From nomadlogic  Thu Sep  1 00:01:24 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:01:24 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] openbsd in kernel pppoe stability
In-Reply-To: <20050901031227.GY28132@loftmail.com>
References: <57d7100005083118515dece433@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050901031227.GY28132@loftmail.com>
Message-ID: <57d710000508312101701a9870@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/31/05, bruno <bruno at loftmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 06:51:07PM -0700, pete wright wrote:
> > hey all,
> > i've been running my soekris box with openbsd to connect to my dsl 
> router
> > (which is in bridged mode) for my main 'net connect. i've been having
> > *serious* connectivity problems, so bad in fact I've got a cron running
> > every five min's to check my pppoe interface. if it's down it bring's it
> > back up (does the whole ppp authentication dance). yuck! i was assuming 
> that
> > in kernel pppoe would be better than using a userland implementation. 
> i'm
> > hoping that i'm still correct, my first assumption is that covad sucks 
> and
> > so does my dsl router. but before i waste a night on the phone with 
> covad,
> > has anyone had any stability issues with 3.7 and in kernel pppoe setups? 
> i'm
> > using a real vanilia setup...pretty much strait from the man page. 
> nothing
> > crazy going on in pf land either...some filtering and redirection.....
> 
> Check the misc list, there is a lot of posts about same / similar
> subject, you might find something that you can use there. I've only
> done userland ppp, a while ago, probably before they put pppd into
> kernel, maybe try that one. Unless your email means you already went
> from userland to kernel, in hope it would work better. :) At that
> point, it might indeed be something else, like a crapy dsl bridge.
> Have you tried sniffing the local net, might give some insight.



cool thanks, i'll check the misc archives now.

i tried out userland ppp for a bit when starting things up, i vaugely 
remember an issue that made me switch to in kernel pppoe ;) so yea, i guess 
i try out the userland method...

-p

-- 
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
NYC's *BSD User Group
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From bschonhorst  Thu Sep  1 09:51:55 2005
From: bschonhorst (Brad Schonhorst)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:51:55 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] openbsd in kernel pppoe stability
In-Reply-To: <57d7100005083118515dece433@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57d7100005083118515dece433@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A9DBB498-056B-4F40-B6D3-C8856CC85DDF@vcsnyc.org>


On Aug 31, 2005, at 9:51 PM, pete wright wrote:

> hey all,
>     i've been running my soekris box with openbsd to connect to my  
> dsl router (which is in bridged mode) for my main 'net connect.   
> i've been having *serious* connectivity problems, so bad in fact  
> I've got a cron running every five min's to check my pppoe  
> interface.  if it's down it bring's it back up (does the whole ppp  
> authentication dance).  yuck!  i was assuming that in kernel pppoe  
> would be better than using a userland implementation.  i'm hoping  
> that i'm still correct, my first assumption is that covad sucks and  
> so does my dsl router.  but before i waste a night on the phone  
> with covad, has anyone had any stability issues with 3.7 and in  
> kernel pppoe setups?  i'm using a real vanilia setup...pretty much  
> strait from the man page.  nothing crazy going on in pf land  
> either...some filtering and redirection.....
>
> thx
> -p
>

Hmmm.... I've been using a userland ppp setup (also on a soekris box  
openbsd 3.5) for quite some time now and not had any issues...



From nomadlogic  Thu Sep  1 11:04:27 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:04:27 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] openbsd in kernel pppoe stability
In-Reply-To: <A9DBB498-056B-4F40-B6D3-C8856CC85DDF@vcsnyc.org>
References: <57d7100005083118515dece433@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9DBB498-056B-4F40-B6D3-C8856CC85DDF@vcsnyc.org>
Message-ID: <57d710000509010804428f87fd@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/1/05, Brad Schonhorst <bschonhorst at vcsnyc.org> wrote:
> 
> On Aug 31, 2005, at 9:51 PM, pete wright wrote:
> 
> > hey all,
> >     i've been running my soekris box with openbsd to connect to my
> > dsl router (which is in bridged mode) for my main 'net connect.
> > i've been having *serious* connectivity problems, so bad in fact
> > I've got a cron running every five min's to check my pppoe
> > interface.  if it's down it bring's it back up (does the whole ppp
> > authentication dance).  yuck!  i was assuming that in kernel pppoe
> > would be better than using a userland implementation.  i'm hoping
> > that i'm still correct, my first assumption is that covad sucks and
> > so does my dsl router.  but before i waste a night on the phone
> > with covad, has anyone had any stability issues with 3.7 and in
> > kernel pppoe setups?  i'm using a real vanilia setup...pretty much
> > strait from the man page.  nothing crazy going on in pf land
> > either...some filtering and redirection.....
> >
> > thx
> > -p
> >
> 
> Hmmm.... I've been using a userland ppp setup (also on a soekris box
> openbsd 3.5) for quite some time now and not had any issues...
> 


cool, so I'll roll back to that in a bit and see how we do.  

I did some digging in the archives and sure enough there is a recent
patch to -CURRENT addressing the same problem I'm seeing.  Sadly, it
does not look like it's been backported to 3.7.

-p


-- 
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org
NYC's *BSD User Group



From bschonhorst  Thu Sep  1 11:58:54 2005
From: bschonhorst (Brad Schonhorst)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 11:58:54 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] openbsd in kernel pppoe stability
In-Reply-To: <57d710000509010804428f87fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57d7100005083118515dece433@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9DBB498-056B-4F40-B6D3-C8856CC85DDF@vcsnyc.org>
	<57d710000509010804428f87fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8B614F1E-049F-4CEC-A0FB-660EFE4D3648@vcsnyc.org>


On Sep 1, 2005, at 11:04 AM, pete wright wrote:

> On 9/1/05, Brad Schonhorst <bschonhorst at vcsnyc.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2005, at 9:51 PM, pete wright wrote:
>>
>>
>>> hey all,
>>>     i've been running my soekris box with openbsd to connect to my
>>> dsl router (which is in bridged mode) for my main 'net connect.
>>> i've been having *serious* connectivity problems, so bad in fact
>>> I've got a cron running every five min's to check my pppoe
>>> interface.  if it's down it bring's it back up (does the whole ppp
>>> authentication dance).  yuck!  i was assuming that in kernel pppoe
>>> would be better than using a userland implementation.  i'm hoping
>>> that i'm still correct, my first assumption is that covad sucks and
>>> so does my dsl router.  but before i waste a night on the phone
>>> with covad, has anyone had any stability issues with 3.7 and in
>>> kernel pppoe setups?  i'm using a real vanilia setup...pretty much
>>> strait from the man page.  nothing crazy going on in pf land
>>> either...some filtering and redirection.....
>>>
>>> thx
>>> -p
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hmmm.... I've been using a userland ppp setup (also on a soekris box
>> openbsd 3.5) for quite some time now and not had any issues...
>>
>>
>
>
> cool, so I'll roll back to that in a bit and see how we do.
>
> I did some digging in the archives and sure enough there is a recent
> patch to -CURRENT addressing the same problem I'm seeing.  Sadly, it
> does not look like it's been backported to 3.7.

Just to verify, were your troubles with the userland implementation  
or in kernel?  I'm just curious for when I get around to upgrading.

-b
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From nomadlogic  Thu Sep  1 12:48:28 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:48:28 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] openbsd in kernel pppoe stability
In-Reply-To: <8B614F1E-049F-4CEC-A0FB-660EFE4D3648@vcsnyc.org>
References: <57d7100005083118515dece433@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9DBB498-056B-4F40-B6D3-C8856CC85DDF@vcsnyc.org>
	<57d710000509010804428f87fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B614F1E-049F-4CEC-A0FB-660EFE4D3648@vcsnyc.org>
Message-ID: <57d71000050901094853bd6010@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/1/05, Brad Schonhorst <bschonhorst at vcsnyc.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sep 1, 2005, at 11:04 AM, pete wright wrote:
> 
> On 9/1/05, Brad Schonhorst <bschonhorst at vcsnyc.org> wrote: 
> 
> 
> On Aug 31, 2005, at 9:51 PM, pete wright wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> hey all,
>     i've been running my soekris box with openbsd to connect to my
> dsl router (which is in bridged mode) for my main 'net connect.
> i've been having *serious* connectivity problems, so bad in fact
> I've got a cron running every five min's to check my pppoe
> interface.  if it's down it bring's it back up (does the whole ppp
> authentication dance).  yuck!  i was assuming that in kernel pppoe
> would be better than using a userland implementation.  i'm hoping
> that i'm still correct, my first assumption is that covad sucks and
> so does my dsl router.  but before i waste a night on the phone
> with covad, has anyone had any stability issues with 3.7 and in
> kernel pppoe setups?  i'm using a real vanilia setup...pretty much
> strait from the man page.  nothing crazy going on in pf land
> either...some filtering and redirection.....
> 
> thx
> -p
> 
>  
> 
> Hmmm.... I've been using a userland ppp setup (also on a soekris box
> openbsd 3.5) for quite some time now and not had any issues...
> 
>  
> 
> 
> cool, so I'll roll back to that in a bit and see how we do.  
> 
> I did some digging in the archives and sure enough there is a recent
> patch to -CURRENT addressing the same problem I'm seeing.  Sadly, it
> does not look like it's been backported to 3.7.
> Just to verify, were your troubles with the userland implementation or in
> kernel?  I'm just curious for when I get around to upgrading.
> 
> -b 


my current issues are with 3.7 running pppoe in kernel.  It seems that
covad is doing something wonky and resetting my connection throughout
the day.  There is a patch in -CURRENT (soon to be 3.8) that addresses
this issue with the in-kernel pppoe implementation and seems to work
well from what i've heard.  I'm probably going to move to the userland
implementation tonight to see how it goes.

-pete 

-- 
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org
NYC's *BSD User Group



From paul  Thu Sep  1 14:25:19 2005
From: paul (Paul Dlug)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:25:19 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Sun Servers
Message-ID: <AF12AD24-4A48-4365-85B8-74F58EE8E25E@aps.org>

We have some sun servers that are up for grabs, all of them are  
located at our office in Ridge, NY (LIE exit 68), due to the size and  
lack of packing materials I am not willing to ship these anywhere,  
they must be picked up.

1 E450: 2x400mhz, 1gb memory, no disks
1 E450: 2x400mhz, 1gb memory, 4 disks (probably small 4gb-9gb disks)
2 E420R: 4x450mhz, 2gb memory, 2x18gb
1 E220R: 2x450mhz, 1gb memory, 2x18gb

Please let me know if you are interested.


--Paul



From mspitzer  Thu Sep  1 14:27:46 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:27:46 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Sun Servers
In-Reply-To: <AF12AD24-4A48-4365-85B8-74F58EE8E25E@aps.org>
References: <AF12AD24-4A48-4365-85B8-74F58EE8E25E@aps.org>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c305090111273553ea7d@mail.gmail.com>

I am interested in the 420's and/or the 220's

can I have them?

Thanks 

marc

On 9/1/05, Paul Dlug <paul at aps.org> wrote:
> We have some sun servers that are up for grabs, all of them are
> located at our office in Ridge, NY (LIE exit 68), due to the size and
> lack of packing materials I am not willing to ship these anywhere,
> they must be picked up.
> 
> 1 E450: 2x400mhz, 1gb memory, no disks
> 1 E450: 2x400mhz, 1gb memory, 4 disks (probably small 4gb-9gb disks)
> 2 E420R: 4x450mhz, 2gb memory, 2x18gb
> 1 E220R: 2x450mhz, 1gb memory, 2x18gb
> 
> Please let me know if you are interested.
> 
> 
> --Paul
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
> 


-- 
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From o_sleep  Thu Sep  1 16:15:51 2005
From: o_sleep (Bjorn Nelson)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 16:15:51 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Sun Servers
In-Reply-To: <AF12AD24-4A48-4365-85B8-74F58EE8E25E@aps.org>
References: <AF12AD24-4A48-4365-85B8-74F58EE8E25E@aps.org>
Message-ID: <66B20086-7DA1-43DF-BC59-C76BCE0AFCF7@belovedarctos.com>

Paul,

Can SculptureCenter have two of them for redundancy?  They can make  
it an official donation.

Thanks,
Bjorn Nelson

On Sep 1, 2005, at 2:25 PM, Paul Dlug wrote:

> We have some sun servers that are up for grabs, all of them are  
> located at our office in Ridge, NY (LIE exit 68), due to the size  
> and lack of packing materials I am not willing to ship these  
> anywhere, they must be picked up.
>
> 1 E450: 2x400mhz, 1gb memory, no disks
> 1 E450: 2x400mhz, 1gb memory, 4 disks (probably small 4gb-9gb disks)
> 2 E420R: 4x450mhz, 2gb memory, 2x18gb
> 1 E220R: 2x450mhz, 1gb memory, 2x18gb
>
> Please let me know if you are interested.
>
>
> --Paul
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>




From lists  Thu Sep  1 20:35:29 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:35:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <4EF32394-9A4A-4D05-9259-4ECE554A338B@ocsny.com>
References: <4EF32394-9A4A-4D05-9259-4ECE554A338B@ocsny.com>
Message-ID: <20050901203441.W85805@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Mikel King wrote:

> Anyone know of a good source for entry level (low 30s) PC Techs? Some one who 
> might be capable of learning MAC and BSD...?

Did you get any replies? Don't see any in the list.
What exactly are you trying to learn?
What do you mean by "a good source"? A good source for what?



From bruno  Thu Sep  1 23:17:24 2005
From: bruno (bruno)
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 23:17:24 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] openbsd in kernel pppoe stability
In-Reply-To: <57d71000050901094853bd6010@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57d7100005083118515dece433@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9DBB498-056B-4F40-B6D3-C8856CC85DDF@vcsnyc.org>
	<57d710000509010804428f87fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B614F1E-049F-4CEC-A0FB-660EFE4D3648@vcsnyc.org>
	<57d71000050901094853bd6010@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050902031724.GE28132@loftmail.com>

> my current issues are with 3.7 running pppoe in kernel.  It seems that
> covad is doing something wonky and resetting my connection throughout
> the day.  There is a patch in -CURRENT (soon to be 3.8) that addresses
> this issue with the in-kernel pppoe implementation and seems to work
> well from what i've heard.  I'm probably going to move to the userland
> implementation tonight to see how it goes.

If you were considering upgrading, 3.8 is past beta and very nice.




From tux  Fri Sep  2 01:17:22 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 01:17:22 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYCBSDCon status
In-Reply-To: <43162C0E.3020208@sddi.net>
References: <43162C0E.3020208@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <4317E062.40809@penguinnetwerx.net>

George R. wrote:
> Things are moving along for September 17th NYCBSDCon.
> 
> The speaker list has solidified, and it's a great line-up, particularly 
> for a hastily organized day conference.
> 
> Max and Nathan are taking care of a/v for the conference.  We have some 
> people trying to pull the technical press to the event, although that 
> usually doesn't happen first time 'round.
> 
> On the NYCBSDCon www site, there is a PDF for download so others can 
> spread the news.  These need to get into TekServe, Computer Book Works, 
> internet cafes, etc.  http://nycbsdcon.org/downloads/NYCBSDCon_flyer.pdf
> 
> Send out an email to your technical contacts and let them know.  Let's 
> not keep this a secret.
> 
> We'll be putting out another press release in the next week or so, but 
> everyone should remember that we will NOT have an Apple Store meeting 
> September on the first Wednesday of the month.

Not that I get tons of hits on my site (between 500 - 1500 per month), but 
I put the info up tonight with some links (map, URL, flyer).  I even made 
the title blink to get some attention..

It's not much, but, hey, it's sumpin'

*flames for me using blinking text will be eaten on toast with mustard*

-Kev



From paul  Fri Sep  2 08:17:17 2005
From: paul (Paul Dlug)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:17:17 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Sun Servers
In-Reply-To: <AF12AD24-4A48-4365-85B8-74F58EE8E25E@aps.org>
References: <AF12AD24-4A48-4365-85B8-74F58EE8E25E@aps.org>
Message-ID: <16FFED77-4358-473C-AE64-C65E2957E13B@aps.org>

To follow up on this, all the servers have been claimed.

--Paul


On Sep 1, 2005, at 2:25 PM, Paul Dlug wrote:

> We have some sun servers that are up for grabs, all of them are  
> located at our office in Ridge, NY (LIE exit 68), due to the size  
> and lack of packing materials I am not willing to ship these  
> anywhere, they must be picked up.
>
> 1 E450: 2x400mhz, 1gb memory, no disks
> 1 E450: 2x400mhz, 1gb memory, 4 disks (probably small 4gb-9gb disks)
> 2 E420R: 4x450mhz, 2gb memory, 2x18gb
> 1 E220R: 2x450mhz, 1gb memory, 2x18gb
>
> Please let me know if you are interested.
>
>
> --Paul
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>
>




From dan  Fri Sep  2 09:33:20 2005
From: dan (Dan Langille)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 09:33:20 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYCBSDCon - regrets
Message-ID: <43181C60.27382.2114489D@localhost>

Gidday,

Sorry folks, but I won't be at NYCBSDCon.  I want to go.

There's a social event here in Ottawa that weekend (which was 
originally scheduled for the 10th but has seen been moved to the 
17th) that if I missed, I would be in severe trouble which would 
haunt me for a very long time.

Take photos.  Record events.  I've listened to the recording of 
Kirk/Richard several times since that event (and I was there...).

cheers
-- 
Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/
BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/





From nomadlogic  Fri Sep  2 11:04:53 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:04:53 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] openbsd in kernel pppoe stability
In-Reply-To: <20050902031724.GE28132@loftmail.com>
References: <57d7100005083118515dece433@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9DBB498-056B-4F40-B6D3-C8856CC85DDF@vcsnyc.org>
	<57d710000509010804428f87fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B614F1E-049F-4CEC-A0FB-660EFE4D3648@vcsnyc.org>
	<57d71000050901094853bd6010@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050902031724.GE28132@loftmail.com>
Message-ID: <57d71000050902080455aad4aa@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/1/05, bruno <bruno at loftmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > my current issues are with 3.7 running pppoe in kernel. It seems that
> > covad is doing something wonky and resetting my connection throughout
> > the day. There is a patch in -CURRENT (soon to be 3.8) that addresses
> > this issue with the in-kernel pppoe implementation and seems to work
> > well from what i've heard. I'm probably going to move to the userland
> > implementation tonight to see how it goes.
> 
> If you were considering upgrading, 3.8 is past beta and very nice.



I was thinking about it, but since this is such a low powered device i will 
just wait for the official release rather than have to rebuild the source 
when things do go stable (and no I do not have another OpenBSD machine handy 
right now to build a work+kernel right now ;).
-pete



-- 
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
NYC's *BSD User Group
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From vertigo  Fri Sep  2 12:00:39 2005
From: vertigo (Vertigo)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 12:00:39 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYCBSDCon - regrets
In-Reply-To: <43181C60.27382.2114489D@localhost>
References: <43181C60.27382.2114489D@localhost>
Message-ID: <20050902160039.GB26059@abbott.setec.org>

On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 09:33:20AM -0400, Dan Langille wrote:
> Gidday,
> 
> Sorry folks, but I won't be at NYCBSDCon.  I want to go.
> 
> There's a social event here in Ottawa that weekend (which was 
> originally scheduled for the 10th but has seen been moved to the 
> 17th) that if I missed, I would be in severe trouble which would 
> haunt me for a very long time.
> 
> Take photos.  Record events.  I've listened to the recording of 
> Kirk/Richard several times since that event (and I was there...).


Dan,

We will be streaming it live, and we will also be recording it to 
minidv.  We have not decided what media to transfer it to, but
I'm sure it will be archived.  

Nathan


-- 
"In the outside world, all forms of intelligence, whether of sound or 
sight, have been reduced to the form of varying currents in an electric
circuit in order that they may be transmitted."

                                           --Vannevar Bush, 1945



From jvanasco  Fri Sep  2 15:59:42 2005
From: jvanasco (Jonathan Vanasco)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 15:59:42 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <20050901203441.W85805@zoraida.natserv.net>
References: <4EF32394-9A4A-4D05-9259-4ECE554A338B@ocsny.com>
	<20050901203441.W85805@zoraida.natserv.net>
Message-ID: <0cf6c7f92e86e863dd52b6bc233bf60c@mastersofbranding.com>


what about devry or one of those other vocational schools that 
advertise on tv?

On Sep 1, 2005, at 8:35 PM, Francisco Reyes wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Mikel King wrote:
>
>> Anyone know of a good source for entry level (low 30s) PC Techs? Some 
>> one who might be capable of learning MAC and BSD...?




From okan  Fri Sep  2 16:25:06 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:25:06 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] openbsd in kernel pppoe stability
In-Reply-To: <57d71000050902080455aad4aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57d7100005083118515dece433@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9DBB498-056B-4F40-B6D3-C8856CC85DDF@vcsnyc.org>
	<57d710000509010804428f87fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B614F1E-049F-4CEC-A0FB-660EFE4D3648@vcsnyc.org>
	<57d71000050901094853bd6010@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050902031724.GE28132@loftmail.com>
	<57d71000050902080455aad4aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050902202528.GA8830@nitrogen.khaoz.org>

On Fri 2005.09.02 at 08:04 -0700, pete wright wrote:
> On 9/1/05, bruno <bruno at loftmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > my current issues are with 3.7 running pppoe in kernel. It seems that
> > > covad is doing something wonky and resetting my connection throughout
> > > the day. There is a patch in -CURRENT (soon to be 3.8) that addresses
> > > this issue with the in-kernel pppoe implementation and seems to work
> > > well from what i've heard. I'm probably going to move to the userland
> > > implementation tonight to see how it goes.
> > 
> > If you were considering upgrading, 3.8 is past beta and very nice.
> 
> 
> 
> I was thinking about it, but since this is such a low powered device i will 
> just wait for the official release rather than have to rebuild the source 
> when things do go stable (and no I do not have another OpenBSD machine handy 
> right now to build a work+kernel right now ;).

ack! compile what? use GENERIC and baseXX.tgz - everything just
works(tm).

and yes, post-3.7 pppoe(4) works much better in the scenerio where i had
to deploy pppoe.

cheers



From vertigo  Fri Sep  2 16:27:22 2005
From: vertigo (Vertigo)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:27:22 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <4EF32394-9A4A-4D05-9259-4ECE554A338B@ocsny.com>
References: <4EF32394-9A4A-4D05-9259-4ECE554A338B@ocsny.com>
Message-ID: <20050902202722.GA2068@abbott.setec.org>

On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 05:09:55PM -0400, Mikel King wrote:
> Anyone know of a good source for entry level (low 30s) PC Techs? Some  
> one who might be capable of learning MAC and BSD...?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance.

Oh, I see what you're looking for--a place to find a bunch of naive
computer geeks to give crappy jobs to.  No raises, no benefits, 
strictly off the books.  401K? Yeah, right.  Yeah, there's this corner
in Queens that always has a bunch of mexicans standing on it every
morning.  I believe they charge per diem, but my spanish is a bit
rusty.

vertigo

-- 
"In the outside world, all forms of intelligence, whether of sound or 
sight, have been reduced to the form of varying currents in an electric
circuit in order that they may be transmitted."

                                           --Vannevar Bush, 1945



From jvanasco  Fri Sep  2 16:29:56 2005
From: jvanasco (Jonathan Vanasco)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:29:56 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <20050902202722.GA2068@abbott.setec.org>
References: <4EF32394-9A4A-4D05-9259-4ECE554A338B@ocsny.com>
	<20050902202722.GA2068@abbott.setec.org>
Message-ID: <97ca2376f1a1bbee5c43b714667117b0@mastersofbranding.com>


That's harsh.

There's a legit market for entry level, low skilled IT work in the $30s 
that comes with raises, benefits, etc.

I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that someone wants to take advantage 
of people like a craigslist ad.

On Sep 2, 2005, at 4:27 PM, Vertigo wrote:
> Oh, I see what you're looking for--a place to find a bunch of naive
> computer geeks to give crappy jobs to.  No raises, no benefits,
> strictly off the books.  401K? Yeah, right.  Yeah, there's this corner
> in Queens that always has a bunch of mexicans standing on it every
> morning.  I believe they charge per diem, but my spanish is a bit
> rusty.




From alex  Fri Sep  2 16:26:38 2005
From: alex (alex at pilosoft.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:26:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <20050902202722.GA2068@abbott.setec.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0509021623280.22044-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Vertigo wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 05:09:55PM -0400, Mikel King wrote:
> > Anyone know of a good source for entry level (low 30s) PC Techs? Some  
> > one who might be capable of learning MAC and BSD...?
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.

> Oh, I see what you're looking for--a place to find a bunch of naive
> computer geeks to give crappy jobs to.  No raises, no benefits, strictly
> off the books.  401K? Yeah, right.  Yeah, there's this corner in Queens
> that always has a bunch of mexicans standing on it every morning.  I
> believe they charge per diem, but my spanish is a bit rusty.
I sense hostility. This attitude is probably why you will be next person
to be fired (or were fired recently).

Fact is, in this industry, you get paid according to your skills. If your
skills justify 150$/hr, you will have no problem finding someone who will
pay you that. If on other hand, you are a PC reboot monkey, you will have
problem finding even 30k$/year job.

-alex




From nomadlogic  Fri Sep  2 16:34:29 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 13:34:29 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] openbsd in kernel pppoe stability
In-Reply-To: <20050902202528.GA8830@nitrogen.khaoz.org>
References: <57d7100005083118515dece433@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9DBB498-056B-4F40-B6D3-C8856CC85DDF@vcsnyc.org>
	<57d710000509010804428f87fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B614F1E-049F-4CEC-A0FB-660EFE4D3648@vcsnyc.org>
	<57d71000050901094853bd6010@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050902031724.GE28132@loftmail.com>
	<57d71000050902080455aad4aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050902202528.GA8830@nitrogen.khaoz.org>
Message-ID: <57d71000050902133438ca4326@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/2/05, Okan Demirmen <okan at demirmen.com> wrote:
> 
> On Fri 2005.09.02 at 08:04 -0700, pete wright wrote:
> > On 9/1/05, bruno <bruno at loftmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > my current issues are with 3.7 running pppoe in kernel. It seems 
> that
> > > > covad is doing something wonky and resetting my connection 
> throughout
> > > > the day. There is a patch in -CURRENT (soon to be 3.8) that 
> addresses
> > > > this issue with the in-kernel pppoe implementation and seems to work
> > > > well from what i've heard. I'm probably going to move to the 
> userland
> > > > implementation tonight to see how it goes.
> > >
> > > If you were considering upgrading, 3.8 is past beta and very nice.
> >
> >
> >
> > I was thinking about it, but since this is such a low powered device i 
> will
> > just wait for the official release rather than have to rebuild the 
> source
> > when things do go stable (and no I do not have another OpenBSD machine 
> handy
> > right now to build a work+kernel right now ;).
> 
> ack! compile what? use GENERIC and baseXX.tgz - everything just
> works(tm).


well if i was going to use -CURRENT i assumed one would have to according to 
this link:

http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Bld

which seemed to suggest to me that if I was running release and wanted to 
end up with -CURRENT I would install the latest snapshot and then fetch and 
build current.

in any event...i'm not running current on my firewall so this is all a moot 
point.

and yes, post-3.7 pppoe(4) works much better in the scenerio where i had
> to deploy pppoe.


yea...guess i'll be waiting for it to release then.

-pete


-- 
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
NYC's *BSD User Group
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From mickey  Fri Sep  2 16:34:56 2005
From: mickey (Michael Shalayeff)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:34:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0509021623280.22044-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com> from
	"alex@pilosoft.com" at "Sep 2, 2005 04:26:38 pm"
Message-ID: <200509022034.j82KYux3013594@lucifier.net>

Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from alex at pilosoft.com:
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Vertigo wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 05:09:55PM -0400, Mikel King wrote:
> > > Anyone know of a good source for entry level (low 30s) PC Techs? Some  
> > > one who might be capable of learning MAC and BSD...?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance.
> 
> > Oh, I see what you're looking for--a place to find a bunch of naive
> > computer geeks to give crappy jobs to.  No raises, no benefits, strictly
> > off the books.  401K? Yeah, right.  Yeah, there's this corner in Queens
> > that always has a bunch of mexicans standing on it every morning.  I
> > believe they charge per diem, but my spanish is a bit rusty.
> I sense hostility. This attitude is probably why you will be next person
> to be fired (or were fired recently).
> 
> Fact is, in this industry, you get paid according to your skills. If your
> skills justify 150$/hr, you will have no problem finding someone who will
> pay you that. If on other hand, you are a PC reboot monkey, you will have
> problem finding even 30k$/year job.

if everybody in the industry would be paid for their
skills i think average celery would not raise above
minimal wages. overwhelming majority of peoples are
completely out of clue what are they doing...

cu
-- 
    paranoic mickey       (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)



From vertigo  Fri Sep  2 16:47:37 2005
From: vertigo (Vertigo)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:47:37 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0509021623280.22044-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
References: <20050902202722.GA2068@abbott.setec.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0509021623280.22044-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
Message-ID: <20050902204737.GB2068@abbott.setec.org>

On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 04:26:38PM -0400, alex at pilosoft.com wrote:
> I sense hostility. This attitude is probably why you will be next person
> to be fired (or were fired recently).
> 
> Fact is, in this industry, you get paid according to your skills. If your
> skills justify 150$/hr, you will have no problem finding someone who will
> pay you that. If on other hand, you are a PC reboot monkey, you will have
> problem finding even 30k$/year job.
> 
> -alex

Hostility, no, I'm never hostile.  :)  BTW, I quit.

vertigo

-- 
"In the outside world, all forms of intelligence, whether of sound or 
sight, have been reduced to the form of varying currents in an electric
circuit in order that they may be transmitted."

                                           --Vannevar Bush, 1945



From vertigo  Fri Sep  2 16:59:34 2005
From: vertigo (Vertigo)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 16:59:34 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <4318BB57.2030407@3phasecomputing.com>
References: <20050902202722.GA2068@abbott.setec.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0509021623280.22044-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
	<20050902204737.GB2068@abbott.setec.org>
	<4318BB57.2030407@3phasecomputing.com>
Message-ID: <20050902205934.GC2068@abbott.setec.org>

On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 04:51:35PM -0400, Jerry B. Altzman wrote:
> On 9/2/2005 4:47 PM, Vertigo wrote:
> >Hostility, no, I'm never hostile.  :)  BTW, I quit.
> 
> No more publishing for you?
> 
> >vertigo
> 
> //jbaltz
> -- 
> jerry b. altzman  jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com  +1 718 763 7405

No 'puters, just me and my camera.  

vertigo

-- 
"In the outside world, all forms of intelligence, whether of sound or 
sight, have been reduced to the form of varying currents in an electric
circuit in order that they may be transmitted."

                                           --Vannevar Bush, 1945



From g  Fri Sep  2 17:06:52 2005
From: g (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:06:52 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <20050902204737.GB2068@abbott.setec.org>
Message-ID: <0IM700JOHJZHTJ69@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

Ladies and gentlemen... That was Vertigo, here until next Thursday.  BTW,
try the veal.  ;-)

To address Alex's point, it might be interesting to ask you all what your
favorite websites are for "skills vs. compensation" information (short of
buying surveys from Gartner or some such).  It's always good to have a
reliable (???) yardstick handy to see whether one's offer is reasonable.

G 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nycbug.org]
On Behalf Of Vertigo
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 4:48 PM
To: talk at lists.nycbug.org
Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...

On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 04:26:38PM -0400, alex at pilosoft.com wrote:
> I sense hostility. This attitude is probably why you will be next person
> to be fired (or were fired recently).
> 
> Fact is, in this industry, you get paid according to your skills. If your
> skills justify 150$/hr, you will have no problem finding someone who will
> pay you that. If on other hand, you are a PC reboot monkey, you will have
> problem finding even 30k$/year job.
> 
> -alex

Hostility, no, I'm never hostile.  :)  BTW, I quit.

vertigo

-- 
"In the outside world, all forms of intelligence, whether of sound or 
sight, have been reduced to the form of varying currents in an electric
circuit in order that they may be transmitted."

                                           --Vannevar Bush, 1945
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From anthony.elizondo  Fri Sep  2 17:08:35 2005
From: anthony.elizondo (Anthony Elizondo)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:08:35 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <a49e62c805090214016d124909@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050902202722.GA2068@abbott.setec.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0509021623280.22044-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
	<20050902204737.GB2068@abbott.setec.org>
	<a49e62c805090214016d124909@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a49e62c8050902140834da18b8@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Mikel King wrote:

> Anyone know of a good source for entry level (low 30s) PC Techs?
> Some one who might be capable of learning MAC and
> BSD...?

At that pay level you should go to the classic source of cheap labor:
college students. You can get them cheaply due to inexperience, among
other reasons.

However, at 30K, you will not be getting the ones who already have
Mac/BSD/Linux experience. Those ones are out of your range. You might
be able to get the smart ones who majored in something other than
IT/CS, but if they are truly smart they will soak up any knowledge
they can and quickly move on.

Anthony



From okan  Fri Sep  2 17:24:33 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:24:33 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] openbsd in kernel pppoe stability
In-Reply-To: <57d71000050902133438ca4326@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57d7100005083118515dece433@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9DBB498-056B-4F40-B6D3-C8856CC85DDF@vcsnyc.org>
	<57d710000509010804428f87fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B614F1E-049F-4CEC-A0FB-660EFE4D3648@vcsnyc.org>
	<57d71000050901094853bd6010@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050902031724.GE28132@loftmail.com>
	<57d71000050902080455aad4aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050902202528.GA8830@nitrogen.khaoz.org>
	<57d71000050902133438ca4326@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050902212455.GA27294@nitrogen.khaoz.org>

On Fri 2005.09.02 at 13:34 -0700, pete wright wrote:
> On 9/2/05, Okan Demirmen <okan at demirmen.com> wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri 2005.09.02 at 08:04 -0700, pete wright wrote:
> > > On 9/1/05, bruno <bruno at loftmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > my current issues are with 3.7 running pppoe in kernel. It seems 
> > that
> > > > > covad is doing something wonky and resetting my connection 
> > throughout
> > > > > the day. There is a patch in -CURRENT (soon to be 3.8) that 
> > addresses
> > > > > this issue with the in-kernel pppoe implementation and seems to work
> > > > > well from what i've heard. I'm probably going to move to the 
> > userland
> > > > > implementation tonight to see how it goes.
> > > >
> > > > If you were considering upgrading, 3.8 is past beta and very nice.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I was thinking about it, but since this is such a low powered device i 
> > will
> > > just wait for the official release rather than have to rebuild the 
> > source
> > > when things do go stable (and no I do not have another OpenBSD machine 
> > handy
> > > right now to build a work+kernel right now ;).
> > 
> > ack! compile what? use GENERIC and baseXX.tgz - everything just
> > works(tm).
> 
> 
> well if i was going to use -CURRENT i assumed one would have to according to 
> this link:
> 
> http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Bld
> 
> which seemed to suggest to me that if I was running release and wanted to 
> end up with -CURRENT I would install the latest snapshot and then fetch and 
> build current.

ok, i meant to say "use a snapshot" ;)

> in any event...i'm not running current on my firewall so this is all a moot 
> point.

but it's so easy and it works...why not? ;)

> and yes, post-3.7 pppoe(4) works much better in the scenerio where i had
> > to deploy pppoe.
> 
> 
> yea...guess i'll be waiting for it to release then.

release will be ~ november timeframe...if you can wait...

i'll stop pestering ... 

cheers,
okan



From tux  Fri Sep  2 19:12:39 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:12:39 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <20050902202722.GA2068@abbott.setec.org>
References: <4EF32394-9A4A-4D05-9259-4ECE554A338B@ocsny.com>
	<20050902202722.GA2068@abbott.setec.org>
Message-ID: <4318DC67.3010408@penguinnetwerx.net>

Vertigo wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 05:09:55PM -0400, Mikel King wrote:
> 
>>Anyone know of a good source for entry level (low 30s) PC Techs? Some  
>>one who might be capable of learning MAC and BSD...?
>>
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Oh, I see what you're looking for--a place to find a bunch of naive
> computer geeks to give crappy jobs to.  No raises, no benefits, 
> strictly off the books.  401K? Yeah, right.  Yeah, there's this corner
> in Queens that always has a bunch of mexicans standing on it every
> morning.  I believe they charge per diem, but my spanish is a bit
> rusty.

Everyone has to start somewhere - one of the companies I worked for as an 
underpaid contractor in the early days paid just about $20k with NO 
bennies, but I learned more from that place in 1 month than from almost 
anywhere else I've ever worked in the field.  And it wasn't like they 
couldn't afford it, either.  John Deere Corporate Headquarters just 
doesn't like to pay their contractors well...

.. and not *all* entry-level positions suck, either.  Playing Half-Life 
and UT on the LAN to "test for packet collisions" for 2 weeks (during 
regular hours, mind you!) wasn't all that hard to take.

Nobody here can say they were born knowing what they know now - we've all 
had those low-paying tech jobs, but the ones who rise to the top are the 
ones who actually learn something from them and then pass them on to the 
next up-and-coming tech.

..just my .01 x 2 ..

-Kev




From nomadlogic  Fri Sep  2 23:17:28 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 20:17:28 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] openbsd in kernel pppoe stability
In-Reply-To: <20050902212455.GA27294@nitrogen.khaoz.org>
References: <57d7100005083118515dece433@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9DBB498-056B-4F40-B6D3-C8856CC85DDF@vcsnyc.org>
	<57d710000509010804428f87fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<8B614F1E-049F-4CEC-A0FB-660EFE4D3648@vcsnyc.org>
	<57d71000050901094853bd6010@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050902031724.GE28132@loftmail.com>
	<57d71000050902080455aad4aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050902202528.GA8830@nitrogen.khaoz.org>
	<57d71000050902133438ca4326@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050902212455.GA27294@nitrogen.khaoz.org>
Message-ID: <57d71000050902201734ee4419@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/2/05, Okan Demirmen <okan at demirmen.com> wrote:
> 
> ok, i meant to say "use a snapshot" ;)
> 
> > in any event...i'm not running current on my firewall so this is all a moot
> > point.
> 
> but it's so easy and it works...why not? ;)

because i already got burned by using the first release of in kernel
pppoe..so i recon a little paitence wouldn't hurt this time around ;)

> 
> > and yes, post-3.7 pppoe(4) works much better in the scenerio where i had
> > > to deploy pppoe.
> >
> >
> > yea...guess i'll be waiting for it to release then.
> 
> release will be ~ november timeframe...if you can wait...
> 
> i'll stop pestering ...
> 

heh, your not pestering it's just easier to use userland for now and
wait a bit until it get's blessed.  besides i'm already testing free's
6-BETA ;p


-p

-- 
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org
NYC's *BSD User Group



From dlavigne6  Sat Sep  3 08:45:47 2005
From: dlavigne6 (Dru)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:45:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] any spare space?
Message-ID: <20050903084235.C552@dru.domain.org>


Anyone have any extra space in their living quarters where Rob and I can 
crash when we're in NYC for NYCBSDCon? We'll be in town Friday night to 
Sunday night (16-18). We don't mind spending the night at three different 
places and can bring sleeping bags and pillows with us.

Dru



From lists  Sun Sep  4 00:06:43 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:06:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0509021623280.22044-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0509021623280.22044-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
Message-ID: <20050904000523.W92406@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, alex at pilosoft.com wrote:

> Fact is, in this industry, you get paid according to your skills. If your
> skills justify 150$/hr, you will have no problem finding someone who will
> pay you that

I would have to disagree on that.
There is a big difference between having technical skills and marketting 
skills.  Someone may be a great technical person and not know how to 
market himself, where as someone half as competent has no problems finding 
twice as many jobs and charging twice as much.



From lists  Sun Sep  4 00:15:54 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:15:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Setting up a home network with FreeBSD (not
	connected to the Internet yet)
In-Reply-To: <20050830034554.37847.qmail@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050830034554.37847.qmail@web31605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050904001227.E92406@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Maude User wrote:

> I have a 1U rackmount server (running FreeBSD 5.4)
> and a laptop (dual-boot running WinXP-Pro and
> FreeBSD 5.3) and I'd like to connect the two in a
> home network (not connected to the Internet) so I
> can learn web development using Apache, PHP,
> Python, Plone, Ruby, MySQL, PostgreSQL etc.

I highly recommend Absolute BSD by Michael Lucas. The best FreeBSD book in 
my shelf (of the 4 or 5 books on FreeBSD that I own).


> Later I'll co-locate the server in a datacenter. I'd
> like the home network setup to be similar to the
> eventual co-lo setup so that it would provide a
> realistic environment for learning and testing,


It would be much more realistic if you connected your "Server" to the 
internet so you can practice securing it before you actually put 
real/important data in it.

Don't forget to do at least some minimal security measures such as setting 
up a firewall and perhaps only allowing your home IP (once you know it.. 
after you get internet) to be able to connect through SSH.



From joshmccormack  Sun Sep  4 01:55:56 2005
From: joshmccormack (Josh McCormack)
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:55:56 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <20050904000523.W92406@zoraida.natserv.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0509021623280.22044-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
	<20050904000523.W92406@zoraida.natserv.net>
Message-ID: <431A8C6C.4090304@travelersdiary.com>

> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, alex at pilosoft.com wrote:
> 
>> Fact is, in this industry, you get paid according to your skills. If your
>> skills justify 150$/hr, you will have no problem finding someone who will
>> pay you that

The only people I've heard suggest their industry or business is a 
meritocracy are people at the top. I'm not brilliant or gorgeous, but 
all the same, I feel like I've had low times when others had plenty of 
work who maybe shouldn't have in those circumstances. This is what I've 
learned:

-live below your means. Save up money with the expectation that things 
will go wrong. Have hidden supplies of cash at home for yourself and 
your family in case you need it fast and ATMs are not working.
-make hay while the sun shines. when you can work 15 hours a day and get 
paid for it, thank God and take on as much as you can handle. At least 
for a while.
-be able to do more than one thing for money.
-Network like mad. Help out people for free whenever you can. Always 
help out recruiters.
-be cool. don't take things personally, be an asset under pressure.
-pray

Josh



From kacanski_s  Mon Sep  5 08:53:36 2005
From: kacanski_s (Aleksandar Kacanski)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 05:53:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Upgrade from 5.3 releaqse to 5.4 release #0 i386
Message-ID: <20050905125336.82094.qmail@web53605.mail.yahoo.com>

Have problem with following after upgrade of binaries
...

can't get /dev/console for controlling terminal:
operation not permitted

ls -l /dev/console yelds:
crw------ 1 root wheel 0, 0, Sep ... /dev/console

I can do single user but multiuser or safe boot will
not pass this one.

I am sure there is a permission issue but maybe
someone someone can tell me where to look or what to
change.


Sasha


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From dlavigne6  Mon Sep  5 09:26:07 2005
From: dlavigne6 (Dru)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:26:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] blog on codeweaver's petition
Message-ID: <20050905092541.T559@dru.domain.org>


http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/7731

Dru



From george  Mon Sep  5 19:52:07 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:52:07 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] patching ports
Message-ID: <20050905235207.GA4269@sta.duo>

I'm looking at the freebsd porters-handbook but I don't see how to
patch a port. I have a simple patch to apply, but every way I try
it gets over written when the archive is extracted. How do I do
this?

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From scottro  Mon Sep  5 20:31:24 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:31:24 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] patching ports
In-Reply-To: <20050905235207.GA4269@sta.duo>
References: <20050905235207.GA4269@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <20050906003124.GA2979@mail.scottro.net>

On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 07:52:07PM -0400, George Georgalis wrote:
> I'm looking at the freebsd porters-handbook but I don't see how to
> patch a port. I have a simple patch to apply, but every way I try
> it gets over written when the archive is extracted. How do I do
> this?
> 
> // George


Lazy man's workaround.  (Heh, I think I have this on that fluxbox page
that I've pleaded with you to read.)  :)

make extract
cd into work/port-version

Apply the patch.

I'm sure there are far better ways to do this, but as it's the last
night of a holiday weekend, I figure you might not get many answers
before tomorrow.


-- 

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From george  Mon Sep  5 21:29:49 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:29:49 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] patching ports
In-Reply-To: <20050906003124.GA2979@mail.scottro.net>
References: <20050905235207.GA4269@sta.duo>
	<20050906003124.GA2979@mail.scottro.net>
Message-ID: <20050906012949.GC4269@sta.duo>

On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 08:31:24PM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
>On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 07:52:07PM -0400, George Georgalis wrote:
>> I'm looking at the freebsd porters-handbook but I don't see how to
>> patch a port. I have a simple patch to apply, but every way I try
>> it gets over written when the archive is extracted. How do I do
>> this?
>> 
>> // George
>
>
>Lazy man's workaround.  (Heh, I think I have this on that fluxbox page
>that I've pleaded with you to read.)  :)

Well I spent *that* day on fluxbox, not using a window manager
atm, unfortunatly. I'll get back to it... did have some followup
questions but I'm not done with my homework on that. ;-}
 
>make extract

>Apply the patch.

make install

...that worked perfect. thanks a bunch.

// George



-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From hubert  Mon Sep  5 21:44:15 2005
From: hubert (Hubert Feyrer)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 03:44:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] patching ports
In-Reply-To: <20050906012949.GC4269@sta.duo>
References: <20050905235207.GA4269@sta.duo>
	<20050906003124.GA2979@mail.scottro.net>
	<20050906012949.GC4269@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509060340250.14891@m24s24.vlinux.de>

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, George Georgalis wrote:
>>> I'm looking at the freebsd porters-handbook but I don't see how to
>>> patch a port. I have a simple patch to apply, but every way I try
>>> it gets over written when the archive is extracted. How do I do
>>> this?
...
>> make extract
>> Apply the patch.
> make install
>
> ...that worked perfect. thanks a bunch.

I'm not sure I understand what this is about - you want some local patches 
applied that are not in the ports tree, and that get applied after 
the port's patches and before building?

pkgsrc has a LOCALPATCHES dir for that - after extracting and applying the 
patches from (say) www/apache (which is what "make patch" does), it looks 
in ${LOCALPATCHES}/www/patches and applies any patches there.

I guess it wouldn't be hard to add that to the ports tree too...
(And I know there's _one_ FreeBSD user out there that would be really glad 
to see that... I actually added that to NetBSD after he told me  :-).


  - Hubert



From george  Mon Sep  5 22:38:08 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:38:08 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] patching ports
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509060340250.14891@m24s24.vlinux.de>
References: <20050905235207.GA4269@sta.duo>
	<20050906003124.GA2979@mail.scottro.net>
	<20050906012949.GC4269@sta.duo>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0509060340250.14891@m24s24.vlinux.de>
Message-ID: <20050906023808.GD4269@sta.duo>

On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 03:44:15AM +0200, Hubert Feyrer wrote:
>On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, George Georgalis wrote:
>>>>I'm looking at the freebsd porters-handbook but I don't see how to
>>>>patch a port. I have a simple patch to apply, but every way I try
>>>>it gets over written when the archive is extracted. How do I do
>>>>this?
>...
>>>make extract
>>>Apply the patch.
>>make install
>>
>>...that worked perfect. thanks a bunch.
>
>I'm not sure I understand what this is about - you want some local patches 
>applied that are not in the ports tree, and that get applied after 
>the port's patches and before building?

yep. concerning my client's image, I cannot use the openbsd's
spamd smtp dialog. so I've changed that to Michael's doorman
dialog, eg 220 hello, I'm the doorman, 450 I don't take messages,
but I'll put a request for you to get on the guest list, etc.

>pkgsrc has a LOCALPATCHES dir for that - after extracting and
>applying the patches from (say) www/apache (which is what "make
>patch" does), it looks in ${LOCALPATCHES}/www/patches and applies
>any patches there.

excellent. I would prefer running pkgsrc but I'm finding better
integration and local support with ports. As soon as I've fully
migrated from Linux, and settled, I'll probably switch to pkgsrc.

>I guess it wouldn't be hard to add that to the ports tree too...
>(And I know there's _one_ FreeBSD user out there that would be
>really glad to see that... I actually added that to NetBSD after
>he told me :-).

For now I'm learning, it's tough because I mostly cannot go with
defaults since I already have complex unix systems; and I'm not in
a good position to submit patches because, well most people don't
see the need, so I just rsync -Ca hostname/ hostname:/ and make
hostname on the target :}

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From hubert  Mon Sep  5 23:19:34 2005
From: hubert (Hubert Feyrer)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 05:19:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] patching ports
In-Reply-To: <20050906023808.GD4269@sta.duo>
References: <20050905235207.GA4269@sta.duo>
	<20050906003124.GA2979@mail.scottro.net>
	<20050906012949.GC4269@sta.duo>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0509060340250.14891@m24s24.vlinux.de>
	<20050906023808.GD4269@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509060513130.14891@m24s24.vlinux.de>

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, George Georgalis wrote:
>> pkgsrc has a LOCALPATCHES dir for that - after extracting and
>> applying the patches from (say) www/apache (which is what "make
>> patch" does), it looks in ${LOCALPATCHES}/www/patches and applies
>> any patches there.
>
> excellent. I would prefer running pkgsrc but I'm finding better
> integration and local support with ports. As soon as I've fully
> migrated from Linux, and settled, I'll probably switch to pkgsrc.

Well, this wasn't exactly an attempt to get you to use pkgsrc.

Besides that, I have pkgsrc working for my main mail setup on a Debian 
box, and pkgsrc works ___excellent___ there - I don't have a root 
password, and I keep everything installed in my $HOME (well, I use the 
system mailer, postfix, obviously). But procmail, spamprobe, spamassassin, 
pine and everything they need is from pkgsrc.

But then, as you're on OpenBSD (as I understand?), their pkg system may 
have changed so much that I have no idea if they're even using a make(1) 
based framework, so I wouldn't bet on adding the same thing there being as 
easy as for FreeBSD. (Unverified for FreeBSD too, fwiw ;)


>> I guess it wouldn't be hard to add that to the ports tree too...
>> (And I know there's _one_ FreeBSD user out there that would be
>> really glad to see that... I actually added that to NetBSD after
>> he told me :-).
>
> For now I'm learning, it's tough because I mostly cannot go with
> defaults since I already have complex unix systems; and I'm not in
> a good position to submit patches because, well most people don't
> see the need, so I just rsync -Ca hostname/ hostname:/ and make
> hostname on the target :}

This sounds ... scary^Winteresting. .-)

Take care!


  - Hubert



From mspitzer  Tue Sep  6 01:22:57 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 01:22:57 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] patching ports
In-Reply-To: <20050906003124.GA2979@mail.scottro.net>
References: <20050905235207.GA4269@sta.duo>
	<20050906003124.GA2979@mail.scottro.net>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c305090522223fa83c7e@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/5/05, Scott Robbins <scottro at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 07:52:07PM -0400, George Georgalis wrote:
> > I'm looking at the freebsd porters-handbook but I don't see how to
> > patch a port. I have a simple patch to apply, but every way I try
> > it gets over written when the archive is extracted. How do I do
> > this?
> >
> > // George
> 
> 
> Lazy man's workaround.  (Heh, I think I have this on that fluxbox page
> that I've pleaded with you to read.)  :)
> 
> make extract

Umm I think that should be:

make patch

That way if your patch conflicts with the patchs that come with the
port you can apply by hand, ie with vi, and still get it done.   If
you do it with make extract the port may not take all its patches and
then it will not even attempt to compile.

marc

-- 
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From george  Tue Sep  6 12:25:49 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:25:49 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] patching ports
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509060513130.14891@m24s24.vlinux.de>
References: <20050905235207.GA4269@sta.duo>
	<20050906003124.GA2979@mail.scottro.net>
	<20050906012949.GC4269@sta.duo>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0509060340250.14891@m24s24.vlinux.de>
	<20050906023808.GD4269@sta.duo>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0509060513130.14891@m24s24.vlinux.de>
Message-ID: <20050906162549.GD21131@sta.duo>

On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 05:19:34AM +0200, Hubert Feyrer wrote:
>But then, as you're on OpenBSD (as I understand?), their pkg system may 
>have changed so much that I have no idea if they're even using a make(1) 
>based framework, so I wouldn't bet on adding the same thing there being as 
>easy as for FreeBSD. (Unverified for FreeBSD too, fwiw ;)

for broader support, I'm using ports on FreeBSD 5.4 (though no
reason not to use 6.0). I've not done any cvsup on this dev box
but grep -r LOCALPATCHES /usr/ports/Mk is null, google didn't
turn up anything in FreeBSD ports either.

Ciao,
// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From george  Tue Sep  6 12:26:51 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:26:51 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] patching ports
In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c305090522223fa83c7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050905235207.GA4269@sta.duo>
	<20050906003124.GA2979@mail.scottro.net>
	<8c50a3c305090522223fa83c7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050906162651.GE21131@sta.duo>

On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 01:22:57AM -0400, Marc Spitzer wrote:
>
>Umm I think that should be:
>
>make patch

works, cool, thanks.

// George

-- 
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http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From mikel.king  Tue Sep  6 12:47:42 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:47:42 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <20050902202722.GA2068@abbott.setec.org>
References: <4EF32394-9A4A-4D05-9259-4ECE554A338B@ocsny.com>
	<20050902202722.GA2068@abbott.setec.org>
Message-ID: <0D1B4714-B125-4AFB-AD99-112415584DF8@ocsny.com>

Actually completely the opposite.

On Sep 2, 2005, at 4:27 PM, Vertigo wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 05:09:55PM -0400, Mikel King wrote:
>
>> Anyone know of a good source for entry level (low 30s) PC Techs? Some
>> one who might be capable of learning MAC and BSD...?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>
> Oh, I see what you're looking for--a place to find a bunch of naive
> computer geeks to give crappy jobs to.  No raises, no benefits,
> strictly off the books.  401K? Yeah, right.  Yeah, there's this corner
> in Queens that always has a bunch of mexicans standing on it every
> morning.  I believe they charge per diem, but my spanish is a bit
> rusty.
>
> vertigo
>
> --  
> "In the outside world, all forms of intelligence, whether of sound or
> sight, have been reduced to the form of varying currents in an  
> electric
> circuit in order that they may be transmitted."
>
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From mikel.king  Tue Sep  6 12:49:02 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:49:02 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0509021623280.22044-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0509021623280.22044-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
Message-ID: <634D6CE3-C129-4B6B-A073-2FA8D1DAB0A5@ocsny.com>

Thanks for the support Alex. Much appreciated.

On Sep 2, 2005, at 4:26 PM, alex at pilosoft.com wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Vertigo wrote:
>
>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 05:09:55PM -0400, Mikel King wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know of a good source for entry level (low 30s) PC Techs?  
>>> Some
>>> one who might be capable of learning MAC and BSD...?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>
>
>> Oh, I see what you're looking for--a place to find a bunch of naive
>> computer geeks to give crappy jobs to.  No raises, no benefits,  
>> strictly
>> off the books.  401K? Yeah, right.  Yeah, there's this corner in  
>> Queens
>> that always has a bunch of mexicans standing on it every morning.  I
>> believe they charge per diem, but my spanish is a bit rusty.
>>
> I sense hostility. This attitude is probably why you will be next  
> person
> to be fired (or were fired recently).
>
> Fact is, in this industry, you get paid according to your skills.  
> If your
> skills justify 150$/hr, you will have no problem finding someone  
> who will
> pay you that. If on other hand, you are a PC reboot monkey, you  
> will have
> problem finding even 30k$/year job.
>
> -alex
>
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From mikel.king  Tue Sep  6 12:50:33 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:50:33 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <200509022034.j82KYux3013594@lucifier.net>
References: <200509022034.j82KYux3013594@lucifier.net>
Message-ID: <4D1B10FD-DC56-407A-A4AD-E3CAF6F0D7CD@ocsny.com>


On Sep 2, 2005, at 4:34 PM, Michael Shalayeff wrote:

> Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from  
> alex at pilosoft.com:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Vertigo wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 05:09:55PM -0400, Mikel King wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone know of a good source for entry level (low 30s) PC Techs?  
>>>> Some
>>>> one who might be capable of learning MAC and BSD...?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>> Oh, I see what you're looking for--a place to find a bunch of naive
>>> computer geeks to give crappy jobs to.  No raises, no benefits,  
>>> strictly
>>> off the books.  401K? Yeah, right.  Yeah, there's this corner in  
>>> Queens
>>> that always has a bunch of mexicans standing on it every morning.  I
>>> believe they charge per diem, but my spanish is a bit rusty.
>>>
>> I sense hostility. This attitude is probably why you will be next  
>> person
>> to be fired (or were fired recently).
>>
>> Fact is, in this industry, you get paid according to your skills.  
>> If your
>> skills justify 150$/hr, you will have no problem finding someone  
>> who will
>> pay you that. If on other hand, you are a PC reboot monkey, you  
>> will have
>> problem finding even 30k$/year job.
>>
>
> if everybody in the industry would be paid for their
> skills i think average celery would not raise above
> minimal wages. overwhelming majority of peoples are
> completely out of clue what are they doing...

I'm thinking you meant salary not celery, of course if you'd like  
work for celery we might be able to work something out...;-)

>
> cu
> -- 
>     paranoic mickey       (my employers have changed but, the name  
> has remained)
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From george  Tue Sep  6 12:49:27 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:49:27 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <0D1B4714-B125-4AFB-AD99-112415584DF8@ocsny.com>
References: <4EF32394-9A4A-4D05-9259-4ECE554A338B@ocsny.com>	<20050902202722.GA2068@abbott.setec.org>
	<0D1B4714-B125-4AFB-AD99-112415584DF8@ocsny.com>
Message-ID: <431DC897.5010604@sddi.net>

Mikel King wrote:
> Actually completely the opposite.
> 

agree with you Mikel.

I actually took this issue up offlist, and there was no comment.

I don't think this list (or any list) is appropriate for racist comments.

Those comments should at *least* be retracted. . . but there is 
certainly no space for them here.

g

> On Sep 2, 2005, at 4:27 PM, Vertigo wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 05:09:55PM -0400, Mikel King wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know of a good source for entry level (low 30s) PC Techs? Some
>>> one who might be capable of learning MAC and BSD...?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, I see what you're looking for--a place to find a bunch of naive
>> computer geeks to give crappy jobs to.  No raises, no benefits,
>> strictly off the books.  401K? Yeah, right.  Yeah, there's this corner
>> in Queens that always has a bunch of mexicans standing on it every
>> morning.  I believe they charge per diem, but my spanish is a bit
>> rusty.
>>
>> vertigo
>>
>> --  "In the outside world, all forms of intelligence, whether of sound or
>> sight, have been reduced to the form of varying currents in an  electric
>> circuit in order that they may be transmitted."
>>
>>                                            --Vannevar Bush, 1945





From george  Tue Sep  6 12:54:14 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:54:14 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Anyone know of a good source...
In-Reply-To: <4D1B10FD-DC56-407A-A4AD-E3CAF6F0D7CD@ocsny.com>
References: <200509022034.j82KYux3013594@lucifier.net>
	<4D1B10FD-DC56-407A-A4AD-E3CAF6F0D7CD@ocsny.com>
Message-ID: <431DC9B6.3020402@sddi.net>

Mikel King wrote:
> 
> On Sep 2, 2005, at 4:34 PM, Michael Shalayeff wrote:
> 
>> Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from  alex at pilosoft.com:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Vertigo wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 05:09:55PM -0400, Mikel King wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know of a good source for entry level (low 30s) PC Techs?  Some
>>>>> one who might be capable of learning MAC and BSD...?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh, I see what you're looking for--a place to find a bunch of naive
>>>> computer geeks to give crappy jobs to.  No raises, no benefits,  
>>>> strictly
>>>> off the books.  401K? Yeah, right.  Yeah, there's this corner in  
>>>> Queens
>>>> that always has a bunch of mexicans standing on it every morning.  I
>>>> believe they charge per diem, but my spanish is a bit rusty.
>>>>
>>> I sense hostility. This attitude is probably why you will be next  
>>> person
>>> to be fired (or were fired recently).
>>>
>>> Fact is, in this industry, you get paid according to your skills.  If 
>>> your
>>> skills justify 150$/hr, you will have no problem finding someone  who 
>>> will
>>> pay you that. If on other hand, you are a PC reboot monkey, you  will 
>>> have
>>> problem finding even 30k$/year job.
>>>
>>
>> if everybody in the industry would be paid for their
>> skills i think average celery would not raise above
>> minimal wages. overwhelming majority of peoples are
>> completely out of clue what are they doing...
> 
> 
> I'm thinking you meant salary not celery, of course if you'd like  work 
> for celery we might be able to work something out...;-)

I think the best route is working with a local college, such as Baruch. 
  My personal experiences with Ivy-league interns has been generally 
negative.  If your pop's a big guy at Morgan Stanley, you are somehow 
convinced at 21 that you too can take his job.

Schools with CS departments are a real pool of young 20-somethings 
looking for a direction.  Particularly those with previous real 
experience.  Hey, the salary certainly beats the $15k I started working 
for way back when.

g



From mspitzer  Wed Sep  7 00:46:48 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 00:46:48 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] do you yahoo?
Message-ID: <8c50a3c3050906214637368e3c@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2005/09/do_you_yahoo_th.php


-- 
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From nycbug  Wed Sep  7 09:37:08 2005
From: nycbug (Ray Lai)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:37:08 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] do you yahoo?
In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c3050906214637368e3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c50a3c3050906214637368e3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050907133708.GA14466@syntax.cyth.net>

On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:46:48AM -0400, Marc Spitzer wrote:
> http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2005/09/do_you_yahoo_th.php

If any internet service were handed a subpoena, they'd have to
cooperate.  While it's upsetting that this journalist was arrested,
Yahoo may have been pressured into doing so.

Don't lose sight of the real villain.

-Ray-



From lists  Wed Sep  7 09:52:00 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:52:00 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] do you yahoo?
In-Reply-To: <20050907133708.GA14466@syntax.cyth.net>
References: <8c50a3c3050906214637368e3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050907133708.GA14466@syntax.cyth.net>
Message-ID: <20050907095200.357732a2@genoverly.com>

On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:37:08 -0400
Ray Lai <nycbug at cyth.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:46:48AM -0400, Marc Spitzer wrote:
> > http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2005/09/do_you_yahoo_th.php
> 
> If any internet service were handed a subpoena, they'd have to
> cooperate.  While it's upsetting that this journalist was arrested,
> Yahoo may have been pressured into doing so.
> 
> Don't lose sight of the real villain.
> 

Darth Vader?

Michael



From mspitzer  Wed Sep  7 10:00:13 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:00:13 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] do you yahoo?
In-Reply-To: <20050907095200.357732a2@genoverly.com>
References: <8c50a3c3050906214637368e3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050907133708.GA14466@syntax.cyth.net>
	<20050907095200.357732a2@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c3050907070055c772e6@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/7/05, michael <lists at genoverly.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:37:08 -0400
> Ray Lai <nycbug at cyth.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:46:48AM -0400, Marc Spitzer wrote:
> > > http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2005/09/do_you_yahoo_th.php
> >
> > If any internet service were handed a subpoena, they'd have to
> > cooperate.  While it's upsetting that this journalist was arrested,
> > Yahoo may have been pressured into doing so.
> >
> > Don't lose sight of the real villain.
> >
> 
> Darth Vader?
> 

Everyone  knows it was the Emperor that was the real villain.

marc

-- 
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From mspitzer  Wed Sep  7 10:01:29 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:01:29 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] do you yahoo?
In-Reply-To: <20050907133708.GA14466@syntax.cyth.net>
References: <8c50a3c3050906214637368e3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050907133708.GA14466@syntax.cyth.net>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c305090707017ddff7ef@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/7/05, Ray Lai <nycbug at cyth.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:46:48AM -0400, Marc Spitzer wrote:
> > http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2005/09/do_you_yahoo_th.php
> 
> If any internet service were handed a subpoena, they'd have to
> cooperate.  While it's upsetting that this journalist was arrested,
> Yahoo may have been pressured into doing so.
> 
> Don't lose sight of the real villain.
> 

Or the fact that evil happens when good people do nothing to stop it

marc


-- 
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From george  Wed Sep  7 11:49:27 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:49:27 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fwd: SANS NewsBites Vol. 7 Num. 36
References: <20050907586.QWP54055@stinger1.sans.org>
Message-ID: <7EDF27F9-CCB1-4D9D-B86B-EF723CAC6EC1@sddi.net>

Not usually appropriate for this list, I know, but SANS is involved  
in assisting the Red Cross with relief efforts for the Gulf Coast.

g

Begin forwarded message:

> From: The SANS Institute <NewsBites at sans.org>
> Date: September 7, 2005 11:35:57 AM EDT
> Subject: SANS NewsBites Vol. 7 Num. 36
>
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> A longer introduction to NewsBites this week, for a good cause:
>
> The American Red Cross needs help in areas that NewsBites readers know
> well. SANS Internet Storm Center is leading the search for technically
> savvy volunteers who can help in two ways - at the shelters in
> implementing Windows and Cisco systems for the volunteers and people
> living there, and at Red Cross headquarters in the Washington DC area
> to improve the implementation of security software tools that have  
> been
> implemented but are not fully exploited.  Here's how you can help.
>
> 1. People who live near the shelters (or who could get there and who
> have family/friends with whom you could stay), and who have lots of
> experience deploying Windows XP and/or Cisco systems, please register
> your willingness to help at
>
> http://isc.sans.org/volunteers
> The Red Cross will contact you directly.
>
> 2. People in the Washington DC area (or who could get here quickly)  
> and
> would volunteer to help, and who have substantial experience with any
> of the following:
>
>    -- tuning Cisco IDS
>    -- tuning NetIQ Manager
>    -- tuning McAfee ePolicy Orchestrator
>
> please do two things:
> a. register at http://isc.sans.org/volunteers and
> b. send me an email at paller at sans.org telling me which tool you know
> well and how available and close you are so I can set up a contact for
> you.
>
> SANS is also donating $100,000 to the Red Cross, and we learned today
> that at least one leading security vendor, TippingPoint, has  
> offered to
> give the Red Cross the equipment they need to protect their networks -
> without asking for compensation.
>
> If you know of people or companies in the IT or security field who are
> trying to make a difference in the recovery effort, please let us know
> what you or they are doing (Email paller at sans.org).
>
>                                 Alan
>



From steve.rieger  Wed Sep  7 14:26:48 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:26:48 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] way off topic
Message-ID: <47F66632-4C5E-4B80-8892-BC30A8BF33B2@tbwachiat.com>

can somebody point me to an officer of this group please.

--
Steve Rieger
AIM chozrim
ICQ 53956607
Cell 646 335 8915
steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com




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From dan  Wed Sep  7 14:38:40 2005
From: dan (Dan Langille)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:38:40 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] way off topic
In-Reply-To: <47F66632-4C5E-4B80-8892-BC30A8BF33B2@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <431EFB70.9945.3BEB8849@localhost>

On 7 Sep 2005 at 14:26, Steve Rieger wrote:

> can somebody point me to an officer of this group please.

Could you be more specific please?
-- 
Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/
BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/





From mspitzer  Wed Sep  7 15:00:39 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:00:39 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] way off topic
In-Reply-To: <47F66632-4C5E-4B80-8892-BC30A8BF33B2@tbwachiat.com>
References: <47F66632-4C5E-4B80-8892-BC30A8BF33B2@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c305090712003ba399f1@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/7/05, Steve Rieger <steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com> wrote:
> can somebody point me to an officer of this group please.
> 

Umm to the best of my knowledge we do not have officers, real elected 
officers.  What we have is people who do work, this is just a
statement of fact.  In fact we do not have the structure to even have
officers.  So we have no one empowered to "manage" us.

Would you feel ok with giving some, possibly vague, details about the
problem here?

marc

ps if you want to give us large sums of money we can make some
officers up.  But some how I do not think that is the reason for the
email, drat.

-- 
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From scottro  Wed Sep  7 15:25:00 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:25:00 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] way off topic
In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c305090712003ba399f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47F66632-4C5E-4B80-8892-BC30A8BF33B2@tbwachiat.com>
	<8c50a3c305090712003ba399f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050907192500.GB19951@uws1.starlofashions.com>

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On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 03:00:39PM -0400, Marc Spitzer wrote:
> On 9/7/05, Steve Rieger <steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com> wrote:
> > can somebody point me to an officer of this group please.
> > 
> 
> Umm to the best of my knowledge we do not have officers, real elected 
> officers.  What we have is people who do work, this is just a
> statement of fact.  In fact we do not have the structure to even have
> officers.  So we have no one empowered to "manage" us.
> 
> Would you feel ok with giving some, possibly vague, details about the
> problem here?
> 
> marc
> 
> ps if you want to give us large sums of money we can make some
> officers up.  But some how I do not think that is the reason for the
> email, drat.

If that is the reason, I would like to volunteer to become an officer.
:)



- -- 

Scott

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From lists  Wed Sep  7 15:38:54 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:38:54 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] way off topic
In-Reply-To: <47F66632-4C5E-4B80-8892-BC30A8BF33B2@tbwachiat.com>
References: <47F66632-4C5E-4B80-8892-BC30A8BF33B2@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <20050907153854.74bd9222@genoverly.com>

On Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:26:48 -0400
Steve Rieger <steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com> wrote:

> can somebody point me to an officer of this group please.

I'm taking care of it, thanks.


Michael



From mspitzer  Thu Sep  8 10:53:15 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:53:15 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] dtrace for freebsd
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30509080753cb5b910@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Developer_aims_for_Dtrace_on_FreeBSD/0,2000061733,39210618,00.htm

Got it from slashdot

marc
-- 
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From nomadlogic  Thu Sep  8 11:11:19 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:11:19 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] dtrace for freebsd
In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30509080753cb5b910@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c50a3c30509080753cb5b910@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57d710000509080811ad58d51@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/8/05, Marc Spitzer <mspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Developer_aims_for_Dtrace_on_FreeBSD/0,2000061733,39210618,00.htm



wow that's pretty awesome. i have not had a chance to play with it yet on 
solaris, i have read up on what it's supposed to do and how easy it is to do 
it. has anyone here worked with dtrace?

-pete



-- 
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
NYC's *BSD User Group
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From bschonhorst  Thu Sep  8 18:25:48 2005
From: bschonhorst (Brad Schonhorst)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:25:48 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Volunteer Needed- flyers for NYCBSDCon
Message-ID: <32CE629B-A3C4-4039-B50F-BCA9C3D01D79@vcsnyc.org>

Anyone want to donate a little time to the NYCBSDCon that is fast  
approaching?  Someone is needed to create a flyer or program for the  
event.  As far as I understand, the website would be the best source  
for  the schedule.

http://www.nycbsdcon.org/

-Brad



From george  Thu Sep  8 18:31:35 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:31:35 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Volunteer Needed- flyers for NYCBSDCon
In-Reply-To: <32CE629B-A3C4-4039-B50F-BCA9C3D01D79@vcsnyc.org>
References: <32CE629B-A3C4-4039-B50F-BCA9C3D01D79@vcsnyc.org>
Message-ID: <4320BBC7.50702@sddi.net>

Brad Schonhorst wrote:
> Anyone want to donate a little time to the NYCBSDCon that is fast  
> approaching?  Someone is needed to create a flyer or program for the  
> event.  As far as I understand, the website would be the best source  
> for  the schedule.
> 
> http://www.nycbsdcon.org/

Actually, .ike took this on. . .

thanks anyway.

g



From ike  Thu Sep  8 19:01:37 2005
From: ike (Isaac Levy)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:01:37 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Volunteer Needed- flyers for NYCBSDCon
In-Reply-To: <32CE629B-A3C4-4039-B50F-BCA9C3D01D79@vcsnyc.org>
References: <32CE629B-A3C4-4039-B50F-BCA9C3D01D79@vcsnyc.org>
Message-ID: <9D3FD8E8-6AB8-40F8-AA55-63DEE9FEF4C3@lesmuug.org>

Hi Brad,

On Sep 8, 2005, at 6:25 PM, Brad Schonhorst wrote:

> Anyone want to donate a little time to the NYCBSDCon that is fast  
> approaching?  Someone is needed to create a flyer or program for  
> the event.  As far as I understand, the website would be the best  
> source for  the schedule.
>
> http://www.nycbsdcon.org/

I appreciate your time with this here, but I've picked this up last  
night, and am taking care of it tonight- all is sorted out AOK.

--
To any volunteer who may have taken time with this- email me directly  
if you want to get involved!

Best,
.ike





From vertigo  Fri Sep  9 10:13:50 2005
From: vertigo (Vertigo)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:13:50 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] apology
Message-ID: <20050909141350.GB2007@abbott.setec.org>

All,

As it is long overdue, I will keep this short.  I apologize to anyone
on the list who was offended by my previous comment.  My sarcastic
snipe criticizing the commoditization taking place within the I.T. 
labor market was never intended to be a racist one.

Sincerely,

Vertigo

-- 
"In the outside world, all forms of intelligence, whether of sound or 
sight, have been reduced to the form of varying currents in an electric
circuit in order that they may be transmitted."

                                           --Vannevar Bush, 1945



From mickey  Fri Sep  9 10:17:36 2005
From: mickey (Michael Shalayeff)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:17:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] apology
In-Reply-To: <20050909141350.GB2007@abbott.setec.org> from Vertigo at "Sep 9, 
	2005 10:13:50 am"
Message-ID: <200509091417.j89EHagw003948@lucifier.net>

Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from Vertigo:
> All,
> 
> As it is long overdue, I will keep this short.  I apologize to anyone
> on the list who was offended by my previous comment.  My sarcastic
> snipe criticizing the commoditization taking place within the I.T. 
> labor market was never intended to be a racist one.

oh kamon!
this is not how this kind of threads supposed to end!
you have to mention nazis and jews and absolutely must
refer to hitler and then the thread can rest in peace!

cu

-- 
    paranoic mickey       (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)



From jpb  Fri Sep  9 16:21:33 2005
From: jpb (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:21:33 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] CPA recommendations anyone?
Message-ID: <20050909202133.GA82837@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>


Hi-

I'm involved with some folks starting a business and we're
looking for a good accountant/CPA who understands non-profit
organizations.  NYC metro area preferred.

Please reply off list.

Thanks and Best Regards,
Jim B.





From lists  Sat Sep 10 12:28:35 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:28:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
Message-ID: <20050910122249.B14380@zoraida.natserv.net>

Recently upon upgrading aterm from ports to 1.0 had several problems and 
issues. Figured I would look for an alternative.

Tried mrxvt and must say I am very happy and impressed.
* Uses less memory than the aterm 1.0 port
* Tabbed support
* Each additional tab takes significantly less resources than opening a 
brand new window to the difference of a couple hundred KBs versus a couple 
of MBs
* Easy to switch between tabs

Seems to have most/all of the features aterm has although a couple of 
configuration names in .Xdefaults were different, but that was minor.

Definitely worth a try.



From sequethin  Sat Sep 10 12:37:16 2005
From: sequethin (Mike Hernandez)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:37:16 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
In-Reply-To: <20050910122249.B14380@zoraida.natserv.net>
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On 9/10/05, Francisco Reyes <lists at natserv.com> wrote:
> Tried mrxvt and must say I am very happy and impressed.

Yeah I've been an mrxvt fan for a while now. It's great! I wish the
developer had more time to work on it though =/

Mike



From scottro  Sat Sep 10 13:50:56 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:50:56 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
In-Reply-To: <20050910122249.B14380@zoraida.natserv.net>
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On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 12:28:35PM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote:
> Recently upon upgrading aterm from ports to 1.0 had several problems and 
> issues. Figured I would look for an alternative.
> 
> Tried mrxvt and must say I am very happy and impressed.
> * Uses less memory than the aterm 1.0 port
> * Tabbed support
> * Each additional tab takes significantly less resources than opening a brand 
> new window to the difference of a couple hundred KBs versus a couple of MBs
> * Easy to switch between tabs
> 
> Seems to have most/all of the features aterm has although a couple of 
> configuration names in .Xdefaults were different, but that was minor.

Hrrm, apparently no support for unicode or i18n.  For me, this can be a
problem, as I need Japanese from time to time. 


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They give you credit just for speaking it, right?
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From sequethin  Sat Sep 10 14:14:51 2005
From: sequethin (Mike Hernandez)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:14:51 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
In-Reply-To: <20050910175056.GA66750@mail.scottro.net>
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On 9/10/05, Scott Robbins <scottro at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> Hrrm, apparently no support for unicode or i18n.  For me, this can be a
> problem, as I need Japanese from time to time.

On the home page it says " + XIM and multi-languages
(Chinese/Korea/Japanese) suppport "... does that not work? I don't
speak either but it's nice to know if someone is lying ;)

Mike



From scottro  Sat Sep 10 14:40:10 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:40:10 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
In-Reply-To: <3060c23905091011144f104fad@mail.gmail.com>
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	<20050910175056.GA66750@mail.scottro.net>
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On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 02:14:51PM -0400, Mike Hernandez wrote:
> On 9/10/05, Scott Robbins <scottro at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> > Hrrm, apparently no support for unicode or i18n.  For me, this can be a
> > problem, as I need Japanese from time to time.
> 
> On the home page it says " + XIM and multi-languages
> (Chinese/Korea/Japanese) suppport "... does that not work? I don't
> speak either but it's nice to know if someone is lying ;)


Hrm, I saw the i18n and unicode on the todo list. 

I have to run out, but I'll check it when I come back. I tried it with
scim-anthy, and no luck, however.


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Scott Robbins

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sense, the church approved. 

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From scottro  Sat Sep 10 16:23:20 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:23:20 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
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On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 02:40:10PM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 02:14:51PM -0400, Mike Hernandez wrote:
> > On 9/10/05, Scott Robbins <scottro at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Hrrm, apparently no support for unicode or i18n.  For me, this can be a
> > > problem, as I need Japanese from time to time.
> > 
> > On the home page it says " + XIM and multi-languages
> > (Chinese/Korea/Japanese) suppport "... does that not work? I don't
> > speak either but it's nice to know if someone is lying ;)
> 
> 
> Hrm, I saw the i18n and unicode on the todo list. 
> 
> I have to run out, but I'll check it when I come back. I tried it with
> scim-anthy, and no luck, however.
> 

Ok, checked it out and I had to hack the Makefile, adding a few
CONFIGURE_ARGS.  However, it does seem that one has to use euc at the
moment, not UTF-8.  

Still, it should cover my needs.  I wonder if I should add this to my
Japanese page. 

After adding the arguments and reinstalling, 
??????????????????

(That will only be legible if you have EUC encoding.)  At any rate, it's
Japanese, written in mutt, using vim in an mrxvt terminal.  :)




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Scott Robbins

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Willow: Oh. Sorry. The reflection thing that you don't have...Angel,
how do you
shave?
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From spork  Sat Sep 10 17:09:34 2005
From: spork (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:09:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] RaqDevil
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0509101709220.361@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

Spotted on OSNews:

http://www.raqdevil.com/

>From OffMyServer comes a port of the Raq software to FreeBSD.  I'm wondering 
how well this would work in a jail - having a bunch of these on one box would 
be interesting.

Charles




From bob  Sat Sep 10 17:27:17 2005
From: bob (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:27:17 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
In-Reply-To: <20050910184010.GA82301@mail.scottro.net>
References: <20050910122249.B14380@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<20050910175056.GA66750@mail.scottro.net>
	<3060c23905091011144f104fad@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050910184010.GA82301@mail.scottro.net>
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On Sep 10, 2005, at 11:40 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:

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> On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 02:14:51PM -0400, Mike Hernandez wrote:
>
>> On 9/10/05, Scott Robbins <scottro at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hrrm, apparently no support for unicode or i18n.  For me, this  
>>> can be a
>>> problem, as I need Japanese from time to time.
>>>
>>
>> On the home page it says " + XIM and multi-languages
>> (Chinese/Korea/Japanese) suppport "... does that not work? I don't
>> speak either but it's nice to know if someone is lying ;)
>>
>
>
> Hrm, I saw the i18n and unicode on the todo list.
>
> I have to run out, but I'll check it when I come back. I tried it with
> scim-anthy, and no luck, however.

Well, i18n would mean that the application itself is available in  
other languages.  All you really need is codec support...

-bob




From scottro  Sat Sep 10 17:51:52 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:51:52 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
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	<20050910175056.GA66750@mail.scottro.net>
	<3060c23905091011144f104fad@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050910184010.GA82301@mail.scottro.net>
	<DF89A74E-CFF8-496C-9D4A-85834FAE3F45@redivi.com>
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On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 02:27:17PM -0700, Bob Ippolito wrote:
> 
> On Sep 10, 2005, at 11:40 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> 
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> >On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 02:14:51PM -0400, Mike Hernandez wrote:
> >
> >>On 9/10/05, Scott Robbins <scottro at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hrrm, apparently no support for unicode or i18n.  For me, this can be a
> >>>problem, as I need Japanese from time to time.
> >>>
> >>
> >>On the home page it says " + XIM and multi-languages
> >>(Chinese/Korea/Japanese) suppport "... does that not work? I don't
> >>speak either but it's nice to know if someone is lying ;)
> >>
> >
> >
> >Hrm, I saw the i18n and unicode on the todo list.
> >
> >I have to run out, but I'll check it when I come back. I tried it with
> >scim-anthy, and no luck, however.
> 
> Well, i18n would mean that the application itself is available in other 
> languages.  All you really need is codec support...
> 
Actually, as I posted, I got it working. I figure I'll drop the
maintainer an email with a patch, see if he's interested, and if not,
put the patch on my Japanese in *nix page.

Unfortunately, however, as UTF-8 is supposedly becoming the de facto
standard, I can only get it working with EUC.


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Scott Robbins

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impulsive.
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slept
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the demon
that wears his face is killing my friends. The next impulsive decision
I make will
be my choice of dentures.
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From jbaltz  Sun Sep 11 15:19:29 2005
From: jbaltz (Jerry B. Altzman)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:19:29 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] mysql 4.1 and mysql 5.0 from ports
Message-ID: <43248341.90908@3phasecomputing.com>

Hiya,

I'm working on a FreeBSD 5.3 box:
> jbaltz at ns2$ uname -a
> FreeBSD ns2.greenseek.net 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Fri Nov  5 04:19:18 UTC 2004     root at harlow.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386

It's already got mysql4.1 installed from ports:
> jbaltz at ns2$ pkg_info | grep mysql
> mysql-client-4.1.13 Multithreaded SQL database (client)
> mysql-server-4.1.13 Multithreaded SQL database (server)
> php4-mysql-4.4.0    The mysql shared extension for php

I'd like to install mysql5.0 for a 'test run' of something, from ports, 
and...
> jbaltz at ns2$ sudo make
> ===>  mysql-server-5.0.9_1 is marked as broken: MySQL versions mismatch: mysql41-client is installed and wanted version is mysql50-client.
> jbaltz at ns2$

ugh.
same results for 'make fetch', or any other make target.

What did I do wrong?

//jbaltz
-- 
jerry b. altzman  jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com  +1 718 763 7405



From lists  Sun Sep 11 20:32:33 2005
From: lists (Francisco Reyes)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:32:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
In-Reply-To: <20050910175056.GA66750@mail.scottro.net>
References: <20050910122249.B14380@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<20050910175056.GA66750@mail.scottro.net>
Message-ID: <20050911203210.L31404@zoraida.natserv.net>

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005, Scott Robbins wrote:

> Hrrm, apparently no support for unicode or i18n.  For me, this can be a
> problem, as I need Japanese from time to time.

You could use it, for the times that you don't need it. :-)



From scottro  Sun Sep 11 20:48:09 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:48:09 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
In-Reply-To: <20050911203210.L31404@zoraida.natserv.net>
References: <20050910122249.B14380@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<20050910175056.GA66750@mail.scottro.net>
	<20050911203210.L31404@zoraida.natserv.net>
Message-ID: <20050912004809.GB7521@mail.scottro.net>

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On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 08:32:33PM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005, Scott Robbins wrote:
> 
> >Hrrm, apparently no support for unicode or i18n.  For me, this can be a
> >problem, as I need Japanese from time to time.
> 
> You could use it, for the times that you don't need it. :-)


Sigh, you've not been religiously reading my follow up posts.  :)

I've already sent the maintainer a patch, so I'll see if he finds it
worth including.


- -- 

Scott Robbins

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From nomadlogic  Sun Sep 11 21:25:55 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:25:55 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] mysql 4.1 and mysql 5.0 from ports
In-Reply-To: <43248341.90908@3phasecomputing.com>
References: <43248341.90908@3phasecomputing.com>
Message-ID: <57d7100005091118251cc04d89@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/11/05, Jerry B. Altzman <jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com> wrote:
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> I'm working on a FreeBSD 5.3 box:
> > jbaltz at ns2$ uname -a
> > FreeBSD ns2.greenseek.net <http://ns2.greenseek.net> 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 
> 5.3-RELEASE #0: Fri Nov 5 04:19:18 UTC 2004 root at harlow.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC 
> i386
> 
> It's already got mysql4.1 installed from ports:
> > jbaltz at ns2$ pkg_info | grep mysql
> > mysql-client-4.1.13 Multithreaded SQL database (client)
> > mysql-server-4.1.13 Multithreaded SQL database (server)
> > php4-mysql-4.4.0 The mysql shared extension for php
> 
> I'd like to install mysql5.0 for a 'test run' of something, from ports,
> and...
> > jbaltz at ns2$ sudo make
> > ===> mysql-server-5.0.9_1 is marked as broken: MySQL versions mismatch: 
> mysql41-client is installed and wanted version is mysql50-client.
> > jbaltz at ns2$
> 
> ugh.
> same results for 'make fetch', or any other make target.
> 
> What did I do wrong?


have you tried cvsup'ing your ports tree? according to
freshports.org<http://freshports.org>mysql-server is at version
5.0.12, not 5.0.9_1:
http://www.freshports.org/databases/mysql50-server/

-pete




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From jbaltz  Mon Sep 12 11:21:13 2005
From: jbaltz (Jerry B. Altzman)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:21:13 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: noisy servers
Message-ID: <43259CE9.9050301@3phasecomputing.com>

hi all

apologies for the off-topic post.

I picked up off of eBay a very nice dual-proc P3 system.
Alas, I did not know the size ahead of time; it turns out to be 26" deep 
(by 19" by 1u) and my little cabinet is only 24" deep...so I've got a 
very noisy machine (which runs FreeBSD 5.4 like a CHAMP, by the way) 
that I'm loathe to use because, well, it's just so damn NOISY.

Does anyone know of any reasonable ways to help dampen the sound?
(I've already tried "turn it off". That works, but is sub-optimal as a 
solution.)

Thanks.

//jbaltz
-- 
jerry b. altzman  jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com  +1 718 763 7405



From mickey  Mon Sep 12 11:24:36 2005
From: mickey (Michael Shalayeff)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:24:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: noisy servers
In-Reply-To: <43259CE9.9050301@3phasecomputing.com> from "Jerry B. Altzman" at
	"Sep 12, 2005 11:21:13 am"
Message-ID: <200509121524.j8CFOaxd020222@lucifier.net>

Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from Jerry B. Altzman:
[Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]
> hi all
> 
> apologies for the off-topic post.
> 
> I picked up off of eBay a very nice dual-proc P3 system.
> Alas, I did not know the size ahead of time; it turns out to be 26" deep 
> (by 19" by 1u) and my little cabinet is only 24" deep...so I've got a 
> very noisy machine (which runs FreeBSD 5.4 like a CHAMP, by the way) 
> that I'm loathe to use because, well, it's just so damn NOISY.
> 
> Does anyone know of any reasonable ways to help dampen the sound?
> (I've already tried "turn it off". That works, but is sub-optimal as a 
> solution.)

get one of those comfy wool blankets and wrap
it gently around the box...

cu

-- 
    paranoic mickey       (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)



From marco  Mon Sep 12 11:33:21 2005
From: marco (Marco Scoffier)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:33:21 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: noisy servers
In-Reply-To: <43259CE9.9050301@3phasecomputing.com>
References: <43259CE9.9050301@3phasecomputing.com>
Message-ID: <20050912153321.GA17999@ns.metm.org>

On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:21:13AM -0400, Jerry B. Altzman wrote:
>hi all
>
>apologies for the off-topic post.
>
>I picked up off of eBay a very nice dual-proc P3 system.
>Alas, I did not know the size ahead of time; it turns out to be 26" deep 
>(by 19" by 1u) and my little cabinet is only 24" deep...so I've got a 
>very noisy machine (which runs FreeBSD 5.4 like a CHAMP, by the way) 
>that I'm loathe to use because, well, it's just so damn NOISY.
>
>Does anyone know of any reasonable ways to help dampen the sound?
>(I've already tried "turn it off". That works, but is sub-optimal as a 
>solution.)
>

I had a similar problem.  I replaced every fan in the box with silent
ones, including one in the powersupply, it makes a _huge_ difference.

http://tinyurl.com/bbtwh

Fan sizes are standard.  Only problem is the SCSI disks are loud, so I
can hear emails come in late at night.

-- 
Marco



From jvanasco  Mon Sep 12 11:36:23 2005
From: jvanasco (Jonathan Vanasco)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:36:23 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: noisy servers
In-Reply-To: <200509121524.j8CFOaxd020222@lucifier.net>
References: <200509121524.j8CFOaxd020222@lucifier.net>
Message-ID: <30ee23160bffc5fe2661aaa13000b588@mastersofbranding.com>


Most of the sound comes off of the fans.. so replace them with low 
noise equivalents

That means:
	low noise chassis fans
	low noise power supply
	low noise cpu fans

Sound also comes off of the chassis - people make 'low noise' chassis 
that reverb/echo and rattle less




On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:24 AM, Michael Shalayeff wrote:
>> Does anyone know of any reasonable ways to help dampen the sound?
>> (I've already tried "turn it off". That works, but is sub-optimal as a
>> solution.)




From alex  Mon Sep 12 11:48:25 2005
From: alex (alex at pilosoft.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:48:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: noisy servers
In-Reply-To: <43259CE9.9050301@3phasecomputing.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0509121146410.6212-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Jerry B. Altzman wrote:

> Does anyone know of any reasonable ways to help dampen the sound? (I've
> already tried "turn it off". That works, but is sub-optimal as a
> solution.)
Put servers where they belong, in a colo facility. Face it, you really 
don't need a dual P3 at home.

(Not to mention that dual P3 in 2005 is B-game).

-alex




From scottro  Mon Sep 12 15:05:08 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:05:08 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
In-Reply-To: <20050912143808.N4239@zoraida.natserv.net>
References: <20050910122249.B14380@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<20050910175056.GA66750@mail.scottro.net>
	<20050911203210.L31404@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<20050912004809.GB7521@mail.scottro.net>
	<20050912143808.N4239@zoraida.natserv.net>
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On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 02:39:04PM -0400, Francisco wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005, Scott Robbins wrote:
> 
> >Sigh, you've not been religiously reading my follow up posts.  :)
> >I've already sent the maintainer a patch, so I'll see if he finds it
> >worth including.
> 
> 
> I did.. however i usually read messages sequentially.. oldest first.. saw your 
> info about the patches after I had sent the email.


This could easily turn into a bikeshed discussion, but I'm finding that
it's often easier for me to do it the way I always have, with several
terminals open.  


On the other hand, there are times when I'm doing things on more than
one server at a time.  At times like that, the being able to give each
tab its own title is quite handy, I'm getting to like it.  




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From sequethin  Mon Sep 12 15:07:35 2005
From: sequethin (Mike Hernandez)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:07:35 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
In-Reply-To: <20050912190508.GA35262@uws1.starlofashions.com>
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Scott said:
> On the other hand, there are times when I'm doing things on more than
> one server at a time.  At times like that, the being able to give each
> tab its own title is quite handy, I'm getting to like it.

screen + multiple tabs ? Does it get better? I submit to you that it cannot! =-)


Mike



From scottro  Mon Sep 12 15:16:45 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:16:45 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
In-Reply-To: <3060c23905091212077a1cdb05@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 03:07:35PM -0400, Mike Hernandez wrote:
> Scott said:
> > On the other hand, there are times when I'm doing things on more than
> > one server at a time.  At times like that, the being able to give each
> > tab its own title is quite handy, I'm getting to like it.
> 
> screen + multiple tabs ? Does it get better? I submit to you that it cannot! =-)


I'm confused.  How do you do tabs on screen (he types before rechecking
the screen man page).  I always use it in console, and as I think I've
mentioned ALWAYS #$!#ng forget to title the screen.  

Or do you mean using a tabbed xterm with screen?  Argh, I'd lose track
of that VERY quickly.  :)


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From sequethin  Mon Sep 12 15:21:49 2005
From: sequethin (Mike Hernandez)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:21:49 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
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	<20050912191645.GB35345@uws1.starlofashions.com>
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 > I'm confused.  How do you do tabs on screen (he types before rechecking
> the screen man page).  I always use it in console, and as I think I've
> mentioned ALWAYS #$!#ng forget to title the screen.
> 
> Or do you mean using a tabbed xterm with screen?  Argh, I'd lose track
> of that VERY quickly.  :)

I'm thinking multiple tabs... one tab per server...  screen running on
each, so you can have multiple shells on one server,  each server has
it's own tab, so it's quite organized so long as you have your
hostname in your prompt or some other method of distinguishing each.
Still helps to have multiple terminal windows open (x windows, not
screen windows) if you need to view one thing while workin on another,
etc...

Mike



From max  Mon Sep 12 15:28:26 2005
From: max (max)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:28:26 -0500
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: noisy servers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0509121146410.6212-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
References: <43259CE9.9050301@3phasecomputing.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0509121146410.6212-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
Message-ID: <20050912192826.GA16666@neuropunks.org>

Speaking of servers.
Anyone want to trade (trade + cash?) a 1U Sun Netra T1 105, 440mhz, 512M ram, 2 18gig scsi disks and 2 nic's for something x86 based? 
In my ideal world, something like a 1U p4 with 512megs ram, cdrom, and onboard nic/video and a decent power supply to support 2 hd's and a pretty decent constant system load.
I have plenty of disks I can put in there, so i dont care what storage it has, as long as its ide.
My plan is to get a new server on ebay and sell this one, but that takes time, and if anyone is interested and has something they can offer, let me know.
Just in case, I attached dmesg from the machine.
If you are interested, let me know offlist, but if we agree on something, it will take me a couple of days to get all the data off the box properly, setup a temp backup, and wipe the machine..

Please respond offlist..

thank you!

On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 11:48:25AM -0400, alex at pilosoft.com wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Jerry B. Altzman wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know of any reasonable ways to help dampen the sound? (I've
> > already tried "turn it off". That works, but is sub-optimal as a
> > solution.)
> Put servers where they belong, in a colo facility. Face it, you really 
> don't need a dual P3 at home.
> 
> (Not to mention that dual P3 in 2005 is B-game).
> 
> -alex
> 
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From scottro  Mon Sep 12 15:29:20 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:29:20 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
In-Reply-To: <3060c23905091212215828ff1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050910122249.B14380@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<20050910175056.GA66750@mail.scottro.net>
	<20050911203210.L31404@zoraida.natserv.net>
	<20050912004809.GB7521@mail.scottro.net>
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	<20050912190508.GA35262@uws1.starlofashions.com>
	<3060c23905091212077a1cdb05@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050912191645.GB35345@uws1.starlofashions.com>
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On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 03:21:49PM -0400, Mike Hernandez wrote:
>  > I'm confused.  How do you do tabs on screen (he types before rechecking
> > the screen man page).  I always use it in console, and as I think I've
> > mentioned ALWAYS #$!#ng forget to title the screen.
> > 
> > Or do you mean using a tabbed xterm with screen?  Argh, I'd lose track
> > of that VERY quickly.  :)
> 
> I'm thinking multiple tabs... one tab per server...  screen running on
> each, so you can have multiple shells on one server,  each server has
> it's own tab, so it's quite organized so long as you have your
> hostname in your prompt or some other method of distinguishing each.

Ahhh--I see.  Yes, that makes sense.  It would be organized, as long as
I remember to name each screen session. 



> Still helps to have multiple terminal windows open (x windows, not
> screen windows) if you need to view one thing while workin on another,
> etc...


That's one feature that would be nice--if one could detach the tab and 
drag it somewhere.   I wonder if some of the resource heavy tabbed terms do
that.  

Thanks for the clarification, it makes sense now.


- -- 

Scott

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From sequethin  Mon Sep 12 15:35:58 2005
From: sequethin (Mike Hernandez)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:35:58 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
In-Reply-To: <20050912192920.GA35496@uws1.starlofashions.com>
References: <20050910122249.B14380@zoraida.natserv.net>
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	<20050912004809.GB7521@mail.scottro.net>
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On 9/12/05, Scott Robbins <scottro at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> That's one feature that would be nice--if one could detach the tab and
> drag it somewhere.   I wonder if some of the resource heavy tabbed terms do
> that.

You know... I honestly haven't used gnome-terminal or konsole in so
long that I forget if that's possible =) Would awesome if mrxvt did
that. Come to think of it.. if you use fluxbox you can use it's
tabbing feature to join terms into one "window" and then separate them
when you need to. Hmm tabs of tabbed terminals... now that can get
confusing!



From scottro  Mon Sep 12 15:58:23 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:58:23 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mrxvt
In-Reply-To: <3060c23905091212351cc7c151@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 03:35:58PM -0400, Mike Hernandez wrote:
> On 9/12/05, Scott Robbins <scottro at nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> > That's one feature that would be nice--if one could detach the tab and
> > drag it somewhere.   I wonder if some of the resource heavy tabbed terms do
> > that.
> 
> You know... I honestly haven't used gnome-terminal or konsole in so
> long that I forget if that's possible =) Would awesome if mrxvt did
> that. Come to think of it.. if you use fluxbox you can use it's
> tabbing feature to join terms into one "window" and then separate them
> when you need to. Hmm tabs of tabbed terminals... now that can get
> confusing!


Heh, I'm gonna shoot you--now I have the urge to try this.  (Yes I use
flux, but have never really made use of its tabbing.)


- -- 

Scott

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From spork  Tue Sep 13 02:24:41 2005
From: spork (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:24:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: noisy servers
In-Reply-To: <20050912153321.GA17999@ns.metm.org>
References: <43259CE9.9050301@3phasecomputing.com>
	<20050912153321.GA17999@ns.metm.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0509130222480.291@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Marco Scoffier wrote:

> I had a similar problem.  I replaced every fan in the box with silent
> ones, including one in the powersupply, it makes a _huge_ difference.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/bbtwh
>
> Fan sizes are standard.  Only problem is the SCSI disks are loud, so I
> can hear emails come in late at night.

Just be aware that many 1Us need loud, high-CFM fans to keep temperatures 
in check.  If you can find something with the same capacity to move air, 
but it's quieter, then no problem...  But usually quieter means that it 
moves less air.

C

> -- 
> Marco
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From george  Tue Sep 13 16:22:53 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:22:53 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: noisy servers
In-Reply-To: <30ee23160bffc5fe2661aaa13000b588@mastersofbranding.com>
References: <200509121524.j8CFOaxd020222@lucifier.net>
	<30ee23160bffc5fe2661aaa13000b588@mastersofbranding.com>
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On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:36 AM, Jonathan Vanasco wrote:


>
> Most of the sound comes off of the fans.. so replace them with low  
> noise equivalents
>
> That means:
>     low noise chassis fans
>     low noise power supply
>     low noise cpu fans
>
> Sound also comes off of the chassis - people make 'low noise'  
> chassis that reverb/echo and rattle less
>
>

put it in a colo, as you'll look forward to hearing it.

But don't visit when you have a bad hangover.

g




From steve.rieger  Tue Sep 13 16:51:42 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:51:42 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] route add help please
Message-ID: <159338FC-275F-4687-9B3B-1052630986C7@tbwachiat.com>

hi am not a network guru and could use some help

i want to make this permanent on a server that has an ip address of
bge0 192.168.254.220
bge1 10.30.30.220
i wanty all traffic running to 10.30.30.1


so the comand would be something along the lines of
route add 10.0.0.0 mask 255.0.0.0 10.30.30.1 -p

but i do not know the exact syntax, can one of you gods please  
enlighten me.


thanx


--
Steve Rieger
AIM chozrim
ICQ 53956607
Cell 646 335 8915
steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com





From josh  Tue Sep 13 16:59:48 2005
From: josh (Josh Rivel)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:59:48 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] route add help please
In-Reply-To: <159338FC-275F-4687-9B3B-1052630986C7@tbwachiat.com>
References: <159338FC-275F-4687-9B3B-1052630986C7@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <20050913205948.GC20639@freek.com>

Steve Rieger wrote...
> i want to make this permanent on a server that has an ip address of
> bge0 192.168.254.220
> bge1 10.30.30.220
> i wanty all traffic running to 10.30.30.1
> 
> 
> so the comand would be something along the lines of
> route add 10.0.0.0 mask 255.0.0.0 10.30.30.1 -p
> 
> but i do not know the exact syntax, can one of you gods please  
> enlighten me.

man route(8)

route add default 10.30.30.1

To make this change permanent:

Under OpenBSD:
(as root user) echo 10.30.30.1 > /etc/mygate

Under FreeBSD edit /etc/rc.conf (as root)
and put defaultrouter="10.30.30.1" in that file.

You didn't menation what OS you are running on this machine.

hth.
--
josh



From steve.rieger  Tue Sep 13 17:01:01 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:01:01 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] route add help please
In-Reply-To: <20050913205948.GC20639@freek.com>
References: <159338FC-275F-4687-9B3B-1052630986C7@tbwachiat.com>
	<20050913205948.GC20639@freek.com>
Message-ID: <99441C73-93C7-426D-928D-3D1B60A165CE@tbwachiat.com>


On Sep 13, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Josh Rivel wrote:

> Steve Rieger wrote...
>
> Under FreeBSD edit /etc/rc.conf (as root)
> and put defaultrouter="10.30.30.1" in that file.
>
> You didn't menation what OS you are running on this machine.
>
> hth.
> --
> josh
>

Fbsd 5.4

i have that in /etc/rc.conf

may i ask what is the difference between a default gateway and a  
default route.



From mickey  Tue Sep 13 17:01:49 2005
From: mickey (Michael Shalayeff)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:01:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] route add help please
In-Reply-To: <99441C73-93C7-426D-928D-3D1B60A165CE@tbwachiat.com> from Steve
	Rieger at "Sep 13, 2005 05:01:01 pm"
Message-ID: <200509132101.j8DL1nHV000675@lucifier.net>

Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from Steve Rieger:
> 
> On Sep 13, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Josh Rivel wrote:
> 
> > Steve Rieger wrote...
> >
> > Under FreeBSD edit /etc/rc.conf (as root)
> > and put defaultrouter="10.30.30.1" in that file.
> >
> > You didn't menation what OS you are running on this machine.
> >
> > hth.
> > --
> > josh
> >
> 
> Fbsd 5.4
> 
> i have that in /etc/rc.conf
> 
> may i ask what is the difference between a default gateway and a  
> default route.

default route points to the default gateway

cu

-- 
    paranoic mickey       (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)



From george  Tue Sep 13 18:22:41 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:22:41 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] route add help please
In-Reply-To: <99441C73-93C7-426D-928D-3D1B60A165CE@tbwachiat.com>
References: <159338FC-275F-4687-9B3B-1052630986C7@tbwachiat.com>
	<20050913205948.GC20639@freek.com>
	<99441C73-93C7-426D-928D-3D1B60A165CE@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <20050913222241.GB29527@sta.duo>

On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 05:01:01PM -0400, steve rieger wrote:
>
>On Sep 13, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Josh Rivel wrote:
>
>>Steve Rieger wrote...
>>
>>Under FreeBSD edit /etc/rc.conf (as root)
>>and put defaultrouter="10.30.30.1" in that file.

...the other ip looks like it might be by dhcp, which will set a
default route, it may be configurable not to do that or you may
need to change the order of you interface setup.

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From steve.rieger  Wed Sep 14 15:27:19 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:27:19 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] large file download via apache
Message-ID: <9D015D04-28CD-4077-A041-7C7BD7A17DB4@tbwachiat.com>

hi all on fbsd 5.4 smp

when trying to download a file thats about 1 gig in size the  
connnection gets dropped, no errors in apache other than "Undefinded  
index in filegetter.php "

and this does not happen to files that are even onnly a drop smaller

am assuming that i can change something in the kernel to allow large  
files to be read, if thats the case i printed out my sysctl buffer  
variables.


can somebody please poiunt me in the right direction


%sysctl -a | grep buf
kern.ipc.maxsockbuf: 262144
kern.ipc.sockbuf_waste_factor: 8
kern.ipc.nsfbufs: 6656
kern.ipc.nsfbufspeak: 3
kern.ipc.nsfbufsused: 0
cluster_save buffer     0     0K      1K    12439  32,64
    BIO buffer     9    12K    204K     1537  1024,2048
          sbuf     0     0K     13K      450   
16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096
        devbuf  1432  8462K   8462K     4249   
16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096
kern.msgbuf:
kern.msgbuf_clear: 0
kern.consmsgbuf_size: 8192
MbufClust:      2048,    25600,    593,    415, 423946637
Mbuf:            256,        0,    599,    556, 1398895769
vfs.nfs.bufpackets: 4
vfs.runningbufspace: 0
vfs.bufspace: 117211136
vfs.maxbufspace: 117932032
vfs.bufmallocspace: 12288
vfs.maxmallocbufspace: 5863833
vfs.lobufspace: 117211136
vfs.hibufspace: 117276672
vfs.bufreusecnt: 7154
vfs.buffreekvacnt: 0
vfs.bufdefragcnt: 0
vfs.dirtybufferflushes: 3790
vfs.altbufferflushes: 1
vfs.numdirtybuffers: 30
vfs.lodirtybuffers: 909
vfs.hidirtybuffers: 1819
vfs.dirtybufthresh: 1637
vfs.numfreebuffers: 7168
vfs.lofreebuffers: 404
vfs.hifreebuffers: 808
vfs.getnewbufcalls: 19042504
vfs.getnewbufrestarts: 0
vfs.reassignbufcalls: 39790296
debug.sizeof.buf: 436
debug.bpf_bufsize: 4096
debug.bpf_maxbufsize: 524288
security.bsd.unprivileged_read_msgbuf: 1




--
Steve Rieger
AIM chozrim
ICQ 53956607
Cell 646 335 8915
steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com





From nomadlogic  Wed Sep 14 15:34:33 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:34:33 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] large file download via apache
In-Reply-To: <9D015D04-28CD-4077-A041-7C7BD7A17DB4@tbwachiat.com>
References: <9D015D04-28CD-4077-A041-7C7BD7A17DB4@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <57d710000509141234134f5b5c@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/14/05, Steve Rieger <steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com> wrote:
> 
> hi all on fbsd 5.4 smp
> 
> when trying to download a file thats about 1 gig in size the
> connnection gets dropped, no errors in apache other than "Undefinded
> index in filegetter.php "
> 
> and this does not happen to files that are even onnly a drop smaller
> 
> am assuming that i can change something in the kernel to allow large
> files to be read, if thats the case i printed out my sysctl buffer
> variables.



I'm willing to bet that this is either an issue with the HTTP protocol, 
possibly a tunable in apache or maybe even PHP as your error seems to 
mention a PHP script (I know there is a tunable for apache and php script 
run time, maybe if you are attempting the download via a php script apache 
is killing the connection due to this limit. Just a wild guess though). 

To test if this is an OS issue, I would try copying the file via other 
protocols (ftp/ssh/rsync+ssh/etc) and see if the connection stalls.
-pete
-- 
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
NYC's *BSD User Group
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From okan  Wed Sep 14 15:36:31 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:36:31 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] large file download via apache
In-Reply-To: <9D015D04-28CD-4077-A041-7C7BD7A17DB4@tbwachiat.com>
References: <9D015D04-28CD-4077-A041-7C7BD7A17DB4@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <20050914193653.GB11052@nitrogen.khaoz.org>

On Wed 2005.09.14 at 15:27 -0400, Steve Rieger wrote:
> hi all on fbsd 5.4 smp
> 
> when trying to download a file thats about 1 gig in size the  
> connnection gets dropped, no errors in apache other than "Undefinded  
> index in filegetter.php "
> 
> and this does not happen to files that are even onnly a drop smaller
> 
> am assuming that i can change something in the kernel to allow large  
> files to be read, if thats the case i printed out my sysctl buffer  
> variables.
> 
> 
> can somebody please poiunt me in the right direction

swap?



From okan  Wed Sep 14 15:49:31 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:49:31 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] soekris 4801
Message-ID: <20050914194953.GA20534@nitrogen.khaoz.org>

hi all.

i have an extra soekris set which i recently bought for a client, but we
ended up with one left over. instead of letting it sit in my closet for
the next client, i'd rather offer it up.

all the prices are the 2-4 range from soekris' site (note, i'm selling
at the same price i paid):

net4801-50 + case + 12v/1.5a power supply ($233+$14 = $247)
vpn1401 mini-pci card for it ($65)
and i'll throw in the sandisk 512mb flash drive. (only used once -
installed openbsd thinking we'd use it for this project, but didn't)

let me know by thursday night the latest - i'll bring it to nycbsdcon.

hope to see *all* of you there.

cheers,
okan



From lists  Wed Sep 14 21:04:55 2005
From: lists (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:04:55 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] large file download via apache
In-Reply-To: <9D015D04-28CD-4077-A041-7C7BD7A17DB4@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1EFiBK3ERh-00049K@mrelay.perfora.net>



Steve Rieger scribbled on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 3:27 PM:
> hi all on fbsd 5.4 smp
> 
> when trying to download a file thats about 1 gig in size the
> connnection gets dropped, no errors in apache other than "Undefinded
> index in filegetter.php "
> 
> and this does not happen to files that are even onnly a drop smaller
> 
> am assuming that i can change something in the kernel to allow large
> files to be read, if thats the case i printed out my sysctl buffer
> variables.
> 
> 
> can somebody please poiunt me in the right direction

>From the error in the PHP file and PHP's default not to execute longer than
30 seconds, this is likely not a system problem.  As others suggested, try
another protocol to be sure.

Reconsider the PHP script, and for the heck of it right off the bat, try
increasing this:

http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.set-time-limit.php

That setting, however, is also dependent on how you're passing the file
through PHP (which I'm assuming you're doing).  A simple test would be to
put the file in a directory and download directly through Apache.  If it
succeeds, then you know it's a PHP config issue.


---
Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP
   www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com






From spork  Thu Sep 15 02:48:20 2005
From: spork (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:48:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYCBSDCON reminder/question
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0509150245160.291@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

Hi all,

Haven't seen much talk about this here lately, so I thought I'd just drop 
a reminder that the conference is this saturday.

As an attendee, I also have a question...  I really hope to be there in 
time, but there's a decent chance I'll probably miss the first session. 
Is there any problem getting in after the initial check-in?

Thanks,

C




From george  Thu Sep 15 06:35:03 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:35:03 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYCBSDCON reminder/question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0509150245160.291@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0509150245160.291@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
Message-ID: <18510C76-9F4C-4F7B-A5AB-FE3CF00A9103@sddi.net>


On Sep 15, 2005, at 2:48 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Haven't seen much talk about this here lately, so I thought I'd  
> just drop a reminder that the conference is this saturday.

Very true. . . I'll have to make sure I catch that flight back to New  
York tomorrow. . . <g>

>
> As an attendee, I also have a question...  I really hope to be  
> there in time, but there's a decent chance I'll probably miss the  
> first session. Is there any problem getting in after the initial  
> check-in?
>

We'll have things covered. . . we'll have at least one person there  
for registration at all times.

George



From lists  Thu Sep 15 08:36:18 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:36:18 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fw: Newsletter from O'Reilly
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From ike  Thu Sep 15 08:49:34 2005
From: ike (Isaac Levy)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:49:34 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Any more NYCBSDCon Volunteers?
Message-ID: <974B983B-4FDB-4D53-A72E-F158B6BF1121@lesmuug.org>

Hi All,

I'm the organizer in charge of the Volunteer staff at NYCBSDCon on  
Saturday, and I just wanted to email this list to see if there's  
anyone who'd like to volunteer, who did not receive my email this  
morning!

Just email me directly:

ike at lesmuug.org

--
Tasks in a nutshell:

+ 7am-8am, post flyers around campus
+ 8am-9am, help with registration, misc setup help
-- throughout the day, being available for misc. helper tasks
+ post-conference take-down, (minimal), and help getting groups of  
people to the after-party

If you don't get the email, and just want to help, approach me on  
Saturday!  I'm this guy:
http://dotike.net/ike

Thanks!  See you on Saturday!
.ike





From okan  Thu Sep 15 09:30:33 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:30:33 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] soekris 4801
In-Reply-To: <20050914194953.GA20534@nitrogen.khaoz.org>
References: <20050914194953.GA20534@nitrogen.khaoz.org>
Message-ID: <20050915133055.GC32107@nitrogen.khaoz.org>

On Wed 2005.09.14 at 15:49 -0400, Okan Demirmen wrote:
> hi all.
> 
> i have an extra soekris set which i recently bought for a client, but we
> ended up with one left over. instead of letting it sit in my closet for
> the next client, i'd rather offer it up.
> 
> all the prices are the 2-4 range from soekris' site (note, i'm selling
> at the same price i paid):
> 
> net4801-50 + case + 12v/1.5a power supply ($233+$14 = $247)
> vpn1401 mini-pci card for it ($65)
> and i'll throw in the sandisk 512mb flash drive. (only used once -
> installed openbsd thinking we'd use it for this project, but didn't)
> 
> let me know by thursday night the latest - i'll bring it to nycbsdcon.
> 
> hope to see *all* of you there.

ack! i should probably let you all know that the soekris stuff is spoken
for. thank you for all your responses and interest!

cheers,
okan



From nycbug  Thu Sep 15 10:21:11 2005
From: nycbug (Ray Lai)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:21:11 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Any more NYCBSDCon Volunteers?
In-Reply-To: <974B983B-4FDB-4D53-A72E-F158B6BF1121@lesmuug.org>
References: <974B983B-4FDB-4D53-A72E-F158B6BF1121@lesmuug.org>
Message-ID: <20050915142110.GB17911@syntax.cyth.net>

On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 08:49:34AM -0400, Isaac Levy wrote:
> If you don't get the email, and just want to help, approach me on  
> Saturday!  I'm this guy:
> http://dotike.net/ike

I think you meant http://dotike.net/ike.jpg

-Ray-



From ike  Thu Sep 15 12:32:04 2005
From: ike (Isaac Levy)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:32:04 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Any more NYCBSDCon Volunteers?
In-Reply-To: <20050915142110.GB17911@syntax.cyth.net>
References: <974B983B-4FDB-4D53-A72E-F158B6BF1121@lesmuug.org>
	<20050915142110.GB17911@syntax.cyth.net>
Message-ID: <D233CB3E-2001-4AAE-AA0A-287B572B070F@lesmuug.org>

On Sep 15, 2005, at 10:21 AM, Ray Lai wrote:

> I think you meant http://dotike.net/ike.jpg
>

http://dotike.net/ike.jpg

Yep, thanks Ray- :)

Rocket-
.ike





From steve.rieger  Thu Sep 15 20:24:49 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:24:49 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] large file download via apache
In-Reply-To: <57d710000509141234134f5b5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9D015D04-28CD-4077-A041-7C7BD7A17DB4@tbwachiat.com>
	<57d710000509141234134f5b5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <710E3553-8B81-46F9-86CF-FA673BA0E3CC@tbwachiat.com>

On Sep 14, 2005, at 12:34 PM, pete wright wrote:

>
>
> On 9/14/05, Steve Rieger <steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com> wrote:
> hi all on fbsd 5.4 smp
>
> when trying to download a file thats about 1 gig in size the
> connnection gets dropped, no errors in apache other than "Undefinded
> index in filegetter.php "
>
> and this does not happen to files that are even onnly a drop smaller
>
> am assuming that i can change something in the kernel to allow large
> files to be read, if thats the case i printed out my sysctl buffer
> variables.
>
>
> I'm willing to bet that this is either an issue with the HTTP  
> protocol, possibly a tunable in apache or maybe even PHP as your  
> error seems to mention a PHP script (I know there is a tunable for  
> apache and php script run time, maybe if you are attempting the  
> download via a php script apache is killing the connection due to  
> this limit.  Just a wild guess though).
>
> To test if this is an OS issue, I would try copying the file via  
> other protocols (ftp/ssh/rsync+ssh/etc) and see if the connection  
> stalls.
>
> -pete

ok i tested this via all and any other protocol i could and it all  
goes through, the error from above is because of the os not letting  
apache get a handle on this file because its too large, where would i  
start lokking at my sysctl (what parameters) to try to get this working.

NOTE this file is mounted via nfs.


thanx
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From okan  Thu Sep 15 20:58:01 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:58:01 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] large file download via apache
In-Reply-To: <710E3553-8B81-46F9-86CF-FA673BA0E3CC@tbwachiat.com>
References: <9D015D04-28CD-4077-A041-7C7BD7A17DB4@tbwachiat.com>
	<57d710000509141234134f5b5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<710E3553-8B81-46F9-86CF-FA673BA0E3CC@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <20050916005823.GB13793@nitrogen.khaoz.org>

On Thu 2005.09.15 at 17:24 -0700, Steve Rieger wrote:
> On Sep 14, 2005, at 12:34 PM, pete wright wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >On 9/14/05, Steve Rieger <steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com> wrote:
> >hi all on fbsd 5.4 smp
> >
> >when trying to download a file thats about 1 gig in size the
> >connnection gets dropped, no errors in apache other than "Undefinded
> >index in filegetter.php "
> >
> >and this does not happen to files that are even onnly a drop smaller
> >
> >am assuming that i can change something in the kernel to allow large
> >files to be read, if thats the case i printed out my sysctl buffer
> >variables.
> >
> >
> >I'm willing to bet that this is either an issue with the HTTP  
> >protocol, possibly a tunable in apache or maybe even PHP as your  
> >error seems to mention a PHP script (I know there is a tunable for  
> >apache and php script run time, maybe if you are attempting the  
> >download via a php script apache is killing the connection due to  
> >this limit.  Just a wild guess though).
> >
> >To test if this is an OS issue, I would try copying the file via  
> >other protocols (ftp/ssh/rsync+ssh/etc) and see if the connection  
> >stalls.
> >
> >-pete
> 
> ok i tested this via all and any other protocol i could and it all  
> goes through, the error from above is because of the os not letting  
> apache get a handle on this file because its too large, where would i  
> start lokking at my sysctl (what parameters) to try to get this working.
> 
> NOTE this file is mounted via nfs.

have you figured out which side is the problem?

is it the server, running freebsd+apache+php?

is it the client? (where is the is the tmp file going?)

okan



From nikolai.fetissov  Fri Sep 16 11:05:39 2005
From: nikolai.fetissov (Nikolai N. Fetissov)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:05:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Volunteers for audio recording at the conference
Message-ID: <1799.63.66.6.134.1126883139.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>

Hi folks,
I can't make it to the conference tomorrow.
Anybody wants to pick up on the voice recording
of the presentations?
Sorry for the short notice.
-- 
 nikolai



From max  Fri Sep 16 13:03:06 2005
From: max (Max Gribov)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:03:06 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Volunteers for audio recording at the conference
In-Reply-To: <1799.63.66.6.134.1126883139.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
References: <1799.63.66.6.134.1126883139.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>
Message-ID: <432AFACA.2050007@neuropunks.org>

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Hey all,
we are doing video recording, and we have wireless audio gear, so we
will have both video and audio recorded in one, most likely quicktime,
file.
We can split the audio track from the video track if neccessery, as
well as may be create podcasts?


Nikolai N. Fetissov wrote:

| Hi folks, I can't make it to the conference tomorrow. Anybody wants
| to pick up on the voice recording of the presentations? Sorry for
| the short notice.


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From steve.rieger  Fri Sep 16 14:25:29 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:25:29 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] large file download via apache (updated)
In-Reply-To: <710E3553-8B81-46F9-86CF-FA673BA0E3CC@tbwachiat.com>
References: <9D015D04-28CD-4077-A041-7C7BD7A17DB4@tbwachiat.com>
	<57d710000509141234134f5b5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<710E3553-8B81-46F9-86CF-FA673BA0E3CC@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <BE15E426-9768-434E-9C87-094AF5430F46@tbwachiat.com>

me thinks that me found the issue

Free Memory Pages is right about the size of when i can no longer  
download the files larger than this.

how would i go about increasing this to 1 gig, and is it recomended.

this server has 4 gigs of ram, scsi drives, etc....
uname -a

FreeBSD apache1.xxx.com 5.4-STABLE FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE #1: Mon Aug  1  
16:09:42 EDT 2005     sr at apache1.xxx.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/xxx- 
custom-smp  i386

%sysctl -a | grep -i memory
Virtual Memory:         (Total: 2928K, Active 474236K)
Real Memory:            (Total: 3155056K Active 72560K)
Shared Virtual Memory:  (Total: 36456K Active: 17528K)
Shared Real Memory:     (Total: 28084K Active: 13492K)
Free Memory Pages:      469848K
hw.cbb.start_memory: 2281701376
p1003_1b.memory_protection: 0
p1003_1b.shared_memory_objects: 1


--
Steve Rieger
AIM chozrim
ICQ 53956607
Cell 646 335 8915
steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com





From scottro  Fri Sep 16 16:19:24 2005
From: scottro (Scott Robbins)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:19:24 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] speaking of mrxvt
Message-ID: <20050916201924.GA36647@uws1.starlofashions.com>

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Well, for thsoe of you who botheerd following the thread, Francisco and
I (and others) discussed mrxvt and I mentioned that it had no Japanese
support which I found to be a minor nuisance.

So, not that it's a big deal but anyway, it now has Japanese support.  
<modest bow>

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/86202
- -- 

Scott

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Xander: The band, yeah. They're great. They march. 
Willow: Like an army. Except with music, instead of bullets, and 
usually no one dies. 

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From mspitzer  Fri Sep 16 17:38:03 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:38:03 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] large file download via apache (updated)
In-Reply-To: <BE15E426-9768-434E-9C87-094AF5430F46@tbwachiat.com>
References: <9D015D04-28CD-4077-A041-7C7BD7A17DB4@tbwachiat.com>
	<57d710000509141234134f5b5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<710E3553-8B81-46F9-86CF-FA673BA0E3CC@tbwachiat.com>
	<BE15E426-9768-434E-9C87-094AF5430F46@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30509161438223c9e3d@mail.gmail.com>

see if there is anything interesting when running 'ulimit -a' as the
apache user.

marc

On 9/16/05, Steve Rieger <steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com> wrote:
> me thinks that me found the issue
> 
> Free Memory Pages is right about the size of when i can no longer
> download the files larger than this.
> 
> how would i go about increasing this to 1 gig, and is it recomended.
> 
> this server has 4 gigs of ram, scsi drives, etc....
> uname -a
> 
> FreeBSD apache1.xxx.com 5.4-STABLE FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE #1: Mon Aug  1
> 16:09:42 EDT 2005     sr at apache1.xxx.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/xxx-
> custom-smp  i386
> 
> %sysctl -a | grep -i memory
> Virtual Memory:         (Total: 2928K, Active 474236K)
> Real Memory:            (Total: 3155056K Active 72560K)
> Shared Virtual Memory:  (Total: 36456K Active: 17528K)
> Shared Real Memory:     (Total: 28084K Active: 13492K)
> Free Memory Pages:      469848K
> hw.cbb.start_memory: 2281701376
> p1003_1b.memory_protection: 0
> p1003_1b.shared_memory_objects: 1
> 
> 
> --
> Steve Rieger
> AIM chozrim
> ICQ 53956607
> Cell 646 335 8915
> steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com
> 
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From george  Fri Sep 16 20:27:30 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:27:30 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Tomorrow: NYCBSDCon 2005
Message-ID: <432B62F2.2080804@sddi.net>

Looking forward to seeing everyone bright and early tomorrow.

Promptness is important tomorrow, since we have a very tight schedule.

We'll actually have people onsite *very* early to put up direction 
posters. (thanks .i)

I strongly encourage anyone with digital cameras to bring them.

Also, if anyone is blogging the event, let one of the organizers know.

George



From marco  Fri Sep 16 22:42:09 2005
From: marco (Marco Scoffier)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:42:09 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] PCCard and FreeBSD 5.4
Message-ID: <20050917024209.GB21991@ns.metm.org>

Sorry its late and you all are preparing to go to the NYCBSDCON early
tomorrow.  I'm trying to debug a laptop which will be embedded in an art
show tomorrow night using FreeBSD 5.4, wanted to get a package on there
and am now going crazy... :)

The PCCard ethernet card is a Linksys which should be supported by the
ed driver. 

from http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.4R/hardware-i386.html#ETHERNET
Linksys EtherFast 10/100 PC Card, Combo PCMCIA Ethernet Card (PCMPC100
V2)

so I 

enable_pccard = "YES" 

in rc.conf and the driver does not take control of the card, I just get
cardbus0: <network, ethernet> at device 0,0 (no driver attached)

Am I missing something.  Is there a way to try to force load the driver on
this card? 

Thanks,

I'll miss you guys tomorrow...

-- 
Marco



From marco  Fri Sep 16 22:45:48 2005
From: marco (Marco Scoffier)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:45:48 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] PCCard and FreeBSD 5.4
In-Reply-To: <20050917024209.GB21991@ns.metm.org>
References: <20050917024209.GB21991@ns.metm.org>
Message-ID: <20050917024548.GC21991@ns.metm.org>

On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:42:09PM -0400, Marco Scoffier wrote:
>
>enable_pccard = "YES" 
>
I meant : 

pccard_enable="YES" 

typing from memory.

-- 
Marco



From george  Sat Sep 17 06:17:03 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 06:17:03 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] PCCard and FreeBSD 5.4
In-Reply-To: <20050917024548.GC21991@ns.metm.org>
References: <20050917024209.GB21991@ns.metm.org>
	<20050917024548.GC21991@ns.metm.org>
Message-ID: <432BED1F.5050306@sddi.net>

Marco Scoffier wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 10:42:09PM -0400, Marco Scoffier wrote:
> 
>>enable_pccard = "YES" 
>>
> 
> I meant : 
> 
> pccard_enable="YES" 
> 
> typing from memory.
> 

look at /etc/defaults/pccard.conf

g



From hans.zaunere  Sat Sep 17 09:25:11 2005
From: hans.zaunere (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:25:11 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Live from NYCBSDCon
Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1EGcgo2Ix9-0004Wn@mrelay.perfora.net>


Good morning,

We're live at NYCBSDCon '05 from Columbia University.

Thanks to all those who could attend, and for those who couldn't make it,
watch our live stream from the conference:

http://neuropunks.org/nycbsdcon/

Hans Zaunere





From daggerquill  Sat Sep 17 15:51:22 2005
From: daggerquill (Jay Savage)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:51:22 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Live from NYCBSDCon
In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1EGcgo2Ix9-0004Wn@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0MKp2t-1EGcgo2Ix9-0004Wn@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <4ce365ec0509171251508627ce@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/17/05, Hans Zaunere <hans.zaunere at nyphp.com> wrote:
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> We're live at NYCBSDCon '05 from Columbia University.
> 
> Thanks to all those who could attend, and for those who couldn't make it,
> watch our live stream from the conference:
> 
> http://neuropunks.org/nycbsdcon/
> 
> Hans Zaunere
> 
> 

Liveblogging as well at opensource.weblogsinc.com as well if you don't
have audio.

Apologies in advance for the spelling on the fly...darkened the screen
to save the battery.

-- jay
--------------------------------------------------
This email and attachment(s): [  ] blogable; [ x ] ask first; [  ]
private and confidential

daggerquill [at] gmail [dot] com
http://www.tuaw.com  http://www.dpguru.com  http://www.engatiki.org

values of ? will give rise to dom!


From max  Sun Sep 18 00:03:04 2005
From: max (Max Gribov)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 00:03:04 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Live from NYCBSDCon
In-Reply-To: <4ce365ec0509171251508627ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0MKp2t-1EGcgo2Ix9-0004Wn@mrelay.perfora.net>
	<4ce365ec0509171251508627ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <432CE6F8.8050307@neuropunks.org>

Well, the day is over.
Enormous thanks to Angelos Stavrou, Columbia.edu, Nathan, Ike, George, 
Michael, Hans and everyone else who made this possible.
I owe you guys cigarettes : )

Archives will be edited and posted within a week or so and linked from 
nycbsdcon.org as well as nycbug.org

We had a great time working on this, I hope everyone had fun.

Nathan is my hero.

Hoping to see you all next year!

Jay Savage wrote:

>On 9/17/05, Hans Zaunere <hans.zaunere at nyphp.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Good morning,
>>
>>We're live at NYCBSDCon '05 from Columbia University.
>>
>>Thanks to all those who could attend, and for those who couldn't make it,
>>watch our live stream from the conference:
>>
>>http://neuropunks.org/nycbsdcon/
>>
>>Hans Zaunere
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Liveblogging as well at opensource.weblogsinc.com as well if you don't
>have audio.
>
>Apologies in advance for the spelling on the fly...darkened the screen
>to save the battery.
>
>-- jay
>--------------------------------------------------
>This email and attachment(s): [  ] blogable; [ x ] ask first; [  ]
>private and confidential
>
>daggerquill [at] gmail [dot] com
>http://www.tuaw.com  http://www.dpguru.com  http://www.engatiki.org
>
>values of ? will give rise to dom!
>  
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>_______________________________________________
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>http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>%Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
>%We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>  
>




From daggerquill  Sun Sep 18 00:50:39 2005
From: daggerquill (Jay Savage)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 00:50:39 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Great conference!
Message-ID: <4ce365ec050917215033e86c92@mail.gmail.com>

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who made today possible! By far
the best reason I've had to suffer the D train on a Saturday in a long
time. My only regret is that I didn't get to talk to more people (and
that I had other engagements during the postmortem).

Congrats to all involved, and many thanks to everyone who helped put
it together and everyone who presented. Special thanks, too, to Eric
Allman for stepping up at the las minute.

-- jay savage
--------------------------------------------------
This email and attachment(s): [  ] blogable; [ x ] ask first; [  ]
private and confidential

daggerquill [at] gmail [dot] com

http://www.tuaw.com  http://www.dpguru.com  
http://opensource.weblogsinc.com http://www.engatiki.org

values of ? will give rise to dom!


From trish  Sun Sep 18 17:06:31 2005
From: trish (Trish Lynch)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:06:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Great conference!
In-Reply-To: <4ce365ec050917215033e86c92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ce365ec050917215033e86c92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050918170215.B96305@ultra.bsdunix.net>

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005, Jay Savage wrote:

> Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who made today possible! By far
> the best reason I've had to suffer the D train on a Saturday in a long
> time. My only regret is that I didn't get to talk to more people (and
> that I had other engagements during the postmortem).
>
> Congrats to all involved, and many thanks to everyone who helped put
> it together and everyone who presented. Special thanks, too, to Eric
> Allman for stepping up at the las minute.
>
> -- jay savage


It was nice coming back into the BSD community and having such a warm 
welcome, its become evident that now is the time to devote more time to 
open source and BSD endeavors specifically, that I'll have more free time 
to do it.

George, Ike, and all the rest of the organizers impressed me with thier 
dedication and hard work, and it looks like a wonderful conference will be 
due for next year as well.

Its about time NYC started to shine in the open source world.

-Trish


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From george  Sun Sep 18 17:27:50 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:27:50 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Great conference!
In-Reply-To: <20050918170215.B96305@ultra.bsdunix.net>
References: <4ce365ec050917215033e86c92@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050918170215.B96305@ultra.bsdunix.net>
Message-ID: <48A21BC5-1195-46DA-B831-75698E8F988F@sddi.net>


On Sep 18, 2005, at 5:06 PM, Trish Lynch wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Sep 2005, Jay Savage wrote:
>
>
>> Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who made today possible! By far
>> the best reason I've had to suffer the D train on a Saturday in a  
>> long
>> time. My only regret is that I didn't get to talk to more people (and
>> that I had other engagements during the postmortem).
>>
>> Congrats to all involved, and many thanks to everyone who helped put
>> it together and everyone who presented. Special thanks, too, to Eric
>> Allman for stepping up at the las minute.
>>
>> -- jay savage
>>
>
>
> It was nice coming back into the BSD community and having such a  
> warm welcome, its become evident that now is the time to devote  
> more time to open source and BSD endeavors specifically, that I'll  
> have more free time to do it.
>
> George, Ike, and all the rest of the organizers impressed me with  
> thier dedication and hard work, and it looks like a wonderful  
> conference will be due for next year as well.
>
> Its about time NYC started to shine in the open source world.
>
> -Trish

Thanks all.

This effort was of many many people. . . and we will be sending out a  
followup for all the thank you's and so on soon, including a post-con  
survey about your experiences.  Max and Nathan, Mikel and Brad, Eric  
Allman for stepping up when Phillip was late, the excellent speakers  
who kept to a tight schedule, those who came in from Ohio, Toronto,  
Ottawa, San Francisco, Detroit, the Angelos' and others at  
Columbia . . . the list is really long, but no one should be left out.

I think it worked out well, despite a number of problems outside of  
our control, including the Iraqi president on campus which closed  
entry and exit for part of lunch, some running event in Harlem, and a  
complete mess with the 1 and 2/3 trains that day.

Michael Lucas stayed by me Saturday night, and was really excited.    
He said it was one of the better conferences he has attended.  And to  
be honest, a major reason we held the thing in the first place was  
because he threatened me at BSDCan about having something in NYC. <g>

Anyway, we'd appreciate comments offline, outside of the survey all  
attendees will get, so don't hesitate to send a note to nbc at  
nycbug.org.  Please post blogs to the list. . . I only know of this  
one from Jay Savage:

http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/

The video/audio should be up online soon, HUGE thanks goes to Max and  
Nathan. . . they spent a lot of time working things out so that there  
wouldn't be any problems.

One last note, huge credit needs to go to the core of this thing:  
Ike, Hans, Okan and especially Michael, who hates *any* credit, but  
without whom so little would happen.  He has been an enormous  
fundamental in NYCBUG since the first organizing meeting, yet keeps a  
lower profile than a live chicken at a KFC factory (and he'll  
probably punch me for even saying his name).

g



From matt  Sun Sep 18 19:32:35 2005
From: matt (Matt Juszczak)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:32:35 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: Dell C610
Message-ID: <432DF913.8040802@atopia.net>

Hi all,

My Toshiba recently died and I'm looking for another decent laptop.  I'm 
gonna run FreeBSD with something light-weight like flux, so I dont need 
a huge amount of resources.

I found the Dell C610 on Ebay.  Seems to be a pretty decent machine, 1.2 
ghz with 512 MB RAM for $400 (used of course).

Does anyone know of any better deals than this?  Does anyone have 
experience with FreeBSD on the Dell C600 series?

Thanks!

-Matt



From chris  Sun Sep 18 19:29:00 2005
From: chris (Chris Clymer)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:29:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Re: Great conference!
References: <4ce365ec050917215033e86c92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20050919T012417-498@post.gmane.org>

Jay Savage <daggerquill <at> gmail.com> writes:

> 
> Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who made today possible! By far
> the best reason I've had to suffer the D train on a Saturday in a long
> time. My only regret is that I didn't get to talk to more people (and
> that I had other engagements during the postmortem).
> 
> Congrats to all involved, and many thanks to everyone who helped put
> it together and everyone who presented. Special thanks, too, to Eric
> Allman for stepping up at the las minute.
> 


I'd like to second that!  5 of us crammed into a car and drove all night out
from Ohio for the con, and we're damn glad that we did.  Met some great people,
saw some good talks, added a few more books to the collection.  Two of our group
had never installed and run a BSD themselves, and each ended up walking home
with a copy of the latest FBSD from the silent auction...so perhaps some new
converts as well :)

Thanks for putting on such a wonderful event, and I invite you all to come see
us at Ohio Linux Fest on October 1 (ohiolinux.org).  I'm already planning to be
back for NYC BSD Con next year...although perhaps next time we'll fly :)




From unixenigma  Mon Sep 19 11:13:12 2005
From: unixenigma (G T)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 08:13:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: Dell C610
In-Reply-To: <432DF913.8040802@atopia.net>
Message-ID: <20050919151312.90838.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com>



--- Matt Juszczak <matt at atopia.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> My Toshiba recently died and I'm looking for another
> decent laptop.  I'm 
> gonna run FreeBSD with something light-weight like
> flux, so I dont need 
> a huge amount of resources.
> 
> I found the Dell C610 on Ebay.  Seems to be a pretty
> decent machine, 1.2 
> ghz with 512 MB RAM for $400 (used of course).
> 
> Does anyone know of any better deals than this? 
> Does anyone have 
> experience with FreeBSD on the Dell C600 series?

I have Latitude C600 - OpenBSD and FreeBSD.
Video 1024x768, usb  & drives ok,sound ok, a/b/g
pccards ok.
so hardwarewise it's fine - I think
(except s-video :) did not have time to try...
donno if possible)

> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Matt

GT


		
__________________________________ 
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http://mail.yahoo.com



From lists  Mon Sep 19 11:22:44 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:22:44 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Great conference!
In-Reply-To: <48A21BC5-1195-46DA-B831-75698E8F988F@sddi.net>
References: <4ce365ec050917215033e86c92@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050918170215.B96305@ultra.bsdunix.net>
	<48A21BC5-1195-46DA-B831-75698E8F988F@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20050919112244.32cfacfb@genoverly.com>

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:27:50 -0400
"George R." <george at sddi.net> wrote:

> One last note, huge credit needs to go to the core of this thing:  
> Ike, Hans, Okan and especially Michael, who hates *any* credit, but  
> without whom so little would happen.  He has been an enormous  
> fundamental in NYCBUG since the first organizing meeting, yet keeps a 
> lower profile than a live chicken at a KFC factory (and he'll  
> probably punch me for even saying his name).

The BSD projects should get the lion's share of the thanks.  They work
especially hard to bring us the OS's we love to use and potentially make
our living implementing and administering.  We owe them a debt.  Buy
their CD's, buy their t-shirts, donate hardware, cash, and of course..
beer.  However you can; support them.

Everyone who came out on Saturday to spend the day with us MADE the
conference. We kinda figured there was a lot of BSD usage and interest. 
We wanted to bring everyone out of the woodwork and together to meet and
talk.  I am not sure we at NYCBUG knew how strong the BSD community had
become and how much it has recently grown.  I was pleasantly surprised.

In the future, we are going to continue do our part to promote the
community and advocate the BSD projects.  If you are like-minded, stay
with us.  It only gets better.

And.. thanks for the kind words, George.
[cluck-cluck]
Michael



From tux  Mon Sep 19 12:02:30 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:02:30 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: Dell C610
In-Reply-To: <20050919151312.90838.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050919151312.90838.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <432EE116.1020608@penguinnetwerx.net>

G T wrote:
> 
> --- Matt Juszczak <matt at atopia.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hi all,
>>
>>My Toshiba recently died and I'm looking for another
>>decent laptop.  I'm 
>>gonna run FreeBSD with something light-weight like
>>flux, so I dont need 
>>a huge amount of resources.
>>
>>I found the Dell C610 on Ebay.  Seems to be a pretty
>>decent machine, 1.2 
>>ghz with 512 MB RAM for $400 (used of course).
>>
>>Does anyone know of any better deals than this? 
>>Does anyone have 
>>experience with FreeBSD on the Dell C600 series?
> 
> 
> I have Latitude C600 - OpenBSD and FreeBSD.
> Video 1024x768, usb  & drives ok,sound ok, a/b/g
> pccards ok.
> so hardwarewise it's fine - I think
> (except s-video :) did not have time to try...
> donno if possible)

I've been running FreeBSD 4.x/5.x on my Dell Latitude C640 for about 3 
years now with no major issues (although the video will only do 
1024x768).  I'm ordering a new laptop this week (Dell Inspiron 6000) and 
I'm not sure if I'll be keeping it as a backup or selling it, but once I 
make up my mind, I'll let everyone know (if anyone's interested, that is.)

Specs:
Dell Latitude C640
BIOS A10
1 GB RAM
2x 40GB HDD
AC97 audio
CD-RW (no DVD/*)
2x AC adapters
1x USB 1.1



From klimenta  Mon Sep 19 19:06:28 2005
From: klimenta (Kliment Andreev)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:06:28 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: Dell C610
In-Reply-To: <432DF913.8040802@atopia.net>
References: <432DF913.8040802@atopia.net>
Message-ID: <432F4474.1080608@runbox.com>

Matt Juszczak wrote:
> Does anyone know of any better deals than this?  Does anyone have 
> experience with FreeBSD on the Dell C600 series?

I have C610 running FreeBSD/W2K3 dual boot. No problems at all. Also, 
you might want to buy refurbished IBM ThinkPad (Intel Pentium III 
Processor, 900MHz, 256MB RAM, 30GB Hard Drive, 14.1-inch XGA TFT 
Display, 8X DVD-Rom Drive, Windows 98 Second Edition)

for 399.99$ + tax from CompUSA.

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=51585194&pfp=BROWSE




From swygue  Tue Sep 20 13:33:40 2005
From: swygue (swygue)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:33:40 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] XEN, FreeBSD Host
Message-ID: <cdb2c1f30509201033136edb42@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone tried running a FreeBSD host on XEN with success. Could you
share your experience and how you manage to get it working.

Thanks
-- 
swygue neron --->>



From hubert  Tue Sep 20 13:50:02 2005
From: hubert (Hubert Feyrer)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:50:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] XEN, FreeBSD Host
In-Reply-To: <cdb2c1f30509201033136edb42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cdb2c1f30509201033136edb42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509201945530.22826@m24s24.vlinux.de>

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, swygue wrote:
> Has anyone tried running a FreeBSD host on XEN with success. Could you
> share your experience and how you manage to get it working.

Not me, but maybe the NetBSD/Xen HowTo helps a bit, see 
http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/xen/howto.html.  Plus FreeBSD is on the LiveCD 
the Xen people made, maybe you can peak at that too, see 
http://www.feyrer.de/NetBSD/oldblog001.html#20050421_0041.

Screenshot (including FreeBSD) at 
http://www.feyrer.de/NetBSD/oldblog001.html#20050409_2332.


  - Hubert



From trish  Wed Sep 21 15:24:53 2005
From: trish (Trish Lynch)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:24:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] XEN, FreeBSD Host
In-Reply-To: <cdb2c1f30509201033136edb42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cdb2c1f30509201033136edb42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050921152215.E720@ultra.bsdunix.net>

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, swygue wrote:

> Has anyone tried running a FreeBSD host on XEN with success. Could you
> share your experience and how you manage to get it working.
>
> Thanks

I have, I got it booted, but then it wasn;t very useful to me 
specifically. I don;t remember exactly everything I did, other than to say 
on 5.2.1 it is possible.

-Trish


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From george  Wed Sep 21 15:44:45 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:44:45 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Keeping email records with Postfix
Message-ID: <4331B82D.7000800@sddi.net>

For archiving email going in and out of a mail server. ..

I am familiar with the overpriced mail archiving systems used for 
compliance purposes and finance.  You know, the ones everyone says is 
broken when the NASD comes knocking?

And I am familiar with a number of hacks to do this (bcc'g all outgoing 
mail to a 'records' account, double aliasing each user, etc).

But is there a method of doing this that anyone prefers?

George



From jvanasco  Wed Sep 21 15:56:22 2005
From: jvanasco (Jonathan Vanasco)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:56:22 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Keeping email records with Postfix
In-Reply-To: <4331B82D.7000800@sddi.net>
References: <4331B82D.7000800@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <0f30ff34c3a34516b84b3e1b5b069837@mastersofbranding.com>


are you doing this for compliance?  or just for fun?

if its compliance, i'd use an overpriced system.  it saves a lot of 
headaches.

if not, coming from an exim world, i've seen the following approaches:

	a_ 	 run servers a and b
			a is what people smtp and imap to
			a takes smtp and relays to b which sends and archives
			b is the mx, archives, then relays to a for delivery to imap boxes
		in this setup, your users only deal with a, and you get offsite 
backup (ie , compliance) at b

	b_	run server a
			run a 'filter' on outgoing messages that just saves them to a 
similar account dir as the mailstore, but under a different root ( ie 
MaildirArchiveSent vs Maildir )
			deliver incoming messages 2x using the 'unseen' directive, once to 
the user Maildir, and once to a MaildirArchiveIncoming


On Sep 21, 2005, at 3:44 PM, George R. wrote:

> For archiving email going in and out of a mail server. ..
>
> I am familiar with the overpriced mail archiving systems used for 
> compliance purposes and finance.  You know, the ones everyone says is 
> broken when the NASD comes knocking?
>
> And I am familiar with a number of hacks to do this (bcc'g all 
> outgoing mail to a 'records' account, double aliasing each user, etc).
>
> But is there a method of doing this that anyone prefers?
>
> George
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month




From okan  Wed Sep 21 16:13:01 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:13:01 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Keeping email records with Postfix
In-Reply-To: <4331B82D.7000800@sddi.net>
References: <4331B82D.7000800@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20050921201323.GA9079@nitrogen.khaoz.org>

On Wed 2005.09.21 at 15:44 -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
> For archiving email going in and out of a mail server. ..
> 
> I am familiar with the overpriced mail archiving systems used for 
> compliance purposes and finance.  You know, the ones everyone says is 
> broken when the NASD comes knocking?
> 
> And I am familiar with a number of hacks to do this (bcc'g all outgoing 
> mail to a 'records' account, double aliasing each user, etc).
> 
> But is there a method of doing this that anyone prefers?

1) a milter
2) procmail with a LOCAL_RULE_x works well too

cheers,
okan



From lists  Wed Sep 21 16:42:41 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:42:41 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Keeping email records with Postfix
In-Reply-To: <4331B82D.7000800@sddi.net>
References: <4331B82D.7000800@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20050921164241.00c91b2c@genoverly.com>

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:44:45 -0400
"George R." <george at sddi.net> wrote:

> For archiving email going in and out of a mail server. ..
> 
> I am familiar with the overpriced mail archiving systems used for 
> compliance purposes and finance.  You know, the ones everyone says is 
> broken when the NASD comes knocking?
> 
> And I am familiar with a number of hacks to do this (bcc'g all
> outgoing  mail to a 'records' account, double aliasing each user,
> etc).
> 
> But is there a method of doing this that anyone prefers?
> 
> George

This might not be what you are looking for but... put another forwarding
MTA in the mail path


+-------+	+-------+	+---------------+
| MX	|->> <<-| extra	|->> <<-| mail server	|
+-------+	+-------+	+---------------+
-------------------^

accepts all mail from your MX, copies it, then forwards to mail server
to be dropped in user's mailbox.  Same on reverse/outgoing mail.

Michael



From mickey  Wed Sep 21 16:57:59 2005
From: mickey (Michael Shalayeff)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:57:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] ia32 books
Message-ID: <200509212057.j8LKvxVk021104@lucifier.net>

re
i know this may not be the best auditorium for his kind of 
yellow press but it's still free (or more free than in bookstore):
http://developer.intel.com/design/pentium4/manuals/index2.htm
cu
-- 
    paranoic mickey       (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)



From lists  Wed Sep 21 17:16:36 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:16:36 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYC recycle
Message-ID: <20050921171636.06be0f67@genoverly.com>

October 2005 Electronics Recycling Events

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycwasteless/html/recycling/electronicsrecycling_2005.shtml

Why recycle your electronics?

Computers, monitors, televisions and cell phones contain hazardous
materials, such as lead, mercury, and cadmium. Recycling your unwanted
electronic items keeps these hazardous materials out of the waste stream
and the environment.


What is accepted?

    * Computers (laptop and desktop)
    * Monitors
    * Televisions 
    * Printers
    * Scanners
    * Keyboards
    * Mice
    * Cell phones 

All makes and models are accepted and drop off is free. Events are open
to NYC residents only.  Each resident can bring up to five pieces of
equipment.  All equipment will be recycled.


Michael



From hubert  Wed Sep 21 17:25:50 2005
From: hubert (Hubert Feyrer)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:25:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYC recycle
In-Reply-To: <20050921171636.06be0f67@genoverly.com>
References: <20050921171636.06be0f67@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509212325270.22826@m24s24.vlinux.de>

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, michael wrote:
> October 2005 Electronics Recycling Events

Is this an invitation for dumpster diving?
:-)

  - Hubert



From mspitzer  Wed Sep 21 17:28:07 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:28:07 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Keeping email records with Postfix
In-Reply-To: <4331B82D.7000800@sddi.net>
References: <4331B82D.7000800@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c3050921142872ef8619@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/21/05, George R. <george at sddi.net> wrote:
> For archiving email going in and out of a mail server. ..
>
> I am familiar with the overpriced mail archiving systems used for
> compliance purposes and finance.  You know, the ones everyone says is
> broken when the NASD comes knocking?
>
> And I am familiar with a number of hacks to do this (bcc'g all outgoing
> mail to a 'records' account, double aliasing each user, etc).
>
> But is there a method of doing this that anyone prefers?

I think that postfix will allow you to BCC all inbound and out bound
mail, seems like a simple enough solution.  But how do you manage it
after you have it seems to be the real question.

marc

ps I have never played a mail admin on TV so what do I know.

marc

>
> George
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>


--
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From dlavigne6  Wed Sep 21 19:18:13 2005
From: dlavigne6 (Dru)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:18:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Google positions in CA, WA, Ireland and Switzerland
Message-ID: <20050921191429.V558@dru.domain.org>


Google approached me to see if I knew any BSD talent for 2 positions 
(descriptions follow). Please pass along if you know someone looking for 
work and willing to relocate.

Comments on the lack of the BSD word in the descriptions to /dev/null 
please.

Dru

---

Senior Software Engineer/Unix System & Network Administrator, Google.com (SRE)

This position is available in Mountain View, CA; Santa Monica, CA; Kirkland, 
WA; Dublin Ireland and Zurich, Switzerland

Are you part ace coder, part adrenaline junkie? Do you have a knack for seeing 
a problem and immediately discerning the likely solution? Maybe you've been 
coding for years, are bored with the old design-build-review-test-ship-repeat 
routine, and yearn for some faster-paced challenges? Or perhaps you're a 
seasoned software engineer who is also a genius at jockeying networks and 
administering UNIX clusters.

We're looking for top-notch thrill seeking, software engineers to join the 
Google.com team. Google.com engineers are in the thick of everything involved 
with keeping Google running, from code-level troubleshooting of traffic 
anomalies to maintenance of our most cutting edge services; from monitoring 
and alerts to building new automation infrastructure. We are aggressively 
building this elite team of high level engineers in this mission critical 
environment. All team members must have strong analytical and troubleshooting 
skills, fluency in coding, good communication skills, and most of all 
enthusiasm for tackling the complex problems of scale which are uniquely 
Google. Google.com engineers tackle challenging, novel situations every day, 
and work with just about every other engineering and operations team in the 
process.

Qualifications: 
- Strong programming/scripting skills in any of the following: C, C++,
   Java, Perl, Python. 
- Senior Level experience with Unix system administration. 
- Strong understanding of networking; understanding of how to isolate,
   diagnose, and resolve service delivery components (service delivery
   components include servers, networks, and applications); be familiar with
   the functionality, operating, and failure modes of key networking devices
   (routers, switches, bridges, firewalls, hardware load balancers); be able
   to identify networking as the potential cause of a service issue using
   server-resident tools to generate this data (tcpdump, ping, traceroute,
   etc.); familiarity in interpreting the output of these tools; familiarity
   with common network topologies, protocols, and tools; have some notion of
   common network security exploits -- and their remedies; understanding of
   troubleshooting at the packet level. 
- Strong project management skills, especially in deploying live end-user
   systems. 
- In-depth knowledge of Unix (preferably Linux), and shell scripting. 
- Proven technical troubleshooting experience. 
- Excellent analytic ability, strong communication skills, and a strong
   sense of urgency. 
- Ability to handle periodic on-call duty as well as out-of-band requests.

6-15+ years experience for Senior SWE position, or 3-8 years experience for 
SWE position.

BA/BS in CS, or equivalent experience.

SEND RESUMES TO:
MARISELA at GOOGLE.COM

---

Senior Systems Administrator/Architect, Google.com (SRE)

This position is available in Mountain View, CA; Santa Monica, CA; Kirkland, 
WA; Dublin Ireland and Zurich, Switzerland.

Are you a detail-oriented systems professional, seasoned Unix jockey, Internet 
services architect, database whiz, performance analyst, or software engineer, 
at the top of your game? Looking for the next cool problem to solve, in a 
fast-paced and engineering-driven environment? Can you write a script or 
application that performs practically the entire job you once held earlier in 
your career? Does your idea of a good time involve taking things apart just to 
see how they work? Are you successful putting them back together when you're 
done? Can you help achieve increased Availability, Reliability, Uptime, and 
Quality? (for our systems and services, naturally) If you answered "Yes" to 
more than three of the above questions, you may have what it takes. Keep 
reading.

Google.com Engineers are involved in all aspects of running our site. From 
design to debug, from architecture to applications, Google.com engineers spend 
their time troubleshooting problems in large-scale clustered application 
service environments, and focus on making continual improvements to our 
services.

Working for Google.com, you will wear many hats: performance analyst, service 
architect, system/database administrator, capacity planner, tools developer, 
monitoring expert, and technical evangelist, for all components of Google.com's 
services.

This position requires a passion for problem solving, deep understanding of 
networks, operating systems, multi-tiered Internet services, and the ability 
to learn new applications and concepts quickly. Strong scripting skills are 
essential.

Requirements:

- 3+ years experience in Unix or Linux Systems Administrator. 
- Experience in a high-volume or critical production service environment. 
- Strong understanding of networking; understanding of how to isolate,
   diagnose, and resolve service delivery components (service delivery
   components include servers, networks, and applications); be familiar with
   the functionality, operating, and failure modes of key networking devices
   (routers, switches, bridges, firewalls, hardware load balancers); be able
   to identify networking as the potential cause of a service issue using
   server-resident tools to generate this data (tcpdump, ping, traceroute,
   etc.); familiarity in interpreting the output of these tools; familiarity
   with common network topologies, protocols, and tools; have some notion of
   common network security exploits -- and their remedies; understanding of
   troubleshooting at the packet level. 
- Skilled in leading projects, especially in deploying live end-user systems. 
- Proven technical troubleshooting experience. 
- Database administration experience a plus. 
- Programming or debugging of web applications running under Java VM. 
- In-depth knowledge of Linux, networking, and shell scripting. 
- Knowledge of Python programming a plus. 
- Experience with MySQL a plus. 
- Programming and troubleshooting skills in C/C++ and/or Java a plus. 
- Excellent written and verbal communication skills. 
- Ability to handle periodic on-call duty as well as out-of-band requests. 
- BA/BS in Computer Science or a related technical discipline.

SEND RESUMES TO MARISELA at GOOGLE.COM



From hubert  Thu Sep 22 13:21:24 2005
From: hubert (Hubert Feyrer)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:21:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYCBSDCon wrap up links
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509221918520.22826@m24s24.vlinux.de>


Maybe of interest, spottet in the DFBSD blog:

  * NYCBSDCon: Wrap up
    http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000873059292/

  * NYCBSDCon wrap up, Part 2: Certification
    http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000360059378/

  * NYCBSDCon wrap-up, Part 3: Michael Lucas on Networks and Bosses
    http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000330059500/

  * NYCBSDCon wrap-up, Part 4: Eric Allman on DKIM
    http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000317059504/

Enjoy!


  - Hubert



From george  Thu Sep 22 21:46:27 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:46:27 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Shmoo Con. . .
Message-ID: <43335E73.9090306@sddi.net>

Just a reminder. . . a number of us attended last year, and it was an 
awesome conference.

Bruce and Yanek are both big BSD heads, to borrow a phrase from .Ike.

http://www.shmoocon.org/

Last year it was sold-out, so I'd strongly recommend signing up ASAP.

g



From tux  Fri Sep 23 01:57:04 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 01:57:04 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Shmoo Con. . .
In-Reply-To: <43335E73.9090306@sddi.net>
References: <43335E73.9090306@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <43339930.5080908@penguinnetwerx.net>

George R. wrote:
> Just a reminder. . . a number of us attended last year, and it was an 
> awesome conference.
> 
> Bruce and Yanek are both big BSD heads, to borrow a phrase from .Ike.
> 
> http://www.shmoocon.org/
> 
> Last year it was sold-out, so I'd strongly recommend signing up ASAP.

Not only that, but you can smoke damn near everywhere in DC :)

Seriously though, last year was awesome.  Great hotel, great speakers, 
and a bunch of fun.  (Did I mention I had a great time?)

..now if I can just make it up to BSDCan next year.. :|



From dan  Fri Sep 23 08:13:29 2005
From: dan (Dan Langille)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:13:29 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Shmoo Con. . .
In-Reply-To: <43339930.5080908@penguinnetwerx.net>
References: <43335E73.9090306@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <4333B929.12765.1856BD65@localhost>

On 23 Sep 2005 at 1:57, Kevin Reiter wrote:

> ..now if I can just make it up to BSDCan next year.. :|

If I can get to Shmoo Con, you can get to BSDCan.  ;)
-- 
Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/
BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/





From ike  Fri Sep 23 08:32:42 2005
From: ike (Isaac Levy)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:32:42 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] ShmooCon Early Registration almost over!
Message-ID: <E99564F4-B49B-4CFB-A4D2-A8255CA824F7@lesmuug.org>

Hey all,

I just wanted to email that early registration ($75) is almost at the  
deadline for ShmooCon!

After Oct. 1 the price doubles, so go register!!

Rocket-
.ike





From george  Fri Sep 23 09:36:19 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:36:19 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Free Postgres Training from SRAA
Message-ID: <433404D3.3000104@sddi.net>

As some of you may know, SRAA, the main firm that works with Postgresql, 
is interested in having some stronger relations with the BSD community.

That should have been clear from Bruce Momjian's presentation at NYCBSDCon.

It's a two way street, of course.

One upcoming area is to have some people go through their training 
sessions.  You get free training in Postgresql, and you give them 
feedback on their program.

Here are the details:

They are looking for a group of people with a wide range of
  experience to get the best feedback.

  So the 2 basic categories,

  Experienced IT people who want to learn about DBs
  and people with existing DB experience who want to learn more about
  postgres

  People should have a laptop with wireless, and have postres
  installed.  And obviously be fluent in the CLI of their OS. I'll get
  you dates and  times later today but i think we'll be starting next
  week.

Next week Wednesday, Thursday, Friday would be a good time to begin. 
They are looking for 6 hour sessions, but can be flexible to those who 
are involved.

If you think you fit into these categories, let Brian Kilpatrick know, 
who is cc'd.

g



From jpb  Fri Sep 23 09:42:08 2005
From: jpb (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:42:08 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Free Postgres Training from SRAA
In-Reply-To: <433404D3.3000104@sddi.net>
References: <433404D3.3000104@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <20050923134208.GB79083@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>

* George R. <george at sddi.net> [2005-09-23 09:36]:

> Next week Wednesday, Thursday, Friday would be a good time to begin. 
> They are looking for 6 hour sessions, but can be flexible to those who 
> are involved.
> 

Is that 
     "6 one hour sessions", 
     "one 6 hour session",
     "one 6 hour session on all of Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday",
or   "one 6 hour session on any of Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday"?


Best Regards,
Jim B.




From dlavigne6  Fri Sep 23 12:01:46 2005
From: dlavigne6 (dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:01:46 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] pf assistance
Message-ID: <20050923161042.GKIG2134.tomts48-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.82]>

Any pf gurus have some time to help a friend of mine setup his pf and authpf rules? He's already invested about 40 hours but hasn't hit the magic combo yet...

Email me offlist and I'll send the details of his network.

Dru





From cclymer  Fri Sep 23 15:00:27 2005
From: cclymer (Chris Clymer)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:00:27 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] ShmooCon Early Registration almost over!
In-Reply-To: <E99564F4-B49B-4CFB-A4D2-A8255CA824F7@lesmuug.org>
References: <E99564F4-B49B-4CFB-A4D2-A8255CA824F7@lesmuug.org>
Message-ID: <433450CB.6090403@chrisclymer.com>

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Its easy to remember:  October 1 is the day of Ohio Linux Fest!  So sign
up for Shmoocon, then come to Ohio!

(yes i know its a BSD list, but what the hell)

Isaac Levy wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> I just wanted to email that early registration ($75) is almost at the 
> deadline for ShmooCon!
> 
> After Oct. 1 the price doubles, so go register!!
> 
> Rocket-
> .ike
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
> 

- --
          Chris Clymer - Chris at ChrisClymer.com
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From hubert  Fri Sep 23 15:13:26 2005
From: hubert (Hubert Feyrer)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:13:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] ShmooCon Early Registration almost over!
In-Reply-To: <433450CB.6090403@chrisclymer.com>
References: <E99564F4-B49B-4CFB-A4D2-A8255CA824F7@lesmuug.org>
	<433450CB.6090403@chrisclymer.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509232112030.22826@m24s24.vlinux.de>

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Chris Clymer wrote:
> Its easy to remember:  October 1 is the day of Ohio Linux Fest!  So sign
> up for Shmoocon, then come to Ohio!
>
> (yes i know its a BSD list, but what the hell)

>From my experience, Linux events are a very good place to recruit new BSD 
people. Make a booth there, show them what (Whatever)BSD looks like, and 
be surprised by how little "Linux" people know about BSD, and their 
curiosity.


  - Hubert



From george  Fri Sep 23 15:51:53 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:51:53 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] clock running backwords
Message-ID: <20050923195153.GB14731@sta.duo>

on an event-less standard install of FreeBSD 5.4, from cdrom, I
get this in my logs for every pid:

Sep 23 15:37:35 tiva kernel: calcru: negative runtime of -1993158 usec for pid 457 (sshd)
Sep 23 15:37:45 tiva kernel: calcru: negative runtime of -1320025 usec for pid 462 (sshd)
Sep 23 15:38:01 tiva kernel: calcru: negative runtime of -665357 usec for pid 466 (sshd)
Sep 23 15:38:01 tiva kernel: calcru: negative runtime of -2684144 usec for pid 465 (sshd)
Sep 23 15:38:09 tiva kernel: calcru: negative runtime of -671008 usec for pid 470 (ls)
> date
Fri Sep 23 15:38:46 EDT 2005
> 

The box is old and could have a failed cmos battery, but I doubt
it cause it's been off for a while and while ntp doesn't seem to
have been run...

> grep ntp /etc/rc.conf
> grep ntp /var/log/messages
> 

The clock is to the second, per eye compare with box running ntp.

...more research and I've found that the problem goes away when I
boot with no APCI. Maybe a build world will fix it, that will take
a while, but planned anyway. Anybody have comments or experience
with this?

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From cclymer  Fri Sep 23 16:04:02 2005
From: cclymer (Chris Clymer)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:04:02 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] ShmooCon Early Registration almost over!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509232112030.22826@m24s24.vlinux.de>
References: <E99564F4-B49B-4CFB-A4D2-A8255CA824F7@lesmuug.org>
	<433450CB.6090403@chrisclymer.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0509232112030.22826@m24s24.vlinux.de>
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I'm an organizer, and helping to run the LUG booth, so I'll be a litle
busy for that :(  If anyone from NYCBUG is planning to come, and would
like to bring any form of promotional material, I will be happy to find
a way to display them...at our LUG table if nothing else(at the moment,
all other tables are spoken for).

I will also state now, 12 months in advance that we would love to have
any BSD related groups come exhibit at the event next year.  I agree
with you 100% that a lot of Linux users are interested in BSD as well(i
am one!) and that many of them have little to no experience with it.

Oh, and I should mention to anyone concerned that its 100% free, and
that IBM is footing the bill for food and drink at the afterparty :)

Hubert Feyrer wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Chris Clymer wrote:
> 
>> Its easy to remember:  October 1 is the day of Ohio Linux Fest!  So sign
>> up for Shmoocon, then come to Ohio!
>>
>> (yes i know its a BSD list, but what the hell)
> 
> 
>> From my experience, Linux events are a very good place to recruit new BSD 
> 
> people. Make a booth there, show them what (Whatever)BSD looks like, and
> be surprised by how little "Linux" people know about BSD, and their
> curiosity.
> 
> 
>  - Hubert
> 

- --
          Chris Clymer - Chris at ChrisClymer.com
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From cbuechler  Fri Sep 23 16:49:08 2005
From: cbuechler (Chris Buechler)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:49:08 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] clock running backwords
In-Reply-To: <20050923195153.GB14731@sta.duo>
References: <20050923195153.GB14731@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <d64aa1760509231349306650d4@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/23/05, George Georgalis <george at galis.org> wrote:
>
> The clock is to the second, per eye compare with box running ntp.
>
> ...more research and I've found that the problem goes away when I
> boot with no APCI. Maybe a build world will fix it, that will take
> a while, but planned anyway. Anybody have comments or experience
> with this?
>

I've seen that on a box with a buggy outdated BIOS.  It was some Dell
Dimension desktop, P3 ~500 era, and IIRC disabling ACPI also stopped
it.  Regardless, a BIOS upgrade to the latest revision made it go away
for good.

-Chris



From nomadlogic  Fri Sep 23 17:49:56 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:49:56 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] clock running backwords
In-Reply-To: <20050923195153.GB14731@sta.duo>
References: <20050923195153.GB14731@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <57d7100005092314493b5a9abf@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/23/05, George Georgalis <george at galis.org> wrote:
>
> on an event-less standard install of FreeBSD 5.4, from cdrom, I
> get this in my logs for every pid:
>
> Sep 23 15:37:35 tiva kernel: calcru: negative runtime of -1993158 usec for
> pid 457 (sshd)
> Sep 23 15:37:45 tiva kernel: calcru: negative runtime of -1320025 usec for
> pid 462 (sshd)
> Sep 23 15:38:01 tiva kernel: calcru: negative runtime of -665357 usec for
> pid 466 (sshd)
> Sep 23 15:38:01 tiva kernel: calcru: negative runtime of -2684144 usec for
> pid 465 (sshd)
> Sep 23 15:38:09 tiva kernel: calcru: negative runtime of -671008 usec for
> pid 470 (ls)
> > date
> Fri Sep 23 15:38:46 EDT 2005
> >
>
> The box is old and could have a failed cmos battery, but I doubt
> it cause it's been off for a while and while ntp doesn't seem to
> have been run...
>
> > grep ntp /etc/rc.conf
> > grep ntp /var/log/messages
> >
>
> The clock is to the second, per eye compare with box running ntp.
>
> ...more research and I've found that the problem goes away when I
> boot with no APCI. Maybe a build world will fix it, that will take
> a while, but planned anyway. Anybody have comments or experience
> with this?


Ran into this problem on a system, especially under load. Check this URL:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/troubleshoot.html#CALCRU-NEGATIVE


I had to play with various sysctl's but think i have resolved the issue.
Frustrating because problem was not easy to reproduce...there were also some
threads relating to this issue on the questions@ if I remember correctly...

-p



--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
NYC's *BSD User Group
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From george  Fri Sep 23 18:10:40 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:10:40 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] clock running backwords
In-Reply-To: <57d7100005092314493b5a9abf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050923195153.GB14731@sta.duo>
	<57d7100005092314493b5a9abf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050923221040.GG14731@sta.duo>

On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 02:49:56PM -0700, pete wright wrote:
>On 9/23/05, George Georgalis <george at galis.org> wrote:
>>
>> ...more research and I've found that the problem goes away when I
>> boot with no APCI. Maybe a build world will fix it, that will take
>> a while, but planned anyway. Anybody have comments or experience
>> with this?
>
>
>Ran into this problem on a system, especially under load. Check this URL:
>
>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/troubleshoot.html#CALCRU-NEGATIVE
>
>
>I had to play with various sysctl's but think i have resolved the issue.
>Frustrating because problem was not easy to reproduce...there were also some
>threads relating to this issue on the questions@ if I remember correctly...
>

Thanks, per the prior response, I think a bios upgrade would be
best on this 476.28-MHz 586-class CPU. However, IBM only has bios
for models similar to this Aptivia 2170 Model 830.

rather than "sysctl kern.timecounter.method=1" I'd like to just disable
apci automatically at boot. Don't see it, how do I do that?

// George



-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From anthony.elizondo  Fri Sep 23 18:38:28 2005
From: anthony.elizondo (Anthony Elizondo)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:38:28 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] clock running backwords
In-Reply-To: <20050923221040.GG14731@sta.duo>
References: <20050923195153.GB14731@sta.duo>
	<57d7100005092314493b5a9abf@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050923221040.GG14731@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <a49e62c8050923153852b318da@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/23/05, George Georgalis <george at galis.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 02:49:56PM -0700, pete wright wrote:
> >On 9/23/05, George Georgalis <george at galis.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> ...more research and I've found that the problem goes away when I
> >> boot with no APCI. Maybe a build world will fix it, that will take
> >> a while, but planned anyway. Anybody have comments or experience
> >> with this?
> >
> >
> >Ran into this problem on a system, especially under load. Check this URL:
> >
> >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/troubleshoot.html#CALCRU-NEGATIVE
> >
> >
> >I had to play with various sysctl's but think i have resolved the issue.
> >Frustrating because problem was not easy to reproduce...there were also some
> >threads relating to this issue on the questions@ if I remember correctly...
> >
>
> Thanks, per the prior response, I think a bios upgrade would be
> best on this 476.28-MHz 586-class CPU. However, IBM only has bios
> for models similar to this Aptivia 2170 Model 830.
>
> rather than "sysctl kern.timecounter.method=1" I'd like to just disable
> apci automatically at boot. Don't see it, how do I do that?

Set hint.acpi.0.disabled to 1 in /boot/loader.conf

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=acpi&sektion=4

I'm still working on getting you a hat, George. :) Been very busy.

> // George
>
> --
> George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
> http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org

Anthony Elizondo



From nomadlogic  Fri Sep 23 20:12:01 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:12:01 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] clock running backwords
In-Reply-To: <20050923221040.GG14731@sta.duo>
References: <20050923195153.GB14731@sta.duo>
	<57d7100005092314493b5a9abf@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050923221040.GG14731@sta.duo>
Message-ID: <57d710000509231712102a70c3@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/23/05, George Georgalis <george at galis.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 02:49:56PM -0700, pete wright wrote:
> >On 9/23/05, George Georgalis <george at galis.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> ...more research and I've found that the problem goes away when I
> >> boot with no APCI. Maybe a build world will fix it, that will take
> >> a while, but planned anyway. Anybody have comments or experience
> >> with this?
> >
> >
> >Ran into this problem on a system, especially under load. Check this URL:
> >
> >http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/troubleshoot.html#CALCRU-NEGATIVE
> >
> >
> >I had to play with various sysctl's but think i have resolved the issue.
> >Frustrating because problem was not easy to reproduce...there were also some
> >threads relating to this issue on the questions@ if I remember correctly...
> >
>
> Thanks, per the prior response, I think a bios upgrade would be
> best on this 476.28-MHz 586-class CPU. However, IBM only has bios
> for models similar to this Aptivia 2170 Model 830.
>

btw, is this an IBM workstation or server.  The machine I ran into
this on was an x330.  just curious....


-p


--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org
NYC's *BSD User Group



From george  Fri Sep 23 21:25:39 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:25:39 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] clock running backwords
In-Reply-To: <57d710000509231712102a70c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050923195153.GB14731@sta.duo>
	<57d7100005092314493b5a9abf@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050923221040.GG14731@sta.duo>
	<57d710000509231712102a70c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050924012539.GH14731@sta.duo>

On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 05:12:01PM -0700, pete wright wrote:
>On 9/23/05, George Georgalis <george at galis.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, per the prior response, I think a bios upgrade would be
>> best on this 476.28-MHz 586-class CPU. However, IBM only has bios
>> for models similar to this Aptivia 2170 Model 830.
>>
>
>btw, is this an IBM workstation or server.  The machine I ran into
>this on was an x330.  just curious....

it's a workstation...

// George

Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
	The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 5.4-RELEASE #0: Sun May  8 10:21:06 UTC 2005
    root at harlow.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (476.28-MHz 586-class CPU)
  Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x58c  Stepping = 12
  Features=0x8021bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,PGE,MMX>
  AMD Features=0x80000800<SYSCALL,3DNow!>
real memory  = 67043328 (63 MB)
avail memory = 56008704 (53 MB)
K6-family MTRR support enabled (2 registers)
npx0: <math processor> on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
cpu0 on motherboard
pcib0: <Host to PCI bridge> pcibus 0 on motherboard
pir0: <PCI Interrupt Routing Table: 7 Entries> on motherboard
pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0
agp0: <SiS 530 host to AGP bridge> mem 0xe0000000-0xe3ffffff at device 0.0 on pci0
atapci0: <SiS 530 UDMA66 controller> port 0x9880-0x988f,0x376,0x170-0x177,0x3f6,0x1f0-0x1f7 at device 0.1 on pci0
ata0: channel #0 on atapci0
ata1: channel #1 on atapci0
isab0: <PCI-ISA bridge> at device 1.0 on pci0
isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
pci0: <unknown> at device 1.1 (no driver attached)
ohci0: <SiS 5571 USB controller> mem 0x81300000-0x81300fff irq 11 at device 1.2 on pci0
usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support
usb0: <SiS 5571 USB controller> on ohci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: SiS OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
pcib1: <PCI-PCI bridge> at device 2.0 on pci0
pci1: <PCI bus> on pcib1
pci1: <display, VGA> at device 0.0 (no driver attached)
fxp0: <Intel 82550 Pro/100 Ethernet> port 0x7000-0x703f mem 0x80120000-0x8013ffff,0x80100000-0x80100fff irq 10 at device 10.0 on pci0
miibus0: <MII bus> on fxp0
inphy0: <i82555 10/100 media interface> on miibus0
inphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:02:b3:ea:f4:43
pci0: <multimedia, audio> at device 12.0 (no driver attached)
orm0: <ISA Option ROMs> at iomem 0xc8000-0xc97ff,0xc0000-0xc7fff on isa0
pmtimer0 on isa0
atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> at port 0x64,0x60 on isa0
atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
fdc0: <Enhanced floppy controller> at port 0x3f0-0x3f5 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
ppc0: <Parallel port> at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/16 bytes threshold
ppbus0: <Parallel port bus> on ppc0
plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus0
lpt0: <Printer> on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0: <Parallel I/O> on ppbus0
sc0: <System console> at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio0: port may not be enabled
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 8250 or not responding
sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
sio1: type 16550A
vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
unknown: <PNP0303> can't assign resources (port)
unknown: <PNP0401> can't assign resources (port)
unknown: <PNP0501> can't assign resources (port)
unknown: <PNP0700> can't assign resources (port)
Timecounter "TSC" frequency 476282479 Hz quality 800
Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec
ata0-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 cable or device
ad0: 39205MB <Maxtor 6E040L0/NAR61590> [79656/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33
acd0: CDROM <LTN403/DU22> at ata1-master PIO4
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a

-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From george  Fri Sep 23 21:31:36 2005
From: george (George Georgalis)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:31:36 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] clock running backwords
In-Reply-To: <a49e62c8050923153852b318da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20050923195153.GB14731@sta.duo>
	<57d7100005092314493b5a9abf@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050923221040.GG14731@sta.duo>
	<a49e62c8050923153852b318da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050924013136.GI14731@sta.duo>

On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 06:38:28PM -0400, Anthony Elizondo wrote:
>On 9/23/05, George Georgalis <george at galis.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, per the prior response, I think a bios upgrade would be
>> best on this 476.28-MHz 586-class CPU. However, IBM only has bios
>> for models similar to this Aptivia 2170 Model 830.
>>
>> rather than "sysctl kern.timecounter.method=1" I'd like to just disable
>> apci automatically at boot. Don't see it, how do I do that?
>
>Set hint.acpi.0.disabled to 1 in /boot/loader.conf
>
>http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=acpi&sektion=4

Thanks, that seems to work perfect!

>I'm still working on getting you a hat, George. :) Been very busy.

Heh, forgot about that. That's okay, I'm still working on getting
an astrisk server going. ;)

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, systems architect, administrator <IXOYE><
http://galis.org/ cell:646-331-2027 mailto:george at galis.org



From lists  Sun Sep 25 16:23:00 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 16:23:00 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] openbsd -current
Message-ID: <20050925162300.32c102e5@genoverly.com>

I'm trying to track OpenBSD -current.  After rebuilding a few times,
I've gotten it down to a short check list.  Am I doing this the
correct/easiest way?


1. run 'get_upgrade'
	(see below: download bsd.rd and etcXX.tgz and untar, 
	make pkg_list and delete All pkgs)
2. reboot and at boot>bsd.rd
3. choose (U)pgrade
4. at [sets], choose FTP, and at prompts..
5. 'ftp2.usa.openbsd.org','pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/i386 
6. 'Congratulations..', reboot to new kernel
7. mergemaster -r -t /root/upgrade/etc/
8. put back all known packages
	pkg_add `cat /root/upgrade/pkg_list`
	(this breaks when there is an updated pkg version)
9. reboot to fresh current

->cat bin/get_upgrade 
	#!/usr/local/bin/bash
	
	################################
	# Prepare to run (U)pgrade
	# directory /root/upgrade already exists.
	################################
	
	# fetch new bsd.rd
	################################
	cd /root/upgrade
	ftp ftp://ftp2.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/i386/bsd.rd
	cp /root/upgrade/bsd.rd /bsd.rd
	
	# fetch new etcXX.tgz
	################################
	cd /root/upgrade
	mkdir etc
	cd /root/upgrade/etc
	ftp ftp://ftp2.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/i386/etc*.tgz
	tar -xzf etc38.tgz
	
	# make pkg_list and delete ALL
	################################
	pkg_info | awk '{print $1}' > /root/upgrade/pkg_list
	pkg_delete -q /var/db/pkg/*

Michael



From okan  Sun Sep 25 21:09:05 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:09:05 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] openbsd -current
In-Reply-To: <20050925162300.32c102e5@genoverly.com>
References: <20050925162300.32c102e5@genoverly.com>
Message-ID: <20050926010927.GA5396@nitrogen.khaoz.org>

On Sun 2005.09.25 at 16:23 -0400, michael wrote:
> I'm trying to track OpenBSD -current.  After rebuilding a few times,

i stick with snapshots - rarely do make build's these days unless i'm
actually testing or doing something(tm).

> I've gotten it down to a short check list.  Am I doing this the
> correct/easiest way?

a few minor comments...

> 
> 1. run 'get_upgrade'
> 	(see below: download bsd.rd and etcXX.tgz and untar, 
> 	make pkg_list and delete All pkgs)

see below ....

> 2. reboot and at boot>bsd.rd
> 3. choose (U)pgrade
> 4. at [sets], choose FTP, and at prompts..
> 5. 'ftp2.usa.openbsd.org','pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/i386 
> 6. 'Congratulations..', reboot to new kernel
> 7. mergemaster -r -t /root/upgrade/etc/

you can also do this while in the ramdisk kernel:

once the shell is returned to you:
 /mnt/usr/sbin/chroot /mnt
 TERM=vt220 /usr/local/sbin/mergemaster -r -t /root/upgrade/etc
 exit
 reboot

the TERM needs to be set for gdiff3(1).

this way, the off chance that you need to reboot again is gone, due to
start-up changes and whatnot.

> 8. put back all known packages
> 	pkg_add `cat /root/upgrade/pkg_list`
> 	(this breaks when there is an updated pkg version)

not quite - see below ...

> 9. reboot to fresh current
> 
> ->cat bin/get_upgrade 
> 	#!/usr/local/bin/bash

#!/bin/sh

> 	################################
> 	# Prepare to run (U)pgrade
> 	# directory /root/upgrade already exists.
> 	################################
> 	
> 	# fetch new bsd.rd
> 	################################
> 	cd /root/upgrade
> 	ftp ftp://ftp2.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/i386/bsd.rd
> 	cp /root/upgrade/bsd.rd /bsd.rd
> 	
> 	# fetch new etcXX.tgz
> 	################################
> 	cd /root/upgrade
> 	mkdir etc
> 	cd /root/upgrade/etc

no need to cd

> 	ftp ftp://ftp2.usa.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/i386/etc*.tgz
> 	tar -xzf etc38.tgz

tar zxvhpf etc38.tgz -C /root/upgrade/etc

(-p is the important one.)

> 	# make pkg_list and delete ALL
> 	################################
> 	pkg_info | awk '{print $1}' > /root/upgrade/pkg_list
> 	pkg_delete -q /var/db/pkg/*

no need. once you've booted into the new environment:

pkg_add -u

(if you are < sept 4th (-u will print you one command to update all the
packages - cut-n-paste....if you are running anything past sept 4th, -u
will do it for you.)

now for the daring, and *unsupported* way, you can do in place snapshot
updates as well....so as not to complete encourage it, see the
install/upgrade script to see how it is done directly within the ramdisk
(hint: 2-4 line script snippet). warning, this is not offically
supported, for something sometimes need to be in addition, such as
running MAKEDEV and such, which the ramdisk-based upgrade does for
you/etc/etc/etc.....but for the daring and willing...

okan



From hubert  Sun Sep 25 21:19:46 2005
From: hubert (Hubert Feyrer)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 03:19:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD logo?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509260316470.25913@m24s24.vlinux.de>


Does anyone know what's holding up the FreeBSD logo contest[1] so long?
I thought NetBSD did a bad job at that (and I say that as being one of the 
people on the choosing committee!), but it seems there are problems 
choosing in FreeBSD as well. Does anyone know some details?

I'm willing to exchange experiences we made in NetBSD. :)


  - Hubert

[1] http://logo-contest.freebsd.org/



From jpb  Sun Sep 25 21:59:15 2005
From: jpb (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:59:15 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD logo?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509260316470.25913@m24s24.vlinux.de>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509260316470.25913@m24s24.vlinux.de>
Message-ID: <20050926015915.GA99861@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>

* Hubert Feyrer <hubert at feyrer.de> [2005-09-25 21:19]:
> 
> Does anyone know what's holding up the FreeBSD logo contest[1] so long?
> I thought NetBSD did a bad job at that (and I say that as being one of the 
> people on the choosing committee!), but it seems there are problems 
> choosing in FreeBSD as well. Does anyone know some details?
> 
> I'm willing to exchange experiences we made in NetBSD. :)
> 
> 
>  - Hubert

Don't know anything, but you can view my entry here:

http://sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net/tmp/FreeBSD_Logo_Competition.png

That's supposed to be a bird in flight- a pictoral description of freedom.

Jim B.





From klimenta  Sun Sep 25 22:38:10 2005
From: klimenta (Kliment Andreev)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:38:10 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD logo?
In-Reply-To: <20050926015915.GA99861@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509260316470.25913@m24s24.vlinux.de>
	<20050926015915.GA99861@sixshooter.v6.thrupoint.net>
Message-ID: <43375F12.5050009@runbox.com>

Jim Brown wrote:
>>I'm willing to exchange experiences we made in NetBSD. :)
>>
>> - Hubert

> That's supposed to be a bird in flight- a pictoral description of freedom.
> 
> Jim B.

I'll vote for this one. :)



From lists  Mon Sep 26 09:21:45 2005
From: lists (michael)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:21:45 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] openbsd -current
In-Reply-To: <20050926010927.GA5396@nitrogen.khaoz.org>
References: <20050925162300.32c102e5@genoverly.com>
	<20050926010927.GA5396@nitrogen.khaoz.org>
Message-ID: <20050926092145.33e03841@genoverly.com>

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:09:05 -0400
Okan Demirmen <okan at demirmen.com> wrote:

> On Sun 2005.09.25 at 16:23 -0400, michael wrote:
> > I'm trying to track OpenBSD -current.  After rebuilding a few times,
> 
> i stick with snapshots - rarely do make build's these days unless i'm
> actually testing or doing something(tm).
> 

yea, I was using the wrong vocabulary.  As you found, I was using
snapshots, afterall.  

Thanks for the tips!


Michael



From briank  Mon Sep 26 10:53:55 2005
From: briank (Brian Kilpatrick)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:53:55 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Postgres Training Follow-up
Message-ID: <104e906e94051e1aa6cb7123a5bf7e6a@sraapowergres.com>

I'd like to thank everyone that responded. I'll be getting a list 
together shortly and making confirmations for everyone who responded. 
We are going to rely greatly on your feedback to make the final 
adjustments to the training.

Of the people who contacted me i have gotten 3 bounces, If those people 
could contact me again:

> tux at penguinnetwerx.net Kevin Reiter
> bschonhorst at vcsnyc.org Brad Schonhorst
> schmonz at schmonz.com Amitai Schlair

Thanks much



Brian Kilpatrick - Project Manager
SRA America
Powergres Group

PostgreSQL Services : Consulting, Migration, Support, and Training
One Penn Plaza, Suite 1910
New York, NY 10119
Tel:  212.244.8833 x 22
www.sraapowergres.com
briank at sraapowergres.com




From swygue  Mon Sep 26 15:37:27 2005
From: swygue (swygue)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:37:27 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] DSL Providers
Message-ID: <cdb2c1f305092612372a0ff53e@mail.gmail.com>

I would like a list of friendly DSL providers for Brooklyn and NYC,
who don't mind me
sharing my bandwidth with my neighbor.

Thanks
--
swygue neron --->>



From sequethin  Mon Sep 26 15:42:28 2005
From: sequethin (Mike Hernandez)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:42:28 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] DSL Providers
In-Reply-To: <cdb2c1f305092612372a0ff53e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cdb2c1f305092612372a0ff53e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3060c2390509261242acc53ba@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/26/05, swygue <swygue at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would like a list of friendly DSL providers for Brooklyn and NYC,
> who don't mind me
> sharing my bandwidth with my neighbor.

Two words: Wireless Router. No one will know, unless you tell them ;)

Mike



From okan  Mon Sep 26 15:45:45 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:44:45 -0401
Subject: [nycbug-talk] DSL Providers
In-Reply-To: <cdb2c1f305092612372a0ff53e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cdb2c1f305092612372a0ff53e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050926194507.GA18423@nitrogen.khaoz.org>

On Mon 2005.09.26 at 15:37 -0400, swygue wrote:
> I would like a list of friendly DSL providers for Brooklyn and NYC,
> who don't mind me
> sharing my bandwidth with my neighbor.

speakeasy(.net) encourages it.



From mickey  Mon Sep 26 15:45:38 2005
From: mickey (Michael Shalayeff)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:45:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] DSL Providers
In-Reply-To: <20050926194507.GA18423@nitrogen.khaoz.org> from Okan Demirmen at
	"Sep 26, 2005 03:44:45 pm"
Message-ID: <200509261945.j8QJjcOY032342@lucifier.net>

Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from Okan Demirmen:
> On Mon 2005.09.26 at 15:37 -0400, swygue wrote:
> > I would like a list of friendly DSL providers for Brooklyn and NYC,
> > who don't mind me
> > sharing my bandwidth with my neighbor.

cloud9 and acedsl seem to be the most liberal

cu

-- 
    paranoic mickey       (my employers have changed but, the name has remained)



From spork  Mon Sep 26 15:48:54 2005
From: spork (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:48:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] DSL Providers
In-Reply-To: <20050926194507.GA18423@nitrogen.khaoz.org>
References: <cdb2c1f305092612372a0ff53e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050926194507.GA18423@nitrogen.khaoz.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0509261548220.10644@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Okan Demirmen wrote:

> On Mon 2005.09.26 at 15:37 -0400, swygue wrote:
>> I would like a list of friendly DSL providers for Brooklyn and NYC,
>> who don't mind me
>> sharing my bandwidth with my neighbor.
>
> speakeasy(.net) encourages it.

As does Bway.net, and we're local and have no connection with bad coffee.

C

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From mikel.king  Mon Sep 26 15:58:07 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:58:07 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] DSL Providers
In-Reply-To: <3060c2390509261242acc53ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cdb2c1f305092612372a0ff53e@mail.gmail.com>
	<3060c2390509261242acc53ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23A9A7A4-785E-4140-840F-D3A6E1D32D98@ocsny.com>



On Sep 26, 2005, at 3:42 PM, Mike Hernandez wrote:

> On 9/26/05, swygue <swygue at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would like a list of friendly DSL providers for Brooklyn and NYC,
>> who don't mind me
>> sharing my bandwidth with my neighbor.
>>
>
> Two words: Wireless Router. No one will know, unless you tell them ;)
>
> Mike


<COUGH>Shameless plug</COUGH>

Um, it's your b/w you're paying for it each month, so from our stand  
point in a nutshell we don't care who you share it with.


Cheers,
Mikel King
Optimized Computer Solutions, INC
Tech Alliance, INC
39 West Fourteenth Street
Second Floor
New York, NY 10011
http://www.ocsny.com
http://www.techally.com
t: 212.727.2100x132
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each other, but optimists help each other.
Collaboration feeds your spirit, while
competition only stokes your ego. You'll
find the best way to get along.
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From okan  Mon Sep 26 16:17:49 2005
From: okan (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:16:49 -0401
Subject: [nycbug-talk] DSL Providers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.61.0509261548220.10644@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
References: <cdb2c1f305092612372a0ff53e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050926194507.GA18423@nitrogen.khaoz.org>
	<Pine.OSX.4.61.0509261548220.10644@gee5.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
Message-ID: <20050926201711.GA12144@nitrogen.khaoz.org>

On Mon 2005.09.26 at 15:48 -0400, Charles Sprickman wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Okan Demirmen wrote:
> 
> >On Mon 2005.09.26 at 15:37 -0400, swygue wrote:
> >>I would like a list of friendly DSL providers for Brooklyn and NYC,
> >>who don't mind me
> >>sharing my bandwidth with my neighbor.
> >
> >speakeasy(.net) encourages it.
> 
> As does Bway.net, and we're local and have no connection with bad coffee.

ah yes...to the op, you'll note that there are plenty of reputable isp's
on this list, so i defer to them ;) i'm sure all will reply in time...

cheers and happy isp'ing....

;)



From ephillips  Mon Sep 26 20:34:06 2005
From: ephillips (Erik Phillips)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:34:06 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apache, ftp, samba, etc....
Message-ID: <20050926203406.kqdee76q88kk48k8@free.loftmail.com>

Perhaps someone can help on this project.  I'm trying to intergrate a 
web, ftp, and smb server (all on the same box) into our local network, 
basically the box will be functioning as an internal multi network 
service server (mouthful!!!!)

Anyway, here are my questions:
1. Is there anyway to accomplish this using apache (web server), 
pure-ftp (ftp/sftp server), and samba (smb service)?

2. How difficult will it be to secure these services?

3. Lastly, would a jail be an option for the smb service?

I'm going through all my the reference materials (absolute bsd, bsd 
hacks, using samba, the handbook, etc.....) trying to piece together 
the right combination.  Before I continue any further, is this setup 
even possible?

OS=FreeBSD 5.4 box=p4 1.6 with 1.5 gig of memory.

Thanks in advanced,
-Erik-

--
http://www.loftmail.com




From george  Mon Sep 26 20:39:13 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:39:13 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apache, ftp, samba, etc....
In-Reply-To: <20050926203406.kqdee76q88kk48k8@free.loftmail.com>
References: <20050926203406.kqdee76q88kk48k8@free.loftmail.com>
Message-ID: <433894B1.80704@sddi.net>

Erik Phillips wrote:
> Perhaps someone can help on this project.  I'm trying to intergrate a 
> web, ftp, and smb server (all on the same box) into our local network, 
> basically the box will be functioning as an internal multi network 
> service server (mouthful!!!!)

Yuck.

> 
> Anyway, here are my questions:
> 1. Is there anyway to accomplish this using apache (web server), 
> pure-ftp (ftp/sftp server), and samba (smb service)?
> 

Yes, if you are looking for www, ftp and samba.  Am I missing something?

> 2. How difficult will it be to secure these services?
> 
> 3. Lastly, would a jail be an option for the smb service?
> 

 From what it sounds like. . . jailing is the way to go.

> I'm going through all my the reference materials (absolute bsd, bsd 
> hacks, using samba, the handbook, etc.....) trying to piece together the 
> right combination.  Before I continue any further, is this setup even 
> possible?
> 
> OS=FreeBSD 5.4 box=p4 1.6 with 1.5 gig of memory.
> 
> Thanks in advanced,
> -Erik-
> 
> -- 
> http://www.loftmail.com

It's not really a question of jails v non-jails to me. . .

Which services are external, and which are internal?  The immediate 
danger to me is that you are looking at two services (www & ftp) that 
are probably for external access, and one (smb) that is probably 
internal.  Although, you said nothing about this.

IMO, it's a bad idea to combine services that are private and public 
like this, except if you are going to do some heavy firewalling, tcp 
wrapping, etc.

g



From mikel.king  Mon Sep 26 21:06:19 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:06:19 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apache, ftp, samba, etc....
In-Reply-To: <20050926203406.kqdee76q88kk48k8@free.loftmail.com>
References: <20050926203406.kqdee76q88kk48k8@free.loftmail.com>
Message-ID: <1127783179.43389b0bf21fb@webmail.upan.org>

Quoting Erik Phillips <ephillips at loftmail.com>:

> Perhaps someone can help on this project.  I'm trying to intergrate a
> web, ftp, and smb server (all on the same box) into our local network,
> basically the box will be functioning as an internal multi network
> service server (mouthful!!!!)
>
> Anyway, here are my questions:
> 1. Is there anyway to accomplish this using apache (web server),
> pure-ftp (ftp/sftp server), and samba (smb service)?
>
> 2. How difficult will it be to secure these services?
>
> 3. Lastly, would a jail be an option for the smb service?
>
> I'm going through all my the reference materials (absolute bsd, bsd
> hacks, using samba, the handbook, etc.....) trying to piece together
> the right combination.  Before I continue any further, is this setup
> even possible?
>
> OS=FreeBSD 5.4 box=p4 1.6 with 1.5 gig of memory.
>
> Thanks in advanced,
> -Erik-
>
> --
> http://www.loftmail.com
>

Is the box in question behind a good firewall? If so then install the latest and
greatest versions follow the docs and you'll be fine. If the apache services
need to be accessible from the open internet then publish them through your
firewall. Same goes for ftp. You should be operational in no time.


--
 Cheers,
 Mikel King
 Optimized Computer Solutions, INC
 39 West Fourteenth Street
 Second Floor
 New York, NY 10011
 http://www.ocsny.com

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From ephillips  Mon Sep 26 21:36:47 2005
From: ephillips (Erik Phillips)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:36:47 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apache, ftp, samba, etc....
In-Reply-To: <1127783179.43389b0bf21fb@webmail.upan.org>
References: <20050926203406.kqdee76q88kk48k8@free.loftmail.com>
	<1127783179.43389b0bf21fb@webmail.upan.org>
Message-ID: <20050926213647.k84p35a6840wg0s4@free.loftmail.com>

Quoting Mikel King <mikel.king at ocsny.com>:

> Quoting Erik Phillips <ephillips at loftmail.com>:
>
>> Perhaps someone can help on this project.  I'm trying to intergrate a
>> web, ftp, and smb server (all on the same box) into our local network,
>> basically the box will be functioning as an internal multi network
>> service server (mouthful!!!!)
>>
>> Anyway, here are my questions:
>> 1. Is there anyway to accomplish this using apache (web server),
>> pure-ftp (ftp/sftp server), and samba (smb service)?
>>
>> 2. How difficult will it be to secure these services?
>>
>> 3. Lastly, would a jail be an option for the smb service?
>>
>> I'm going through all my the reference materials (absolute bsd, bsd
>> hacks, using samba, the handbook, etc.....) trying to piece together
>> the right combination.  Before I continue any further, is this setup
>> even possible?
>>
>> OS=FreeBSD 5.4 box=p4 1.6 with 1.5 gig of memory.
>>
>> Thanks in advanced,
>> -Erik-
>>
>> --
>> http://www.loftmail.com
>>
>
> Is the box in question behind a good firewall? If so then install the 
> latest and
> greatest versions follow the docs and you'll be fine. If the apache services
> need to be accessible from the open internet then publish them through your
> firewall. Same goes for ftp. You should be operational in no time.
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Mikel King
> Optimized Computer Solutions, INC
> 39 West Fourteenth Street
> Second Floor
> New York, NY 10011
> http://www.ocsny.com
>
> +------------------------------------------+
> You may like them. You will see. You may
> like them in a tree.
> http://www.FreeBSD.org
> http://www.OpenOffice.org
> http://www.Mozilla.org
> http://www.MySql.org
> +------------------------------------------+
> How do you spell cooperation? Pessimists use each other,
> but optimists help each other. Collaboration feeds your
> spirit, while competition only stokes your ego.
> +------------------------------------------+
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
>
>
>

Yes sir George, YUCK!!!!  However, this solution is a replacement for 
an IIS server that crashed.  Care to say yuck one more time? ;-)  For 
now, all services are internal through 1 nic.  If the web/ftp services 
will need external access, a 2nd nic would be installed and samba would 
be configured to listen only on the internal interface.  And, yes Mikel 
the box is behind a dedicated firewall.

erik

--
http://www.loftmail.com




From klimenta  Mon Sep 26 21:59:13 2005
From: klimenta (Kliment Andreev)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:59:13 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apache, ftp, samba, etc....
In-Reply-To: <20050926213647.k84p35a6840wg0s4@free.loftmail.com>
References: <20050926203406.kqdee76q88kk48k8@free.loftmail.com>	<1127783179.43389b0bf21fb@webmail.upan.org>
	<20050926213647.k84p35a6840wg0s4@free.loftmail.com>
Message-ID: <4338A771.9020409@runbox.com>

> Yes sir George, YUCK!!!!  However, this solution is a replacement for an 
> IIS server that crashed.  Care to say yuck one more time? ;-)  For now, 
> all services are internal through 1 nic.  If the web/ftp services will 
> need external access, a 2nd nic would be installed and samba would be 
> configured to listen only on the internal interface.  And, yes Mikel the 
> box is behind a dedicated firewall.

Well, go ahead then. I was running FreeBSD with BIND, qmail, proftpd, 
apache on port 8800, Samba and every service that I could install from 
the ports (port forwarders, IMAP for SqurellMail etc...) on the same 
machine without any firewall (directly connected to Verizon ISP DSL 
line) for over a 6 months. Nothing happened, except that the log files 
were full of junk bots trying to exploit port 139. There are great 
tutorials on the net. You'll be up and running in a couple of hours. Of 
course, a firewall is a must. pf is great, but I'll suggest a dedicated 
machine for that. I was just playing a honey pot, unfortunately I was 
not considered of any interest. :( Time to reevaluate my marketing 
skills. :)



From max  Tue Sep 27 00:01:46 2005
From: max (Max Gribov)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:01:46 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apache, ftp, samba, etc....
In-Reply-To: <20050926203406.kqdee76q88kk48k8@free.loftmail.com>
References: <20050926203406.kqdee76q88kk48k8@free.loftmail.com>
Message-ID: <4338C42A.4070507@neuropunks.org>

How about webdav?
That can provide a nice filesharing/authoring envionment, fully 
compatible with windows where you can create "my favorite network places 
thing" as well as use strict authentication control - all within one 
apache daemon instance.
Of course, this setup is pretty specific, for example if you have a 
developer/web developer team, but it will also cover basic file 
sharing/authoring. There are various authentication modules for apache, 
for ldap, postgresql/mysql, so user management becomes a breeze.
Of course, if you are talking about a domain controller, and a mounted 
"my documents" or something share, then smb would be the way to go.
What are you trying to secure this from, internal people?

Erik Phillips wrote:

> Perhaps someone can help on this project.  I'm trying to intergrate a 
> web, ftp, and smb server (all on the same box) into our local network, 
> basically the box will be functioning as an internal multi network 
> service server (mouthful!!!!)
>
> Anyway, here are my questions:
> 1. Is there anyway to accomplish this using apache (web server), 
> pure-ftp (ftp/sftp server), and samba (smb service)?
>
> 2. How difficult will it be to secure these services?
>
> 3. Lastly, would a jail be an option for the smb service?
>
> I'm going through all my the reference materials (absolute bsd, bsd 
> hacks, using samba, the handbook, etc.....) trying to piece together 
> the right combination.  Before I continue any further, is this setup 
> even possible?
>
> OS=FreeBSD 5.4 box=p4 1.6 with 1.5 gig of memory.
>
> Thanks in advanced,
> -Erik-
>
> -- 
> http://www.loftmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From steve.rieger  Tue Sep 27 05:34:14 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 05:34:14 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Unable to allocate 577925121 bytes 
Message-ID: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>

  www   3.2M Sep 14 20:29 20050914002hi all
am revisiting this because its cauding me major headaches.

when trying to d/l a file  1 www   www   551M Sep 16 13:23  
20050818002.zip
via apache1.3.33/php 4.3.11, i get that in the logs
i thought it was because i dont have enough swap so i did

cat /etc/rc.conf
mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /usr/swap1 -u 1 && swapon /dev/md1
mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /usr/swap2 -u 2 && swapon /dev/md2
mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /usr/swap3 -u 3 && swapon /dev/md3
mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /usr/swap4 -u 4 && swapon /dev/md4

%swapinfo
Device          1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity
/dev/da0s1b       4194304        0  4194304     0%
/dev/md2           262144        0   262144     0%
/dev/md3           262144        0   262144     0%
/dev/md4           262144        0   262144     0%
/dev/md5           262144        0   262144     0%
/dev/md6          1048576        0  1048576     0%
Total             6291456        0  6291456     0%


which means i have more than enough swap and a show of top proves it

last pid:  1275;  load averages:  0.24,  0.19,  0.16    up 0 
+00:34:42  05:31:19
73 processes:  1 running, 72 sleeping
CPU states:     % user,     % nice,     % system,     %  
interrupt,     % idle
Mem: 38M Active, 25M Inact, 54M Wired, 46M Cache, 61M Buf, 3348M Free
Swap: 6143M Total, 6143M Free

i set the following in the local dir in htaccess

php_value upload_max_filesize 300M
php_value memory_limit 947M
php_value max_input_time 120
php_value max_execution_time 120
php_value post_max_size 947M

i want 1 gig to be the limit of downloads.

note this is on freebsd 5.4 custom kernel with smp. and yes i can scp  
these large files,

as far as i can see i am not doing anything wrong, then why cant i  
download a 551 MB file

anything under say 450 MB works great.





Steve Rieger
steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com
Cell      646-335-8915
Office   212 804 1131
Fax       212 804 1200
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Yahoo riegersteve





From jesse  Tue Sep 27 07:27:01 2005
From: jesse (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:27:01 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apache, ftp, samba, etc....
In-Reply-To: <20050926203406.kqdee76q88kk48k8@free.loftmail.com>
References: <20050926203406.kqdee76q88kk48k8@free.loftmail.com>
Message-ID: <200509270727.02021.jesse@theholymountain.com>

On Monday 26 September 2005 08:34 pm, Erik Phillips says:
> Perhaps someone can help on this project.  I'm trying to intergrate a 
> web, ftp, and smb server (all on the same box) into our local network, 
> basically the box will be functioning as an internal multi network 
> service server (mouthful!!!!)
> 
> Anyway, here are my questions:
> 1. Is there anyway to accomplish this using apache (web server), 
> pure-ftp (ftp/sftp server), and samba (smb service)?
> 

My only tip is to install OpenSSL, zlib, and the GD libraries before Apache/PHP.
Not the best tip in the world, but can save a step later on. And put that gig of memory in your workstation.

-jesse





From jesse  Tue Sep 27 07:33:14 2005
From: jesse (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:33:14 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Unable to allocate 577925121 bytes
In-Reply-To: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>
References: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <200509270733.15193.jesse@theholymountain.com>

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 05:34 am, Steve Rieger says:
.....


> i set the following in the local dir in htaccess
> 
> php_value upload_max_filesize 300M
> php_value memory_limit 947M
> php_value max_input_time 120
> php_value max_execution_time 120
> php_value post_max_size 947M
> 
> i want 1 gig to be the limit of downloads.
> 
> note this is on freebsd 5.4 custom kernel with smp. and yes i can scp  
> these large files,
> 
> as far as i can see i am not doing anything wrong, then why cant i  
> download a 551 MB file
> 
> anything under say 450 MB works great.


What is the php temp upload folder path? Is that getting full? I think you can set it to nothing, which should turn off using a temp file for uploads and should start eating up your ample swap space. 
And, wow! I didn't know you could set this stuff in htaccess... That's useful to know.

-jesse




From steve.rieger  Tue Sep 27 07:43:28 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:43:28 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Unable to allocate 577925121 bytes
In-Reply-To: <200509270733.15193.jesse@theholymountain.com>
References: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>
	<200509270733.15193.jesse@theholymountain.com>
Message-ID: <D4D2F538-A129-4A60-9991-A0B6F202FE52@tbwachiat.com>

>
>
> What is the php temp upload folder path? Is that getting full? I  
> think you can set it to nothing, which should turn off using a temp  
> file for uploads and should start eating up your ample swap space.
> And, wow! I didn't know you could set this stuff in htaccess...  
> That's useful to know.
>

in php.ini

upload_temp_dir = /usr/local/tmp

am removing it and restarting apache


will let you know




From steve.rieger  Tue Sep 27 07:49:08 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:49:08 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Unable to allocate 577925121 bytes
In-Reply-To: <200509270733.15193.jesse@theholymountain.com>
References: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>
	<200509270733.15193.jesse@theholymountain.com>
Message-ID: <1B342480-58D3-4EB8-849D-C0A9EBF6612C@tbwachiat.com>

>
> What is the php temp upload folder path? Is that getting full? I  
> think you can set it to nothing, which should turn off using a temp  
> file for uploads and should start eating up your ample swap space.
> And, wow! I didn't know you could set this stuff in htaccess...  
> That's useful to know.


nope didnt make a difference

by the way this is a downoad thats not working, upload the files get  
copied via scp.



From mikel.king  Tue Sep 27 09:18:05 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:18:05 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apache, ftp, samba, etc....
In-Reply-To: <20050926213647.k84p35a6840wg0s4@free.loftmail.com>
References: <20050926203406.kqdee76q88kk48k8@free.loftmail.com>
	<1127783179.43389b0bf21fb@webmail.upan.org>
	<20050926213647.k84p35a6840wg0s4@free.loftmail.com>
Message-ID: <8031463D-4030-4E6E-940E-315045159580@ocsny.com>


On Sep 26, 2005, at 9:36 PM, Erik Phillips wrote:

> Quoting Mikel King <mikel.king at ocsny.com>:
>
>
>> Quoting Erik Phillips <ephillips at loftmail.com>:
>>
>>
>>> Perhaps someone can help on this project.  I'm trying to  
>>> intergrate a
>>> web, ftp, and smb server (all on the same box) into our local  
>>> network,
>>> basically the box will be functioning as an internal multi network
>>> service server (mouthful!!!!)
>>>
>>> Anyway, here are my questions:
>>> 1. Is there anyway to accomplish this using apache (web server),
>>> pure-ftp (ftp/sftp server), and samba (smb service)?
>>>
>>> 2. How difficult will it be to secure these services?
>>>
>>> 3. Lastly, would a jail be an option for the smb service?
>>>
>>> I'm going through all my the reference materials (absolute bsd, bsd
>>> hacks, using samba, the handbook, etc.....) trying to piece together
>>> the right combination.  Before I continue any further, is this setup
>>> even possible?
>>>
>>> OS=FreeBSD 5.4 box=p4 1.6 with 1.5 gig of memory.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advanced,
>>> -Erik-
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.loftmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Is the box in question behind a good firewall? If so then install  
>> the latest and
>> greatest versions follow the docs and you'll be fine. If the  
>> apache services
>> need to be accessible from the open internet then publish them  
>> through your
>> firewall. Same goes for ftp. You should be operational in no time.
>>
>
{SNIP}

> Yes sir George, YUCK!!!!  However, this solution is a replacement  
> for an IIS server that crashed.  Care to say yuck one more  
> time? ;-)  For now, all services are internal through 1 nic.  If  
> the web/ftp services will need external access, a 2nd nic would be  
> installed and samba would be configured to listen only on the  
> internal interface.  And, yes Mikel the box is behind a dedicated  
> firewall.
>
> erik
>
> --
> http://www.loftmail.com
>


Multihomed? If both NIC's will attach to the same LAN save yourself  
the headache and +alias the other address. As for the smb services,  
make sure that you add the rule to your smb.conf that allows only  
local subnet access. You can do this with swat if you prefer, just  
remeber to turn it off again once you are done. 



From mspitzer  Tue Sep 27 11:00:16 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:00:16 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Unable to allocate 577925121 bytes
In-Reply-To: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>
References: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c305092708004defa537@mail.gmail.com>

This is a stupid question but if you take php out of the mix, just
wget a static url, does it work?

marc

On 9/27/05, Steve Rieger <steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com> wrote:
>   www   3.2M Sep 14 20:29 20050914002hi all
> am revisiting this because its cauding me major headaches.
>
> when trying to d/l a file  1 www   www   551M Sep 16 13:23
> 20050818002.zip
> via apache1.3.33/php 4.3.11, i get that in the logs
> i thought it was because i dont have enough swap so i did
>  [snip]
> which means i have more than enough swap and a show of top proves it
>
> last pid:  1275;  load averages:  0.24,  0.19,  0.16    up 0
> +00:34:42  05:31:19
> 73 processes:  1 running, 72 sleeping
> CPU states:     % user,     % nice,     % system,     %
> interrupt,     % idle
> Mem: 38M Active, 25M Inact, 54M Wired, 46M Cache, 61M Buf, 3348M Free
> Swap: 6143M Total, 6143M Free
>
> i set the following in the local dir in htaccess
>
> php_value upload_max_filesize 300M
> php_value memory_limit 947M
> php_value max_input_time 120
> php_value max_execution_time 120
> php_value post_max_size 947M
>
> i want 1 gig to be the limit of downloads.
>
> note this is on freebsd 5.4 custom kernel with smp. and yes i can scp
> these large files,
>
> as far as i can see i am not doing anything wrong, then why cant i
> download a 551 MB file
>
> anything under say 450 MB works great.
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve Rieger
> steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com
> Cell      646-335-8915
> Office   212 804 1131
> Fax       212 804 1200
> AIM      chozrim
> Yahoo riegersteve
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
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>


--
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From steve.rieger  Tue Sep 27 11:09:20 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:09:20 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Unable to allocate 577925121 bytes 
In-Reply-To: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>
References: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <D0371211-FFF0-4CDE-BCAB-089D840FFEC3@tbwachiat.com>

i will be the first to admit i am stupid,

RTFM

man ulimit

added these three lines to custom-kernel-confg and all is groovy now

options         MAXDSIZ=(1024UL*1024*1024)
options         MAXSSIZ=(128UL*1024*1024)
options         DFLDSIZ=(1024UL*1024*1024)

fbsd's default is 512 therefore anything over could not go.


Steve Rieger
steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com
Cell      646-335-8915
Office   212 804 1131
Fax       212 804 1200
AIM      chozrim
Yahoo riegersteve

if ((light eq dark) && (dark eq light)
    && ($blaze_of_night{moon} == black_hole)
    && ($ravens_wing{bright} == $tin{bright})){
  my $love = $you = $sin{darkness} + 1;
};


On Sep 27, 2005, at 5:34 AM, Steve Rieger wrote:

>  www   3.2M Sep 14 20:29 20050914002hi all
> am revisiting this because its cauding me major headaches.
>
> when trying to d/l a file  1 www   www   551M Sep 16 13:23  
> 20050818002.zip
> via apache1.3.33/php 4.3.11, i get that in the logs
> i thought it was because i dont have enough swap so i did
>
> cat /etc/rc.conf
> mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /usr/swap1 -u 1 && swapon /dev/md1
> mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /usr/swap2 -u 2 && swapon /dev/md2
> mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /usr/swap3 -u 3 && swapon /dev/md3
> mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /usr/swap4 -u 4 && swapon /dev/md4
>
> %swapinfo
> Device          1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity
> /dev/da0s1b       4194304        0  4194304     0%
> /dev/md2           262144        0   262144     0%
> /dev/md3           262144        0   262144     0%
> /dev/md4           262144        0   262144     0%
> /dev/md5           262144        0   262144     0%
> /dev/md6          1048576        0  1048576     0%
> Total             6291456        0  6291456     0%
>
>
> which means i have more than enough swap and a show of top proves it
>
> last pid:  1275;  load averages:  0.24,  0.19,  0.16    up 0 
> +00:34:42  05:31:19
> 73 processes:  1 running, 72 sleeping
> CPU states:     % user,     % nice,     % system,     %  
> interrupt,     % idle
> Mem: 38M Active, 25M Inact, 54M Wired, 46M Cache, 61M Buf, 3348M Free
> Swap: 6143M Total, 6143M Free
>
> i set the following in the local dir in htaccess
>
> php_value upload_max_filesize 300M
> php_value memory_limit 947M
> php_value max_input_time 120
> php_value max_execution_time 120
> php_value post_max_size 947M
>
> i want 1 gig to be the limit of downloads.
>
> note this is on freebsd 5.4 custom kernel with smp. and yes i can  
> scp these large files,
>
> as far as i can see i am not doing anything wrong, then why cant i  
> download a 551 MB file
>
> anything under say 450 MB works great.
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve Rieger
> steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com
> Cell      646-335-8915
> Office   212 804 1131
> Fax       212 804 1200
> AIM      chozrim
> Yahoo riegersteve
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>
>
>




From steve.rieger  Tue Sep 27 11:10:39 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:10:39 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Unable to allocate 577925121 bytes
In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c305092708004defa537@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>
	<8c50a3c305092708004defa537@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DA1B8B3-3BFE-4D00-8A7E-B5EBCA2B2821@tbwachiat.com>


On Sep 27, 2005, at 11:00 AM, Marc Spitzer wrote:

> This is a stupid question but if you take php out of the mix, just
> wget a static url, does it work?



the reason wget. scp, etc.... will work is because those read  
directly from io as opposed to this which has to load the file into  
swap/ram


Steve Rieger
steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com
Cell      646-335-8915
Office   212 804 1131
Fax       212 804 1200
AIM      chozrim
Yahoo riegersteve

if ((light eq dark) && (dark eq light)
    && ($blaze_of_night{moon} == black_hole)
    && ($ravens_wing{bright} == $tin{bright})){
  my $love = $you = $sin{darkness} + 1;
};





From george  Tue Sep 27 11:33:08 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:33:08 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] SSH corp v OpenSSH
Message-ID: <43396634.8000305@sddi.net>

This is from undeadly.org

http://tinyurl.com/7owh6

Basically, SSH Corp is claiming that OpenSSH isn't meant for the 
enterprise, particularly when it comes to liability.

It's actually almost a humorous argument, considering everywhere that 
OpenSSH *is* and commercial variants of SSH *aren't*.

Outside of putty which isn't a commercial product, I think I haven't 
used OpenSSH 4 times in my life, and that was for testing FSecure's stuff.

Is there anything I'm missing here that the commercial products do that 
OpenSSH can't?

g



From mikel.king  Tue Sep 27 11:46:30 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:46:30 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] SSH corp v OpenSSH
In-Reply-To: <43396634.8000305@sddi.net>
References: <43396634.8000305@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <5967C378-B18C-4B18-A1F7-7ED7B61646C0@ocsny.com>

They put money in their share holders' pockets...;-D

Not that I'm saying that's a bad thing and all but...

On Sep 27, 2005, at 11:33 AM, George R. wrote:

> This is from undeadly.org
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7owh6
>
> Basically, SSH Corp is claiming that OpenSSH isn't meant for the  
> enterprise, particularly when it comes to liability.
>
> It's actually almost a humorous argument, considering everywhere  
> that OpenSSH *is* and commercial variants of SSH *aren't*.
>
> Outside of putty which isn't a commercial product, I think I  
> haven't used OpenSSH 4 times in my life, and that was for testing  
> FSecure's stuff.
>
> Is there anything I'm missing here that the commercial products do  
> that OpenSSH can't?
>
> g
> _______________________________________________
> % NYC*BUG talk mailing list
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> %Be sure to check out our Jobs and NYCBUG-announce lists
> %We meet the first Wednesday of the month
>




From nomadlogic  Tue Sep 27 11:50:27 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:50:27 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Unable to allocate 577925121 bytes
In-Reply-To: <D0371211-FFF0-4CDE-BCAB-089D840FFEC3@tbwachiat.com>
References: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>
	<D0371211-FFF0-4CDE-BCAB-089D840FFEC3@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <57d7100005092708501864ef01@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/27/05, Steve Rieger <steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com> wrote:
>
> i will be the first to admit i am stupid,
>
> RTFM
>
> man ulimit


added these three lines to custom-kernel-confg and all is groovy now
>
> options MAXDSIZ=(1024UL*1024*1024)
> options MAXSSIZ=(128UL*1024*1024)
> options DFLDSIZ=(1024UL*1024*1024)
>
> fbsd's default is 512 therefore anything over could not go.



you know that's pretty interesting. I've run into ulimit issues before with
3rd party software and socket connections. although i was under the
impression that it was the shell the software was executing the daemon
process as that needed to be tuned (in my case /bin/sh had a pretty low
network socket ulimit). I guess what I did not expect was that this is a
kernel tunable, not a shell tunable (or atleast a tunable that is set in
userspace) as I have used it in the past. so these kernel options effect all
shell's, set limit's on resources out of the shell, or something else i'm
missing? the man page for ulimit (1) is for "Shell builtin commands". Guess
I need to read up on this a bit more.

-p



--
~~o0OO0o~~
Pete Wright
www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
NYC's *BSD User Group
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From nomadlogic  Tue Sep 27 11:53:27 2005
From: nomadlogic (pete wright)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:53:27 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] SSH corp v OpenSSH
In-Reply-To: <43396634.8000305@sddi.net>
References: <43396634.8000305@sddi.net>
Message-ID: <57d71000050927085322f5a980@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/27/05, George R. <george at sddi.net> wrote:
>
> This is from undeadly.org <http://undeadly.org>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7owh6
>
> Basically, SSH Corp is claiming that OpenSSH isn't meant for the
> enterprise, particularly when it comes to liability.
>
> It's actually almost a humorous argument, considering everywhere that
> OpenSSH *is* and commercial variants of SSH *aren't*.
>
> Outside of putty which isn't a commercial product, I think I haven't
> used OpenSSH 4 times in my life, and that was for testing FSecure's stuff.
>
> Is there anything I'm missing here that the commercial products do that
> OpenSSH can't?



Yea that's kinda crazy, especially considering the lisc. that OpenSSH is
available under. I've used the FSecure producs too back in the day, and it
seemed that there was some "value-added" features (read gui tools for low
level admins). Does SSH co. offer anything like this that a reasonably
experienced admin can't put together him/her self?

-p


--
~~o0OO0o~~
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www.nycbug.org <http://www.nycbug.org>
NYC's *BSD User Group
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From ike  Tue Sep 27 13:21:36 2005
From: ike (Isaac Levy)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:21:36 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] SSH corp v OpenSSH
In-Reply-To: <57d71000050927085322f5a980@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43396634.8000305@sddi.net>
	<57d71000050927085322f5a980@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BF571FDA-581B-418C-BB60-01D4A88CB1C2@lesmuug.org>

Word,

On Sep 27, 2005, at 11:53 AM, pete wright wrote:
<snip>
> Yea that's kinda crazy, especially considering the lisc. that  
> OpenSSH is available under.  I've used the FSecure producs too back  
> in the day, and it seemed that there was some "value-added"  
> features (read gui tools for low level admins).  Does SSH co. offer  
> anything like this that a reasonably experienced admin can't put  
> together him/her self?
>
> -p
>

I'll snap a quick salute to the idea of diversity, (as I go on using  
OpenSSH more than any other app on nearly all hardware I touch [read:  
a zero-day exploit for OpenSSH is at the top of my list of things to  
bring on armageddon?])...

Rocket-
.ike





From ike  Wed Sep 28 19:15:22 2005
From: ike (Isaac Levy)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:15:22 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Unable to allocate 577925121 bytes 
In-Reply-To: <D0371211-FFF0-4CDE-BCAB-089D840FFEC3@tbwachiat.com>
References: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>
	<D0371211-FFF0-4CDE-BCAB-089D840FFEC3@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <F7919055-9660-435D-9A25-4EEB0323D48E@lesmuug.org>

Wow Steve, All,

On Sep 27, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Steve Rieger wrote:

> i will be the first to admit i am stupid,

I don't know about that, you did fix the problem :)

>
> RTFM
>
> man ulimit
>

This is the first time I've ever seen someone RTFM themselves on a  
list, (and RTFM alltogether on *THIS* list!)  Hope it's the only time  
we get to see that wiley beast appear here...

Rocket-
.ike





From steve.rieger  Thu Sep 29 00:14:05 2005
From: steve.rieger (Steve Rieger)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:14:05 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Unable to allocate 577925121 bytes 
In-Reply-To: <F7919055-9660-435D-9A25-4EEB0323D48E@lesmuug.org>
References: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>
	<D0371211-FFF0-4CDE-BCAB-089D840FFEC3@tbwachiat.com>
	<F7919055-9660-435D-9A25-4EEB0323D48E@lesmuug.org>
Message-ID: <6DF5075F-0BD5-4179-A420-59339DE5CF8B@tbwachiat.com>

dude i am the RTFM god,

i bought a motorcycle 5 months ago and have yet to read the manual,  
was told by a fellow rider that i should change the oil after 600  
miles, and the manual clearly states so.

By the way is there a manual that teaches me how to RTFM huh ?




Steve Rieger
steve.rieger at tbwachiat.com
Cell      646-335-8915
Office   212 804 1131
Fax       212 804 1200
AIM      chozrim
Yahoo riegersteve

if ((light eq dark) && (dark eq light)
    && ($blaze_of_night{moon} == black_hole)
    && ($ravens_wing{bright} == $tin{bright})){
  my $love = $you = $sin{darkness} + 1;
};





From tux  Thu Sep 29 02:52:40 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:52:40 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Unable to allocate 577925121 bytes
In-Reply-To: <6DF5075F-0BD5-4179-A420-59339DE5CF8B@tbwachiat.com>
References: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>	<D0371211-FFF0-4CDE-BCAB-089D840FFEC3@tbwachiat.com>	<F7919055-9660-435D-9A25-4EEB0323D48E@lesmuug.org>
	<6DF5075F-0BD5-4179-A420-59339DE5CF8B@tbwachiat.com>
Message-ID: <433B8F38.9000600@penguinnetwerx.net>

Steve Rieger wrote:

<snip>

> By the way is there a manual that teaches me how to RTFM huh ?

http://penguinnetwerx.net/index.php?id=10

Kinda short though..

:)



From bschonhorst  Thu Sep 29 05:41:01 2005
From: bschonhorst (Brad Schonhorst)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:41:01 +0000
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Unable to allocate 577925121 bytes
In-Reply-To: <433B8F38.9000600@penguinnetwerx.net>
References: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>	<D0371211-FFF0-4CDE-BCAB-089D840FFEC3@tbwachiat.com>	<F7919055-9660-435D-9A25-4EEB0323D48E@lesmuug.org>	<6DF5075F-0BD5-4179-A420-59339DE5CF8B@tbwachiat.com>
	<433B8F38.9000600@penguinnetwerx.net>
Message-ID: <433BB6AD.4050108@vcsnyc.org>

Kevin Reiter wrote:

> Steve Rieger wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> By the way is there a manual that teaches me how to RTFM huh ?
>
>
> http://penguinnetwerx.net/index.php?id=10
>
> Kinda short though..
>
Thats funny.  I thought I remembered the acronym differently...




From tux  Thu Sep 29 09:47:50 2005
From: tux (Kevin Reiter)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:47:50 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Unable to allocate 577925121 bytes
In-Reply-To: <433BB6AD.4050108@vcsnyc.org>
References: <D5DBFDEF-EBC0-4AB0-89F5-E1C55A932961@tbwachiat.com>	<D0371211-FFF0-4CDE-BCAB-089D840FFEC3@tbwachiat.com>	<F7919055-9660-435D-9A25-4EEB0323D48E@lesmuug.org>	<6DF5075F-0BD5-4179-A420-59339DE5CF8B@tbwachiat.com>
	<433B8F38.9000600@penguinnetwerx.net> <433BB6AD.4050108@vcsnyc.org>
Message-ID: <433BF086.7050206@penguinnetwerx.net>

Brad Schonhorst wrote:
> Kevin Reiter wrote:
> 
>> Steve Rieger wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> By the way is there a manual that teaches me how to RTFM huh ?
>>
>>
>>
>> http://penguinnetwerx.net/index.php?id=10
>>
>> Kinda short though..
>>
> Thats funny.  I thought I remembered the acronym differently...
> 

Well, yeah, but children might happen across it :)

I might update it later to make it more interesting, and even find a 
unix doc template so it even looks like a real manpage..



From george  Thu Sep 29 15:16:28 2005
From: george (George R.)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:16:28 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] more NYCBSDCon stuff. . .
Message-ID: <433C3D8C.3080600@sddi.net>

1.  Hubert's blog gives a short spiel:

http://www.feyrer.de/NetBSD/blog.html#20050919_0625

Let me know off list if you have any references to other comments about 
NYCBSDCon.

2.  We are going to be releasing a post-con survey in the near future 
for all attendees.  We are looking for the feedback to figure out what 
attendees liked or didn't like and any other input.  We strongly 
encourage everyone to take this survey seriously as it will be a useful 
guide for a possible event next year.

g



From mspitzer  Fri Sep 30 11:40:44 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:40:44 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] gpl on /.
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30509300840t7d30bc2et49e9b141a79bf581@mail.gmail.com>

Saw below on slashdot, this is something we need to be up to speed on.
 All you web developers out there need to add in time for licence
review on your projects, if you use any 3rd party lib, ouch.

 Vicissidude writes "At present, companies that distribute
GPL-licensed software must make the source code publicly available,
including any modifications they've made. Though the rule covers many
businesses that use GPL-licensed software for commercial ends, it
doesn't cover Web companies that use such software to offer their
services through the Web, as they're not actually distributing the
software. GPL 3, the next version of the free software license, a
draft of which is expected to be released in early 2006, may close
this loophole, GPL author and Free Software Foundation head Richard
Stallman said in an interview."

interview link http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5884172.html

marc


--
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From hubert  Fri Sep 30 13:04:27 2005
From: hubert (Hubert Feyrer)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:04:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] gpl on /.
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Marc Spitzer wrote:
> Saw below on slashdot, this is something we need to be up to speed on.
> All you web developers out there need to add in time for licence
> review on your projects, if you use any 3rd party lib, ouch.

GPL is all about this "freedom" thing, I doubt that can (or should!) be 
changed.

It's software developers who blindly put their code under the GPL who need 
LARTing.


  - Hubert



From paul  Fri Sep 30 14:23:17 2005
From: paul (Paul Dlug)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:23:17 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: looking for colo info
Message-ID: <F8491634-B0AD-4D27-8D91-9CC9088F5374@aps.org>

Possibly off topic...

I might be shopping for some colo space, we need two cabinets each  
with 2 x 110V/20A and 2 x 220V/30A power circuits. Our existing colo  
is giving us some problems providing this power. If anyone has a  
better color option I'd be willing to consider it, please contact off- 
list.

Thanks,
Paul



From alex  Fri Sep 30 14:34:29 2005
From: alex (alex at pilosoft.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:34:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: looking for colo info
In-Reply-To: <F8491634-B0AD-4D27-8D91-9CC9088F5374@aps.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0509301425170.5896-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Paul Dlug wrote:

> I might be shopping for some colo space, we need two cabinets each with
> 2 x 110V/20A and 2 x 220V/30A power circuits. Our existing colo is
> giving us some problems providing this power. If anyone has a better
> color option I'd be willing to consider it, please contact off- list.
We can do that. Of course, its a matter of price. Consider that cost of
'bare utility power' (without including cost of equipment maintenance,
overhead of UPS/HVAC units, depreciation on equipment, etc) is
approximately 15$/A. The 'overhead' costs pretty much double it - thus if
you are paying less than 30$/A, someone is losing money on you.

I have to ask - do you really use this much power? 2*20A*110V + 2*220V*30A 
is *100A* of power per cabinet. Consider that this is equivalent to 5 
average cabinets (which use 20A per cab) - so expect to pay 5 times the 
'going price' of 750$/cab (as in, 3750$ per cab, 7500$/mo total). That's 
what we can offer to you. 

On other hand, if you don't actually *use* that much power, we can provide
you custom pricing based on the actual power utilization in amps. Each
rack with that many circuits will cost 300/month plus 42$/A of
actual utilization (at 110V) plus 84$/A of actual utilization at (220V).

We have our own facility, so we know exactly how these numbers work. If 
you (or anyone else is interested), we can show it to you ;)

--
Alex Pilosov    | DSL, Colocation, Hosting Services
President       | alex at pilosoft.com    877-PILOSOFT x601
Pilosoft, Inc.  | http://www.pilosoft.com




From alex  Fri Sep 30 14:36:38 2005
From: alex (alex at pilosoft.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:36:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: looking for colo info
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0509301425170.5896-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0509301434560.5896-100000@bawx.pilosoft.com>

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 alex at pilosoft.com wrote:

> I have to ask - do you really use this much power? 2*20A*110V +
> 2*220V*30A is *100A* of power per cabinet. Consider that this is
> equivalent to 5 average cabinets (which use 20A per cab) - so expect to
> pay 5 times the 'going price' of 750$/cab (as in, 3750$ per cab,
> 7500$/mo total). That's what we can offer to you.
(actually, sorry to correct myself)

2*20A*110V + 2*30A*220V = 160A (in 110V equivalent), equivalent to 8
average racks, and the price is 8*750$ = 6000$/rack. ;)

-alex




From mspitzer  Fri Sep 30 14:50:40 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:50:40 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] gpl on /.
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On 9/30/05, Hubert Feyrer <hubert at feyrer.de> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Marc Spitzer wrote:
> > Saw below on slashdot, this is something we need to be up to speed on.
> > All you web developers out there need to add in time for licence
> > review on your projects, if you use any 3rd party lib, ouch.
>
> GPL is all about this "freedom" thing, I doubt that can (or should!) be
> changed.

GPL in not about freedom or free software, I have looked up free in
several dictionaries and there has *NEVER* been a definition that
fit(from previous thread, not here).  The FSF lie about the free and
freedom part by coming up with there own private definition that does
not exist anywhere else.

>
> It's software developers who blindly put their code under the GPL who need
> LARTing.

Well that is true, ignorance and group think are a major pain in the ass.

My point was that now is a good time to start tracking any
libs/products that you use for licence issues, and anything that they
use etc. until you run out of dependencies.  So you can figure out
what you *CAN* safely deliver to a client.  The last thing you want to
see happen is even the credible threat of a lawsuit because of
technology decisions you made.

It may also be a good time to start education the people who write the
libs you use to deliver products that the gpl3 could be bade from the
POV of people using/not forking  there project.


marc
>
>
>   - Hubert
>


--
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From hubert  Fri Sep 30 15:36:55 2005
From: hubert (Hubert Feyrer)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:36:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] gpl on /.
In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30509301150s6dd52e61laac9d9d650656cf2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c50a3c30509300840t7d30bc2et49e9b141a79bf581@mail.gmail.com> 
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Marc Spitzer wrote:
>> GPL is all about this "freedom" thing, I doubt that can (or should!) be
>> changed.
>
> GPL in not about freedom or free software, I have looked up free in
> several dictionaries and there has *NEVER* been a definition that
> fit(from previous thread, not here).  The FSF lie about the free and
> freedom part by coming up with there own private definition that does
> not exist anywhere else.

That's why I put the term in quotes, and probably always will when it 
comes to the FSF/GPL's view on that term.


> My point was that now is a good time to start tracking any
> libs/products that you use for licence issues, and anything that they
> use etc. until you run out of dependencies.  So you can figure out
> what you *CAN* safely deliver to a client.  The last thing you want to
> see happen is even the credible threat of a lawsuit because of
> technology decisions you made.
>
> It may also be a good time to start education the people who write the
> libs you use to deliver products that the gpl3 could be bade from the
> POV of people using/not forking  there project.

Yep!

At last year's Chaos Communications Congress in Berlin, I basically read 
the GPL to 200 people. It was on one side interesting to see how 
interested they ware, and scary on the other side seeing that they still 
didn't get the "you have to release your modified sources" even after 
that.


  - Hubert



From mspitzer  Fri Sep 30 16:31:28 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:31:28 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] gpl on /.
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References: <8c50a3c30509300840t7d30bc2et49e9b141a79bf581@mail.gmail.com>
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On 9/30/05, Hubert Feyrer <hubert at feyrer.de> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Marc Spitzer wrote:
> >> GPL is all about this "freedom" thing, I doubt that can (or should!) be
> >> changed.
> >
> > GPL in not about freedom or free software, I have looked up free in
> > several dictionaries and there has *NEVER* been a definition that
> > fit(from previous thread, not here).  The FSF lie about the free and
> > freedom part by coming up with there own private definition that does
> > not exist anywhere else.
>
> That's why I put the term in quotes, and probably always will when it
> comes to the FSF/GPL's view on that term.

A bit to subtle for me, missed the significance of the "".

>
>
> > My point was that now is a good time to start tracking any
> > libs/products that you use for licence issues, and anything that they
> > use etc. until you run out of dependencies.  So you can figure out
> > what you *CAN* safely deliver to a client.  The last thing you want to
> > see happen is even the credible threat of a lawsuit because of
> > technology decisions you made.
> >
> > It may also be a good time to start education the people who write the
> > libs you use to deliver products that the gpl3 could be bade from the
> > POV of people using/not forking  there project.
>
> Yep!
>
> At last year's Chaos Communications Congress in Berlin, I basically read
> the GPL to 200 people. It was on one side interesting to see how
> interested they ware, and scary on the other side seeing that they still
> didn't get the "you have to release your modified sources" even after
> that.

People hear/read what they want to when reading a document.

But at least that is a managed, should be well known by now, problem.

But the idea that you must publish a link to download your entire site
if you use a gpl3 lib needs to get out.

marc

--
"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
form into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that
we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing, and a wonderful method it
can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From mikel.king  Fri Sep 30 17:02:55 2005
From: mikel.king (Mikel King)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:02:55 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] gpl on /.
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On Sep 30, 2005, at 4:31 PM, Marc Spitzer wrote:

> On 9/30/05, Hubert Feyrer <hubert at feyrer.de> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Marc Spitzer wrote:
>>
>>>> GPL is all about this "freedom" thing, I doubt that can (or  
>>>> should!) be
>>>> changed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> GPL in not about freedom or free software, I have looked up free in
>>> several dictionaries and there has *NEVER* been a definition that
>>> fit(from previous thread, not here).  The FSF lie about the free and
>>> freedom part by coming up with there own private definition that  
>>> does
>>> not exist anywhere else.
>>>
>>
>> That's why I put the term in quotes, and probably always will when it
>> comes to the FSF/GPL's view on that term.
>>
>
> A bit to subtle for me, missed the significance of the "".
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> My point was that now is a good time to start tracking any
>>> libs/products that you use for licence issues, and anything that  
>>> they
>>> use etc. until you run out of dependencies.  So you can figure out
>>> what you *CAN* safely deliver to a client.  The last thing you  
>>> want to
>>> see happen is even the credible threat of a lawsuit because of
>>> technology decisions you made.
>>>
>>> It may also be a good time to start education the people who  
>>> write the
>>> libs you use to deliver products that the gpl3 could be bade from  
>>> the
>>> POV of people using/not forking  there project.
>>>
>>
>> Yep!
>>
>> At last year's Chaos Communications Congress in Berlin, I  
>> basically read
>> the GPL to 200 people. It was on one side interesting to see how
>> interested they ware, and scary on the other side seeing that they  
>> still
>> didn't get the "you have to release your modified sources" even after
>> that.
>>
>
> People hear/read what they want to when reading a document.
>
> But at least that is a managed, should be well known by now, problem.
>
> But the idea that you must publish a link to download your entire site
> if you use a gpl3 lib needs to get out.
>
> marc



I really think this is one of Stallman's more stellar ideas. It  
definitely reflects his true genius . How could I not want my  
programmers to build a command into the app we've just paid millions  
to develop so that my competition and even end clients can download  
and examine at their leisure.

Seriously, he has single handily done more damage to the 'free'  
software initiative than any other entity including Microsoft or even  
SCO for that matter. Thank the digigods for the osl, apache and of  
course bsd licenses.

On a side note, I'm wondering what sort of security holes this will  
open?





From marco  Fri Sep 30 17:03:18 2005
From: marco (Marco Scoffier)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:03:18 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] gpl on /.
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<big snip>

On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 05:02:55PM -0400, Mikel King wrote:
>On a side note, I'm wondering what sort of security holes this will  
>open?
>
Don't you mean close?

-- 
Marco



From mspitzer  Fri Sep 30 19:21:08 2005
From: mspitzer (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:21:08 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] gpl on /.
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On 9/30/05, Marco Scoffier <marco at metm.org> wrote:
> <big snip>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 05:02:55PM -0400, Mikel King wrote:
> >On a side note, I'm wondering what sort of security holes this will
> >open?
> >
> Don't you mean close?

nope open, the easyest way to exploit code is to read the code for
bugs and not tell the people who are running their bussiness on it.

marc

>
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> Marco
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can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion,
inefficiency and demoralization."
-Gaius Petronius, 1st Century AD



From hubert  Fri Sep 30 19:34:29 2005
From: hubert (Hubert Feyrer)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 01:34:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] gpl on /.
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Marc Spitzer wrote:
>>> On a side note, I'm wondering what sort of security holes this will
>>> open?
>>>
>> Don't you mean close?
>
> nope open, the easyest way to exploit code is to read the code for
> bugs and not tell the people who are running their bussiness on it.

For that, the holes have to be open already, they just get known (or not).


  - Hubert



From marco  Fri Sep 30 23:08:06 2005
From: marco (Marco Scoffier)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:08:06 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] gpl on /.
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On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 07:21:08PM -0400, Marc Spitzer wrote:
>On 9/30/05, Marco Scoffier <marco at metm.org> wrote:
>> <big snip>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 05:02:55PM -0400, Mikel King wrote:
>> >On a side note, I'm wondering what sort of security holes this will
>> >open?
>> >
>> Don't you mean close?
>
>nope open, the easyest way to exploit code is to read the code for
>bugs and not tell the people who are running their bussiness on it.
>
Oh the businesses always find out when there is an exploit, 

I'm a bit suprised by what seems to be an arguement for a false sense
of security.

-- 
Marco