sessions spread across eight separate conference tracks: Linux
in Business: Management and Deployment; Network Linux: Real SysAdmin from
the Trenches; Security Issues; Software Developer Issues; Emerging
Technologies; Application Development/Standards; Kernel/Cluster Updates;
and Linux in Government.

*  New Hands-on Labs for those who want to bring in their laptops for
in-depth, hands-on training on topics such as: Managing a Mixed Linux and
Windows Environment; Getting Up and Running with Apache 2.0 on Linux;
Python Network Programming; and Building a Portable Application with the
LSB.

* Half-day tutorials that provide three hours of power training on: Linux
System Administration; Samba Administration; Beowulf Clusters; Securing
Linux/Unix Systems; and Deploying Linux on the Desktop Using LTSP.

Your LinuxWorld conference pass will also give you access to the LinuxWorld
exhibit floor, keynotes, feature presentations, Birds-of-a-Feather meetings
and much more. To learn more about what???s on tap for LinuxWorld next month,
visit www.linuxworldexpo.com.

(PLEASE NOTE: This offer is valid for new registrations only. This offer
may not be redeemed for cash or used in conjunction with any other offer.
All registrations are non-refundable and non-transferable. No one under 12
years of age will be permitted on the expo floor. Registrants between 12
and 16 years of age MUST be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian who
must also be registered.)


----- Forwarded by Shelley Ballarino/WORLD EXPO/IDG on 12/23/03 09:08 AM
-----
                                                                           
             Marc Spitzer                                                  
             <mspitze1 at optonli                                             
             ne.net>                                                    To 
                                       Shelley Ballarino/WORLD             
             12/15/03 03:28 PM         EXPO/IDG at IDG                        
                                                                        cc 
                                       Natalie Vercauteren/WORLD           
                                       EXPO/IDG at IDG, Duncan Newell/WORLD   
                                       EXPO/IDG at IDG                        
                                                                   Subject 
                                       Re: NYC *BSD Users Group            
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           





On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:10:55 -0500
Shelley_Ballarino at idg.com wrote:

> Hi Marc,
>
> Glad to have you on board and its great you're having your UG meeting
> as a BOF at the event.

Thanks, we think so too.

>
> I'm assuming you'll be promoting it to your members, and I was just
> wondering how - where I may
> be able to offer some assistance that will mutually benefit both the
> event and your session.

We have a mailing list at http://lists.nycbug.org and a web site at
www.nycbug.org.  And any help would be more then welcome.

Thanks

marc


>
> LMK,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Shelley Ballarino
> Marketing Manager
> Macworld & LinuxWorld Conference & Expos
> IDG World Expo
> Framingham, MA
> Tel: 508-424-4842
>
> ----- Forwarded by Shelley Ballarino/WORLD EXPO/IDG on 12/15/03 02:09
> PM-----
>

>              Natalie
>
>              Vercauteren/WORLD
>
>              EXPO/IDG
>               To
>                                        Shelley Ballarino/WORLD
>
>              12/09/03 04:59 PM         EXPO/IDG at IDG, Duncan
>              Newell/WORLD
>                                        EXPO/IDG at IDG
>
>
   cc
>

>                                                                    Su
>                                                                    bj
>                                                                    ect
>                                        Fw: [Fwd: Fw: LinuxWorld
>                                        Conference and Expo - Exhibitor
>                                        Newsletter Volume 2]
>
>

>

>

>

>

>

>
>
>
> These guys are going to do a BOF.  Want them to promote the show
> somehow in advance?
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Natalie Vercauteren
> natalie_vercauteren at idg.com
> 508.424.4826 (phone)
>
> Macworld Conference & Expo
> San Francisco * January 5 - 9, 2004
> Boston * July 12 - 15, 2004
> http://www.macworldexpo.com
>
> LinuxWorld Conference & Expo
> New York * January 20 - 23, 2004
> San Francisco * August 2 - 5, 2004
> http://www.linuxworldexpo.com
>
>
> ----- Forwarded by Natalie Vercauteren/WORLD EXPO/IDG on 12/09/03
> 05:20 PM-----
>

>              Marc Spitzer
>
>              <mspitze1 at optonli
>
>              ne.net>
>               To
>                                        Natalie Vercauteren/WORLD
>
>              12/09/03 03:40 PM         EXPO/IDG at IDG
>
>
   cc
>                                        george at sddi.net, "'Hans
>                                        Zaunere'"<hans at nyphp.com>
>
>                                                                    Su
>                                                                    bj
>                                                                    ect
>                                        Re: [Fwd: Fw: LinuxWorld
>                                        Conference and Expo - Exhibitor
>                                        Newsletter Volume 2]
>
>

>

>

>

>

>

>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Natalie,
>
> Title: NYC *BSD Users Group
>
> Abstract:
> NYCBUG is a technical users group for all BSD users(Free, Open, Net,
> OSX and Darwin).  We are having our first meeting at Linux Expo and
> want *YOU* to come.  We want to raise awareness about *BSD and talk
> tech.  We may have cookies and other good stuff so come on down.
>
> Leader: Marc Spitzer
>
>
> If the abstract sounds bad please let me know and I will
> fix it.
>
> marc
>
>
>
> On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:50:46 -0500
> Natalie_Vercauteren at idg.com wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Marc -
> >
> > I need from you the title for the BOF, brief abstract (50 words) and
> > who the BOF leader will be.
> >
> > A good lead time is about 2 - 2.5 months prior to the show to submit
> > a proposal.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Natalie
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Natalie Vercauteren
> > natalie_vercauteren at idg.com
> > 508.424.4826 (phone)
> >
> > Macworld Conference & Expo
> > San Francisco * January 5 - 9, 2004
> > Boston * July 12 - 15, 2004
> > http://www.macworldexpo.com
> >
> > LinuxWorld Conference & Expo
> > New York * January 20 - 23, 2004
> > San Francisco * August 2 - 5, 2004
> > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >              Marc Spitzer
> >              <mspitze1 at optonli
> >              ne.net>
> To
> >                                        george at sddi.net
> >              12/08/03 11:30 PM
> cc
> >                                        "'Hans Zaunere'"
> >                                        <hans at nyphp.com>, Natalie
> >                                        Vercauteren/WORLD
> >                                        EXPO/IDG at IDG
> >
> Subject
> >                                        Re: [Fwd: Fw: LinuxWorld
> Conference
> >                                        and Expo - Exhibitor
> >                                        Newsletter Volume 2]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We will take it.  What would be a good lead time for next year?
> >
> > Also if there is anything else you need to make this happen please
> > let me know.
> >
> > Much Thanks,
> >
> > Marc Spitzer
> >
> > On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:47:13 -0500
> > "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net> wrote:
> >
> > > i think we go with it. . .if there's nothing else available. . .
> > >
> > > g
> > >
> > > ->-----Original Message-----
> > > ->From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.com]
> > > ->Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:40 PM
> > > ->To: Natalie_Vercauteren at idg.com
> > > ->Cc: 'Marc Spitzer'; G. Rosamond
> > > ->Subject: [Fwd: Fw: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo - Exhibitor
> > > ->Newsletter Volume 2]
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->Thanks for the note Natalie.  I've Cc'd Marc who'll be
> > > ->following up on the NYCBUG BOF session.
> > > ->
> > > ->Hans
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->-------- Original Message --------
> > > ->Subject:      Fw: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo - Exhibitor
> > > ->Newsletter Volume 2
> > > ->Date:   Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:13:43 -0500
> > > ->From:   Natalie_Vercauteren at idg.com
> > > ->To:     hans at nyphp.com
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->Hans -
> > > ->
> > > ->I no longer have any individual meeting rooms available for
> > > BOFs.->However, if you're interested, I will have one general room
> > > ->set up with
> > > ->round tables where other BOFs will be going on at the same
> > > ->time. Is this
> > > ->something that you might be interested in?
> > > ->
> > > ->Thanks,
> > > ->Natalie
> > > ->
> > > ->~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > ->Natalie Vercauteren
> > > ->natalie_vercauteren at idg.com
> > > ->508.424.4826 (phone)
> > > ->
> > > ->Macworld Conference & Expo
> > > ->San Francisco * January 5 - 9, 2004
> > > ->Boston * July 12 - 15, 2004
> > > ->http://www.macworldexpo.com
> > > ->
> > > ->LinuxWorld Conference & Expo
> > > ->New York * January 20 - 23, 2004
> > > ->San Francisco * August 2 - 5, 2004 http://www.linuxworldexpo.com
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->----- Forwarded by Natalie Vercauteren/WORLD EXPO/IDG on
> > > ->12/08/03 05:33
> > > ->PM -----
> > > ->
> > > ->                        *Duncan Newell/WORLD EXPO/IDG*
> > > ->
> > > ->                        12/05/03 10:24 AM
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->To
> > > ->
> > > ->Natalie Vercauteren/WORLD EXPO/IDG at IDG
> > > ->
> > > ->cc
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->Subject
> > > ->
> > > ->Fw: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo - Exhibitor Newsletter Volume
> > > 2->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->Natalie,
> > > ->Would you mind replying to Hans on this? Thanks.
> > > ->
> > > ->----- Forwarded by Duncan Newell/WORLD EXPO/IDG on 12/05/03
> > > ->09:44 AM -----
> > > ->
> > > ->                        *Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.com>*
> > > ->
> > > ->                        12/05/03 09:48 AM
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->To
> > > ->
> > > ->Duncan Newell/WORLD EXPO/IDG at IDG
> > > ->
> > > ->cc
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->Subject
> > > ->
> > > ->Re: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo - Exhibitor Newsletter Volume
> > > 2->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->Duncan,
> > > ->
> > > ->We're interested in having a BOF session.  What would be
> > > involved in->setting that up?  Are there any spaces still
> > > available and is->there a cost?
> > > ->
> > > ->Thanks,
> > > ->
> > > ->Hans Zaunere
> > > ->New York PHP
> > > ->hans at nyphp.com
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > > ->
> > >
> >
>
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From george  Wed Dec 24 00:41:36 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:41:36 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fw: NYC *BSD Users Group, our first perk
In-Reply-To: <20031223223733.6765caf7.mspitze1@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAwslJsaX/yUGz+6GJF9dMEAEAAAAA@sddi.net>

that's good. . .

;-)

g

->-----Original Message-----
->From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org 
->[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Spitzer
->Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:38 PM
->To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
->Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fw: NYC *BSD Users Group, our first perk
->
->
->Look guys,
->
->The first nycbug membership perk, I am sooo happy.
->
->happy holiday
->
->marc
->
->Begin forwarded message:
->
->Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:52:20 -0500
->From: Beth_Wickenhiser at idg.com
->To: mspitze1 at optonline.net
->Cc: Shelley_Ballarino at idg.com
->Subject: Fw: NYC *BSD Users Group
->
->
->
->
->
->
->
->Hi Marc,
->
->Shelley forwarded your message below. I've been working with 
->some of the regional user groups to offer a LinuxWorld 
->conference discount to their members, and would like to do 
->something similar with NYCBUG.
->
->I have put together a short message that you can send to your 
->members via e-mail. This message includes details on your 
->BOF, the conference program and how they can take advantage 
->of the user group discount. Let me know what you think of the 
->message below.
->
->Thanks Marc, and happy holidays!
->
->Kind regards,
->Beth
->
->
->~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
->Beth Wickenhiser
->Public Relations Specialist
->IDG World Expo
->+1.508.424.4855
->beth_wickenhiser at idg.com
->
->
->
->The New York City BSD Users Group will host its first meeting 
->at LinuxWorld Conference & Expo, which is returning to New 
->York City January 20-23, 2004. We'll be raising awareness for 
->BSD and talking tech during our Birds of a Feather session. 
->Join us at the Javits Center on Thursday, January 22 at 5:45 
->p.m. We may have cookies and other good stuff -- so come on down!
->
->NYCBUG has also partnered with IDG World Expo, the show 
->management company that produces LinuxWorld, to offer a 
->special LinuxWorld conference discount to NYCBUG members. 
->Register online at www.linuxworldexpo.com with the priority 
->code D-LUG2 to receive 15% off all LinuxWorld conference 
->packages. This offer expires on Friday, January 9, 2004.
->
->Register with your priority code TODAY to take advantage of 
->LinuxWorld???s comprehensive educational program, which features:
->
->* Dozens of sessions spread across eight separate conference 
->tracks: Linux in Business: Management and Deployment; Network 
->Linux: Real SysAdmin from the Trenches; Security Issues; 
->Software Developer Issues; Emerging Technologies; Application 
->Development/Standards; Kernel/Cluster Updates; and Linux in 
->Government.
->
->*  New Hands-on Labs for those who want to bring in their 
->laptops for in-depth, hands-on training on topics such as: 
->Managing a Mixed Linux and Windows Environment; Getting Up 
->and Running with Apache 2.0 on Linux; Python Network 
->Programming; and Building a Portable Application with the LSB.
->
->* Half-day tutorials that provide three hours of power 
->training on: Linux System Administration; Samba 
->Administration; Beowulf Clusters; Securing Linux/Unix 
->Systems; and Deploying Linux on the Desktop Using LTSP.
->
->Your LinuxWorld conference pass will also give you access to 
->the LinuxWorld exhibit floor, keynotes, feature 
->presentations, Birds-of-a-Feather meetings and much more. To 
->learn more about what???s on tap for LinuxWorld next month, 
->visit www.linuxworldexpo.com.
->
->(PLEASE NOTE: This offer is valid for new registrations only. 
->This offer may not be redeemed for cash or used in 
->conjunction with any other offer. All registrations are 
->non-refundable and non-transferable. No one under 12 years of 
->age will be permitted on the expo floor. Registrants between 
->12 and 16 years of age MUST be accompanied by a parent or 
->legal guardian who must also be registered.)
->
->
->----- Forwarded by Shelley Ballarino/WORLD EXPO/IDG on 
->12/23/03 09:08 AM
->-----
->                                                              
->             
->             Marc Spitzer                                     
->             
->             <mspitze1 at optonli                                
->             
->             ne.net>                                          
->          To 
->                                       Shelley 
->Ballarino/WORLD             
->             12/15/03 03:28 PM         EXPO/IDG at IDG           
->             
->                                                              
->          cc 
->                                       Natalie 
->Vercauteren/WORLD           
->                                       EXPO/IDG at IDG, Duncan 
->Newell/WORLD   
->                                       EXPO/IDG at IDG           
->             
->                                                              
->     Subject 
->                                       Re: NYC *BSD Users 
->Group            
->                                                              
->             
->                                                              
->             
->                                                              
->             
->                                                              
->             
->                                                              
->             
->                                                              
->             
->
->
->
->
->
->On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:10:55 -0500
->Shelley_Ballarino at idg.com wrote:
->
->> Hi Marc,
->>
->> Glad to have you on board and its great you're having your 
->UG meeting 
->> as a BOF at the event.
->
->Thanks, we think so too.
->
->>
->> I'm assuming you'll be promoting it to your members, and I was just 
->> wondering how - where I may be able to offer some 
->assistance that will 
->> mutually benefit both the event and your session.
->
->We have a mailing list at http://lists.nycbug.org and a web 
->site at www.nycbug.org.  And any help would be more then welcome.
->
->Thanks
->
->marc
->
->
->>
->> LMK,
->> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
->> Shelley Ballarino
->> Marketing Manager
->> Macworld & LinuxWorld Conference & Expos
->> IDG World Expo
->> Framingham, MA
->> Tel: 508-424-4842
->>
->> ----- Forwarded by Shelley Ballarino/WORLD EXPO/IDG on 
->12/15/03 02:09
->> PM-----
->>
->
->>              Natalie
->>
->>              Vercauteren/WORLD
->>
->>              EXPO/IDG
->>               To
->>                                        Shelley Ballarino/WORLD
->>
->>              12/09/03 04:59 PM         EXPO/IDG at IDG, Duncan
->>              Newell/WORLD
->>                                        EXPO/IDG at IDG
->>
->>
->   cc
->>
->
->>                                                             
->       Su
->>                                                             
->       bj
->>                                                             
->       ect
->>                                        Fw: [Fwd: Fw: LinuxWorld
->>                                        Conference and Expo 
->- Exhibitor
->>                                        Newsletter Volume 2]
->>
->>
->
->>
->
->>
->
->>
->
->>
->
->>
->
->>
->>
->>
->> These guys are going to do a BOF.  Want them to promote the show 
->> somehow in advance?
->>
->> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
->> Natalie Vercauteren
->> natalie_vercauteren at idg.com
->> 508.424.4826 (phone)
->>
->> Macworld Conference & Expo
->> San Francisco * January 5 - 9, 2004
->> Boston * July 12 - 15, 2004
->> http://www.macworldexpo.com
->>
->> LinuxWorld Conference & Expo
->> New York * January 20 - 23, 2004
->> San Francisco * August 2 - 5, 2004 http://www.linuxworldexpo.com
->>
->>
->> ----- Forwarded by Natalie Vercauteren/WORLD EXPO/IDG on 12/09/03
->> 05:20 PM-----
->>
->
->>              Marc Spitzer
->>
->>              <mspitze1 at optonli
->>
->>              ne.net>
->>               To
->>                                        Natalie Vercauteren/WORLD
->>
->>              12/09/03 03:40 PM         EXPO/IDG at IDG
->>
->>
->   cc
->>                                        george at sddi.net, "'Hans
->>                                        Zaunere'"<hans at nyphp.com>
->>
->>                                                             
->       Su
->>                                                             
->       bj
->>                                                             
->       ect
->>                                        Re: [Fwd: Fw: LinuxWorld
->>                                        Conference and Expo 
->- Exhibitor
->>                                        Newsletter Volume 2]
->>
->>
->
->>
->
->>
->
->>
->
->>
->
->>
->
->>
->>
->>
->>
->>
->> Hi Natalie,
->>
->> Title: NYC *BSD Users Group
->>
->> Abstract:
->> NYCBUG is a technical users group for all BSD users(Free, Open, Net,
->> OSX and Darwin).  We are having our first meeting at Linux Expo and
->> want *YOU* to come.  We want to raise awareness about *BSD and talk
->> tech.  We may have cookies and other good stuff so come on down.
->>
->> Leader: Marc Spitzer
->>
->>
->> If the abstract sounds bad please let me know and I will
->> fix it.
->>
->> marc
->>
->>
->>
->> On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:50:46 -0500
->> Natalie_Vercauteren at idg.com wrote:
->>
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> > Hi Marc -
->> >
->> > I need from you the title for the BOF, brief abstract (50 
->words) and
->> > who the BOF leader will be.
->> >
->> > A good lead time is about 2 - 2.5 months prior to the 
->show to submit
->> > a proposal.
->> >
->> > Thanks,
->> > Natalie
->> >
->> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
->> > Natalie Vercauteren
->> > natalie_vercauteren at idg.com
->> > 508.424.4826 (phone)
->> >
->> > Macworld Conference & Expo
->> > San Francisco * January 5 - 9, 2004
->> > Boston * July 12 - 15, 2004
->> > http://www.macworldexpo.com
->> >
->> > LinuxWorld Conference & Expo
->> > New York * January 20 - 23, 2004
->> > San Francisco * August 2 - 5, 2004
->> > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> >              Marc Spitzer
->> >              <mspitze1 at optonli
->> >              ne.net>
->> To
->> >                                        george at sddi.net
->> >              12/08/03 11:30 PM
->> cc
->> >                                        "'Hans Zaunere'"
->> >                                        <hans at nyphp.com>, Natalie
->> >                                        Vercauteren/WORLD
->> >                                        EXPO/IDG at IDG
->> >
->> Subject
->> >                                        Re: [Fwd: Fw: LinuxWorld
->> Conference
->> >                                        and Expo - Exhibitor
->> >                                        Newsletter Volume 2]
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> >
->> > We will take it.  What would be a good lead time for next year?
->> >
->> > Also if there is anything else you need to make this happen please
->> > let me know.
->> >
->> > Much Thanks,
->> >
->> > Marc Spitzer
->> >
->> > On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:47:13 -0500
->> > "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net> wrote:
->> >
->> > > i think we go with it. . .if there's nothing else available. . .
->> > >
->> > > g
->> > >
->> > > ->-----Original Message-----
->> > > ->From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.com]
->> > > ->Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 10:40 PM
->> > > ->To: Natalie_Vercauteren at idg.com
->> > > ->Cc: 'Marc Spitzer'; G. Rosamond
->> > > ->Subject: [Fwd: Fw: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo - Exhibitor
->> > > ->Newsletter Volume 2]
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Thanks for the note Natalie.  I've Cc'd Marc who'll be
->> > > ->following up on the NYCBUG BOF session.
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Hans
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->-------- Original Message --------
->> > > ->Subject:      Fw: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo - Exhibitor
->> > > ->Newsletter Volume 2
->> > > ->Date:   Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:13:43 -0500
->> > > ->From:   Natalie_Vercauteren at idg.com
->> > > ->To:     hans at nyphp.com
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Hans -
->> > > ->
->> > > ->I no longer have any individual meeting rooms available for
->> > > BOFs.->However, if you're interested, I will have one 
->general room
->> > > ->set up with
->> > > ->round tables where other BOFs will be going on at the same
->> > > ->time. Is this
->> > > ->something that you might be interested in?
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Thanks,
->> > > ->Natalie
->> > > ->
->> > > ->~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
->> > > ->Natalie Vercauteren
->> > > ->natalie_vercauteren at idg.com
->> > > ->508.424.4826 (phone)
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Macworld Conference & Expo
->> > > ->San Francisco * January 5 - 9, 2004
->> > > ->Boston * July 12 - 15, 2004
->> > > ->http://www.macworldexpo.com
->> > > ->
->> > > ->LinuxWorld Conference & Expo
->> > > ->New York * January 20 - 23, 2004
->> > > ->San Francisco * August 2 - 5, 2004 
->http://www.linuxworldexpo.com
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->----- Forwarded by Natalie Vercauteren/WORLD EXPO/IDG on
->> > > ->12/08/03 05:33
->> > > ->PM -----
->> > > ->
->> > > ->                        *Duncan Newell/WORLD EXPO/IDG*
->> > > ->
->> > > ->                        12/05/03 10:24 AM
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->To
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Natalie Vercauteren/WORLD EXPO/IDG at IDG
->> > > ->
->> > > ->cc
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Subject
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Fw: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo - Exhibitor 
->Newsletter Volume
->> > > 2->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Natalie,
->> > > ->Would you mind replying to Hans on this? Thanks.
->> > > ->
->> > > ->----- Forwarded by Duncan Newell/WORLD EXPO/IDG on 12/05/03
->> > > ->09:44 AM -----
->> > > ->
->> > > ->                        *Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.com>*
->> > > ->
->> > > ->                        12/05/03 09:48 AM
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->To
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Duncan Newell/WORLD EXPO/IDG at IDG
->> > > ->
->> > > ->cc
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Subject
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Re: LinuxWorld Conference and Expo - Exhibitor 
->Newsletter Volume
->> > > 2->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Duncan,
->> > > ->
->> > > ->We're interested in having a BOF session.  What would be
->> > > involved in->setting that up?  Are there any spaces still
->> > > available and is->there a cost?
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Thanks,
->> > > ->
->> > > ->Hans Zaunere
->> > > ->New York PHP
->> > > ->hans at nyphp.com
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > > ->
->> > >
->> >
->>
->




From carlyle1789  Sat Dec 27 18:17:46 2003
From: carlyle1789 (Thomas Carlyle)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:17:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Temp Job
Message-ID: <20031227231746.81054.qmail@web41306.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I'm a BSD newbie with a request which I hope will be
appropriate for this list:  

I need to hire some short-term OpenBSD expertise.  If
you or anyone you know in the OpenBSD community needs
some extra cash and fits the below profile, perhaps
you can forward this message to them.

Job: Set up software on OpenBSD laptop
Start: ASAP - Early January
Duration: 5 - 12 hours, at your convenience
Qualifications: Know KDE, FVWM well.  Be able to
internationalize KDE (or offer internationalized
alternatives).  Crypto/security competence a plus.
Salary: Name it

I would like to use OpenBSD for my field laptop, but
with no nix experience it is taking me too long to
figure out how to install and configure the software. 
I'm inviting someone with experience running OpenBSD
for office (email, spreadsheet, etc) purposes to come
in and install/configure software on my laptop.  The
specific requirements are listed below.  I'm looking
for someone who knows this stuff well; I'll look over
their shoulder taking notes.  I would expect that they
run OpenBSD currently on one or more of their systems.

a.  Email.
Text-based client such as Mutt is fine.  Must be able
to handle POP/IMAP over SSL and text in Arabic, Farsi,
Chinese, and Russian.  Import my old messages (mbox
format) and integrate with PGP/GPG.

b.  PIM/Office Software
KOffice is great, but I need to add Arabic, Persian,
Chinese, and Russian fonts and need to be able to
store address/calendar information in those languages.
 Need to be able to print hi-res text in said
languages, create PDFs with characters from said
languages.

c.  Web Design
Install web design software that is usable by beginner
(have used the Macromedia packages, but understand
they're not available for *nix).  Nothing fancy, just
optimize images for web display and do basic layout.

d.  Sound
I am using a Toshiba Portege 7010CT.  Need to get
sound functional if possible (maestro2e) -- import and
export .mp3s to/from cassette tape and/or radio.  May
involve enabling drivers in kernel or playing with
BIOS.  

e.  fvwm
Configure the thing so that my windows aren't
unbearably ugly.

f.  Crypto
Configure software to encrypt selected directories. 
(I am aware that OpenBSD doesn't have the best
partion-encryption functionality.)

g.  Wireless/Modem
Get Cisco 350 aironet pcmcia card up and running,
recommend modem card and get PPP functional.

Name your salary.  I prefer to pay for results as
opposed to by the hour.  This is a pretty basic job
but you'll need to work quickly (or cheaply, take your
pick) and show me what you're doing.  I can meet you
anywhere in NY or DC or points between.  

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing.
http://photos.yahoo.com/



From george  Sat Dec 27 19:52:48 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:52:48 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Temp Job
In-Reply-To: <20031227231746.81054.qmail@web41306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAA7Fm17aZZpUOhRCBSvT9/zwEAAAAA@sddi.net>

i'm up for this thomas.

i have mostly freebsd experience on laptops, but lots of openbsd as well
in general.

it's hard to price out right off the bat, but there's nothing outlandish
here for me that you've listed. . .

are you in nyc?

you can call me at 917-968-1900 anytime. . .

g

->-----Original Message-----
->From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org 
->[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Carlyle
->Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:18 PM
->To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
->Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Temp Job
->
->
->Hi,
->
->I'm a BSD newbie with a request which I hope will be 
->appropriate for this list:  
->
->I need to hire some short-term OpenBSD expertise.  If
->you or anyone you know in the OpenBSD community needs
->some extra cash and fits the below profile, perhaps
->you can forward this message to them.
->
->Job: Set up software on OpenBSD laptop
->Start: ASAP - Early January
->Duration: 5 - 12 hours, at your convenience
->Qualifications: Know KDE, FVWM well.  Be able to 
->internationalize KDE (or offer internationalized 
->alternatives).  Crypto/security competence a plus.
->Salary: Name it
->
->I would like to use OpenBSD for my field laptop, but
->with no nix experience it is taking me too long to
->figure out how to install and configure the software. 
->I'm inviting someone with experience running OpenBSD
->for office (email, spreadsheet, etc) purposes to come
->in and install/configure software on my laptop.  The
->specific requirements are listed below.  I'm looking
->for someone who knows this stuff well; I'll look over
->their shoulder taking notes.  I would expect that they
->run OpenBSD currently on one or more of their systems.
->
->a.  Email.
->Text-based client such as Mutt is fine.  Must be able
->to handle POP/IMAP over SSL and text in Arabic, Farsi,
->Chinese, and Russian.  Import my old messages (mbox
->format) and integrate with PGP/GPG.
->
->b.  PIM/Office Software
->KOffice is great, but I need to add Arabic, Persian,
->Chinese, and Russian fonts and need to be able to
->store address/calendar information in those languages.
-> Need to be able to print hi-res text in said
->languages, create PDFs with characters from said
->languages.
->
->c.  Web Design
->Install web design software that is usable by beginner
->(have used the Macromedia packages, but understand
->they're not available for *nix).  Nothing fancy, just
->optimize images for web display and do basic layout.
->
->d.  Sound
->I am using a Toshiba Portege 7010CT.  Need to get
->sound functional if possible (maestro2e) -- import and
->export .mp3s to/from cassette tape and/or radio.  May
->involve enabling drivers in kernel or playing with
->BIOS.  
->
->e.  fvwm
->Configure the thing so that my windows aren't
->unbearably ugly.
->
->f.  Crypto
->Configure software to encrypt selected directories. 
->(I am aware that OpenBSD doesn't have the best 
->partion-encryption functionality.)
->
->g.  Wireless/Modem
->Get Cisco 350 aironet pcmcia card up and running,
->recommend modem card and get PPP functional.
->
->Name your salary.  I prefer to pay for results as
->opposed to by the hour.  This is a pretty basic job
->but you'll need to work quickly (or cheaply, take your
->pick) and show me what you're doing.  I can meet you
->anywhere in NY or DC or points between.  
->
->__________________________________
->Do you Yahoo!?
->New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. 
http://photos.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nycbug.org http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk




From george  Sat Dec 27 19:53:11 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:53:11 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Temp Job
In-Reply-To: <20031227231746.81054.qmail@web41306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAmh0/c8t24k296XD1KenNNAEAAAAA@sddi.net>

and btw, i don't think anything *isn't* inappropriate for this list
right now. . .except for the lack of traffic.

;-)

g

->-----Original Message-----
->From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org 
->[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Carlyle
->Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:18 PM
->To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
->Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Temp Job
->
->
->Hi,
->
->I'm a BSD newbie with a request which I hope will be 
->appropriate for this list:  
->
->I need to hire some short-term OpenBSD expertise.  If
->you or anyone you know in the OpenBSD community needs
->some extra cash and fits the below profile, perhaps
->you can forward this message to them.
->
->Job: Set up software on OpenBSD laptop
->Start: ASAP - Early January
->Duration: 5 - 12 hours, at your convenience
->Qualifications: Know KDE, FVWM well.  Be able to 
->internationalize KDE (or offer internationalized 
->alternatives).  Crypto/security competence a plus.
->Salary: Name it
->
->I would like to use OpenBSD for my field laptop, but
->with no nix experience it is taking me too long to
->figure out how to install and configure the software. 
->I'm inviting someone with experience running OpenBSD
->for office (email, spreadsheet, etc) purposes to come
->in and install/configure software on my laptop.  The
->specific requirements are listed below.  I'm looking
->for someone who knows this stuff well; I'll look over
->their shoulder taking notes.  I would expect that they
->run OpenBSD currently on one or more of their systems.
->
->a.  Email.
->Text-based client such as Mutt is fine.  Must be able
->to handle POP/IMAP over SSL and text in Arabic, Farsi,
->Chinese, and Russian.  Import my old messages (mbox
->format) and integrate with PGP/GPG.
->
->b.  PIM/Office Software
->KOffice is great, but I need to add Arabic, Persian,
->Chinese, and Russian fonts and need to be able to
->store address/calendar information in those languages.
-> Need to be able to print hi-res text in said
->languages, create PDFs with characters from said
->languages.
->
->c.  Web Design
->Install web design software that is usable by beginner
->(have used the Macromedia packages, but understand
->they're not available for *nix).  Nothing fancy, just
->optimize images for web display and do basic layout.
->
->d.  Sound
->I am using a Toshiba Portege 7010CT.  Need to get
->sound functional if possible (maestro2e) -- import and
->export .mp3s to/from cassette tape and/or radio.  May
->involve enabling drivers in kernel or playing with
->BIOS.  
->
->e.  fvwm
->Configure the thing so that my windows aren't
->unbearably ugly.
->
->f.  Crypto
->Configure software to encrypt selected directories. 
->(I am aware that OpenBSD doesn't have the best 
->partion-encryption functionality.)
->
->g.  Wireless/Modem
->Get Cisco 350 aironet pcmcia card up and running,
->recommend modem card and get PPP functional.
->
->Name your salary.  I prefer to pay for results as
->opposed to by the hour.  This is a pretty basic job
->but you'll need to work quickly (or cheaply, take your
->pick) and show me what you're doing.  I can meet you
->anywhere in NY or DC or points between.  
->
->__________________________________
->Do you Yahoo!?
->New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. 
http://photos.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nycbug.org http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk




From mspitze1  Sat Dec 27 19:57:42 2003
From: mspitze1 (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:57:42 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Temp Job
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAmh0/c8t24k296XD1KenNNAEAAAAA@sddi.net>
References: <20031227231746.81054.qmail@web41306.mail.yahoo.com>
	<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAmh0/c8t24k296XD1KenNNAEAAAAA@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20031227195742.0db2bf95.mspitze1@optonline.net>

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:53:11 -0500
"G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net> wrote:

> and btw, i don't think anything *isn't* inappropriate for this list
> right now. . .except for the lack of traffic.

Real jobs are always proper.

marc

> 
> ;-)
> 
> g
> 
> ->-----Original Message-----
> ->From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org 
> ->[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Carlyle
> ->Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:18 PM
> ->To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
> ->Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Temp Job
> ->
> ->
> ->Hi,
> ->
> ->I'm a BSD newbie with a request which I hope will be 
> ->appropriate for this list:  
> ->
> ->I need to hire some short-term OpenBSD expertise.  If
> ->you or anyone you know in the OpenBSD community needs
> ->some extra cash and fits the below profile, perhaps
> ->you can forward this message to them.
> ->
> ->Job: Set up software on OpenBSD laptop
> ->Start: ASAP - Early January
> ->Duration: 5 - 12 hours, at your convenience
> ->Qualifications: Know KDE, FVWM well.  Be able to 
> ->internationalize KDE (or offer internationalized 
> ->alternatives).  Crypto/security competence a plus.
> ->Salary: Name it
> ->
> ->I would like to use OpenBSD for my field laptop, but
> ->with no nix experience it is taking me too long to
> ->figure out how to install and configure the software. 
> ->I'm inviting someone with experience running OpenBSD
> ->for office (email, spreadsheet, etc) purposes to come
> ->in and install/configure software on my laptop.  The
> ->specific requirements are listed below.  I'm looking
> ->for someone who knows this stuff well; I'll look over
> ->their shoulder taking notes.  I would expect that they
> ->run OpenBSD currently on one or more of their systems.
> ->
> ->a.  Email.
> ->Text-based client such as Mutt is fine.  Must be able
> ->to handle POP/IMAP over SSL and text in Arabic, Farsi,
> ->Chinese, and Russian.  Import my old messages (mbox
> ->format) and integrate with PGP/GPG.
> ->
> ->b.  PIM/Office Software
> ->KOffice is great, but I need to add Arabic, Persian,
> ->Chinese, and Russian fonts and need to be able to
> ->store address/calendar information in those languages.
> -> Need to be able to print hi-res text in said
> ->languages, create PDFs with characters from said
> ->languages.
> ->
> ->c.  Web Design
> ->Install web design software that is usable by beginner
> ->(have used the Macromedia packages, but understand
> ->they're not available for *nix).  Nothing fancy, just
> ->optimize images for web display and do basic layout.
> ->
> ->d.  Sound
> ->I am using a Toshiba Portege 7010CT.  Need to get
> ->sound functional if possible (maestro2e) -- import and
> ->export .mp3s to/from cassette tape and/or radio.  May
> ->involve enabling drivers in kernel or playing with
> ->BIOS.  
> ->
> ->e.  fvwm
> ->Configure the thing so that my windows aren't
> ->unbearably ugly.
> ->
> ->f.  Crypto
> ->Configure software to encrypt selected directories. 
> ->(I am aware that OpenBSD doesn't have the best 
> ->partion-encryption functionality.)
> ->
> ->g.  Wireless/Modem
> ->Get Cisco 350 aironet pcmcia card up and running,
> ->recommend modem card and get PPP functional.
> ->
> ->Name your salary.  I prefer to pay for results as
> ->opposed to by the hour.  This is a pretty basic job
> ->but you'll need to work quickly (or cheaply, take your
> ->pick) and show me what you're doing.  I can meet you
> ->anywhere in NY or DC or points between.  
> ->
> ->__________________________________
> ->Do you Yahoo!?
> ->New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. 
> http://photos.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From carlyle1789  Sun Dec 28 08:14:14 2003
From: carlyle1789 (Thomas Carlyle)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 05:14:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Temp Job
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAA7Fm17aZZpUOhRCBSvT9/zwEAAAAA@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20031228131414.80463.qmail@web41315.mail.yahoo.com>


Sounds good.  I'll drop you a line off-list.

Best,
tmc

--- "G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net> wrote:
> i'm up for this thomas.
> 
> i have mostly freebsd experience on laptops, but
> lots of openbsd as well
> in general.
> 
> it's hard to price out right off the bat, but
> there's nothing outlandish
> here for me that you've listed. . .
> 
> are you in nyc?
> 
> you can call me at 917-968-1900 anytime. . .
> 
> g
> 
> ->-----Original Message-----
> ->From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org 
> ->[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf
> Of Thomas Carlyle
> ->Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:18 PM
> ->To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
> ->Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Temp Job
> ->
> ->
> ->Hi,
> ->
> ->I'm a BSD newbie with a request which I hope will
> be 
> ->appropriate for this list:  
> ->
> ->I need to hire some short-term OpenBSD expertise. 
> If
> ->you or anyone you know in the OpenBSD community
> needs
> ->some extra cash and fits the below profile,
> perhaps
> ->you can forward this message to them.


__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing.
http://photos.yahoo.com/



From george  Sun Dec 28 13:06:25 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:06:25 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Temp Job
In-Reply-To: <20031227195742.0db2bf95.mspitze1@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAhJ9sS6DqM0utfmLfODhdIgEAAAAA@sddi.net>

i have to watch those triple negatives. but i think i made my point.

;-)

g

->-----Original Message-----
->From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org 
->[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Spitzer
->Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 7:58 PM
->To: General discussion
->Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Temp Job
->
->
->On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:53:11 -0500
->"G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net> wrote:
->
->> and btw, i don't think anything *isn't* inappropriate for this list 
->> right now. . .except for the lack of traffic.
->
->Real jobs are always proper.
->
->marc
->
->> 
->> ;-)
->> 
->> g
->> 
->> ->-----Original Message-----
->> ->From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org
->> ->[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Carlyle
->> ->Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:18 PM
->> ->To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
->> ->Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Temp Job
->> ->
->> ->
->> ->Hi,
->> ->
->> ->I'm a BSD newbie with a request which I hope will be
->> ->appropriate for this list:  
->> ->
->> ->I need to hire some short-term OpenBSD expertise.  If
->> ->you or anyone you know in the OpenBSD community needs
->> ->some extra cash and fits the below profile, perhaps
->> ->you can forward this message to them.
->> ->
->> ->Job: Set up software on OpenBSD laptop
->> ->Start: ASAP - Early January
->> ->Duration: 5 - 12 hours, at your convenience
->> ->Qualifications: Know KDE, FVWM well.  Be able to
->> ->internationalize KDE (or offer internationalized 
->> ->alternatives).  Crypto/security competence a plus.
->> ->Salary: Name it
->> ->
->> ->I would like to use OpenBSD for my field laptop, but
->> ->with no nix experience it is taking me too long to
->> ->figure out how to install and configure the software.
->> ->I'm inviting someone with experience running OpenBSD
->> ->for office (email, spreadsheet, etc) purposes to come
->> ->in and install/configure software on my laptop.  The
->> ->specific requirements are listed below.  I'm looking
->> ->for someone who knows this stuff well; I'll look over
->> ->their shoulder taking notes.  I would expect that they
->> ->run OpenBSD currently on one or more of their systems.
->> ->
->> ->a.  Email.
->> ->Text-based client such as Mutt is fine.  Must be able
->> ->to handle POP/IMAP over SSL and text in Arabic, Farsi, 
->Chinese, and 
->> ->Russian.  Import my old messages (mbox
->> ->format) and integrate with PGP/GPG.
->> ->
->> ->b.  PIM/Office Software
->> ->KOffice is great, but I need to add Arabic, Persian, Chinese, and 
->> ->Russian fonts and need to be able to store address/calendar 
->> ->information in those languages.  Need to be able to print hi-res 
->> ->text in said languages, create PDFs with characters from said
->> ->languages.
->> ->
->> ->c.  Web Design
->> ->Install web design software that is usable by beginner (have used 
->> ->the Macromedia packages, but understand they're not available for 
->> ->*nix).  Nothing fancy, just optimize images for web 
->display and do 
->> ->basic layout.
->> ->
->> ->d.  Sound
->> ->I am using a Toshiba Portege 7010CT.  Need to get
->> ->sound functional if possible (maestro2e) -- import and 
->export .mp3s 
->> ->to/from cassette tape and/or radio.  May involve enabling 
->drivers in 
->> ->kernel or playing with BIOS.
->> ->
->> ->e.  fvwm
->> ->Configure the thing so that my windows aren't
->> ->unbearably ugly.
->> ->
->> ->f.  Crypto
->> ->Configure software to encrypt selected directories.
->> ->(I am aware that OpenBSD doesn't have the best 
->> ->partion-encryption functionality.)
->> ->
->> ->g.  Wireless/Modem
->> ->Get Cisco 350 aironet pcmcia card up and running,
->> ->recommend modem card and get PPP functional.
->> ->
->> ->Name your salary.  I prefer to pay for results as
->> ->opposed to by the hour.  This is a pretty basic job
->> ->but you'll need to work quickly (or cheaply, take your
->> ->pick) and show me what you're doing.  I can meet you 
->anywhere in NY 
->> ->or DC or points between.
->> ->
->> ->__________________________________
->> ->Do you Yahoo!?
->> ->New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing.
->> http://photos.yahoo.com/ 
->> _______________________________________________
->> talk mailing list
->> talk at lists.nycbug.org http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
->> 
->> _______________________________________________
->> talk mailing list
->> talk at lists.nycbug.org http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
->_______________________________________________
->talk mailing list
->talk at lists.nycbug.org http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
->




From welsh_michael  Sun Dec 28 13:12:26 2003
From: welsh_michael (Michael Welsh)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:12:26 +0000
Subject: [nycbug-talk] first post (mine anyway)
Message-ID: <Law10-F744sQgdm1LEb000613de@hotmail.com>

Nice buggers,
I finally installed BSD... may I walk among you now?
Michael

p.s.  I took some notes... see attached, if interested.

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From hans  Sun Dec 28 21:07:29 2003
From: hans (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:07:29 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] happy holidays . . .
Message-ID: <688BD1502D7CA547800722B3501F62BB59D53A@ms03.mailstreet2003.net>


Happy holidays as well... just getting back and caught up on stuff.
Looking forward to '04, meeting this week (although my schedule will be
tight) and the BOF

H

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org] On Behalf Of G. Rosamond
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:43 PM
> To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
> Subject: [nycbug-talk] happy holidays . . .
> 
> happy holidays to everyone.
> 
> nice to see michael made it to the list.  welcome.
> 
> look forward to working with all of you in the new year, making the
> nycbug project a success.
> 
> as we are looking at the bof meeting on january 22nd, i 
> propose that we
> meet again for a second planning meeting the week of january 5th, to
> make sure everything is in place.
> 
> i guess marc, aron, wes, fence post, etc need to fill us in 
> on details.
> 
> fyi, bruce schneier is speaking at the 92nd street Y on january 11th.
> there were details in this month's crypto-gram mailing.  check out his
> site for more info.
> 
> let's get this together and make it a success.
> 
> g
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> 



From hans  Sun Dec 28 21:08:56 2003
From: hans (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 21:08:56 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] first post (mine anyway)
Message-ID: <688BD1502D7CA547800722B3501F62BB59D53B@ms03.mailstreet2003.net>


Hey Michael,

> Nice buggers,
> I finally installed BSD... may I walk among you now?
> Michael
> 
> p.s.  I took some notes... see attached, if interested.

NYPHP is setting up a general CMS for people to maintain notes and
articles - it'll be up at http://community.nyphp.org shortly.  I'd have
no problem putting BSD stuff up there, and these notes might be a good
start.  If anyone is interested, let me know and I'll keep you in the
loop when the CMS is online (within a day or two).

H



From george  Mon Dec 29 16:20:27 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:20:27 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] final planning meeting
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAJr/JCixg9UmvH28esX7dfgEAAAAA@sddi.net>

i think we need to have a final planning meeting to tie up loose ends
for the linux expo bof & tabling, plus the first meeting.

it should probably be next week.

how is tuesday, jan 6?

for those new to the list, we held a planning meeting in december, and
are planning to have a birds of a feather meeting at linux expo and have
fliers for our first meeting, which will be held on feb 4th on openbsd
security.

g




From aron  Mon Dec 29 16:23:42 2003
From: aron (Aron Roberts)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:23:42 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] final planning meeting
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I'm not sure, I'll be busy watching the macworld keynote over and over 
again ;)



G. Rosamond wrote:

>i think we need to have a final planning meeting to tie up loose ends
>for the linux expo bof & tabling, plus the first meeting.
>
>it should probably be next week.
>
>how is tuesday, jan 6?
>
>for those new to the list, we held a planning meeting in december, and
>are planning to have a birds of a feather meeting at linux expo and have
>fliers for our first meeting, which will be held on feb 4th on openbsd
>security.
>
>g
>
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From welsh_michael  Mon Dec 29 16:56:49 2003
From: welsh_michael (Michael Welsh)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:56:49 +0000
Subject: [nycbug-talk] final planning meeting
Message-ID: <Law10-F72XNjZTAPpYC000641e2@hotmail.com>


Tuesday, January 6 is good with me.  Do you have a time and place?



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From mspitze1  Mon Dec 29 18:06:43 2003
From: mspitze1 (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:06:43 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] final planning meeting
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:56:49 +0000
Michael Welsh <welsh_michael at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Tuesday, January 6 is good with me.  Do you have a time and place?

works for me but please no more smoke filled rooms.

marc

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From klimenta  Mon Dec 29 20:12:35 2003
From: klimenta (Kliment Andreev)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 01:12:35 -0000
Subject: [nycbug-talk] final planning meeting
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> Tuesday, January 6 is good with me.  Do you have a time and place?

> works for me but please no more smoke filled rooms.

Sounds good...





From george  Tue Dec 30 09:40:46 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:40:46 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] final planning meeting
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->> Tuesday, January 6 is good with me.  Do you have a time and place?

wes, how about using your space as a test run?  how is 6:30 pm?

->works for me but please no more smoke filled rooms.

did you go to bars before last march?




From hans  Tue Dec 30 10:28:54 2003
From: hans (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:28:54 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] final planning meeting
Message-ID: <688BD1502D7CA547800722B3501F62BB59D842@ms03.mailstreet2003.net>


> ->> Tuesday, January 6 is good with me.  Do you have a time and place?
> 
> wes, how about using your space as a test run?  how is 6:30 pm?

That date/time coordinate works for me, and any location.

H



From mspitze1  Tue Dec 30 10:34:14 2003
From: mspitze1 (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:34:14 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] final planning meeting
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:40:46 -0500
"G. Rosamond" <george at sddi.net> wrote:

> ->> Tuesday, January 6 is good with me.  Do you have a time and place?
> 
> wes, how about using your space as a test run?  how is 6:30 pm?
> 
> ->works for me but please no more smoke filled rooms.
> 
> did you go to bars before last march?

not often and when I did I used to smoke in them.  But it
bothers me now that I am no longer used to it.

marc


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From welsh_michael  Wed Dec 31 16:01:31 2003
From: welsh_michael (Michael Welsh)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:01:31 +0000
Subject: [nycbug-talk] What's the point
Message-ID: <Law10-F103nHJj8a5wY00006abe@hotmail.com>

All,

I was talking to a friend of mine today...I was excited about loading BSD on 
my laptop.  I was telling him how well the sysinstall program worked and how 
easy it was to load desktop software like X and OpenBox3.  Once I got 
Mozilla-Firebird and a few other apps installed, I had it in a pretty usable 
state.  I was telling him how I had CVSUP'd and poked around the ports tree 
a bit.  I have already recompiled a GENERIC kernel, working up the courage 
to do some serious tweaking.

He stopped me, "What's the point?  You had a perfectly good linux 
installation on there.  And I DO NOT want to get into a license argument 
right now."

I probably laid it on too thick when I replied, "Leaning is the journey and 
knowledge is the destination."

He smirked at this... and I let it go.  "True, the laptop was fine the way 
it was, but, I did it for the experience for when I load BSD onto a server." 
  I went over some points why I believed BSD was a good thing.. including 
long development history, strong community, reputation for security and 
reliability, great documentation, ease of installation, ease of maintenance 
and use... I included little bonuses like the quick boot and quick shutdown 
times that I especially like for my laptop.  It also 'appears' to run really 
fast.  In the end I am not sure I did BSD the justice it deserved.

Open question for the list:  How would you answer, "What's the point?"  Not 
necessarily for a laptop, but in general... Why BSD?

Michael


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From george  Wed Dec 31 16:28:27 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:28:27 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] What's the point
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->I was talking to a friend of mine today...I was excited about 
->loading BSD on 
->my laptop.  I was telling him how well the sysinstall program 
->worked and how 
->easy it was to load desktop software like X and OpenBox3.  Once I got 
->Mozilla-Firebird and a few other apps installed, I had it in 
->a pretty usable 
->state.  I was telling him how I had CVSUP'd and poked around 
->the ports tree 
->a bit.  I have already recompiled a GENERIC kernel, working 
->up the courage 
->to do some serious tweaking.

what is the make and model of laptop?

these are some good laptop related links:

http://www.zapatec.com/freebsd/laptop/

http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~dkulp/fbsd/laptop.html


->I probably laid it on too thick when I replied, "Leaning is 
->the journey and 
->knowledge is the destination."

it's good to have a philosopher in nycbug.

->He smirked at this... and I let it go.  "True, the laptop was 
->fine the way 
->it was, but, I did it for the experience for when I load BSD 
->onto a server." 
->  I went over some points why I believed BSD was a good 
->thing.. including 
->long development history, strong community, reputation for 
->security and 
->reliability, great documentation, ease of installation, ease 
->of maintenance 
->and use... I included little bonuses like the quick boot and 
->quick shutdown 
->times that I especially like for my laptop.  It also 
->'appears' to run really 
->fast.  In the end I am not sure I did BSD the justice it deserved.

sums it up for me. . .

->Open question for the list:  How would you answer, "What's 
->the point?"  Not 
->necessarily for a laptop, but in general... Why BSD?

simply, it's security, reliability, performance.

it's why so many isp's choose it.

it's why so many embedded systems are on it.

why so the best of hardware manufacturers use it.

to be honest, for me personally, i first installed linux (redhat,
caldera) in 1998 and wasn't happy about the relation between the kernel
and the distro's. . .there shouldn't be a wall there.  it relates back
to security, stability and performance.

i can't say i had an easy time at first with bsd (openbsd, at first),
but i had only a light unix background (vi, light sendmail, etc).

what i learned in the process of learning bsd was that little was hacked
together.  i'm not a developer, and need to rely on the insight of
others for hardware, etc.  from the long list of architectures supported
by netbsd to the evolution of pf in openbsd, and to the great strides
that seem to have been made with 5.x with freebsd, i find it impressive
in its regular accomplishments.

there's also a seriousness in the bsd world that doesn't seem to exist
in other worlds.  the bsd family is not filled with bragging but
inadequate techs who just know the lingo of their os and nothing else.

phew.

happy new year to all.

g




From welsh_michael  Wed Dec 31 18:33:28 2003
From: welsh_michael (Michael Welsh)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:33:28 +0000
Subject: [nycbug-talk] What's the point
Message-ID: <Law10-F98niSnRMWuLn0004a665@hotmail.com>

Hey George,
Thanks for the links - and the insight !
Michael




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From george  Wed Dec 10 19:01:37 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:01:37 -0000
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FW: meeting space
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our first official message. . .

wes, that would be great.  if b/w your father and hans we can't get it
done, then we'll deal from there. . .your space should be fine for feb
4. . .

g


Um... my father teaches at NYU Stern, but it's tough for him to simply
get us a space -- they're pretty tight on space (and they do night
classes too). What he'll do is talk to some of the full-time profs and
see if anyone is interested in sponsoring it, or if we can hook up with
a campus group, etc. That said, keep pursuing other avenues, this might
take a while/not pan out.

We can use our offices in the meanwhile, until we get space constrained.

Wes

> go for it. . .
>
> i can understand the problems though.
>
> g
>
> ->-----Original Message-----
> ->From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.com]
> ->Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:57 PM
> ->To: george at sddi.net
> ->Cc: wes at sonnenreich.com; Hans Zaunere; 'Michael Welsh'; 'Aron 
> ->Roberts'; 'Kliment Andreev'; 'Marc Spitzer'
> ->Subject: Re: centrino. . .and sth else.
> ->
> ->
> ->
> ->> but i think the nyu idea is best. . .
> ->>
> ->> we don't have any nyu *students*, but. . .HANS. . .
> ->
> ->They're pretty sticky about it, especially since 9/11.  I've tried 
> ->to get some space for NYPHP and haven't gotten the best of 
> ->responses.  This might, however, be a nice opportunity to try again,

> ->so I'll give it a shot.
> ->
> ->H
> ->
>




From george  Wed Dec 10 19:05:12 2003
From: george (G. Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:05:12 -0000
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FW: meeting space
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAPGTn3jE8jEyddWJf/oR4JcKAAAAQAAAAWjcfeyeNdkqGHaLHoUPJpQEAAAAA@sddi.net>

our first official message. . .

wes, that would be great.  if b/w your father and hans we can't get it
done, then we'll deal from there. . .your space should be fine for feb
4. . .

g

-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Sonnenreich [mailto:wes at sonnenreich.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:40 PM
To: george at sddi.net
Cc: 'Hans Zaunere'; 'Hans Zaunere'; 'Michael Welsh'; 'Aron Roberts';
'Kliment Andreev'; 'Marc Spitzer'
Subject: RE: meeting space


Um... my father teaches at NYU Stern, but it's tough for him to simply
get us a space -- they're pretty tight on space (and they do night
classes too). What he'll do is talk to some of the full-time profs and
see if anyone is interested in sponsoring it, or if we can hook up with
a campus group, etc. That said, keep pursuing other avenues, this might
take a while/not pan out.

We can use our offices in the meanwhile, until we get space constrained.

Wes

> go for it. . .
>
> i can understand the problems though.
>
> g
>
> ->-----Original Message-----
> ->From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.com]
> ->Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:57 PM
> ->To: george at sddi.net
> ->Cc: wes at sonnenreich.com; Hans Zaunere; 'Michael Welsh'; 'Aron 
> ->Roberts'; 'Kliment Andreev'; 'Marc Spitzer'
> ->Subject: Re: centrino. . .and sth else.
> ->
> ->
> ->
> ->> but i think the nyu idea is best. . .
> ->>
> ->> we don't have any nyu *students*, but. . .HANS. . .
> ->
> ->They're pretty sticky about it, especially since 9/11.  I've tried 
> ->to get some space for NYPHP and haven't gotten the best of 
> ->responses.  This might, however, be a nice opportunity to try again,

> ->so I'll give it a shot.
> ->
> ->H
> ->
>