[nycbug-talk] Cogent and Sprint - a signal of things getting Oldschool?

Isaac Levy ike at lesmuug.org
Sat Nov 1 21:57:36 EDT 2008

On Nov 1, 2008, at 9:23 PM, Alex Pilosov wrote:

> On Sat, 1 Nov 2008, Isaac Levy wrote:
>> But this opens the door to another problem I've been talking to ISP's
>> about (as a colo customer),
>> If we have a world where 30mb/s down is becoming the norm for end  
>> users,
>> why is bandwidth at the datacenter still so expensive?!  I'm not
>> comparing a DSL/Cable line to a solid pipe at a datacenter, but I am
>> saying that people's expectations and uses of the internet are
>> changing...
> Yet you are doing just that. The 30mb/s bandwidth to end user is not
> expected to be used 24x7 - it is unlimited (for now) but not  
> dedicated.
> Your colo bandwidth *is* expected to be used 24x7 - in fact, you most
> likely pay based on 95th percentile, which results in paying only  
> for what
> you use.

OK, but what's the going rate for 30mbit transit for 'colo  
customers'?  It surely isn't 10-15$/mbit?

>> Alex, is that the free market excellence you were speaking of? (I'm  
>> not
>> trying to be rude- just playful- I know we all want faster/
>> better/ceaper networks!)
> Yes, just what I said - you don't pay enough for people to care. Free
> market at work. Customers demand better and bigger things, but not
> interested in understanding economic realities,

I am interested in understanding economic realities!

> nor interested in paying
> more - instead I hear "cheaper", "government should mandate this".  
> Guess
> what, someone's gonna have to pay for these upgrades - and it'll be  
> you or
> your children in taxes, if you have it your way.
> -alex

I don't know man.

I think you and I beat this thread nearly to death- and we could go on  
and not get so far.

I will say, even though we don't agree on many points, I've got a lot  
to chew on for a while.


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