[nycbug-talk] IPv6 Followup

Okan Demirmen okan at demirmen.com
Fri Nov 9 13:16:27 EST 2007

On Fri 2007.11.09 at 12:44 -0500, George Rosamond wrote:
> Alex Pilosov wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, Okan Demirmen wrote:
> > 
> >> On Fri 2007.11.09 at 12:13 -0500, Alex Pilosov wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, Jim Brown wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> As it happens, I now have an assignment to write a position paper on
> >>>> IPv6 for a client.  Unfortunately, I was not able to attend the last two
> >>>> BUGs.
> >>> See and listen to this and make your own conclusions
> >>> http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0710/bush.html
> >>> http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0710/real/nanog41-transition.ram
> >>>
> >>>> If anyone wants to offer their expert opinion on all things IPv6, I'm
> >>>> interested.
> >>> ipv6 will happen. it has to. you should get yourself *ready* to run it - 
> >>> there's no harm in it. generally, it no longer requires equipment 
> >>> investment, just configuration. operationally, however, nobody cares. 
> >>                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> 							  what?
> >>
> >> that is a very broad, over-reaching statement, and i for one will
> >> disagree.  operationally, people care.  now *who* those people are is
> >> another question; they may not be all the people that need to care, but
> >> there are people who care operationally.  with statements like the
> >> above, the "other people" will never think they need to care - so it
> >> goes as it is going now.
> > ok,
> > 
> > simple, show me who cares. operationally. someone who both *cares* and 
> > *matters*. no, home ipv6 tunnels through sixxs and occaid don't count.
> > 
> Alex:
> Not sure if you've done any traveling, but apparently it's big in .jp.
> And there must be a reason you jump on the topic with some degree of 
> familiarity.

well, there's a point.  do you care alex?  i'd prefer that you would
care to some degree, so that if one day i come to you (or send someone)
to you once ipv6 is "around", i would know that you do care about the
future of the business, and not just what is here and now.  i know that
you do know about it, but just think if i didn't know you - would i have
confidence? (too many prepositions - yikes!)

also care to tell any of these folks? http://www.bigape.us

as for matters, maybe the likes of the isp's that i've worked for don't
matter - but who's the ultimate judge?  (well, it's not so great that
one of them has sold off most of their global data centers and stuck
with just a backbone and fiber) ...but i think the list above is more
impressive, no?

oh and for for record, personal /64 tunnels don't count in my book
either...at least for a general notion of caring...i think the personal
tunnels are great though, but they serve a purpose.

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