From lists  Tue Nov  1 11:07:48 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:07:48 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] iso image
Message-ID: <20051101110748.724489a0@genoverly.com>

I have downloaded iso's to my harddrive and created hardcopy CD's
countless times.  But, how do I do the reverse on OpenBSD?  How do I
create an iso image on disk from a CD I already have?

Michael



From okan  Tue Nov  1 11:12:12 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:12:12 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] iso image
In-Reply-To: <20051101110748.724489a0@genoverly.com>
References: <20051101110748.724489a0@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <20051101161212.GA63741@yinaska.pair.com>

On Tue 2005.11.01 at 11:07 -0500, michael wrote:
> I have downloaded iso's to my harddrive and created hardcopy CD's
> countless times.  But, how do I do the reverse on OpenBSD?  How do I
> create an iso image on disk from a CD I already have?

dd(1)




From anthony.elizondo  Tue Nov  1 11:17:09 2005
From: anthony.elizondo (Anthony Elizondo)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:17:09 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] iso image
In-Reply-To: <20051101110748.724489a0@genoverly.com>
References: <20051101110748.724489a0@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <a49e62c80511010817i3a22459bubcff6f434f9219e3@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/1/05, michael <lists at genoverly.net> wrote:
> I have downloaded iso's to my harddrive and created hardcopy CD's
> countless times.  But, how do I do the reverse on OpenBSD?  How do I
> create an iso image on disk from a CD I already have?

Look into mkisofs, part of the cdrecord package.

http://www.arch.cam.ac.uk/~dir21/OpenBSD/cd.html

> Michael

Anthony Elizondo

P.S. Hope to see everyone tomorrow at the meeting, if work doesn't intrude.



From cclymer  Tue Nov  1 14:48:32 2005
From: cclymer (Chris Clymer)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:48:32 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] New FreeBSD logo
Message-ID: <4367C690.3030205@chrisclymer.com>

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I'm assuming that by now most of you have seen this:
http://logo-contest.freebsd.org.nyud.net:8090/result/640-1.png

I'm not much of a fan of this myself...I'm not really sure why some of
the BSD distros have this recent concern over more supposedly
corporate-friendly logos.  Maybe some of you can enlighten me and share
some anecdotes about having issues with the daemon in corporate settings?
- --
          Chris Clymer - Chris at ChrisClymer.com
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From matt  Tue Nov  1 17:29:47 2005
From: matt (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:29:47 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fbsd orb?
Message-ID: <9a1bdb308621af25f302ba8307fcef26@jobsforge.com>


I'm almost scared to ask as if someone told a joke and I'm the only one 
who didn't get it.
But what is that new logo? I see they are horns I guess on an orb.

http://logo-contest.freebsd.org./result/640-1.png




From okan  Tue Nov  1 17:33:42 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:33:42 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fbsd orb?
In-Reply-To: <9a1bdb308621af25f302ba8307fcef26@jobsforge.com>
References: <9a1bdb308621af25f302ba8307fcef26@jobsforge.com>
Message-ID: <20051101223342.GH56827@yinaska.pair.com>

On Tue 2005.11.01 at 17:29 -0500, Matthew Terenzio wrote:
> 
> I'm almost scared to ask as if someone told a joke and I'm the only one 
> who didn't get it.
> But what is that new logo? I see they are horns I guess on an orb.
> 
> http://logo-contest.freebsd.org./result/640-1.png

i shouldn't comment, but aren't there bigger issues to solve? 



From matt  Tue Nov  1 21:16:42 2005
From: matt (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:16:42 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fbsd orb?
In-Reply-To: <20051101223342.GH56827@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <9a1bdb308621af25f302ba8307fcef26@jobsforge.com>
	<20051101223342.GH56827@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <f2d3a320fd492f7b72fef1c7830727c8@jobsforge.com>


On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:33 PM, Okan Demirmen wrote:

>> http://logo-contest.freebsd.org./result/640-1.png
>
> i shouldn't comment, but aren't there bigger issues to solve?

Yeah, why? Do you only discuss issues that are deemed big enough to be 
in the grand high exalted technology canon?




From george  Tue Nov  1 21:56:53 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:56:53 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fbsd orb?
In-Reply-To: <f2d3a320fd492f7b72fef1c7830727c8@jobsforge.com>
References: <9a1bdb308621af25f302ba8307fcef26@jobsforge.com>	<20051101223342.GH56827@yinaska.pair.com>
	<f2d3a320fd492f7b72fef1c7830727c8@jobsforge.com>
Message-ID: <43682AF5.3020607@sddi.net>

Matthew Terenzio wrote:
> 
> On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:33 PM, Okan Demirmen wrote:
> 
>>> http://logo-contest.freebsd.org./result/640-1.png
>>
>>
>> i shouldn't comment, but aren't there bigger issues to solve?
> 
> 
> Yeah, why? Do you only discuss issues that are deemed big enough to be 
> in the grand high exalted technology canon?

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory 
messages on the internet, such as on online discussion forums, to 
disrupt the discussion or to upset its participants. The word, or its 
derivative, "trolling", is also used to describe such messages or the 
act of posting them.

now let's play nice everyone . . .

g
(list master)



From mhernandez  Wed Nov  2 07:21:28 2005
From: mhernandez (Mike Hernandez)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:21:28 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fbsd orb?
In-Reply-To: <f2d3a320fd492f7b72fef1c7830727c8@jobsforge.com>
References: <9a1bdb308621af25f302ba8307fcef26@jobsforge.com>
	<20051101223342.GH56827@yinaska.pair.com>
	<f2d3a320fd492f7b72fef1c7830727c8@jobsforge.com>
Message-ID: <20051102122127.GA26654@dementia>

On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 09:16:42PM -0500, Matthew Terenzio wrote:
> 
> On Nov 1, 2005, at 5:33 PM, Okan Demirmen wrote:
> 
> >>http://logo-contest.freebsd.org./result/640-1.png
> >
> >i shouldn't comment, but aren't there bigger issues to solve?
> 
> Yeah, why? Do you only discuss issues that are deemed big enough to be 
> in the grand high exalted technology canon?
>

I just hope this thread doesn't turn into the flamewar going on @ freebsd-questions.
IMHO the logo is quite unimportant. But I'm not a marketing exec, I just use the OS.

Mike H 



From lists  Wed Nov  2 09:00:06 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:00:06 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] simple dns needs
Message-ID: <20051102090006.5f884215@genoverly.com>

I have a client that needs some DNS entries but really doesn't need a
full blown bind installation.  Most of the time, for small cases like
this, just setting entry at the registrar is enough, but this is
different.  

They are mirroring their website at several locations in N. America and
a few internationally.  The functionality needed is round robin style
hits on the web servers to reduce load and provide failover if one is
down.

I have successfully used zonedit.com service in the past.   This seems
simple enough and covers the requirements.  Before I implement it, can
anyone else provide success/horror stories with that service.. or even a
different solution?

Michael



From lists  Wed Nov  2 09:10:39 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:10:39 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fbsd orb?
In-Reply-To: <20051102122127.GA26654@dementia>
References: <9a1bdb308621af25f302ba8307fcef26@jobsforge.com>
	<20051101223342.GH56827@yinaska.pair.com>
	<f2d3a320fd492f7b72fef1c7830727c8@jobsforge.com>
	<20051102122127.GA26654@dementia>
Message-ID: <20051102091039.77147371@genoverly.com>

On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:21:28 -0500
Mike Hernandez <mhernandez at ocsny.com> wrote:

> I just hope this thread doesn't turn into the flamewar going on @
> freebsd-questions. IMHO the logo is quite unimportant. But I'm not a
> marketing exec, I just use the OS.

I agree.  This is no bid deal.  The developers really didn't take too
much time away from their coding to create it; they farmed it out.  

So they have a now look; big whoop.  If your best friend got a new hair
cut, they would still be your best friend.. they just look a little
different.  You may not like it, but you certainly would not force them
to wear their hair they way *you* want.. you'd embrace their freedom of
choice and try to get used to it.

Michael



From chsnyder  Wed Nov  2 09:16:41 2005
From: chsnyder (csnyder)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:16:41 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fbsd orb?
In-Reply-To: <9a1bdb308621af25f302ba8307fcef26@jobsforge.com>
References: <9a1bdb308621af25f302ba8307fcef26@jobsforge.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690511020616q6cf6e808i245f988f432d957a@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/1/05, Matthew Terenzio <matt at jobsforge.com> wrote:
>
> I'm almost scared to ask as if someone told a joke and I'm the only one
> who didn't get it.
> But what is that new logo? I see they are horns I guess on an orb.
>
> http://logo-contest.freebsd.org./result/640-1.png

In design theory, abstraction provides an avenue for people to map
their own ideas and preferences onto a logo. Too much detail, and they
will find something to object to. But give them a smooth surface, and
they can see anything they're looking for.

The orb is a simple, clean logo, very much in keeping with
straightforwardness of the OS. It has a playful side, but the level of
abstraction will allow pinhead CEOs to see elements of Apple where you
or I see elements of Beastie.

I love that it's transparent -- open, one might say -- and that you
can see that there is a system within the system (the orb within the
orb: the kernel, perhaps? or a shell?). The horns appear through two
open ports, a metaphor that any of us will understand.

I'm sure this logo is controversial within the community of core
users, engineers who have a well-deserved distrust of marketing and
visual slickness. But FreeBSD is a great product. The orb speaks to
that on many levels, without being overly corporate or completely
abstract. The designer has done a remarkable job.


--
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From mikel.king  Wed Nov  2 09:33:26 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:33:26 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fbsd orb?
In-Reply-To: <b76252690511020616q6cf6e808i245f988f432d957a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a1bdb308621af25f302ba8307fcef26@jobsforge.com>
	<b76252690511020616q6cf6e808i245f988f432d957a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2847C66D-B419-4AB4-B855-9D346301EC9F@ocsny.com>


On Nov 2, 2005, at 9:16 AM, csnyder wrote:

> On 11/1/05, Matthew Terenzio <matt at jobsforge.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm almost scared to ask as if someone told a joke and I'm the  
>> only one
>> who didn't get it.
>> But what is that new logo? I see they are horns I guess on an orb.
>>
>> http://logo-contest.freebsd.org./result/640-1.png
>
> In design theory, abstraction provides an avenue for people to map
> their own ideas and preferences onto a logo. Too much detail, and they
> will find something to object to. But give them a smooth surface, and
> they can see anything they're looking for.
>
> The orb is a simple, clean logo, very much in keeping with
> straightforwardness of the OS. It has a playful side, but the level of
> abstraction will allow pinhead CEOs to see elements of Apple where you
> or I see elements of Beastie.
>
> I love that it's transparent -- open, one might say -- and that you
> can see that there is a system within the system (the orb within the
> orb: the kernel, perhaps? or a shell?). The horns appear through two
> open ports, a metaphor that any of us will understand.
>
> I'm sure this logo is controversial within the community of core
> users, engineers who have a well-deserved distrust of marketing and
> visual slickness. But FreeBSD is a great product. The orb speaks to
> that on many levels, without being overly corporate or completely
> abstract. The designer has done a remarkable job.
>
>
> --
> Chris Snyder
> http://chxo.com/


Ok not to waste much more bandwidth here but I agree for my purposes  
the logo is unimportant. Still the same great bsd inside. On the  
other hand some of what Chris says here makes sense, one would almost  
think he designed it himself...;-)

Maybe though it will make it easier to convince the pinheads to adopt  
bsd over something else. Sad as that sounds I guess it's a positive.

In either case it's something to drink to...

Cheers,
Mikel King
CIO, Director of Network Operations
Optimized Computer Solutions, INC
Tech Alliance, INC
39 West Fourteenth Street
Second Floor
New York, NY 10011
http://www.ocsny.com
http://www.techally.com
t: 212.727.2100x132
+------------------------------------------+
How do you spell cooperation? Pessimists use
each other, but optimists help each other.
Collaboration feeds your spirit, while
competition only stokes your ego. You'll
find the best way to get along.
+------------------------------------------+







From george  Wed Nov  2 09:39:46 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:39:46 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fbsd orb?
In-Reply-To: <2847C66D-B419-4AB4-B855-9D346301EC9F@ocsny.com>
References: <9a1bdb308621af25f302ba8307fcef26@jobsforge.com>	<b76252690511020616q6cf6e808i245f988f432d957a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2847C66D-B419-4AB4-B855-9D346301EC9F@ocsny.com>
Message-ID: <4368CFB2.6000306@sddi.net>

Mikel King wrote:
> 
> On Nov 2, 2005, at 9:16 AM, csnyder wrote:
> 
>> On 11/1/05, Matthew Terenzio <matt at jobsforge.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm almost scared to ask as if someone told a joke and I'm the  only one
>>> who didn't get it.
>>> But what is that new logo? I see they are horns I guess on an orb.
>>>
>>> http://logo-contest.freebsd.org./result/640-1.png
>>
>>
>> In design theory, abstraction provides an avenue for people to map
>> their own ideas and preferences onto a logo. Too much detail, and they
>> will find something to object to. But give them a smooth surface, and
>> they can see anything they're looking for.
>>
>> The orb is a simple, clean logo, very much in keeping with
>> straightforwardness of the OS. It has a playful side, but the level of
>> abstraction will allow pinhead CEOs to see elements of Apple where you
>> or I see elements of Beastie.
>>
>> I love that it's transparent -- open, one might say -- and that you
>> can see that there is a system within the system (the orb within the
>> orb: the kernel, perhaps? or a shell?). The horns appear through two
>> open ports, a metaphor that any of us will understand.
>>
>> I'm sure this logo is controversial within the community of core
>> users, engineers who have a well-deserved distrust of marketing and
>> visual slickness. But FreeBSD is a great product. The orb speaks to
>> that on many levels, without being overly corporate or completely
>> abstract. The designer has done a remarkable job.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Chris Snyder
>> http://chxo.com/
> 
> 
> 
> Ok not to waste much more bandwidth here but I agree for my purposes  
> the logo is unimportant. Still the same great bsd inside. On the  other 
> hand some of what Chris says here makes sense, one would almost  think 
> he designed it himself...;-)
> 
> Maybe though it will make it easier to convince the pinheads to adopt  
> bsd over something else. Sad as that sounds I guess it's a positive.
> 
> In either case it's something to drink to...
> 
> Cheers,
> Mikel King

Okay. . . this thread has shown some unfortunate resilience, so I think 
it's necessary to bring up some old history about the daemon. . . . a 
story that some may not have heard. . .



  Newsgroups: alt.humor.best-of-usenet
  Subject: [comp.org.usenix] A Great Daemon Story
  From: Rob Kolstad <kolstad at bsdi.com>
  Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
  Subject: A Great Daemon Story

     Linda Branagan is an expert on daemons. She has a T-shirt that 
sports the daemon in tennis shoes that appears on the cover of the 
4.3BSD manuals and The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD UNIX 
Operating System by S. Leffler, M. McKusick, M. Karels, J. Quarterman, 
Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Reading, MA 1989.

     She tells the following story about wearing the 4.3BSD daemon 
T-shirt: Last week I walked into a local ``home style cookin' 
restaurant/watering hole'' in Texas to pick up a take-out order. I spoke 
briefly to the waitress behind the counter, who told me my order would 
be done in a few minutes. So, while I was busy gazing at the farm 
implements hanging on the walls, I was approached by two ``natives.'' 
These guys might just be the original Texas rednecks.

     ``Pardon us, ma'am. Mind if we ask you a question?''

     Well, people keep telling me that Texans are real friendly, so I 
nodded.

     ``Are you a Satanist?''

     Well, at least they didn't ask me if I liked to party.

     ``Uh, no, I can't say that I am.''

     ``Gee, ma'am. Are you sure about that?'' they asked.

     I put on my biggest, brightest Dallas Cowboys cheerleader smile and 
said, ``No, I'm positive. The closest I've ever come to Satanism is 
watching Geraldo.''

     ``Hmmm. Interesting. See, we was just wondering why it is you have 
the lord of darkness on your chest there.''

     I was this close to slapping one of them and causing a scene--then 
I stopped and noticed the shirt I happened to be wearing that day. Sure 
enough, it had a picture of a small, devilish-looking creature that has 
for some time now been associated with a certain operating system. In 
this particular represen- tation, the creature was wearing sneakers.

     They continued: ``See, ma'am, we don't exactly appreciate it when 
people show off pictures of the devil. Especially when he's lookin' so 
friendly.''

     These idiots sounded terrifyingly serious.

     Me: ``Oh, well, see, this isn't really the devil, it's just, well, 
it's sort of a mascot.

     Native: ``And what kind of football team has the devil as a mascot?''

     Me: ``Oh, it's not a team. It's an operating--uh, a kind of 
computer.'' I figured that an ATM machine was about as much technology 
as these guys could handle, and I knew that if I so much as uttered the 
word ``UNIX'' I would only make things worse.

     Native: ``Where does this satanical computer come from?''

     Me: ``California. And there's nothing satanical about it really.''

     Somewhere along the line here, the waitress noticed my 
predicament--but these guys probably outweighed her by 600 pounds, so 
all she did was look at me sympathetically and run off into the kitchen.

     Native: ``Ma'am, I think you're lying. And we'd appreciate it if 
you'd leave the premises now.''

     Fortunately, the waitress returned that very instant with my order, 
and they agreed that it would be okay for me to actually pay for my food 
before I left. While I was at the cash register, they amused themselves 
by talking to each other.

     Native #1: ``Do you think the police know about these devil 
computers?''

     Native #2: ``If they come from California, then the FBI oughta know 
about 'em.''

     They escorted me to the door. I tried one last time: ``You're 
really blowing this all out of proportion. A lot of people use this 
`kind of computers.' Universities, researchers, businesses. They're 
actually very useful.''

     Big, big, big mistake. I should have guessed at what came next.

     Native: ``Does the government use these devil computers?''

     Me: ``Yes.''

     Another big boo-boo.

     Native: ``And does the government pay for 'em? With our tax dollars?''

     I decided that it was time to jump ship.

     Me: ``No. Nope. Not at all. Your tax dollars never entered the 
picture at all. I promise. No sir, not a penny. Our good Christian 
congressmen would never let something like that happen. Nope. Never. Bye.''

     Texas. What a country.



From nycbug  Wed Nov  2 10:52:43 2005
From: nycbug (Ray Lai)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:52:43 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] iso image
In-Reply-To: <20051101161212.GA63741@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <20051101110748.724489a0@genoverly.com>
	<20051101161212.GA63741@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20051102155242.GA18729@syntax.cyth.net>

On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 11:12:12AM -0500, Okan Demirmen wrote:
> On Tue 2005.11.01 at 11:07 -0500, michael wrote:
> > I have downloaded iso's to my harddrive and created hardcopy CD's
> > countless times.  But, how do I do the reverse on OpenBSD?  How do I
> > create an iso image on disk from a CD I already have?
> 
> dd(1)

It's more complicated than that.  I believe you have to do:

	$ sudo dd if=/dev/rcd0c bs=2048 > cd.iso

Using rcd instead of cd makes it go a lot faster.  bs=2048 for some
reason is necessary, otherwise it never stops.

This is from memory, though.  I think this should work; if not, try
doing:

	$ sudo disklabel cd0 | grep 'total sectors: ' | awk '{print $3}'

to find out the total number of sectors and feeding it to dd, like:

	$ sudo dd if=/dev/rcd0c bs=2048 count=$(command from above) > cd.iso

Last time I tried, I don't think the sector count step was necessary.

I hope this helps.

-Ray-

p.s. What's it like on other BSDs and Linux?



From tux  Wed Nov  2 11:17:55 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:17:55 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] simple dns needs
In-Reply-To: <20051102090006.5f884215@genoverly.com>
References: <20051102090006.5f884215@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <4368E6B3.7040502@penguinnetwerx.net>

michael wrote:
> I have a client that needs some DNS entries but really doesn't need a
> full blown bind installation.  Most of the time, for small cases like
> this, just setting entry at the registrar is enough, but this is
> different.  
> 
> They are mirroring their website at several locations in N. America and
> a few internationally.  The functionality needed is round robin style
> hits on the web servers to reduce load and provide failover if one is
> down.
> 
> I have successfully used zonedit.com service in the past.   This seems
> simple enough and covers the requirements.  Before I implement it, can
> anyone else provide success/horror stories with that service.. or even a
> different solution?

You can also try http://freedns.afraid.org

I've been using them for a number of years, and it r0x.

Kev

-- 
It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything 
runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?




From lists  Wed Nov  2 12:18:09 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:18:09 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] iso image
In-Reply-To: <20051102155242.GA18729@syntax.cyth.net>
References: <20051101110748.724489a0@genoverly.com>
	<20051101161212.GA63741@yinaska.pair.com>
	<20051102155242.GA18729@syntax.cyth.net>
Message-ID: <20051102121809.513968f0@genoverly.com>

On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:52:43 -0500
Ray Lai <nycbug at cyth.net> wrote:

> > On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 11:12:12AM -0500, Okan Demirmen wrote:
> > dd(1)
> 
> It's more complicated than that.  I believe you have to do:
> 
> 	$ sudo dd if=/dev/rcd0c bs=2048 > cd.iso
> 
> Using rcd instead of cd makes it go a lot faster.  bs=2048 for some
> reason is necessary, otherwise it never stops.

Ray,

Thanks, actually Okan's dd was the lightbulb I need.  You just confirmed
it.  bs=block size.  I also used the raw device but used dd's 'of':

dd if=/dev/rcd0c bs=2048 of=/path/to/file.iso

Michael



From o_sleep  Wed Nov  2 15:06:10 2005
From: o_sleep (Bjorn Nelson)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:06:10 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] simple dns needs
In-Reply-To: <20051102090006.5f884215@genoverly.com>
References: <20051102090006.5f884215@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <903E1681-FEEB-4F4E-9457-7E033C27D9F2@belovedarctos.com>

Michael,

On Nov 2, 2005, at 9:00 AM, michael wrote:

> I have a client that needs some DNS entries but really doesn't need a
> full blown bind installation.  Most of the time, for small cases like
> this, just setting entry at the registrar is enough, but this is
> different.
>
> They are mirroring their website at several locations in N. America  
> and
> a few internationally.  The functionality needed is round robin style
> hits on the web servers to reduce load and provide failover if one is
> down.
>
> I have successfully used zonedit.com service in the past.   This seems
> simple enough and covers the requirements.  Before I implement it, can
> anyone else provide success/horror stories with that service.. or  
> even a
> different solution?

I have been using granite canyon as a secondary.  You might want to  
take a look at it:
www.granitecanyon.com

-Bjorn



From lists  Wed Nov  2 16:49:10 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:49:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] simple dns needs
In-Reply-To: <20051102090006.5f884215@genoverly.com>
References: <20051102090006.5f884215@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <20051102164722.Y47943@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, michael wrote:

> I have successfully used zonedit.com service in the past.

I have been using Zoneedit for about 5 years (give or take) and so far not 
a single problem with the DNS serving. A couple of times their interface 
was down, but don't think it took them long to fix it.



From lists  Wed Nov  2 16:50:47 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:50:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] simple dns needs
In-Reply-To: <20051102090006.5f884215@genoverly.com>
References: <20051102090006.5f884215@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <20051102164935.X47943@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, michael wrote:

> I have successfully used zonedit.com service in the past.


Forgot to mention...
I have also used the backup MX feature of Zoneedit and it worked nicely 
too. Even for mail that I host at a provider, if the mail is important for 
a client, I setup backup MX at zoneedit.



From lists  Wed Nov  2 17:09:23 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:09:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] off site backup
In-Reply-To: <43657335.7000102@3phasecomputing.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0510301658470.5376-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
	<43657335.7000102@3phasecomputing.com>
Message-ID: <20051102170545.N47943@zoraida.natserv.net>

I think drive manufacturers are paying more attention to people who want 
to backup to disks.

There is  a new type of drives that target the "NearLine" market.. I 
don't totally understand the term myself, but here is what I gather so far..

Disks = online

Tape = offline

Nearline = Hard drives used to store backup data. Drives tend to have high 
capacity (400GB and up) and should be more durable than your average 
consumer model HD, but possibly less durable than server grade SCSI 
drives.



From lists  Wed Nov  2 17:13:13 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:13:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cacert and ssl crt's
In-Reply-To: <D4ADD7C5-82B9-44A4-90BD-DD3B0AA420F5@redivi.com>
References: <7288ABE2-56E6-46C4-A58D-27C6618AB2B4@tbwachiat.com>
	<D4ADD7C5-82B9-44A4-90BD-DD3B0AA420F5@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <20051102171257.X47943@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, Bob Ippolito wrote:

> I personally use cacert for that sort of thing.  It's actually easier than 
> remembering how to do a self-signed cert.


Any drawbacks to using cacert?



From lists  Wed Nov  2 17:16:04 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:16:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] New FreeBSD logo
In-Reply-To: <4367C690.3030205@chrisclymer.com>
References: <4367C690.3030205@chrisclymer.com>
Message-ID: <20051102171507.I47943@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Chris Clymer wrote:

> I'm not much of a fan of this myself

I don't like it. :-(
haven't seen the alternatives, but the one that won doesn't do it for me.



From bob  Wed Nov  2 18:21:24 2005
From: bob (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:21:24 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cacert and ssl crt's
In-Reply-To: <20051102171257.X47943@zoraida.natserv.net>
References: <7288ABE2-56E6-46C4-A58D-27C6618AB2B4@tbwachiat.com>
	<D4ADD7C5-82B9-44A4-90BD-DD3B0AA420F5@redivi.com>
	<20051102171257.X47943@zoraida.natserv.net>
Message-ID: <DF8407DE-D3AA-4947-A492-852F8F5CDDA9@redivi.com>


On Nov 2, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Francisco Reyes wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, Bob Ippolito wrote:
>
>
>> I personally use cacert for that sort of thing.  It's actually  
>> easier than remembering how to do a self-signed cert.
>>
>
>
> Any drawbacks to using cacert?

IIRC, if you don't have a bunch of assurance points, they expire in 1  
year instead of 3 I think..  that's just off the top of my head.  I  
have assurance points cause I was at the meeting that Duane spoke at  
so that disadvantage doesn't apply to me :)


-bob





From lists  Wed Nov  2 19:06:32 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:06:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cacert and ssl crt's
In-Reply-To: <DF8407DE-D3AA-4947-A492-852F8F5CDDA9@redivi.com>
References: <7288ABE2-56E6-46C4-A58D-27C6618AB2B4@tbwachiat.com>
	<D4ADD7C5-82B9-44A4-90BD-DD3B0AA420F5@redivi.com>
	<20051102171257.X47943@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<DF8407DE-D3AA-4947-A492-852F8F5CDDA9@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <20051102190534.J48694@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Bob Ippolito wrote:

>> Any drawbacks to using cacert?
>
> IIRC, if you don't have a bunch of assurance points, they expire in 1 year

Any members or the NYCBUG are able to certify others?

How many points does one need to get a server certificate. Didn't see that 
listed on their site.



From george  Wed Nov  2 21:09:50 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:09:50 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cacert and ssl crt's
In-Reply-To: <20051102190534.J48694@zoraida.natserv.net>
References: <7288ABE2-56E6-46C4-A58D-27C6618AB2B4@tbwachiat.com>
	<D4ADD7C5-82B9-44A4-90BD-DD3B0AA420F5@redivi.com>
	<20051102171257.X47943@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<DF8407DE-D3AA-4947-A492-852F8F5CDDA9@redivi.com>
	<20051102190534.J48694@zoraida.natserv.net>
Message-ID: <20051103020950.GB19314@sta.duo>

On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 07:06:32PM -0500, Francisco Reyes wrote:
>
>Any members or the NYCBUG are able to certify others?
>

anybody can setup a CA and sign certs saying they are who they say they are.
the hard part is getting them to sign your cert sign request, which says
they certify your cert as being authentic.

so, who do you want me to say I am? as long as it's someone other than myself,
I'll sign that you are whoever you want to be.

there is actually a bit of sense there. the only value signed certs have is
when clients _check_ that they where actually signed by an authority they trust.

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From george  Wed Nov  2 21:28:32 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:28:32 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] broke bootblocks
Message-ID: <20051103022832.GC19314@sta.duo>

I have a hosed system.

It has FreeBSD, WinXP and NetBSD on slice 1, 2 and 3; plus
Linux on some extended partitions. The last OS I installed
was WinXP. I don't really care about the Linux install,
but I'd like to get this thing booting slice 1, 2 or 3.

I tried "fdisk -B wd0" so I could boot into the other non XP
slices, but it only sees Linux as bootable, and that doesn't
work.

Below is the output of netbsd "fdisk wd0 ; disklabel wd0"
from the netbsd 2.0.2 cd.

How do I boot this thing?

// George


Disk: /dev/rwd0d
NetBSD disklabel disk geometry:
cylinders: 158816, heads: 16, sectors/track: 63 (1008 sectors/cylinder)
total sectors: 160086528

BIOS disk geometry:
cylinders: 1023, heads: 255, sectors/track: 63 (16065 sectors/cylinder)
total sectors: 160086528

Partition table:
0: FreeBSD or 386BSD or old NetBSD (sysid 165)
    start 63, size 41929587 (20473 MB, Cyls 0-2610)
1: Primary DOS with 32 bit FAT - LBA (sysid 12)
    start 41929650, size 41929650 (20473 MB, Cyls 2610-5220)
2: NetBSD (sysid 169)
    start 83859300, size 41929650 (20473 MB, Cyls 5220-7830), Active
3: Extended partition (sysid 5)
    start 125788950, size 34282710 (16740 MB, Cyls 7830-9964)
Extended partition table:
E0: Linux native (sysid 131)
    bootmenu: Linux
    start 125789013, size 546147 (267 MB, Cyls 7830-7864), Active
E1: Linux native (sysid 131)
    start 126335223, size 9767457 (4769 MB, Cyls 7864-8472)
E2: Linux native (sysid 131)
    start 136102743, size 5863662 (2863 MB, Cyls 8472-8837)
E3: Linux swap or Prime or Solaris (sysid 130)
    start 141966468, size 2200842 (1075 MB, Cyls 8837-8974)
E4: Linux native (sysid 131)
    start 144167373, size 787122 (384 MB, Cyls 8974-9023)
E5: Linux native (sysid 131)
    start 144954558, size 15117102 (7381 MB, Cyls 9023-9964)
Bootselector enabled, timeout 4 seconds.
# /dev/rwd0d:
type: unknown
disk: Max 80G 9/19/05
label: 
flags:
bytes/sector: 512
sectors/track: 63
tracks/cylinder: 16
sectors/cylinder: 1008
cylinders: 158816
total sectors: 160086528
rpm: 3600
interleave: 1
trackskew: 0
cylinderskew: 0
headswitch: 0		# microseconds
track-to-track seek: 0	# microseconds
drivedata: 0 

16 partitions:
#        size    offset     fstype [fsize bsize cpg/sgs]
 a:    390096  83859300     4.2BSD   1024  8192     0  # (Cyl.  83193*-  83580*)
 b:   4199328  84249396       swap                     # (Cyl.  83580*-  87746*)
 c:  41929650  83859300     unused      0     0        # (Cyl.  83193*- 124790*)
 d: 160086528         0     unused      0     0        # (Cyl.      0 - 158815)
 e:  35781984  88448724     4.2BSD   1024  8192     0  # (Cyl.  87746*- 123244*)
 f:  41929650  41929650      MSDOS                     # (Cyl.  41596*-  83193*)
 g:   1558242 124230708     4.2BSD   1024  8192     0  # (Cyl. 123244*- 124790*)
 i:    546147 125789013 Linux Ext2      0     0        # (Cyl. 124790*- 125332*)
 j:   9767457 126335223 Linux Ext2      0     0        # (Cyl. 125332*- 135022*)
 k:   5863662 136102743 Linux Ext2      0     0        # (Cyl. 135022*- 140839*)
 l:   2200842 141966468       swap                     # (Cyl. 140839*- 143023*)
 m:    787122 144167373 Linux Ext2      0     0        # (Cyl. 143023*- 143804*)
 n:  15117102 144954558 Linux Ext2      0     0        # (Cyl. 143804*- 158801*)




-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From mspitzer  Wed Nov  2 22:47:05 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:47:05 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] broke bootblocks
In-Reply-To: <20051103022832.GC19314@sta.duo>
References: <20051103022832.GC19314@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30511021947q4dd8fcf0re5c00fa8ec33cb86@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/2/05, George Georgalis <george at galis.org> wrote:
> I have a hosed system.

Can you mount the drive as a non boot device on another system and see
if you can mount the partitions there?  Also you could try to dd the
partitions to files and mount the file as a partition, I know it can
be done but forget the exact details.

marc

>
> It has FreeBSD, WinXP and NetBSD on slice 1, 2 and 3; plus
> Linux on some extended partitions. The last OS I installed
> was WinXP. I don't really care about the Linux install,
> but I'd like to get this thing booting slice 1, 2 or 3.
>
> I tried "fdisk -B wd0" so I could boot into the other non XP
> slices, but it only sees Linux as bootable, and that doesn't
> work.
>
> Below is the output of netbsd "fdisk wd0 ; disklabel wd0"
> from the netbsd 2.0.2 cd.
>
> How do I boot this thing?
>
> // George
>
>
> Disk: /dev/rwd0d
> NetBSD disklabel disk geometry:
> cylinders: 158816, heads: 16, sectors/track: 63 (1008 sectors/cylinder)
> total sectors: 160086528
>
> BIOS disk geometry:
> cylinders: 1023, heads: 255, sectors/track: 63 (16065 sectors/cylinder)
> total sectors: 160086528
>
> Partition table:
> 0: FreeBSD or 386BSD or old NetBSD (sysid 165)
>     start 63, size 41929587 (20473 MB, Cyls 0-2610)
> 1: Primary DOS with 32 bit FAT - LBA (sysid 12)
>     start 41929650, size 41929650 (20473 MB, Cyls 2610-5220)
> 2: NetBSD (sysid 169)
>     start 83859300, size 41929650 (20473 MB, Cyls 5220-7830), Active
> 3: Extended partition (sysid 5)
>     start 125788950, size 34282710 (16740 MB, Cyls 7830-9964)
> Extended partition table:
> E0: Linux native (sysid 131)
>     bootmenu: Linux
>     start 125789013, size 546147 (267 MB, Cyls 7830-7864), Active
> E1: Linux native (sysid 131)
>     start 126335223, size 9767457 (4769 MB, Cyls 7864-8472)
> E2: Linux native (sysid 131)
>     start 136102743, size 5863662 (2863 MB, Cyls 8472-8837)
> E3: Linux swap or Prime or Solaris (sysid 130)
>     start 141966468, size 2200842 (1075 MB, Cyls 8837-8974)
> E4: Linux native (sysid 131)
>     start 144167373, size 787122 (384 MB, Cyls 8974-9023)
> E5: Linux native (sysid 131)
>     start 144954558, size 15117102 (7381 MB, Cyls 9023-9964)
> Bootselector enabled, timeout 4 seconds.
> # /dev/rwd0d:
> type: unknown
> disk: Max 80G 9/19/05
> label:
> flags:
> bytes/sector: 512
> sectors/track: 63
> tracks/cylinder: 16
> sectors/cylinder: 1008
> cylinders: 158816
> total sectors: 160086528
> rpm: 3600
> interleave: 1
> trackskew: 0
> cylinderskew: 0
> headswitch: 0           # microseconds
> track-to-track seek: 0  # microseconds
> drivedata: 0
>
> 16 partitions:
> #        size    offset     fstype [fsize bsize cpg/sgs]
>  a:    390096  83859300     4.2BSD   1024  8192     0  # (Cyl.  83193*-  83580*)
>  b:   4199328  84249396       swap                     # (Cyl.  83580*-  87746*)
>  c:  41929650  83859300     unused      0     0        # (Cyl.  83193*- 124790*)
>  d: 160086528         0     unused      0     0        # (Cyl.      0 - 158815)
>  e:  35781984  88448724     4.2BSD   1024  8192     0  # (Cyl.  87746*- 123244*)
>  f:  41929650  41929650      MSDOS                     # (Cyl.  41596*-  83193*)
>  g:   1558242 124230708     4.2BSD   1024  8192     0  # (Cyl. 123244*- 124790*)
>  i:    546147 125789013 Linux Ext2      0     0        # (Cyl. 124790*- 125332*)
>  j:   9767457 126335223 Linux Ext2      0     0        # (Cyl. 125332*- 135022*)
>  k:   5863662 136102743 Linux Ext2      0     0        # (Cyl. 135022*- 140839*)
>  l:   2200842 141966468       swap                     # (Cyl. 140839*- 143023*)
>  m:    787122 144167373 Linux Ext2      0     0        # (Cyl. 143023*- 143804*)
>  n:  15117102 144954558 Linux Ext2      0     0        # (Cyl. 143804*- 158801*)
>
>
>
>
> --
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> http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org
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From george  Thu Nov  3 10:41:40 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:41:40 -0500
Subject: Solved Re: [nycbug-talk] broke bootblocks
In-Reply-To: <20051103022832.GC19314@sta.duo>
References: <20051103022832.GC19314@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <20051103154140.GH24710@sta.duo>

On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 09:28:32PM -0500, George Georgalis wrote:
>I have a hosed system.
>
>It has FreeBSD, WinXP and NetBSD on slice 1, 2 and 3; plus
>Linux on some extended partitions. The last OS I installed
>was WinXP. I don't really care about the Linux install,
>but I'd like to get this thing booting slice 1, 2 or 3.
>
>I tried "fdisk -B wd0" so I could boot into the other non XP
>slices, but it only sees Linux as bootable, and that doesn't
>work.
>
>Below is the output of netbsd "fdisk wd0 ; disklabel wd0"
>from the netbsd 2.0.2 cd.
>
>How do I boot this thing?

>BTW - I had also tried fdisk -i but still, fdisk -B says...

The solution was to run "fdisk -iu" and edit each
slice, accepting defaults but providing a "bootmenu"
label for each OS.

Go ahead and install the bootcode and write the
partition table.

That's it. Now there is a boot option for each OS.

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From george  Thu Nov  3 11:20:32 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:20:32 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
Message-ID: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net>

I thought it was supposed to be released this past Friday?

We even have a cvsup mirror up for it. . .

Anyone catch anything on this?

George



From dlavigne6  Thu Nov  3 12:27:40 2005
From: dlavigne6 (Dru)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:27:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>



On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, George R. wrote:

> I thought it was supposed to be released this past Friday?
>
> We even have a cvsup mirror up for it. . .
>
> Anyone catch anything on this?


They were finalizing the wording on the press release last night so I 
would suspect very soon now.

Dru



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From: lists (michael)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:47:21 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fw: O'Reilly UG Program MAKE Magazine Holiday Offer
Message-ID: <20051103124721.10559052@genoverly.com>


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From scottro  Thu Nov  3 13:34:43 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:34:43 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
Message-ID: <20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>

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On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 12:27:40PM -0500, Dru wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, George R. wrote:
> 
> >I thought it was supposed to be released this past Friday?
> >
> >We even have a cvsup mirror up for it. . .
> >
> >Anyone catch anything on this?
> 
> 
> They were finalizing the wording on the press release last night so I would 
> suspect very soon now.


It's up actually, doing a cvsup with RELENG_6  (I forgot to add the 0)
gives me

egrep "REVISION|BRANCH" /usr/src/sys/conf/newversion.sh

gives me

REVISION="6.0"
BRANCH="STABLE"


- -- 

Scott

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From okan  Thu Nov  3 13:52:02 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:52:02 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
Message-ID: <20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>

On Thu 2005.11.03 at 13:34 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 12:27:40PM -0500, Dru wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, George R. wrote:
> > 
> > >I thought it was supposed to be released this past Friday?
> > >
> > >We even have a cvsup mirror up for it. . .
> > >
> > >Anyone catch anything on this?
> > 
> > 
> > They were finalizing the wording on the press release last night so I would 
> > suspect very soon now.
> 
> 
> It's up actually, doing a cvsup with RELENG_6  (I forgot to add the 0)
> gives me
> 
> egrep "REVISION|BRANCH" /usr/src/sys/conf/newversion.sh
> 
> gives me
> 
> REVISION="6.0"
> BRANCH="STABLE"

i'm sure they tagged it long ago, for it is an expensive cvs operation.



From nomadlogic  Thu Nov  3 13:56:20 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:56:20 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/3/05, Okan Demirmen <okan at demirmen.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu 2005.11.03 at 13:34 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 12:27:40PM -0500, Dru wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, George R. wrote:
> > >
> > > >I thought it was supposed to be released this past Friday?
> > > >
> > > >We even have a cvsup mirror up for it. . .
> > > >
> > > >Anyone catch anything on this?
> > >
> > >
> > > They were finalizing the wording on the press release last night so I
> would
> > > suspect very soon now.
> >
> >
> > It's up actually, doing a cvsup with RELENG_6 (I forgot to add the 0)
> > gives me
> >
> > egrep "REVISION|BRANCH" /usr/src/sys/conf/newversion.sh
> >
> > gives me
> >
> > REVISION="6.0"
> > BRANCH="STABLE"
>
> i'm sure they tagged it long ago, for it is an expensive cvs operation.



I'm hoping to have atleast ISO images mirrored for nycbug folks when this
release goes live....i'll drop more details when they are avail.
-p


--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
NYC's *BSD User Group
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From george  Thu Nov  3 15:35:18 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:35:18 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net>
	<20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <436A7486.1070505@sddi.net>

pete wright wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/3/05, *Okan Demirmen* <okan at demirmen.com 
> <mailto:okan at demirmen.com>> wrote:
> 
>     On Thu 2005.11.03 at 13:34 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote:
>      > On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 12:27:40PM -0500, Dru wrote:
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, George R. wrote:
>      > >
>      > > >I thought it was supposed to be released this past Friday?
>      > > >
>      > > >We even have a cvsup mirror up for it. . .
>      > > >
>      > > >Anyone catch anything on this?
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > They were finalizing the wording on the press release last
>     night so I would
>      > > suspect very soon now.
>      >
>      >
>      > It's up actually, doing a cvsup with RELENG_6  (I forgot to add
>     the 0)
>      > gives me
>      >
>      > egrep "REVISION|BRANCH" /usr/src/sys/conf/newversion.sh
>      >
>      > gives me
>      >
>      > REVISION="6.0"
>      > BRANCH="STABLE"
> 
>     i'm sure they tagged it long ago, for it is an expensive cvs operation.
> 
> 
> 
> I'm hoping to have atleast ISO images mirrored for nycbug folks when 
> this release goes live....i'll drop more details when they are avail.
> -p
>  
> 

oh. . . .

  File: 6.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso  	44860 KB  	11/03/05  	14:25:00
File: 6.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 	564852 KB 	11/03/05 	16:13:00
File: 6.0-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso 	666378 KB 	11/03/05 	17:45:00
File: CHECKSUM.MD5 	1 KB 	11/03/05 	17:45:00
File: CHECKSUM.SHA256 	1 KB 	11/03/05 	17:45:00

it's coming up as we speak...

g



From mikel.king  Thu Nov  3 16:23:00 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:23:00 -0500
Subject: fBSD R6 ISO available (was Re: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?)
In-Reply-To: <436A7486.1070505@sddi.net>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net>
	<20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<436A7486.1070505@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <7FC28A74-6735-40D3-85C9-BAFEA651697E@ocsny.com>


On Nov 3, 2005, at 3:35 PM, George R. wrote:
>
> it's coming up as we speak...
>
{SNIP}
> g

In case anyone has trouble I placed the disc 1 & 2 ISOs on my  
company's new website.

www.TechAlly.com

Cheers,
Mikel King
CIO, Director of Network Operations
Optimized Computer Solutions, INC
Tech Alliance, INC
39 West Fourteenth Street
Second Floor
New York, NY 10011
http://www.ocsny.com
http://www.techally.com
t: 212.727.2100x132
+------------------------------------------+
How do you spell cooperation? Pessimists use
each other, but optimists help each other.
Collaboration feeds your spirit, while
competition only stokes your ego. You'll
find the best way to get along.
+------------------------------------------+







From nomadlogic  Thu Nov  3 20:15:40 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:15:40 -0800
Subject: fBSD R6 ISO available (was Re: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?)
In-Reply-To: <7FC28A74-6735-40D3-85C9-BAFEA651697E@ocsny.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<436A7486.1070505@sddi.net>
	<7FC28A74-6735-40D3-85C9-BAFEA651697E@ocsny.com>
Message-ID: <57d710000511031715nf83a276w787cc84cfb997d93@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/3/05, Mikel King <mikel.king at ocsny.com> wrote:
>
> On Nov 3, 2005, at 3:35 PM, George R. wrote:
> >
> > it's coming up as we speak...
> >
> {SNIP}
> > g
>
> In case anyone has trouble I placed the disc 1 & 2 ISOs on my
> company's new website.
>
> www.TechAlly.com
>

Ahh Mikel, you beat me to it :)  I just got home and setup this for
anon ftp access:

mirrors.nycbug.org

As of now it only contains the i386/amd64 and sparc64 ISO's, more can
be added if requested.  Watch this URL though because I am working on
getting a full blown mirror up in the next week or two
(cvsup/www/etc).


-pete


--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org
NYC's *BSD User Group



From njt  Fri Nov  4 23:04:57 2005
From: njt (N.J. Thomas)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 23:04:57 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] xmeter replacement?
Message-ID: <20051105040457.GD25673@ayvali.org>

xmeter was nifty little X program on Solaris that allowed you to put up
a graph of pretty much any system statistic (load, CPU, bandwidth, etc.)

Is there an equivalent in ports for FreeBSD? (I don't use Gnome/KDE, so
applets based on those environments are out of the question.)

thanks,
Thomas

-- 
N.J. Thomas
njt at ayvali.org
Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo



From hubert  Fri Nov  4 23:32:54 2005
From: hubert (Hubert Feyrer)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 05:32:54 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] xmeter replacement?
In-Reply-To: <20051105040457.GD25673@ayvali.org>
References: <20051105040457.GD25673@ayvali.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0511050523020.21188@m24s24.vlinux.de>

On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, N.J. Thomas wrote:
> xmeter was nifty little X program on Solaris that allowed you to put up
> a graph of pretty much any system statistic (load, CPU, bandwidth, etc.)
>
> Is there an equivalent in ports for FreeBSD? (I don't use Gnome/KDE, so
> applets based on those environments are out of the question.)

At least there's a xmeter package in pkgsrc, and some time ago I used 
xmeter to monitor a cluster of 45 NetBSD machines[1]. I guess it shouldn't 
be too hard to get going on FreeBSD...


  - Hubert

[1] http://www.feyrer.de/marathon-cluster/screen7-8am.gif



From ike  Sat Nov  5 16:08:24 2005
From: ike (Isaac Levy)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:08:24 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fbsd orb?
In-Reply-To: <2847C66D-B419-4AB4-B855-9D346301EC9F@ocsny.com>
References: <9a1bdb308621af25f302ba8307fcef26@jobsforge.com>
	<b76252690511020616q6cf6e808i245f988f432d957a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2847C66D-B419-4AB4-B855-9D346301EC9F@ocsny.com>
Message-ID: <96653263-96FC-4529-BE12-8E214B4D1167@lesmuug.org>

Hi All,

Just thought I'd toss in my .02? on the new FreeBSD logo,

On Nov 2, 2005, at 5:16 PM, Francisco Reyes wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Chris Clymer wrote:
>
>
>> I'm not much of a fan of this myself
>>
>
> I don't like it. :-(
> haven't seen the alternatives, but the one that won doesn't do it  
> for me.

Taste is taste, and this stuff *is* very subjective, in the end, it's  
hard to please everybody.

But, I personally like it for the following formal reasons,

+ The new logo leverages the public success of the Firefox/ 
Thunderbird icons (which got a lot of notable public attention)

+ The new logo, in it's simplest manifestation, is *really* simple-  
while still being distinctive

+ The new logo can scale from 16x16px up to gigantic, and still hold  
it's essence- it can be round, it can be square, it's a very  
versatile form.

+ The new logo can easily integrate into other websites, corporate  
brands, etc... without commanding an overage of special attention

+ The new logo is friendly and clean enough to take the place of the  
fat penguin, in large (more conservative) environments, and to  
decision makers who don't care about the tech, this makes our lives  
easier pulling *BSD into any environment (do we want to *work* with  
BSD Unix, or just hack it for the love of it on weekends?).

But, with all that, you still either like it, or you don't. :)

--
I did a quickie hack of that competition promo image, and put a  
variant up in the corner of a site already, (jumping the gun, I know-  
I know, but I'm exited to finally have a Logo I can start to inject  
into my work-life!)

http://diversaform.com/

Rocket-
.ike





From spork  Sat Nov  5 18:25:43 2005
From: spork (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:25:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fbsd orb?
In-Reply-To: <96653263-96FC-4529-BE12-8E214B4D1167@lesmuug.org>
References: <9a1bdb308621af25f302ba8307fcef26@jobsforge.com>
	<b76252690511020616q6cf6e808i245f988f432d957a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2847C66D-B419-4AB4-B855-9D346301EC9F@ocsny.com>
	<96653263-96FC-4529-BE12-8E214B4D1167@lesmuug.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511051822181.364@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

On Sat, 5 Nov 2005, Isaac Levy wrote:

> But, with all that, you still either like it, or you don't. :)

I'm somewhat OK with it, but I have to say I absolutely *loathe* the font. 
It looks too silly/goofy/80's to me.  Just my opinion. :)

I'm just happy they still have "the power to serve" on the main page.

Charles

> --
> I did a quickie hack of that competition promo image, and put a variant up in 
> the corner of a site already, (jumping the gun, I know- I know, but I'm 
> exited to finally have a Logo I can start to inject into my work-life!)
>
> http://diversaform.com/
>
> Rocket-
> .ike
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From george  Sat Nov  5 20:36:23 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:36:23 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] pf nat problem
Message-ID: <20051106013623.GB23703@sta.duo>

I've looked in a few docs but I'm not able to get a pf nat gateway
to work...

gateway_enable="YES"
pf_enable="YES"
pflog_enable="YES"
pflog_logfile="/var/log/pflog"
pfspamd_enable="YES"
pfspamd_grey="YES"
pfspamd_flags="-v -g"

(and the forward sysctl is enabled)

host1 has two public IPs on one interface and a 10.0.0.0/24 address on the other.
host2 has one 10.0.0.0/24 and connected by crossover, no firewalling.
host2 is configured to use host1 10.0.0.0/24 address as gateway.
the hosts can ping each other.

below are my current pf rules, I've been experimenting a lot so
they don't look much like the examples I started with anymore.
(addresses changed to protect the ignorant)


# Macros:
lo_if="lo0"
lo_addr="127.0.0.1"
lo_net="127.0.0.0/8"
int_if="vr0"
ext_if="vr1"
internal_net="10.0.0.0/24"
internal_addr="10.0.0.1"
internal_addr2="10.0.0.2"
external_addr="6.50.17.8"
external_addr2="6.50.17.2"
external_tcp="{ ssh, domain, smtp, openvpn }"
external_udp="{ ntp, domain, openvpn }"
external_tcp2="{ http, https, pop3, ssh, openvpn }"
external_udp2="{ openvpn }"

# Normalization:
scrub in all

# Translation:
nat on $ext_if from $internal_net to any -> $external_addr2
rdr on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $external_addr2 port $external_tcp2 -> 10.0.0.2
rdr on $ext_if proto udp from any to $external_addr2 port $external_udp2 -> 10.0.0.2
rdr on $ext_if proto icmp from any to $external_addr2 -> 10.0.0.2

table <spamd> persist
table <spamd-white> persist file "/var/qmail/control/accept"
no rdr on $lo_if from any to any
rdr inet proto tcp from <spamd> to any  port smtp -> $lo_addr port 8025
rdr inet proto tcp from !<spamd-white> to any  port smtp -> $lo_addr port 8025

# Filtering:
#block in all
#pass in all
pass in on $lo_if inet proto tcp from any  to $lo_if port 8025 keep state
pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any  to $lo_if port 8025 keep state
pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any  to $ext_if port $external_tcp keep state
pass in on $ext_if inet proto udp from any  to $ext_if port $external_udp keep state
pass in on $ext_if inet proto icmp from any  to $ext_if keep state
pass in on $int_if inet proto tcp from any  to any  keep state
pass in on $int_if inet proto udp from any  to any  keep state
pass in on $int_if inet proto icmp from any  to any  keep state
pass in on $int_if from $internal_addr2 to any keep state
pass in on $lo_if inet proto { tcp, udp, icmp }  from any  to any  keep state
pass from { $lo_net , $internal_net } to any keep state
pass out log inet proto tcp from any  to any  port smtp label smtp_out
pass out all keep state
pass in log all
pass out log all


pfspamd is working.  I think if I can get the internal host to
ping an external site, I can figure out the rest. What's wrong?

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From ryanseu  Sun Nov  6 01:03:55 2005
From: ryanseu (Ryan Seu)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:03:55 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] intervlan routing with freeBSD
Message-ID: <96b52a600511052203u65817576lc4658a9645463496@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to get a freebsd box to serve as an intervlan router, as well as
few other stuff but mainly as an intervlan router. I was wondering what is
the best way to set this up and if there were any resources online that I
can use as a reference. I'm planning to segment two cisco 2950 switches into
4 different subnets. Are there any known issues with FreeBSD implementing
intervlan-routing?

Thanks.
Ryan
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From george  Sun Nov  6 15:48:18 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:48:18 -0500
Subject: Solved Re: [nycbug-talk] pf nat problem
In-Reply-To: <20051106013623.GB23703@sta.duo>
References: <20051106013623.GB23703@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <20051106204818.GA11231@sta.duo>

On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 08:36:23PM -0500, George Georgalis wrote:
>I've looked in a few docs but I'm not able to get a pf nat gateway
>to work...

# Normalization:
scrub in all fragment reassemble

# Translation:
no rdr on { $lo_if , $int_if } from any  to any
nat on $ext_if from $int_net to any  -> $ext_addr2
rdr on $ext_if proto tcp from any  to $ext_addr2 port $ext_tcp2 -> $int_addr2
rdr on $ext_if proto udp from any  to $ext_addr2 port $ext_udp2 -> $int_addr2
rdr on $ext_if proto icmp from any  to $ext_addr2 -> $int_addr2
table <spamd> persist
table <spamd-white> persist file "/var/qmail/control/accept"
rdr inet proto tcp from <spamd> to any  port smtp -> $lo_addr port 8025
rdr inet proto tcp from !<spamd-white> to any  port smtp -> $lo_addr port 8025

# Filtering:
block drop in all
pass in on { $lo_if , $int_if } from any  to any  keep state
pass out all keep state

pass in on $lo_if inet proto tcp from any  to $lo_addr port 8025 keep state
pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any  to $lo_addr port 8025 keep state
pass out log inet proto tcp from any  to any  port smtp label "smtp_out"

pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any  to $ext_addr1 port $ext_tcp1 keep state
pass in on $ext_if inet proto udp from any  to $ext_addr1 port $ext_udp1 keep state
pass in on $ext_if inet proto icmp from any  to $ext_addr1 keep state

pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any  to $int_addr2 port $ext_tcp2 keep state
pass in on $ext_if inet proto udp from any  to $int_addr2 port $ext_udp2 keep state
pass in on $ext_if inet proto icmp from any  to $int_addr2 keep state

#pass in log all
#pass out log all


// George

-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From trish  Mon Nov  7 09:05:09 2005
From: trish (Trish Lynch)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:05:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] dmesgd?
Message-ID: <20051107090352.O741@ultra.bsdunix.net>


What's currently the issue with why dmesgd doesn;t accept submissions 
anymore?

Is it manpower? storage? bugs?

-Trish

-- 
Trish Lynch					   trish at bsdunix.net
Ecartis Core Team 			      trish at listmistress.org
EFNet IRC Operator/SysAdmin @ irc.dkom.at             AilleCat at EFNet
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From george  Mon Nov  7 09:14:36 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:14:36 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] dmesgd?
In-Reply-To: <20051107090352.O741@ultra.bsdunix.net>
References: <20051107090352.O741@ultra.bsdunix.net>
Message-ID: <436F614C.3020206@sddi.net>

Trish Lynch wrote:
> 
> What's currently the issue with why dmesgd doesn;t accept submissions 
> anymore?
> 
> Is it manpower? storage? bugs?

The entire NYCBUG setup is being migrated right now.. . . and dmesgd is 
on the list of "to-do's".

g



From trish  Mon Nov  7 09:12:17 2005
From: trish (Trish Lynch)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:12:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] dmesgd?
In-Reply-To: <436F614C.3020206@sddi.net>
References: <20051107090352.O741@ultra.bsdunix.net> <436F614C.3020206@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20051107091146.F741@ultra.bsdunix.net>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, George R. wrote:

> Trish Lynch wrote:
>> 
>> What's currently the issue with why dmesgd doesn;t accept submissions 
>> anymore?
>> 
>> Is it manpower? storage? bugs?
>
> The entire NYCBUG setup is being migrated right now.. . . and dmesgd is on 
> the list of "to-do's".
>
> g
>

Ahhh ok :)

dmesgd is useful when theres a new OS release :) (hint hint)

-Trish


-- 
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From lists  Mon Nov  7 09:16:41 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:16:41 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] dmesgd?
In-Reply-To: <20051107090352.O741@ultra.bsdunix.net>
References: <20051107090352.O741@ultra.bsdunix.net>
Message-ID: <20051107091641.20ed1f9c@genoverly.com>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:05:09 -0500 (EST)
Trish Lynch <trish at bsdunix.net> wrote:

> 
> What's currently the issue with why dmesgd doesn;t accept submissions 
> anymore?
> 
> Is it manpower? storage? bugs?
> 
> -Trish

None of the above.  We are migrating to new hardware and wanted to
freeze the db for a simpler migration.


Michael



From lists  Mon Nov  7 09:24:33 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:24:33 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] dmesgd?
In-Reply-To: <20051107091146.F741@ultra.bsdunix.net>
References: <20051107090352.O741@ultra.bsdunix.net> <436F614C.3020206@sddi.net>
	<20051107091146.F741@ultra.bsdunix.net>
Message-ID: <20051107092433.284d9997@genoverly.com>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:12:17 -0500 (EST)
Trish Lynch <trish at bsdunix.net> wrote:

> Ahhh ok :)
> 
> dmesgd is useful when theres a new OS release :) (hint hint)

 
back on.. have at it!

Michael



From ike  Mon Nov  7 09:44:20 2005
From: ike (Isaac Levy)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:44:20 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] dmesgd?
In-Reply-To: <20051107092433.284d9997@genoverly.com>
References: <20051107090352.O741@ultra.bsdunix.net> <436F614C.3020206@sddi.net>
	<20051107091146.F741@ultra.bsdunix.net>
	<20051107092433.284d9997@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <12D19062-0A65-46B3-8792-7B659159206D@lesmuug.org>

On Nov 7, 2005, at 9:24 AM, michael wrote:


> back on.. have at it!
>
>

Go MW!

Rocket-
.ike






From dcasey  Mon Nov  7 09:52:52 2005
From: dcasey (Dan Casey)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:52:52 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD or DragonFly
Message-ID: <436F6A44.2000302@bestweb.net>

I've been a big FreeBSD fan ever since I started using it (version 4.3
was the latest out at the time).  To be completely honest I haven't been
around BSD for a while now because my new job uses Linux.  In the BSD
world, I haven't strayed away from FreeBSD at all.  Now, Ive been
hearing a lot about this DragonFly BSD, which from what I've been told
is supposed to continue on the 4x series of FreeBSD?  Doesn't look like
FreeBSD has discontinued it yet. Holy crap, I just looked at the web
page (which is very different now), to see that FBSD 6 has hit
production!!  I didn't even know it was an idea yet lol.

Anyway it looks like I got more reading to do then I thought...  Long
story short,  I want to add a few servers to my own business (currently
using 1 freebsd5.1).
What are some reasons that one might use DragonFly instead of Free?  Im
doing virtual hosting, so creating virtual environments/jails is going
to be a big consideration.  Or I may even go w/ openbsd... who knows... 
Just wanted to see if anyone had any good/bad info on this dragonfly thing.

Sorry for the rambling.



From okan  Mon Nov  7 10:05:13 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:05:13 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD or DragonFly
In-Reply-To: <436F6A44.2000302@bestweb.net>
References: <436F6A44.2000302@bestweb.net>
Message-ID: <20051107150512.GB64477@yinaska.pair.com>

On Mon 2005.11.07 at 09:52 -0500, Dan Casey wrote:
> I've been a big FreeBSD fan ever since I started using it (version 4.3
> was the latest out at the time).  To be completely honest I haven't been
> around BSD for a while now because my new job uses Linux.  In the BSD
> world, I haven't strayed away from FreeBSD at all.  Now, Ive been
> hearing a lot about this DragonFly BSD, which from what I've been told
> is supposed to continue on the 4x series of FreeBSD?  Doesn't look like
> FreeBSD has discontinued it yet. Holy crap, I just looked at the web
> page (which is very different now), to see that FBSD 6 has hit
> production!!  I didn't even know it was an idea yet lol.
> 
> Anyway it looks like I got more reading to do then I thought...  Long
> story short,  I want to add a few servers to my own business (currently
> using 1 freebsd5.1).
> What are some reasons that one might use DragonFly instead of Free?  Im
> doing virtual hosting, so creating virtual environments/jails is going
> to be a big consideration.  Or I may even go w/ openbsd... who knows... 
> Just wanted to see if anyone had any good/bad info on this dragonfly thing.
> 
> Sorry for the rambling.

not at all.

so, i strongly believe in the right tool for the job...however, you've
come back at a very active time. openbsd 3.8 just came out, netbsd 2.1 came
out a day after that, and freebsd 6.0 somewhere in between. lots of new
stuff to play with and test...i say try 'em all out...as well as
dragonfly.

cheers.



From lists  Mon Nov  7 11:02:37 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:02:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051107110136.O16934@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, pete wright wrote:

> I'm hoping to have atleast ISO images mirrored for nycbug folks when this
> release goes live....i'll drop more details when they are avail.

We could do torrents of the ISO.
Don't recall address, but in the past I was able to get torrents of the 
images.



From lists  Mon Nov  7 11:08:49 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:08:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cacert and ssl crt's
In-Reply-To: <20051103020950.GB19314@sta.duo>
References: <7288ABE2-56E6-46C4-A58D-27C6618AB2B4@tbwachiat.com>
	<D4ADD7C5-82B9-44A4-90BD-DD3B0AA420F5@redivi.com>
	<20051102171257.X47943@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<DF8407DE-D3AA-4947-A492-852F8F5CDDA9@redivi.com>
	<20051102190534.J48694@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<20051103020950.GB19314@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <20051107110749.Y16934@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, George Georgalis wrote:

> so, who do you want me to say I am? as long as it's someone other than myself,
> I'll sign that you are whoever you want to be.

I meant if anyone in the list was able to certify for CaCert.




From lists  Mon Nov  7 11:12:55 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:12:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: fBSD R6 ISO available (was Re: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?)
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511031715nf83a276w787cc84cfb997d93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<436A7486.1070505@sddi.net>
	<7FC28A74-6735-40D3-85C9-BAFEA651697E@ocsny.com>
	<57d710000511031715nf83a276w787cc84cfb997d93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051107111217.U16934@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, pete wright wrote:

> As of now it only contains the i386/amd64 and sparc64 ISO's, more can
> be added if requested.  Watch this URL though because I am working on
> getting a full blown mirror up in the next week or two
> (cvsup/www/etc).

A local cvsup mirror would be great



From nomadlogic  Mon Nov  7 11:28:56 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:28:56 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <20051107110136.O16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107110136.O16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
Message-ID: <57d710000511070828u3234c64od7adc1c9beeef575@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/7/05, Francisco Reyes <lists at natserv.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, pete wright wrote:
>
> > I'm hoping to have atleast ISO images mirrored for nycbug folks when this
> > release goes live....i'll drop more details when they are avail.
>
> We could do torrents of the ISO.
> Don't recall address, but in the past I was able to get torrents of the
> images.
>


Yea I was seeding some torrents for a while.  the .torrent files are
now being included by default with releases (there is a link provided
in the annoucement).
-pete


--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org
NYC's *BSD User Group



From ike  Mon Nov  7 11:32:42 2005
From: ike (Isaac Levy)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:32:42 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6 feel
Message-ID: <14399145-4A03-47EC-BF62-C3DD7005EA64@lesmuug.org>

Hey all,

After installing FreeBSD 6 on Friday on a box in the office, is it  
just me, or does it feel *wicked fast*?

Compiling feels faster than 5.x on the same hardware- will try to dig  
up specs to see if this is for real- (or if the vibe of the new logo  
is just making me feel like it's going faster :)

Rocket-
.ike





From mikel.king  Mon Nov  7 11:35:48 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:35:48 -0500
Subject: fBSD R6 ISO available (was Re: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?)
In-Reply-To: <20051107111217.U16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<436A7486.1070505@sddi.net>
	<7FC28A74-6735-40D3-85C9-BAFEA651697E@ocsny.com>
	<57d710000511031715nf83a276w787cc84cfb997d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107111217.U16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
Message-ID: <429563B8-8186-467D-ADCF-29DDEA285D4C@ocsny.com>


On Nov 7, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Francisco Reyes wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, pete wright wrote:
>
>> As of now it only contains the i386/amd64 and sparc64 ISO's, more can
>> be added if requested.  Watch this URL though because I am working on
>> getting a full blown mirror up in the next week or two
>> (cvsup/www/etc).
>
> A local cvsup mirror would be great


I keep a cvs mirror @ cvsup.upan.org. I actually haven't checked to  
see if it's got 6.0 yet. That's why i dropped the iso's on my  
companies new website. I also plan on redoing the box up to 6.0 asap,  
just haven't had the time.

Cheers,
Mikel King
CIO, Director of Network Operations
Optimized Computer Solutions, INC
Tech Alliance, INC
39 West Fourteenth Street
Second Floor
New York, NY 10011
http://www.ocsny.com
http://www.techally.com
t: 212.727.2100x132
+------------------------------------------+
How do you spell cooperation? Pessimists use
each other, but optimists help each other.
Collaboration feeds your spirit, while
competition only stokes your ego. You'll
find the best way to get along.
+------------------------------------------+







From ike  Mon Nov  7 11:49:56 2005
From: ike (Isaac Levy)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:49:56 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511070828u3234c64od7adc1c9beeef575@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107110136.O16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<57d710000511070828u3234c64od7adc1c9beeef575@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2336B62-BA90-4AE2-92E8-26DD99BFC0F9@lesmuug.org>

Hey All,

On Nov 7, 2005, at 11:28 AM, pete wright wrote:

> On 11/7/05, Francisco Reyes <lists at natserv.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, pete wright wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm hoping to have atleast ISO images mirrored for nycbug folks  
>>> when this
>>> release goes live....i'll drop more details when they are avail.
>>>
>>
>> We could do torrents of the ISO.
>> Don't recall address, but in the past I was able to get torrents  
>> of the
>> images.

Seems to me that the Torrents totally beat ftp downloads, even over  
fast backbones, for new releases.  The speeed is totally sick.


>>
>>
>
>
> Yea I was seeding some torrents for a while.  the .torrent files are
> now being included by default with releases (there is a link provided
> in the annoucement).
> -pete

Same here this weekend, thanks to Pete's great tutorial here:

http://nycbug.org/index.php?NAV=Library&SUBM=86

--
This weekend I loaded up a fistfull of torrents from my humble boxes  
in colo, but had to budget my bandwidth:

This was my line for all torrents, so I cold keep all 17 torrents  
seeding, while still hovering around 2mbit, more or less:

btdownloadcurses.py --max_upload_rate 50 --max_allow_in 5 6.0-RELEASE- 
i386-all.torrent


This line is to just let it bloody rip, and I quickly spiked up over  
45mbit with just the i386 torrents <g> (not a good thing if you pay  
per mbit :):

btdownloadcurses.py --max_upload_rate 0 6.0-RELEASE-i386-all.torrent

--
Thanks again Pete for posting that tutorial, I had all seeds running  
and contained in about 10 minutes!

Rocket-
.ike





From trish  Mon Nov  7 12:01:01 2005
From: trish (Trish Lynch)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:01:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6 feel
In-Reply-To: <14399145-4A03-47EC-BF62-C3DD7005EA64@lesmuug.org>
References: <14399145-4A03-47EC-BF62-C3DD7005EA64@lesmuug.org>
Message-ID: <20051107115936.H741@ultra.bsdunix.net>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Isaac Levy wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> After installing FreeBSD 6 on Friday on a box in the office, is it just me, 
> or does it feel *wicked fast*?
>

I've been using it for a while on my webserver, plus been in testing for 
voice/video builds at work and it works very well, and seems to use less 
CPU in the same operations, which means of course, some things will seem 
faster....

> Compiling feels faster than 5.x on the same hardware- will try to dig up 
> specs to see if this is for real- (or if the vibe of the new logo is just 
> making me feel like it's going faster :)
>


ROTFL>

-Trish



From trish  Mon Nov  7 12:02:46 2005
From: trish (Trish Lynch)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:02:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Internal Server Error...http://www.nycbug.org/
Message-ID: <20051107120128.R741@ultra.bsdunix.net>

Internal Server Error
The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was 
unable to complete your request.
Please contact the server administrator, hostmaster at nyphp.org and inform 
them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that 
may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error 
log.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Apache/1.3.29 Server at nycbug.org Port 80

ACK!

Did my request of dmesgd cause issues?

-Trish



-- 
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Ecartis Core Team 			      trish at listmistress.org
EFNet IRC Operator/SysAdmin @ irc.dkom.at             AilleCat at EFNet
Key fingerprint = 781D 2B47 AA4B FC88 B919  0CD6 26B2 1D62 6FC1 FF16



From lists  Mon Nov  7 12:22:09 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:22:09 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Internal Server Error...http://www.nycbug.org/
In-Reply-To: <20051107120128.R741@ultra.bsdunix.net>
References: <20051107120128.R741@ultra.bsdunix.net>
Message-ID: <20051107122209.234877c5@genoverly.com>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:02:46 -0500 (EST)
Trish Lynch <trish at bsdunix.net> wrote:

> ACK!
> 
> Did my request of dmesgd cause issues?
> 
> -Trish


Now THAT was my error.  doh.
All better now.

Michael



From nomadlogic  Mon Nov  7 12:58:48 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:58:48 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6 feel
In-Reply-To: <20051107115936.H741@ultra.bsdunix.net>
References: <14399145-4A03-47EC-BF62-C3DD7005EA64@lesmuug.org>
	<20051107115936.H741@ultra.bsdunix.net>
Message-ID: <57d710000511070958t665c7c3an650dc1fd45d4748b@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/7/05, Trish Lynch <trish at bsdunix.net> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Isaac Levy wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > After installing FreeBSD 6 on Friday on a box in the office, is it just
> me,
> > or does it feel *wicked fast*?
> >
>
> I've been using it for a while on my webserver, plus been in testing for
> voice/video builds at work and it works very well, and seems to use less
> CPU in the same operations, which means of course, some things will seem
> faster....



yea i'm feeling it to ;) I'm thinking it's the work the put into the UFS/VFS
to make it SMP safe (from the 6.0-BETA1 notes):

"These changes include streamlining direct device access in the kernel,
providing a multi-threaded SMP-safe UFS/VFS filesystem layer"

sounds fun.

-p



--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
NYC's *BSD User Group
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From spork  Mon Nov  7 13:56:40 2005
From: spork (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:56:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6 feel
In-Reply-To: <14399145-4A03-47EC-BF62-C3DD7005EA64@lesmuug.org>
References: <14399145-4A03-47EC-BF62-C3DD7005EA64@lesmuug.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511071353070.364@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Isaac Levy wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> After installing FreeBSD 6 on Friday on a box in the office, is it just me, 
> or does it feel *wicked fast*?

Here's a quick unscientific benchmark I made the other night:

5.4:

buildworld

real    83m36.159s
user    69m18.570s
sys     15m43.083s

buildkernel

real    25m19.495s
user    22m0.922s
sys     3m59.302s

6.0 kernel, 6.0 world

buildkernel

real    25m9.616s
user    22m6.481s
sys     3m33.770s

buildworld

real    82m19.953s
user    69m5.525s
sys     14m14.403s

That's a dual PIII/1GHz box with a 3Ware 8506-4LP RAID controller (still 
GIANT locked, btw).  So it looks like we're getting a little closer to 4.x 
speeds.  Maybe 6.1?

Charles

> Compiling feels faster than 5.x on the same hardware- will try to dig up 
> specs to see if this is for real- (or if the vibe of the new logo is just 
> making me feel like it's going faster :)
>
> Rocket-
> .ike
>
>
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From hubert  Mon Nov  7 13:57:45 2005
From: hubert (Hubert Feyrer)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:57:45 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD or DragonFly
In-Reply-To: <436F6A44.2000302@bestweb.net>
References: <436F6A44.2000302@bestweb.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0511071956540.21188@m24s24.vlinux.de>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Dan Casey wrote:
> What are some reasons that one might use DragonFly instead of Free?  Im
> doing virtual hosting, so creating virtual environments/jails is going
> to be a big consideration.  Or I may even go w/ openbsd... who knows...

I hear that quite a number of people make good results with NetBSD+Xen for 
such things (even if people on this list will shout at me again for 
mentioning this :).


  - Hubert



From paul  Mon Nov  7 13:58:57 2005
From: paul (Paul Dlug)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:58:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: Power Cables in Manhattan?
Message-ID: <64376.64.124.183.50.1131389937.squirrel@mail.ridge.aps.org>

Sorry for the off topic post, I'm at our colo in NYC and our server
shipped with the wrong power cables. Does anyone know where I can get
cables in Manhattan today?

They are IEC-320-C19 (male end going into an APC AP9570), female end going
into an Intel Blade Chassis.


Thanks,
Paul



From lists  Mon Nov  7 14:03:03 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:03:03 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD or DragonFly
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0511071956540.21188@m24s24.vlinux.de>
References: <436F6A44.2000302@bestweb.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0511071956540.21188@m24s24.vlinux.de>
Message-ID: <20051107140303.454035af@genoverly.com>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:57:45 +0100 (CET)
Hubert Feyrer <hubert at feyrer.de> wrote:

> I hear that quite a number of people make good results with NetBSD+Xen
> for  such things (even if people on this list will shout at me again
> for  mentioning this :).
> 
> 
>   - Hubert

Learn more about Xen at the February NYCBUG meeting!

February 01, 2006
Johnny Lam: Xen and the Art of SysAdmin

6 pm, Soho Apple Store at 103 Prince Street

This presentation will be about using Xen in the real world to simplify
the maintenance of BSD systems. There will be a short introduction to
Xen and how it works, an in-depth look at the details of one particular
Xen setup along with some performance results, and how using Xen
simplifies life as an admin.



Michael



From george  Mon Nov  7 14:28:02 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:28:02 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD or DragonFly
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0511071956540.21188@m24s24.vlinux.de>
References: <436F6A44.2000302@bestweb.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0511071956540.21188@m24s24.vlinux.de>
Message-ID: <436FAAC2.4060606@sddi.net>

Hubert Feyrer wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Dan Casey wrote:
> 
>> What are some reasons that one might use DragonFly instead of Free?  Im
>> doing virtual hosting, so creating virtual environments/jails is going
>> to be a big consideration.  Or I may even go w/ openbsd... who knows...
> 
> 
> I hear that quite a number of people make good results with NetBSD+Xen 
> for such things (even if people on this list will shout at me again for 
> mentioning this :).
> 

"should at you" about using netbsd+xen?  No no no...

Lots of people use virtual domains, and many of us are using jails. . .

I'm personally happy with the setup for now, but I think the truth is 
that Xen has the potential to really make us all rethink not just our 
technology tools, but more . . .

Particularly in the arena of clusters/distributed virtualization, Xen 
really needs to be looked at.. .

And that's why Johnny Lam is doing that meeting for us in Feb :-)

I know he's on this list.. .

g



From g  Mon Nov  7 14:47:04 2005
From: g (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:47:04 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: Power Cables in Manhattan?
In-Reply-To: <64376.64.124.183.50.1131389937.squirrel@mail.ridge.aps.org>
Message-ID: <0IPL009CROAH2123@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Paul,

When I worked downtown, I'd sometimes get cables from these guys if I was in
a hurry for something better than (or more unusual than) Radio Shack
product:

Cables and Chips
121 Fulton Street
New York, NY 10038
Phone  212-619-3132
Fax     (212) 619-3982
chips-ny at CablesandChipsInc.com 
http://www.cablesandchipsinc.com/cabform.html

They make custom cables while you wait, if needed.

Cheers,
Gordon Smith

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org]
On Behalf Of Paul Dlug
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:59 PM
To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: Power Cables in Manhattan?

Sorry for the off topic post, I'm at our colo in NYC and our server
shipped with the wrong power cables. Does anyone know where I can get
cables in Manhattan today?

They are IEC-320-C19 (male end going into an APC AP9570), female end going
into an Intel Blade Chassis.


Thanks,
Paul
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From lists  Mon Nov  7 15:47:23 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:47:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511070828u3234c64od7adc1c9beeef575@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20051107110136.O16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<57d710000511070828u3234c64od7adc1c9beeef575@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051107154615.A18547@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, pete wright wrote:

> Yea I was seeding some torrents for a while.

Which torrent program are you using?
Last time I tried to seed files in FreeBSD.. the machine crashed after a 
few days.

Started to seed the files from a windows machine. :-(



From lists  Mon Nov  7 15:48:52 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:48:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: fBSD R6 ISO available (was Re: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?)
In-Reply-To: <429563B8-8186-467D-ADCF-29DDEA285D4C@ocsny.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<436A7486.1070505@sddi.net>
	<7FC28A74-6735-40D3-85C9-BAFEA651697E@ocsny.com>
	<57d710000511031715nf83a276w787cc84cfb997d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107111217.U16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<429563B8-8186-467D-ADCF-29DDEA285D4C@ocsny.com>
Message-ID: <20051107154759.P18547@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Mikel King wrote:

> I keep a cvs mirror @ cvsup.upan.org. I actually haven't checked to see if

So we can use that as a cvsup server? :-)



From scottro  Mon Nov  7 12:53:52 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:53:52 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD 6 feel
In-Reply-To: <20051107115936.H741@ultra.bsdunix.net>
References: <14399145-4A03-47EC-BF62-C3DD7005EA64@lesmuug.org>
	<20051107115936.H741@ultra.bsdunix.net>
Message-ID: <20051107175352.GA10489@uws1.starlofashions.com>

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On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 12:01:01PM -0500, Trish Lynch wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Isaac Levy wrote:
> 
> >Hey all,
> >
> >After installing FreeBSD 6 on Friday on a box in the office, is it just me, or 
> >does it feel *wicked fast*?
> >

Like Trish (whose post I snipped by mistake beyond the power of u or
even U on vi)  I have found it to be faster, but, also like Trish, this
is a totally subjective opinion.  I felt it was faster from the very
first BETAs.  (Again, completely subjective).


- -- 

Scott

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From jlam  Mon Nov  7 16:03:05 2005
From: jlam (Johnny Lam)
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 16:03:05 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Re: FreeBSD or DragonFly
In-Reply-To: <436FAAC2.4060606@sddi.net>
References: <436F6A44.2000302@bestweb.net>	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0511071956540.21188@m24s24.vlinux.de>
	<436FAAC2.4060606@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <436FC109.5050909@pkgsrc.org>

George R. wrote:
> Hubert Feyrer wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Dan Casey wrote:
>>
>>> What are some reasons that one might use DragonFly instead of Free?  Im
>>> doing virtual hosting, so creating virtual environments/jails is going
>>> to be a big consideration.  Or I may even go w/ openbsd... who knows...

 From what I recall, "jails" are a FreeBSD-only concept, and the only 
other alternative for that type of virtual environment is NetBSD/Xen 
(assuming you wanted to stay with a *BSD solution).

>> I hear that quite a number of people make good results with NetBSD+Xen 
>> for such things (even if people on this list will shout at me again 
>> for mentioning this :).
>>
> 
> "should at you" about using netbsd+xen?  No no no...
> 
> Lots of people use virtual domains, and many of us are using jails. . .
> 
> I'm personally happy with the setup for now, but I think the truth is 
> that Xen has the potential to really make us all rethink not just our 
> technology tools, but more . . .
> 
> Particularly in the arena of clusters/distributed virtualization, Xen 
> really needs to be looked at.. .
> 
> And that's why Johnny Lam is doing that meeting for us in Feb :-)
> 
> I know he's on this list.. .

Wow, I sure hope my talk lives up to the hype now :)

	Cheers,

	-- Johnny Lam <jlam at pkgsrc.org>



From mikel.king  Mon Nov  7 16:24:25 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:24:25 -0500
Subject: fBSD R6 ISO available (was Re: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?)
In-Reply-To: <20051107154759.P18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<436A7486.1070505@sddi.net>
	<7FC28A74-6735-40D3-85C9-BAFEA651697E@ocsny.com>
	<57d710000511031715nf83a276w787cc84cfb997d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107111217.U16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<429563B8-8186-467D-ADCF-29DDEA285D4C@ocsny.com>
	<20051107154759.P18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
Message-ID: <CE17A463-63E8-473A-8511-ED05F3077763@ocsny.com>

Yep. I just checked and it seems to be dolling out fBSD6.0....;-)

On Nov 7, 2005, at 3:48 PM, Francisco Reyes wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Mikel King wrote:
>
>> I keep a cvs mirror @ cvsup.upan.org. I actually haven't checked  
>> to see if
>
> So we can use that as a cvsup server? :-)




From lists  Mon Nov  7 16:55:00 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:55:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: fBSD R6 ISO available (was Re: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?)
In-Reply-To: <CE17A463-63E8-473A-8511-ED05F3077763@ocsny.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<436A7486.1070505@sddi.net>
	<7FC28A74-6735-40D3-85C9-BAFEA651697E@ocsny.com>
	<57d710000511031715nf83a276w787cc84cfb997d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107111217.U16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<429563B8-8186-467D-ADCF-29DDEA285D4C@ocsny.com>
	<20051107154759.P18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<CE17A463-63E8-473A-8511-ED05F3077763@ocsny.com>
Message-ID: <20051107165415.M18547@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Mikel King wrote:

> Yep. I just checked and it seems to be dolling out fBSD6.0....;-)

Great. I have 2 machines I plan to upgrade to 6... semi-production 
machines. My production ones sticking to 5.4 for now.



From nomadlogic  Mon Nov  7 17:24:41 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:24:41 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <20051107154615.A18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107110136.O16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<57d710000511070828u3234c64od7adc1c9beeef575@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107154615.A18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
Message-ID: <57d710000511071424k6cec5324s479d88aad69d0ae1@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/7/05, Francisco Reyes <lists at natserv.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, pete wright wrote:
>
> > Yea I was seeding some torrents for a while.
>
> Which torrent program are you using?
> Last time I tried to seed files in FreeBSD.. the machine crashed after a
> few days.
>
> Started to seed the files from a windows machine. :-(
>

i've been using Bittorrent from ports with no problems for some time now
(/me goes and checks server to make sure it's still up ;)
-p

--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
NYC's *BSD User Group
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From bob  Mon Nov  7 19:09:44 2005
From: bob (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:09:44 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511071424k6cec5324s479d88aad69d0ae1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
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	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107110136.O16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<57d710000511070828u3234c64od7adc1c9beeef575@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107154615.A18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<57d710000511071424k6cec5324s479d88aad69d0ae1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26CC1063-C34D-4DA5-998E-FB1D2384516B@redivi.com>


On Nov 7, 2005, at 2:24 PM, pete wright wrote:

>
>
> On 11/7/05, Francisco Reyes <lists at natserv.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, pete wright wrote:
>
> > Yea I was seeding some torrents for a while.
>
> Which torrent program are you using?
> Last time I tried to seed files in FreeBSD.. the machine crashed  
> after a
> few days.
>
> Started to seed the files from a windows machine. :-(
>
> i've been using Bittorrent from ports with no problems for some  
> time now (/me goes and checks server to make sure it's still up ;)

I haven't had any problems either... though I have seen some problems  
with Python and threads on FreeBSD.  I'm awfully sure that the curses  
client doesn't use any, though.

-bob

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From lists  Mon Nov  7 19:26:49 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:26:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <26CC1063-C34D-4DA5-998E-FB1D2384516B@redivi.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107110136.O16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<57d710000511070828u3234c64od7adc1c9beeef575@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107154615.A18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<57d710000511071424k6cec5324s479d88aad69d0ae1@mail.gmail.com>
	<26CC1063-C34D-4DA5-998E-FB1D2384516B@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <20051107192558.G19811@zoraida.natserv.net>

> I haven't had any problems either... though I have seen some problems with 
> Python and threads on FreeBSD.  I'm awfully sure that the curses client 
> doesn't use any, though.


Ok..maybe I was using the graphical version. Will try again.



From chsnyder  Mon Nov  7 20:32:42 2005
From: chsnyder (csnyder)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 20:32:42 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <20051107192558.G19811@zoraida.natserv.net>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107110136.O16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<57d710000511070828u3234c64od7adc1c9beeef575@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107154615.A18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<57d710000511071424k6cec5324s479d88aad69d0ae1@mail.gmail.com>
	<26CC1063-C34D-4DA5-998E-FB1D2384516B@redivi.com>
	<20051107192558.G19811@zoraida.natserv.net>
Message-ID: <b76252690511071732t5fd8bd16gb7eb19f85d1c3fd9@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/7/05, Francisco Reyes <lists at natserv.com> wrote:
> > I haven't had any problems either... though I have seen some problems with
> > Python and threads on FreeBSD.  I'm awfully sure that the curses client
> > doesn't use any, though.
>
>
> Ok..maybe I was using the graphical version. Will try again.


Every time I try to use BitTorrent on Verizon DSL, ping times jump
from ~300ms to ~3500ms. Like clockwork. Anybody else have this
problem? A known issue? I don't remember anything in the TOS about not
using BT...


--
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From nycbug  Mon Nov  7 23:35:32 2005
From: nycbug (Ray Lai)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:35:32 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <b76252690511071732t5fd8bd16gb7eb19f85d1c3fd9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107110136.O16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<57d710000511070828u3234c64od7adc1c9beeef575@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107154615.A18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<57d710000511071424k6cec5324s479d88aad69d0ae1@mail.gmail.com>
	<26CC1063-C34D-4DA5-998E-FB1D2384516B@redivi.com>
	<20051107192558.G19811@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<b76252690511071732t5fd8bd16gb7eb19f85d1c3fd9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051108043532.GB2541@syntax.cyth.net>

On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 08:32:42PM -0500, csnyder wrote:
> Every time I try to use BitTorrent on Verizon DSL, ping times jump
> from ~300ms to ~3500ms. Like clockwork. Anybody else have this
> problem? A known issue? I don't remember anything in the TOS about not
> using BT...

Does this help:

	http://www.benzedrine.cx/ackpri.html

-Ray-



From george  Tue Nov  8 08:51:26 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:51:26 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511071424k6cec5324s479d88aad69d0ae1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107110136.O16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<57d710000511070828u3234c64od7adc1c9beeef575@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107154615.A18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<57d710000511071424k6cec5324s479d88aad69d0ae1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051108135126.GB19057@sta.duo>

On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 02:24:41PM -0800, pete wright wrote:
>On 11/7/05, Francisco Reyes <lists at natserv.com> wrote:
>>
>> Which torrent program are you using?
>> Last time I tried to seed files in FreeBSD.. the machine crashed after a
>> few days.
>>
>> Started to seed the files from a windows machine. :-(
>>
>
>i've been using Bittorrent from ports with no problems for some time now
>(/me goes and checks server to make sure it's still up ;)


I was using Pete's nycnug bittorret howto, until I had a problem
with ncurses... (user error, miss-matched sources on system,
or...)

I moved to net/ctorrent. It's a very plain and simple client,
maybe can seed too. Never a problem.

// George



-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From dlavigne6  Tue Nov  8 12:49:06 2005
From: dlavigne6 (Dru)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:49:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] online update
Message-ID: <20051108124015.G547@dru.domain.org>


It's been a while since the slickness of something impressed me, but I'm 
impressed.

Those who are interested in keeping desktops up-to-date, check out PC-BSD. 
You can download the out-of-date version of the OS here:

http://mirrors.isc.org/pub/pcbsd/0.8/PCBSD-0.8.2-x86-LANG1.iso

Once it's installed, go to Computer->PC-BSD Settings->Online Update

which will automagically upgrade the OS as well as the apps. Since the OS 
is involved, it will require a reboot. When you run the program again, it 
will upgrade the kernel which will require one other reboot. Entire process 
took under 5 minutes over a cable connection.

All in all, your grandmother could install this and keep her system 
up-to-date.

Now it's time to try out the package install system...

BTW, the next PC-BSD will be based on FreeBSD 6.0 and is due out in the 
next few weeks.

Dru



From njt  Tue Nov  8 15:59:14 2005
From: njt (N.J. Thomas)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:59:14 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] ntop alternatives for FreeBSD?
Message-ID: <20051108205914.GG26828@ayvali.org>

I've given up on ntop/FreeBSD (for now), it's way too unstable.

Can anyone suggest alternatives?

thanks,
Thomas

-- 
N.J. Thomas
njt at ayvali.org
Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo



From trish  Tue Nov  8 17:49:46 2005
From: trish (Trish Lynch)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:49:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] ntop alternatives for FreeBSD?
In-Reply-To: <20051108205914.GG26828@ayvali.org>
References: <20051108205914.GG26828@ayvali.org>
Message-ID: <20051108174916.L776@ultra.bsdunix.net>

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, N.J. Thomas wrote:

> I've given up on ntop/FreeBSD (for now), it's way too unstable.
>
> Can anyone suggest alternatives?
>
> thanks,
> Thomas
>

I've actually kept old unavailable stable ntop 1.0 source around. no 
pretty web interface, but thats not what I want :)

-Trish


-- 
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Ecartis Core Team 			      trish at listmistress.org
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From george  Tue Nov  8 21:17:23 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:17:23 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0 ISO Mirror for NYCBUG
Message-ID: <43715C33.1000804@sddi.net>

Thanks to the colo group, particularly Pete, not to mention NY Internet...

ftp://mirrors.nycbug.org for amd64, i386 and sparc64 ISOs

g



From spork  Tue Nov  8 21:35:20 2005
From: spork (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:35:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0 ISO Mirror for NYCBUG
In-Reply-To: <43715C33.1000804@sddi.net>
References: <43715C33.1000804@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511082134370.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, George R. wrote:

> Thanks to the colo group, particularly Pete, not to mention NY Internet...
>
> ftp://mirrors.nycbug.org for amd64, i386 and sparc64 ISOs

Nice job, and sub 1ms RTT to boot!

traceroute to mirrors.nycbug.org (64.90.179.100), 64 hops max, 44 byte 
packets
  2  ge-8-0-113.ipcolo1.NewYork1.Level3.net (63.209.170.225)  0.527 ms 
0.422 ms  0.853 ms
  3  core01-gige-100-william.nyi.net (63.208.174.50)  0.530 ms  0.533 ms 
0.503 ms
  4  cs-nyi-gigalan-20.nyinternet.net (64.147.101.20)  0.722 ms  0.602 ms 
0.620 ms
  5  * * *
  6  mirrors.nycbug.org (64.90.179.100)  0.862 ms  0.724 ms  0.749 ms

C

> g
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From nomadlogic  Tue Nov  8 21:38:57 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:38:57 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0 ISO Mirror for NYCBUG
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511082134370.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
References: <43715C33.1000804@sddi.net>
	<Pine.OSX.4.61.0511082134370.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
Message-ID: <57d710000511081838v4b90483fy7e914a06d4dcda79@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/8/05, Charles Sprickman <spork at bway.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, George R. wrote:
>
> > Thanks to the colo group, particularly Pete, not to mention NY Internet...
> >
> > ftp://mirrors.nycbug.org for amd64, i386 and sparc64 ISOs
>
> Nice job, and sub 1ms RTT to boot!

heh..can't wait till we get the cvsup mirror running there...which is
currently on it's way to nyc :)

-p

--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org
NYC's *BSD User Group



From mikel.king  Tue Nov  8 21:58:54 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:58:54 -0500
Subject: fBSD R6 ISO available (was Re: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?)
In-Reply-To: <20051107165415.M18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<436A7486.1070505@sddi.net>
	<7FC28A74-6735-40D3-85C9-BAFEA651697E@ocsny.com>
	<57d710000511031715nf83a276w787cc84cfb997d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107111217.U16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<429563B8-8186-467D-ADCF-29DDEA285D4C@ocsny.com>
	<20051107154759.P18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<CE17A463-63E8-473A-8511-ED05F3077763@ocsny.com>
	<20051107165415.M18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
Message-ID: <ECE81662-7262-4DA9-A99E-036D9DD90D4A@ocsny.com>


On Nov 7, 2005, at 4:55 PM, Francisco Reyes wrote:

> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Mikel King wrote:
>
>> Yep. I just checked and it seems to be dolling out fBSD6.0....;-)
>
> Great. I have 2 machines I plan to upgrade to 6... semi-production  
> machines. My production ones sticking to 5.4 for now.

How did it go with the cvsup? I haven't really grabbed from  
cvsup.upan.org on the outside before.



From bob  Tue Nov  8 22:06:50 2005
From: bob (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:06:50 -0800
Subject: fBSD R6 ISO available (was Re: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?)
In-Reply-To: <ECE81662-7262-4DA9-A99E-036D9DD90D4A@ocsny.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<436A7486.1070505@sddi.net>
	<7FC28A74-6735-40D3-85C9-BAFEA651697E@ocsny.com>
	<57d710000511031715nf83a276w787cc84cfb997d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107111217.U16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<429563B8-8186-467D-ADCF-29DDEA285D4C@ocsny.com>
	<20051107154759.P18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<CE17A463-63E8-473A-8511-ED05F3077763@ocsny.com>
	<20051107165415.M18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<ECE81662-7262-4DA9-A99E-036D9DD90D4A@ocsny.com>
Message-ID: <8751E442-4B0F-454E-904C-5EAFCB3DDD4E@redivi.com>


On Nov 8, 2005, at 6:58 PM, Mikel King wrote:

>
> On Nov 7, 2005, at 4:55 PM, Francisco Reyes wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Mikel King wrote:
>>
>>> Yep. I just checked and it seems to be dolling out fBSD6.0....;-)
>>
>> Great. I have 2 machines I plan to upgrade to 6... semi-production  
>> machines. My production ones sticking to 5.4 for now.
>
> How did it go with the cvsup? I haven't really grabbed from  
> cvsup.upan.org on the outside before.

I cvsup'ed a 5.3 and a 5.4 machine to 6.0 this week with no problems  
at all.

-bob




From spork  Tue Nov  8 22:11:22 2005
From: spork (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:11:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0 ISO Mirror for NYCBUG
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511081838v4b90483fy7e914a06d4dcda79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43715C33.1000804@sddi.net>
	<Pine.OSX.4.61.0511082134370.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
	<57d710000511081838v4b90483fy7e914a06d4dcda79@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511082147310.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, pete wright wrote:

> On 11/8/05, Charles Sprickman <spork at bway.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, George R. wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to the colo group, particularly Pete, not to mention NY Internet...
>>>
>>> ftp://mirrors.nycbug.org for amd64, i386 and sparc64 ISOs
>>
>> Nice job, and sub 1ms RTT to boot!
>
> heh..can't wait till we get the cvsup mirror running there...which is
> currently on it's way to nyc :)

Yeah, I don't even have that many machines to care for (less than 10), but 
setup a mirror anyhow.  Amazingly fast, but if you only have a single 
spindle and you get more than 2 clients it's a fast downward spiral. 
What's 3G of solid state storage cost? :)

C

> -p
>
> --
> ~~o0OO0o~~
> Pete Wright
> www.nycbug.org
> NYC's *BSD User Group
>



From lists  Tue Nov  8 23:25:00 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 23:25:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: fBSD R6 ISO available (was Re: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?)
In-Reply-To: <ECE81662-7262-4DA9-A99E-036D9DD90D4A@ocsny.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net> <20051103122710.N542@dru.domain.org>
	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>
	<436A7486.1070505@sddi.net>
	<7FC28A74-6735-40D3-85C9-BAFEA651697E@ocsny.com>
	<57d710000511031715nf83a276w787cc84cfb997d93@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051107111217.U16934@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<429563B8-8186-467D-ADCF-29DDEA285D4C@ocsny.com>
	<20051107154759.P18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<CE17A463-63E8-473A-8511-ED05F3077763@ocsny.com>
	<20051107165415.M18547@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<ECE81662-7262-4DA9-A99E-036D9DD90D4A@ocsny.com>
Message-ID: <20051108232446.R35118@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, Mikel King wrote:

> How did it go with the cvsup? I haven't really grabbed from cvsup.upan.org on 
> the outside before.

Plan to do it on Saturday. :-)



From nycbug  Wed Nov  9 00:33:06 2005
From: nycbug (Chris Buechler)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 00:33:06 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FBSD 6.0?
In-Reply-To: <b76252690511071732t5fd8bd16gb7eb19f85d1c3fd9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <436A38D0.2020605@sddi.net>	<20051103183443.GB19189@uws1.starlofashions.com>	<20051103185202.GB77903@yinaska.pair.com>	<57d710000511031056k23d2fb0bp81c64a04cb4be280@mail.gmail.com>	<20051107110136.O16934@zoraida.natserv.net>	<57d710000511070828u3234c64od7adc1c9beeef575@mail.gmail.com>	<20051107154615.A18547@zoraida.natserv.net>	<57d710000511071424k6cec5324s479d88aad69d0ae1@mail.gmail.com>	<26CC1063-C34D-4DA5-998E-FB1D2384516B@redivi.com>	<20051107192558.G19811@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<b76252690511071732t5fd8bd16gb7eb19f85d1c3fd9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43718A12.4060400@chrisbuechler.com>

csnyder wrote:

>Every time I try to use BitTorrent on Verizon DSL, ping times jump
>from ~300ms to ~3500ms. Like clockwork. Anybody else have this
>problem? A known issue? I don't remember anything in the TOS about not
>using BT...
>
>  
>

This can typically be attributed to either some device not handling the 
packets per second (pps) load inherent with BT very well (DSL modem or 
firewall), or maxing out your upload.  The ACK prioritization posted by 
someone else should help some, if it's related to maxing out your 
upload.  You'd be better off limiting the speed of upload in your BT 
client to about 75% or less of your upstream bandwidth though, as that's 
a much more reliable way to keep your connection in check. 

If it's still an issue after limiting your client's upload speed, I'd 
look at any firewalls and/or routers, your BT client, and the DSL 
modem.  The cheap home NAT boxes like Linksys, et. al. tend to not 
handle BT very well, or anything that uses that many connections.  Some 
BT clients set their default connection limits ridiculously high; 
depending on the client, you may be able to lower those with a positive 
performance impact overall.  And I've heard of situations where the DSL 
modem being used just sucked under high pps load, and getting a 
different modem solved the problem. 

-Chris




From okan  Wed Nov  9 14:22:13 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:22:13 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] mysql client and .my.cnf
Message-ID: <20051109192212.GA59731@yinaska.pair.com>

hi all - 

so i'm curious as to how other people deal with ~/.my.cnf and multiple
hosts/databases/usernames. for example i have:

hostname=db01.example.com
database=my_first_database
username=first_database_user

hostname=db02.example.com
database=my_next_database
username=next_database_user

hostname=db99.example.com
database=my_other_database
username=other_database_user

...etc...

now, i'd *love* to see an ssh_config(5) style to .my.cnf (or heck if
mysql likes this ini style, then something like isakmpd.conf(5) would
work too), but for now i'm using multiple .my.cnf.${db} files with the
relevant info and shell aliases for each and such...i don't like it much
- kinda messy...

what does everyone else do?

cheers,
okan



From george  Wed Nov  9 15:52:05 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:52:05 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] rsync only for backups
Message-ID: <43726175.3090607@sddi.net>

Have been using this for a few clients to do rsync with OpenSSH on 
Windows, so thought I'd spread the word.

http://freebsdwiki.net/index.php/SSH:_Limiting_to_SCP_or_Rsync_only

Basically, you compile an rsync/scp/sftp-only shell with the c code 
provided (which you can of course edit), and replace the remote user's 
shell who's backing up their stuff.

This is not a 100% secure solution as the user can rsync/scp/sftp to 
anywhere that they have rights to. . . but at least it's a start.

George



From chsnyder  Wed Nov  9 15:53:20 2005
From: chsnyder (csnyder)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:53:20 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] mysql client and .my.cnf
In-Reply-To: <20051109192212.GA59731@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <20051109192212.GA59731@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690511091253u70fb15c0s67da563eacb604f3@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/9/05, Okan Demirmen <okan at demirmen.com> wrote:
> hi all -
>
> so i'm curious as to how other people deal with ~/.my.cnf and multiple
> hosts/databases/usernames. for example i have:
>
> hostname=db01.example.com
> database=my_first_database
> username=first_database_user
>
> hostname=db02.example.com
> database=my_next_database
> username=next_database_user
>
> hostname=db99.example.com
> database=my_other_database
> username=other_database_user
>
> ...etc...
>
> now, i'd *love* to see an ssh_config(5) style to .my.cnf (or heck if
> mysql likes this ini style, then something like isakmpd.conf(5) would
> work too), but for now i'm using multiple .my.cnf.${db} files with the
> relevant info and shell aliases for each and such...i don't like it much
> - kinda messy...
>
> what does everyone else do?
>
> cheers,
> okan

Are you just looking for a way to avoid specifying the host, user, and
database name switches each time you connect via MySQL Client?

Would shell aliases work better?

alias db01='mysql -h db01.example.com -u first_database_user -p
my_first_database'

(That's assuming you use a password (-p) to connect...)

--
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From okan  Wed Nov  9 16:05:31 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:05:31 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] rsync only for backups
In-Reply-To: <43726175.3090607@sddi.net>
References: <43726175.3090607@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20051109210531.GA2854@yinaska.pair.com>

On Wed 2005.11.09 at 15:52 -0500, George Rosamond wrote:
> Have been using this for a few clients to do rsync with OpenSSH on 
> Windows, so thought I'd spread the word.
> 
> http://freebsdwiki.net/index.php/SSH:_Limiting_to_SCP_or_Rsync_only
> 
> Basically, you compile an rsync/scp/sftp-only shell with the c code 
> provided (which you can of course edit), and replace the remote user's 
> shell who's backing up their stuff.

i imagine you are using keys, so why not use what sshd(8) gives you?

that's just me - try to use what you can in base first.

> This is not a 100% secure solution as the user can rsync/scp/sftp to 
> anywhere that they have rights to. . . but at least it's a start.

or systrace(1) ...

cheers



From okan  Wed Nov  9 16:08:17 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:08:17 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] mysql client and .my.cnf
In-Reply-To: <b76252690511091253u70fb15c0s67da563eacb604f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051109192212.GA59731@yinaska.pair.com>
	<b76252690511091253u70fb15c0s67da563eacb604f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051109210817.GB2854@yinaska.pair.com>

On Wed 2005.11.09 at 15:53 -0500, csnyder wrote:
> On 11/9/05, Okan Demirmen <okan at demirmen.com> wrote:
> > hi all -
> >
> > so i'm curious as to how other people deal with ~/.my.cnf and multiple
> > hosts/databases/usernames. for example i have:
> >
> > hostname=db01.example.com
> > database=my_first_database
> > username=first_database_user
> >
> > hostname=db02.example.com
> > database=my_next_database
> > username=next_database_user
> >
> > hostname=db99.example.com
> > database=my_other_database
> > username=other_database_user
> >
> > ...etc...
> >
> > now, i'd *love* to see an ssh_config(5) style to .my.cnf (or heck if
> > mysql likes this ini style, then something like isakmpd.conf(5) would
> > work too), but for now i'm using multiple .my.cnf.${db} files with the
> > relevant info and shell aliases for each and such...i don't like it much
> > - kinda messy...
> >
> > what does everyone else do?
> >
> > cheers,
> > okan
> 
> Are you just looking for a way to avoid specifying the host, user, and
> database name switches each time you connect via MySQL Client?
> 
> Would shell aliases work better?
> 
> alias db01='mysql -h db01.example.com -u first_database_user -p
> my_first_database'

yea. i'm using all sorts of aliases...keeping them in sync with "mysql",
"mysqldump", "mysqladmin", etc becomes a pain...hence i wanted some of
it in .my.cnf file(s).

> (That's assuming you use a password (-p) to connect...)

most cases, except backup dumps ;(

okan



From george  Wed Nov  9 17:01:47 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:01:47 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] mysql client and .my.cnf
In-Reply-To: <20051109210817.GB2854@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <20051109192212.GA59731@yinaska.pair.com>
	<b76252690511091253u70fb15c0s67da563eacb604f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051109210817.GB2854@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20051109220147.GE3610@sta.duo>

On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 04:08:17PM -0500, Okan Demirmen wrote:
>On Wed 2005.11.09 at 15:53 -0500, csnyder wrote:
>> 
>> alias db01='mysql -h db01.example.com -u first_database_user -p
>> my_first_database'
>
>yea. i'm using all sorts of aliases...keeping them in sync with "mysql",
>"mysqldump", "mysqladmin", etc becomes a pain...hence i wanted some of
>it in .my.cnf file(s).

in that case us env varables and functions...

db01='-h db01.example.com -u first_database_user -p my_first_database'
db02='-h db01.example.com -u first_database_user -p my_first_database'
export db01 db02

_mysqldump () { mysqldump $1 }
_mysqladmin () { mysqladmin $1 }

_mysqldump $db01

...never tried that, YMMV. but a .ssh/config like cnf file would
be much better, actually I thought it did that, but never tried
that either. ;)

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From george  Fri Nov 11 10:24:15 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:24:15 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] using filezilla
Message-ID: <20051111152415.GA5975@sta.duo>

A while back there was a discussion about windows clients to
transfer files to Unix. Seems a lot of people are using filezilla.

It would seem filezilla doesn't preserve modification times.
(?!?) Is there a configuration option I'm missing?


There is also an issue of converting <cr><lf> to <cr> and
vice-versa.  It seems winscp has an auto detect and convert
feature built in. How do people feel about doing a stream edit
with winscp?

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From lists  Thu Nov 10 12:41:56 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:41:56 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] out of band
Message-ID: <20051110124156.637dcc9c@genoverly.com>

I'm looking for a small, out of band, console server solution.  The
cyclades boxen are prohibitively expensive and overkill for my needs.

First, I was going to try to give purpose to an old Sun Netra T 105
running OpenBSD. Can anyone recommend a 4 port serial pci card?


Michael



From mikel.king  Fri Nov 11 15:57:42 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:57:42 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] out of band
In-Reply-To: <20051110124156.637dcc9c@genoverly.com>
References: <20051110124156.637dcc9c@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <D208B8DE-58E1-466C-8F93-17917B324931@ocsny.com>

I have a digi that we were probably going to unload on ebay...

We also just took down out dialup rack...

On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:41 PM, michael wrote:

> I'm looking for a small, out of band, console server solution.  The
> cyclades boxen are prohibitively expensive and overkill for my needs.
>
> First, I was going to try to give purpose to an old Sun Netra T 105
> running OpenBSD. Can anyone recommend a 4 port serial pci card?
>
>
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month




From joshmccormack  Fri Nov 11 00:31:47 2005
From: joshmccormack (Josh McCormack)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:31:47 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] X on OpenBSD & nycbug.org down
Message-ID: <43742CC3.6040005@travelersdiary.com>

I can't get a connection to nycbug.org. Just wanted to make sure the 
relevant parties are aware.

Also, I'm having troubles getting X working on my new install of OpenBSD 
3.8 on a Presario 1200. Any help would be appreciated.

Josh




From lists  Fri Nov 11 16:05:44 2005
From: lists (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:05:44 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] X on OpenBSD & nycbug.org down
In-Reply-To: <43742CC3.6040005@travelersdiary.com>
Message-ID: <009401c5e703$af8cde10$6401a8c0@MobileZ>



Josh McCormack wrote on Friday, November 11, 2005 12:32 AM:
> I can't get a connection to nycbug.org. Just wanted to make sure the
> relevant parties are aware.

There were some power problems down on wall street at the facility -
resolved now, obviously.

H




From lists  Fri Nov 11 13:00:11 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:00:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] rsync only for backups
In-Reply-To: <20051109210531.GA2854@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <43726175.3090607@sddi.net>
	<20051109210531.GA2854@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20051111125934.M71437@zoraida.natserv.net>


On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Okan Demirmen wrote:

> i imagine you are using keys, so why not use what sshd(8) gives you?

What do you mean by that?



From lists  Fri Nov 11 12:58:16 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:58:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] rsync only for backups
In-Reply-To: <43726175.3090607@sddi.net>
References: <43726175.3090607@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20051111125116.R71437@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, George R. wrote:

> Have been using this for a few clients to do rsync with OpenSSH on Windows, 
> so thought I'd spread the word.
> http://freebsdwiki.net/index.php/SSH:_Limiting_to_SCP_or_Rsync_only


I recently saw a port for that type of work.
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/url.cgi?ports/shells/scponly/pkg-descr

The port can also be configured to use unison instead of rsync.
Plan to try the port this weekend and will report back to the list.


> This is not a 100% secure solution as the user can rsync/scp/sftp to anywhere 
> that they have rights to. . . but at least it's a start.

True, but it's more secure than a regular shell.

My plan is to setup a long password, which I will 
never use, and to setup a passwordless key.


* Machine A where data will be copied
Has passwordless key
Data will be copied to it.

* Machine B has public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2
User has scponly shell
User has very long password, which I never plan to use.
Data is coming from that machine



From okan  Fri Nov 11 16:13:08 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:13:08 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] rsync only for backups
In-Reply-To: <20051109210531.GA2854@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <43726175.3090607@sddi.net>
	<20051109210531.GA2854@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20051111211308.GA27287@yinaska.pair.com>

On Wed 2005.11.09 at 16:05 -0500, Okan Demirmen wrote:
> On Wed 2005.11.09 at 15:52 -0500, George Rosamond wrote:
> > Have been using this for a few clients to do rsync with OpenSSH on 
> > Windows, so thought I'd spread the word.
> > 
> > http://freebsdwiki.net/index.php/SSH:_Limiting_to_SCP_or_Rsync_only
> > 
> > Basically, you compile an rsync/scp/sftp-only shell with the c code 
> > provided (which you can of course edit), and replace the remote user's 
> > shell who's backing up their stuff.
> 
> i imagine you are using keys, so why not use what sshd(8) gives you?

i should have been more clear...

snip of an example ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file:

no-port-forwarding,no-X11-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding,no-pty,
command="/usr/local/bin/rsync /var/symon" ssh-dss ....
symon_backup_only_key_for_fun_with_keys at example.com

only allows this key to rsync the /var/symon tree. of course, a key for
every command is silly, but the point is there.

> that's just me - try to use what you can in base first.
> 
> > This is not a 100% secure solution as the user can rsync/scp/sftp to 
> > anywhere that they have rights to. . . but at least it's a start.
> 
> or systrace(1) ...

systrace(1) can be fun and a hair-pulling exercise at the same time ;)

okan



From okan  Fri Nov 11 16:14:35 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:14:35 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] X on OpenBSD & nycbug.org down
In-Reply-To: <43742CC3.6040005@travelersdiary.com>
References: <43742CC3.6040005@travelersdiary.com>
Message-ID: <20051111211435.GB27287@yinaska.pair.com>

On Fri 2005.11.11 at 00:31 -0500, Josh McCormack wrote:
> Also, I'm having troubles getting X working on my new install of OpenBSD 
> 3.8 on a Presario 1200. Any help would be appreciated.

more info may help - dmesg? what's the issue exactly?



From okan  Fri Nov 11 16:16:23 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:16:23 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] using filezilla
In-Reply-To: <20051111152415.GA5975@sta.duo>
References: <20051111152415.GA5975@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <20051111211623.GC27287@yinaska.pair.com>

On Fri 2005.11.11 at 10:24 -0500, George Georgalis wrote:
> A while back there was a discussion about windows clients to
> transfer files to Unix. Seems a lot of people are using filezilla.
> 
> It would seem filezilla doesn't preserve modification times.
> (?!?) Is there a configuration option I'm missing?
> 
> 
> There is also an issue of converting <cr><lf> to <cr> and
> vice-versa.  It seems winscp has an auto detect and convert
> feature built in. How do people feel about doing a stream edit
> with winscp?

i always pitch winscp - clean, fast, featureful, and it works. no issues
have been reported to me about conversion issues...



From njt  Fri Nov 11 14:34:38 2005
From: njt (N.J. Thomas)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:34:38 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cisco switch redundancy
Message-ID: <20051111193438.GK29011@ayvali.org>

I have a Cisco 6506 switch that I'd like to provide some redundancy for.

What I was thinking of doing was setting up a BSD/Linux box running
VRRP, and if the 6506 died, fail over to the PC. Which will (hopefully)
give us enough time to replace the 6506.

Has anyone done anything like this before? Is this even doable? Can BSD
speak HSRP (Cisco's proprietary version of VRRP)?

Being cheap may or may not be the best option here. I know I could get
another 6506 and then use HSRP to get redundancy, but if there is a
cheaper solution, I'd like to hear about it first.

thanks,
Thomas

-- 
N.J. Thomas
njt at ayvali.org
Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo



From alex  Fri Nov 11 16:31:19 2005
From: alex (alex at pilosoft.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:31:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cisco switch redundancy
In-Reply-To: <20051111193438.GK29011@ayvali.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0511111627210.29871-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, N.J. Thomas wrote:

> I have a Cisco 6506 switch that I'd like to provide some redundancy for.
> 
> What I was thinking of doing was setting up a BSD/Linux box running
> VRRP, and if the 6506 died, fail over to the PC. Which will (hopefully)
> give us enough time to replace the 6506.
> 
> Has anyone done anything like this before? Is this even doable? Can BSD
> speak HSRP (Cisco's proprietary version of VRRP)?
No. But cisco can speak VRRP. 

> Being cheap may or may not be the best option here. I know I could get
> another 6506 and then use HSRP to get redundancy, but if there is a
> cheaper solution, I'd like to hear about it first.
You didn't provide enough information about your network to give an
intelligent response. For example - what sup do you have in cisco? what do
you have plugged into cisco - servers plugged directly or you have L2 
switches plugged into it or you have L3 switches, etc.

-alex




From okan  Fri Nov 11 16:29:57 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:29:57 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] cisco switch redundancy
In-Reply-To: <20051111193438.GK29011@ayvali.org>
References: <20051111193438.GK29011@ayvali.org>
Message-ID: <20051111212957.GE27287@yinaska.pair.com>

On Fri 2005.11.11 at 14:34 -0500, N.J. Thomas wrote:
> I have a Cisco 6506 switch that I'd like to provide some redundancy for.
> 
> What I was thinking of doing was setting up a BSD/Linux box running
> VRRP, and if the 6506 died, fail over to the PC. Which will (hopefully)
> give us enough time to replace the 6506.
> 
> Has anyone done anything like this before? Is this even doable? Can BSD
> speak HSRP (Cisco's proprietary version of VRRP)?

not really.

1. cisco speaks vrrp and hsrp, openbsd speaks carp
2. are you really using the 6506 as a router *only* - that's an
expensive router, for it's really a layer 3 switch...
3. if you do any layer 2 on that and your 6506 goes, no amount of
redundancy will work if you have your devices all pluggged into that one
switch. have i seen just the rsm go in a 6500 - yes..but more often
than not, it doesn't fail gracefully like cisco'd like you to think -
usually the whole thing goes bonkers...

there are many designs on how to do redundany layer 3 switching/routing
at this scale, which are somewhat out of scope here...but if anyone
wants, we can get into it.

> Being cheap may or may not be the best option here. I know I could get
> another 6506 and then use HSRP to get redundancy, but if there is a
> cheaper solution, I'd like to hear about it first.

if you are putting out for 6506, i'm curious as to why you are worried
about $$$. redundancy at this scale can get expensive.




From lists  Fri Nov 11 12:16:05 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:16:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Nycbug.org Site down?
Message-ID: <20051111121535.W71437@zoraida.natserv.net>

Is the site down?





From okan  Fri Nov 11 16:51:00 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:51:00 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Nycbug.org Site down?
In-Reply-To: <20051111121535.W71437@zoraida.natserv.net>
References: <20051111121535.W71437@zoraida.natserv.net>
Message-ID: <20051111215100.GA50727@yinaska.pair.com>

On Fri 2005.11.11 at 12:16 -0500, Francisco Reyes wrote:
> Is the site down?

was ;)



From spork  Fri Nov 11 16:58:40 2005
From: spork (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:58:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] out of band
In-Reply-To: <20051110124156.637dcc9c@genoverly.com>
References: <20051110124156.637dcc9c@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511111656300.348@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, michael wrote:

> I'm looking for a small, out of band, console server solution.  The
> cyclades boxen are prohibitively expensive and overkill for my needs.
>
> First, I was going to try to give purpose to an old Sun Netra T 105
> running OpenBSD. Can anyone recommend a 4 port serial pci card?

Paul Vixie said ISC runs these things:

http://www.usbgear.com/computer_cable_details.cfm?sku=USB-16COM-RM&cats=199&catid=493%2C494%2C474%2C199%2C461%2C106%2C1009%2C601

There are also smaller versions that are pretty cheap.  Pair this with a 
small, cheap server (perhaps one of your existing servers) and you're good 
to go.  They've also got DB9-DB9 null modem cables for about $2.

C

>
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>



From okan  Fri Nov 11 17:09:21 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:09:21 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] out of band
In-Reply-To: <20051110124156.637dcc9c@genoverly.com>
References: <20051110124156.637dcc9c@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <20051111220921.GA52648@yinaska.pair.com>

On Thu 2005.11.10 at 12:41 -0500, michael wrote:
> I'm looking for a small, out of band, console server solution.  The
> cyclades boxen are prohibitively expensive and overkill for my needs.
> 
> First, I was going to try to give purpose to an old Sun Netra T 105
> running OpenBSD. Can anyone recommend a 4 port serial pci card?

heads up for sticking anything in the 105 pci slot. i don't recall off
the top of my head, but there are issues with the 105's odd initization
of the pci bridge. basically, to my knowledge, it doesn't work.



From george  Fri Nov 11 18:11:58 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:11:58 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] rsync only for backups
In-Reply-To: <20051111211308.GA27287@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <43726175.3090607@sddi.net>	<20051109210531.GA2854@yinaska.pair.com>
	<20051111211308.GA27287@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <4375253E.3050408@sddi.net>

Okan Demirmen wrote:
> On Wed 2005.11.09 at 16:05 -0500, Okan Demirmen wrote:
> 
>>On Wed 2005.11.09 at 15:52 -0500, George Rosamond wrote:
>>
>>>Have been using this for a few clients to do rsync with OpenSSH on 
>>>Windows, so thought I'd spread the word.
>>>
>>>http://freebsdwiki.net/index.php/SSH:_Limiting_to_SCP_or_Rsync_only
>>>
>>>Basically, you compile an rsync/scp/sftp-only shell with the c code 
>>>provided (which you can of course edit), and replace the remote user's 
>>>shell who's backing up their stuff.
>>
>>i imagine you are using keys, so why not use what sshd(8) gives you?
> 
> 
> i should have been more clear...

Yes....you are now designated "Okan the Abstract".

Gee, okan, the number in paren after sshd and systrace. . . . is this 
the number of times can you say it fast?  ;-'

Seriously, Okan and I discussed offlist.. . .

> 
> snip of an example ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file:
> 
> no-port-forwarding,no-X11-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding,no-pty,
> command="/usr/local/bin/rsync /var/symon" ssh-dss ....
> symon_backup_only_key_for_fun_with_keys at example.com
> 
> only allows this key to rsync the /var/symon tree. of course, a key for
> every command is silly, but the point is there.
> 
> 
>>that's just me - try to use what you can in base first.
>>
>>
>>>This is not a 100% secure solution as the user can rsync/scp/sftp to 
>>>anywhere that they have rights to. . . but at least it's a start.
>>
>>or systrace(1) ...
> 
> 
> systrace(1) can be fun and a hair-pulling exercise at the same time ;)
> 

This is a route I have to try out. . .

While keys with rsynconly as the shell is a good start, the sshd 
enhancements Okan referred to are a good edition, including systrace.

As a packaged solution for server and clients, it's an ideal method for 
those consulting or full-timers looking to bring *BSD boxes into their 
operations, and it's remarkably low overhead on the Win32 boxes.  I will 
write it all up at some point, although it's really not even worth the 
time it's so simple.

One point, however, make sure you use the OpenSSH for Windows, as some 
of the window executible ssh's are ssh1 only.

http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/

g



From george  Fri Nov 11 18:13:50 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:13:50 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Nycbug.org Site down?
In-Reply-To: <20051111215100.GA50727@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <20051111121535.W71437@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<20051111215100.GA50727@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <437525AE.1060305@sddi.net>

Okan Demirmen wrote:
> On Fri 2005.11.11 at 12:16 -0500, Francisco Reyes wrote:
> 
>>Is the site down?
> 
> 
> was ;)

Apparently, there was a power problem down on Wall Street that affected 
Stealth.

At this point, we are yet to migrate our mailman and www to the NYI 
colo.  But that should be happening shortly.

We have been plugging away at the colo, and in the near future we should 
have a number of mirrors up (besides the OpenBSD ftp2), plus a box 
dedicated to NYCBUG.org.

g



From joshmccormack  Fri Nov 11 22:56:44 2005
From: joshmccormack (Josh McCormack)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:56:44 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] X on OpenBSD & nycbug.org down
In-Reply-To: <20051111211435.GB27287@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <43742CC3.6040005@travelersdiary.com>
	<20051111211435.GB27287@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <437567FC.8070405@travelersdiary.com>



Okan Demirmen wrote:

> On Fri 2005.11.11 at 00:31 -0500, Josh McCormack wrote:
> 
>>Also, I'm having troubles getting X working on my new install of OpenBSD 
>>3.8 on a Presario 1200. Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> more info may help - dmesg? what's the issue exactly?

Thanks for the help.

The issue: ran X -configure, then did the test. Screen goes black.

Here's dmesg:

OpenBSD 3.8 (GENERIC) #138: Sat Sep 10 15:41:37 MDT 2005
     deraadt at i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: AMD-K6(tm)-III Processor ("AuthenticAMD" 586-class) 532 MHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,PGE,MMX
real mem  = 196648960 (192040K)
avail mem = 172568576 (168524K)
using 2426 buffers containing 9936896 bytes (9704K) of memory
mainbus0 (root)
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(76) BIOS, date 07/14/00, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd720
apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2
apm0: battery life expectancy 1%
apm0: AC on, battery charge critical, charging
apm0: battery life expectancy 1%
apm0: AC on, battery charge critical, charging
apm0: flags 30102 dobusy 0 doidle 1
pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xfd720/0x8e0
pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfdf70/112 (5 entries)
pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:07:0 ("VIA VT82C596A ISA" rev 0x00)
pcibios0: PCI bus #2 is the last bus
bios0: ROM list: 0xc0000/0xc000 0xdc000/0x4000!
cpu0 at mainbus0
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "VIA VT8501" rev 0x04
ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "VIA VT8501 AGP" rev 0x00
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "Trident CyberBlade i7 AGP" rev 0x5d
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
pcib0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 "VIA VT82C686 ISA" rev 0x19
pciide0 at pci0 dev 7 function 1 "VIA VT82C571 IDE" rev 0x06: ATA66, 
channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility
wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: <TOSHIBA MK6015MAP>
wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 5729MB, 11733120 sectors
wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 4
atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0
scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <TOSHIBA, DVD-ROM SD-C2402, 1007> SCSI0 
5/cdrom removable
cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2
uhci0 at pci0 dev 7 function 2 "VIA VT83C572 USB" rev 0x0a: irq 11
usb0 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0 at usb0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
viaenv0 at pci0 dev 7 function 4 "VIA VT82C686 SMBus" rev 0x20: HWM disabled
auvia0 at pci0 dev 7 function 5 "VIA VT82C686 AC97" rev 0x21: irq 11
ac97: codec id 0x41445348 (Analog Devices AD1881A)
ac97: codec features headphone, Analog Devices Phat Stereo
audio0 at auvia0
"AT&T/Lucent LTMODEM" rev 0x01 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 not configured
cbb0 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 "Texas Instruments PCI1211 CardBus" rev 
0x00: irq 9
isa0 at pcib0
isadma0 at isa0
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot)
pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot
wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0
pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61
midi0 at pcppi0: <PC speaker>
spkr0 at pcppi0
sysbeep0 at pcppi0
lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7
npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: using exception 16
pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2
fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
cardslot0 at cbb0 slot 0 flags 0
cardbus0 at cardslot0: bus 2 device 0 cacheline 0x0, lattimer 0x20
pcmcia0 at cardslot0
biomask ef6d netmask ef6d ttymask ffef
pctr: user-level cycle counter enabled
mtrr: K6-family MTRR support (2 registers)
ep1 at pcmcia0 function 0 "3Com, OfficeConnect 572B, B" port 0xa000/32: 
address 00:00:86:55:12:15
tqphy0 at ep1 phy 0: 78Q2120 10/100 PHY, rev. 10
dkcsum: wd0 matches BIOS drive 0x80
root on wd0a
rootdev=0x0 rrootdev=0x300 rawdev=0x302
WARNING: / was not properly unmounted
syncing disks... done

The operating system has halted.
Please press any key to reboot.

rebooting...
OpenBSD 3.8 (GENERIC) #138: Sat Sep 10 15:41:37 MDT 2005
     deraadt at i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: AMD-K6(tm)-III Processor ("AuthenticAMD" 586-class) 532 MHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,PGE,MMX
real mem  = 196648960 (192040K)
avail mem = 172568576 (168524K)
using 2426 buffers containing 9936896 bytes (9704K) of memory
mainbus0 (root)
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(6b) BIOS, date 07/14/00, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd720
apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2
apm0: battery life expectancy 14%
apm0: AC on, battery charge critical, charging
apm0: flags 30102 dobusy 0 doidle 1
pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xfd720/0x8e0
pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfdf70/112 (5 entries)
pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:07:0 ("VIA VT82C596A ISA" rev 0x00)
pcibios0: PCI bus #2 is the last bus
bios0: ROM list: 0xc0000/0xc000 0xdc000/0x4000!
cpu0 at mainbus0
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "VIA VT8501" rev 0x04
ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "VIA VT8501 AGP" rev 0x00
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "Trident CyberBlade i7 AGP" rev 0x5d
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
pcib0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 "VIA VT82C686 ISA" rev 0x19
pciide0 at pci0 dev 7 function 1 "VIA VT82C571 IDE" rev 0x06: ATA66, 
channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility
wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: <TOSHIBA MK6015MAP>
wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 5729MB, 11733120 sectors
wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 4
atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0
scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <TOSHIBA, DVD-ROM SD-C2402, 1007> SCSI0 
5/cdrom removable
cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2
uhci0 at pci0 dev 7 function 2 "VIA VT83C572 USB" rev 0x0a: irq 11
usb0 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0 at usb0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
viaenv0 at pci0 dev 7 function 4 "VIA VT82C686 SMBus" rev 0x20: HWM disabled
auvia0 at pci0 dev 7 function 5 "VIA VT82C686 AC97" rev 0x21: irq 11
ac97: codec id 0x41445348 (Analog Devices AD1881A)
ac97: codec features headphone, Analog Devices Phat Stereo
audio0 at auvia0
"AT&T/Lucent LTMODEM" rev 0x01 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 not configured
cbb0 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 "Texas Instruments PCI1211 CardBus" rev 
0x00: irq 9
isa0 at pcib0
isadma0 at isa0
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot)
pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot
wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0
pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61
midi0 at pcppi0: <PC speaker>
spkr0 at pcppi0
sysbeep0 at pcppi0
lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7
npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: using exception 16
pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2
fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
cardslot0 at cbb0 slot 0 flags 0
cardbus0 at cardslot0: bus 2 device 0 cacheline 0x0, lattimer 0x20
pcmcia0 at cardslot0
biomask ef6d netmask ef6d ttymask ffef
pctr: user-level cycle counter enabled
mtrr: K6-family MTRR support (2 registers)
ep1 at pcmcia0 function 0 "3Com, OfficeConnect 572B, B" port 0xa000/32: 
address 00:00:86:55:12:15
tqphy0 at ep1 phy 0: 78Q2120 10/100 PHY, rev. 10
dkcsum: wd0 matches BIOS drive 0x80
root on wd0a
rootdev=0x0 rrootdev=0x300 rawdev=0x302
syncing disks... done

The operating system has halted.
Please press any key to reboot.

rebooting...
OpenBSD 3.8 (GENERIC) #138: Sat Sep 10 15:41:37 MDT 2005
     deraadt at i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: AMD-K6(tm)-III Processor ("AuthenticAMD" 586-class) 435 MHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,PGE,MMX
real mem  = 196648960 (192040K)
avail mem = 172568576 (168524K)
using 2426 buffers containing 9936896 bytes (9704K) of memory
mainbus0 (root)
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(c7) BIOS, date 07/14/00, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd720
apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2
apm0: battery life expectancy 35%
apm0: AC on, battery charge low, charging
apm0: flags 30102 dobusy 0 doidle 1
pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xfd720/0x8e0
pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfdf70/112 (5 entries)
pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:07:0 ("VIA VT82C596A ISA" rev 0x00)
pcibios0: PCI bus #2 is the last bus
bios0: ROM list: 0xc0000/0xc000 0xdc000/0x4000!
cpu0 at mainbus0
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "VIA VT8501" rev 0x04
ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "VIA VT8501 AGP" rev 0x00
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "Trident CyberBlade i7 AGP" rev 0x5d
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
pcib0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 "VIA VT82C686 ISA" rev 0x19
pciide0 at pci0 dev 7 function 1 "VIA VT82C571 IDE" rev 0x06: ATA66, 
channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility
wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: <TOSHIBA MK6015MAP>
wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 5729MB, 11733120 sectors
wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 4
atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0
scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <TOSHIBA, DVD-ROM SD-C2402, 1007> SCSI0 
5/cdrom removable
cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2
uhci0 at pci0 dev 7 function 2 "VIA VT83C572 USB" rev 0x0a: irq 11
usb0 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0 at usb0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
viaenv0 at pci0 dev 7 function 4 "VIA VT82C686 SMBus" rev 0x20: HWM disabled
auvia0 at pci0 dev 7 function 5 "VIA VT82C686 AC97" rev 0x21: irq 11
ac97: codec id 0x41445348 (Analog Devices AD1881A)
ac97: codec features headphone, Analog Devices Phat Stereo
audio0 at auvia0
"AT&T/Lucent LTMODEM" rev 0x01 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 not configured
cbb0 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 "Texas Instruments PCI1211 CardBus" rev 
0x00: irq 9
isa0 at pcib0
isadma0 at isa0
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot)
pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot
wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0
pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61
midi0 at pcppi0: <PC speaker>
spkr0 at pcppi0
sysbeep0 at pcppi0
lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7
npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: using exception 16
pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2
fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
cardslot0 at cbb0 slot 0 flags 0
cardbus0 at cardslot0: bus 2 device 0 cacheline 0x0, lattimer 0x20
pcmcia0 at cardslot0
biomask ef6d netmask ef6d ttymask ffef
pctr: user-level cycle counter enabled
mtrr: K6-family MTRR support (2 registers)
ep1 at pcmcia0 function 0 "3Com, OfficeConnect 572B, B" port 0xa000/32: 
address 00:00:86:55:12:15
tqphy0 at ep1 phy 0: 78Q2120 10/100 PHY, rev. 10
dkcsum: wd0 matches BIOS drive 0x80
root on wd0a
rootdev=0x0 rrootdev=0x300 rawdev=0x302




From george  Sat Nov 12 17:53:07 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:53:07 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] extracting a windows cab file... sigh...
Message-ID: <20051112225307.GG22809@sta.duo>

I'd like to repair a friends W2000 computer.

Long story short, I need to replace 
root>\system32\ntoskrnl.exe

with 
 geo at fuji:~ % file /Volumes/W2PSEL_EN/I386/NTOSKRNL.EX_
/Volumes/W2PSEL_EN/I386/NTOSKRNL.EX_: Microsoft Cabinet file, 761193 bytes, 1 file

but I've no idea how to extract a cab file... the w2000 disk fails to start.

I can boot frisbie for full access to replace it but....

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From spork  Sat Nov 12 18:21:17 2005
From: spork (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:21:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] extracting a windows cab file... sigh...
In-Reply-To: <20051112225307.GG22809@sta.duo>
References: <20051112225307.GG22809@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511121820440.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, George Georgalis wrote:

> but I've no idea how to extract a cab file... the w2000 disk fails to start.

If you have to extract on FBSD, have a look at 
/usr/ports/archivers/cabextract

C

> I can boot frisbie for full access to replace it but....
>
> // George
>
>
> -- 
> George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
> http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From jonathan  Sat Nov 12 19:31:42 2005
From: jonathan (Jonathan)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:31:42 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NFS Client for Windows
Message-ID: <4376896E.3030109@kc8onw.net>

Hello, oh wise ones :)

I'm running FreeBSD on my server and use it as my desktop most of the 
time, but for those times when I have to use Windows (games mostly :P) 
it would be nice to have access to the files shared from my server.  I 
know I could set up Samba on the server but I would rather avoid that if 
possible.  Does anyone know of a free NFS client for windows that will 
work for more than a 15-30 day evaluation period?  Also I tried 
Microsoft Services For Unix (SFU) and got confused pretty quickly.

Thanks,
Jonathan



From spork  Sat Nov 12 20:16:02 2005
From: spork (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:16:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] gmirror tutorial
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511122015120.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/11/10/FreeBSD_Basics.html

Nice one!

I see not even Dru will brave vinum. :)

Charles



From dlavigne6  Sat Nov 12 20:28:47 2005
From: dlavigne6 (Dru)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:28:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] gmirror tutorial
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511122015120.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511122015120.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
Message-ID: <20051112202646.D549@dru.domain.org>



On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Charles Sprickman wrote:

> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/11/10/FreeBSD_Basics.html
>
> Nice one!
>
> I see not even Dru will brave vinum. :)


Especially now that the entire vinum subsystem has been removed in favour 
of geom:

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/relnotes-i386.html

I spent this week learning how to create PBIs for PC-BSD which will be the 
next article. Anyone interested in previewing the notes, ping me.

Dru



From dlavigne6  Sat Nov 12 20:34:11 2005
From: dlavigne6 (Dru)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:34:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NFS Client for Windows
In-Reply-To: <4376896E.3030109@kc8onw.net>
References: <4376896E.3030109@kc8onw.net>
Message-ID: <20051112203158.R549@dru.domain.org>



On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Jonathan wrote:

> Hello, oh wise ones :)
>
> I'm running FreeBSD on my server and use it as my desktop most of the time, 
> but for those times when I have to use Windows (games mostly :P) it would be 
> nice to have access to the files shared from my server.  I know I could set 
> up Samba on the server but I would rather avoid that if possible.  Does 
> anyone know of a free NFS client for windows that will work for more than a 
> 15-30 day evaluation period?  Also I tried Microsoft Services For Unix (SFU) 
> and got confused pretty quickly.


SFU is pretty deprecated and NFS makes me shudder (but that's just me). 
When I want to grab files from FreeBSD to Windows, I just putty them over.

Dru



From george  Sat Nov 12 22:25:51 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:25:51 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] extracting a windows cab file... sigh...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511121820440.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
References: <20051112225307.GG22809@sta.duo>
	<Pine.OSX.4.61.0511121820440.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
Message-ID: <20051113032551.GI22809@sta.duo>

On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 06:21:17PM -0500, Charles Sprickman wrote:
>
>If you have to extract on FBSD, have a look at 
>/usr/ports/archivers/cabextract

cool that worked... but system32 was all empty .)

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From nomadlogic  Sun Nov 13 00:03:36 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:03:36 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NFS Client for Windows
In-Reply-To: <20051112203158.R549@dru.domain.org>
References: <4376896E.3030109@kc8onw.net> <20051112203158.R549@dru.domain.org>
Message-ID: <57d710000511122103u5387a994vc55244efac03e72e@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/12/05, Dru <dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Jonathan wrote:
>
> > Hello, oh wise ones :)
> >
> > I'm running FreeBSD on my server and use it as my desktop most of the
> time,
> > but for those times when I have to use Windows (games mostly :P) it
> would be
> > nice to have access to the files shared from my server. I know I could
> set
> > up Samba on the server but I would rather avoid that if possible. Does
> > anyone know of a free NFS client for windows that will work for more
> than a
> > 15-30 day evaluation period? Also I tried Microsoft Services For Unix
> (SFU)
> > and got confused pretty quickly.
>
>
> SFU is pretty deprecated and NFS makes me shudder (but that's just me).
> When I want to grab files from FreeBSD to Windows, I just putty them over.
>
> Dru



yea SFU is no longer supported by MS. i'd give sharity a try:

http://www.obdev.at/products/sharity/index.html

not bsd or gpl'd but sharity lite is free.
-p


--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
NYC's *BSD User Group
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From nomadlogic  Sun Nov 13 00:06:44 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:06:44 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] gmirror tutorial
In-Reply-To: <20051112202646.D549@dru.domain.org>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511122015120.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
	<20051112202646.D549@dru.domain.org>
Message-ID: <57d710000511122106x330054e7ue61159038988a1c3@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/12/05, Dru <dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Charles Sprickman wrote:
>
> > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/11/10/FreeBSD_Basics.html
> >
> > Nice one!
> >
> > I see not even Dru will brave vinum. :)
>
>
> Especially now that the entire vinum subsystem has been removed in favour
> of geom:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/relnotes-i386.html
>
> I spent this week learning how to create PBIs for PC-BSD which will be the
> next article. Anyone interested in previewing the notes, ping me.



I'd be into checking that out Dru.

I was playing with gmirror and gstripe recently and have been quite happy
with it (the man pages are great for getting started), especially in
conjunction with devfs...now if i only had time to play with GEOM's RAID3
implementation...
-p

--
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www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
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From lists  Sun Nov 13 09:35:47 2005
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:35:47 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fw: Newsletter from O'Reilly
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From mikel.king  Sun Nov 13 09:59:23 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:59:23 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] gmirror tutorial
In-Reply-To: <20051112202646.D549@dru.domain.org>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511122015120.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
	<20051112202646.D549@dru.domain.org>
Message-ID: <D336E8F5-9343-4E88-9383-B539F9D9AF33@ocsny.com>


On Nov 12, 2005, at 8:28 PM, Dru wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Charles Sprickman wrote:
>
>> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/11/10/FreeBSD_Basics.html
>>
>> Nice one!
>>
>> I see not even Dru will brave vinum. :)
>
>
> Especially now that the entire vinum subsystem has been removed in  
> favour of geom:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/relnotes-i386.html
>
> I spent this week learning how to create PBIs for PC-BSD which will  
> be the next article. Anyone interested in previewing the notes,  
> ping me.
>
> Dru


ping

:-)





From jonathan  Sun Nov 13 10:14:14 2005
From: jonathan (Jonathan)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:14:14 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NFS Client for Windows
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511122103u5387a994vc55244efac03e72e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4376896E.3030109@kc8onw.net> <20051112203158.R549@dru.domain.org>
	<57d710000511122103u5387a994vc55244efac03e72e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43775846.6040701@kc8onw.net>

pete wright wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/12/05, *Dru* <dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca 
> <mailto:dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Jonathan wrote:
> 
>      > Hello, oh wise ones :)
>      >
>      > I'm running FreeBSD on my server and use it as my desktop most of
>     the time,
>      > but for those times when I have to use Windows (games mostly :P)
>     it would be
>      > nice to have access to the files shared from my server.  I know I
>     could set
>      > up Samba on the server but I would rather avoid that if
>     possible.  Does
>      > anyone know of a free NFS client for windows that will work for
>     more than a
>      > 15-30 day evaluation period?  Also I tried Microsoft Services For
>     Unix (SFU)
>      > and got confused pretty quickly.
> 
> 
>     SFU is pretty deprecated and NFS makes me shudder (but that's just me).
>     When I want to grab files from FreeBSD to Windows, I just putty them
>     over.
> 
>     Dru
> 
> 
> 
> yea SFU is no longer supported by MS.  i'd give sharity a try:
> 
> http://www.obdev.at/products/sharity/index.html
> 
> not bsd or gpl'd but sharity lite is free.
> -p
> 
Pretty much exactly what I was looking for, in the wrong direction :P  I 
guess I'll just have to set up Samba as well as NFS.  Of course the more 
of this I do hopefully the better my resume will look :)

Thanks for all the suggestions,
Jonathan



From tux  Sun Nov 13 13:11:37 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:11:37 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] extracting a windows cab file... sigh...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511121820440.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
References: <20051112225307.GG22809@sta.duo>
	<Pine.OSX.4.61.0511121820440.5034@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
Message-ID: <437781D9.1030907@penguinnetwerx.net>

Charles Sprickman wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, George Georgalis wrote:
> 
>> but I've no idea how to extract a cab file... the w2000 disk fails to 
>> start.

You can grab the "extract.exe" util from M$ (used to be included in Win9x) to 
extract files from a .cab file here:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/tools/existing/extract-o.asp

 From that URL:

"Using Windows 2000, and Windows 98 with Microsoft Internet Explorer 4 and later, 
you can use Windows Explorer to view and extract files from .cab files."

-Kev

-- 
It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything 
runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?




From anthony.elizondo  Sun Nov 13 14:23:00 2005
From: anthony.elizondo (Anthony Elizondo)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:23:00 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] X on OpenBSD & nycbug.org down
In-Reply-To: <437567FC.8070405@travelersdiary.com>
References: <43742CC3.6040005@travelersdiary.com>
	<20051111211435.GB27287@yinaska.pair.com>
	<437567FC.8070405@travelersdiary.com>
Message-ID: <a49e62c80511131123ka62c5dam73c193a6c07cf8bb@mail.gmail.com>

Can we have the xorg.conf file that it output? Also, the resolution of
your lcd panel.

See http://www.rodsbooks.com/presario/ for an example XF86Config that
should help you tweak the autoconfigured one.



From okan  Sun Nov 13 14:35:36 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:35:36 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] X on OpenBSD & nycbug.org down
In-Reply-To: <437567FC.8070405@travelersdiary.com>
References: <43742CC3.6040005@travelersdiary.com>
	<20051111211435.GB27287@yinaska.pair.com>
	<437567FC.8070405@travelersdiary.com>
Message-ID: <20051113193535.GA66160@yinaska.pair.com>

On Fri 2005.11.11 at 22:56 -0500, Josh McCormack wrote:
> 
> 
> Okan Demirmen wrote:
> 
> >On Fri 2005.11.11 at 00:31 -0500, Josh McCormack wrote:
> >
> >>Also, I'm having troubles getting X working on my new install of OpenBSD 
> >>3.8 on a Presario 1200. Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >more info may help - dmesg? what's the issue exactly?
> 
> Thanks for the help.

did you try starting X without xorg.conf? remove (or move) it out of the
way and just startx. the majority of my machines that run openbsd just
auto-configure and work. of course, tweaking and such requires the conf
file, but at least it may tell you something.

> The issue: ran X -configure, then did the test. Screen goes black.
> 
> Here's dmesg:
> 
> OpenBSD 3.8 (GENERIC) #138: Sat Sep 10 15:41:37 MDT 2005
>     deraadt at i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
> cpu0: AMD-K6(tm)-III Processor ("AuthenticAMD" 586-class) 532 MHz
> cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,PGE,MMX
> real mem  = 196648960 (192040K)
> avail mem = 172568576 (168524K)
> using 2426 buffers containing 9936896 bytes (9704K) of memory
> mainbus0 (root)
> bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(76) BIOS, date 07/14/00, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd720
> apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2
> apm0: battery life expectancy 1%
> apm0: AC on, battery charge critical, charging
> apm0: battery life expectancy 1%
> apm0: AC on, battery charge critical, charging
> apm0: flags 30102 dobusy 0 doidle 1
> pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xfd720/0x8e0
> pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfdf70/112 (5 entries)
> pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:07:0 ("VIA VT82C596A ISA" rev 0x00)
> pcibios0: PCI bus #2 is the last bus
> bios0: ROM list: 0xc0000/0xc000 0xdc000/0x4000!
> cpu0 at mainbus0
> pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
> pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "VIA VT8501" rev 0x04
> ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "VIA VT8501 AGP" rev 0x00
> pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
> vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "Trident CyberBlade i7 AGP" rev 0x5d
> wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
> wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
> pcib0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 "VIA VT82C686 ISA" rev 0x19
> pciide0 at pci0 dev 7 function 1 "VIA VT82C571 IDE" rev 0x06: ATA66, 
> channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility
> wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: <TOSHIBA MK6015MAP>
> wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 5729MB, 11733120 sectors
> wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 4
> atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0
> scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
> cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <TOSHIBA, DVD-ROM SD-C2402, 1007> SCSI0 
> 5/cdrom removable
> cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2
> uhci0 at pci0 dev 7 function 2 "VIA VT83C572 USB" rev 0x0a: irq 11
> usb0 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
> uhub0 at usb0
> uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
> uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
> viaenv0 at pci0 dev 7 function 4 "VIA VT82C686 SMBus" rev 0x20: HWM disabled
> auvia0 at pci0 dev 7 function 5 "VIA VT82C686 AC97" rev 0x21: irq 11
> ac97: codec id 0x41445348 (Analog Devices AD1881A)
> ac97: codec features headphone, Analog Devices Phat Stereo
> audio0 at auvia0
> "AT&T/Lucent LTMODEM" rev 0x01 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 not configured
> cbb0 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 "Texas Instruments PCI1211 CardBus" rev 
> 0x00: irq 9
> isa0 at pcib0
> isadma0 at isa0
> pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
> pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
> pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
> wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
> pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot)
> pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot
> wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0
> pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61
> midi0 at pcppi0: <PC speaker>
> spkr0 at pcppi0
> sysbeep0 at pcppi0
> lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7
> npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: using exception 16
> pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
> fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2
> fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
> cardslot0 at cbb0 slot 0 flags 0
> cardbus0 at cardslot0: bus 2 device 0 cacheline 0x0, lattimer 0x20
> pcmcia0 at cardslot0
> biomask ef6d netmask ef6d ttymask ffef
> pctr: user-level cycle counter enabled
> mtrr: K6-family MTRR support (2 registers)
> ep1 at pcmcia0 function 0 "3Com, OfficeConnect 572B, B" port 0xa000/32: 
> address 00:00:86:55:12:15
> tqphy0 at ep1 phy 0: 78Q2120 10/100 PHY, rev. 10
> dkcsum: wd0 matches BIOS drive 0x80
> root on wd0a
> rootdev=0x0 rrootdev=0x300 rawdev=0x302
> WARNING: / was not properly unmounted
> syncing disks... done
> 
> The operating system has halted.
> Please press any key to reboot.
> 
> rebooting...
> OpenBSD 3.8 (GENERIC) #138: Sat Sep 10 15:41:37 MDT 2005
>     deraadt at i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
> cpu0: AMD-K6(tm)-III Processor ("AuthenticAMD" 586-class) 532 MHz
> cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,PGE,MMX
> real mem  = 196648960 (192040K)
> avail mem = 172568576 (168524K)
> using 2426 buffers containing 9936896 bytes (9704K) of memory
> mainbus0 (root)
> bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(6b) BIOS, date 07/14/00, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd720
> apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2
> apm0: battery life expectancy 14%
> apm0: AC on, battery charge critical, charging
> apm0: flags 30102 dobusy 0 doidle 1
> pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xfd720/0x8e0
> pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfdf70/112 (5 entries)
> pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:07:0 ("VIA VT82C596A ISA" rev 0x00)
> pcibios0: PCI bus #2 is the last bus
> bios0: ROM list: 0xc0000/0xc000 0xdc000/0x4000!
> cpu0 at mainbus0
> pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
> pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "VIA VT8501" rev 0x04
> ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "VIA VT8501 AGP" rev 0x00
> pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
> vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "Trident CyberBlade i7 AGP" rev 0x5d
> wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
> wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
> pcib0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 "VIA VT82C686 ISA" rev 0x19
> pciide0 at pci0 dev 7 function 1 "VIA VT82C571 IDE" rev 0x06: ATA66, 
> channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility
> wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: <TOSHIBA MK6015MAP>
> wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 5729MB, 11733120 sectors
> wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 4
> atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0
> scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
> cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <TOSHIBA, DVD-ROM SD-C2402, 1007> SCSI0 
> 5/cdrom removable
> cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2
> uhci0 at pci0 dev 7 function 2 "VIA VT83C572 USB" rev 0x0a: irq 11
> usb0 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
> uhub0 at usb0
> uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
> uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
> viaenv0 at pci0 dev 7 function 4 "VIA VT82C686 SMBus" rev 0x20: HWM disabled
> auvia0 at pci0 dev 7 function 5 "VIA VT82C686 AC97" rev 0x21: irq 11
> ac97: codec id 0x41445348 (Analog Devices AD1881A)
> ac97: codec features headphone, Analog Devices Phat Stereo
> audio0 at auvia0
> "AT&T/Lucent LTMODEM" rev 0x01 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 not configured
> cbb0 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 "Texas Instruments PCI1211 CardBus" rev 
> 0x00: irq 9
> isa0 at pcib0
> isadma0 at isa0
> pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
> pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
> pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
> wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
> pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot)
> pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot
> wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0
> pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61
> midi0 at pcppi0: <PC speaker>
> spkr0 at pcppi0
> sysbeep0 at pcppi0
> lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7
> npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: using exception 16
> pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
> fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2
> fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
> cardslot0 at cbb0 slot 0 flags 0
> cardbus0 at cardslot0: bus 2 device 0 cacheline 0x0, lattimer 0x20
> pcmcia0 at cardslot0
> biomask ef6d netmask ef6d ttymask ffef
> pctr: user-level cycle counter enabled
> mtrr: K6-family MTRR support (2 registers)
> ep1 at pcmcia0 function 0 "3Com, OfficeConnect 572B, B" port 0xa000/32: 
> address 00:00:86:55:12:15
> tqphy0 at ep1 phy 0: 78Q2120 10/100 PHY, rev. 10
> dkcsum: wd0 matches BIOS drive 0x80
> root on wd0a
> rootdev=0x0 rrootdev=0x300 rawdev=0x302
> syncing disks... done
> 
> The operating system has halted.
> Please press any key to reboot.
> 
> rebooting...
> OpenBSD 3.8 (GENERIC) #138: Sat Sep 10 15:41:37 MDT 2005
>     deraadt at i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
> cpu0: AMD-K6(tm)-III Processor ("AuthenticAMD" 586-class) 435 MHz
> cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,PGE,MMX
> real mem  = 196648960 (192040K)
> avail mem = 172568576 (168524K)
> using 2426 buffers containing 9936896 bytes (9704K) of memory
> mainbus0 (root)
> bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(c7) BIOS, date 07/14/00, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd720
> apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2
> apm0: battery life expectancy 35%
> apm0: AC on, battery charge low, charging
> apm0: flags 30102 dobusy 0 doidle 1
> pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xfd720/0x8e0
> pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfdf70/112 (5 entries)
> pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:07:0 ("VIA VT82C596A ISA" rev 0x00)
> pcibios0: PCI bus #2 is the last bus
> bios0: ROM list: 0xc0000/0xc000 0xdc000/0x4000!
> cpu0 at mainbus0
> pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
> pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "VIA VT8501" rev 0x04
> ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "VIA VT8501 AGP" rev 0x00
> pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
> vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "Trident CyberBlade i7 AGP" rev 0x5d
> wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
> wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
> pcib0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 "VIA VT82C686 ISA" rev 0x19
> pciide0 at pci0 dev 7 function 1 "VIA VT82C571 IDE" rev 0x06: ATA66, 
> channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility
> wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: <TOSHIBA MK6015MAP>
> wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 5729MB, 11733120 sectors
> wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 4
> atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0
> scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
> cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <TOSHIBA, DVD-ROM SD-C2402, 1007> SCSI0 
> 5/cdrom removable
> cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2
> uhci0 at pci0 dev 7 function 2 "VIA VT83C572 USB" rev 0x0a: irq 11
> usb0 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0
> uhub0 at usb0
> uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
> uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
> viaenv0 at pci0 dev 7 function 4 "VIA VT82C686 SMBus" rev 0x20: HWM disabled
> auvia0 at pci0 dev 7 function 5 "VIA VT82C686 AC97" rev 0x21: irq 11
> ac97: codec id 0x41445348 (Analog Devices AD1881A)
> ac97: codec features headphone, Analog Devices Phat Stereo
> audio0 at auvia0
> "AT&T/Lucent LTMODEM" rev 0x01 at pci0 dev 9 function 0 not configured
> cbb0 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 "Texas Instruments PCI1211 CardBus" rev 
> 0x00: irq 9
> isa0 at pcib0
> isadma0 at isa0
> pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
> pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
> pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
> wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
> pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot)
> pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot
> wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0
> pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61
> midi0 at pcppi0: <PC speaker>
> spkr0 at pcppi0
> sysbeep0 at pcppi0
> lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7
> npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: using exception 16
> pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
> fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2
> fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
> cardslot0 at cbb0 slot 0 flags 0
> cardbus0 at cardslot0: bus 2 device 0 cacheline 0x0, lattimer 0x20
> pcmcia0 at cardslot0
> biomask ef6d netmask ef6d ttymask ffef
> pctr: user-level cycle counter enabled
> mtrr: K6-family MTRR support (2 registers)
> ep1 at pcmcia0 function 0 "3Com, OfficeConnect 572B, B" port 0xa000/32: 
> address 00:00:86:55:12:15
> tqphy0 at ep1 phy 0: 78Q2120 10/100 PHY, rev. 10
> dkcsum: wd0 matches BIOS drive 0x80
> root on wd0a
> rootdev=0x0 rrootdev=0x300 rawdev=0x302
> 
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month



From nomadlogic  Sun Nov 13 14:48:52 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:48:52 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] X on OpenBSD & nycbug.org down
In-Reply-To: <20051113193535.GA66160@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <43742CC3.6040005@travelersdiary.com>
	<20051111211435.GB27287@yinaska.pair.com>
	<437567FC.8070405@travelersdiary.com>
	<20051113193535.GA66160@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <57d710000511131148k1354f20djdd3d3eff87f27a48@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/13/05, Okan Demirmen <okan at demirmen.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri 2005.11.11 at 22:56 -0500, Josh McCormack wrote:
> >
> >
> > Okan Demirmen wrote:
> >
> > >On Fri 2005.11.11 at 00:31 -0500, Josh McCormack wrote:
> > >
> > >>Also, I'm having troubles getting X working on my new install of
> OpenBSD
> > >>3.8 on a Presario 1200. Any help would be appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > >more info may help - dmesg? what's the issue exactly?
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
>
> did you try starting X without xorg.conf? remove (or move) it out of the
> way and just startx. the majority of my machines that run openbsd just
> auto-configure and work. of course, tweaking and such requires the conf
> file, but at least it may tell you something.



and if all else fails i find "sudo xorgcfg" works %90 of the time (or "sudo
XF86Cfg" for XF86)
-pete



--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
NYC's *BSD User Group
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From hans.zaunere  Mon Nov 14 11:28:52 2005
From: hans.zaunere (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:28:52 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Server Issues
Message-ID: <009a01c5e938$8277b210$6401a8c0@MobileZ>


All,

As many have noticed, the server supporting NYPHP.org, NYCBUG.org,
ATLPHP.org, and other open source resources, has been up and down over the
last couple of days.

The Wall Street building housing the box has been having transformer, then
generator, and then UPS failures.  Needless to say, something is frying the
electronics, and this is a major headache for facility operators.

Work is being done to resolve the problems, and we expect few, if any,
further interruptions.  A big thanks to the hosting facility for supplying
great service over the years.

And, as a note for those interested in vinum:  It's sustained numerous hard
power cuts on two cheap IDE drives!

Please be sensitive to cross-posting if you wish to respond to this note.


---
Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP
   www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com





From njt  Tue Nov 15 09:41:06 2005
From: njt (N.J. Thomas)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:41:06 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] vsftpd with virtual users?
Message-ID: <20051115144106.GA19707@ayvali.org>

Does anyone here run vsftpd with virtual users?

I've set it up and it works great for the most part, the only problem I
have is with trying to get virtual users set up.

In particular, vsftpd uses pam's userdb module to authenticate the
virtual users, but I can't find pam_userdb.so on my FreeBSD 5.4 box --
nor any references to it in /usr/src. Does OpenPAM not have this module,
or is it called something else?

Thomas

-- 
N.J. Thomas
njt at ayvali.org
Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo



From dlavigne6  Tue Nov 15 12:48:56 2005
From: dlavigne6 (Dru)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:48:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Exist hosting
Message-ID: <20051115124653.B549@dru.domain.org>


Anyone have any experience with or have heard comments good or bad on 
Exist hosting?

http://existhosting.com/servers/freebsd_budget.html

I'm in the market for a FreeBSD dedicated server for $85 or under per 
month and a reasonable setup fee if anyone has any suggestions...

Dru




From matt  Tue Nov 15 15:30:31 2005
From: matt (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:30:31 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Exist hosting
In-Reply-To: <20051115124653.B549@dru.domain.org>
References: <20051115124653.B549@dru.domain.org>
Message-ID: <b82fcd0f2760382195b6865f11834679@jobsforge.com>


On Nov 15, 2005, at 12:48 PM, Dru wrote:

>
> Anyone have any experience with or have heard comments good or bad on 
> Exist hosting?
>
> http://existhosting.com/servers/freebsd_budget.html
>
> I'm in the market for a FreeBSD dedicated server for $85 or under per 
> month and a reasonable setup fee if anyone has any suggestions...

I was scared about Server Pronto because it was so cheap but haven't 
had a complaint. I haven't used their support at all though, if you are 
looking for that.

http://serverpronto.com



>
> Dru
>
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>





From nycbug-list  Tue Nov 15 15:48:28 2005
From: nycbug-list (Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:48:28 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Exist hosting
In-Reply-To: <mailman.96.1132087342.233.talk@lists.nycbug.org>
References: <mailman.96.1132087342.233.talk@lists.nycbug.org>
Message-ID: <A7864521-E7C1-42DE-913A-E54D4FD64D51@2xlp.com>

2 things about serverpronto:

	a_ if i recall, they charge $50 for a power cycle
	b_ they're solidly in bad ip space.

i shared a server with someone a while back.  30% of my outgoing  
emails went though.




From matt  Tue Nov 15 16:22:28 2005
From: matt (Matthew Terenzio)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:22:28 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Exist hosting
In-Reply-To: <A7864521-E7C1-42DE-913A-E54D4FD64D51@2xlp.com>
References: <mailman.96.1132087342.233.talk@lists.nycbug.org>
	<A7864521-E7C1-42DE-913A-E54D4FD64D51@2xlp.com>
Message-ID: <9d50be82b57bea1fede90b5f3ce4dc2f@jobsforge.com>


On Nov 15, 2005, at 3:48 PM, Jonathan wrote:

> 2 things about serverpronto:
>
> 	a_ if i recall, they charge $50 for a power cycle

1 Reboot a  month then $29 I think. I haven't used one yet.


> 	b_ they're solidly in bad ip space.
>
> i shared a server with someone a while back.  30% of my outgoing 
> emails went though.
Could be, since I don't use these servers for my email. The minimal 
emails delivered from my Web apps seem fine, but I'll take your word 
for it.


>
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>




From samwun  Tue Nov 15 18:30:49 2005
From: samwun (samwun at telpacific.com.au)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:30:49 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Re: TinyBSD
Message-ID: <24671.202.6.86.1.1132097449.squirrel@202.6.86.1>

Hi,

Does any one know any low-cost SBC for FreeBSD? Soekie is too expensive
for my project. I m looking for a low-cost SBC under $100 USD or even
lower, around $70 USD. SBC from ARML**** is selling very cheap, but
unfortunately FreeBSD does not have a completed port to ARM yet. I won't
use netbsd because it doesn't even recognise my SCSI card/hard disk.

Thanks
Sam.





From quincy111  Tue Nov 15 20:36:05 2005
From: quincy111 (James)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:36:05 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Exist hosting
In-Reply-To: <20051115124653.B549@dru.domain.org>
References: <20051115124653.B549@dru.domain.org>
Message-ID: <437A8D05.3030004@gmail.com>

Dru wrote:
> Anyone have any experience with or have heard comments good or bad on 
> Exist hosting?
> http://existhosting.com/servers/freebsd_budget.html
>
> I'm in the market for a FreeBSD dedicated server for $85 or under per 
> month and a reasonable setup fee if anyone has any suggestions...
>
> Dru 
Hello Dru and everyone,

I have never really taken apart in conversations before on list, so I'll 
first introduce myself. My name is James and I attended the NYCBSDCon a 
few months back. I had a good time so thanks to everyone who helped put 
it together.

While I can't speak for Exist hosting, NYI has some nice dedicated 
server packages: http://www.nyi.net/dedipackages.html
Since we're a FreeBSD shop, we can definitely install any version you 
would like. What are the exact specs that you're looking for? And as a 
disclaimer, I work for NYI, so I may be biased ;-)

BTW, if this was better taken off list, feel free to tell me so.
- James



From j  Wed Nov 16 07:43:40 2005
From: j (Freeman, Joshua)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:43:40 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] 
	slightly OT: FalconStor storage seminar... free food, Thurs., 12 - 4
Message-ID: <319FD9EAB7A43E43895ACA5AA1F81E0502910D8E@xmail.nybg.org>

Since we're in the market for a SAN at NYBG I was all set to attend this fine sounding event.

Something's come up and I cannot attend.

Apparently there are about still about 10 spaces.  If you are in a decision-making type role at your job and you're in the market for storage solutions this will interest you... Hopefully you can get away for a few hours and check it out.

cheers, J.

--------------snip-----------------

 

DATA PROTECTION: IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT BACKUP ANYMORE

Seminar and gourmet lunch featuring esteemed data protection experts Curtis Preston and Ken Male

Thursday, Nov. 17, 2005

12 ? 4 PM

W Hotel Union Square

201 Park Avenue South, NYC, (Between 17th and 18th street)

REGISTER NOW to Guarantee your Space at the seminar: http://www.falconstor.com/wevent

Phone: 866.NOW.FALC (866.669.3252)

Cost: Complimentary

To help you learn more about protecting and optimizing your storage environment, FalconStor Software ? the industry leader in BCDR and VTL? cordially invites you to an exclusive event on Thursday, November 17 at the hip W Hotel in Union Square, New York. There was a time when data protection just meant backups. They didn't work all that well, but everybody accepted that as the status quo. Now times have changed, with exponentially damaging effects for companies whose backups fail. The good news is that the storage industry is addressing the issues. A powerful panel of experts ? including W. Curtis Preston, VP of Data Protection at GlassHouse Technologies; Ken Male, founder and CEO of The Info Pro; Wayne Lam, co-founder of FalconStor, and John Lallier, VP of Technology at FalconStor ? explain the problems plaguing today's data centers, and follows with the facts about solutions available for all of your most challenging data protection issues.

First-person enduser success stories will be presented by executives from Hartz Mountain, the largest privately held real-estate firm in the US, and Skadden Arps LLP, one of the country?s top corporate law firms.

Gourmet lunch and dessert from Todd English's renowned Olive's restaurant will be served.

Cocktails to follow seminar.

Bonus
You will receive a FREE evaluation of your storage environment, and qualify to win the cool new portable Archos? DVR everyone wants. Plus, you will be eligible to receive a special discount on FalconStor products reserved exclusively for attendees of this event.

More info & online registration: http://www.falconstor.com/register/wevent



Joshua S. Freeman
Director, Information Technology, NYBG
v: 718 817 8937 m: 347 392 2560
jfreeman at nybg dot org | skype: karmester





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From anthony.elizondo  Wed Nov 16 08:17:38 2005
From: anthony.elizondo (Anthony Elizondo)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:17:38 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Verizon BroadbandAccess EVDO on FreeBSD
Message-ID: <a49e62c80511160517v7e92f7e3u28f3ebcf41af58c9@mail.gmail.com>

A few of us were talking about EVDO on FreeBSD at the last meeting.
There is a really nice how-to at
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dga/dot/fbsd_pc5220/

Phil Karn wrote the original Linux how-to at http://www.ka9q.net/5220.html



From lists  Wed Nov 16 08:51:46 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:51:46 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Verizon BroadbandAccess EVDO on FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <a49e62c80511160517v7e92f7e3u28f3ebcf41af58c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a49e62c80511160517v7e92f7e3u28f3ebcf41af58c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051116085146.28a8a694@genoverly.com>

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:17:38 -0500
Anthony Elizondo <anthony.elizondo at gmail.com> wrote:

> A few of us were talking about EVDO on FreeBSD at the last meeting.
> There is a really nice how-to at
> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dga/dot/fbsd_pc5220/
> 
> Phil Karn wrote the original Linux how-to at
> http://www.ka9q.net/5220.html
> _______________________________________________

I remember Roland Dowdeswell telling me back in May that he wrote a
driver for NetBSD.  These are very cool cards.  You have pretty good
bandwidth whereever you have cell phone coverage, even speading down
the highway or railroad.  All, of course, if you have an account.

Michael



From jlam  Wed Nov 16 13:39:21 2005
From: jlam (Johnny Lam)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:39:21 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Active Directory + BSD tips?
Message-ID: <437B7CD9.90009@pkgsrc.org>

I'm wondering if there are any other admins on this list other than 
myself that need to deal with integrating BSD clients into an Active 
Directory domain?

I occasionally write HOWTOish things in this context that others might 
find useful.  For example, I've just finished setting up a non-trivial 
postfix + courier-imap system that uses courier's "virtual shared 
folders" setup and uses the domain controller for authentication, which 
should scale as well as any typical service that uses Active Directory 
for authentication.

I was wondering if it's appropriate to post links to such articles on 
this list?

	Cheers,

	-- Johnny Lam <jlam at pkgsrc.org>



From dlavigne6  Wed Nov 16 14:18:07 2005
From: dlavigne6 (Dru)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:18:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Active Directory + BSD tips?
In-Reply-To: <437B7CD9.90009@pkgsrc.org>
References: <437B7CD9.90009@pkgsrc.org>
Message-ID: <20051116141556.Q552@dru.domain.org>



On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Johnny Lam wrote:

> I'm wondering if there are any other admins on this list other than myself 
> that need to deal with integrating BSD clients into an Active Directory 
> domain?
>
> I occasionally write HOWTOish things in this context that others might find 
> useful.  For example, I've just finished setting up a non-trivial postfix + 
> courier-imap system that uses courier's "virtual shared folders" setup and 
> uses the domain controller for authentication, which should scale as well as 
> any typical service that uses Active Directory for authentication.
>
> I was wondering if it's appropriate to post links to such articles on this 
> list?


Personally I think these would be great to upload to the Library:

http://www.nycbug.org/index.php?NAV=Library

and then ping the list once they're available so we can check them out :-)

Dru



From joshmccormack  Wed Nov 16 15:13:04 2005
From: joshmccormack (Josh McCormack)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:13:04 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] X on OpenBSD & nycbug.org down
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511131148k1354f20djdd3d3eff87f27a48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43742CC3.6040005@travelersdiary.com>	<20051111211435.GB27287@yinaska.pair.com>	<437567FC.8070405@travelersdiary.com>	<20051113193535.GA66160@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511131148k1354f20djdd3d3eff87f27a48@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <437B92D0.6020305@travelersdiary.com>

None of the helpful suggestions have worked so far. I was getting an 
error about the module fbdev not loading, and tried to resolve that by 
adding a libggi package. It uses a Trident Cyberblade. Anyone have any 
success with that?

Josh

pete wright wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/13/05, *Okan Demirmen* <okan at demirmen.com 
> <mailto:okan at demirmen.com>> wrote:
> 
>     On Fri 2005.11.11 at 22:56 -0500, Josh McCormack wrote:
>      >
>      >
>      > Okan Demirmen wrote:
>      >
>      > >On Fri 2005.11.11 at 00:31 -0500, Josh McCormack wrote:
>      > >
>      > >>Also, I'm having troubles getting X working on my new install
>     of OpenBSD
>      > >>3.8 on a Presario 1200. Any help would be appreciated.
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >more info may help - dmesg? what's the issue exactly?
>      >
>      > Thanks for the help.
> 
>     did you try starting X without xorg.conf? remove (or move) it out of the
>     way and just startx. the majority of my machines that run openbsd just
>     auto-configure and work. of course, tweaking and such requires the conf
>     file, but at least it may tell you something. 
> 
> 
> 
> and if all else fails i find "sudo xorgcfg" works %90 of the time (or 
> "sudo  XF86Cfg" for XF86)
> -pete
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -- 
> ~~o0OO0o~~
> Pete Wright
> www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
> NYC's *BSD User Group
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From eksffa  Wed Nov 16 15:21:06 2005
From: eksffa (Patrick Tracanelli)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:21:06 -0200
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Re: TinyBSD
In-Reply-To: <24671.202.6.86.1.1132097449.squirrel@202.6.86.1>
References: <24671.202.6.86.1.1132097449.squirrel@202.6.86.1>
Message-ID: <437B94B2.2090403@freebsdbrasil.com.br>

samwun at telpacific.com.au wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Does any one know any low-cost SBC for FreeBSD? Soekie is too expensive
> for my project. I m looking for a low-cost SBC under $100 USD or even
> lower, around $70 USD. SBC from ARML**** is selling very cheap, but
> unfortunately FreeBSD does not have a completed port to ARM yet. I won't
> use netbsd because it doesn't even recognise my SCSI card/hard disk.
> 
> Thanks
> Sam.

Sam, I run TinyBSD with Soekris and WRAP. You can find Wrap boards from 
$80 to 130 $USD.

http://www.pcengines.ch/wrap.htm

In Canada there is an online store which sells you WRAP at $100 dollars 
each board, if you buy at least 10 boards. It is xagyl.com. There are 
other online stores, with lower prices, but I personally never bought it 
online.

In Bostom there is a small computer shop where I bought it at $80USD 
each. Bought 3. Could have had 6% discount if buying above 5 units. I 
can send you this stores' phone #. I don't know if they have a Web site. 
I don't think they do, it is a really small place.

Anyway WRAP is an alternative, check for it. It runs AMD Geode SC1100 
processor. Maybe you can find even lower prices than the $80,00 I found. 
In this canse let us know ;-)

-- 
Patrick Tracanelli

FreeBSD Brasil LTDA.
(31) 3281-9633 / 3281-3547
316601 at sip.freebsdbrasil.com.br
http://www.freebsdbrasil.com.br
"Long live Hanin Elias, Kim Deal!"




From okan  Wed Nov 16 15:25:24 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:25:24 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] X on OpenBSD & nycbug.org down
In-Reply-To: <437B92D0.6020305@travelersdiary.com>
References: <43742CC3.6040005@travelersdiary.com>
	<20051111211435.GB27287@yinaska.pair.com>
	<437567FC.8070405@travelersdiary.com>
	<20051113193535.GA66160@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511131148k1354f20djdd3d3eff87f27a48@mail.gmail.com>
	<437B92D0.6020305@travelersdiary.com>
Message-ID: <20051116202524.GC5598@yinaska.pair.com>

On Wed 2005.11.16 at 15:13 -0500, Josh McCormack wrote:
> None of the helpful suggestions have worked so far. I was getting an 
> error about the module fbdev not loading, and tried to resolve that by 
> adding a libggi package. It uses a Trident Cyberblade. Anyone have any 
> success with that?

oh my - you mention fbdev and trident in the same message and it
triggers unhappy memories. my sister oh so generously gave me her old
laptop (thinkpad 1200i - not a real ibm, but some acer look-a-like). it
had a trident chip in there and one had to use the fbdev to get the
thing to even think about starting X. when it did, it wouldn't stick
around for long. evidently, recalling from little research, that chipset
was not well supported my xfree86 back then, and i bet not by the new
xorg either. most of the stuff i remember dead-ended in unresolved
"bugs", "hacks" and "workarounds".

try another OS, just to see what happens, but i'm mostly certain this is
an issue with an old, not-well-supported chipset in X. don't know what
vendors use it today and if support has improved.

good luck...

okan



From joshmccormack  Wed Nov 16 15:52:42 2005
From: joshmccormack (Josh McCormack)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:52:42 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] X on OpenBSD & nycbug.org down
In-Reply-To: <20051116202524.GC5598@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <43742CC3.6040005@travelersdiary.com>	<20051111211435.GB27287@yinaska.pair.com>	<437567FC.8070405@travelersdiary.com>	<20051113193535.GA66160@yinaska.pair.com>	<57d710000511131148k1354f20djdd3d3eff87f27a48@mail.gmail.com>	<437B92D0.6020305@travelersdiary.com>
	<20051116202524.GC5598@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <437B9C1A.7010406@travelersdiary.com>

Glad to know that it's not just me not being able to figure this out. I 
tried installing opensuse 10, and it failed. Tried Freebsd 6 and it had 
lots of problems, and I couldn't tell if it finally worked. I tried Damn 
Small Linux and the display looked pretty wacky.

I think I'm going to give up on this one. Perhaps I'll reload Windows 98 
on it and sell it.

Thanks!

Josh


Okan Demirmen wrote:

> oh my - you mention fbdev and trident in the same message and it
> triggers unhappy memories. my sister oh so generously gave me her old
> laptop (thinkpad 1200i - not a real ibm, but some acer look-a-like). it
> had a trident chip in there and one had to use the fbdev to get the
> thing to even think about starting X. when it did, it wouldn't stick
> around for long. evidently, recalling from little research, that chipset
> was not well supported my xfree86 back then, and i bet not by the new
> xorg either. most of the stuff i remember dead-ended in unresolved
> "bugs", "hacks" and "workarounds".
> 
> try another OS, just to see what happens, but i'm mostly certain this is
> an issue with an old, not-well-supported chipset in X. don't know what
> vendors use it today and if support has improved.
> 
> good luck...
> 
> okan
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
> 



From okan  Wed Nov 16 15:56:19 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:56:19 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] X on OpenBSD & nycbug.org down
In-Reply-To: <437B9C1A.7010406@travelersdiary.com>
References: <43742CC3.6040005@travelersdiary.com>
	<20051111211435.GB27287@yinaska.pair.com>
	<437567FC.8070405@travelersdiary.com>
	<20051113193535.GA66160@yinaska.pair.com>
	<57d710000511131148k1354f20djdd3d3eff87f27a48@mail.gmail.com>
	<437B92D0.6020305@travelersdiary.com>
	<20051116202524.GC5598@yinaska.pair.com>
	<437B9C1A.7010406@travelersdiary.com>
Message-ID: <20051116205619.GA22655@yinaska.pair.com>

On Wed 2005.11.16 at 15:52 -0500, Josh McCormack wrote:
> Glad to know that it's not just me not being able to figure this out. I 
> tried installing opensuse 10, and it failed. Tried Freebsd 6 and it had 
> lots of problems, and I couldn't tell if it finally worked. I tried Damn 
> Small Linux and the display looked pretty wacky.
> 
> I think I'm going to give up on this one. Perhaps I'll reload Windows 98 
> on it and sell it.

exactly what i did - but gave it to some school (it was a year ago now,
so i forget).



From okan  Wed Nov 16 16:02:48 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:02:48 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Active Directory + BSD tips?
In-Reply-To: <20051116141556.Q552@dru.domain.org>
References: <437B7CD9.90009@pkgsrc.org> <20051116141556.Q552@dru.domain.org>
Message-ID: <20051116210247.GB22655@yinaska.pair.com>

On Wed 2005.11.16 at 14:18 -0500, Dru wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Johnny Lam wrote:
> 
> >I'm wondering if there are any other admins on this list other than myself 
> >that need to deal with integrating BSD clients into an Active Directory 
> >domain?
> >
> >I occasionally write HOWTOish things in this context that others might 
> >find useful.  For example, I've just finished setting up a non-trivial 
> >postfix + courier-imap system that uses courier's "virtual shared folders" 
> >setup and uses the domain controller for authentication, which should 
> >scale as well as any typical service that uses Active Directory for 
> >authentication.
> >
> >I was wondering if it's appropriate to post links to such articles on this 
> >list?
> 
> 
> Personally I think these would be great to upload to the Library:
> 
> http://www.nycbug.org/index.php?NAV=Library
> 
> and then ping the list once they're available so we can check them out :-)

yup. a great place for this and other like things...

thanks



From samwun  Wed Nov 16 17:50:39 2005
From: samwun (samwun at telpacific.com.au)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:50:39 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Re: TinyBSD
In-Reply-To: <437B94B2.2090403@freebsdbrasil.com.br>
References: <24671.202.6.86.1.1132097449.squirrel@202.6.86.1>
	<437B94B2.2090403@freebsdbrasil.com.br>
Message-ID: <4404.202.6.86.1.1132181439.squirrel@202.6.86.1>

> samwun at telpacific.com.au wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does any one know any low-cost SBC for FreeBSD? Soekie is too expensive
>> for my project. I m looking for a low-cost SBC under $100 USD or even
>> lower, around $70 USD. SBC from ARML**** is selling very cheap, but
>> unfortunately FreeBSD does not have a completed port to ARM yet. I won't
>> use netbsd because it doesn't even recognise my SCSI card/hard disk.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sam.
>
> Sam, I run TinyBSD with Soekris and WRAP. You can find Wrap boards from
> $80 to 130 $USD.
>
Nice reference. Could you please tell me how to install TinyBSD on WRAP?

> http://www.pcengines.ch/wrap.htm
>
> In Canada there is an online store which sells you WRAP at $100 dollars
> each board, if you buy at least 10 boards. It is xagyl.com. There are
> other online stores, with lower prices, but I personally never bought it
> online.
>
> In Bostom there is a small computer shop where I bought it at $80USD
> each. Bought 3. Could have had 6% discount if buying above 5 units. I
> can send you this stores' phone #. I don't know if they have a Web site.
> I don't think they do, it is a really small place.
>
Do you think they handle order from Australia?

Thanks
Sam


> Anyway WRAP is an alternative, check for it. It runs AMD Geode SC1100
> processor. Maybe you can find even lower prices than the $80,00 I found.
> In this canse let us know ;-)
>
> --
> Patrick Tracanelli
>
> FreeBSD Brasil LTDA.
> (31) 3281-9633 / 3281-3547
> 316601 at sip.freebsdbrasil.com.br
> http://www.freebsdbrasil.com.br
> "Long live Hanin Elias, Kim Deal!"
>
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>





From lists  Wed Nov 16 19:18:27 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:18:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NFS Client for Windows
In-Reply-To: <4376896E.3030109@kc8onw.net>
References: <4376896E.3030109@kc8onw.net>
Message-ID: <20051116191326.T38644@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Jonathan wrote:

> nice to have access to the files shared from my server.  I know I could set 
> up Samba on the server but I would rather avoid that if possible.

>From the windows machine you could use WinSCP to move files.



From jonathan  Wed Nov 16 19:22:30 2005
From: jonathan (Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:22:30 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NFS Client for Windows
In-Reply-To: <20051116191326.T38644@zoraida.natserv.net>
References: <4376896E.3030109@kc8onw.net>
	<20051116191326.T38644@zoraida.natserv.net>
Message-ID: <437BCD46.8030208@kc8onw.net>

Francisco Reyes wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Jonathan wrote:
> 
>> nice to have access to the files shared from my server.  I know I 
>> could set up Samba on the server but I would rather avoid that if 
>> possible.
> 
> 
>  From the windows machine you could use WinSCP to move files.

I was trying to avoid that, my whole idea with sharing was for convience 
so I would not have to maintain separate copies and copy back and forth. 
  FWIW I did get samba set up now I just have to get it secured so the 
whole world is not trying to get into the server.  My only gripe with 
Samba so far is you have to use cleartext passwords over the network 
with PAM or maintain a separate userdb :P

Jonathan



From dlavigne6  Wed Nov 16 20:56:59 2005
From: dlavigne6 (Dru)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:56:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] greylisting recommendations
Message-ID: <20051116204318.T552@dru.domain.org>


I'm considering greylisting in addition to postfix's built-in UCE 
capabilities. I see there are many more FreeBSD packages since the 
last time I researched this:

postfix-policyd-sf
postgrey
sqlgrey
tumgreyspf
spamd

Any favourites in this list as in easy-to-learn and configure and 
effective at fighting SPAM? Or are their better others I didn't mention?

Ideally, I'd like something that doesn't require a bunch of software to do 
its thing (which is why I'd like to move away from SpamAssassin).

Are those that require a database worth the overhead of a database?

Is spamd on FreeBSD worth the time it will take me to learn pf?

Dru



From gb.nycbug.org  Wed Nov 16 21:22:24 2005
From: gb.nycbug.org (George Bourozikas)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:22:24 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NFS Client for Windows
In-Reply-To: <437BCD46.8030208@kc8onw.net>
References: <4376896E.3030109@kc8onw.net>
	<20051116191326.T38644@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<437BCD46.8030208@kc8onw.net>
Message-ID: <200511162122.25157.gb.nycbug.org@olivesandhoney.com>

On Wednesday 16 November 2005 19:22, Jonathan wrote:
> Francisco Reyes wrote:
> > On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Jonathan wrote:
> >> nice to have access to the files shared from my server.  I know I
> >> could set up Samba on the server but I would rather avoid that if
> >> possible.
> >
> >  From the windows machine you could use WinSCP to move files.
>
> I was trying to avoid that, my whole idea with sharing was for
> convience so I would not have to maintain separate copies and copy
> back and forth. FWIW I did get samba set up now I just have to get it
> secured so the whole world is not trying to get into the server.  My
> only gripe with Samba so far is you have to use cleartext passwords
> over the network with PAM or maintain a separate userdb :P

Like anything SMB, Samba is not nearly secure enough for exposure to the 
wider net.

--george



From lists  Wed Nov 16 21:32:41 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:32:41 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] greylisting recommendations
In-Reply-To: <20051116204318.T552@dru.domain.org>
References: <20051116204318.T552@dru.domain.org>
Message-ID: <20051116213241.44642e59@genoverly.com>

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:56:59 -0500 (EST)
Dru <dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca> wrote:

> 
> I'm considering greylisting in addition to postfix's built-in UCE 
> capabilities. I see there are many more FreeBSD packages since the 
> last time I researched this:
> 
> postfix-policyd-sf
> postgrey
> sqlgrey
> tumgreyspf
> spamd
> 
> Any favourites in this list as in easy-to-learn and configure and 
> effective at fighting SPAM? Or are their better others I didn't
> mention?
> 
> Ideally, I'd like something that doesn't require a bunch of software
> to do  its thing (which is why I'd like to move away from
> SpamAssassin).
> 
> Are those that require a database worth the overhead of a database?
> 
> Is spamd on FreeBSD worth the time it will take me to learn pf?
> 
> Dru

spamd - requires pf, but well worth it.

http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan05-spamd/

Michael



From megan.restuccia  Wed Nov 16 22:31:31 2005
From: megan.restuccia (Megan Restuccia)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:31:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NFS Client for Windows
Message-ID: <12203336.1132198291954.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net>

You could use Microsoft's Windows Services for Unix.  This allows you to install the Interix subsystem on your windows boxes and run unix commands, as well as NFS and NIS, password syncing etc.

Megan

>From: Jonathan <jonathan at kc8onw.net>
>Date: Wed Nov 16 18:22:30 CST 2005
>To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
>Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] NFS Client for Windows

>Francisco Reyes wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Jonathan wrote:
>> 
>>> nice to have access to the files shared from my server.  I know I 
>>> could set up Samba on the server but I would rather avoid that if 
>>> possible.
>> 
>> 
>>  From the windows machine you could use WinSCP to move files.
>
>I was trying to avoid that, my whole idea with sharing was for convience 
>so I would not have to maintain separate copies and copy back and forth. 
>  FWIW I did get samba set up now I just have to get it secured so the 
>whole world is not trying to get into the server.  My only gripe with 
>Samba so far is you have to use cleartext passwords over the network 
>with PAM or maintain a separate userdb :P
>
>Jonathan
>_______________________________________________
>% NYC*BUG talk mailing list
>http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>%Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
>%We meet the first Wednesday of the month




From okan  Wed Nov 16 22:44:37 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:44:37 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] greylisting recommendations
In-Reply-To: <20051116204318.T552@dru.domain.org>
References: <20051116204318.T552@dru.domain.org>
Message-ID: <20051117034437.GC24722@yinaska.pair.com>

On Wed 2005.11.16 at 20:56 -0500, Dru wrote:
> 
> I'm considering greylisting in addition to postfix's built-in UCE 
> capabilities. I see there are many more FreeBSD packages since the 
> last time I researched this:
> 
> postfix-policyd-sf
> postgrey
> sqlgrey
> tumgreyspf
> spamd
> 
> Any favourites in this list as in easy-to-learn and configure and 
> effective at fighting SPAM? Or are their better others I didn't mention?
> 
> Ideally, I'd like something that doesn't require a bunch of software to do 
> its thing (which is why I'd like to move away from SpamAssassin).
> 
> Are those that require a database worth the overhead of a database?
> 
> Is spamd on FreeBSD worth the time it will take me to learn pf?

I can't comment on the FreeBSD + pf/spamd, but I highly recommend it.
Like most things I try to stick with, it's clean, simple and it does
what it is supposed to do - and those things make me happy ;)



From mspitzer  Thu Nov 17 11:35:42 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:35:42 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NFS Client for Windows
In-Reply-To: <12203336.1132198291954.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <12203336.1132198291954.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30511170835s35c07e8asb209a4c37e4e8251@mail.gmail.com>

There is a webdav, export with apache(mod_dav_fs) and open as a share.

marc

On 11/16/05, Megan Restuccia <megan.restuccia at verizon.net> wrote:
> You could use Microsoft's Windows Services for Unix.  This allows you to install the Interix subsystem on your windows boxes and run unix commands, as well as NFS and NIS, password syncing etc.
>
> Megan
>
> >From: Jonathan <jonathan at kc8onw.net>
> >Date: Wed Nov 16 18:22:30 CST 2005
> >To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
> >Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] NFS Client for Windows
>
> >Francisco Reyes wrote:
> >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Jonathan wrote:
> >>
> >>> nice to have access to the files shared from my server.  I know I
> >>> could set up Samba on the server but I would rather avoid that if
> >>> possible.
> >>
> >>
> >>  From the windows machine you could use WinSCP to move files.
> >
> >I was trying to avoid that, my whole idea with sharing was for convience
> >so I would not have to maintain separate copies and copy back and forth.
> >  FWIW I did get samba set up now I just have to get it secured so the
> >whole world is not trying to get into the server.  My only gripe with
> >Samba so far is you have to use cleartext passwords over the network
> >with PAM or maintain a separate userdb :P
> >
> >Jonathan
> >_______________________________________________
> >% NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> >http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >%Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> >%We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>


--
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From eksffa  Thu Nov 17 11:38:22 2005
From: eksffa (Patrick Tracanelli)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:38:22 -0200
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Re: TinyBSD
In-Reply-To: <4404.202.6.86.1.1132181439.squirrel@202.6.86.1>
References: <24671.202.6.86.1.1132097449.squirrel@202.6.86.1>
	<437B94B2.2090403@freebsdbrasil.com.br>
	<4404.202.6.86.1.1132181439.squirrel@202.6.86.1>
Message-ID: <437CB1FE.9000605@freebsdbrasil.com.br>

samwun at telpacific.com.au wrote:
> Nice reference. Could you please tell me how to install TinyBSD on WRAP?

If you want to run a pre-existing TinyBSD image, download it from 
tinybsd.org and you only need to dd(1) it to you flash storage device. 
If you will build TinyBSD by yourself, just make sure the Geode 
processor options are uncommented on the kernel (they are already 
present in the kernel config file samples of TinyBSD) and also the 
callibration options, just like a Soekris box. pass your flash diskinfo 
information as parameters, like required by tinybsd.sh and dd(1) the 
final image to your flash.

> Do you think they handle order from Australia?

They won't by themselves. They wanted to charge me $25 USD plus the 
mailing costs so they could pay a "delivery service" to handle the board 
from the shop to the mailing office. It makes the board cost get close 
to the online price, so, no big deal. I asked a friend who was in Boston 
to buy it in person.

> Thanks
> Sam


-- 
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(31) 3281-9633 / 3281-3547
316601 at sip.freebsdbrasil.com.br
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From o_sleep  Thu Nov 17 12:03:58 2005
From: o_sleep (Bjorn Nelson)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:03:58 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] tracking for multiple machines
Message-ID: <0B6BF1AE-EE97-4BE2-81B3-FDFBE3645E15@belovedarctos.com>

NYCBuggers,

I noticed that this page was recently created in the handbook:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/small-lan.html

I have been looking for an official document about this for a while,  
and it's great to finally see one where it should be.  My question,  
is there a way to prevent client machines from running a make  
installworld while a make buildworld is being run on the host  
machine.  I guess I could just touch a file in /usr/src and then  
alter the Makefile on the clients to look for this file, and fail if  
it's present, but I wondered what others have done about this.

Thanks,
Bjorn Nelson



From nomadlogic  Thu Nov 17 12:11:53 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:11:53 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NFS Client for Windows
In-Reply-To: <12203336.1132198291954.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <12203336.1132198291954.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <57d710000511170911v7672b385k9d5080a26c765e68@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/16/05, Megan Restuccia <megan.restuccia at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> You could use Microsoft's Windows Services for Unix. This allows you to
> install the Interix subsystem on your windows boxes and run unix commands,
> as well as NFS and NIS, password syncing etc.



yea, I've had mixed results using SFU. Only issue is the Microsoft is
stopping development on it:
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/02/0722252&tid=201&tid=130&tid=109&tid=218
(looks like eweek link is down though...)

-p


Megan
>
> >From: Jonathan <jonathan at kc8onw.net>
> >Date: Wed Nov 16 18:22:30 CST 2005
> >To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
> >Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] NFS Client for Windows
>
> >Francisco Reyes wrote:
> >> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Jonathan wrote:
> >>
> >>> nice to have access to the files shared from my server. I know I
> >>> could set up Samba on the server but I would rather avoid that if
> >>> possible.
> >>
> >>
> >> From the windows machine you could use WinSCP to move files.
> >
> >I was trying to avoid that, my whole idea with sharing was for convience
> >so I would not have to maintain separate copies and copy back and forth.
> > FWIW I did get samba set up now I just have to get it secured so the
> >whole world is not trying to get into the server. My only gripe with
> >Samba so far is you have to use cleartext passwords over the network
> >with PAM or maintain a separate userdb :P
> >
> >Jonathan
> >_______________________________________________
> >% NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> >http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >%Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> >%We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
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From nomadlogic  Thu Nov 17 12:16:25 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:16:25 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] tracking for multiple machines
In-Reply-To: <0B6BF1AE-EE97-4BE2-81B3-FDFBE3645E15@belovedarctos.com>
References: <0B6BF1AE-EE97-4BE2-81B3-FDFBE3645E15@belovedarctos.com>
Message-ID: <57d710000511170916g213730ddn64e9d39f0145ebc1@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/17/05, Bjorn Nelson <o_sleep at belovedarctos.com> wrote:
>
> NYCBuggers,
>
> I noticed that this page was recently created in the handbook:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/small-lan.html
>
> I have been looking for an official document about this for a while,
> and it's great to finally see one where it should be. My question,
> is there a way to prevent client machines from running a make
> installworld while a make buildworld is being run on the host
> machine. I guess I could just touch a file in /usr/src and then
> alter the Makefile on the clients to look for this file, and fail if
> it's present, but I wondered what others have done about this.



One thing we do at my job is make extensive use of RCS and Makefiles. We do
this for generic configuration data (/etc/hosts) as well as for more complex
tasks (converting LDAP entries to flat files to cfengine). you could do
something similiar with /usr/src. You could create a Makefile that contains
the buildworld commands in it, but checks to see if someone has a lock on
file in /usr/src...say LOCK. To rebuild the world you could cd to /usr/src,
co -l LOCK, sudo make, ci -u LOCK. At least that's the gist of it :)

-pete


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From jlam  Thu Nov 17 12:27:56 2005
From: jlam (Johnny Lam)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:27:56 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Re: NFS Client for Windows
In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30511170835s35c07e8asb209a4c37e4e8251@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12203336.1132198291954.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net>
	<8c50a3c30511170835s35c07e8asb209a4c37e4e8251@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <437CBD9C.4010005@pkgsrc.org>

Marc Spitzer wrote:
> There is a webdav, export with apache(mod_dav_fs) and open as a share.

FYI, WebDAV works very well here with my WinXP box connecting to NetBSD 
and Apache 2.x + mod_dav.

	Cheers,

	-- Johnny Lam <jlam at pkgsrc.org>



From nycbug  Thu Nov 17 13:39:01 2005
From: nycbug (Ray Lai)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:39:01 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] tracking for multiple machines
In-Reply-To: <0B6BF1AE-EE97-4BE2-81B3-FDFBE3645E15@belovedarctos.com>
References: <0B6BF1AE-EE97-4BE2-81B3-FDFBE3645E15@belovedarctos.com>
Message-ID: <20051117183901.GA25689@syntax.cyth.net>

On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 12:03:58PM -0500, Bjorn Nelson wrote:
> NYCBuggers,
> 
> I noticed that this page was recently created in the handbook:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/small-lan.html
> 
> I have been looking for an official document about this for a while,  
> and it's great to finally see one where it should be.  My question,  
> is there a way to prevent client machines from running a make  
> installworld while a make buildworld is being run on the host  
> machine.  I guess I could just touch a file in /usr/src and then  
> alter the Makefile on the clients to look for this file, and fail if  
> it's present, but I wondered what others have done about this.

For OpenBSD, you can build a release:

	http://openbsd.rt.fm/faq/faq5.html#Release

Then use the siteXX.tgz, install.site, and upgrade.site files to
deploy local changes:

	http://openbsd.rt.fm/faq/faq4.html#site

That should be enough for the base system.  For ports, have a machine
build all the packages you need, then merge them into one giant
package:

	http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=pkg_merge

This will allow you to keep the merged package in the siteXX.tgz
and do ``pkg_add -r mergedpkg.tgz'' in upgrade.site.

I guess this documentation is more scattered in OpenBSD, though.

-Ray-



From nomadlogic  Fri Nov 18 11:40:00 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:40:00 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] PostgreSQL
Message-ID: <57d710000511180840t1fbe955eof1c2f508e3b2bef0@mail.gmail.com>

wow this looks like good news:
(specifically the bit re postgre)
http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2005-11/sunflash.20051117.1.html

So does anyone thing this will help with the portability and overall
stability of the code, I'd assume having DTrace available and supported for
the DB has got to help a bit in trouble shooting and tuning....

-p


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From lists  Fri Nov 18 12:01:21 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:01:21 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] PostgreSQL
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511180840t1fbe955eof1c2f508e3b2bef0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57d710000511180840t1fbe955eof1c2f508e3b2bef0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051118120121.1c0d3360@genoverly.com>

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:40:00 -0800
pete wright <nomadlogic at gmail.com> wrote:

> wow this looks like good news:
> (specifically the bit re postgre)
> http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2005-11/sunflash.20051117.1.html
> 
> So does anyone thing this will help with the portability and overall
> stability of the code, I'd assume having DTrace available and
> supported for the DB has got to help a bit in trouble shooting and
> tuning....
> 
> -p

I like using postgresql, it has a long development history and lot of
the qualitites of the commercial databases I've used in the past.  In my
experience, it runs well on the BSD's.. provided you don't put it in a
FreeBSD jail.  The port maintainers do a great job.

I made the emotional transistion from mysql to postgresql as an
opensource database a little while ago. I even ported the NYCBUG web, it
will go into production in the next release: NYCBUG-web-2.1 <grin>

They have pretty good documentation and an active (and helpful)
comuunity on the mailing lists.


Michael



From steve.rieger  Fri Nov 18 13:22:45 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:22:45 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] puter poetry
Message-ID: <6C9418AD-4DED-4F4C-A8DB-E2D4C649D35B@tbwachiat.com>

If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port,
And the bus is interrupted as a very last resort.
And the address of the memory makes your floppy disk abort.
Then the socket packet pocket has an error to report!

If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash,
And the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash,
And your data is corrupted 'cause the index doesn't hash.
Then your situation's hopeless and your system's gonna crash!

If the label on the cable on the table at your house,
Says the network is connected to the button on the mouse,
But your packets want to tunnel on another protocol,

That's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall,
And your screen is all distorted by the side effects of Gauss,
So your icons in the windows are so wavy as a souse,
Then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang,
'Cause as sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang!

When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy on the disk,
And the microcode instructions cause unnecessary RISC.
Then you have to flash your memory and you'll want to RAM your ROM.
Quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your mom!


Steve Rieger
Cell      646-335-8915
Office   212 804 1131
Fax       212 804 1200
AIM      chozrim
Yahoo riegersteve

if ((light eq dark) && (dark eq  
light)                                                                   
   If light were dark and dark were light
    && ($blaze_of_night{moon} ==  
black_hole)                                                The moon a  
black hole in the blaze of night
    && ($ravens_wing{bright} == $tin{bright})) 
{                                                  A raven's wing as  
bright as tin
  my $love = $you = $sin{darkness} +  
1;                                                            A  
raven's wing as bright as tin
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From lists  Fri Nov 18 13:28:28 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:28:28 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] carp not responding
Message-ID: <20051118132828.540c5588@genoverly.com>

I'm having a carp issue on OpenBSD current.

xx.xx.xx.98         xx.xx.xx.99 
   |                        |
   |  xx.xx.xx.100-103      |
   |      |         |       |
---|------|---+  +--|-------|---+
  fw1   carp1 |  | carp1   fw2  |
---|----------+  +----------|---+
   |                        |
10.10.10.1              10.10.10.2
   |                        |
   |--- internal network ---|

Each firewall has 2 nics; one external and one internal.

I'm trying to set up a virtual interface on both boxes that contain the
rest of the IP issued by the ISP.  That virtual interface should respond
to calls to the IPs and I will set up pf to handle NAT to the internal
servers.  I can ssh into each firewall (using .98 and .99) and then ssh
to the internal network using the local net.

/etc/sysctrl.conf
net.inet.carp.allow=1
net.inet.carp.preempt=1
net.inet.carp.log=1

hostname.carp1 (on fw1)
inet xx.xx.xx.100 255.255.255.224 vhid 27 pass foo carpdev vr1
inet alias xx.xx.xx.101 255.255.255.255 vhid 27 pass foo carpdev vr1
inet alias xx.xx.xx.102 255.255.255.255 vhid 27 pass foo carpdev vr1
inet alias xx.xx.xx.103 255.255.255.255 vhid 27 pass foo carpdev vr1

hostname.carp1 (on fw2 - same thing with high askews)
inet xx.xx.xx.100 255.255.255.224 /
	vhid 27 askew 100 pass foo carpdev vr1 
inet alias xx.xx.xx.101 255.255.255.255 /
	vhid 27 askew 100 pass foo carpdev vr1 
inet alias xx.xx.xx.102 255.255.255.255 / 
	vhid 27 askew 100 pass foo carpdev vr1 
inet alias xx.xx.xx.103 255.255.255.255 /
	vhid 27 askew 100 pass foo carpdev vr1

It was suggested that carp broadcasts were interfering with the ISP
routers and to change the vhid to something other than 1, hence the 27.

I can not get the carp interaface to come up.  On boot, ifconfig should
show the IPs in the carp group but just shows..

carp1: flags=8802<BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
        groups: carp

Maybe I'm not providing enough, but, can anyone notice where I'm going
wrong? 

Michael



From josh  Fri Nov 18 16:09:27 2005
From: josh (Josh Rivel)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:09:27 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] carp not responding
In-Reply-To: <20051118132828.540c5588@genoverly.com>
References: <20051118132828.540c5588@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <20051118210927.GA19176@freek.com>

michael wrote...
> I'm having a carp issue on OpenBSD current.

[snip]

> hostname.carp1 (on fw1)
> inet xx.xx.xx.100 255.255.255.224 vhid 27 pass foo carpdev vr1
> inet alias xx.xx.xx.101 255.255.255.255 vhid 27 pass foo carpdev vr1
> inet alias xx.xx.xx.102 255.255.255.255 vhid 27 pass foo carpdev vr1
> inet alias xx.xx.xx.103 255.255.255.255 vhid 27 pass foo carpdev vr1
> 
> hostname.carp1 (on fw2 - same thing with high askews)
> inet xx.xx.xx.100 255.255.255.224 /
> 	vhid 27 askew 100 pass foo carpdev vr1 
> inet alias xx.xx.xx.101 255.255.255.255 /
> 	vhid 27 askew 100 pass foo carpdev vr1 
> inet alias xx.xx.xx.102 255.255.255.255 / 
> 	vhid 27 askew 100 pass foo carpdev vr1 
> inet alias xx.xx.xx.103 255.255.255.255 /
> 	vhid 27 askew 100 pass foo carpdev vr1

We have carp here between several openBSD-current (altho not so 
current really) firewalls, but we're not using aliasese
for the carpX interface.
We just have carp1, carp2, carp3, etc.

hostname.bge0:
inet XX.YY.ZZ.213 255.255.255.240 NONE media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex

hostname.carp1:
inet XX.YY.ZZ.212 255.255.255.240 204.155.204.223 vhid 1 pass whatever
hostname.carp2:
inet XX.YY.ZZ.215 255.255.255.240 204.155.204.223 vhid 2 pass whatever
hostname.carp3:
inet XX.YY.ZZ.216 255.255.255.240 204.155.204.223 vhid 3 pass whatever

> It was suggested that carp broadcasts were interfering with the ISP
> routers and to change the vhid to something other than 1, hence the 27.

We have the following in /etc/sysctl.conf:
net.inet.carp.allow=1           # 1 = accept incoming CARP packets 
net.inet.carp.arpbalance=0      # 1 = enable ARP balancing
net.inet.carp.log=0             # 1 = enable error logging
net.inet.carp.preempt=1         # 1 = enable attempt to become master

This is 3.7-current from April 26th.  Boxes are now in production
so we can't really upgrade them so easily.

Hope this helps some....

-- 
josh



From nomadlogic  Mon Nov 21 11:40:29 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:40:29 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] courier-imap filters
Message-ID: <57d710000511210840k13d7f110x95e31e4a4525e349@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,
So are there any interesting mail filters folks use off courier-imap
servers. I access my mail via several MUA's (mutt/thunderbird/mozilla/apple
mail/squirrellMail to name a few) but would like to have one set of mail
filtering rules. So any fun hack's out there? :^)

-p

--
~~o0OO0o~~
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www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
NYC's *BSD User Group
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From mspitzer  Mon Nov 21 13:29:16 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 13:29:16 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] courier-imap filters
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511210840k13d7f110x95e31e4a4525e349@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57d710000511210840k13d7f110x95e31e4a4525e349@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30511211029v732426b5x9720dc5b263a47c5@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/21/05, pete wright <nomadlogic at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all,
>      So are there any interesting mail filters folks use off courier-imap
> servers.  I access my mail via several MUA's (mutt/thunderbird/mozilla/apple
> mail/squirrellMail to name a few) but would like to have one set of mail
> filtering rules.  So any fun hack's out there? :^)

does courier do sieve?
http://community.roxen.com/developers/idocs/rfc/rfc3028.html

marc

>
>  -p
>
> --
> ~~o0OO0o~~
> Pete Wright
> www.nycbug.org
> NYC's *BSD User Group
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>
>
>


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we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
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From nomadlogic  Mon Nov 21 13:44:38 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:44:38 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] courier-imap filters
In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30511211029v732426b5x9720dc5b263a47c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57d710000511210840k13d7f110x95e31e4a4525e349@mail.gmail.com>
	<8c50a3c30511211029v732426b5x9720dc5b263a47c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57d710000511211044q2b39dbf4k9e95e0554dc2fa20@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/21/05, Marc Spitzer <mspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/21/05, pete wright <nomadlogic at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> > So are there any interesting mail filters folks use off courier-imap
> > servers. I access my mail via several MUA's
> (mutt/thunderbird/mozilla/apple
> > mail/squirrellMail to name a few) but would like to have one set of mail
> > filtering rules. So any fun hack's out there? :^)
>
> does courier do sieve?
> http://community.roxen.com/developers/idocs/rfc/rfc3028.html




sieve looks great, but as of 2004 it looks like it is not supported in
courier:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.courier.general/18639/match=sieve

-p



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From nomadlogic  Mon Nov 21 13:48:19 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:48:19 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] courier-imap filters
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511211044q2b39dbf4k9e95e0554dc2fa20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57d710000511210840k13d7f110x95e31e4a4525e349@mail.gmail.com>
	<8c50a3c30511211029v732426b5x9720dc5b263a47c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<57d710000511211044q2b39dbf4k9e95e0554dc2fa20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57d710000511211048p58e84207o1b79d522e7dcd7b9@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/21/05, pete wright <nomadlogic at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 11/21/05, Marc Spitzer <mspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/21/05, pete wright <nomadlogic at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hey all,
> > > So are there any interesting mail filters folks use off courier-imap
> > > servers. I access my mail via several MUA's
> > (mutt/thunderbird/mozilla/apple
> > > mail/squirrellMail to name a few) but would like to have one set of
> > mail
> > > filtering rules. So any fun hack's out there? :^)
> >
> > does courier do sieve?
> > http://community.roxen.com/developers/idocs/rfc/rfc3028.html
>
>
>
>
> sieve looks great, but as of 2004 it looks like it is not supported in
> courier:
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.courier.general/18639/match=sieve
>
> -p
>


/me hang's head in discrace

/usr/local/share/doc/courier-imap/README.maildirfilter.html

long story short, use maildrop with courier-imap

-p

--
> ~~o0OO0o~~
> Pete Wright
> www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
> NYC's *BSD User Group
>



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From joshmccormack  Mon Nov 21 16:09:08 2005
From: joshmccormack (Josh McCormack)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:09:08 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] workstation email setup pointers
Message-ID: <43823774.7060504@travelersdiary.com>

Anyone have a link to directions for setting up sendmail + fetchmail + 
mutt on OpenBSD?

Josh



From jlam  Mon Nov 21 18:13:13 2005
From: jlam (Johnny Lam)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:13:13 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Re: courier-imap filters
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511211048p58e84207o1b79d522e7dcd7b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57d710000511210840k13d7f110x95e31e4a4525e349@mail.gmail.com>	<8c50a3c30511211029v732426b5x9720dc5b263a47c5@mail.gmail.com>	<57d710000511211044q2b39dbf4k9e95e0554dc2fa20@mail.gmail.com>
	<57d710000511211048p58e84207o1b79d522e7dcd7b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43825489.9020409@pkgsrc.org>

pete wright wrote:
> 
> /me hang's head in discrace
> 
> /usr/local/share/doc/courier-imap/README.maildirfilter.html
> 
> long story short, use maildrop with courier-imap

I just wanted to say that using maildrop with courier-imap works very 
well in practice.  In my setups, I configure postfix to use maildrop for 
local delivery, and also set up the sqwebmail CGI so that users have a 
point-and-click interface for building simple mailfilter rules.  Quite 
frankly, the point-and-click mailfilter interface is a godsend if you 
have networks of Windows users.

	Cheers,

	-- Johnny Lam <jlam at pkgsrc.org>



From lists  Mon Nov 21 21:53:10 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:53:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] PostgreSQL
In-Reply-To: <20051118120121.1c0d3360@genoverly.com>
References: <57d710000511180840t1fbe955eof1c2f508e3b2bef0@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051118120121.1c0d3360@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <20051121214715.H3755@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005, michael wrote:

> I like using postgresql, it has a long development history and lot of
> the qualitites of the commercial databases

And a level of maturity which seems to keep getting better.. It is one 
thing to have xyz feature, and another  when the feature has been tested 
and improved.

> I made the emotional transistion from mysql to postgresql as an
> opensource database a little while ago.

I have been using PostgreSQL for close to 5 years and recently had to 
start using MySQL. I wish best of luck to MySQL users, but I am much 
happier using PostgreSQL.. At work, it will take a very long while, but I 
am hopefull that I will be able to migrate everything. In particular MySQL 
replication seems to be as reliable as using a paper bag to hold water.. 
:-)

> I even ported the NYCBUG web, it
> will go into production in the next release: NYCBUG-web-2.1 <grin>

Did you port it to 8.0x or to 8.1?
8.1 seems like such a vast improvement over the previous version. I have 
gone of the 12 page long list of changes twice and still keep getting 
impressed... for my next reading.. plan to mark all the new features I 
want to use/learn.

> They have pretty good documentation and an active (and helpful)
> comuunity on the mailing lists.

I love psql. It is a great way to do small tasks and do mini adhoc 
queries.



From lists  Mon Nov 21 21:55:54 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:55:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] workstation email setup pointers
In-Reply-To: <43823774.7060504@travelersdiary.com>
References: <43823774.7060504@travelersdiary.com>
Message-ID: <20051121215437.Q3755@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, Josh McCormack wrote:

> Anyone have a link to directions for setting up sendmail + fetchmail + mutt 
> on OpenBSD?


No links for you, but recommend you do
s/sendmail/postfix/
s/mutt/cone/

:-)

I used to use fetcmail+pine but in the process of switching to having my 
own courier imap server + cone/thunderbird as mail clients.



From lists  Mon Nov 21 21:58:10 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:58:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSD alternatives
Message-ID: <20051121215620.L3887@zoraida.natserv.net>

Very nice, short, article about some BSD alternatives.


http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3565016

This past weekend tried PCBSD and was a bit dissapointed, but will give it 
another try when have more time and can use a better computer for it. On 
an 800MHZ it feels sluggish (with 640MB of RAM). Also found it less than 
intuitive.. but probably because I am not used to KDE.



From dlavigne6  Tue Nov 22 19:40:51 2005
From: dlavigne6 (Dru)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:40:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] favourite monitoring tools
Message-ID: <20051122193126.B548@dru.domain.org>


I have a client who is torn between spending $1995 on a commercial 
monitoring package that only installs on Windows or an Open Source 
solution which will run on his FreeBSD servers. His requirements are SMS 
paging ability (a must) and the ability to pay for support or at least 
access to decent documentation. GUI interface that won't scare the other 
admins is also a bonus.

Looking through ports/net-mgmt shows that Nav looks promising on features
(though lean on documentation other than the mailing lists). Anyone using 
this product? http://metanav.ntnu.no/moin.cgi/

Experiences good/bad with Bigsister, Nagios and Zabbix also appreciated. 
The client needs to manage just over 100 systems, a mix of routers, switches 
and servers.

Dru



From nomadlogic  Tue Nov 22 19:50:20 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:50:20 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] favourite monitoring tools
In-Reply-To: <20051122193126.B548@dru.domain.org>
References: <20051122193126.B548@dru.domain.org>
Message-ID: <57d710000511221650w16ef5b36meb60419d92a43706@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/22/05, Dru <dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> I have a client who is torn between spending $1995 on a commercial
> monitoring package that only installs on Windows or an Open Source
> solution which will run on his FreeBSD servers. His requirements are SMS
> paging ability (a must) and the ability to pay for support or at least
> access to decent documentation. GUI interface that won't scare the other
> admins is also a bonus.
>
> Looking through ports/net-mgmt shows that Nav looks promising on features
> (though lean on documentation other than the mailing lists). Anyone using
> this product? http://metanav.ntnu.no/moin.cgi/
>
> Experiences good/bad with Bigsister, Nagios and Zabbix also appreciated.
> The client needs to manage just over 100 systems, a mix of routers, switches
> and servers.
>

I use nagios very extensively on a pretty large network (5000+
hosts/switches/routers).  It is kinda pain to setup, but quite stable
and has scaled well for us.  Our checks are a mixture of binaries,
perl/python/shell scripts and we do make heavy use of SNMP as well to
monitor a wide range of things (disk space/system load/network through
put).  You can also purchase third party support for Nagios I believe,
but have no experience with any of those vendors:

http://www.nagios.org/support/

So, I'd give Nagios a +1 despite the some things I'd like to change
from a configuration management perspective.  It also seems to full
fill all of your prerequisites.

-p

--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org
NYC's *BSD User Group



From jba  Tue Nov 22 20:06:43 2005
From: jba (jeffrey.arnold)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:06:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] favourite monitoring tools
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511221650w16ef5b36meb60419d92a43706@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051122193126.B548@dru.domain.org>
	<57d710000511221650w16ef5b36meb60419d92a43706@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511221951220.9726@salsa.int.nyc.analogue.net>

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005, pete wright wrote:

:: On 11/22/05, Dru <dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca> wrote:
:: >
:: > Experiences good/bad with Bigsister, Nagios and Zabbix also appreciated.
:: > The client needs to manage just over 100 systems, a mix of routers, switches
:: > and servers.
:: >

(snip)
:: 
:: So, I'd give Nagios a +1 despite the some things I'd like to change
:: from a configuration management perspective.  It also seems to full
:: fill all of your prerequisites.
:: 

I'll second nagios. At my last gig, we had a multi-hundred-thousand 
dollar implementation of commercial tools running on solaris that came 
with an acquisition. After looking at the situation carefully we still 
went with nagios for our systems and network monitoring (120k+ hosts 
and ~2k network devices). Nagios did need quite a bit of localized 
modifications to scale to the size required, but it was available for 
far less and with a much quicker turnaround than it would have taken 
with the available commercial tools.

Monitoring 100 systems should be a piece of cake for the stock nagios on 
even old hardware. Figuring out your monitoring requirements is going 
to be by-far the most time intensive part of any monitoring plan. 
Setting up and maintaining nagios is fairly straightforward once you 
know what you want to do with the tool.

-jba
__
 [jba at analogue.net] :: analogue.networks.nyc :: http://analogue.net



From george  Tue Nov 22 20:30:30 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:30:30 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] network monitoring  .  . . & something OT
Message-ID: <4383C636.104@sddi.net>

We're in the process of implementing Nagios for a large variety of 
clients. . . it will cover devices, application servers, the whole array.

Will be posting some info on that at some point as it progresses.  The 
biggest hassle is accumulating one set list of all hosts, with model, 
etc., of devices of monitor with what services. . .

And one nice thing about OBSD 3.8, a Nagios package is chrooted as a 
package.  Very nice. . .  And I don't think there was even a Nagios 
package on OBSD 3.7.

Now, OT, post-phone talk with .Ike about standards . . .

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper

particularly this one:

"The wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many of them 
to choose from."

g



From bob  Tue Nov 22 21:17:29 2005
From: bob (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:17:29 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] favourite monitoring tools
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511221951220.9726@salsa.int.nyc.analogue.net>
References: <20051122193126.B548@dru.domain.org>
	<57d710000511221650w16ef5b36meb60419d92a43706@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0511221951220.9726@salsa.int.nyc.analogue.net>
Message-ID: <15AC9D72-CC46-4518-A7BE-8F79D679B04B@redivi.com>


On Nov 22, 2005, at 5:06 PM, jeffrey.arnold wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005, pete wright wrote:
>
> :: On 11/22/05, Dru <dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> :: >
> :: > Experiences good/bad with Bigsister, Nagios and Zabbix also  
> appreciated.
> :: > The client needs to manage just over 100 systems, a mix of  
> routers, switches
> :: > and servers.
> :: >
>
> (snip)
> ::
> :: So, I'd give Nagios a +1 despite the some things I'd like to change
> :: from a configuration management perspective.  It also seems to full
> :: fill all of your prerequisites.
> ::
>

I'll give another +1 for Nagios.  We've been using it to monitor a  
small number of hosts and it works fine.  My biggest complaints are  
that the UI is inefficient and ugly, and the configuration language  
is one of the worst I've ever dealt with.  It seemed like the least  
worst solution when we were looking, though.

You'll almost definitely want to leverage some kind of tool to manage  
your configurations.  It's not really feasible to deal with 100+  
hosts by hand in Nagios configuration language.

-bob




From nomadlogic  Tue Nov 22 21:38:51 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:38:51 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] favourite monitoring tools
In-Reply-To: <15AC9D72-CC46-4518-A7BE-8F79D679B04B@redivi.com>
References: <20051122193126.B548@dru.domain.org>
	<57d710000511221650w16ef5b36meb60419d92a43706@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0511221951220.9726@salsa.int.nyc.analogue.net>
	<15AC9D72-CC46-4518-A7BE-8F79D679B04B@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <57d710000511221838t4233a893t4ac2d63dae543913@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/22/05, Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote:
>
> On Nov 22, 2005, at 5:06 PM, jeffrey.arnold wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 22 Nov 2005, pete wright wrote:
> >
> > :: On 11/22/05, Dru <dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > :: >
> > :: > Experiences good/bad with Bigsister, Nagios and Zabbix also
> > appreciated.
> > :: > The client needs to manage just over 100 systems, a mix of
> > routers, switches
> > :: > and servers.
> > :: >
> >
> > (snip)
> > ::
> > :: So, I'd give Nagios a +1 despite the some things I'd like to change
> > :: from a configuration management perspective.  It also seems to full
> > :: fill all of your prerequisites.
> > ::
> >
>
> I'll give another +1 for Nagios.  We've been using it to monitor a
> small number of hosts and it works fine.  My biggest complaints are
> that the UI is inefficient and ugly, and the configuration language
> is one of the worst I've ever dealt with.  It seemed like the least
> worst solution when we were looking, though.
>
> You'll almost definitely want to leverage some kind of tool to manage
> your configurations.  It's not really feasible to deal with 100+
> hosts by hand in Nagios configuration language.
>
> -bob
>
>

Along the lines of using a tool to manage the configs I found that
this seemed the most realistic to use.  It is also a commercial
product as well.  We did not use it, as the work of merging all of our
configuration data into this web ap. seemed to be more work that it
was worth (and I'm not a huge fan of stuff that locks you into a web
only interface).

http://itgroundwork.com/products/gwm-architect.html

-p



--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org
NYC's *BSD User Group



From o_sleep  Tue Nov 22 22:07:55 2005
From: o_sleep (Bjorn Nelson)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:07:55 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] favourite monitoring tools
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511221838t4233a893t4ac2d63dae543913@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051122193126.B548@dru.domain.org>
	<57d710000511221650w16ef5b36meb60419d92a43706@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0511221951220.9726@salsa.int.nyc.analogue.net>
	<15AC9D72-CC46-4518-A7BE-8F79D679B04B@redivi.com>
	<57d710000511221838t4233a893t4ac2d63dae543913@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0B49F8B-1436-461D-8103-8FF627FB9CF8@belovedarctos.com>


On Nov 22, 2005, at 9:38 PM, pete wright wrote:

> Along the lines of using a tool to manage the configs I found that
> this seemed the most realistic to use.  It is also a commercial
> product as well.  We did not use it, as the work of merging all of our
> configuration data into this web ap. seemed to be more work that it
> was worth (and I'm not a huge fan of stuff that locks you into a web
> only interface).
>
> http://itgroundwork.com/products/gwm-architect.html


+.5 for nagios and +.5 for monarch.
I switched to monarch (basically gwm-architect, not sure of the  
difference) from nagat.  Builds your config scripts into a staging  
area and runs a test from there before committing.

Also, played around with fruity before this, which has a nice  
interface but had some problems importing our configs.  Seems the  
developer for this got hired by the company that makes gwm-architect.

-Bjorn



From george  Wed Nov 23 03:22:23 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 03:22:23 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] using cvs
Message-ID: <20051123082223.GA21732@sta.duo>

I changed release tags and now I have a bunch of these...

cvs update: move away contrib/sys/arch/i386/dev/athhal-elf-o.uue; it is in the way
C contrib/sys/arch/i386/dev/athhal-elf-o.uue

After much experimentation, I see two options, capture stdout, and
use it to script the removal of files in the way (there are a lot)
or remove my complete archive and checkout again.

Just to confirm, is there really no way to overwrite these files
with cvs commands?

// George


--
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From rick  Wed Nov 23 10:43:45 2005
From: rick (Rick Aliwalas)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:43:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] favourite monitoring tools
In-Reply-To: <20051122193126.B548@dru.domain.org>
References: <20051122193126.B548@dru.domain.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.64.0511231039140.10788@corvo.oakview2.trilegiant.com>

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005, Dru wrote:

>
> I have a client who is torn between spending $1995 on a commercial monitoring 
> package that only installs on Windows or an Open Source solution which will 
> run on his FreeBSD servers. His requirements are SMS paging ability (a must) 
> and the ability to pay for support or at least access to decent 
> documentation. GUI interface that won't scare the other admins is also a 
> bonus.
>
> Looking through ports/net-mgmt shows that Nav looks promising on features
> (though lean on documentation other than the mailing lists). Anyone using 
> this product? http://metanav.ntnu.no/moin.cgi/
>
> Experiences good/bad with Bigsister, Nagios and Zabbix also appreciated. The 
> client needs to manage just over 100 systems, a mix of routers, switches and 
> servers.

I'm implmenting Hobbit for a network somewhat the same size as above.
It's easy to configure so far has worked well.  If you're familiar with
Big Brother, the transition is easy.

 	http://hobbitmon.sourceforge.net/

-rick

>
> Dru
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>



From njt  Wed Nov 23 11:20:18 2005
From: njt (N.J. Thomas)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:20:18 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] favourite monitoring tools
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.64.0511231039140.10788@corvo.oakview2.trilegiant.com>
References: <20051122193126.B548@dru.domain.org>
	<Pine.BSO.4.64.0511231039140.10788@corvo.oakview2.trilegiant.com>
Message-ID: <20051123162018.GN28513@ayvali.org>

* Rick Aliwalas <rick at cuc.com> [2005-11-23 10:43:45 -0500]:
>
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005, Dru wrote:
>
> > I have a client who is torn between spending $1995 on a commercial
> > monitoring package that only installs on Windows or an Open Source
> > solution which will run on his FreeBSD servers.
>
> I'm implmenting Hobbit for a network somewhat the same size as above.
> It's easy to configure so far has worked well.  If you're familiar
> with Big Brother, the transition is easy.
> 
> 	http://hobbitmon.sourceforge.net/

The site seems to be down at the moment. Is Hobbit a standalone package
or does it require BB?

We run our monitoring system on BigBrother/FreeBSD, but I'm eyeing
Nagios -- BB is starting to show its age and inability to scale
properly.

Thomas

-- 
N.J. Thomas
njt at ayvali.org
Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo



From nycbug  Wed Nov 23 11:20:43 2005
From: nycbug (Ray Lai)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:20:43 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] using cvs
In-Reply-To: <20051123082223.GA21732@sta.duo>
References: <20051123082223.GA21732@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <20051123162043.GA3317@syntax.cyth.net>

On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 03:22:23AM -0500, George Georgalis wrote:
> I changed release tags and now I have a bunch of these...
> 
> cvs update: move away contrib/sys/arch/i386/dev/athhal-elf-o.uue; it is in the way
> C contrib/sys/arch/i386/dev/athhal-elf-o.uue
> 
> After much experimentation, I see two options, capture stdout, and
> use it to script the removal of files in the way (there are a lot)
> or remove my complete archive and checkout again.
> 
> Just to confirm, is there really no way to overwrite these files
> with cvs commands?

I think you're looking for cvs up -C.

-Ray-



From rick  Wed Nov 23 11:44:02 2005
From: rick (Rick Aliwalas)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:44:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] favourite monitoring tools
In-Reply-To: <20051123162018.GN28513@ayvali.org>
References: <20051122193126.B548@dru.domain.org>
	<Pine.BSO.4.64.0511231039140.10788@corvo.oakview2.trilegiant.com>
	<20051123162018.GN28513@ayvali.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.64.0511231132420.10788@corvo.oakview2.trilegiant.com>

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, N.J. Thomas wrote:

> * Rick Aliwalas <rick at cuc.com> [2005-11-23 10:43:45 -0500]:
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005, Dru wrote:
>>
>>> I have a client who is torn between spending $1995 on a commercial
>>> monitoring package that only installs on Windows or an Open Source
>>> solution which will run on his FreeBSD servers.
>>
>> I'm implmenting Hobbit for a network somewhat the same size as above.
>> It's easy to configure so far has worked well.  If you're familiar
>> with Big Brother, the transition is easy.
>>
>> 	http://hobbitmon.sourceforge.net/
>
> The site seems to be down at the moment. Is Hobbit a standalone package
> or does it require BB?

Hobbit is designed to interact nicely w/ an existing BB installation and
scales much better than BB.

The server is standalone and there is a unix client.  No windows
client yet but the BB one works.  The BB add-ons from
http://www.deadcat.net should mostly work as well.

-rick

> We run our monitoring system on BigBrother/FreeBSD, but I'm eyeing
> Nagios -- BB is starting to show its age and inability to scale
> properly.
>
> Thomas
>
> -- 
> N.J. Thomas
> njt at ayvali.org
> Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>



From jbaltz  Wed Nov 23 13:29:48 2005
From: jbaltz (Jerry B. Altzman)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 13:29:48 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] favourite monitoring tools
In-Reply-To: <20051122193126.B548@dru.domain.org>
References: <20051122193126.B548@dru.domain.org>
Message-ID: <4384B51C.8020807@3phasecomputing.com>

On 11/22/2005 7:40 PM, Dru wrote:
> Experiences good/bad with Bigsister, Nagios and Zabbix also appreciated. 
> The client needs to manage just over 100 systems, a mix of routers, 
> switches and servers.

I've used nagios extensively for a network of that size, and it worked 
fine. It has a whole slew of options. Like all monitoring systems, 
though, it needs to be tuned well to keep out the false positives.

One thing I did not like about it was that it was not really amenable to 
making itself HA -- you couldn't have redundant monitoring servers 
easily, without just duplicating nagios (and having everything alert you 
twice...)

> Dru

//jbaltz
-- 
jerry b. altzman  jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com  +1 718 763 7405



From george  Wed Nov 23 16:49:38 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:49:38 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] using cvs
In-Reply-To: <20051123162043.GA3317@syntax.cyth.net>
References: <20051123082223.GA21732@sta.duo>
	<20051123162043.GA3317@syntax.cyth.net>
Message-ID: <20051123214938.GA716@sta.duo>

On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 11:20:43AM -0500, Ray Lai wrote:
>On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 03:22:23AM -0500, George Georgalis wrote:
>> I changed release tags and now I have a bunch of these...
>> 
>> cvs update: move away contrib/sys/arch/i386/dev/athhal-elf-o.uue; it is in the way
>> C contrib/sys/arch/i386/dev/athhal-elf-o.uue
>> 
>> After much experimentation, I see two options, capture stdout, and
>> use it to script the removal of files in the way (there are a lot)
>> or remove my complete archive and checkout again.
>> 
>> Just to confirm, is there really no way to overwrite these files
>> with cvs commands?
>
>I think you're looking for cvs up -C.

In this case that doesn't work. Presumably, because ./CVS files
don't have record of the files, update thinks I created them and
won't overwrite. ...well I don't really know what is going on but
I did try -C...

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From dlavigne6  Wed Nov 23 21:23:32 2005
From: dlavigne6 (Dru)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:23:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] O3 mag
Message-ID: <20051123211514.D544@dru.domain.org>


For those who missed it on Slashdot, there's a new online OpenSource mag 
which is quite attractive in layout but at the moment very Linux-centric.

e.g. p. 9 The Open Source Report shows the Linux kernel as having a major 
release in November, but the releases for FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD are 
glaringly missing... (do I hear letter to the editor?)

A search shows 3 references to BSD and 95 to Linux within the 42 pages.

Anyone who's ever had the urge to write an article, here's a venue aimed 
at CIOs, CTOs and IT mgmt/staff that could use some BSD exposure. You 
won't get paid, but you'll get mini-fame and a t-shirt or a discount on a 
full page ad for your company:

http://www.o3magazine.com/writing.html

Dru



From mspitzer  Wed Nov 23 22:43:30 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:43:30 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] using cvs
In-Reply-To: <20051123214938.GA716@sta.duo>
References: <20051123082223.GA21732@sta.duo>
	<20051123162043.GA3317@syntax.cyth.net> <20051123214938.GA716@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30511231943w33810d1ds8acbe3bffcb4e03e@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/23/05, George Georgalis <george at galis.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 11:20:43AM -0500, Ray Lai wrote:
> >On Wed, Nov 23, 2005 at 03:22:23AM -0500, George Georgalis wrote:
> >> I changed release tags and now I have a bunch of these...
> >>
> >> cvs update: move away contrib/sys/arch/i386/dev/athhal-elf-o.uue; it is in the way
> >> C contrib/sys/arch/i386/dev/athhal-elf-o.uue
> >>
> >> After much experimentation, I see two options, capture stdout, and
> >> use it to script the removal of files in the way (there are a lot)
> >> or remove my complete archive and checkout again.
> >>
> >> Just to confirm, is there really no way to overwrite these files
> >> with cvs commands?
> >
> >I think you're looking for cvs up -C.
>
> In this case that doesn't work. Presumably, because ./CVS files
> don't have record of the files, update thinks I created them and
> won't overwrite. ...well I don't really know what is going on but
> I did try -C...
>

nuke it, takes less time then talking about it.  Unless you have a
very slow link.

marc

> // George
>
>
> --
> George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
> http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org
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--
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From dan  Thu Nov 24 06:11:14 2005
From: dan (Dan Langille)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:11:14 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSDCan 2006: Call For Papers
Message-ID: <43855982.22861.1B86D699@localhost>

Hello folks,

BSDCan 2005 proved that the first annual BSDCan was no fluke.  We've 
demonstrated repeatedly that we know how to put on a good conference.  
It's hard to follow on from such success, but we know we can keep 
improving.  It is with great pleasure that I announce the BSDCan 2006 Call 
For Papers.  

BSDCan 2006 will be held May 12-13, 2005, in Ottawa at University of 
Ottawa.  We are now requesting proposals for papers.

The papers should be written with a very strong technical content 
bias. Papers and proposals of a business development or marketing 
nature are not appropriate for this venue.

The schedule is:

19 Dec 2005	Proposal acceptance begins	
19 Jan 2006	Proposal acceptance ends	
19 Feb 2006	Confirmation of accepted proposals	
19 Mar 2006	Abstracts due	
19 Apr 2006	Formatted final papers must arrive no later than this date

Please submit all proposals to papers at bsdcan.org

NOTE: This is the schedule for formal papers. We are also accepting 
submissions for for talks and presentations. If you have a proposal, 
please contact us on papers at bsdcan.org.
-- 
Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/
BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/





From lists  Thu Nov 24 09:47:57 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:47:57 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] remote logging
Message-ID: <20051124094757.534bb6b0@wit.genoverly.home>

I'm trying to forward all logging from a soekris running OpenBSD 3.8 to
a logserver on the local LAN running FreeBSD 6.0.  I can not get it to
work exactly the way I want.  All the soekris logs are writing
to /var/log, not /var/log/soekris.  I can disable the soekris logs
being written to /var/log with a `-soekris`, but first I want them to
show up where they are supposed to.  Can anyone see the mistake I'm
making?

soekris
-------------------
IP=192.168.0.2
syslog.conf = 
*.*	@logserver


logserver
-------------------
IP=192.168.0.4
syslog.conf=
+soekris
*.*	/var/log/soekris/log

rc.conf=
syslogd_flags="-a 192.168.0.2 -b 192.168.0.4"

$ ls /var/log/soekris/
total 4
drw-------  2 root  wheel   512B Nov 23 19:47 ./
drwxr-xr-x  4 root  wheel   1.0K Nov 24 03:02 ../
-rw-------  1 root  wheel     0B Nov 24 09:43 log

Once I get this working, I'll work on logging pflog to the logging
server.  This should help preserve the cf card in the soekris.

-- 

Michael



From dan  Fri Nov 25 09:04:01 2005
From: dan (Dan Langille)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:04:01 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSDCan 2006: Call For Papers
In-Reply-To: <43855982.22861.1B86D699@localhost>
Message-ID: <4386D381.19753.214B5C97@localhost>

On 24 Nov 2005 at 6:11, Dan Langille wrote:

> BSDCan 2006 will be held May 12-13, 2005, in Ottawa at University of 

Umm, that's 2006.  Strange how only one person mentioned it to me, 
despite many people reviewing it...
-- 
Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/
BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/





From lists  Fri Nov 25 13:18:37 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:18:37 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] su -
Message-ID: <20051125131837.2ca16b67@wit.genoverly.home>

On a fresh FreeBSD 6.0 install (w/ xorg), I added my local user to
wheel.  From another box, I can ssh to the local user then su to root.
I can log into the console as the local user and su to root... but when
running xorg as a local user, I can NOT su to root in xterm. I turned
on pam warnings, but still no clue.  I've google around and can find the
problem answered.  Any ideas?

I don't normally log in as root.  During the first few days of software
installation and configuration, it is just easier.
-- 

Michael



From jpb  Fri Nov 25 13:43:45 2005
From: jpb (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:43:45 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] su -
In-Reply-To: <20051125131837.2ca16b67@wit.genoverly.home>
References: <20051125131837.2ca16b67@wit.genoverly.home>
Message-ID: <20051125184345.GA2463@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>

* michael <lists at genoverly.net> [2005-11-25 13:19]:
> On a fresh FreeBSD 6.0 install (w/ xorg), I added my local user to
> wheel.  From another box, I can ssh to the local user then su to root.
> I can log into the console as the local user and su to root... but when
> running xorg as a local user, I can NOT su to root in xterm. I turned
> on pam warnings, but still no clue.  I've google around and can find the
> problem answered.  Any ideas?
> 
> I don't normally log in as root.  During the first few days of software
> installation and configuration, it is just easier.

Couple of thoughts- 
  Verify you are who you think you are with w.
  Check /var/log/auth.log  for errors.

Jim B.





From lists  Fri Nov 25 13:49:54 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:49:54 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] su -
In-Reply-To: <20051125184345.GA2463@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>
References: <20051125131837.2ca16b67@wit.genoverly.home>
	<20051125184345.GA2463@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>
Message-ID: <20051125134954.0a46cbf0@wit.genoverly.home>

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:43:45 -0500
Jim Brown <jpb at sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> wrote:

> Couple of thoughts- 
>   Verify you are who you think you are with w.
>   Check /var/log/auth.log  for errors.
> 
> Jim B.

ok on both.  There are only 2 users, root and I.  After booting, I log
onto the console as me and startx.  Then at the xterm I try to su;
unsuccessfully.

-- 

Michael



From jpb  Fri Nov 25 14:02:13 2005
From: jpb (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:02:13 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] su -
In-Reply-To: <20051125134954.0a46cbf0@wit.genoverly.home>
References: <20051125131837.2ca16b67@wit.genoverly.home>
	<20051125184345.GA2463@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>
	<20051125134954.0a46cbf0@wit.genoverly.home>
Message-ID: <20051125190213.GB2463@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>

* michael <lists at genoverly.net> [2005-11-25 13:50]:
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:43:45 -0500
> Jim Brown <jpb at sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> wrote:
> 
> > Couple of thoughts- 
> >   Verify you are who you think you are with w.
> >   Check /var/log/auth.log  for errors.
> > 
> > Jim B.
> 
> ok on both.  There are only 2 users, root and I.  After booting, I log
> onto the console as me and startx.  Then at the xterm I try to su;
> unsuccessfully.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael


My guess is that the xterm is resetting your uid.

I'll think on this some more.  Let us know what you find out...

Jim B.




From mspitzer  Fri Nov 25 16:17:05 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:17:05 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] su -
In-Reply-To: <20051125190213.GB2463@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>
References: <20051125131837.2ca16b67@wit.genoverly.home>
	<20051125184345.GA2463@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>
	<20051125134954.0a46cbf0@wit.genoverly.home>
	<20051125190213.GB2463@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30511251317w56e45aeera2505aac550af632@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/25/05, Jim Brown <jpb at sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> wrote:
> * michael <lists at genoverly.net> [2005-11-25 13:50]:
> > On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:43:45 -0500
> > Jim Brown <jpb at sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Couple of thoughts-
> > >   Verify you are who you think you are with w.
> > >   Check /var/log/auth.log  for errors.
> > >
> > > Jim B.
> >
> > ok on both.  There are only 2 users, root and I.  After booting, I log
> > onto the console as me and startx.  Then at the xterm I try to su;
> > unsuccessfully.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Michael
>
>
> My guess is that the xterm is resetting your uid.

if so try playing around with the 'id' command, id -Gn == groups(1)
for example.  See if hat you get is what you expect.

marc

>
> I'll think on this some more.  Let us know what you find out...
>
> Jim B.
>
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form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From tux  Fri Nov 25 19:10:30 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:10:30 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] su -
In-Reply-To: <20051125131837.2ca16b67@wit.genoverly.home>
References: <20051125131837.2ca16b67@wit.genoverly.home>
Message-ID: <4387A7F6.20603@penguinnetwerx.net>

michael wrote:
> On a fresh FreeBSD 6.0 install (w/ xorg), I added my local user to
> wheel.  From another box, I can ssh to the local user then su to root.
> I can log into the console as the local user and su to root... but when
> running xorg as a local user, I can NOT su to root in xterm. I turned
> on pam warnings, but still no clue.  I've google around and can find the
> problem answered.  Any ideas?
> 
> I don't normally log in as root.  During the first few days of software
> installation and configuration, it is just easier.


Just OOC, which shell are you using, or have you tried it using more than one 
shell with the same results?  I ask because I just finished a 6.0 install on my 
new laptop and was working on it for about 16 hours straight, doing everything you 
mentioned, without a hitch.  The only thing I do once I reboot after the install 
is install my bash files [1] and haven't had any problems since.

Does anything stand out in /var/log/messages or /var/log/auth?

Can't think of anything else ATM, but I'm due for my hourly caffeine injection, 
which might explain it..

Kev

[1] http://penguinnetwerx.net/bsd/bash_files.tar.gz



-- 
It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything 
runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?




From tux  Fri Nov 25 19:14:08 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:14:08 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] su -
In-Reply-To: <4387A7F6.20603@penguinnetwerx.net>
References: <20051125131837.2ca16b67@wit.genoverly.home>
	<4387A7F6.20603@penguinnetwerx.net>
Message-ID: <4387A8D0.7060603@penguinnetwerx.net>

Kevin Reiter wrote:
> michael wrote:
> 
>> On a fresh FreeBSD 6.0 install (w/ xorg), I added my local user to
>> wheel.  From another box, I can ssh to the local user then su to root.
>> I can log into the console as the local user and su to root... but when
>> running xorg as a local user, I can NOT su to root in xterm. I turned
>> on pam warnings, but still no clue.  I've google around and can find the
>> problem answered.  Any ideas?
>>
>> I don't normally log in as root.  During the first few days of software
>> installation and configuration, it is just easier.
> 
> 
> 
> Just OOC, which shell are you using, or have you tried it using more 
> than one shell with the same results?  I ask because I just finished a 
> 6.0 install on my new laptop and was working on it for about 16 hours 
> straight, doing everything you mentioned, without a hitch.  The only 
> thing I do once I reboot after the install is install my bash files [1] 
> and haven't had any problems since.
> 
> Does anything stand out in /var/log/messages or /var/log/auth?
> 
> Can't think of anything else ATM, but I'm due for my hourly caffeine 
> injection, which might explain it..
> 
> Kev
> 
> [1] http://penguinnetwerx.net/bsd/bash_files.tar.gz

I was going to include the contents of the files, but my trigger finger was 
quicker than I thought..

Would "unset USERNAME" have any affect on what you're experiencing?

# .bash_profile

# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
	. ~/.bashrc
fi

PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
BASH_ENV=$HOME/.bashrc
MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir
DEFAULT=$HOME/Maildir/
export BASH_ENV PATH MAILDIR DEFAULT
unset USERNAME

-----------

# .bashrc

umask 022
export EDITOR=/usr/bin/ee
export MANPATH=/usr/share/man:/usr/local/man
export PAGER=less
export SHELL=/usr/local/bin/bash
export 
PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin

# Get my favorite prompt:
PS1="\u@\h [\w]\\$ "
PS2="\u@\h \! "

# Make sure I have a $DISPLAY:
if [ "$DISPLAY" = "" ]; then
   export DISPLAY=:0
fi

# Custom aliases go here:
alias ls='ls -CFG'



-- 
It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything 
runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?




From george  Sat Nov 26 13:04:52 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:04:52 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] back to network monitoring tools
Message-ID: <4388A3C4.6020108@sddi.net>

Regarding the earlier discussion about network monitoring. . .

We are moving along with Nagios for our ~60 or so hosts, but to be 
honest, I was initially looking for something a bit less complex.  Maybe 
even just a more sophisticated version of the old Uptime project plus 
some bells & whistles.

Dru: I really not sure of your needs for monitoring, but sysmon is 
certainly a fun little application for the most basic monitoring.

www.sysmon.org

The current version .92.2 is simple to configure, nicely modular and 
provides the basics.  It deals with ping, pop, smtp, http and others 
with tcp or udp.

Looking at the source for the next version, support is expanded to https 
(instead of just doing port 443/tcp), ssh, etc.

As a side note, the developer runs his main host out of a FBSD jail, so 
he even addresses the issues of not using icmp or tweaking for icmp out 
of a jail:

https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/sysmon-help/2005-August/000131.html

g



From dlavigne6  Sat Nov 26 13:40:03 2005
From: dlavigne6 (Dru)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 13:40:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] back to network monitoring tools
In-Reply-To: <4388A3C4.6020108@sddi.net>
References: <4388A3C4.6020108@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20051126133302.E544@dru.domain.org>



On Sat, 26 Nov 2005, George R. wrote:

> Regarding the earlier discussion about network monitoring. . .
>
> We are moving along with Nagios for our ~60 or so hosts, but to be honest, I 
> was initially looking for something a bit less complex.  Maybe even just a 
> more sophisticated version of the old Uptime project plus some bells & 
> whistles.


>From the list, nagios seems to be the most popular despite the difficult 
initial configuration.


> Dru: I really not sure of your needs for monitoring, but sysmon is certainly 
> a fun little application for the most basic monitoring.
>
> www.sysmon.org


Thanks, I'll check it out.

I'm trying nav, and so far the configuration is great. The ports maintainer
wrote an after-install config that magically sets up the environment, 
auto-configures Postgresql with the correct tables, creates all necessary 
passwords using apg and does an initial cricket config. So far, I've only 
had to generate SSL certs for Apache as I wanted protected communications.

Only downside is due to the slow jdk14 build on a fresh system--otherwise 
I prob would have finished the entire setup on Friday.

Hope to finish the config on Monday/Tuesday. I'm keeping detailed notes so 
will let you guys know if the rest of the configs are as painless. If they 
are, will definitely become the next article.

Dru



From okan  Sat Nov 26 22:26:09 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:26:09 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] back to network monitoring tools
In-Reply-To: <4388A3C4.6020108@sddi.net>
References: <4388A3C4.6020108@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20051127032609.GA47094@yinaska.pair.com>

On Sat 2005.11.26 at 13:04 -0500, George Rosamond wrote:
> Regarding the earlier discussion about network monitoring. . .

i'll toss one in: monit - http://www.tildeslash.com/monit/



From george  Sun Nov 27 08:11:21 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:11:21 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] back to network monitoring tools
In-Reply-To: <20051127032609.GA47094@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <4388A3C4.6020108@sddi.net>
	<20051127032609.GA47094@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20051127131121.GA11587@sta.duo>

On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 10:26:09PM -0500, Okan Demirmen wrote:
>On Sat 2005.11.26 at 13:04 -0500, George Rosamond wrote:
>> Regarding the earlier discussion about network monitoring. . .
>
>i'll toss one in: monit - http://www.tildeslash.com/monit/


I never heard of that, but if you can swallow your pride, mon has
a really excellent scheduler and alert process, it's a perl daemon
simple enough to setup in an hour, but designed to deploy in more
complex ways. comes with cgi and snmp resources too.

http://kernel.org/pub/software/admin/mon/

intro in the html directory...

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From lists  Sun Nov 27 17:38:53 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:38:53 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] spamd with mail gateway and mailserver
Message-ID: <20051127173853.176beb19@wit.genoverly.home>

I recently set up a new network and was having difficulty with spamd on
my firewall and found one simple solution (there may be others) that I
wanted to put in the archives. 

I have a firewall that doubles as my mail gateway.  I list the gateway
as the MX for the domain.  A box behind the firewall is my mailserver.
If mail arrives on the gateway (destined for legit accounts) it is
relayed to the mailserver.  Alternately, I send and recieve all my mail
on the mailserver.  My outgoing mail is relayed back to the gateway and
out to the internet.

Mail from internet to me:
internet --> gateway ---> mailserver

Mail from me to internet:
mua  --> (firewall implied)--> mailserver --> gateway --> internet

Only after I had everything working well, I wanted to add OpenBSD's
spamd to the mix.  The problem was.. there happened to be two kinds of
smtp traffic coming from the outside world into the firewall:  MTA's
trying to deliver mail to me -and- me trying to deliver mail out to the
world.  Well, spamd does not know (or care) who you are when you come
knocking on port 25.. you go into the system.  The first thing my MUA
does is ask to start a TLS session.  spamd does not do TLS.  I tried
some fancy redirection in pf but could not get it to work easily.

Further research uncovered an alternate smtp port.

$ grep 587 /etc/services 
submission	587/tcp	msa	# mail message submission
submission	587/udp	msa	# mail message submission

I told the mailserver to listen on submission, opened that server/port
in the firewall, and changed my MUA to use the new port and all is
well.   *MY* smtp traffic no longer goes thru 25 and does not get
sucked into spamd.

-- 

Michael



From chsnyder  Mon Nov 28 11:04:28 2005
From: chsnyder (csnyder)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:04:28 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] spamd with mail gateway and mailserver
In-Reply-To: <20051127173853.176beb19@wit.genoverly.home>
References: <20051127173853.176beb19@wit.genoverly.home>
Message-ID: <b76252690511280804s1477fdc1sca3a40e0caffec38@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/27/05, michael <lists at genoverly.net> wrote:

> I told the mailserver to listen on submission, opened that server/port
> in the firewall, and changed my MUA to use the new port and all is
> well.   *MY* smtp traffic no longer goes thru 25 and does not get
> sucked into spamd.

But how do you ensure authentication for connections to port 587?

Or could a clever spammer simply bypass your spamd by routing mail
through the alternate port?

--
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From lists  Mon Nov 28 12:48:01 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:48:01 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] spamd with mail gateway and mailserver
In-Reply-To: <b76252690511280804s1477fdc1sca3a40e0caffec38@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051127173853.176beb19@wit.genoverly.home>
	<b76252690511280804s1477fdc1sca3a40e0caffec38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051128124801.59d55bb6@wit.genoverly.home>

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:04:28 -0500
csnyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11/27/05, michael <lists at genoverly.net> wrote:
> 
> > I told the mailserver to listen on submission, opened that
> > server/port in the firewall, and changed my MUA to use the new port
> > and all is well.   *MY* smtp traffic no longer goes thru 25 and
> > does not get sucked into spamd.
> 
> But how do you ensure authentication for connections to port 587?
> 
> Or could a clever spammer simply bypass your spamd by routing mail
> through the alternate port?
> 
> --
> Chris Snyder
> http://chxo.com/

Spammers are clever, no doubt.  

On the "gateway", they have to get thru spamd and only mail for legit
accounts is accepted... among many other rules.

The "mailserver" has smtpd_enforce_tls=yes and
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes set, so, spammers would be stopped
there... unless they had an account <grin>.

-- 

Michael




From steve.rieger  Mon Nov 28 13:52:02 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:52:02 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] snmp/mrtg/rrd, etc and the medical world. 
Message-ID: <3B1C8457-8E7D-4727-8910-A7598416B1DD@tbwachiat.com>

hi all
since its getting close to the holidays, and we all go to parties,  
during this time of the year, i will pose a questions for you. one  
that shall not be thought of whilst at work but rather only after  
tasting the joys of a bit of etoh.

sonce mrtg, rrd, and snmp do such a good job of telling us and  
mapping everything that occurs with many devices, i would like to add  
one device to this list. a heart. now imagine if a doc, or a network  
admin has the ability to log into a web page and can see what your  
heart rate is, what your blood pressure is, along with a history  
going back 90 days. in my opinion this could be very much the "next  
big thing". lets go one step further and set up a snmp trap, every 14  
beats of the heart, it sends a trap to one central heart trapping  
device, which takes this info maps it, graphs it, and pages the  
appropriate people if no trap was received for more than 3 cycles.

we would then be able to prove that java does have a very beneficial  
effect on the state of mind, as its all mapped. it would let us know  
how long between drinking a 27 ounce cup'o'java and the time it takes  
the bladder to fill up, mrtg will graph this with the help of rrd as  
well.

anyways, do not ponder your valuable time on this now, but rather  
while at the holiday party, because thats when it will start making  
sense.


oh and on a side note. i am moving to the west coast on dec 17. i  
wish you all happy days, weeks, months, and years. i will continue to  
post totally off topic for as long as you let me. it was nice meeting  
you, and in the future we shall communicate long distance only.  
shouuld any of you decide to pop into LA, do drop me a line.



Steve Rieger
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From o_sleep  Mon Nov 28 16:14:10 2005
From: o_sleep (Bjorn Nelson)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:14:10 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] tracking for multiple machines
In-Reply-To: <0B6BF1AE-EE97-4BE2-81B3-FDFBE3645E15@belovedarctos.com>
References: <0B6BF1AE-EE97-4BE2-81B3-FDFBE3645E15@belovedarctos.com>
Message-ID: <A3D846D6-374D-48DF-A0F7-A31E9FDA366D@belovedarctos.com>

NYCBuggers,

I ended up making a shell script (see below) that puts a lock file  
in /usr/src before starting a build.  Then I made a BSDmakefile that  
includes the Makefile as long as the lock file isn't there or you set  
the BUILDOVERRIDE variable.  make grabs BSDmakefile or makefile  
before Makefile:

< snip to line 789 from /usr/src/usr.bin/make.c >
         } else if (!ReadMakefile("BSDmakefile", NULL))
             if (!ReadMakefile("makefile", NULL))
                 (void)ReadMakefile("Makefile", NULL);

So as long this doesn't change, this method should be okay.  Let me  
know if you see any land-mines.

Thanks,
Bjorn Nelson

=========build_all.sh=============

#!/bin/sh

# Created by: Bjorn Nelson 051128
#
# Description: Builds sources while locking them.
#


# Check for proper usage
if [ ! $1 ]; then
   echo "Usage: $0 numberofthreads"
   exit 1
fi

# Set Your Variables
THREADS=$1
DIRLOC="/usr/src"
CATLOC="/bin/cat"
RMLOC="/bin/rm"
TOUCHLOC="/usr/bin/touch"
DATELOC="/bin/date"
LOGDIR="/var/log"
MAKEFILE_NAME="BSDmakefile"
LOCKFILE_NAME="BUILDING"

# Start "here" document to supercede /usr/src/Makefile
$CATLOC << EOF > $DIRLOC/$MAKEFILE_NAME

.if exists($DIRLOC/$LOCKFILE_NAME) && empty(BUILDOVERRIDE)
.error $DIRLOC/$LOCKFILE_NAME file exists. Cancelling install.
.else
.include <Makefile>
.endif

EOF

# Lock sources
$TOUCHLOC $DIRLOC/$LOCKFILE_NAME

# Start buildworld while overriding lock
echo "buildworld Started: `$DATELOC`" >> $LOGDIR/buildworld.out
#/usr/bin/make -C $DIRLOC -j $THREADS buildworld BUILDOVERRIDE=TRUE  
 >> $LOGDIR/b
uildworld.out 2> /var/log/buildworld.err
make -C $DIRLOC BUILDOVERRIDE=TRUE test
echo "buildworld Completed: `$DATELOC`" >> $LOGDIR/buildworld.out


# Start buildkernel while overriding lock
echo "buildkernel Started: `$DATELOC`" >> $LOGDIR/buildkernel.out
#make buildkernel -C $DIRLOC BUILDOVERRIDE=TRUE >> $LOGDIR/ 
buildkernel.out 2> /v
ar/log/buildkernel.err
make -C $DIRLOC BUILDOVERRIDE=TRUE test
echo "buildkernel Completed: `$DATELOC`" >> $LOGDIR/buildkernel.out

# Unlock sources
$RMLOC $DIRLOC/$LOCKFILE_NAME





From spork  Mon Nov 28 20:44:48 2005
From: spork (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:44:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] jail file removal
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511282042180.709@charles-sprickmans-computer.local>

Hi all,

I've been looking around for a maintained list of files that are good to 
remove from a jail.  So far, this is the most comprehensive list I've 
found.  Any opinions on this one?  Is there a better reference that I've 
missed?

http://memberwebs.com/nielsen/freebsd/jails/docs/jail_remove.html

Thanks,

Charles



From george  Mon Nov 28 20:47:35 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:47:35 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] jail file removal
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511282042180.709@charles-sprickmans-computer.local>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511282042180.709@charles-sprickmans-computer.local>
Message-ID: <438BB337.3050907@sddi.net>

Charles Sprickman wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been looking around for a maintained list of files that are good to 
> remove from a jail.  So far, this is the most comprehensive list I've 
> found.  Any opinions on this one?  Is there a better reference that I've 
> missed?
> 
> http://memberwebs.com/nielsen/freebsd/jails/docs/jail_remove.html
> 
> Thanks,

No, thank *you*. . .

A number of us have had regular discussions about this topic.

I have a bunch of jails on different boxes in production, and they are 
BLOATED.

When I get a chance, I'll test out on 4.x and 5.x.

Did you try this out Charles?

g



From nomadlogic  Mon Nov 28 21:01:58 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:01:58 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] jail file removal
In-Reply-To: <438BB337.3050907@sddi.net>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511282042180.709@charles-sprickmans-computer.local>
	<438BB337.3050907@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <57d710000511281801w43312f3clb1bc642b7f9985b4@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/28/05, George R. <george at sddi.net> wrote:
> Charles Sprickman wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've been looking around for a maintained list of files that are good to
> > remove from a jail.  So far, this is the most comprehensive list I've
> > found.  Any opinions on this one?  Is there a better reference that I've
> > missed?
> >
> > http://memberwebs.com/nielsen/freebsd/jails/docs/jail_remove.html
> >
> > Thanks,
>
> No, thank *you*. . .
>
> A number of us have had regular discussions about this topic.
>
> I have a bunch of jails on different boxes in production, and they are
> BLOATED.
>
> When I get a chance, I'll test out on 4.x and 5.x.
>
> Did you try this out Charles?
>
> g

probably shouldn't say this (as i don't have the time and do it) but
this would be an execellent scripting exercise.  Heck, even a build
and tune script would be a nice thing to have.  thanks for the link
Charles!

-p

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--
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www.nycbug.org
NYC's *BSD User Group



From spork  Mon Nov 28 22:41:29 2005
From: spork (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:41:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] jail file removal
In-Reply-To: <438BB337.3050907@sddi.net>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511282042180.709@charles-sprickmans-computer.local>
	<438BB337.3050907@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0511282223350.709@charles-sprickmans-computer.local>

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, George R. wrote:

> Charles Sprickman wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've been looking around for a maintained list of files that are good to 
>> remove from a jail.  So far, this is the most comprehensive list I've 
>> found.  Any opinions on this one?  Is there a better reference that I've 
>> missed?
>> 
>> http://memberwebs.com/nielsen/freebsd/jails/docs/jail_remove.html
>> 
>> Thanks,
>
> No, thank *you*. . .
>
> A number of us have had regular discussions about this topic.
>
> I have a bunch of jails on different boxes in production, and they are 
> BLOATED.

I'm aiming for something in the neighborhood of unbloating and just not 
having stuff there that I don't want people poking around in.

I've also made a bit of a list for /etc to set things immutable.  That 
probably needs more work.

> When I get a chance, I'll test out on 4.x and 5.x.
>
> Did you try this out Charles?

Yep, and it seems to have not broken anything (that I've noticed).  At the 
very least it's cut down the number of things I have to evaluate.

Your question also lead me to find something else I didn't know about.  I 
wanted to see if I could get more info from the jail startup process. 
Looking at the "jail" file in /etc/rc.d I found some debug flags.  Looking 
at /etc/defaults/rc.conf, I found these two interesting lines:

rc_debug="YES"
rc_info="YES"

That enables some pretty verbose output.  Neat stuff:

root at newida[/etc]# sh rc.d/jail start jail1
rc.d/jail: DEBUG: checkyesno: jail_enable is set to YES.
rc.d/jail: DEBUG: run_rc_command: evaluating jail_start().
Configuring jails:rc.d/jail: DEBUG: checkyesno: jail_set_hostname_allow is 
set to YES.
rc.d/jail: DEBUG: checkyesno: jail_socket_unixiproute_only is set to YES.
rc.d/jail: DEBUG: checkyesno: jail_sysvipc_allow is set to NO.
.
Starting jails:rc.d/jail: DEBUG: jail1 devfs enable: YES
rc.d/jail: DEBUG: jail1 fdescfs enable: NO
rc.d/jail: DEBUG: jail1 procfs enable: NO
[etc...]

Handy, and it logs in /var/log/messages too.

Charles

> g
>



From tux  Tue Nov 29 14:56:02 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:56:02 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenOffice 2.0 on FreeBSD 6.0 Build Failure (gconf2)
Message-ID: <438CB252.7040103@penguinnetwerx.net>

Hey all,

I'm attempting to install OpenOffice.org 2.0 in FreeBSD 6.0.  I didn't have any 
problems until after getting Java installed, when it moved onto gconf2:

===>   openoffice.org-2.0.0_1 depends on shared library: gconf-2.5 - not found
===>    Verifying install for gconf-2.5 in /usr/ports/devel/gconf2
===>  gconf2-2.12.1 is marked as broken: Unknown component ltverhack.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gconf2.
*** Error code 1

I ran a cvsup last night, so the ports tree is recent as of then.

Does anyone know a workaround/fix/suggestion for this?  I have portaudit 
installed, which is what I'm guessing is stopping the build, although I could be 
wrong.  Is there a way to bypass the check for this if that's the case?

Thanks,
Kev


-- 
It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything 
runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?




From george  Tue Nov 29 14:58:45 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:58:45 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenOffice 2.0 on FreeBSD 6.0 Build Failure (gconf2)
In-Reply-To: <438CB252.7040103@penguinnetwerx.net>
References: <438CB252.7040103@penguinnetwerx.net>
Message-ID: <438CB2F5.1080900@sddi.net>

Kevin Reiter wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> I'm attempting to install OpenOffice.org 2.0 in FreeBSD 6.0.  I didn't 
> have any problems until after getting Java installed, when it moved onto 
> gconf2:
> 
> ===>   openoffice.org-2.0.0_1 depends on shared library: gconf-2.5 - not 
> found
> ===>    Verifying install for gconf-2.5 in /usr/ports/devel/gconf2
> ===>  gconf2-2.12.1 is marked as broken: Unknown component ltverhack.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gconf2.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> I ran a cvsup last night, so the ports tree is recent as of then.
> 
> Does anyone know a workaround/fix/suggestion for this?  I have portaudit 
> installed, which is what I'm guessing is stopping the build, although I 
> could be wrong.  Is there a way to bypass the check for this if that's 
> the case?

I dealt with this a while ago, and think I had to manually delete gconf2 
(and maybe other dependencies as this happened), and let OOo reinstall 
on its own.

That's my usual procedure on the rare happening that a port doesn't 
install right.

can't wait for the OOo2 pkg to be out. . .

g



From tux  Tue Nov 29 15:06:34 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:06:34 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
Message-ID: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>

Hey all,

Another build problem, this time with Thunderbird:

===>   thunderbird-1.0.7_1 depends on shared library: gtk-x11-2.0.600 - not found
===>    Verifying install for gtk-x11-2.0.600 in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20
===>  gtk-2.8.8 is marked as broken: Unknown component ltverhack.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird.

I'm seeing the same thing for bild build fails: "Unknown component ltverhack"

Googling for this only returned a bunch of pages on freshports.org

Note that I _do_not_ have Gnome installed (and won't if I can avoid it)...

Kev


-- 
It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything 
runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?




From tux  Tue Nov 29 15:08:51 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:08:51 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenOffice 2.0 on FreeBSD 6.0 Build Failure (gconf2)
In-Reply-To: <438CB2F5.1080900@sddi.net>
References: <438CB252.7040103@penguinnetwerx.net> <438CB2F5.1080900@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <438CB553.9000106@penguinnetwerx.net>

George R. wrote:
> Kevin Reiter wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I'm attempting to install OpenOffice.org 2.0 in FreeBSD 6.0.  I didn't 
>> have any problems until after getting Java installed, when it moved 
>> onto gconf2:
>>
>> ===>   openoffice.org-2.0.0_1 depends on shared library: gconf-2.5 - 
>> not found
>> ===>    Verifying install for gconf-2.5 in /usr/ports/devel/gconf2
>> ===>  gconf2-2.12.1 is marked as broken: Unknown component ltverhack.
>> *** Error code 1
>>
>> Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gconf2.
>> *** Error code 1
>>
>> I ran a cvsup last night, so the ports tree is recent as of then.
>>
>> Does anyone know a workaround/fix/suggestion for this?  I have 
>> portaudit installed, which is what I'm guessing is stopping the build, 
>> although I could be wrong.  Is there a way to bypass the check for 
>> this if that's the case?
> 
> 
> I dealt with this a while ago, and think I had to manually delete gconf2 
> (and maybe other dependencies as this happened), and let OOo reinstall 
> on its own.
> 
> That's my usual procedure on the rare happening that a port doesn't 
> install right.
> 
> can't wait for the OOo2 pkg to be out. . .

kevin at zeus [~]$ pkg_info | grep gconf2
kevin at zeus [~]$ pkg_info | grep gconf
pkgconfig-0.17.2    A utility to retrieve information about installed libraries
kevin at zeus [~]$

I'd delete it if it were installed, but it ain't..

Yeah, I'm with you on the pacjage for it, although I don't normally use packages, 
but for this and a few others, I'd jump on 'em.


-- 
It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything 
runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?




From nomadlogic  Tue Nov 29 15:12:12 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:12:12 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
In-Reply-To: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>
References: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>
Message-ID: <57d710000511291212h1b2febbds52745eb815778c53@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/29/05, Kevin Reiter <tux at penguinnetwerx.net> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Another build problem, this time with Thunderbird:
>
> ===>   thunderbird-1.0.7_1 depends on shared library: gtk-x11-2.0.600 - not found
> ===>    Verifying install for gtk-x11-2.0.600 in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20
> ===>  gtk-2.8.8 is marked as broken: Unknown component ltverhack.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird.
> *** Error code 1
>
> Stop in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird.
>
> I'm seeing the same thing for bild build fails: "Unknown component ltverhack"
>
> Googling for this only returned a bunch of pages on freshports.org
>
> Note that I _do_not_ have Gnome installed (and won't if I can avoid it)...
>
> Kev

Yea, it looks like there is something broken in gtk that the ports
team does not want to install.  couple things you can try:

1) install a thunderbird binary from pkg's
2) cvsup your ports tree and install the offending gtk20 toolkits by
hand before doing the thunderbird install.

I think there is a way to you can force the port to duild, but i would
not go that route as I'm sure it's flagged as broken for a good reason
;)

-p


>
>
> --
> It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything
> runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>


--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org
NYC's *BSD User Group



From george  Tue Nov 29 15:12:18 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:12:18 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenOffice 2.0 on FreeBSD 6.0 Build Failure (gconf2)
In-Reply-To: <438CB553.9000106@penguinnetwerx.net>
References: <438CB252.7040103@penguinnetwerx.net> <438CB2F5.1080900@sddi.net>
	<438CB553.9000106@penguinnetwerx.net>
Message-ID: <438CB622.8000002@sddi.net>

Kevin Reiter wrote:
> George R. wrote:
> 
>> Kevin Reiter wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I'm attempting to install OpenOffice.org 2.0 in FreeBSD 6.0.  I 
>>> didn't have any problems until after getting Java installed, when it 
>>> moved onto gconf2:
>>>
>>> ===>   openoffice.org-2.0.0_1 depends on shared library: gconf-2.5 - 
>>> not found
>>> ===>    Verifying install for gconf-2.5 in /usr/ports/devel/gconf2
>>> ===>  gconf2-2.12.1 is marked as broken: Unknown component ltverhack.
>>> *** Error code 1
>>>
>>> Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gconf2.
>>> *** Error code 1
>>>
>>> I ran a cvsup last night, so the ports tree is recent as of then.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know a workaround/fix/suggestion for this?  I have 
>>> portaudit installed, which is what I'm guessing is stopping the 
>>> build, although I could be wrong.  Is there a way to bypass the check 
>>> for this if that's the case?
>>
>>
>>
>> I dealt with this a while ago, and think I had to manually delete 
>> gconf2 (and maybe other dependencies as this happened), and let OOo 
>> reinstall on its own.
>>
>> That's my usual procedure on the rare happening that a port doesn't 
>> install right.
>>
>> can't wait for the OOo2 pkg to be out. . .
> 
> 
> kevin at zeus [~]$ pkg_info | grep gconf2
> kevin at zeus [~]$ pkg_info | grep gconf
> pkgconfig-0.17.2    A utility to retrieve information about installed 
> libraries
> kevin at zeus [~]$
> 
> I'd delete it if it were installed, but it ain't..
> 
> Yeah, I'm with you on the pacjage for it, although I don't normally use 
> packages, but for this and a few others, I'd jump on 'em.

then try adding as a pkg

pkg_add -r gconf2

i don't remember the exact solutions, but I did manage to pull off the 
install of OOo2, albeit after a long long time on a PIV 1.7 with 1 gig.

For better or worse, screwey ports and pkgs can usually be managed with 
a selective mix of port make deinstall (s) and adding dependencies as pkgs.

g




From tux  Tue Nov 29 15:28:51 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:28:51 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenOffice 2.0 on FreeBSD 6.0 Build Failure (gconf2)
In-Reply-To: <438CB622.8000002@sddi.net>
References: <438CB252.7040103@penguinnetwerx.net> <438CB2F5.1080900@sddi.net>
	<438CB553.9000106@penguinnetwerx.net> <438CB622.8000002@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <438CBA03.5080807@penguinnetwerx.net>

George R. wrote:
> Kevin Reiter wrote:
> 
>> George R. wrote:
>>
>>> Kevin Reiter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm attempting to install OpenOffice.org 2.0 in FreeBSD 6.0.  I 
>>>> didn't have any problems until after getting Java installed, when it 
>>>> moved onto gconf2:
>>>>
>>>> ===>   openoffice.org-2.0.0_1 depends on shared library: gconf-2.5 - 
>>>> not found
>>>> ===>    Verifying install for gconf-2.5 in /usr/ports/devel/gconf2
>>>> ===>  gconf2-2.12.1 is marked as broken: Unknown component ltverhack.
>>>> *** Error code 1
>>>>
>>>> Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gconf2.
>>>> *** Error code 1
>>>>
>>>> I ran a cvsup last night, so the ports tree is recent as of then.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know a workaround/fix/suggestion for this?  I have 
>>>> portaudit installed, which is what I'm guessing is stopping the 
>>>> build, although I could be wrong.  Is there a way to bypass the 
>>>> check for this if that's the case?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I dealt with this a while ago, and think I had to manually delete 
>>> gconf2 (and maybe other dependencies as this happened), and let OOo 
>>> reinstall on its own.
>>>
>>> That's my usual procedure on the rare happening that a port doesn't 
>>> install right.
>>>
>>> can't wait for the OOo2 pkg to be out. . .
>>
>>
>>
>> kevin at zeus [~]$ pkg_info | grep gconf2
>> kevin at zeus [~]$ pkg_info | grep gconf
>> pkgconfig-0.17.2    A utility to retrieve information about installed 
>> libraries
>> kevin at zeus [~]$
>>
>> I'd delete it if it were installed, but it ain't..
>>
>> Yeah, I'm with you on the pacjage for it, although I don't normally 
>> use packages, but for this and a few others, I'd jump on 'em.
> 
> 
> then try adding as a pkg
> 
> pkg_add -r gconf2
> 
> i don't remember the exact solutions, but I did manage to pull off the 
> install of OOo2, albeit after a long long time on a PIV 1.7 with 1 gig.
> 
> For better or worse, screwey ports and pkgs can usually be managed with 
> a selective mix of port make deinstall (s) and adding dependencies as pkgs.

Well, I hit another roadblock when running portsdb -Uu (error about not finding 
ports/net-im/gaim somethingorother).  Since I don't recall there *being* a net-im 
port, I restarted a cvsup, this time using ports-all (which I typically don't do 
after an initial cvsup after install) as per the error message.

Time will tell ...


-- 
It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything 
runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?




From tux  Tue Nov 29 15:29:01 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:29:01 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511291212h1b2febbds52745eb815778c53@mail.gmail.com>
References: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>
	<57d710000511291212h1b2febbds52745eb815778c53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <438CBA0D.3090202@penguinnetwerx.net>

pete wright wrote:
> On 11/29/05, Kevin Reiter <tux at penguinnetwerx.net> wrote:
> 
>>Hey all,
>>
>>Another build problem, this time with Thunderbird:
>>
>>===>   thunderbird-1.0.7_1 depends on shared library: gtk-x11-2.0.600 - not found
>>===>    Verifying install for gtk-x11-2.0.600 in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20
>>===>  gtk-2.8.8 is marked as broken: Unknown component ltverhack.
>>*** Error code 1
>>
>>Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20.
>>*** Error code 1
>>
>>Stop in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird.
>>*** Error code 1
>>
>>Stop in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird.
>>
>>I'm seeing the same thing for bild build fails: "Unknown component ltverhack"
>>
>>Googling for this only returned a bunch of pages on freshports.org
>>
>>Note that I _do_not_ have Gnome installed (and won't if I can avoid it)...
>>
>>Kev
> 
> 
> Yea, it looks like there is something broken in gtk that the ports
> team does not want to install.  couple things you can try:
> 
> 1) install a thunderbird binary from pkg's
> 2) cvsup your ports tree and install the offending gtk20 toolkits by
> hand before doing the thunderbird install.
> 
> I think there is a way to you can force the port to duild, but i would
> not go that route as I'm sure it's flagged as broken for a good reason
> ;)

I'll let the cvsup finish and then try both ports again (OOo and Thunderbird) and 
see what happens.  I'll probably give the package route a shot and see what happens..



From okan  Tue Nov 29 15:33:10 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:33:10 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
In-Reply-To: <438CBA0D.3090202@penguinnetwerx.net>
References: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>
	<57d710000511291212h1b2febbds52745eb815778c53@mail.gmail.com>
	<438CBA0D.3090202@penguinnetwerx.net>
Message-ID: <20051129203310.GA50519@yinaska.pair.com>

can i ask a general question:

what is freebsd's recommended method of installing applications in the
ports tree? via source (ports/ infrastructure) or binary packages
(.tgz)?



From scottro  Tue Nov 29 15:51:00 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:51:00 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenOffice 2.0 on FreeBSD 6.0 Build Failure (gconf2)
In-Reply-To: <438CB252.7040103@penguinnetwerx.net>
References: <438CB252.7040103@penguinnetwerx.net>
Message-ID: <20051129205100.GA57230@uws1.starlofashions.com>

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 02:56:02PM -0500, Kevin Reiter wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> I'm attempting to install OpenOffice.org 2.0 in FreeBSD 6.0.  I didn't have any 
> problems until after getting Java installed, when it moved onto gconf2:
> 
> ===>   openoffice.org-2.0.0_1 depends on shared library: gconf-2.5 - not found
> ===>    Verifying install for gconf-2.5 in /usr/ports/devel/gconf2
> ===>  gconf2-2.12.1 is marked as broken: Unknown component ltverhack.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gconf2.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> I ran a cvsup last night, so the ports tree is recent as of then.
> 
> Does anyone know a workaround/fix/suggestion for this?  I have portaudit 
> installed, which is what I'm guessing is stopping the build, although I could 
> be wrong.  Is there a way to bypass the check for this if that's the case?

The way to ignore a check is make -DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES install
clean

However, usually, if it's a security issue, it will say so.  There is a
way to ignore a port being marked as broken too, you can try with
- -DTRYBROKEN, that is, make -DTRYBROKEN install clean. 

(Both of these tags can be found in /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk)


- -- 

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From tux  Tue Nov 29 16:02:46 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:02:46 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenOffice 2.0 on FreeBSD 6.0 Build Failure (gconf2)
In-Reply-To: <20051129205100.GA57230@uws1.starlofashions.com>
References: <438CB252.7040103@penguinnetwerx.net>
	<20051129205100.GA57230@uws1.starlofashions.com>
Message-ID: <438CC1F6.4060305@penguinnetwerx.net>

Scott Robbins wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 02:56:02PM -0500, Kevin Reiter wrote:
> 
>>Hey all,
>>
>>I'm attempting to install OpenOffice.org 2.0 in FreeBSD 6.0.  I didn't have any 
>>problems until after getting Java installed, when it moved onto gconf2:
>>
>>===>   openoffice.org-2.0.0_1 depends on shared library: gconf-2.5 - not found
>>===>    Verifying install for gconf-2.5 in /usr/ports/devel/gconf2
>>===>  gconf2-2.12.1 is marked as broken: Unknown component ltverhack.
>>*** Error code 1
>>
>>Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gconf2.
>>*** Error code 1
>>
>>I ran a cvsup last night, so the ports tree is recent as of then.
>>
>>Does anyone know a workaround/fix/suggestion for this?  I have portaudit 
>>installed, which is what I'm guessing is stopping the build, although I could 
>>be wrong.  Is there a way to bypass the check for this if that's the case?
> 
> 
> The way to ignore a check is make -DDISABLE_VULNERABILITIES install
> clean
> 
> However, usually, if it's a security issue, it will say so.  There is a
> way to ignore a port being marked as broken too, you can try with
> - -DTRYBROKEN, that is, make -DTRYBROKEN install clean. 
> 
> (Both of these tags can be found in /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk)

Thanks for the info!


-- 
It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything 
runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?




From george  Tue Nov 29 16:05:10 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:05:10 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
In-Reply-To: <20051129203310.GA50519@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>	<57d710000511291212h1b2febbds52745eb815778c53@mail.gmail.com>	<438CBA0D.3090202@penguinnetwerx.net>
	<20051129203310.GA50519@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <438CC286.5010805@sddi.net>

Okan Demirmen wrote:
> can i ask a general question:
> 
> what is freebsd's recommended method of installing applications in the
> ports tree? via source (ports/ infrastructure) or binary packages
> (.tgz)?

I have only seen OBSD's Theo say users should use binary packages, but I 
always assumed that this applied to all projects.

Ports are great for changing config and install options, pkgs are what 
you're meant to use by default.

 From that my attitude is use pkgs unless you have to use ports.  You'd 
agree, Okan?

g



From tux  Tue Nov 29 16:07:12 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:07:12 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
In-Reply-To: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>
References: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>
Message-ID: <438CC300.2080809@penguinnetwerx.net>

Kevin Reiter wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> Another build problem, this time with Thunderbird:
> 
> ===>   thunderbird-1.0.7_1 depends on shared library: gtk-x11-2.0.600 - 
> not found
> ===>    Verifying install for gtk-x11-2.0.600 in 
> /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20
> ===>  gtk-2.8.8 is marked as broken: Unknown component ltverhack.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird.
> 
> I'm seeing the same thing for bild build fails: "Unknown component 
> ltverhack"
> 
> Googling for this only returned a bunch of pages on freshports.org
> 
> Note that I _do_not_ have Gnome installed (and won't if I can avoid it)...

Looks like the cvsup I just ran using ports-all did the trick.  Thunderbird hasn't 
puked yet (although I had to "make deinstall | make reinstall" a few ports to get 
the updated versions) but sofar it's passed the point of previous failure.

Looks like I'll be editing my supfile tonight to see what's been added since 5.x, 
since that's what seems to have caused the problem.

-- 
It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything 
runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?




From george  Tue Nov 29 16:09:38 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:09:38 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
In-Reply-To: <438CC300.2080809@penguinnetwerx.net>
References: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>
	<438CC300.2080809@penguinnetwerx.net>
Message-ID: <438CC392.2030900@sddi.net>

Kevin Reiter wrote:
> Kevin Reiter wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Another build problem, this time with Thunderbird:
>>
>> ===>   thunderbird-1.0.7_1 depends on shared library: gtk-x11-2.0.600 
>> - not found
>> ===>    Verifying install for gtk-x11-2.0.600 in 
>> /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20
>> ===>  gtk-2.8.8 is marked as broken: Unknown component ltverhack.
>> *** Error code 1
>>
>> Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20.
>> *** Error code 1
>>
>> Stop in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird.
>> *** Error code 1
>>
>> Stop in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird.
>>
>> I'm seeing the same thing for bild build fails: "Unknown component 
>> ltverhack"
>>
>> Googling for this only returned a bunch of pages on freshports.org
>>
>> Note that I _do_not_ have Gnome installed (and won't if I can avoid 
>> it)...
> 
> 
> Looks like the cvsup I just ran using ports-all did the trick.  
> Thunderbird hasn't puked yet (although I had to "make deinstall | make 
> reinstall" a few ports to get the updated versions) but sofar it's 
> passed the point of previous failure.
> 
> Looks like I'll be editing my supfile tonight to see what's been added 
> since 5.x, since that's what seems to have caused the problem.
> 

Yes. . . net-im is a new one. . .

there's really no reason for not having ports-all in your cvsup file.  I 
mean, we're talking how many meg for /polish /portuguese, etc?

g



From okan  Tue Nov 29 16:10:09 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:10:09 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
In-Reply-To: <438CC286.5010805@sddi.net>
References: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>
	<57d710000511291212h1b2febbds52745eb815778c53@mail.gmail.com>
	<438CBA0D.3090202@penguinnetwerx.net>
	<20051129203310.GA50519@yinaska.pair.com>
	<438CC286.5010805@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20051129211009.GA57975@yinaska.pair.com>

On Tue 2005.11.29 at 16:05 -0500, George Rosamond wrote:
> Okan Demirmen wrote:
> >can i ask a general question:
> >
> >what is freebsd's recommended method of installing applications in the
> >ports tree? via source (ports/ infrastructure) or binary packages
> >(.tgz)?
> 
> I have only seen OBSD's Theo say users should use binary packages, but I 
> always assumed that this applied to all projects.

yes. i believe the whole openbsd community recommends packages over ports.

> Ports are great for changing config and install options, pkgs are what 
> you're meant to use by default.

true or possibly if those config changes are widespread enough, flavors
and subpackages can be generated.

> From that my attitude is use pkgs unless you have to use ports.  You'd 
> agree, Okan?

completely. i opt for packages everytime (as well as binary snapshots or
whatever).

okan



From tux  Tue Nov 29 16:13:20 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:13:20 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
In-Reply-To: <438CC286.5010805@sddi.net>
References: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>	<57d710000511291212h1b2febbds52745eb815778c53@mail.gmail.com>	<438CBA0D.3090202@penguinnetwerx.net>	<20051129203310.GA50519@yinaska.pair.com>
	<438CC286.5010805@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <438CC470.1060201@penguinnetwerx.net>

George R. wrote:
> Okan Demirmen wrote:
> 
>> can i ask a general question:
>>
>> what is freebsd's recommended method of installing applications in the
>> ports tree? via source (ports/ infrastructure) or binary packages
>> (.tgz)?
> 
> 
> I have only seen OBSD's Theo say users should use binary packages, but I 
> always assumed that this applied to all projects.
> 
> Ports are great for changing config and install options, pkgs are what 
> you're meant to use by default.
> 
>  From that my attitude is use pkgs unless you have to use ports.  You'd 
> agree, Okan?

I typically use ports, since it compiles the code for whatever machine I happen to 
be running at the time, and can specify additional options that weren't used to 
build the packages.  I remember reading that in the handbook a few times, and 
coming from a Linux background where I always compiled source whenever I installed 
something (Slackware), it just seemed like the way to go.

I also remember reading a number of articles that I can't put my finger on atm 
that discussed the differences in using both, but I can't recall of ever hearing 
an actual "right way" to install apps (ports vs. packages).

Then again, I don't make any claims on my superior *BSD knowledge, so I could also 
be an ignorant n00b on this subject, too :)

Kev


-- 
It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything 
runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?




From tux  Tue Nov 29 16:20:24 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:20:24 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
In-Reply-To: <438CC392.2030900@sddi.net>
References: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>
	<438CC300.2080809@penguinnetwerx.net> <438CC392.2030900@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <438CC618.9080004@penguinnetwerx.net>

George R. wrote:
> Kevin Reiter wrote:
> 
>> Kevin Reiter wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> Another build problem, this time with Thunderbird:
>>>
>>> ===>   thunderbird-1.0.7_1 depends on shared library: gtk-x11-2.0.600 
>>> - not found
>>> ===>    Verifying install for gtk-x11-2.0.600 in 
>>> /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20
>>> ===>  gtk-2.8.8 is marked as broken: Unknown component ltverhack.
>>> *** Error code 1
>>>
>>> Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20.
>>> *** Error code 1
>>>
>>> Stop in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird.
>>> *** Error code 1
>>>
>>> Stop in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird.
>>>
>>> I'm seeing the same thing for bild build fails: "Unknown component 
>>> ltverhack"
>>>
>>> Googling for this only returned a bunch of pages on freshports.org
>>>
>>> Note that I _do_not_ have Gnome installed (and won't if I can avoid 
>>> it)...
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks like the cvsup I just ran using ports-all did the trick.  
>> Thunderbird hasn't puked yet (although I had to "make deinstall | make 
>> reinstall" a few ports to get the updated versions) but sofar it's 
>> passed the point of previous failure.
>>
>> Looks like I'll be editing my supfile tonight to see what's been added 
>> since 5.x, since that's what seems to have caused the problem.
>>
> 
> Yes. . . net-im is a new one. . .
> 
> there's really no reason for not having ports-all in your cvsup file.  I 
> mean, we're talking how many meg for /polish /portuguese, etc?

I switched from using ports-all to weeding out the port trees I don't use back 
when I was on dialup (not that long ago, actually) and just never switched back. 
Since I'm on cable, I won't be so stingy anymore :)


-- 
It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything 
runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?




From nomadlogic  Tue Nov 29 16:26:48 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:26:48 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
In-Reply-To: <438CC618.9080004@penguinnetwerx.net>
References: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>
	<438CC300.2080809@penguinnetwerx.net> <438CC392.2030900@sddi.net>
	<438CC618.9080004@penguinnetwerx.net>
Message-ID: <57d710000511291326h54ffb3a6vbf341fe78de5a757@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/29/05, Kevin Reiter <tux at penguinnetwerx.net> wrote:
> George R. wrote:
> > Kevin Reiter wrote:
> >
> >> Kevin Reiter wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey all,
> >>>
> >>> Another build problem, this time with Thunderbird:
> >>>
> >>> ===>   thunderbird-1.0.7_1 depends on shared library: gtk-x11-2.0.600
> >>> - not found
> >>> ===>    Verifying install for gtk-x11-2.0.600 in
> >>> /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20
> >>> ===>  gtk-2.8.8 is marked as broken: Unknown component ltverhack.
> >>> *** Error code 1
> >>>
> >>> Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/gtk20.
> >>> *** Error code 1
> >>>
> >>> Stop in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird.
> >>> *** Error code 1
> >>>
> >>> Stop in /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird.
> >>>
> >>> I'm seeing the same thing for bild build fails: "Unknown component
> >>> ltverhack"
> >>>
> >>> Googling for this only returned a bunch of pages on freshports.org
> >>>
> >>> Note that I _do_not_ have Gnome installed (and won't if I can avoid
> >>> it)...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Looks like the cvsup I just ran using ports-all did the trick.
> >> Thunderbird hasn't puked yet (although I had to "make deinstall | make
> >> reinstall" a few ports to get the updated versions) but sofar it's
> >> passed the point of previous failure.
> >>
> >> Looks like I'll be editing my supfile tonight to see what's been added
> >> since 5.x, since that's what seems to have caused the problem.
> >>
> >
> > Yes. . . net-im is a new one. . .
> >
> > there's really no reason for not having ports-all in your cvsup file.  I
> > mean, we're talking how many meg for /polish /portuguese, etc?
>
> I switched from using ports-all to weeding out the port trees I don't use back
> when I was on dialup (not that long ago, actually) and just never switched back.
> Since I'm on cable, I won't be so stingy anymore :)
>
>

of course, if we all used pkgsrc we could build our own packages from
source keep them in a local repo...come to think of it openbsd's ports
do this as well by default.  ok i'll take my fire proof suit off now
:)

/me tries to remember if there is a way to do this easilly w/ free's
port's collection

-p

--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org
NYC's *BSD User Group



From okan  Tue Nov 29 16:35:58 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:35:58 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
In-Reply-To: <57d710000511291326h54ffb3a6vbf341fe78de5a757@mail.gmail.com>
References: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>
	<438CC300.2080809@penguinnetwerx.net> <438CC392.2030900@sddi.net>
	<438CC618.9080004@penguinnetwerx.net>
	<57d710000511291326h54ffb3a6vbf341fe78de5a757@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051129213557.GB62107@yinaska.pair.com>

On Tue 2005.11.29 at 13:26 -0800, pete wright wrote:
> of course, if we all used pkgsrc we could build our own packages from
> source keep them in a local repo...come to think of it openbsd's ports
> do this as well by default.  ok i'll take my fire proof suit off now
> :)

heh - yea, openbsd also has PKG_CACHE where if you provide a path, it
will drop the binary packages from that remote install path in there and
then install from PKG_CACHE...best of both worlds.

> /me tries to remember if there is a way to do this easilly w/ free's
> port's collection

i'm sure its got something similar to:
${PKGREPOSITORY} - ${PORTSDIR}/packages/${MACHINE_ARCH}/all
${CDROM_PACKAGES} - ${PORTSDIR}/packages/${MACHINE_ARCH}/cdrom
${FTP_PACKAGES} - ${PORTSDIR}/packages/${MACHINE_ARCH}/ftp

i'd be surprised otherwise.



From scottro  Tue Nov 29 16:40:32 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:40:32 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
In-Reply-To: <438CC392.2030900@sddi.net>
References: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>
	<438CC300.2080809@penguinnetwerx.net> <438CC392.2030900@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20051129214032.GB57461@uws1.starlofashions.com>

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 04:09:38PM -0500, George R. wrote:
> Kevin Reiter wrote:
> >Kevin Reiter wrote:
> >>Hey all,
> >>
> 
> there's really no reason for not having ports-all in your cvsup file.  I mean, 
> we're talking how many meg for /polish /portuguese, etc?


I agree with the concept but not the practice anymore.  :)

That is, I agree, I don't use refuse files anymore, because they'll mess
up a portupgrade of something or another.  However, these days, I just
use portsnap.   I've found it to be much quicker.  Well, ok, not MUCH
quicker, but quicker.



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From dlavigne6  Tue Nov 29 18:08:16 2005
From: dlavigne6 (Dru)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:08:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
In-Reply-To: <20051129214032.GB57461@uws1.starlofashions.com>
References: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>
	<438CC300.2080809@penguinnetwerx.net> <438CC392.2030900@sddi.net>
	<20051129214032.GB57461@uws1.starlofashions.com>
Message-ID: <20051129175806.K571@dru.domain.org>



On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Scott Robbins wrote:

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>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 04:09:38PM -0500, George R. wrote:
>> Kevin Reiter wrote:
>>> Kevin Reiter wrote:
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>
>> there's really no reason for not having ports-all in your cvsup file.  I mean,
>> we're talking how many meg for /polish /portuguese, etc?
>
>
> I agree with the concept but not the practice anymore.  :)
>
> That is, I agree, I don't use refuse files anymore, because they'll mess
> up a portupgrade of something or another.  However, these days, I just
> use portsnap.   I've found it to be much quicker.  Well, ok, not MUCH
> quicker, but quicker.


Just to throw my 2 cents in, I started using porteasy on my servers in 
2004 and liked it so much I switched all my desktops over from full ports 
tree to bare bones minimal. And I'm a cvsup/portupgrade junkie who 
needs her daily fix :-)

As for packages/ports? My routine is this:

porteasy -u some/path
grep WITH some/path/Makefile

If there aren't any WITH | WITHOUTs that I feel compelled to compile in, 
"pkg_add -r" it is.

I just noticed a new port which looks interesting enough to put on my 
"gotta try this if I ever get a spare moment" list:

sysutils/pkg-orphan

Cheers,

Dru



From tux  Tue Nov 29 21:04:03 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:04:03 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Another bild problem (Thunderbird 1.0.7)
In-Reply-To: <20051129175806.K571@dru.domain.org>
References: <438CB4CA.4020105@penguinnetwerx.net>	<438CC300.2080809@penguinnetwerx.net>
	<438CC392.2030900@sddi.net>	<20051129214032.GB57461@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<20051129175806.K571@dru.domain.org>
Message-ID: <438D0893.2050604@penguinnetwerx.net>

Since I posted the original problem, I ran cvsup using "ports-all" in my supfile, 
and it worked flawlessly.  I'd be mailing from it now, but I haven't had a chance 
to configure it yet :)

-- 
It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything 
runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?




From tux  Tue Nov 29 21:57:57 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:57:57 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenOffice 2.0 on FreeBSD 6.0 Build Failure (gconf2)
	- UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <438CC1F6.4060305@penguinnetwerx.net>
References: <438CB252.7040103@penguinnetwerx.net>	<20051129205100.GA57230@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<438CC1F6.4060305@penguinnetwerx.net>
Message-ID: <438D1535.8040305@penguinnetwerx.net>

Since using ports-all on my cvsup, OpenOffice-2.0 has been compiling/building ever 
since without a hitch (for over 6+ hours now.)  It might even finish before I wake 
up tomorrow...

Lesson learned:  don't bother trying to save a few MB of disk space by pruning the 
ports updates - stick with ports-all .

-- 
It said "use Linux 2.4 kernel or better" so I installed FreeBSD.  Now everything 
runs better.  Why didn't they just tell me to do that to begin with?




From anthony.elizondo  Wed Nov 30 13:49:01 2005
From: anthony.elizondo (Anthony Elizondo)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:49:01 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Oracle 10g on FreeBSD 6.0
Message-ID: <a49e62c80511301049w351d3c12jb9205d60c2992c13@mail.gmail.com>

I don't believe there is a good how-to for installing Oracle 10g on
FreeBSD 6.0. I will venture to make one.

I am using http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200402/oracle.html as a base of
knowledge. I'm using the standard edition of Oracle 10g, version
10.2.0.1.0 from
http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/oracle10g/index.html.

First problem is that the installer checks to see if it is running
under a supported operating system. When running it with no 'hacks' I
get:

--- BEGIN
Checking installer requirements...

Checking operating system version: must be redhat-3, SuSE-9, redhat-4,
UnitedLinux-1.0, asianux-1 or asianux-2

Failed <<<<
--- END

Any ideas? None of the steps in Ledbetter's article seem to cover the OS faking.



From okan  Wed Nov 30 13:56:57 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:56:57 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Oracle 10g on FreeBSD 6.0
In-Reply-To: <a49e62c80511301049w351d3c12jb9205d60c2992c13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a49e62c80511301049w351d3c12jb9205d60c2992c13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051130185657.GD63532@yinaska.pair.com>

On Wed 2005.11.30 at 13:49 -0500, Anthony Elizondo wrote:
> I don't believe there is a good how-to for installing Oracle 10g on
> FreeBSD 6.0. I will venture to make one.

if this exercise is for educational purposes, go for it. however, for
anything that you ever so slightly care about, i would advise against
oracle+freebsd, or heck oracle+linux on most days.



From steve.rieger  Wed Nov 30 14:36:10 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:36:10 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Oracle 10g on FreeBSD 6.0
In-Reply-To: <20051130185657.GD63532@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <a49e62c80511301049w351d3c12jb9205d60c2992c13@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051130185657.GD63532@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <64C4B21A-98E9-47B7-A017-644AE31FA16F@tbwachiat.com>


On Nov 30, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Okan Demirmen wrote:

> On Wed 2005.11.30 at 13:49 -0500, Anthony Elizondo wrote:
>> I don't believe there is a good how-to for installing Oracle 10g on
>> FreeBSD 6.0. I will venture to make one.
>
> if this exercise is for educational purposes, go for it. however, for
> anything that you ever so slightly care about, i would advise against
> oracle+freebsd, or heck oracle+linux on most days.


you need to install linux compat,

i once did it on oracle 9, and never again












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};



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man who had no feet.

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From anthony.elizondo  Wed Nov 30 15:18:36 2005
From: anthony.elizondo (Anthony Elizondo)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:18:36 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Oracle 10g on FreeBSD 6.0
In-Reply-To: <64C4B21A-98E9-47B7-A017-644AE31FA16F@tbwachiat.com>
References: <a49e62c80511301049w351d3c12jb9205d60c2992c13@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051130185657.GD63532@yinaska.pair.com>
	<64C4B21A-98E9-47B7-A017-644AE31FA16F@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <a49e62c80511301218t7536c45ag43c0f57b2835a487@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/30/05, Steve Rieger <steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com> wrote:
>
> you need to install linux compat,
>
> i once did it on oracle 9, and never again

Does "linux compat" mean linux_base?

I forgot to mention: From ports I installed java/linux-sun-jdk15,
devel/linux_devtools-8, and emulators/linux_base-8, which gave me the
full complement of stuff in /compat/linux/



From mspitzer  Wed Nov 30 15:24:21 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:24:21 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Oracle 10g on FreeBSD 6.0
In-Reply-To: <20051130185657.GD63532@yinaska.pair.com>
References: <a49e62c80511301049w351d3c12jb9205d60c2992c13@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051130185657.GD63532@yinaska.pair.com>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30511301224m819f42bnc6abac063ac806e7@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/30/05, Okan Demirmen <okan at demirmen.com> wrote:
> On Wed 2005.11.30 at 13:49 -0500, Anthony Elizondo wrote:
> > I don't believe there is a good how-to for installing Oracle 10g on
> > FreeBSD 6.0. I will venture to make one.
>
> if this exercise is for educational purposes, go for it. however, for
> anything that you ever so slightly care about, i would advise against
> oracle+freebsd, or heck oracle+linux on most days.

seconded.  use postgres it rocks.  Now if you must use oracle,
whatever version, for real work put it on a supported platform period.
 Since you are paying the licence/support fees you might as well be
able to use them.

The absolutly last thing you want to hear from oracle is "we do not
support that configuration."  when you need support.

marc

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we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From steve.rieger  Wed Nov 30 16:19:02 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:19:02 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] mail system with calendaring
Message-ID: <D4C12995-2A72-47AB-8FAD-CED5AC7E324E@tbwachiat.com>

http://sourceforge.net/projects/zimbra

Zimbra is an open source server and client technology for next- 
generation enterprise messaging and collaboration. Zimbra delivers  
innovation for both the administrator and the end-user as well as  
compatibility with exising infrastructure and applications






Steve Rieger
Cell      646-335-8915
Office   212 804 1131
Fax       212 804 1200
AIM      chozrim
Yahoo riegersteve

if ((light eq dark) && (dark eq light)
    && ($blaze_of_night{moon} == black_hole)
    && ($ravens_wing{bright} == $tin{bright})){
  my $love = $you = $sin{darkness} + 1;
};





From mspitzer  Wed Nov 30 18:21:25 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:21:25 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] mail system with calendaring
In-Reply-To: <D4C12995-2A72-47AB-8FAD-CED5AC7E324E@tbwachiat.com>
References: <D4C12995-2A72-47AB-8FAD-CED5AC7E324E@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30511301521t3b6eb3a0sef28943c0c4bebd2@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/30/05, Steve Rieger <steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com> wrote:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/zimbra
>
> Zimbra is an open source server and client technology for next-
> generation enterprise messaging and collaboration. Zimbra delivers
> innovation for both the administrator and the end-user as well as
> compatibility with exising infrastructure and applications

Well at least they have a sence of humor, call themselves os
independant and then declare that "unix shell" is a requirement.  On
the plus side they do seem to be honest enough to call Java an
interpeted language, I wonder if it is intentional.

marc

>
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve Rieger
> Cell      646-335-8915
> Office   212 804 1131
> Fax       212 804 1200
> AIM      chozrim
> Yahoo riegersteve
>
> if ((light eq dark) && (dark eq light)
>     && ($blaze_of_night{moon} == black_hole)
>     && ($ravens_wing{bright} == $tin{bright})){
>   my $love = $you = $sin{darkness} + 1;
> };
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>


--
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From nomadlogic  Wed Nov 30 19:01:53 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:01:53 -0800
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Oracle 10g on FreeBSD 6.0
In-Reply-To: <a49e62c80511301218t7536c45ag43c0f57b2835a487@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a49e62c80511301049w351d3c12jb9205d60c2992c13@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051130185657.GD63532@yinaska.pair.com>
	<64C4B21A-98E9-47B7-A017-644AE31FA16F@tbwachiat.com>
	<a49e62c80511301218t7536c45ag43c0f57b2835a487@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57d710000511301601v1e82291o3efb55bd0cc3715e@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/30/05, Anthony Elizondo <anthony.elizondo at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/30/05, Steve Rieger <steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com> wrote:
> >
> > you need to install linux compat,
> >
> > i once did it on oracle 9, and never again
>
> Does "linux compat" mean linux_base?
>
> I forgot to mention: From ports I installed java/linux-sun-jdk15,
> devel/linux_devtools-8, and emulators/linux_base-8, which gave me the
> full complement of stuff in /compat/linux/

if you have the linux.ko loaded you should be all set.  i'd check to
make sure you have linprocfs loaded as well, as i believe the oracle
installer utilizies it.

and yea, oracle+linux=no fun okan :)



-p

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