From mspitzer at gmail.com  Sat Jul  2 14:57:25 2011
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 14:57:25 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] you will like this, its coffee by G_d
Message-ID: <CA+qr9e6A3M+ZsnmtH_cF=VGv0jhahePRs3nAZhuNuOZ7PvXD2Q@mail.gmail.com>

go watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVE5iPMKLg

trust me

marc

-- 
Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
--Albert Camus

?The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money.
--Margaret Thatcher


From ahpook at verizon.net  Sat Jul  2 15:55:16 2011
From: ahpook at verizon.net (Ah Pook)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 15:55:16 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] you will like this, its coffee by G_d
In-Reply-To: <CA+qr9e6A3M+ZsnmtH_cF=VGv0jhahePRs3nAZhuNuOZ7PvXD2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+qr9e6A3M+ZsnmtH_cF=VGv0jhahePRs3nAZhuNuOZ7PvXD2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201107021555.17060.ahpook@verizon.net>

On Saturday, July 02, 2011, Marc Spitzer wrote:
> go watch:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVE5iPMKLg

My local Costco just brought in Mexican Coke, so all the lovely caffeine 
without that dastardly corn syrup.  It's funny though, nicotine has a 
lot of the same effects, so if you're cramming for a midterm, coffee and 
cigarettes is actually a pretty good mix.


From mspitzer at gmail.com  Sat Jul  2 16:20:21 2011
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 16:20:21 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] you will like this, its coffee by G_d
In-Reply-To: <201107021555.17060.ahpook@verizon.net>
References: <CA+qr9e6A3M+ZsnmtH_cF=VGv0jhahePRs3nAZhuNuOZ7PvXD2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<201107021555.17060.ahpook@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CA+qr9e413oVXk_hYBZ8-c_6GaANys4GbrtskECQzn-LQTa+owQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ah yes nicotine, its my other favorite insecticide.  That is one of
the nice things about living in Spanish Harlem, you can get real Coke
every where.

marc

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Ah Pook <ahpook at verizon.net> wrote:
> On Saturday, July 02, 2011, Marc Spitzer wrote:
>> go watch:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVE5iPMKLg
>
> My local Costco just brought in Mexican Coke, so all the lovely caffeine
> without that dastardly corn syrup. ?It's funny though, nicotine has a
> lot of the same effects, so if you're cramming for a midterm, coffee and
> cigarettes is actually a pretty good mix.
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



-- 
Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
--Albert Camus

?The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money.
--Margaret Thatcher


From spork at bway.net  Tue Jul  5 21:46:17 2011
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 21:46:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] IPSEC from one host to internal net?
Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.00.1107052140440.2407@freemac>

Howdy all,

I'm having a hard time figuring this one out.  I've got network to network 
IPSEC setup, and I've got on-demand VPN stuff setup.  This all works fine.

Now I need to add a (virtual) box over at RootBSD into the mix.  I'm 
looking for something of a hybrid between the network to network IPSEC 
setup and the "dialup-like" PPTP VPN.  In short I want this RooBSD xen 
host to have a single IP address from the internal network at the main 
datacenter.  We don't control the router at the datacenter, but there is a 
host there that acts as our VPN host for the PPTP clients and for the 
office (which requires a static route on each damn host to get the 
office's internal IPs routed to the VPN server).

With the PPTP setup using mpd5, I see that basically when a roaming user 
comes in via PPTP the VPN host starts to proxy-arp for the remote client. 
This is essentially what I want for the RootBSD host, but I want it as a 
nailed-up permanent connection and I want to leverage something other than 
PPTP.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Charles


From nikolai at fetissov.org  Sun Jul 10 23:07:46 2011
From: nikolai at fetissov.org (Nikolai Fetissov)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:07:46 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] July 2011 meeting audio
Message-ID: <a470811f64fed6a3d6d5d381c6d89c3c.squirrel@geekisp.com>

Folks,

Audio of Alexis presentation is online at
http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/nycbug-07-06-11.mp3

Cheers,
--
 Nikolai



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sat Jul 16 12:49:19 2011
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 12:49:19 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Samba & Windows 7
Message-ID: <4E21C10F.7010907@ceetonetechnology.com>

Have a samba box at a client site for a long time.  Painless as 
expected.  The box may be older than some people on this list.

However, there are periodic issues with Windows 7 clients.  Everyone's 
umask is fine and the same, but it seems that Windows 7 is overwriting 
the permissions, even though the Unix permissions seem to be recognized 
by Win7.

Anyone deal with any issues like this?

g


From henry95 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 13:01:11 2011
From: henry95 at gmail.com (Henry M)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:01:11 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Samba & Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <4E21C10F.7010907@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <4E21C10F.7010907@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <CAK1r8CWvvrRphZoQnM6dG44wve4aLyU_HzS1JS=RTjn0kZ5skg@mail.gmail.com>

How are your users authenticating? Local accounts?

Also- What's the samba version? Win7 has some problems with other versions
of samba.


On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:49 PM, George Rosamond <
george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:

> Have a samba box at a client site for a long time.  Painless as expected.
>  The box may be older than some people on this list.
>
> However, there are periodic issues with Windows 7 clients.  Everyone's
> umask is fine and the same, but it seems that Windows 7 is overwriting the
> permissions, even though the Unix permissions seem to be recognized by Win7.
>
> Anyone deal with any issues like this?
>
> g
> ______________________________**_________________
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From pete at nomadlogic.org  Sat Jul 16 13:41:29 2011
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:41:29 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] haven't seen a good flame fest in a while
Message-ID: <143581FA-2343-410D-9BFD-EEC4A29D4220@nomadlogic.org>

http://linuxfr.org/nodes/86687/comments/1249943

i'm sure you all have seen this already - made me giggle.  good times.

aside from the goofy BSD comments this part made me chuckle (as someone who has developed and supported linux based desktops in enterprises for *years* now):

"LinuxFr.org : Why Linux desktop hasn?t been adopted by the mainstream users ? Linus Torvalds seems to think it's mostly a social issue and not a technical one. Do you agree with him ?

Lennart : I think we weren't innovative enough in the interface, and we didn't have a convincing message and clear platform. If you accept MacOS as benchmark for user interfaces, then we weren't really matching it, at best copying it. I think this is changing now, with GNOME 3 which is a big step forward as an interface for Linux and for the first time is something that has been strictly designed under UI design guidelines...Getting a clear message out what Linux is supposed to be is definitely a social issue, but to make that happen the Linux platform needs to be streamlined first, and that's a technical task, and not done yet."

i like how its not about x.org, or KDE, GNOME or whomever anymore...its about making a linux desktop that looks cool.  screw trying to make it usable, intuitive and predictable to admins, devs and end-users - we just gotta make sure that your UI looks really cool shiny, that'll solve everything :p

anyway this guy is a clown with ~%0 real world experience supporting linux desktop systems on a large scale as far as i can tell by his past work and current thinking....

-pete

--
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org






From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sat Jul 16 21:57:41 2011
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:57:41 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Samba & Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <CAK1r8CWvvrRphZoQnM6dG44wve4aLyU_HzS1JS=RTjn0kZ5skg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E21C10F.7010907@ceetonetechnology.com>
	<CAK1r8CWvvrRphZoQnM6dG44wve4aLyU_HzS1JS=RTjn0kZ5skg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E224195.9030609@ceetonetechnology.com>

On 07/16/11 13:01, Henry M wrote:
> How are your users authenticating? Local accounts?

local accounts.  totally samba network for auth.

>
> Also- What's the samba version? Win7 has some problems with other versions
> of samba.

"other" versions?

3.0.37_1,1 on FBSD 6.4 stable

Old EOL'd version. . .

I'm going to bring it up to 3.4 or something. . . I kind of wanted to 
avoid any upgrading.

g


From mspitzer at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 13:16:42 2011
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:16:42 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] how echo is done in various unixes
Message-ID: <CA+qr9e7d14yag=dgdnuhpsgHC7RpymanAhuWKOMm=0JSj96wZQ@mail.gmail.com>

It is worth the read:

https://gist.github.com/1091803

marc
-- 
Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
--Albert Camus

?The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money.
--Margaret Thatcher


From mspitzer at gmail.com  Wed Jul 20 16:47:03 2011
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:47:03 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] 135 TB storage for under 10k
Message-ID: <CA+qr9e4FNQhSFO2LrTRxRSaskFvrEHFpq91WcoJ2priJm5NP8w@mail.gmail.com>

This is cool:

http://blog.backblaze.com/2011/07/20/petabytes-on-a-budget-v2-0revealing-more-secrets/

and they give parts lists to build your own.


marc
-- 
Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
--Albert Camus

?The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money.
--Margaret Thatcher


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Jul 20 19:09:50 2011
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:09:50 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] 135 TB storage for under 10k
In-Reply-To: <CA+qr9e4FNQhSFO2LrTRxRSaskFvrEHFpq91WcoJ2priJm5NP8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+qr9e4FNQhSFO2LrTRxRSaskFvrEHFpq91WcoJ2priJm5NP8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E27603E.7080602@ceetonetechnology.com>

On 07/20/11 16:47, Marc Spitzer wrote:
> This is cool:
>
> http://blog.backblaze.com/2011/07/20/petabytes-on-a-budget-v2-0revealing-more-secrets/
>
> and they give parts lists to build your own.

Amazing.

Going down to 2tb drives/90 , which are dirt cheap, it comes to just 
over $5k.

g




From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Wed Jul 20 19:51:56 2011
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac Levy)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:51:56 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] 135 TB storage for under 10k
In-Reply-To: <4E27603E.7080602@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <CA+qr9e4FNQhSFO2LrTRxRSaskFvrEHFpq91WcoJ2priJm5NP8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E27603E.7080602@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <201107202352.p6KNq21c020564@rs75.luxsci.com>


On Jul 20, 2011, at 7:09 PM, George Rosamond wrote:

> On 07/20/11 16:47, Marc Spitzer wrote:
>> This is cool:
>> 
>> http://blog.backblaze.com/2011/07/20/petabytes-on-a-budget-v2-0revealing-more-secrets/
>> 
>> and they give parts lists to build your own.
> 
> Amazing.
> 
> Going down to 2tb drives/90 , which are dirt cheap, it comes to just over $5k.
> 
> g

Cooler to me, the link to the place where they got the chassis fabricated:

http://protocase.com/

(as I stare at some soekris and alix boards hanging bare on my wall, and let out a bellowing evil laugh...)

Rocket-
.ike




From robin.polak at gmail.com  Thu Jul 21 16:36:53 2011
From: robin.polak at gmail.com (Robin Polak)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:36:53 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] PFSense
Message-ID: <CAJy_fVF5bFVYgdgEyTh4o9xWgWHf7en7WSitrzJ3jKwBFZWZpg@mail.gmail.com>

Fellow NYCBUG members,

    I'm having a problem with getting my PFSense router to allow traffic
from the LAN network to the OPT network.  I've tried upgrading to 2.0 to no
avail.  From what I have read I should only need a rule on the LAN interface
to allow traffic to the OPT1 network if I want the LAN network to be able to
target machines in the OPT network.  This is not working.  I've also tried
putting in a rule to explicitly allow the traffic to the LAN network.  I
also tied configuring a floating rule selecting both the LAN and OPT
interface and allowing traffic from LAN network to OPT network.  Both
networks can see the internet through the WAN interface, and I can ping the
OPT interface on the PFSense box from a host on the LAN network even if I
explicitly try to block that.  Very strange..  Do you have any insight you
can provide me?

-- 
Robin Polak
E-Mail: robin.polak at gmail.com
V. 917-494-2080
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From lists at eitanadler.com  Mon Jul 25 01:35:20 2011
From: lists at eitanadler.com (Eitan Adler)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 05:35:20 +0000
Subject: [nycbug-talk] 135 TB storage for under 10k
In-Reply-To: <4E27603E.7080602@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <CA+qr9e4FNQhSFO2LrTRxRSaskFvrEHFpq91WcoJ2priJm5NP8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E27603E.7080602@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <CAF6rxgmrHV-tGC=CUgfTUpQ+MiF5AXjayL4wDn7sU-HZHXTdzA@mail.gmail.com>

>>
>> This is cool:

Yes,  but...

>> http://blog.backblaze.com/2011/07/20/petabytes-on-a-budget-v2-0revealing-more-secrets/
>>
>> and they give parts lists to build your own.

But not the software. Managing 135TB of storage space (and monitoring
it) is a non-trivial problem.

> Going down to 2tb drives/90 , which are dirt cheap, it comes to just over $5k.


-- 
Eitan Adler


From bonsaime at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 10:12:05 2011
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:12:05 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] 135 TB storage for under 10k
In-Reply-To: <CAF6rxgmrHV-tGC=CUgfTUpQ+MiF5AXjayL4wDn7sU-HZHXTdzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+qr9e4FNQhSFO2LrTRxRSaskFvrEHFpq91WcoJ2priJm5NP8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E27603E.7080602@ceetonetechnology.com>
	<CAF6rxgmrHV-tGC=CUgfTUpQ+MiF5AXjayL4wDn7sU-HZHXTdzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJU5ZBPR+tTMqmLXO9OtHC02yBV1wkuW4RcqCjE14aMAv0mS2A@mail.gmail.com>

No, but they weren't too tight lipped. They mentioned that phys disk health
was measured entirely throuh SMART.
On Jul 25, 2011 1:37 AM, "Eitan Adler" <lists at eitanadler.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is cool:
>
> Yes, but...
>
>>>
http://blog.backblaze.com/2011/07/20/petabytes-on-a-budget-v2-0revealing-more-secrets/
>>>
>>> and they give parts lists to build your own.
>
> But not the software. Managing 135TB of storage space (and monitoring
> it) is a non-trivial problem.
>
>> Going down to 2tb drives/90 , which are dirt cheap, it comes to just over
$5k.
>
>
> --
> Eitan Adler
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
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From mark.saad at ymail.com  Mon Jul 25 14:54:43 2011
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:54:43 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apple Users - What is the compelling reason to
	upgrade to OSX 10.7
Message-ID: <CAMXt9NbsBkB1M0SCXc_Sxx0GRvjmwt1Wji_4wFN85+=Q3mfMew@mail.gmail.com>

Apple Users of Talk
  I was wondering what if any are the compelling reasons to upgrade to
OS X 10.7 . On a side note it appears that in 10.7 there is an absence
of new UNIX features.
In 10.6 there was a lot of talk about Grand Central Dispatch , and all
of the prior versions, to the best of my memory had some new UNIX
feature.


From dave at donnerjack.com  Mon Jul 25 15:13:03 2011
From: dave at donnerjack.com (David Lawson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:13:03 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apple Users - What is the compelling reason to
	upgrade to OSX 10.7
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9NbsBkB1M0SCXc_Sxx0GRvjmwt1Wji_4wFN85+=Q3mfMew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9NbsBkB1M0SCXc_Sxx0GRvjmwt1Wji_4wFN85+=Q3mfMew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E8FE05A-CAB1-4202-B9E4-00EFB78DED54@donnerjack.com>


On Jul 25, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Mark Saad wrote:

> Apple Users of Talk
>  I was wondering what if any are the compelling reasons to upgrade to
> OS X 10.7 . On a side note it appears that in 10.7 there is an absence
> of new UNIX features.
> In 10.6 there was a lot of talk about Grand Central Dispatch , and all
> of the prior versions, to the best of my memory had some new UNIX
> feature.

There's a LVM-ish implementation for volume management, among other things.  I'd highly recommend at least skimming John Siracusa's review on Ars Technica.  He's got a lot of the under the hood information in there.  The whole thing is?extensive, but you can cherry pick the parts you're interested in.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars/1

--Dave



From spork at bway.net  Mon Jul 25 17:04:19 2011
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:04:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apple Users - What is the compelling reason to
 upgrade to OSX 10.7
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9NbsBkB1M0SCXc_Sxx0GRvjmwt1Wji_4wFN85+=Q3mfMew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9NbsBkB1M0SCXc_Sxx0GRvjmwt1Wji_4wFN85+=Q3mfMew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.00.1107251702500.37196@freemac>

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011, Mark Saad wrote:

> Apple Users of Talk
>  I was wondering what if any are the compelling reasons to upgrade to
> OS X 10.7 . On a side note it appears that in 10.7 there is an absence
> of new UNIX features.

There's lots of stuff that I'm sure many will find somewhat disturbing 
(the iOS convergence, blech), but there's also a good deal of stuff under 
the hood.  I hate to point you to such a monster of a review, but it's the 
most complete thing I've read so far:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars

Charles

> In 10.6 there was a lot of talk about Grand Central Dispatch , and all
> of the prior versions, to the best of my memory had some new UNIX
> feature.
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 17:15:01 2011
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:15:01 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apple Users - What is the compelling reason to
 upgrade to OSX 10.7
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9NbsBkB1M0SCXc_Sxx0GRvjmwt1Wji_4wFN85+=Q3mfMew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9NbsBkB1M0SCXc_Sxx0GRvjmwt1Wji_4wFN85+=Q3mfMew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPKKYS2e6ouB2jcVo0goJKbW-r_=FnR6YQvYAoTQCuzz4CyT1A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Mark Saad <mark.saad at ymail.com> wrote:
> Apple Users of Talk
> ?I was wondering what if any are the compelling reasons to upgrade to
> OS X 10.7 . On a side note it appears that in 10.7 there is an absence
> of new UNIX features.
> In 10.6 there was a lot of talk about Grand Central Dispatch , and all
> of the prior versions, to the best of my memory had some new UNIX
> feature.

The more I think about it, and having upgraded one of my Macs, I'm not
really sure what compelling reason there might be to do the others.
Yes, I read the Ars review, and marveled at the breadth and depth of
it, but looking back at the table of contents, it's all pretty "meh".

>From a unix point of view? The only thing I can think of is that your
terminal windows will all reopen in the same place now after a
restart. That may be excellent or very disturbing depending on your
point of view.

Much has been made of the new security features, definitely read up on
those. But they are voluntary -- developers are encouraged, but not
forced, to use them.


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 17:17:05 2011
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:17:05 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apple Users - What is the compelling reason to
 upgrade to OSX 10.7
In-Reply-To: <CAPKKYS2e6ouB2jcVo0goJKbW-r_=FnR6YQvYAoTQCuzz4CyT1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9NbsBkB1M0SCXc_Sxx0GRvjmwt1Wji_4wFN85+=Q3mfMew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPKKYS2e6ouB2jcVo0goJKbW-r_=FnR6YQvYAoTQCuzz4CyT1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPKKYS2LLNuJ8nGc+N9H18XBpa5wHQ9ajLk+CSTOeRbqyHG4kg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Chris Snyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:

> Much has been made of the new security features, definitely read up on
> those. But they are voluntary -- developers are encouraged, but not
> forced, to use them.
>

Oh, I forgot the BIG one, security-wise: the ability to run Lion as a
virtual machine on a Mac. A godsend for the truly paranoid, although
exactly none of the VM hosts will let you do this just yet.


From mark.saad at ymail.com  Mon Jul 25 17:48:14 2011
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:48:14 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apple Users - What is the compelling reason to
 upgrade to OSX 10.7
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9Na9PdqLC0keAT8bjNW1w_B59JdQxK-wiUh_a__bm-3-PA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9NbsBkB1M0SCXc_Sxx0GRvjmwt1Wji_4wFN85+=Q3mfMew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPKKYS2e6ouB2jcVo0goJKbW-r_=FnR6YQvYAoTQCuzz4CyT1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPKKYS2LLNuJ8nGc+N9H18XBpa5wHQ9ajLk+CSTOeRbqyHG4kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMXt9Na9PdqLC0keAT8bjNW1w_B59JdQxK-wiUh_a__bm-3-PA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMXt9NYVPoykq+VnP+S4EvX-6vQB8MgQ71ZP8TN90M1fLbpnXA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Mark Saad <nonesuch at longcount.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Chris Snyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Chris Snyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Much has been made of the new security features, definitely read up on
>>> those. But they are voluntary -- developers are encouraged, but not
>>> forced, to use them.
>
The sandboxing looks interesting .
>>
>> Oh, I forgot the BIG one, security-wise: the ability to run Lion as a
>> virtual machine on a Mac. A godsend for the truly paranoid, although
>> exactly none of the VM hosts will let you do this just yet.
>>
>
Has anyone tried the VM install yet ?
Anyone know if its portable from say VirtualBox on my mac to
VirtualBox on my FreeBSD server ?

 mark saad | nonesuch at longcount.org


From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 19:45:44 2011
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:45:44 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Pat McEvoy wants to chat
Message-ID: <CABPwdMVWQiuM3izmPd9G0uo1N76B9ngsDgsnzmDpODn3JcK7mA@mail.gmail.com>

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From mark.saad at ymail.com  Mon Jul 25 20:45:41 2011
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:45:41 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Systrace Sandboxed OpenSSH , cool ,
	wait what are they using
Message-ID: <CAMXt9Nbq=EKt_sTDO3Os-Wrefmx_EA8OjQFtj4-GWyJhv3pkxw@mail.gmail.com>

Talk
So I was just reading about some new features of OpenSSH over at
undeadly , http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20110721123003
But I cant help thinking about this post
http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20070809201304 where
systrace is bashed up and down.
Am I missing something here ?

--
Mark Saad


From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 23:58:00 2011
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:58:00 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Pat McEvoy wants to apologize / crawl under a rock
Message-ID: <CABPwdMU9OwqHF9bE1Zf8W-w7830LU3sECa3yenwpwgEbZEjqEg@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry about the Google spam. One stray mouse click can really make you look
like goof :-)
P.M.
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From jhb at freebsd.org  Tue Jul 26 09:22:33 2011
From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:22:33 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Systrace Sandboxed OpenSSH , cool ,
	wait what are they using
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9Nbq=EKt_sTDO3Os-Wrefmx_EA8OjQFtj4-GWyJhv3pkxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9Nbq=EKt_sTDO3Os-Wrefmx_EA8OjQFtj4-GWyJhv3pkxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201107260922.34078.jhb@freebsd.org>

On Monday, July 25, 2011 8:45:41 pm Mark Saad wrote:
> Talk
> So I was just reading about some new features of OpenSSH over at
> undeadly , http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20110721123003
> But I cant help thinking about this post
> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20070809201304 where
> systrace is bashed up and down.
> Am I missing something here ?

If they are just providing a whitelist of permitted system calls, then it 
should not be subject to the known issues with systrace(4) as those are 
related to parsing system call arguments.

It also looks from some mailing lists that OpenBSD is looking at porting
Capsicum to OpenBSD which should provide an even richer sandbox environment.

-- 
John Baldwin


From brian.gupta at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 01:14:46 2011
From: brian.gupta at gmail.com (Brian Gupta)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 01:14:46 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Apple Users - What is the compelling reason to
 upgrade to OSX 10.7
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9NbsBkB1M0SCXc_Sxx0GRvjmwt1Wji_4wFN85+=Q3mfMew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9NbsBkB1M0SCXc_Sxx0GRvjmwt1Wji_4wFN85+=Q3mfMew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAGunsQPE4ZmXvubhmM7B_Ms0DAMMPiGaSk7hgVi7=KzJPrs3g@mail.gmail.com>

Two of my Macs have SSDs. I was considering upgrading because Lion was
supposed to introduce TRIM support. However, I am reconsidering due to
the fact that TRIM support was quietly introduced in 10.6.8
http://osxdaily.com/2011/06/27/trim-ssd-support-mac-os-x-10-6-8/

- Brian Gupta

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Mark Saad <mark.saad at ymail.com> wrote:
> Apple Users of Talk
> ?I was wondering what if any are the compelling reasons to upgrade to
> OS X 10.7 . On a side note it appears that in 10.7 there is an absence
> of new UNIX features.
> In 10.6 there was a lot of talk about Grand Central Dispatch , and all
> of the prior versions, to the best of my memory had some new UNIX
> feature.
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>


From mspitzer at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 20:30:58 2011
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:30:58 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] free drinks for sysadmins this friday
Message-ID: <CA+qr9e7ZaeK=thDeCS9yYXDg_dVB6FXptvMGfn-S65OLyRDiLg@mail.gmail.com>

I think the drinks are free, well the tickets are anyway


http://nycsysadminday.eventbrite.com/?utm_source=eb_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=event_reminder&utm_term=event_title


thanks,

marc
-- 
Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
--Albert Camus

?The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people's money.
--Margaret Thatcher


From mark.saad at ymail.com  Thu Jul 28 18:48:37 2011
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:48:37 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Own the NetBSD Phone
Message-ID: <CAMXt9NY832GTqLkh2Z2e6+avjFDKJXofYVfx25iaXcCswab0Xw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Talk
   I saw this on amazon and while I cant use it , I have a Verizon
account, I figured I would pass it along.
For 70 bucks you can own a Sidekick LX 2009 which runs a modified
version of NetBSD .
Here is some info about it . It was a cool sounding product using
NetBSD YAFFS, and the Danger Hiptop
GUI on a ARM CPU .

http://www.amazon.com/Sidekick-LX-2009-Unlocked-Keyboard/dp/B004FK7V0S/
http://www.hiptop3.com/archives/sidekick-lx-2009-blade-will-run-netbsd

--
Mark Saad


From bonsaime at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 15:57:37 2011
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:57:37 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] free drinks for sysadmins this friday
In-Reply-To: <CA+qr9e7ZaeK=thDeCS9yYXDg_dVB6FXptvMGfn-S65OLyRDiLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+qr9e7ZaeK=thDeCS9yYXDg_dVB6FXptvMGfn-S65OLyRDiLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJU5ZBN+YvkaJJQPS9ycVzdDN=DZOkZXhHO_yO-SPmjVvo-4HA@mail.gmail.com>

dammit... sold out

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Marc Spitzer <mspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think the drinks are free, well the tickets are anyway
>
>
>
> http://nycsysadminday.eventbrite.com/?utm_source=eb_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=event_reminder&utm_term=event_title
>
>
> thanks,
>
> marc
> --
> Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
> --Albert Camus
>
>  The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
> of other people's money.
> --Margaret Thatcher
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



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-jesse
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From pete at nomadlogic.org  Sat Jul 30 21:19:26 2011
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Peter Wright)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:19:26 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] spamd and gmail accounts
Message-ID: <9F938743-603D-4184-8271-DA396E6841D9@nomadlogic.org>

hey all,
finally got my act together and setup openbsd's spamd on my personal mail server.  its a low volume box and was wondering if anyone else had experience using spamd and getting mail from gmail users.  do they have a huge block of IP's doing smtp?  i've started to get some test mails in, but i suspect that it will take a while to build a whitelist of gmail smtp hosts.

thanks!
-pete

--
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org






From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sun Jul 31 08:11:48 2011
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 08:11:48 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] spamd and gmail accounts
In-Reply-To: <9F938743-603D-4184-8271-DA396E6841D9@nomadlogic.org>
References: <9F938743-603D-4184-8271-DA396E6841D9@nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <4E354684.20609@ceetonetechnology.com>

On 07/30/11 21:19, Peter Wright wrote:
> hey all, finally got my act together and setup openbsd's spamd on my
> personal mail server.  its a low volume box and was wondering if
> anyone else had experience using spamd and getting mail from gmail
> users.  do they have a huge block of IP's doing smtp?  i've started
> to get some test mails in, but i suspect that it will take a while to
> build a whitelist of gmail smtp hosts.
>

I brought this up a while ago.  Gmail is generally fine, but Yahoo mail 
seems to be the bigger problem.  Not sure if it's some funky way Yahoo 
does SMTP, but that mail seems to always be massively delayed by spamd. 
  It also seemed like an issue with XO.

The only suggestion I remember is whitelisting the entire blocks, which 
means dig'g the mx's.

I don't personally like that option, but it's the only route AFAIK.

On another spamd note, I always thought it would be cool to replicate 
what Bob Beck is doing, and centralize some sort of NYCBUG blacklist and 
whitelist that anyone could synchronize.  It would be a relatively 
simple project to do, but it assumes some level of trust to those 
submitting.

g


From pete at nomadlogic.org  Sun Jul 31 12:33:54 2011
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:33:54 +0000
Subject: [nycbug-talk] spamd and gmail accounts
In-Reply-To: <4E354684.20609@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <9F938743-603D-4184-8271-DA396E6841D9@nomadlogic.org>
	<4E354684.20609@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <20110731163350.GB74724@pv.nomadlogic.org>

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 08:11:48AM -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
> 
> On another spamd note, I always thought it would be cool to replicate 
> what Bob Beck is doing, and centralize some sort of NYCBUG blacklist and 
> whitelist that anyone could synchronize.  It would be a relatively 
> simple project to do, but it assumes some level of trust to those 
> submitting.
> 

oh that sounds interesting - i'd be game to help contribute to that.
since i am on the west coast this may work out pretty good actually, i
reckon i'd pick up some whitelisted hosts that may not be frequently
seen on the east coast and vice versa.

-p


-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org



From bonsaime at gmail.com  Sun Jul 31 13:51:02 2011
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:51:02 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] spamd and gmail accounts
In-Reply-To: <20110731163350.GB74724@pv.nomadlogic.org>
References: <9F938743-603D-4184-8271-DA396E6841D9@nomadlogic.org>
	<4E354684.20609@ceetonetechnology.com>
	<20110731163350.GB74724@pv.nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <CAJU5ZBN_=QbKFm6GRcs2c3ss6uvh_HvxDYD59jnHCEZBC2zP0Q@mail.gmail.com>

also hit up mailop@ mailop.org.  can get a little silly at times but its
always about running a mail server and 95% of the convos are about spam.
On Jul 31, 2011 12:38 PM, "Pete Wright" <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 08:11:48AM -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
>>
>> On another spamd note, I always thought it would be cool to replicate
>> what Bob Beck is doing, and centralize some sort of NYCBUG blacklist and
>> whitelist that anyone could synchronize. It would be a relatively
>> simple project to do, but it assumes some level of trust to those
>> submitting.
>>
>
> oh that sounds interesting - i'd be game to help contribute to that.
> since i am on the west coast this may work out pretty good actually, i
> reckon i'd pick up some whitelisted hosts that may not be frequently
> seen on the east coast and vice versa.
>
> -p
>
>
> --
> Pete Wright
> pete at nomadlogic.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From spork at bway.net  Sun Jul 31 16:20:03 2011
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:20:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] spamd and gmail accounts
In-Reply-To: <9F938743-603D-4184-8271-DA396E6841D9@nomadlogic.org>
References: <9F938743-603D-4184-8271-DA396E6841D9@nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.00.1107311617500.37196@freemac>

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011, Peter Wright wrote:

> hey all, finally got my act together and setup openbsd's spamd on my 
> personal mail server.  its a low volume box and was wondering if anyone 
> else had experience using spamd and getting mail from gmail users.  do 
> they have a huge block of IP's doing smtp?  i've started to get some 
> test mails in, but i suspect that it will take a while to build a 
> whitelist of gmail smtp hosts.

For the life of me I can't find the whitelist site I found last time I 
played around with spamd - it was current and you could fetch a ready to 
use list via cron.

I did however find this page with a simple script that grabs a bunch of 
mxers:

http://aronius.com/openbsd/index.php?id=spamd

It makes some assumptions that may not be that great, but it's something.

Charles

> thanks!
> -pete
>
> --
> Pete Wright
> pete at nomadlogic.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>