From nycbug at chrisbuechler.com  Thu May  1 23:51:21 2008
From: nycbug at chrisbuechler.com (Chris Buechler)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 23:51:21 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] web apps showing diff timezone after FBSD 6.3 -> 7.0
	migration?
Message-ID: <481A8FB9.2010408@chrisbuechler.com>

Hi all,

Hoping somebody here has seen this before. It's not making any sense to 
me. Since migrating some sites from FreeBSD 6.3 to 7.0, it seems time 
zone is treated differently on the 7.0 box than it was on the 6.3 box. 
Also moved hardware in the process, the 7.0 box was a clean install, not 
an upgrade.

Environment summary:  single server with multiple jails, all with the 
correct timezone configured. `date` shows properly on all of the jails, 
and is identical to what the 6.3 server showed. Example:
[cmb at web ~]$ date
Thu May  1 23:32:35 EDT 2008

The difference I'm noticing is in web applications. For example, 
http://forum.pfsense.org. While it's 100% identical to what was running 
on the 6.3 server (just a tar and copy of the files, mysqldump and 
import of the database, 0 changes to any of it), it now acts like the 
server's timezone is GMT. Previously it used the local time of the 
server, and users in other timezones selected their offset if they 
wanted to see their local time. Now we have 6000+ users with the wrong 
offset.

Apache and PHP versions are the same (1.3 and 4.x respectively), though 
MySQL is now 5.0.x coming from 4.x.
Not sure if that would have any effect or not.

Anyone have any idea what might be causing this? Any thoughts much 
appreciated.

cheers,
Chris



From mspitzer at gmail.com  Fri May  2 00:10:29 2008
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 00:10:29 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] web apps showing diff timezone after FBSD 6.3 ->
	7.0 migration?
In-Reply-To: <481A8FB9.2010408@chrisbuechler.com>
References: <481A8FB9.2010408@chrisbuechler.com>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30805012110j261905feh741cd365b79ec3c7@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Chris Buechler
<nycbug at chrisbuechler.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>  Hoping somebody here has seen this before. It's not making any sense to
>  me. Since migrating some sites from FreeBSD 6.3 to 7.0, it seems time
>  zone is treated differently on the 7.0 box than it was on the 6.3 box.
>  Also moved hardware in the process, the 7.0 box was a clean install, not
>  an upgrade.
>
>  Environment summary:  single server with multiple jails, all with the
>  correct timezone configured. `date` shows properly on all of the jails,
>  and is identical to what the 6.3 server showed. Example:
>  [cmb at web ~]$ date
>  Thu May  1 23:32:35 EDT 2008
>
>  The difference I'm noticing is in web applications. For example,
>  http://forum.pfsense.org. While it's 100% identical to what was running
>  on the 6.3 server (just a tar and copy of the files, mysqldump and
>  import of the database, 0 changes to any of it), it now acts like the
>  server's timezone is GMT. Previously it used the local time of the
>  server, and users in other timezones selected their offset if they
>  wanted to see their local time. Now we have 6000+ users with the wrong
>  offset.
>
>  Apache and PHP versions are the same (1.3 and 4.x respectively), though
>  MySQL is now 5.0.x coming from 4.x.
>  Not sure if that would have any effect or not.
>
>  Anyone have any idea what might be causing this? Any thoughts much
>  appreciated.
>
>  cheers,
>  Chris
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  talk mailing list
>  talk at lists.nycbug.org
>  http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>


at a guess, what does /etc/localtime look like?  mine is:
 file localtime
localtime: symbolic link to `/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York'

You could be pointing to some where else.

Good luck,

marc
-- 
Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
Albert Camus


From matt at atopia.net  Fri May  2 12:37:07 2008
From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:37:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Amazon Web Services replacing tradition?
Message-ID: <20080502123211.H48715@mercury.atopia.net>

I feel like this is mostly on-topic because it deals with the underlying 
hardware that the operating system we use on a day to day basis 
would/could run on.

I'm noticing more and more organizations, start-ups especially, switching 
their infrastructure over to virtualization, such as Amazon EC2/S3.

While I think these sorts of setups (launching/removing instances on the 
fly, scripting the launch of new infrastructure, etc.) have their purpose, 
I don't think they are a catch-all for every sort of possible setup.

For instance, I can't see how the slow disk I/O of s3 and the lack of 
ability to specify physical location of servers (on a topology level) 
could be good for database and database replication?

So, are these things the wave of the future, and will dedicated/co-located 
data center setups fade, or will these types of solutions find their niche 
but expand no further?

Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are.


From mikel.king at olivent.com  Mon May  5 13:06:57 2008
From: mikel.king at olivent.com (Mikel King)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 13:06:57 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] 19" and 24 " equipment cabinets
Message-ID: <99A00728-5E9F-45CD-83B7-F1E9E9E7B6A4@olivent.com>

I have available one 19" and two 24" equipment cabinets. They are  
looking for a good home. If any one is interested contact me off list.

Regards,
Mikel



From matt at atopia.net  Mon May  5 13:10:57 2008
From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 13:10:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSDJobs
In-Reply-To: <99A00728-5E9F-45CD-83B7-F1E9E9E7B6A4@olivent.com>
References: <99A00728-5E9F-45CD-83B7-F1E9E9E7B6A4@olivent.com>
Message-ID: <20080505131032.U75160@mercury.atopia.net>

Heya Mikel,

Did you ever receive that BSDJobs commentary I replied to?

How goes DN?


From skreuzer at exit2shell.com  Mon May  5 17:25:54 2008
From: skreuzer at exit2shell.com (Steven Kreuzer)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:25:54 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Amazon Web Services replacing tradition?
In-Reply-To: <20080502123211.H48715@mercury.atopia.net>
References: <20080502123211.H48715@mercury.atopia.net>
Message-ID: <20080505212554.GD88986@scruffy.exit2shell.com>

On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 12:37:07PM -0400, Matt Juszczak wrote:
> I feel like this is mostly on-topic because it deals with the underlying 
> hardware that the operating system we use on a day to day basis 
> would/could run on.
> 
> I'm noticing more and more organizations, start-ups especially, switching 
> their infrastructure over to virtualization, such as Amazon EC2/S3.
> 
> While I think these sorts of setups (launching/removing instances on the 
> fly, scripting the launch of new infrastructure, etc.) have their purpose, 
> I don't think they are a catch-all for every sort of possible setup.
> 
> For instance, I can't see how the slow disk I/O of s3 and the lack of 
> ability to specify physical location of servers (on a topology level) 
> could be good for database and database replication?
> 
> So, are these things the wave of the future, and will dedicated/co-located 
> data center setups fade, or will these types of solutions find their niche 
> but expand no further?
> 
> Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are.

I think AWS is a nice crutch which allows you to not have to worry too much
about the underlying infrastructure and focus on building your
application and community around your application. As it starts to gain
traction you can quickly and easily provision additional virtual
machines to help meet the demand. What is also really nice is that if
the demand increases for a short period of time and then decreases (i.e
getting slashodtted or dugg) you can simply spin up new
instances and then take them down once the traffic subsides. All that
really happens is that your bill from Amazon will be slightly larger
then the previous month, but you will have managed to keep your site up
and online, which I figure is more important.

As for the physical location of your database servers, that really
should not make a difference. For the most part, your database will
always be the bottleneck regardless as to how close you put it to your
web server. Adding 50ms to the amount of time it will take to open up a
connection to the database is nothing in comparison to how long it takes
to execute a query, parse the results, build the page and then send it
back to the end user. If you have to keep going back to the database to
render every page, your site is not going to scale regardless. Your best
course of action is to prefectch as much as possible, and cache as much
as humanly possible and put those caches as close to your clients. If
you can tailer your site to use prefetched content, you can deploy an EC2
machine to run a batch job for a few hours each for less then a buck,
which is alot more cost effective then purchasing a server for $3,000
and having to pay for electricity and cooling for something that is
going to be idle most of the time.

For caching, look into deploy something like memcached, varnish and
nginx early one, as opposed to waiting until you hit capacity issues and
scramble to find that silver bullet that makes all your problems
disappear.

Personally, I find S3 to be the most interesting offering from Amazon
mainly because from my initial research, it seems like it may be cheaper
to serve static content (images, css) through them then to do it on your
own especially if you happen to have a site the pushes alot of static
content, such as a photo sharing community.

A bonus side effect is that by using S3, you are splitting components
across domains which allows you to maximize the browsers ability to
perform parallel downloads. That alone can help you achieve quicker page
loads. In addition, S3 will also act as a cookie-free domain for your
content. When the browser makes a request for a static content and sends
cookies together with the request, the server doesn't have any use for
those cookies. This increases network traffic for no good reason.
Another benefit of hosting static content on a cookie-free domain is
that some proxies might refuse to cache the components that are
requested with cookies.

The thing that to me seems like a huge issue is that they don't offer an
SLA with their services. In the past, they had had uptime in excess of 4
hours. They can decide to take it offline for days at a time and you
really have no recourse.

However, since they are just using Xen, it allows you to deploy an image
of your choice, configured to your needs. If for whatever reason you
need to migrate off EC2, the process would be fairly painless. (Unlike
AppEngine, which is basically Google somehow making vendor lock in cool)

I think EC2 and S3, when deployed in a thought out manner, can end up
being extremely beneficial and cost effective method to meet the
capacity demands of your site.

-- 
Steven Kreuzer
http://www.exit2shell.com/~skreuzer


From jonathan at kc8onw.net  Mon May  5 22:06:31 2008
From: jonathan at kc8onw.net (jonathan at kc8onw.net)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 22:06:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Smart/managed switches
Message-ID: <59980.214.13.212.26.1210039591.squirrel@www.kc8onw.net>

Hello all,

Even if you don't go through this whole email comments after reading this
first paragraph and "What I want:" are welcome.  Some of you may recall
I'm running satellite internet access in Iraq for ~50 people.  I'm looking
at picking up a few managed gigabit switches in the 8-24 port range.  I
have a 24 port "on loan" that I would like to replace with one of my own
and I also have a couple of 8 port dumb switches I would like to replace. 
The 8 port replacements can be larger of course.

What I want:
Gigabit
8-24 ports
802.1w Rapid spanning tree
rs232 console port for out of band management
As cheap as possible without getting junk

What I am looking at getting:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833129083
24 port SMC smart switch for $230, seems like a steal.  Anyone know
anything about SMC networking products?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122203
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122153
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122138
8, 16 and 24 port Netgears for $95, $245, $250 ($250 is with $40 mail in
rebate) respectively.  I've heard good things about Netgear hardware but
I've also heard that their managed gear can be a headache to work with. 
Also none of the Netgears I'm looking at have console ports which makes me
reluctant to buy them despite the reputation Netgear has for reliability.

Here is the Newegg switch listing I was looking at http://tinyurl.com/6p5rhw

If anyone has any used hardware they are willing to offload that meets my
requirements I'll probably buy it.  I know Cisco is often considered the
way to go but all the Cisco gear I looked at is *way* out of my price
range.

Thanks,
Jonathan Stewart




From techneck at goldenpath.org  Tue May  6 12:36:49 2008
From: techneck at goldenpath.org (Tim A.)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 12:36:49 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Smart/managed switches
In-Reply-To: <59980.214.13.212.26.1210039591.squirrel@www.kc8onw.net>
References: <59980.214.13.212.26.1210039591.squirrel@www.kc8onw.net>
Message-ID: <48208921.7030004@goldenpath.org>

jonathan at kc8onw.net wrote:
> What I want:
> Gigabit
> 8-24 ports
> 802.1w Rapid spanning tree
> rs232 console port for out of band management
> As cheap as possible without getting junk
>   

Personally, that's not a boundary I'd want to explore.
Going with something like HP or Adtran (equipment I'm ready to trust) 
already puts you at 1/2 - 1/3 Cisco prices.
If you want to push the 1/5 - 1/10 boundary, you may find yourself on 
the wrong side of the not-so-fine line between cheap and junk.

Same thing with used equipment. Unless it's for testing or some other 
non-priority role, why get something that has a head start on its trip 
towards its mean-time-to-failure?


From mikel.king at olivent.com  Tue May  6 16:33:16 2008
From: mikel.king at olivent.com (Mikel King)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 16:33:16 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Smart/managed switches
In-Reply-To: <48208921.7030004@goldenpath.org>
References: <59980.214.13.212.26.1210039591.squirrel@www.kc8onw.net>
	<48208921.7030004@goldenpath.org>
Message-ID: <CCD89757-3139-4076-87F3-E5FA65F76B22@olivent.com>


On May 6, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Tim A. wrote:
> jonathan at kc8onw.net wrote:
>> What I want:
>> Gigabit
>> 8-24 ports
>> 802.1w Rapid spanning tree
>> rs232 console port for out of band management
>> As cheap as possible without getting junk
>>
>
> Personally, that's not a boundary I'd want to explore.
> Going with something like HP or Adtran (equipment I'm ready to trust)
> already puts you at 1/2 - 1/3 Cisco prices.
> If you want to push the 1/5 - 1/10 boundary, you may find yourself on
> the wrong side of the not-so-fine line between cheap and junk.
>
> Same thing with used equipment. Unless it's for testing or some other
> non-priority role, why get something that has a head start on its trip
> towards its mean-time-to-failure?

Not to sound like a parrot but I'd run with the Adtran myself... list  
price is $1395, for the 24port 1000bt model, but you can certainly  
find them much cheaper if you know whom to ask.

I've used SMC product in the past as well as Netgear, and on the lower  
end unmanaged well If I would let my client use unmanaged then they  
would be an option.

All that said, we are working with a new D-link 10G beast and well the  
jury is still out on their line of gear...but it is looking like they  
may take that middle tier bet the bottom smc/netgear and the HP/Adtran  
market.

Cheers,
m




From george at galis.org  Tue May  6 19:39:42 2008
From: george at galis.org (George Georgalis)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 19:39:42 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Smart/managed switches
In-Reply-To: <CCD89757-3139-4076-87F3-E5FA65F76B22@olivent.com>
References: <59980.214.13.212.26.1210039591.squirrel@www.kc8onw.net>
	<48208921.7030004@goldenpath.org>
	<CCD89757-3139-4076-87F3-E5FA65F76B22@olivent.com>
Message-ID: <20080506233942.GI4737@run.duo>

On Tue 06 May 2008 at 04:33:16 PM -0400, Mikel King wrote:
>
>On May 6, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Tim A. wrote:
>> jonathan at kc8onw.net wrote:
>>> What I want:
>>> Gigabit
>>> 8-24 ports
>>> 802.1w Rapid spanning tree
>>> rs232 console port for out of band management
>>> As cheap as possible without getting junk
>>>
>>
>> Personally, that's not a boundary I'd want to explore.
>> Going with something like HP or Adtran (equipment I'm ready to trust)
>> already puts you at 1/2 - 1/3 Cisco prices.
>> If you want to push the 1/5 - 1/10 boundary, you may find yourself on
>> the wrong side of the not-so-fine line between cheap and junk.
>>
>> Same thing with used equipment. Unless it's for testing or some other
>> non-priority role, why get something that has a head start on its trip
>> towards its mean-time-to-failure?
>
>Not to sound like a parrot but I'd run with the Adtran myself... list  
>price is $1395, for the 24port 1000bt model, but you can certainly  
>find them much cheaper if you know whom to ask.
>
>I've used SMC product in the past as well as Netgear, and on the lower  
>end unmanaged well If I would let my client use unmanaged then they  
>would be an option.

the (unmanaged) 8 port HP procurve 1Gb switches are ~$100 and
fanless with lifetime warranty. I would stick with procurve for
anything not soho.

// George


-- 
George Georgalis, information system scientist <IXOYE><


From nycbug at chrisbuechler.com  Tue May  6 22:22:58 2008
From: nycbug at chrisbuechler.com (Chris Buechler)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 22:22:58 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] web apps showing diff timezone after FBSD 6.3 ->
 7.0 migration?
In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30805012110j261905feh741cd365b79ec3c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <481A8FB9.2010408@chrisbuechler.com>
	<8c50a3c30805012110j261905feh741cd365b79ec3c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48211282.9090009@chrisbuechler.com>

Marc Spitzer wrote:
> at a guess, what does /etc/localtime look like?  mine is:
>  file localtime
> localtime: symbolic link to `/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York'
>
> You could be pointing to some where else.
>   

Thanks for the reply. It's a cp of 
/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Kentucky/Louisville.  Also tried a cp of 
/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York and it displays the same behavior. 
The `date` output should be incorrect if the timezone is off, it 
displays correctly as long as I use any Eastern zone.

Any other thoughts would be much appreciated.

best,
Chris



From lavalamp at spiritual-machines.org  Wed May  7 13:03:16 2008
From: lavalamp at spiritual-machines.org (Brian A. Seklecki)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:03:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] speaking of 2 factor authentication...
In-Reply-To: <20080425163457.lrbk5n4bkgwow40o@webmail.blueskystudios.com>
References: <20080425163457.lrbk5n4bkgwow40o@webmail.blueskystudios.com>
Message-ID: <20080425164811.G66505@arbitor.digitalfreaks.org>

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008, Mary Lynn Kirby wrote:

> I have just started looking into token based authentication.  I wasn't
> familiar with Entrust IdentityGuard previous to Brian's mention of it.

Platform - It's a Tomcat+JAR+Apache+JRE bundle that you run in a CenOS 
DomU or VM.  RSA offers a rack mount appliance (1U, Windows Embedded)

- Soap XML API for web application integration

- IGD8.1+ has PostgreSQL Background for non-LDAP environments.

- LDAP Servers -- IGD doesn't officially support OpenLDAP, but the Oracle
   Directory Services schema file is easily modified to match the syntax.

- RADIUS Proxy support.

~BAS

>  Does anyone have any experience/wisdom to impart on me?  Things to
> look for, traps to avoid and so forth
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mary Lynn
>
> -- 
> Mary Lynn Kirby
> UNIX/Networking Sys Admin
> Blue Sky Studios
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

l8*
 	-lava (Brian A. Seklecki - Pittsburgh, PA, USA)
 	       http://www.spiritual-machines.org/

     "Guilty? Yeah. But he knows it. I mean, you're guilty.
     You just don't know it. So who's really in jail?"
     ~Maynard James Keenan



From bonsaime at gmail.com  Wed May  7 12:42:14 2008
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 12:42:14 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] web apps showing diff timezone after FBSD 6.3 ->
	7.0 migration?
In-Reply-To: <48211282.9090009@chrisbuechler.com>
References: <481A8FB9.2010408@chrisbuechler.com>
	<8c50a3c30805012110j261905feh741cd365b79ec3c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<48211282.9090009@chrisbuechler.com>
Message-ID: <aa9991030805070942q5a0c9ef3lb840796a451d2f00@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Chris Buechler
<nycbug at chrisbuechler.com> wrote:
> Marc Spitzer wrote:
>> at a guess, what does /etc/localtime look like?  mine is:
>>  file localtime
>> localtime: symbolic link to `/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York'
>>
>> You could be pointing to some where else.
>>
>
> Thanks for the reply. It's a cp of
> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Kentucky/Louisville.  Also tried a cp of
> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York and it displays the same behavior.
> The `date` output should be incorrect if the timezone is off, it
> displays correctly as long as I use any Eastern zone.
>
> Any other thoughts would be much appreciated.
>
> best,
> Chris
>

The MySQL version can certainly have an effect.

-jesse


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Wed May  7 11:31:32 2008
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 11:31:32 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] web apps showing diff timezone after FBSD 6.3 ->
	7.0 migration?
In-Reply-To: <48211282.9090009@chrisbuechler.com>
References: <481A8FB9.2010408@chrisbuechler.com>
	<8c50a3c30805012110j261905feh741cd365b79ec3c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<48211282.9090009@chrisbuechler.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690805070831q74599c66y781ba6f2ab31a8a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Chris Buechler
>
>  Any other thoughts would be much appreciated.
>

I've never seen it set in the real world, but there is a date.timezone
directive in php.ini.


-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From bonsaime at gmail.com  Wed May  7 13:04:40 2008
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:04:40 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] web apps showing diff timezone after FBSD 6.3 ->
	7.0 migration?
In-Reply-To: <aa9991030805070942q5a0c9ef3lb840796a451d2f00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <481A8FB9.2010408@chrisbuechler.com>
	<8c50a3c30805012110j261905feh741cd365b79ec3c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<48211282.9090009@chrisbuechler.com>
	<aa9991030805070942q5a0c9ef3lb840796a451d2f00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa9991030805071004j17f72efbw4e5e347903a591df@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Jesse Callaway <bonsaime at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Chris Buechler
> <nycbug at chrisbuechler.com> wrote:
>> Marc Spitzer wrote:
>>> at a guess, what does /etc/localtime look like?  mine is:
>>>  file localtime
>>> localtime: symbolic link to `/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York'
>>>
>>> You could be pointing to some where else.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the reply. It's a cp of
>> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Kentucky/Louisville.  Also tried a cp of
>> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York and it displays the same behavior.
>> The `date` output should be incorrect if the timezone is off, it
>> displays correctly as long as I use any Eastern zone.
>>
>> Any other thoughts would be much appreciated.
>>
>> best,
>> Chris
>>
>
> The MySQL version can certainly have an effect.
>
> -jesse
>

Hey, sorry I'm not being more helpful here. I just remember it being
an issue with this one website. Often the date pulled from mysql is
used across the web app for consistency. I forget how to fix it, since
I didn't have to. But it's likely not the OS from what you're saying.

-jesse


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Wed May  7 11:32:23 2008
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 11:32:23 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] web apps showing diff timezone after FBSD 6.3 ->
	7.0 migration?
In-Reply-To: <b76252690805070831q74599c66y781ba6f2ab31a8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <481A8FB9.2010408@chrisbuechler.com>
	<8c50a3c30805012110j261905feh741cd365b79ec3c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<48211282.9090009@chrisbuechler.com>
	<b76252690805070831q74599c66y781ba6f2ab31a8a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690805070832pf065846teb72c1ac42250499@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM, csnyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Chris Buechler
>
> >
>  >  Any other thoughts would be much appreciated.
>  >
>
>  I've never seen it set in the real world, but there is a date.timezone
>  directive in php.ini.
>

Whoops, scratch that, it doesn't apply to PHP 4.x.


-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From njt at ayvali.org  Thu May  8 00:11:02 2008
From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 00:11:02 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] [OT] okan's wm
Message-ID: <20080508041102.GD10496@ayvali.org>

One question I wanted to ask at tonight's meeting, but it was OT so I
didn't: what window manager was Okan using?

It looked like ratpoison or something related but I wasn't sure. In any
case, I liked the minimalism and the proficient switching of
xterms/browser/presentation software.

thanks,
Thomas

-- 
N.J. Thomas
njt at ayvali.org
Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo


From nycbug at cyth.net  Thu May  8 02:34:28 2008
From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 02:34:28 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] [OT] okan's wm
In-Reply-To: <20080508041102.GD10496@ayvali.org>
References: <20080508041102.GD10496@ayvali.org>
Message-ID: <7765c0380805072334q4fd0ba19o9d59c07f5fa182c2@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:11 AM, N.J. Thomas <njt at ayvali.org> wrote:
> One question I wanted to ask at tonight's meeting, but it was OT so I
>  didn't: what window manager was Okan using?
>
>  It looked like ratpoison or something related but I wasn't sure. In any
>  case, I liked the minimalism and the proficient switching of
>  xterms/browser/presentation software.

I think he uses cwm, which was originally from
<http://monkey.org/~marius/pages/?page=cwm> but then imported into
OpenBSD and further worked on.  (But this is coming from a guy who
didn't attend the meeting. Sorry!)

-Ray-


From okan at demirmen.com  Thu May  8 07:30:10 2008
From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 07:30:10 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] [OT] okan's wm
In-Reply-To: <7765c0380805072334q4fd0ba19o9d59c07f5fa182c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080508041102.GD10496@ayvali.org>
	<7765c0380805072334q4fd0ba19o9d59c07f5fa182c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080508113010.GX10923@clam.khaoz.org>

On Thu 2008.05.08 at 02:34 -0400, Ray Lai wrote:
> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:11 AM, N.J. Thomas <njt at ayvali.org> wrote:
> > One question I wanted to ask at tonight's meeting, but it was OT so I
> >  didn't: what window manager was Okan using?
> >
> >  It looked like ratpoison or something related but I wasn't sure. In any
> >  case, I liked the minimalism and the proficient switching of
> >  xterms/browser/presentation software.
> 
> I think he uses cwm, which was originally from
> <http://monkey.org/~marius/pages/?page=cwm> but then imported into
> OpenBSD and further worked on.  (But this is coming from a guy who
> didn't attend the meeting. Sorry!)

slacker.

but yes, cwm(1).  it is based on marius' cwm, but has changed quite a
bit since imported....and ever evolving.

cheers,
okan


From nikolai at fetissov.org  Thu May  8 10:48:54 2008
From: nikolai at fetissov.org (nikolai)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:48:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] May 2008 meeting audio
Message-ID: <5211.204.153.88.2.1210258134.squirrel@www.geekisp.com>

Folks,

Audio of Okan's presentation is available at
http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/

Cheers,
--
 Nikolai



From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com  Fri May  9 12:05:35 2008
From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:05:35 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Amazon Web Services replacing tradition?
In-Reply-To: <20080505212554.GD88986@scruffy.exit2shell.com>
References: <20080502123211.H48715@mercury.atopia.net>
	<20080505212554.GD88986@scruffy.exit2shell.com>
Message-ID: <748265CB-B04C-4C1E-A02C-9DC24D248561@2xlp.com>

I haven't heard many good stories about EC2.

I've heard nightmarish stories about S3 that rest solely on the  
implementor's ineptness.


S3 is a fucking beautiful thing.
Thanks to S3, instead of insane partitioning, clustering, and  
redundancy management of uploaded photographs as 'originals' and  
resizes... i just upload to s3 and don't worry.

*EVERY* single s3 issue i've seen has to do with people relying  
entirely on s3.  that's crazy ( i think ).

with findmeon, we store on s3 and do local caching/proxying to s3  
content based on some custom load algorithms.  never had a problem .   
this setup is 99% because we create different keys for the same s3  
image per-user identity, and then fuck with the image a bit (this way  
normal means of compariing 2 images by md5/etc won't work).

with other projects, i store on s3 and point CDN servers at it.   
costs almost the same, uses better serving infrastructure.

s3 is cheaper and easier.  i'd rather spend my money working on db  
relplication and clustering than storing photos across servers.


From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com  Fri May  9 12:07:50 2008
From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:07:50 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Confluence on BSD?
Message-ID: <44B3432B-CCBE-4C03-8C03-59F6BF867496@2xlp.com>


Has anyone installed Confluence on a BSD box  , and can offer some  
pointers ?

I'm running FreeBSD 6.1, and all the info I've found out there is  
from linux users.  It's a 60MB source appserver, so I'm expecting  
issues to pop up.


// Jonathan Vanasco

w. http://findmeon.com/user/jvanasco
e. jonathan at findmeon.com

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From bonsaime at gmail.com  Fri May  9 15:42:41 2008
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:42:41 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] ftp2.freebsd.org off kilter
Message-ID: <aa9991030805091242m43c4c471q3368bb27d8b75458@mail.gmail.com>

I've seen some little issues with servers being unavailable before,
but I'm seeing the weirdest thing right now.

Here's a snippet of my login from an OpenBSD box using the system ftp
client. Furthermore, my get request is hanging.

Command to get here was: ftp ftp2.freebsd.org

...
login as anonymous, cd to /pub/FreeBSD and then...

ftp> ls
227 =130,94,149,162,234,137
150 Waiting for transfer connection...
+i101.102993056,m1193028210,/,  CTM
+i101.102993064,m1209096679,/,  CVSup
+i101.102992941,m1209094486,/,  FreeBSD-current
+i101.102993054,m1209094581,/,  FreeBSD-stable


Weird format for the ls command. The output is actually normal now
that I get a chance to look at it. Ok, no it's not.. but it's
understandable. Looks live Verio maintains the mirror.

ftp> cd 7.0
250 "/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/7.0"
ftp> ls
227 =130,94,149,162,193,253
150 Waiting for transfer connection...
+i101.105937005,m1203899933,r,s411,     CHECKSUM.MD5
+i101.105937693,m1203534666,r,s35284992,        7.0-RC3-i386-bootonly.iso
+i101.105937694,m1203534706,r,s534183936,       7.0-RC3-i386-disc1.iso
+i101.105937695,m1203534824,r,s728481792,       7.0-RC3-i386-disc2.iso
+i101.105937696,m1203534886,r,s368578560,       7.0-RC3-i386-disc3.iso
+i101.105937697,m1203534948,r,s248350720,       7.0-RC3-i386-docs.iso
+i101.105937698,m1203535012,r,s224663552,       7.0-RC3-i386-livefs.iso
+i101.105937340,m1203900020,r,s621,     CHECKSUM.SHA256
+i101.105937338,m1203899647,r,s35276800,        7.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso
+i101.105937339,m1203899707,r,s534177792,       7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso
+i101.105936998,m1203899754,r,s728487936,       7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso
+i101.105937000,m1203899779,r,s368592896,       7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc3.iso
+i101.105937002,m1203899840,r,s248350720,       7.0-RELEASE-i386-docs.iso
+i101.105937004,m1203899899,r,s224655360,       7.0-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso
226 Success.


-jesse


From bonsaime at gmail.com  Fri May  9 15:54:58 2008
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 15:54:58 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] ftp2.freebsd.org off kilter
In-Reply-To: <aa9991030805091242m43c4c471q3368bb27d8b75458@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa9991030805091242m43c4c471q3368bb27d8b75458@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa9991030805091254s2c57d5b7l107b47221e177a00@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Jesse Callaway <bonsaime at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've seen some little issues with servers being unavailable before,
> but I'm seeing the weirdest thing right now.
>
> Here's a snippet of my login from an OpenBSD box using the system ftp
> client. Furthermore, my get request is hanging.
>
> Command to get here was: ftp ftp2.freebsd.org
>
> ...
> login as anonymous, cd to /pub/FreeBSD and then...
>
> ftp> ls
> 227 =130,94,149,162,234,137
> 150 Waiting for transfer connection...
> +i101.102993056,m1193028210,/,  CTM
> +i101.102993064,m1209096679,/,  CVSup
> +i101.102992941,m1209094486,/,  FreeBSD-current
> +i101.102993054,m1209094581,/,  FreeBSD-stable
>
>
> Weird format for the ls command. The output is actually normal now
> that I get a chance to look at it. Ok, no it's not.. but it's
> understandable. Looks live Verio maintains the mirror.
>
> ftp> cd 7.0
> 250 "/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/7.0"
> ftp> ls
> 227 =130,94,149,162,193,253
> 150 Waiting for transfer connection...
> +i101.105937005,m1203899933,r,s411,     CHECKSUM.MD5
> +i101.105937693,m1203534666,r,s35284992,        7.0-RC3-i386-bootonly.iso
> +i101.105937694,m1203534706,r,s534183936,       7.0-RC3-i386-disc1.iso
> +i101.105937695,m1203534824,r,s728481792,       7.0-RC3-i386-disc2.iso
> +i101.105937696,m1203534886,r,s368578560,       7.0-RC3-i386-disc3.iso
> +i101.105937697,m1203534948,r,s248350720,       7.0-RC3-i386-docs.iso
> +i101.105937698,m1203535012,r,s224663552,       7.0-RC3-i386-livefs.iso
> +i101.105937340,m1203900020,r,s621,     CHECKSUM.SHA256
> +i101.105937338,m1203899647,r,s35276800,        7.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso
> +i101.105937339,m1203899707,r,s534177792,       7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso
> +i101.105936998,m1203899754,r,s728487936,       7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso
> +i101.105937000,m1203899779,r,s368592896,       7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc3.iso
> +i101.105937002,m1203899840,r,s248350720,       7.0-RELEASE-i386-docs.iso
> +i101.105937004,m1203899899,r,s224655360,       7.0-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso
> 226 Success.
>
>
> -jesse
>

Eventually i got a core dump from ftp.

-jesse


From josh at rivels.org  Fri May  9 17:07:54 2008
From: josh at rivels.org (Josh Rivel)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 17:07:54 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] ftp2.freebsd.org off kilter
In-Reply-To: <aa9991030805091254s2c57d5b7l107b47221e177a00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa9991030805091242m43c4c471q3368bb27d8b75458@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa9991030805091254s2c57d5b7l107b47221e177a00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080509210754.GB12550@rivels.org>


Jesse,

Jesse Callaway wrote...
> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Jesse Callaway <bonsaime at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've seen some little issues with servers being unavailable before,
> > but I'm seeing the weirdest thing right now.
> >
> > Here's a snippet of my login from an OpenBSD box using the system ftp
> > client. Furthermore, my get request is hanging.
> >
> > Command to get here was: ftp ftp2.freebsd.org
> >

[snip]

They are using the publicfile FTP server, which generates
the listings that look like that.

http://cr.yp.to/publicfile.html

--
josh


From carton at Ivy.NET  Fri May  9 20:12:22 2008
From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 20:12:22 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] ftp2.freebsd.org off kilter
In-Reply-To: <aa9991030805091254s2c57d5b7l107b47221e177a00@mail.gmail.com>
	(Jesse Callaway's message of "Fri, 9 May 2008 15:54:58 -0400")
References: <aa9991030805091242m43c4c471q3368bb27d8b75458@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa9991030805091254s2c57d5b7l107b47221e177a00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <oqskwr5861.fsf@castrovalva.Ivy.NET>

>>>>> "jc" == Jesse Callaway <bonsaime at gmail.com> writes:

    jc> Eventually i got a core dump from ftp.

yeah, i bet.  it's the Easily Parsed List Format.  are you having as
easy a time parsing it as i am?

djb is so thoroughly obnoxious he belongs on FidoNet.
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From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com  Mon May 12 12:38:45 2008
From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:38:45 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] freebsd java
Message-ID: <E0B10722-696E-4F55-B17A-13C169B4FB62@2xlp.com>

is anyone good at installs here?

I'm trying to get confluence installed for this open source project  
we're doing... and my experienece (+ other's recommendations) so far  
is "Get a linux box"




Jonathan Vanasco
e. jvanasco at 2xlp.com




From lists at intricatesoftware.com  Wed May 14 13:41:10 2008
From: lists at intricatesoftware.com (Kurt Miller)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:41:10 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] freebsd java
Message-ID: <200805141341.10708.lists@intricatesoftware.com>

Yes. I'm very good at installs and I've done a large portion of the porting work
too - both FreeBSD and OpenBSD. Feel free to contact me off-list for consulting
work or on-list for simple questions.

On Monday 12 May 2008 12:38:45 pm Jonathan Vanasco wrote:
> is anyone good at installs here?
> 
> I'm trying to get confluence installed for this open source project  
> we're doing... and my experienece (+ other's recommendations) so far  
> is "Get a linux box"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jonathan Vanasco
> e. jvanasco at 2xlp.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>


From compustretch at gmail.com  Thu May 15 13:52:36 2008
From: compustretch at gmail.com (forest mars)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:52:36 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Serving High Performance Web Sites --- UNIGROUP
	Meeting 22-MAY-2008 (Thu):
Message-ID: <c2f754300805151052y302e6c3o1f596aca0c94238a@mail.gmail.com>

Question for the list, who has made the jump from Apache to a faster web
server?

This talk next Thursday will be a technical look at benchmarking Apache and
alternative web servers.
I got a bit of a preview and it looks really good.

-Forest


================================================================
UNIGROUP OF NEW YORK - UNIX USERS GROUP - MAY 2008 ANNOUNCEMENTS
================================================================

  ----------------------------------
1. UNIGROUP'S MAY 2008 MEETING NOTICE
  ----------------------------------

     When:  THURSDAY, May 22, 2008    (** SPECIAL 4th Thursday **)

    Where:  Alliance for Downtown NY Conference Facility
            Downtown Center
            104 Washington Street
            South West Corner of Wall Street Area
            Downtown, New York City
            ** Please RSVP (not mandatory) **

     Time:  6:15 PM - 6:25 PM  Registration
            6:25 PM - 6:45 PM  Ask the Wizard, Questions,
                               Answers and Current Events
            6:45 PM - 7:00 PM  Unigroup Business and Announcements
            7:00 PM - 9:30 PM  Main Presentation

            -------------------------------------------------------
    Topic:  Serving High Performance Web Sites - Where Apache Fails
            -------------------------------------------------------

  Speaker:  Anthony Ferrara,
            Bigtrue INC.

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  INTRODUCTION:
  -------------

  This month's presentation should be very interesting... a technical
  talk on High Performance Web Servers and alternatives.

  We are also planning our next BSD meeting, with another
  presentation from George Neville-Neil of the The FreeBSD Project
  Team...  tentatively something along the lines of: The FreeBSD
  Networking Stack (including recent work on supporting very
  high speed Ethernet standards, and security/packet filtering).

  We are also planning a Launch Meeting for the newly released
  OpenSolaris (Project Indiana) Distribution.

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS:
  ---------------------

  To REGISTER for this event, please RSVP by using the Unigroup
  Registration Page:
        http://www.unigroup.org/unigroup-rsvp.html

  This will allow us to automate the registration process.
  (Registration will also add you to our mailing list.)
  Please avoid emailed RSVPs.

  Please continue to check the Unigroup web site and meeting page,
  for any last minute updates concerning this meeting.  If you
  registered for this meeting, please check your email for any last
  minute announcements as the meeting approaches.  Also make sure
  any anti-spam white-lists are updated to _ALLOW_ Unigroup traffic!
  If you block Unigroup Emails, your address will be dropped from our
  mailing list.

  Please RSVP as soon as possible.

  Note: RSVP is not mandatory for this location, but it does help
        us to properly plan the meeting (food, drinks, handouts,
        seating, etc.).

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  MAIN PRESENTATION
  -----------------

  Topic: Serving High Performance Web Sites - Where Apache Fails

  For nearly a decade, Apache has been seen as the only practical
  choice for serving static and dynamic content.  To this day, it
  powers the majority of all web sites.  However, Apache has several
  limitations and forthcomings (especially in the area of
  performance).  Nearly a decade of experience has many people
  believing that these limitations are inherent in serving content
  (An entire industry has even been created to deal with these
  limitations).  In reality, none of these limitations exist.
  We'll look into some of these shortcomings, and alternative
  technologies which exist that do not suffer from them.

  This talk will focus on technical and theoretical limitations
  inherent to the design of Apache.  There will be at least a few
  benchmark results shown and explained.  A big part of the talk
  will focus on why mod_php fails, and why FastCGI is superior.

  The following alternative web servers will be discussed:
    - FastCGI over mod_{php,perl,ruby,etc}
    - Lighttpd Web Server
    - Nginx  (if there is time to finish the benchmarks)
    - TUX webserver  (discussed briefly, including some
        system layouts possible with it)

  Web Resources:
  --------------

    Apache Web Server
      http://httpd.apache.org/

    Lighttpd Web Server
      http://www.lighttpd.net/

    Nginx
      http://nginx.net/

    Apache Modules: FastCGI over mod_{php,perl,ruby}
      http://modules.apache.org/search?id=73
      http://modules.apache.org/search?id=80

    TUX Web Server
      http://www.stllinux.org/meeting_notes/2001/0719/tux/index.html

    Joomla CMS
      http://joomla.org

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  Speaker Biography:
  ------------------

  Anthony Ferrara is the team lead of the Joomla! Bug Squad, a
  member of the Joomla! Developer work group, owner and operator
  of JoomlaPerformance.com, and has released open source several
  caching programs to increase website speed.  He has quite varied
  background ranging from Mathematics to Emergency
  Medicine (and quite a bit in between).

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  Company Biography:
  ------------------

  Anthony's company, Bigtrue INC, specializes in consulting and
  development focusing on performance (specializing in
  the Joomla CMS).

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  Giveaways:
  ----------

  Addison-Wesley Professional/Prentice Hall PTR has been kind
  enough to provide us with some of their books, which we will
  continue to raffle off as giveaways at our meetings.

  O'Reilly has been kind enough to provide us with some of their
  books, which we will continue to raffle off as giveaways at our
  meetings.

  Unigroup would like to thank both companies for the support
  provided by their User Group programs.

  Note: The chances tend to be about 1 in 5, that any attendee of
  our meeting will walk away with a fairly valuable giveaway
  (ie. most books are valued between $30 and $60)!

  ** Thanks to our friends at Sun Microsystems, Unigroup also has
     some Solaris 10 DVDs to raffle off.

  As always, all of the books will be available for review at the
  start of the meeting.

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  Fee Schedule:
      Yearly Membership (includes all meetings):      $ 50.00
      Non-Member Single Meeting:                      $ 20.00
      Student Yearly Membership (with ID):            $ 20.00
      Non-Member Student Single Meeting (with ID):    $  5.00
      Payment Methods: Cash, Check, American Express.

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  Complimentary Food and Refreshments will be served.  This includes
  "wraps" such as turkey, roast beef, chicken, tuna and grilled
  vegetables as well as assorted salads (potato, tossed,
  pasta, etc), cookies, brownies, bottled water and assorted beverages.

  -------------------------------------------------------------------

  Directions:

    Alliance for Downtown NY Conference Facility
    Downtown Center
    104 Washington Street
    Wall Street Area
    Downtown, New York City

  This building is located on the West side of the street, the
  second building north of Rector Street.  Cross Streets:
  Between Rector (South) and Carlisle (North) Streets.

  Our meeting location is in the Lower West Corner of Downtown,
  North of the Battery Tunnel, South of the Downtown Hotel,
  East of West Street, and West of Greenwich Street.  Walking West
  on Rector Street from Broadway, you pass Church, Greenwich then
  Washington Streets.

  There are multiple blocks of parking lots right there, between
  Washington and Greenwich Streets, starting at the Battery Tunnel
  and extending North for a number of blocks.

  Nearest mass transit stations, in order, are the '1/9' (Rector
  Street), 'R/W' (Rector Street) and the '4/5' (Wall Street).

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  Please mark this meeting on your calendar and join us!
  Please tell your friends about Unigroup!

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2. LOCAL NYC EVENTS
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  a) IASA IT Architect NYC Regional Conference - May 22-23 2008
     ==========================================================

     The IT Architect Regional Conference is the largest event
     in NYC which addresses the needs of IT architects today.
     This event is sponsored by the NYC IASA Chapter.

     For information and paid registration visit:
       http://www.iasahome.org/web/itarc/nyc

     For information about the local IASA NYC Chapter visit:
       http://www.iasahome.org/web/newyork


  b) SIFMA (formerly SIA) Technology Management Conference 2008
     ==========================================================

     Date:  Tue, June 10  12:00pm -  6:00pm
            Wed, June 11,  9:00am -  6:00pm
            Thu, June 12,  9:00am - 12:00pm

     Where: Hilton New York
            1335 6th Avenue
            NYC

     For information and online registration visit:
       http://events.sifma.org/2008/107/event.aspx?id=526

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3. UPCOMING MEETINGS
  -----------------

  We have a series of meetings in the works:

  - FreeBSD 7 Launch Meeting, Part 2
  - OpenSolaris Launch Meeting
  - Planning: IPsec and IPv6 and VPNs  (possibly 3 meetings)
  - Planning: Unix/Linux/BSD Distribution Round Table Discussions
  - Planning: Asterix / Bayonne / OpenPBX-CallWeaver / VoIP
  - Planning: NO SPAM!
  - Crypto / PKI / GPG-PGP
  - The latest on *BSD (NetBSD/OpenBSD)
  - Patching and Updating Unix/Linux/BSD (rpm. yum, yast, etc.)
  - Building Custom Kernels Unix/Linux/BSD
  - Are there too many Linux Distributions?
  - Unix/Linux/BSD Clusters and Clustered Databases
  - Linux Clustering Part 3: Beowulf version 2
  - Building a Firewall using FreeBSD and Linux
  - LAMP Part 2 - PHP
  - Field Trip to HP
  - Unix 35th Birthday Celebration (Sun has offered to host this!)
  - Samba
  - DNS
  - High Performance Internet Servers / Web Acceleration
  - Unix Office Tools: Word Processors, Spreadsheets, Accounting Packages.
  - GNU Development Environments
  - iSCSI, Serial ATA, and other new peripheral technologies
  - Java and/or JavaScript Programming

  ** Unigroup Needs Speakers!!
  Please let us know about any other meeting topics that you may be
  interested in.  Potential speakers on Unix/Linux/BSD related
  technology topics should please contact the Unigroup Board.

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  ** Formal Thank You's to our previous speakers will appear
     in an upcoming announcement.

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5. UNIGROUP INFORMATION
  --------------------

  Unigroup is one of the oldest and largest Unix User's Groups serving
  the Greater New York City Regional Area since the early 1980s.  Unigroup
  is a not-for-profit, vendor-neutral and member funded volunteer
  organization.  Unigroup holds regular and special event meetings
  throughout the year on technical topics relating to Unix and the Unix
  User Community.  Unigroup is/was also the Greater NYC Regional Area
  Affiliate of UniForum - an International Unix Users Group.

  Unigroup holds regular meetings planned for (at a minimum) the Third
  THURSDAY of Odd Months.  We generally try to hold Field Trip or
  Vendor Specific Meetings on the Even Months, although we do have the
  ability to hold monthly meetings at our new downtown meeting location.

  Planned regular meeting dates are (usually 3rd Thursdays):
    5/22/2008, 7/17/2008, 9/18/2008, 11/20/2008, 1/15/2009...
  Watch for our Special Event meetings at the various trade shows in NYC
  as well as "Field Trips" to the facilities of local hardware and
  software vendors.

  =========================================================================
  = For Unigroup Information, Events and Meeting Announcements be sure to =
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  Email announcements, please send us an Email and we will make
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From njt at ayvali.org  Thu May 15 14:45:47 2008
From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:45:47 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] who has made the jump from Apache to a faster web
	server?
In-Reply-To: <c2f754300805151052y302e6c3o1f596aca0c94238a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2f754300805151052y302e6c3o1f596aca0c94238a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080515184547.GA30698@ayvali.org>

* forest mars <compustretch at gmail.com> [2008-05-15 13:52:36-0400]:
> Question for the list, who has made the jump from Apache to a faster web
> server?

At one shop I was at, they were serving banner ads to various sites. The
ads themselves were typically jpg/gif/png images on the order of about
10kb. We were using Apache 1 at the time to serve these and had no
problems.

Then one day someone uploads a 100kb ad. The filters they had in place
at the time checked to see if the banner size was correct and the file
was not corrupted, but didn't flag the size.

The size alone wouldn't have been a problem, except that the ad began
running on a VERY high traffic site. So we went from x connections per
second to about 10x connections per second, serving a file that was 10
times larger than normal.

Apache ground to a crawl shortly thereafter. Luckily, it was running on
a FreeBSD server, so nothing stopped, it was just very slow.

After we analyzed the problem, we used lighttpd to serve up the banner
ads. The load (with logging turned off) went down to almost nothing, and
we didn't have to change anything else.

I'm told that the traffic has increased significantly since them, but
they haven't touched the lighttpd setup -- it's doing just fine.

NB: I was told by someone that it was possible to strip down Apache to
the point where it was as fast and lean as lighttpd, but I've never
tried it.

Thomas

-- 
N.J. Thomas
njt at ayvali.org
Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo


From george at galis.org  Thu May 15 16:49:00 2008
From: george at galis.org (George Georgalis)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 16:49:00 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Serving High Performance Web Sites --- UNIGROUP
	Meeting	22-MAY-2008 (Thu):
In-Reply-To: <c2f754300805151052y302e6c3o1f596aca0c94238a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2f754300805151052y302e6c3o1f596aca0c94238a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080515204900.GC24665@run.duo>

On Thu 15 May 2008 at 01:52:36 PM -0400, forest mars wrote:
>Question for the list, who has made the jump from Apache to a faster web
>server?

well one approach is to use squid as a reverse proxy.
problem with a lot of (all) alternate webservers is
they are not apache, so various modules and howtos just
don't apply to alternate. Using a reverse proxy lets
the proxy serve pages that don't require apache while
querying your *unchanged* apache should a request come
for dynamic or expired content. Squid is designed for
speed.

// George



-- 
George Georgalis, information system scientist <IXOYE><


From compustretch at gmail.com  Fri May 16 15:39:47 2008
From: compustretch at gmail.com (forest mars)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:39:47 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Serving High Performance Web Sites --- UNIGROUP
	Meeting 22-MAY-2008 (Thu):
In-Reply-To: <20080515204900.GC24665@run.duo>
References: <c2f754300805151052y302e6c3o1f596aca0c94238a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080515204900.GC24665@run.duo>
Message-ID: <c2f754300805161239y48ca5119q9d8d04b5731974a0@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:49 PM, George Georgalis <george at galis.org> wrote:

> well one approach is to use squid as a reverse proxy.
> problem with a lot of (all) alternate webservers is
> they are not apache, so various modules and howtos just
> don't apply to alternate. Using a reverse proxy lets
> the proxy serve pages that don't require apache while
> querying your *unchanged* apache should a request come
> for dynamic or expired content. Squid is designed for
> speed.
>


That's one approach for sure, though it seems like it's rate of adoption has
dropped off, possibly bc it's seems easier to do just about anything aster
with lighttpd. I don't know offhand any corner cases of something you
*can't* do faster with light-y, though there may very well be some.

So aside from squid adding an extra point of failure, and whether or not
squid is designed for speed, what about the added latency to parse & proxy
each request? Not to mention the additional hardware requirements that don't
actually give you any real increase in capacity, even after throwing
additional cpu cycles to compensate for the performance hit. I'm just
saying...

ps to George- Hope you can make the talk on Thursday, just to keep things
lively!


best,

Forest Mars

-- 
"In theory, theory and practice are exactly the same.
In practice, they're completely different."

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From george at galis.org  Fri May 16 16:49:07 2008
From: george at galis.org (George Georgalis)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 16:49:07 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Serving High Performance Web Sites --- UNIGROUP
	Meeting	22-MAY-2008 (Thu):
In-Reply-To: <c2f754300805161239y48ca5119q9d8d04b5731974a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2f754300805151052y302e6c3o1f596aca0c94238a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080515204900.GC24665@run.duo>
	<c2f754300805161239y48ca5119q9d8d04b5731974a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080516204907.GG24665@run.duo>

On Fri 16 May 2008 at 03:39:47 PM -0400, forest mars wrote:
>On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:49 PM, George Georgalis <george at galis.org> wrote:
>
>> well one approach is to use squid as a reverse proxy.
>> problem with a lot of (all) alternate webservers is
>> they are not apache, so various modules and howtos just
>> don't apply to alternate. Using a reverse proxy lets
>> the proxy serve pages that don't require apache while
>> querying your *unchanged* apache should a request come
>> for dynamic or expired content. Squid is designed for
>> speed.
>>
>
>
>That's one approach for sure, though it seems like it's rate of adoption has
>dropped off, possibly bc it's seems easier to do just about anything aster
>with lighttpd. I don't know offhand any corner cases of something you
>*can't* do faster with light-y, though there may very well be some.
>
>So aside from squid adding an extra point of failure, and whether or not
>squid is designed for speed, what about the added latency to parse & proxy
>each request? Not to mention the additional hardware requirements that don't
>actually give you any real increase in capacity, even after throwing
>additional cpu cycles to compensate for the performance hit. I'm just
>saying...

a squid proxy in front of apache is much faster.

it can run on the same host, the config file is 98%
comments, probably the only doc you need, but it can be
overwhelming, at least for reverse proxy you only need
to uncomment/adjust 2 or 3 lines.

>ps to George- Hope you can make the talk on Thursday, just to keep things
>lively!

can't make it; and wouldn't want to get in a debate
anyway... works for me. :)

// George



-- 
George Georgalis, information system scientist <IXOYE><


From skreuzer at exit2shell.com  Fri May 16 17:08:13 2008
From: skreuzer at exit2shell.com (Steven Kreuzer)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:08:13 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Serving High Performance Web Sites ---
	UNIGROUP	Meeting 22-MAY-2008 (Thu):
In-Reply-To: <c2f754300805161239y48ca5119q9d8d04b5731974a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2f754300805151052y302e6c3o1f596aca0c94238a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080515204900.GC24665@run.duo>
	<c2f754300805161239y48ca5119q9d8d04b5731974a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080516210813.GA67455@scruffy.exit2shell.com>

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 03:39:47PM -0400, forest mars wrote:
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 4:49 PM, George Georgalis <george at galis.org> wrote:
> 
> > well one approach is to use squid as a reverse proxy.
> > problem with a lot of (all) alternate webservers is
> > they are not apache, so various modules and howtos just
> > don't apply to alternate. Using a reverse proxy lets
> > the proxy serve pages that don't require apache while
> > querying your *unchanged* apache should a request come
> > for dynamic or expired content. Squid is designed for
> > speed.
> >
> 
> 
> That's one approach for sure, though it seems like it's rate of adoption has
> dropped off, possibly bc it's seems easier to do just about anything aster
> with lighttpd. I don't know offhand any corner cases of something you
> *can't* do faster with light-y, though there may very well be some.
> 
> So aside from squid adding an extra point of failure, and whether or not
> squid is designed for speed, what about the added latency to parse & proxy
> each request? Not to mention the additional hardware requirements that don't
> actually give you any real increase in capacity, even after throwing
> additional cpu cycles to compensate for the performance hit. I'm just
> saying...

I might be derailing slightly but....

If you are going to throw a reverse-proxy HTTP accelerator in front of your
web servers, you're better off using varnish[1] instead of squid. This blog
entry[2] does a really good job at explaining everything that is wrong with
squid and varnish's architecture notes[3] also go into great detail as well.

A while back while I was experimenting with squid on FreeBSD I wrote down
some notes[4] on how to get the most bang for your buck. You might find them
handy if you are using squid.

[1] http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/
[2] http://seankelly.tv/blog/blogentry.2007-03-02.4768602564
[3] http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/wiki/ArchitectNotes
[4] http://exit2shell.com/~skreuzer/squid.txt

--
Steven Kreuzer
http://www.exit2shell.com/~skreuzer


From nycbug-list at 2xlp.com  Fri May 16 17:26:19 2008
From: nycbug-list at 2xlp.com (Jonathan Vanasco)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:26:19 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Serving High Performance Web Sites --- UNIGROUP
	Meeting 22-MAY-2008 (Thu):
In-Reply-To: <c2f754300805151052y302e6c3o1f596aca0c94238a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c2f754300805151052y302e6c3o1f596aca0c94238a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CBCED959-A77D-435B-BE0A-BEB80967CD31@2xlp.com>

On May 15, 2008, at 1:52 PM, forest mars wrote:
> Question for the list, who has made the jump from Apache to a  
> faster web server?

I mostly dropped Apache about 4 years ago.

Most of my work since 2003 has been under mod_perl - which for the  
unknowing, is a perl interpreter compiled into Apache with various  
hooks to turn it into an Application Server.

It works *really* well, and is a pure joy to use -- but speed  
improvements are gained with memory use.  The 'default' recommended  
setup is to run 2 versions of Apache -- one 'Vanilla' on port 80, and  
another one (or more) with mod_perl compiled in on the 8*** ports.

While working on an earlier project I worked on ( RoadSound.com ) I  
became an early adopter of lighttpd.  It was f*ing amazing.  Aside  
from being tiny and more robust than the other micro-servers, it was  
really portable.  You could run one lighttpd, proxy that to multiple  
ports on the same box with little overhead, and have tons of little  
lightys running php apps or whatever in isolated dirs or even jails.

Unfortunately, lighty had a *really* bad memory leak on the proxy  
module circa 2006.  It didn't close connections or something stupid,  
and your process would just grow and grow.  Fixing it was de- 
prioritized to develop new features and seemingly cater to youtube  
and other high profile sites.  I got frustrated and looked for new  
options.

I found nginx as a joke -- I looked to see what all the russian mp3  
porn warez & hacker sites were using.  i figured the russians are  
resourceful, seem to breed BRILLIANT mathematicians and engineers,  
write lean code, and tend to use older tech than us.  I also figured  
that a lot of those sites run on compromised boxes -- so a server  
would have to be small.   I rationalized that they might have some  
super-fast server systems - and was right.  I found nginx by checking  
header info for all the 'grey' russian sites -- they all used it.

I wasn't ready to make the jump, but Bob ( Ippolito , Mochimedia )  
was -- lighttpd had to be restarted every hour or so on their  
cluster.  He jumped and raved about it "it just fucking works like it  
should!" or something like that.  I switched onto it too , and have  
been ecstatic ever since.  it works like it should, and there just  
aren't bugs all that often.

On one of my typical boxes, i have
	80 nginx
		static content + php fcgi
	8080-8089 apache::mod_perl
		mod_perl apps ; usually 1-4 different 'master' apaches, and a  
handful of children

for my concerns, speed/throughput isn't as important as memory.   
nginx takes up no cpu/mem -- which means I can push that to mod_perl  
or php.  under apache, its something like 20 MB for the parent  
process and ~ 10 for each child once they respawn ( they all start  
out at 5MB, but seem to max at 20/10 after a few thousand requests )  
-- which comes out to 80MB total.  with nginx, i get another 70MB of  
usable memory for apps.  I like that.


in terms of throughput -- IIRC, there are some kernel limits to  
FreeBSD in terms of connections, and you need to jump to linux in  
order to really get a fast/high octane server. 
  


From dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca  Sun May 18 19:25:02 2008
From: dlavigne6 at sympatico.ca (Dru)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 19:25:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] off topic: thesis questionnaire help
Message-ID: <20080518192140.N658@dru.domain.org>


We have a thesis student who is looking for people who have participated 
in a completed software development project, preferably software managers, 
to complete a short questionaire regarding IP (intellectual property). To 
participate in this study you must have:

- Participated in a software development project that started after
   January 1, 2007 and was completed prior to April 16, 2008

- Participated in the post-mortem meeting of the project

If you're interested, contact me off-list and I'll put you in touch with 
the student.

Cheers,

Dru


From techneck at goldenpath.org  Sun May 18 21:25:07 2008
From: techneck at goldenpath.org (Tim A.)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:25:07 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] making rar play nice with pipes?
Message-ID: <4830D6F3.6050700@goldenpath.org>

I pipe tar | gpg | ssh in some remote backup scripts like this:
tar -cvf - $target \
| gpg -ear "$key_id" -o - \
| ssh -i $key $remote_account "cat > $remote_path/$archive"

Using gzip -9 gives practically no additional compression.
The archives are nearly 2x the size rar gives me, but I can't figure out 
how to make rar play nice with pipes.
rar a -- - $target
creates the file -.rar (!)

To use rar, I have to rar it locally and then gpg | ssh it.

I like rar, but this sucks. Anyone know any hacks to get this to play nice?




From nycbug at cyth.net  Sun May 18 22:00:09 2008
From: nycbug at cyth.net (Ray Lai)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:00:09 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] making rar play nice with pipes?
In-Reply-To: <4830D6F3.6050700@goldenpath.org>
References: <4830D6F3.6050700@goldenpath.org>
Message-ID: <7765c0380805181900o42e1a916n2a35d88d3ade3a68@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Tim A. <techneck at goldenpath.org> wrote:
> I pipe tar | gpg | ssh in some remote backup scripts like this:
> tar -cvf - $target \
> | gpg -ear "$key_id" -o - \
> | ssh -i $key $remote_account "cat > $remote_path/$archive"
>
> Using gzip -9 gives practically no additional compression.
> The archives are nearly 2x the size rar gives me, but I can't figure out
> how to make rar play nice with pipes.
> rar a -- - $target
> creates the file -.rar (!)
>
> To use rar, I have to rar it locally and then gpg | ssh it.
>
> I like rar, but this sucks. Anyone know any hacks to get this to play nice?

I haven't tried this, but perhaps you can use /dev/stdout instead of -?

-Ray-


From andy.kosela at gmail.com  Mon May 19 02:30:13 2008
From: andy.kosela at gmail.com (Andy Kosela)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:30:13 +0200
Subject: [nycbug-talk] making rar play nice with pipes?
In-Reply-To: <4830D6F3.6050700@goldenpath.org>
References: <4830D6F3.6050700@goldenpath.org>
Message-ID: <3cc535c80805182330j6e7c5fb8x1cf9efe395dfff8b@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Tim A. <techneck at goldenpath.org> wrote:
> Using gzip -9 gives practically no additional compression.
> The archives are nearly 2x the size rar gives me

Oh really, thats interesting. What about the speed of compressing? Is
it faster than
gzip on large data sets of files? I usually use gzip instead of bzip2
because of the speed factor,
especially with dump.

-- 
Andy Kosela
Storage Administrator
HP Certified Master ASE, CSE - HP-UX
Lublin City Office, Department of Information Technology (IT)
www.linkedin.com/in/andykosela


From carton at Ivy.NET  Mon May 19 12:21:36 2008
From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:21:36 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] making rar play nice with pipes?
In-Reply-To: <4830D6F3.6050700@goldenpath.org> (Tim A.'s message of "Sun,
	18 May 2008 21:25:07 -0400")
References: <4830D6F3.6050700@goldenpath.org>
Message-ID: <oqzlqmuuwf.fsf@castrovalva.Ivy.NET>

>>>>> "ta" == Tim A <techneck at goldenpath.org> writes:

    ta> Using gzip -9 gives practically no additional compression.

gzip is built into gpg and done implicitly whenever you encrypt
something.

I don't know.  you could try rzip, which I think has nothing to do
with rar, but also has an 'r' in it so maybe this will make you feel
closer to a solution.  Some programs simply can't work with pipes
because the algorithm requires that they do mmap or lseek or
something.  You could do a ktrace or strace on rar or a grep of the
source, and see if rar is using these functions, and if so, give up.
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Tue May 20 09:25:39 2008
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:25:39 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] social event
Message-ID: <4832D153.4060906@ceetonetechnology.com>

Two FreeBSD travelers are in town. . . post-BSDCan.

Massimo (aka 'Max') of Freesbie, VOIP, etc. who many of you know. . . 
and Adrian@ from .au who has done a lot of work on Squid.

Since we have them both around, we thought we'd throw together a small 
get-together on Wednesday PM at Suspenders. . .

Nothing formal. . . just a long table in the restaurant for people to 
socialize and get to know each other.  We do *not* have the backroom.

So, 6:30 pm, Wednesday, May 21, Suspenders, 111 Broadway.

George


From brian.gupta at gmail.com  Tue May 20 23:25:14 2008
From: brian.gupta at gmail.com (Brian Gupta)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:25:14 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] printer recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30804151129k11fde1b0jd05266ea528e725c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c50a3c30804151129k11fde1b0jd05266ea528e725c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b5090780805202025q65dff0abv8625072cea8a064c@mail.gmail.com>

Check out the Brother HL-5240dn. I just did the exercise and came up
with it as a good deal. (We ordered the  HL-5240dnt, which has the
extra 500 sheet tray).

One thing I liked about it was it had one of the lowest per page toner costs.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/12-monochrome-laser-printers,1667-5.html

-Brian

P.S. - You will need to verify the envelope and other stuff... It
wasn't a criteria for me.

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Marc Spitzer <mspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well the list has been quite so what the hell.
>
> I am looking for a printer for home use, here is my hit list:
>
> 1: laser
> 2: monochrome
> 3: network ready
> 4: duplex
> 5: can handle envelops and other odd stock
> 6: cost new under $300
>
> I am looking for something like the lexmark 250dn, but that seems to
> be getting harder to find.  I also want fairly good toner life as I do
> tend to print books on occasion.  SAMSUNG ML series ML-3051ND, from
> newegg also seems to fit the bill.
>
> So what do you think?
>
> marc
>
> --
> Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
> Albert Camus
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
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http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_New_User_FAQ


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed May 21 14:05:17 2008
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:05:17 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] social event
In-Reply-To: <4832D153.4060906@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <4832D153.4060906@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <4834645D.9040803@ceetonetechnology.com>

Reminder. . . it's tonight. . .

George Rosamond wrote:
> Two FreeBSD travelers are in town. . . post-BSDCan.
> 
> Massimo (aka 'Max') of Freesbie, VOIP, etc. who many of you know. . . 
> and Adrian@ from .au who has done a lot of work on Squid.
> 
> Since we have them both around, we thought we'd throw together a small 
> get-together on Wednesday PM at Suspenders. . .
> 
> Nothing formal. . . just a long table in the restaurant for people to 
> socialize and get to know each other.  We do *not* have the backroom.
> 
> So, 6:30 pm, Wednesday, May 21, Suspenders, 111 Broadway.
> 
> George


From andy.kosela at gmail.com  Thu May 22 09:57:46 2008
From: andy.kosela at gmail.com (Andy Kosela)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:57:46 +0200
Subject: [nycbug-talk] interesting debate on linux-kernel
Message-ID: <3cc535c80805220657v18b67a9ah28b1e56fd1a1175d@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know how many of you read linux-kernel mailing list but this
discussion was really interesting and funny sometimes too (even Linus
threw in his .02 cents)

http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=120952825116459&w=4
List:       linux-kernel
Subject:    Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!
From:       David Newall <davidn () davidnewall ! com>
Date:       2008-04-30 4:15:29
Message-ID: 4817EF91.4080800 () davidnewall ! com
[Download message RAW]

David Miller wrote:
> We need to slow down the merging, we need to review things
> more, we need people to test their fucking changes!

Yes.  The Linux process is becoming unreliable.  Newly "stable" versions
have stability problems.  The development process looks childish.
Seasoned developers say not to worry, that the process works.  I do
worry.  BSD seems more attractive, and it may even be worth the
considerable effort to switch my entire client-base.  Linux was lucky to
gain the foothold that it did: traditionally, BSD had a better system
with a less restrictive licence, so it is surprising that manufacturers
chose to go with Linux.  BSD still has a less restrictive licence and
when mainstream press becomes interested in Linux's quality problems
it's adoption will fall.  BSD is still a good, maybe even better, option.

Linus, this is your baby and so it's your problem.  Only you have the
influence to change things.
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From spork at bway.net  Wed May 28 02:19:24 2008
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 02:19:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Nagios or...?
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.64.0805280026000.16360@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

Hi all,

I've still got some old (1.x) Nagios installs that basically work, but 
have become a bit quirky.  I started looking for info on upgrading and it 
seems like the easiest path they've got is to start from scratch on the 
new version.  Since even that is a fair bit of work, I'm wondering what 
else is out there that's comparable.

Quite some time ago I installed Zabbix and it was a good example of what I 
do not want.  It was pretty much web-only config which was an extremely 
inefficient way to enter more than a handful of devices.

Something that would integrate graphing of some monitored items, ability 
to export usage stats on some monitored services to billing, and some 
pre-made/clonable templates for common devices/services would be my 
pie in the sky solution. :)

Thanks,

Charles

___
Charles Sprickman
NetEng/SysAdmin
Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net
spork at bway.net - 212.655.9344



From dave at donnerjack.com  Wed May 28 02:29:29 2008
From: dave at donnerjack.com (David Lawson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 02:29:29 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Nagios or...?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.64.0805280026000.16360@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.64.0805280026000.16360@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
Message-ID: <7C7C9E1F-0958-4C68-87E7-66A767DB276B@donnerjack.com>

On May 28, 2008, at 2:19 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've still got some old (1.x) Nagios installs that basically work, but
> have become a bit quirky.  I started looking for info on upgrading  
> and it
> seems like the easiest path they've got is to start from scratch on  
> the
> new version.  Since even that is a fair bit of work, I'm wondering  
> what
> else is out there that's comparable.

I actually just did a Nagios 1.x to Nagios 2.x upgrade and it's  
nowhere near as bad as you might think.  Took me about an hour, all  
told.  That said, depending on your needs, OpenNMS or ZenOSS may be  
worth a check for you as well, I've considered using both, and have  
worked with/for companies that have used both.

--Dave


From matt at atopia.net  Wed May 28 09:25:41 2008
From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:25:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Nagios or...?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.64.0805280026000.16360@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.64.0805280026000.16360@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
Message-ID: <20080528092517.N64999@mercury.atopia.net>

Nagios 2.x > *.*

But that's my opinion.

On Wed, 28 May 2008, Charles Sprickman wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've still got some old (1.x) Nagios installs that basically work, but
> have become a bit quirky.  I started looking for info on upgrading and it
> seems like the easiest path they've got is to start from scratch on the
> new version.  Since even that is a fair bit of work, I'm wondering what
> else is out there that's comparable.
>
> Quite some time ago I installed Zabbix and it was a good example of what I
> do not want.  It was pretty much web-only config which was an extremely
> inefficient way to enter more than a handful of devices.
>
> Something that would integrate graphing of some monitored items, ability
> to export usage stats on some monitored services to billing, and some
> pre-made/clonable templates for common devices/services would be my
> pie in the sky solution. :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles
>
> ___
> Charles Sprickman
> NetEng/SysAdmin
> Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net
> spork at bway.net - 212.655.9344
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>
> !DSPAM:483cf99f211841869511559!
>


From mspitzer at gmail.com  Wed May 28 11:34:05 2008
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:34:05 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Nagios or...?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.64.0805280026000.16360@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.64.0805280026000.16360@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30805280834v122304d0o66baf318297a6831@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Charles Sprickman <spork at bway.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've still got some old (1.x) Nagios installs that basically work, but
> have become a bit quirky.  I started looking for info on upgrading and it
> seems like the easiest path they've got is to start from scratch on the
> new version.  Since even that is a fair bit of work, I'm wondering what
> else is out there that's comparable.
>
> Quite some time ago I installed Zabbix and it was a good example of what I
> do not want.  It was pretty much web-only config which was an extremely
> inefficient way to enter more than a handful of devices.
>
> Something that would integrate graphing of some monitored items, ability
> to export usage stats on some monitored services to billing, and some
> pre-made/clonable templates for common devices/services would be my
> pie in the sky solution. :)
>

Well nagios 3.0.2 is stable so do not do 2.x,  and here is a quick
answer to db intergration:

http://www.nagios.org/faqs/viewfaq.php?faq_id=38&expand=false&showdesc=false

Although it may be a little quicker then you want.  Although I would
not want direct db connection, I would write a script that dumps files
into a directory and have another that loads things into the db every
so often.

thanks,

marc
-- 
Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
Albert Camus


From bonsaime at gmail.com  Wed May 28 15:44:08 2008
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:44:08 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Nagios or...?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.64.0805280026000.16360@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.64.0805280026000.16360@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
Message-ID: <aa9991030805281244y2634caeav253b79cfc7e1e977@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Charles Sprickman <spork at bway.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've still got some old (1.x) Nagios installs that basically work, but
> have become a bit quirky.  I started looking for info on upgrading and it
> seems like the easiest path they've got is to start from scratch on the
> new version.  Since even that is a fair bit of work, I'm wondering what
> else is out there that's comparable.
>
> Quite some time ago I installed Zabbix and it was a good example of what I
> do not want.  It was pretty much web-only config which was an extremely
> inefficient way to enter more than a handful of devices.
>
> Something that would integrate graphing of some monitored items, ability
> to export usage stats on some monitored services to billing, and some
> pre-made/clonable templates for common devices/services would be my
> pie in the sky solution. :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles
>
> ___
> Charles Sprickman
> NetEng/SysAdmin
> Bway.net - New York's Best Internet - www.bway.net
> spork at bway.net - 212.655.9344
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>

I hate all NMS. The one I least hate at the moment is Pandora FMS. It
doesn't take all day to set up.

-jesse


From kacanski_s at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 16:45:41 2008
From: kacanski_s at yahoo.com (Aleksandar Kacanski)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:45:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Nagios or...?
Message-ID: <273386.43295.qm@web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>



----- Original Message ----
From: Marc Spitzer <mspitzer at gmail.com>
To: Charles Sprickman <spork at bway.net>
Cc: talk at lists.nycbug.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:34:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] Nagios or...?

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Charles Sprickman <spork at bway.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've still got some old (1.x) Nagios installs that basically work, but
> have become a bit quirky.  I started looking for info on upgrading and it
> seems like the easiest path they've got is to start from scratch on the
> new version.  Since even that is a fair bit of work, I'm wondering what
> else is out there that's comparable.
>
> Quite some time ago I installed Zabbix and it was a good example of what I
> do not want.  It was pretty much web-only config which was an extremely
> inefficient way to enter more than a handful of devices.
>
> Something that would integrate graphing of some monitored items, ability
> to export usage stats on some monitored services to billing, and some
> pre-made/clonable templates for common devices/services would be my
> pie in the sky solution. :)
>

Well nagios 3.0.2 is stable so do not do 2.x,  and here is a quick
answer to db intergration:

http://www.nagios.org/faqs/viewfaq.php?faq_id=38&expand=false&showdesc=false

Although it may be a little quicker then you want.  Although I would
not want direct db connection, I would write a script that dumps files
into a directory and have another that loads things into the db every
so often.

thanks,

marc
-- 
Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
Albert Camus
_______________________________________________
talk mailing list
talk at lists.nycbug.org
http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


I am running 3.xx integrated with cacti, snort,  and  django  python as a dash panel.
The coolest thing is that with ajax and python I have  tail  -f  console  in a dash  panel.
 

 --Aleksandar (Sasha) Kacanski


      


From dave at donnerjack.com  Wed May 28 17:19:58 2008
From: dave at donnerjack.com (David Lawson)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:19:58 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Nagios or...?
In-Reply-To: <273386.43295.qm@web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <273386.43295.qm@web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0DB852B2-9453-4F17-A8B8-937DD3FD94D1@donnerjack.com>


>
>
> Well nagios 3.0.2 is stable so do not do 2.x,  and here is a quick
> answer to db intergration:
>
> http://www.nagios.org/faqs/viewfaq.php?faq_id=38&expand=false&showdesc=false
>
> Although it may be a little quicker then you want.  Although I would
> not want direct db connection, I would write a script that dumps files
> into a directory and have another that loads things into the db every
> so often.

I've actually heard some complaints about the stability of 3.x,  
despite its release status, which is why I stayed away from it.   
Personally, I'd be inclined to let it hit at least 3.1 before  
upgrading, but that's just a personal preference kind of thing.  Are  
you using it and happy with it?

--Dave


From mspitzer at gmail.com  Thu May 29 00:48:46 2008
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:48:46 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fwd:  Nagios or...?
In-Reply-To: <8c50a3c30805282148j194e9531i5c4de590a9b2fef2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <273386.43295.qm@web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<0DB852B2-9453-4F17-A8B8-937DD3FD94D1@donnerjack.com>
	<8c50a3c30805282148j194e9531i5c4de590a9b2fef2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8c50a3c30805282148m5ba455f5s8a6d27b207ad5be3@mail.gmail.com>

forgot to cc list


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Marc Spitzer <mspitzer at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nycbug-talk] Nagios or...?
To: David Lawson <dave at donnerjack.com>


On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 5:19 PM, David Lawson <dave at donnerjack.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Well nagios 3.0.2 is stable so do not do 2.x,  and here is a quick
>> answer to db intergration:
>>
>>
>> http://www.nagios.org/faqs/viewfaq.php?faq_id=38&expand=false&showdesc=false
>>
>> Although it may be a little quicker then you want.  Although I would
>> not want direct db connection, I would write a script that dumps files
>> into a directory and have another that loads things into the db every
>> so often.
>
> I've actually heard some complaints about the stability of 3.x, despite its
> release status, which is why I stayed away from it.  Personally, I'd be
> inclined to let it hit at least 3.1 before upgrading, but that's just a
> personal preference kind of thing.  Are you using it and happy with it?
>

I am not currently using it.  And I have also heard of some threading
issues on freebsd, according to one of the freebsd lists the issue was
fixed by switching threading libs, it effected 2.x as well.  And I do
agree with letting one minor release go by if possible.  And there
should not be much pain going from 3 -> 3.1 if needed, 2.x -> 3.1 will
be harder the keywords/macros have changed in the 3 train relative to
the 2 train.  And since you needed to upgrade from 1 to something. why
have to do it twice?

thanks,

marc
--
Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
Albert Camus



-- 
Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
Albert Camus


From josh at rivels.org  Thu May 29 07:17:56 2008
From: josh at rivels.org (Josh Rivel)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:17:56 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Nagios or...?
In-Reply-To: <0DB852B2-9453-4F17-A8B8-937DD3FD94D1@donnerjack.com>
References: <273386.43295.qm@web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<0DB852B2-9453-4F17-A8B8-937DD3FD94D1@donnerjack.com>
Message-ID: <20080529111756.GA27295@rivels.org>

David Lawson wrote...
> I've actually heard some complaints about the stability of 3.x,  
> despite its release status, which is why I stayed away from it.   
> Personally, I'd be inclined to let it hit at least 3.1 before  
> upgrading, but that's just a personal preference kind of thing.  Are  
> you using it and happy with it?

I'm running 3.0.1 monitoring roughly 150 hosts with no stability issues.
The nagios server is running on Solaris. (It's actually in a separate
zone on a X2200 running Solaris 10)

I had checked out zenoss a while back and it looked promising, if not
a bit of an involved initial setup (But I guess that's the same with all
monitoring systems, setting them up initially is a PITA)

--
Josh


From spork at bway.net  Thu May 29 22:13:00 2008
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:13:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Nagios or...?
In-Reply-To: <7C7C9E1F-0958-4C68-87E7-66A767DB276B@donnerjack.com>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.64.0805280026000.16360@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
	<7C7C9E1F-0958-4C68-87E7-66A767DB276B@donnerjack.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.64.0805292207391.350@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>

On Wed, 28 May 2008, David Lawson wrote:

> On May 28, 2008, at 2:19 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've still got some old (1.x) Nagios installs that basically work, but
>> have become a bit quirky.  I started looking for info on upgrading and it
>> seems like the easiest path they've got is to start from scratch on the
>> new version.  Since even that is a fair bit of work, I'm wondering what
>> else is out there that's comparable.
>
> I actually just did a Nagios 1.x to Nagios 2.x upgrade and it's nowhere near 
> as bad as you might think.  Took me about an hour, all told.  That said, 
> depending on your needs, OpenNMS or ZenOSS may be worth a check for you as 
> well, I've considered using both, and have worked with/for companies that 
> have used both.

A big thanks to everyone that replied, I appreciate your input very much.

I'm pretty much leaning towards Nagios 3, but I'm going to give ZenOSS a 
shot as well just to see what it looks like.  When I saw OpenNMS was all 
java that pretty much scared me away.  I've not had any very productive 
encounters with FreeBSD+Java.  My utility box already has to run php and 
mod_perl and adding tomcat to the mix would probably do it in.

WRT Nagios, I'd have to go right to 3, as doing an upgrade and then 
another upgrade in a few months doesn't interest me.  It can't get any 
more weird than what my current install is doing (randomly choosing not to 
alert on services that go down).

For testing out both the newer Nagios and ZenOSS I'm going to throw a jail 
on my utility box and NAT the jail so I don't have to go edit things on 
all the monitored hosts to allow yet another IP access...

Again, thanks to everyone who replied.

Charles

> --Dave


From dave at donnerjack.com  Thu May 29 22:18:46 2008
From: dave at donnerjack.com (David Lawson)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:18:46 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Nagios or...?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.64.0805292207391.350@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
References: <Pine.OSX.4.64.0805280026000.16360@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
	<7C7C9E1F-0958-4C68-87E7-66A767DB276B@donnerjack.com>
	<Pine.OSX.4.64.0805292207391.350@white.nat.fasttrackmonkey.com>
Message-ID: <5AAF1F07-FEE2-4619-A6F2-EFBFC229398B@donnerjack.com>


On May 29, 2008, at 10:13 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote:

> On Wed, 28 May 2008, David Lawson wrote:
>
>> On May 28, 2008, at 2:19 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I've still got some old (1.x) Nagios installs that basically work,  
>>> but
>>> have become a bit quirky.  I started looking for info on upgrading  
>>> and it
>>> seems like the easiest path they've got is to start from scratch  
>>> on the
>>> new version.  Since even that is a fair bit of work, I'm wondering  
>>> what
>>> else is out there that's comparable.
>>
>> I actually just did a Nagios 1.x to Nagios 2.x upgrade and it's  
>> nowhere near as bad as you might think.  Took me about an hour, all  
>> told.  That said, depending on your needs, OpenNMS or ZenOSS may be  
>> worth a check for you as well, I've considered using both, and have  
>> worked with/for companies that have used both.
>
> A big thanks to everyone that replied, I appreciate your input very  
> much.
>
> I'm pretty much leaning towards Nagios 3, but I'm going to give  
> ZenOSS a shot as well just to see what it looks like.  When I saw  
> OpenNMS was all java that pretty much scared me away.  I've not had  
> any very productive encounters with FreeBSD+Java.  My utility box  
> already has to run php and mod_perl and adding tomcat to the mix  
> would probably do it in.


Yeah, FreeBSD + Java is rarely a happy place, and I actually know of a  
big hosting company that just switched from OpenNMS to ZenOSS, so I  
think that's worth a look.  Last time I checked into it was a year or  
so ago and it was very much beta code, but I get the feeling it's  
matured a lot since then.

--Dave