From henry95 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 14:12:43 2011 From: henry95 at gmail.com (Henry M) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:12:43 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Unix Admin horror stories Message-ID: The entries are pretty old, but it's still an entertaining read. http://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk/misc/horror.txt Snippet: From: tzs at stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) Organization: University of Washington, Seattle I was working on a line printer spooler, which lived in /etc. I wanted to remove it, and so issued the command "rm /etc/lpspl." There was only one problem. Out of habit, I typed "passwd" after "/etc/" and removed the password file. Oops. I called up the person who handled backups, and he restored the password file. A couple of days later, I did it again! This time, after he restored it, he made a link, /etc/safe_from_tim. About a week later, I overwrote /etc/passwd, rather than removing it. After he restored it again, he installed a daemon that kept a copy of /etc/passwd, on another file system, and automatically restored it if it appeared to have been damaged. Fortunately, I finished my work on /etc/lpspl around this time, so we didn't have to see if I could find a way to wipe out a couple of filesystems... --Tim Smith Regards, Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matt at atopia.net Fri Nov 4 16:00:28 2011 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Issue with install of reviewboard from ports Message-ID: Failing with this: discovery# cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-tkinter discovery# make install ===> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE ===> Extracting for py26-tkinter-2.6.6_3 => No SHA256 checksum recorded for python/Python-2.6.6.tgz. => No suitable checksum found for python/Python-2.6.6.tgz. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-tkinter. Did some googling and couldn't really come up with much. Any ideas? Pretty weird issue... -Matt From pete at nomadlogic.org Fri Nov 4 23:08:17 2011 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 20:08:17 -0700 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Issue with install of reviewboard from ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20111105030815.GE75931@arp.nomadlogic.org> On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 04:00:28PM -0400, Matt Juszczak wrote: > Failing with this: > > discovery# cd /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-tkinter > discovery# make install > ===> License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE > ===> Extracting for py26-tkinter-2.6.6_3 > => No SHA256 checksum recorded for python/Python-2.6.6.tgz. > => No suitable checksum found for python/Python-2.6.6.tgz. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/py-tkinter. > > > Did some googling and couldn't really come up with much. Any ideas? > Pretty weird issue... looks like you are using an old verison on python (2.6.6). is your ports tree up to date? i am on a semi-fresh system and py-tkinter seems to want to build against python-2.7. perhaps there is a bug with older version of py-tkinter? -p -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org From mspitzer at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 12:22:31 2011 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:22:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] hp webpads back on the market, 32GB $150 Message-ID: you need to sign up as a developer and OS developers are free. https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developer_device_program.html thanks, marc -- Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. --Albert Camus ?The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. --Margaret Thatcher Do the arithmetic or be doomed to talk nonsense. --John McCarthy From nikolai at fetissov.org Sun Nov 6 12:24:23 2011 From: nikolai at fetissov.org (Nikolai Fetissov) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:24:23 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] November 2011 meeting audio Message-ID: Folks, Audio of James Lowden presentation is online at: http://www.fetissov.org/public/nycbug/nycbug-11-02-11.mp3 Cheers, -- Nikolai From matt at atopia.net Sun Nov 6 13:53:17 2011 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:53:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Issue with install of reviewboard from ports In-Reply-To: <20111105030815.GE75931@arp.nomadlogic.org> References: <20111105030815.GE75931@arp.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: > looks like you are using an old verison on python (2.6.6). is your > ports tree up to date? i am on a semi-fresh system and py-tkinter seems > to want to build against python-2.7. perhaps there is a bug with older > version of py-tkinter? my ports tree was up to date, but a portupgrade -a fixed it. Looks like the installed python was out of date. Interesting. Thanks! From mark.saad at ymail.com Tue Nov 8 16:24:52 2011 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 16:24:52 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Zrouter - Has anyone tried this yet Message-ID: Talk I was reading the latest FreeBSD Quarterly report and noted something that looked very cool. Zrouter a FreeBSD platform for embedded devices http://zrouter.org/projects/zrouter/wiki . Has anyone tried this thing yet ? --- Mark Saad mark.saad at ymail.com From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 07:37:37 2011 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:37:37 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] JKL NYCBSDCon video is up Message-ID: http://blip.tv/bsdtv/escaping-database-doldrums-nycbsdcond2t3-m4v-5723661 I have a few more videos close to completion. I expect to have a few more out over the winter. The goal is to have most, if not all, of the videos out before the next Con. I have also been working with remote presentations for my amateur radio club via Skype and recording the talks. Attached is a link of a video I made in that manner of amateur radio on the International Space Station. http://blip.tv/hosarc/hosarc-presents-episode-2-ariss-5670166 This technique could be helpful if we have someone on the other side of the country who we would really like to give a talk at NYCBUG. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Nov 10 11:18:04 2011 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:18:04 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Holiday meeting Message-ID: <4EBBF93C.5030907@ceetonetechnology.com> Anyone who has (or wants to) volunteered (volunteer) for the holiday meeting talks, please ping us at admin@ with your meeting titles. Talks will be no more than 20". We are looking forward to a loud, fun but technical meeting. g From bonsaime at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 15:17:07 2011 From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:17:07 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Zrouter - Has anyone tried this yet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cool. So this is like openwrt? On Nov 8, 2011 4:31 PM, "Mark Saad" wrote: > Talk > I was reading the latest FreeBSD Quarterly report and noted something > that looked very cool. > Zrouter a FreeBSD platform for embedded devices > http://zrouter.org/projects/zrouter/wiki . > Has anyone tried this thing yet ? > > --- > Mark Saad > mark.saad at ymail.com > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.saad at ymail.com Mon Nov 14 11:06:47 2011 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:06:47 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD Hypervisor: Call For Testers Message-ID: Hello Talk This is a repost from osnews.org, two cool things are going on here. Michael Dexter has a new site callfortesting.org, interesting stuff. Ivan Voras is looking for testers of BHyVe, a type 2 hypervisor for Freebsd . Via Ivan Voras' blog (yes a few days late....but this place needs more BSD news). Michael Dexter of CFT has published a tutorial on FreeBSD's upcoming type 2 hypervisor known as BHyVe. The article guides the reader through the procedures to configure, build & boot a hypervisor capable host and guest system. BHyVe currently only supports Intel's x86 virtualization hardware & the project itself is still currently under early development. http://callfortesting.org/ http://ivoras.net/blog/tree/2011-11-13.call-for-testing-the-bsd-hypervisor-bhyve.html -- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon Nov 14 18:57:41 2011 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:57:41 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD Hypervisor: Call For Testers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20111114235739.GF75931@arp.nomadlogic.org> On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:06:47AM -0500, Mark Saad wrote: > Hello Talk > > This is a repost from osnews.org, two cool things are going on here. > Michael Dexter has a new site callfortesting.org, interesting stuff. > Ivan Voras is looking for testers of BHyVe, a type 2 hypervisor for Freebsd . > > Via Ivan Voras' blog (yes a few days late....but this place needs more > BSD news). > Michael Dexter of CFT has published a tutorial on FreeBSD's upcoming > type 2 hypervisor known as BHyVe. > The article guides the reader through the procedures to configure, > build & boot a hypervisor capable host and guest system. > BHyVe currently only supports Intel's x86 virtualization hardware & > the project itself is still currently under early development. > > http://callfortesting.org/ > http://ivoras.net/blog/tree/2011-11-13.call-for-testing-the-bsd-hypervisor-bhyve.html > cool, very interesting - thanks mark. -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org From jhb at freebsd.org Mon Nov 14 13:43:06 2011 From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:43:06 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD Hypervisor: Call For Testers In-Reply-To: <20111114235739.GF75931@arp.nomadlogic.org> References: <20111114235739.GF75931@arp.nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <201111141343.06546.jhb@freebsd.org> On Monday, November 14, 2011 6:57:41 pm Pete Wright wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:06:47AM -0500, Mark Saad wrote: > > Hello Talk > > > > This is a repost from osnews.org, two cool things are going on here. > > Michael Dexter has a new site callfortesting.org, interesting stuff. > > Ivan Voras is looking for testers of BHyVe, a type 2 hypervisor for Freebsd . > > > > Via Ivan Voras' blog (yes a few days late....but this place needs more > > BSD news). > > Michael Dexter of CFT has published a tutorial on FreeBSD's upcoming > > type 2 hypervisor known as BHyVe. > > The article guides the reader through the procedures to configure, > > build & boot a hypervisor capable host and guest system. > > BHyVe currently only supports Intel's x86 virtualization hardware & > > the project itself is still currently under early development. > > > > http://callfortesting.org/ > > http://ivoras.net/blog/tree/2011-11-13.call-for-testing-the-bsd-hypervisor-bhyve.html > > > > cool, very interesting - thanks mark. Note that BHyVe requires a guest kernel with the virtio drivers (which are now finally public and BSD licensed in a separate projects branch in FreeBSD's svn). I have not had a chance to work with it since helping to port it to 9-CURRENT in May (NetApp released it for 8 at BSDCan). It does not support AMD CPUs (yet). -- John Baldwin From ike at blackskyresearch.net Tue Nov 15 11:35:16 2011 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac Levy) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:35:16 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Stingray/Zeuss http Load Balancer Message-ID: <201111151636.pAFGa322006731@rs134.luxsci.com> Hi All, Does anyone here have any experience with Stingray (formerly Zeuss) load balancer, software or appliance? I'm evaluating it next to more common solutions, (nginx, pound, varnish, haproxy, etc?). Rocket- .ike From mark.saad at ymail.com Wed Nov 16 10:39:30 2011 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:39:30 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] DragonFlyBSD News Message-ID: Hey Talk Over on OSnews.org they have a good quick read on some new MP Improvements in DragonFlyBSD http://www.osnews.com/story/25334/DragonFly_BSD_MP_Performance_Significantly_Improved On a side note I always wanted to setup some common benchmarks like this to see how 7.X-RELEASE worked vs Version 7.Y-RELEASE of say FreeBSD or 4.X-RELEASE vs 5.X-RELEASE of OpenBSD. I never saw any site that had that sort of info, for historic versions, in a easy to search format. Does anyone know of anything like this ? -- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com From akosela at andykosela.com Wed Nov 16 11:06:44 2011 From: akosela at andykosela.com (Andy Kosela) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:06:44 +0100 Subject: [nycbug-talk] DragonFlyBSD News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Mark Saad wrote: > Hey Talk > ?Over on OSnews.org they have a good quick read on some new MP > Improvements in DragonFlyBSD > > http://www.osnews.com/story/25334/DragonFly_BSD_MP_Performance_Significantly_Improved > > On a side note I always wanted to setup some common benchmarks like > this to see how 7.X-RELEASE worked vs Version 7.Y-RELEASE > of say FreeBSD or 4.X-RELEASE vs 5.X-RELEASE of OpenBSD. I never saw > any site that had that sort of info, for historic versions, in a easy > to search format. Does anyone know of anything like this ? Do you mean something like this? http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ Although this is pretty old... --Andy From mark.saad at ymail.com Wed Nov 16 11:22:25 2011 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:22:25 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] DragonFlyBSD News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Andy Kosela wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Mark Saad wrote: >> Hey Talk >> ?Over on OSnews.org they have a good quick read on some new MP >> Improvements in DragonFlyBSD >> >> http://www.osnews.com/story/25334/DragonFly_BSD_MP_Performance_Significantly_Improved >> >> On a side note I always wanted to setup some common benchmarks like >> this to see how 7.X-RELEASE worked vs Version 7.Y-RELEASE >> of say FreeBSD or 4.X-RELEASE vs 5.X-RELEASE of OpenBSD. I never saw >> any site that had that sort of info, for historic versions, in a easy >> to search format. Does anyone know of anything like this ? > > Do you mean something like this? > > ?http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ > > Although this is pretty old... > > --Andy > exactly that , you are right its old but it could be very useful if updated. -- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com From akosela at andykosela.com Wed Nov 16 11:27:13 2011 From: akosela at andykosela.com (Andy Kosela) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:27:13 +0100 Subject: [nycbug-talk] DragonFlyBSD News In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Mark Saad wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Andy Kosela wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Mark Saad wrote: >>> Hey Talk >>> ?Over on OSnews.org they have a good quick read on some new MP >>> Improvements in DragonFlyBSD >>> >>> http://www.osnews.com/story/25334/DragonFly_BSD_MP_Performance_Significantly_Improved >>> >>> On a side note I always wanted to setup some common benchmarks like >>> this to see how 7.X-RELEASE worked vs Version 7.Y-RELEASE >>> of say FreeBSD or 4.X-RELEASE vs 5.X-RELEASE of OpenBSD. I never saw >>> any site that had that sort of info, for historic versions, in a easy >>> to search format. Does anyone know of anything like this ? >> >> Do you mean something like this? >> >> ?http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ >> >> Although this is pretty old... >> >> --Andy >> > > exactly that , you are right its old but it could be very useful if updated. This is from 2008: http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/dfly.html --Andy From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Nov 18 12:23:23 2011 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:23:23 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] SOPA paper Message-ID: <4EC6948B.4000202@ceetonetechnology.com> This came out a few months ago, but a good primer on the topic: http://www.redbarn.org/files_redbarn/PROTECT-IP-Technical-Whitepaper-Final.pdf It would be almost humorous since bypassing it would be trivial, if it wasn't so disturbing. g From matt at atopia.net Tue Nov 22 18:07:31 2011 From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:07:31 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? Message-ID: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> I know we all work with FreeBSD on a daily basis but usually have a client or two (or more) using CentOS/Rackspace. Specifically, I have a client who was using FreeBSD in their current environment but I'm currently migrating their project to Rackspace Cloud. I was developing the puppet setup on CentOS 5.6 but low and behold, CentOS 6.0 became available today as an available OS. Looks like 5.x is end of life for updates but will still get maintenance fixes. If you were starting a new, cloud-based project today, would you use 6? Matt From ike at blackskyresearch.net Tue Nov 22 19:20:01 2011 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac Levy) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:20:01 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? In-Reply-To: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> References: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: On Nov 22, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Matt Juszczak" wrote: > I know we all work with FreeBSD on a daily basis but usually have a client or two (or more) using CentOS/Rackspace. > > Specifically, I have a client who was using FreeBSD in their current environment but I'm currently migrating their project to Rackspace Cloud. > > I was developing the puppet setup on CentOS 5.6 but low and behold, CentOS 6.0 became available today as an available OS. > > Looks like 5.x is end of life for updates but will still get maintenance fixes. > > If you were starting a new, cloud-based project today, would you use 6? > > Matt I'm pretty conservative, yet I'd go 6 in this VM case- especially with your puppet use- (but I'd read the entire release changes doc with the particular client use/reqs in mind before proceeding!) CentOS 'REL' equivalent has been consistent for me in the past. Perhaps on hardware I'd be more skiddish... My .02cents, tell us how it goes?! Rocket- .ike From thornton.richard at gmail.com Tue Nov 22 19:40:23 2011 From: thornton.richard at gmail.com (Richard Thornton) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:40:23 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD 4.8 sparc64 vs. 5.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Recently I installed 5.0 on an old Sun blade100 and the OS ran fine but adding packages always failed with dependency issues. I reinstalled the 4.8 version and adding packages was easy, but it is two years old. Is it wise to upgrade to 5.0 later after package issues are resolved by the developers? Also have others encountered such issues with OpenBSD? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: big difference between 6 and previous versions is the emergence of using Upstart for daemons On Nov 22, 2011 7:24 PM, "Isaac Levy" wrote: > On Nov 22, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Matt Juszczak" wrote: > > > I know we all work with FreeBSD on a daily basis but usually have a > client or two (or more) using CentOS/Rackspace. > > > > Specifically, I have a client who was using FreeBSD in their current > environment but I'm currently migrating their project to Rackspace Cloud. > > > > I was developing the puppet setup on CentOS 5.6 but low and behold, > CentOS 6.0 became available today as an available OS. > > > > Looks like 5.x is end of life for updates but will still get maintenance > fixes. > > > > If you were starting a new, cloud-based project today, would you use 6? > > > > Matt > > I'm pretty conservative, yet I'd go 6 in this VM case- especially with > your puppet use- (but I'd read the entire release changes doc with the > particular client use/reqs in mind before proceeding!) CentOS 'REL' > equivalent has been consistent for me in the past. > Perhaps on hardware I'd be more skiddish... > > My .02cents, tell us how it goes?! > > Rocket- > .ike > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikel.king at olivent.com Tue Nov 22 20:34:25 2011 From: mikel.king at olivent.com (mikel king) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:34:25 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? In-Reply-To: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> References: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: On Nov 22, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Matt Juszczak wrote: > I know we all work with FreeBSD on a daily basis but usually have a client or two (or more) using CentOS/Rackspace. > > Specifically, I have a client who was using FreeBSD in their current environment but I'm currently migrating their project to Rackspace Cloud. > > I was developing the puppet setup on CentOS 5.6 but low and behold, CentOS 6.0 became available today as an available OS. > > Looks like 5.x is end of life for updates but will still get maintenance fixes. > > If you were starting a new, cloud-based project today, would you use 6? > > Matt I am still running 5.5 in production and will not likely upgrade to 6 in the near future. From scottro at nyc.rr.com Tue Nov 22 19:40:19 2011 From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:40:19 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? In-Reply-To: References: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <20111123004019.GA12771@scott1.scottro.net> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 07:20:01PM -0500, Isaac Levy wrote: > On Nov 22, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Matt Juszczak" wrote: > > > I know we all work with FreeBSD on a daily basis but usually have a client or two (or more) using CentOS/Rackspace. > > Well, these days, I'm more a CentOS and even Ubuntu guy--jobs change, as we all know. I'm fairly up on this. Short answer. CentOS has been falling somewhat behind with updates, but now has a special CR repo that, even though they don't have a 6.1 version, will keep security and other things pretty up to date. There is also ScientificLinux, which is almost as close to RH as CentOS and has paid developers. It might be worth investigating, depending upon situation. As for 5.x vs. 6.x, everything new that we're doing is going with 6.x. Some of the 5.x packages are really ancient by now. I would definitely recommend 6.x, and personally, would go with CentOS, despite their not being as up to date as SL, simply because I think you'll have more vendor support. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Buffy: You know, for someone who teaches human behavior, you might try showing some. Professor Walsh:It's not my job to coddle my students. Buffy: You're right. A human being in pain has nothing to do with your job. (leaves) Professor Walsh: I like her. Riley: Really? You don't think she's a little peculiar? From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue Nov 22 18:56:18 2011 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:56:18 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? In-Reply-To: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> References: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <4ECC36A2.7070201@nomadlogic.org> On 11/22/11 3:07 PM, Matt Juszczak wrote: > I know we all work with FreeBSD on a daily basis but usually have a client or two (or more) using CentOS/Rackspace. > > Specifically, I have a client who was using FreeBSD in their current environment but I'm currently migrating their project to Rackspace Cloud. > > I was developing the puppet setup on CentOS 5.6 but low and behold, CentOS 6.0 became available today as an available OS. > > Looks like 5.x is end of life for updates but will still get maintenance fixes. > > If you were starting a new, cloud-based project today, would you use 6? > > Matt I'd def hold off on 6.x until 6.1 is made available. redhat does have a long tail for supporting releases - so unless you need a specific version of gcc, python or some other package and do not feel like packaging it yourself i'd stick with the 5.x tree. for example - we run 5.x in prod, but i've spun our own versions of python, postgresql and puppet. EPEL (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL) is a good resource for backports of packages as well. hope this helps! - pete (workin' on rhel too much for my own good) wright -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org www.nomadlogic.org From jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com Tue Nov 22 21:19:13 2011 From: jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com (Jerry Altzman) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:19:13 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? In-Reply-To: References: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 20:34, mikel king wrote: > On Nov 22, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Matt Juszczak wrote: > > > If you were starting a new, cloud-based project today, would you use 6? > > I am still running 5.5 in production and will not likely upgrade to 6 in > the near future. > As much pain as I feel with 5.5, I agree with Mikel's sentiment 100% here. //jbaltz -- jerry b. altzman jbaltz at 3phasecomputing.com +1 718 763 7405 x112 http://www.linkedin.com/in/lorvax twitter: @jbaltz3phase -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at donnerjack.com Tue Nov 22 21:28:36 2011 From: dave at donnerjack.com (David Lawson) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:28:36 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? In-Reply-To: <20111123004019.GA12771@scott1.scottro.net> References: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> <20111123004019.GA12771@scott1.scottro.net> Message-ID: <13DC572A-2FD7-4883-B46F-1863B51FD2D4@donnerjack.com> On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Scott Robbins wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 07:20:01PM -0500, Isaac Levy wrote: >> On Nov 22, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Matt Juszczak" wrote: >> >>> I know we all work with FreeBSD on a daily basis but usually have a client or two (or more) using CentOS/Rackspace. >>> > > Well, these days, I'm more a CentOS and even Ubuntu guy--jobs change, as > we all know. > > I'm fairly up on this. > > Short answer. CentOS has been falling somewhat behind with updates, but > now has a special CR repo that, even though they don't have a 6.1 > version, will keep security and other things pretty up to date. > > There is also ScientificLinux, which is almost as close to RH as CentOS > and has paid developers. It might be worth investigating, depending > upon situation. > > As for 5.x vs. 6.x, everything new that we're doing is going with 6.x. > Some of the 5.x packages are really ancient by now. Yeah, I'd go for 6.0, depending on your application. You're really not going to have stability problems because of the way they track upstream, but you may see compatibility issues if your project is going to have a lot of dependencies, it'll take a little while for third parties to start releasing 6.x packages. If you're talking web app and the database you need is packaged and you can live with, worst case, using un-packaged deps for framework dependencies, go with 6.x, it'll save you pain in the long run. The CentOS major version upgrade process is ugly and the officially packaged versions in 5.x are really elderly in most cases. Or you can consider Ubuntu. ;) --Dave From okan at demirmen.com Tue Nov 22 21:33:43 2011 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:33:43 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD 4.8 sparc64 vs. 5.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20111123023343.GA29173@clam.khaoz.org> On Tue 2011.11.22 at 19:40 -0500, Richard Thornton wrote: > Recently I installed 5.0 on an old Sun blade100 and the OS ran fine but > adding packages always failed with dependency issues. I reinstalled the > 4.8 version and adding packages was easy, but it is two years old. Is it > wise to upgrade to 5.0 later after package issues are resolved by the > developers? Also have others encountered such issues with OpenBSD? I gather you are installing binary packages; if so, what's your PKG_PATH? Check to see if that mirror is working and updated; an updated list is at www.openbsd.org/ftp.html. Certainly a 5.0 release with release packages should work. Cheers, Okan From scottro at nyc.rr.com Tue Nov 22 21:46:36 2011 From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:46:36 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? In-Reply-To: <13DC572A-2FD7-4883-B46F-1863B51FD2D4@donnerjack.com> References: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> <20111123004019.GA12771@scott1.scottro.net> <13DC572A-2FD7-4883-B46F-1863B51FD2D4@donnerjack.com> Message-ID: <20111123024636.GA13918@scott1.scottro.net> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 09:28:36PM -0500, David Lawson wrote: > > On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Scott Robbins wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 07:20:01PM -0500, Isaac Levy wrote: > >> On Nov 22, 2011, at 6:07 PM, "Matt Juszczak" wrote: > >> > > > > As for 5.x vs. 6.x, everything new that we're doing is going with 6.x. > > Some of the 5.x packages are really ancient by now. > > Yeah, I'd go for 6.0, depending on your application. You're really not going to have stability problems because of the way they track upstream, but you may see compatibility issues if your project is going to have a lot of dependencies, it'll take a little while for third parties to start releasing 6.x packages. If you're talking web app and the database you need is packaged and you can live with, worst case, using un-packaged deps for framework dependencies, go with 6.x, it'll save you pain in the long run. The CentOS major version upgrade process is ugly and the officially packaged versions in 5.x are really elderly in most cases. Note that RedHat does not (yet) support upgrading. They recommend backup and fresh install. One of the big reasons for this, especially considering how old 5.x is, is that there are often _major_ changes in various libs. One of the downsides, in my opinion, is that in some cases, RH lets Fedora be its testing ground, but Fedora is really aimed more at the desktop user. For example, briefly (very briefly, let's be fair) packagekit, the GUI package manager, didn't require any sort of authorization to upgrade already installed, signed, packages. The curses based installer has been crippled, in favor of more work on the GUI installer. > Or you can consider Ubuntu. ;) Which is not such a bad idea. AFAIK, they offer incident support (I have no idea how good it is or isn't) and Ubuntu server is pretty much Debian. In some ways, it seems to me to be more of a server O/S than RH, which tends to (though this is improving) start up any service installed by default, and has a lot of documentation that assumes you're running a GUI. (On the other hand, while most Ubuntu documentation is aimed towards the desktop, most of it is more or less Debian, so you can use that documentation. Additionally, many vendors are offering support for Ubuntu. Anyway, they're all going to be pretty stable at least Ubuntu 10.0.4 (I think) Long Term Support server, haven't tried the later LTS server. But at any rate, CentOS 6.x is proving to be quite stable for me. (I confess, that's what I'm using to write this--as most of my work these days is RH/CentOS, my desktop-cum-server at home is running CentOS 6.) -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 From dave at donnerjack.com Tue Nov 22 21:59:08 2011 From: dave at donnerjack.com (David Lawson) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:59:08 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? In-Reply-To: <20111123024636.GA13918@scott1.scottro.net> References: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> <20111123004019.GA12771@scott1.scottro.net> <13DC572A-2FD7-4883-B46F-1863B51FD2D4@donnerjack.com> <20111123024636.GA13918@scott1.scottro.net> Message-ID: <6BAEA858-8A57-433F-8363-E5D0FCE592D2@donnerjack.com> >> Or you can consider Ubuntu. ;) > > Which is not such a bad idea. AFAIK, they offer incident support (I > have no idea how good it is or isn't) and Ubuntu server is pretty much > Debian. In some ways, it seems to me to be more of a server O/S than > RH, which tends to (though this is improving) start up any service > installed by default, and has a lot of documentation that assumes you're > running a GUI. (On the other hand, while most Ubuntu documentation is > aimed towards the desktop, most of it is more or less Debian, so you can > use that documentation. That was actually a completely serious suggestion, full disclosure I recently started working for Canonical, but I switched to largely working on Ubuntu systems prior to changing jobs and I've really enjoyed the transition. There are a lot of aspects of Ubuntu that are significantly more modern, in my opinion, and the overall feel of the OS is more coherent. It also feels a little more BSDish to me, but that may just be me. It has some moderate quirks coming from RHEL, but like I said, I think it's more coherent and intuitive. I also may be slightly biased. :) Also, if you're deploying on Rackspace Cloud, I believe that does actually run on top of Ubuntu, so you may have more luck with the Cloud support guys at Rackspace if you're running it as well. > Additionally, many vendors are offering support for Ubuntu. Yes, gratifyingly so, I'd say overall hardware vendor support is comparable to and in some cases better than support for RHEL/CentOS and third party package support is probably about the same. I also prefer the PPA system to the way RHEL manages third party repositories. > Anyway, they're all going to be pretty stable at least Ubuntu 10.0.4 > (I think) Long Term Support server, haven't tried the later LTS server. 10.04 is the current server LTS, but 12.04 is intended to be a five year LTS release. Unlike RHEL, upgrading Ubuntu is both possible and, honestly, pretty painless in my experience, so it's viable to install 11.10 at this point and then upgrade to 12.04 LTS after it comes out and you're comfortable with the stability. --Dave From okan at demirmen.com Tue Nov 22 22:00:04 2011 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:00:04 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? Message-ID: <20111123030004.GB29173@clam.khaoz.org> Am I subscribed to the right list? While I realize as *BSD users, navigating the mess of the gnu/linux world can be challenging to say the least, I can't help but wonder if this is the right place for such `research'. Though it is interesting that this topic has brought lots of people out of the woodwork to state opinions and experience - bored anyone? From mikel.king at olivent.com Tue Nov 22 22:05:31 2011 From: mikel.king at olivent.com (mikel king) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:05:31 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? In-Reply-To: <20111123030004.GB29173@clam.khaoz.org> References: <20111123030004.GB29173@clam.khaoz.org> Message-ID: <47675824-7F07-486E-A1D3-34686DC9D6B4@olivent.com> On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Okan Demirmen wrote: > Am I subscribed to the right list? > > While I realize as *BSD users, navigating the mess of the gnu/linux > world can be challenging to say the least, I can't help but wonder if > this is the right place for such `research'. > > Though it is interesting that this topic has brought lots of people out > of the woodwork to state opinions and experience - bored anyone? Believe you me I wouldn't run it if the client didn't have the requirement written into the contract. I am so not a linux fan. Before anyone says get different clients considering this economy that is not a viable option because mortgages do not pay themselves... From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Nov 22 22:13:30 2011 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 22:13:30 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? In-Reply-To: <20111123030004.GB29173@clam.khaoz.org> References: <20111123030004.GB29173@clam.khaoz.org> Message-ID: <4ECC64DA.8080608@ceetonetechnology.com> On 11/22/11 22:00, Okan Demirmen wrote: > Am I subscribed to the right list? Better yet, are we mailing list managers on the right list, okan? :) > > While I realize as *BSD users, navigating the mess of the gnu/linux > world can be challenging to say the least, I can't help but wonder if > this is the right place for such `research'. > > Though it is interesting that this topic has brought lots of people out > of the woodwork to state opinions and experience - bored anyone? LOL. OT can be okay on occasion, but use your favorite search engine to find a Linux list that is composed of technically savvy members with a decent tone. Good luck! g From mark.saad at ymail.com Tue Nov 22 23:09:33 2011 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:09:33 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? In-Reply-To: <6BAEA858-8A57-433F-8363-E5D0FCE592D2@donnerjack.com> References: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> <20111123004019.GA12771@scott1.scottro.net> <13DC572A-2FD7-4883-B46F-1863B51FD2D4@donnerjack.com> <20111123024636.GA13918@scott1.scottro.net> <6BAEA858-8A57-433F-8363-E5D0FCE592D2@donnerjack.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 9:59 PM, David Lawson wrote: >>> Or you can consider Ubuntu. ;) >> >> Which is not such a bad idea. ?AFAIK, they offer incident support (I >> have no idea how good it is or isn't) and Ubuntu server is pretty much >> Debian. ? In some ways, it seems to me to be more of a server O/S than >> RH, which tends to (though this is improving) start up any service >> installed by default, and has a lot of documentation that assumes you're >> running a GUI. ?(On the other hand, while most Ubuntu documentation is >> aimed towards the desktop, most of it is more or less Debian, so you can >> use that documentation. > > That was actually a completely serious suggestion, full disclosure I recently started working for Canonical, but I switched to largely working on Ubuntu systems prior to changing jobs and I've really enjoyed the transition. ?There are a lot of aspects of Ubuntu that are significantly more modern, in my opinion, and the overall feel of the OS is more coherent. ?It also feels a little more BSDish to me, but that may just be me. ?It has some moderate quirks coming from RHEL, but like I said, I think it's more coherent and intuitive. ?I also may be slightly biased. :) > > Also, if you're deploying on Rackspace Cloud, I believe that does actually run on top of Ubuntu, so you may have more luck with the Cloud support guys at Rackspace if you're running it as well. > >> Additionally, many vendors are offering support for Ubuntu. > > Yes, gratifyingly so, I'd say overall hardware vendor support is comparable to and in some cases better than support for RHEL/CentOS and third party package support is probably about the same. ?I also prefer the PPA system to the way RHEL manages third party repositories. > >> Anyway, they're all going to be pretty stable at least Ubuntu 10.0.4 >> (I think) Long Term Support server, haven't tried the later LTS server. > > 10.04 is the current server LTS, but 12.04 is intended to be a five year LTS release. ?Unlike RHEL, upgrading Ubuntu is both possible and, honestly, pretty painless in my experience, so it's viable to install 11.10 at this point and then upgrade to 12.04 LTS after it comes out and you're comfortable with the stability. > > --Davei Two cents on my translation of ubuntu: Hurry up and give me useless features so i can get more things to break and endlessly replace. -- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com From mark.saad at ymail.com Tue Nov 22 23:55:08 2011 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:55:08 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] rc.conf / rc'ng hacking In-Reply-To: <9FFA0E00-85D6-4864-B0A6-2CD8F7D0948B@bway.net> References: <201110131846.p9DIk5De005062@rs134.luxsci.com> <201110131900.p9DJ08kn002062@rs134.luxsci.com> <9FFA0E00-85D6-4864-B0A6-2CD8F7D0948B@bway.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > > On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Isaac Levy wrote: > >> On Oct 13, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: >> >>>> - The mfsroot bit: >>> >>> Just a quick pointer in case you're not aware of it - mfsbsd might be helpful as it's already got many of the basics in doing a remote install/upgrade handled. ?http://mfsbsd.vx.sk/ ?It's based on "depenguinator". ?I use it in combination with PXE booting, but that's not the only option. >>> >>> Charles >> >> Quick question to clarify: this is still a fairly risky procedure, no? ?Some partition on the machine has to be stable enough to persist the mfsroot for reboot/install, right? > > My use case is totally different, but IIRC you can use this similar to the original depenguinator tool on a running system. ?It is risky - there's no turning back once you dd the image to the drive. > > I just noticed that it now has a section in the handbook: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/remote-install/preparation.html > >> I've never put mfsroot and bare-metal upgrades/installs in the same thought before... so this is both intriguing and scary :) > > I'm really happy with mfsbsd here - it's used for two things. ?It's available as sort of a "livefs" rescue tool that supports ZFS on root and has all the tools needed if you need to boot a box and roll back to a known good snapshot, and it's also our default installer for new or recycled hardware. ?We use PXE to boot it and then use a slightly modified version of mm's zfsinstall script (included in mfsbsd) to do the install. ?It's very easy to add additional packages to the mfsbsd image as well if you need any custom tools. ?We do have remote console (but not kvm) access and that's needed to toggle between network or hdd booting in the bios. ?We keep multiple mfsbsd images around too - both for different FBSD versions and for i386 and amd64. ?Toggling between them simply requires an edit in dhcpd.conf on the dhcp server. > > Oh, it's also handy for pre-upgrade testing - it's a nice non-destructive way to verify that whatever new version of FreeBSD we're toying with at the very least boots and can go multi-user without wiping anything. ?It's currently one of my favorite hammers. > > Charles > >> Rocket- >> .ike >> >> > > Update on this. Ohh and by the way its BSD related. So I worked out the details on this crazy remote install I was talking about . So here are the changes 1. I made a tar ball of the 7.3-RELEASE kernel from the install media. I have the install iso mounted in /mnt/install/74/ cat /mnt/install/73/kernel/generic.?? > /mnt/work/kernel-7.3-RELEASE-amd64.tgz 2. I made a custom mfsroot with a static IP assignment for the remote DC I am working on . I have the following mfsroot attached and mounted in /mnt/mfs , /mnt/work/mfsroot-7.3-RELEASE-amd64-sj2-static.dl360g5 The install.cfg is simple # Turn on extra debugging. debug=YES country=232 nonInteractive=YES noConfirm=YES noWarn=YES tryDHCP=NO netDev=bce0 ipaddr=10.9.8.249 netmask=255.255.255.0 defaultrouter=10.9.8.1 # My host specific data domainname=longcount.org # DHCP does this for us - if yours doesn't, specify hostname hostname=reimage-sj # Which installation device to use nfs=10.9.8.130:/ifs/data/install/fbsd73amd/ mediaSetNFS #mediaSetFTP disk=da0 partition=all bootManager=boot diskPartitionEditor ############################################################# # - All sizes are expressed in 512 byte blocks! # - "Size in MB" = sectors * 512 / 1024 / 1024 # - "Number of blocks" = xsize in mb * 1024 * 1024 / 512 # The non-zero value after the mountpoint means enable soft updates # All sizes are expressed in 512 byte blocks! # #4GB /var, 2GB swap and the rest in / da0s1-1=ufs 8388608 /var 1 da0s1-2=swap 4194304 none da0s1-3=ufs 0 / # Let's do it! diskLabelEditor nstallCommit package=bash-4.0.35 packageAdd package=vim-lite-7.2.344 packageAdd package=rsync-3.0.7 packageAdd package=perl-5.10.1 packageAdd package=python26-2.6.4 packageAdd package=sudo-1.7.2.5 packageAdd package=portaudit-0.5.14 packageAdd package=curl-7.19.7_1 packageAdd package=openldap-client-2.4.21 packageAdd package=portupgrade-2.4.6_3,2 packageAdd package=compat6x-amd64-6.4.604000.200810_3 packageAdd package=pciids-20091229 packageAdd package=unzip-6.0 packageAdd package=syslog-ng-1.6.12_1 packageAdd package=cciss_vol_status-1.06 packageAdd package=dmidecode-2.10 packageAdd package=longcount-custom-2.0 packageAdd shutdown 3. I scp the kernel and mfsroot to the box I want to reinstall, and drop in a new loader.conf and loader.rc loader.conf mfsroot_load="YES" mfsroot_type="mfs_root" mfsroot_name="/boot/mfsroot-7.3-RELEASE-amd64-sj2-static.dl360g5" loader.rc load /boot/GENERIC/kernel load -t mfs_root /boot/mfsroot-7.3-RELEASE-amd64-sj2-static.dl360g5 set vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:/dev/md0c" boot Note i untared my kernel-7.3-RELEASE-amd64.tgz into /boot Ok so lastly when i reboot this box i get the server re-installed in the way i want, no pxe-boot needed. All in all this allows us to remotely re-image older 6.x servers into 7.x servers with out changing any remote network settings and to return the server to a working state after the upgrade. This method worked on 15 servers so far more to come. -- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com From mark.saad at ymail.com Tue Nov 22 23:59:10 2011 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 23:59:10 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Some reading about OpenBSD's cwm Message-ID: All a quick read, on Calmwm or cwm. http://www.osnews.com/story/25359/Introduction_calm_window_manager -- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com From netmantej at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 03:13:33 2011 From: netmantej at gmail.com (Tim) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 03:13:33 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? In-Reply-To: <4ECC64DA.8080608@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <20111123030004.GB29173@clam.khaoz.org> <4ECC64DA.8080608@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <4ECCAB2D.1020009@gmail.com> Hello all. In matters such as this, I hold the opinions of like minded BSD people in high regard. Dare I say, we BSD people have been around long enough to know how systems should work. That is why we prefer and use the BSD's. The pragmatic perspective of BSD minded people is much more helpful than the all too common fan-boy drivel I usually find elsewhere. Thanks everybody. -------------------------- Tim .. netmantej at gmail.com On 11/22/11 10:13 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > On 11/22/11 22:00, Okan Demirmen wrote: >> Am I subscribed to the right list? > > Better yet, are we mailing list managers on the right list, okan? :) > >> >> While I realize as *BSD users, navigating the mess of the gnu/linux >> world can be challenging to say the least, I can't help but wonder if >> this is the right place for such `research'. >> >> Though it is interesting that this topic has brought lots of people out >> of the woodwork to state opinions and experience - bored anyone? > > LOL. OT can be okay on occasion, but use your favorite search engine to > find a Linux list that is composed of technically savvy members with a > decent tone. > > Good luck! > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From ike at blackskyresearch.net Wed Nov 23 09:18:18 2011 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac Levy) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:18:18 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: what version of RHEL/CentOS are you using in prod? In-Reply-To: <13DC572A-2FD7-4883-B46F-1863B51FD2D4@donnerjack.com> References: <996517008-1322003252-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-920628622-@b14.c7.bise6.blackberry> <20111123004019.GA12771@scott1.scottro.net> <13DC572A-2FD7-4883-B46F-1863B51FD2D4@donnerjack.com> Message-ID: <201111231419.pANEJ5sd029670@rs134.luxsci.com> On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:28 PM, David Lawson wrote: > Yeah, I'd go for 6.0, depending on your application. You're really not going to have stability problems because of the way they track upstream, but you may see compatibility issues if your project is going to have a lot of dependencies, it'll take a little while for third parties to start releasing 6.x packages. If you're talking web app and the database you need is packaged and you can live with, worst case, using un-packaged deps for framework dependencies, go with 6.x, it'll save you pain in the long run. The CentOS major version upgrade process is ugly and the officially packaged versions in 5.x are really elderly in most cases. > > Or you can consider Ubuntu. ;) Oh lordie: This just triggered the thought that I may be able to drop new CentOS in, and ditch a ton of Ubuntu in my world? Maybe, just maybe? Downloading to build our app on CentOS 6 now? Rocket- .ike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ike at blackskyresearch.net Wed Nov 23 13:36:27 2011 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac Levy) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:36:27 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] rc.conf / rc'ng hacking In-Reply-To: References: <201110131846.p9DIk5De005062@rs134.luxsci.com> <201110131900.p9DJ08kn002062@rs134.luxsci.com> <9FFA0E00-85D6-4864-B0A6-2CD8F7D0948B@bway.net> Message-ID: <201111231837.pANIb35j028213@rs134.luxsci.com> On Nov 22, 2011, at 11:55 PM, Mark Saad wrote: > So I worked out the details on this crazy remote install I was talking about . ... > This method worked on 15 servers so far more to come. I'm throughly entertained to read through this, and as much as it's all quite straight foreword, I'm impressed with your chutzpah on this one! I'd be interested to hear if/how any of them fail too? knocking' on wood here for you. Rocket- .ike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sun Nov 27 13:53:32 2011 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:53:32 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fwd: [BSDCert] Latest Version of BSDA Study DVD Available In-Reply-To: <1322418080.90692.YahooMailClassic@web181205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1322418080.90692.YahooMailClassic@web181205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4ED2872C.2020704@ceetonetechnology.com> FYI. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [BSDCert] Latest Version of BSDA Study DVD Available Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:21:20 -0800 (PST) Hi everyone, The Winter/Spring 2012 Edition of the BSDA Study DVD is now available for a $40 USD donation at http://www.bsdcertification.org/store. Even if you're not planning on taking the BSDA exam, the DVD provides a handy reference and a way to support BSD certification. 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