[nycbug-talk] review of "state of demon address"

Bob Ippolito bob
Wed Oct 20 03:46:45 EDT 2004

On Oct 20, 2004, at 2:37, Isaac Levy wrote:

> Hey George,
> On Oct 19, 2004, at 7:35 PM, G. Rosamond wrote:
>> if i get some positive comments here, i will submit to the nycbug 
>> site.  There's nothing wrong with us putting up pieces like this in 
>> our library section, IMHO.
>> yes, i write compulsively and i did not even reread this.
>> *	*	*	*
> Yo- I'd ask that you not post this (well written) rebuttal to the 
> site, UNTIL, you read the response Dru gave me last month here:
> http://tinyurl.com/4tl3p
> -or-
> http://lists.nycbug.org/pipermail/talk/2004-September/002754.html
> While I agree with 99% of what you wrote, (sup' with whimping out on 
> the Darwin section Gman?, [it's equally, insultingly, lame with 
> disinformation]), I think your time could be better spent directly 
> writing about *BSD stuff, SOLID, INFORMED, and TRUSTED information.  
> Where's the pages we can point to which explain the culture, 
> development cycles, and strengths of the various *BSD's?  (And explain 
> why they're not 'distros'.)

Other points of improvement are symmetric multi-threading (SMT), NetBSD 
and OpenBSD binary support, next-generation on-the-fly file 
de-fragmentation, integration of TrustedBSD security hooks, support for 
Java 1.5, XHTML 2.0 and CSS 3.0, and a myriad of minor improvements 
sure to make thousands of developers and end-users happy. Clearly, 
Darwin is the most inclusive and feature-complete BSD -- and, indeed, 
UNIX -- out there.

Ok, I'll bite.  First of all, since when does Darwin support NetBSD and 
OpenBSD binaries?  I would be pretty surprised if this was the case, I 
sure didn't notice.  Not that it would do you much good anyway.  I 
heard that NetBSD (perhaps it was FreeBSD) has a compatibility layer 
*to* Darwin, but not *from* Darwin.  As for TrustedBSD security hooks, 
that at least sounds reasonable, but I haven't heard anything about it 
either way.  Java 1.5, XHTML, and CSS related software IS NOT PART OF 
DARWIN FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, that shit ONLY ships with OS X proper.


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