[nycbug-talk] Cogent and Sprint - a signal of things getting Oldschool?

Isaac Levy ike at lesmuug.org
Sat Nov 1 18:06:41 EDT 2008

On Oct 31, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Marc Spitzer wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Isaac Levy <ike at lesmuug.org> wrote:
>> Hi Alex,
>> On Oct 31, 2008, at 3:15 PM, Alex Pilosov wrote:
>>> On Fri, 31 Oct 2008, Isaac Levy wrote:
>>>> I would argue that to continue to compete and grow internationally,
>>>> American businesses desperately need increased bandwidth all  
>>>> around-
>>>> especially at the datacenter.  I argue that carriers need to be
>>>> supported in, as well as held accountable for, planning upgrade
>>>> cycles.
>>> We all held them accountable, with our wallets. It's called 'free
>>> market'.
>> I'm no economist, but didn't the raw free market, and Freedman-style
>> economics, just wholly collapse?
> not even close, check out the Weirmar republic or whatever they are
> calling Rhodisa now for economic collapse.

I said Freedman-style economics- as in Milton Friedman- not market  
capitalism itself!

<snip- toll roads>
>>>> Seriously- I feel this may be a critical moment to be thinking the
>>>> notion of US Government regulation or involvement in internet
>>>> infrastructure.  Fundamental concepts and principles, not just
>>>> technical
>>>> implementation details.
>>> I hope not.
>> Well, at least the Obama campaign seems serious about getting
>> government more involved...
> this is a good thing????  EVER?????

As I stated in a different post, I believe Government regulation is  
not evil.  We may simply disagree on this.

>> So like it or not, (and from my post, I'm terribly uneasy about  
>> either
>> Obama or McCain taking this on), it will be on the table in some way
>> soon enough.
>>>> "If Obama Appoints a Tech Czar . . ." By Garrett M. Graff
>>>> http://www.washingtonian.com/blogarticles/people/capitalcomment/8378.html
>>>> "Names kicking around Silicon Valley and the tech community as CTO
>>>> candidates include Google's Vint Cerf, one of the founders of the
>>>> Internet, Microsoft's Steve Ballmer, Amazon's Jeff Bezos, eBay
>>>> founder
>>>> Pierre Omidyar, and Lotus pioneer Mitch Kapor."
>>> Wankers. Except for Kapor.
>> Perhaps- but I don't even think Kapor is really in a position to  
>> serve
>> as a public servant in this way.
> looking back on the drug Czar, it will raise my taxes and make my life
> more difficult.  Gov likes problems, fixing them could shut down whole
> branches of the fed and/or local gov.  Why would a career bureaucrat
> cut his own throat like that, and why would the people next to him let
> him cut theirs as well?

I don't really know how to respond to this Marc.  I see your points,  
but this becomes a purely political conversation, and on this list,  
I'm only interested in engaging politics with regard to how it affects  
technology, the internet, and ultimately, UNIX- so I'd like to drop  


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