From bschonhorst at gmail.com  Mon Apr  1 20:29:42 2013
From: bschonhorst at gmail.com (Brad Schonhorst)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 20:29:42 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] NetBSD Crypto Bug
Message-ID: <CADuhiZfz_8jG-R8HFEsq9VEvtS3UvjXFcQhvh-3WJBkijB5Ztw@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/26/netbsd_crypto_bug/
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Tue Apr  2 11:17:26 2013
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:17:26 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] announces
Message-ID: <515AF686.5090807@ceetonetechnology.com>

If you're not on the announce@ list, you don't know about tomorrow
night's meeting.

Get on that list if you're not already.

lists.nycbug.org

g


From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 19:19:21 2013
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Patrick McEvoy)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:19:21 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OT: WILLIAM GIBSON   Reading @ NYPL April 19th
Message-ID: <515B6779.40107@gmail.com>

I know we have some fans on this, so I hope you will forgive the OT post:


https://www.showclix.com/event/3736607?utm_source=eNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=NYPLNews201304&utm_campaign=NYPLNews

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Blurb from site:
<http://showclix.com/google_map.php?address=42nd+Street+at+5th+Avenue+New+York%2C+NY+10018&KeepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=420&width=420> 

Celeste Bartos Forum, NYPL 42nd Street at 5th Avenue
New York, NY 10018
William Gibson is the author of ten books, including, most recently, the 
New York Times-bestselling trilogy /Zero History, Spook Country/ and 
/Pattern Recognition/. Gibson's 1984 debut novel, /Neuromancer/, was the 
first novel to win the three top science fiction prizes---the Hugo 
Award, the Nebula Award, and the Philip K. Dick Memorial Award. Gibson 
is credited with coining the term "cyberspace" in his short story 
"Burning Chrome," and with popularizing the concept of the Internet 
while it was still largely unknown. He is also a co-author of the novel 
/The Difference Engine/, written with Bruce Sterling.


Become a Friend of the Library to receive 46% off all LIVE from the NYPL 
tickets. Join Now. <http://www.showclix.com/event/209051>

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From matthewstory at gmail.com  Tue Apr  2 23:48:29 2013
From: matthewstory at gmail.com (Matthew Story)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:48:29 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fsq -- file system queue
Message-ID: <CAB+9ogc6DMEiV6mXaiu+Ko=1==VAohEojGyxrj4qM6ZkDhhzcw@mail.gmail.com>

All,

We just open sourced a file-system queue written in python under a BSD
3-clause license.  Tip of the hat here to .ike for packaging this up.  I
was working on this last spring, into the summer, and spent part of the
DOCS hackathon writing man-pages for it.

https://github.com/axialmarket/fsq/archive/version_0.1.3.tar.gz

Thoughts/Patches/Feedback greatly appreciated.

-- 
regards,
matt
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From pete at nomadlogic.org  Wed Apr  3 01:18:49 2013
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 22:18:49 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fsq -- file system queue
In-Reply-To: <CAB+9ogc6DMEiV6mXaiu+Ko=1==VAohEojGyxrj4qM6ZkDhhzcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB+9ogc6DMEiV6mXaiu+Ko=1==VAohEojGyxrj4qM6ZkDhhzcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <515BBBB9.4030707@nomadlogic.org>

On 04/02/2013 08:48 PM, Matthew Story wrote:
> All,
>
> We just open sourced a file-system queue written in python under a BSD 
> 3-clause license.  Tip of the hat here to .ike for packaging this up. 
>  I was working on this last spring, into the summer, and spent part of 
> the DOCS hackathon writing man-pages for it.
>
> https://github.com/axialmarket/fsq/archive/version_0.1.3.tar.gz
>
> Thoughts/Patches/Feedback greatly appreciated.


this is fantastic - can't wait to spend some time checking it out 
tomorrow :)

-p

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
twitter => @nomadlogicLA



From zippy1981 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  3 08:29:24 2013
From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:29:24 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fsq -- file system queue
In-Reply-To: <515BBBB9.4030707@nomadlogic.org>
References: <CAB+9ogc6DMEiV6mXaiu+Ko=1==VAohEojGyxrj4qM6ZkDhhzcw@mail.gmail.com>
 <515BBBB9.4030707@nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <CABsCM1ONGeMFKhCVYEaNW-u+2Gt6NT_YuN4MA4cfOcNofSVt3A@mail.gmail.com>

Ike,

The man page says posix file systems,  but it seems like it would work on
anything that supported sub directories and environment variables from the
readme.

Ill test for windows support today.  If a patch is necessary,  would you
entertain it?
On Apr 3, 2013 1:19 AM, "Pete Wright" <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:

> On 04/02/2013 08:48 PM, Matthew Story wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> We just open sourced a file-system queue written in python under a BSD
>> 3-clause license.  Tip of the hat here to .ike for packaging this up.  I
>> was working on this last spring, into the summer, and spent part of the
>> DOCS hackathon writing man-pages for it.
>>
>> https://github.com/**axialmarket/fsq/archive/**version_0.1.3.tar.gz<https://github.com/axialmarket/fsq/archive/version_0.1.3.tar.gz>
>>
>> Thoughts/Patches/Feedback greatly appreciated.
>>
>
>
> this is fantastic - can't wait to spend some time checking it out tomorrow
> :)
>
> -p
>
> --
> Pete Wright
> pete at nomadlogic.org
> twitter => @nomadlogicLA
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/**mailman/listinfo/talk<http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk>
>
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From matthewstory at gmail.com  Wed Apr  3 09:26:44 2013
From: matthewstory at gmail.com (matthewstory at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 09:26:44 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fsq -- file system queue
In-Reply-To: <CABsCM1ONGeMFKhCVYEaNW-u+2Gt6NT_YuN4MA4cfOcNofSVt3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB+9ogc6DMEiV6mXaiu+Ko=1==VAohEojGyxrj4qM6ZkDhhzcw@mail.gmail.com>
 <515BBBB9.4030707@nomadlogic.org>
 <CABsCM1ONGeMFKhCVYEaNW-u+2Gt6NT_YuN4MA4cfOcNofSVt3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <959DF96D-DE3D-4E7C-B9D7-EC2A8E94CFD0@gmail.com>



On Apr 3, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Justin Dearing <zippy1981 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ike,
> 
> The man page says posix file systems,  but it seems like it would work on anything that supported sub directories and environment variables from the readme.
> 
> Ill test for windows support today.  If a patch is necessary,  would you entertain it?
> 
The only bits that are explicitly posix are the chmod/chown/chgrp portions (which also use pwd and grp), flock, and locale (the cli only, not the lib).

Windows patches would be gladly accepted.


> On Apr 3, 2013 1:19 AM, "Pete Wright" <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:
>> On 04/02/2013 08:48 PM, Matthew Story wrote:
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> We just open sourced a file-system queue written in python under a BSD 3-clause license.  Tip of the hat here to .ike for packaging this up.  I was working on this last spring, into the summer, and spent part of the DOCS hackathon writing man-pages for it.
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/axialmarket/fsq/archive/version_0.1.3.tar.gz
>>> 
>>> Thoughts/Patches/Feedback greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> this is fantastic - can't wait to spend some time checking it out tomorrow :)
>> 
>> -p
>> 
>> -- 
>> Pete Wright
>> pete at nomadlogic.org
>> twitter => @nomadlogicLA
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From matthewstory at gmail.com  Wed Apr  3 10:59:02 2013
From: matthewstory at gmail.com (Matthew Story)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 10:59:02 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] fsq -- file system queue
In-Reply-To: <959DF96D-DE3D-4E7C-B9D7-EC2A8E94CFD0@gmail.com>
References: <CAB+9ogc6DMEiV6mXaiu+Ko=1==VAohEojGyxrj4qM6ZkDhhzcw@mail.gmail.com>
 <515BBBB9.4030707@nomadlogic.org>
 <CABsCM1ONGeMFKhCVYEaNW-u+2Gt6NT_YuN4MA4cfOcNofSVt3A@mail.gmail.com>
 <959DF96D-DE3D-4E7C-B9D7-EC2A8E94CFD0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB+9ogeG8i9g1zU7c7bUGekZz+WM85_Brkj9xjd_a6EhSMeQNQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:26 AM, <matthewstory at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 3, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Justin Dearing <zippy1981 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ike,
>
> The man page says posix file systems,  but it seems like it would work on
> anything that supported sub directories and environment variables from the
> readme.
>
> Ill test for windows support today.  If a patch is necessary,  would you
> entertain it?
>
> The only bits that are explicitly posix are the chmod/chown/chgrp portions
> (which also use pwd and grp), flock, and locale (the cli only, not the lib).
>
> Windows patches would be gladly accepted.
>

As pointed out off-list, the atomic move operations rely on link(2) /
unlink(2).  This choice was made to avoid name conflicts in the queue
directory, and was cribbed from nullmailer.  The atomicity and support of
these system calls may vary on windows systems.


>
>
> On Apr 3, 2013 1:19 AM, "Pete Wright" <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:
>
>> On 04/02/2013 08:48 PM, Matthew Story wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> We just open sourced a file-system queue written in python under a BSD
>>> 3-clause license.  Tip of the hat here to .ike for packaging this up.  I
>>> was working on this last spring, into the summer, and spent part of the
>>> DOCS hackathon writing man-pages for it.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/**axialmarket/fsq/archive/**version_0.1.3.tar.gz<https://github.com/axialmarket/fsq/archive/version_0.1.3.tar.gz>
>>>
>>> Thoughts/Patches/Feedback greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>
>>
>> this is fantastic - can't wait to spend some time checking it out
>> tomorrow :)
>>
>> -p
>>
>> --
>> Pete Wright
>> pete at nomadlogic.org
>> twitter => @nomadlogicLA
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at lists.nycbug.org
>> http://lists.nycbug.org/**mailman/listinfo/talk<http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
>


-- 
regards,
matt
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From bcallah at devio.us  Mon Apr  8 21:23:41 2013
From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2013 21:23:41 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Foundation benefit Auction!
Message-ID: <51636D9D.80108@devio.us>

Hi talk --

For those of you not on the OpenBSD misc@ list, there is an auction 
going on now for an autographed first copy of Michael Lucas's Absolute 
OpenBSD, 2nd edition. 100% of the proceeds will be donated to the 
OpenBSD Foundation.

Details and a link to the auction:
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=136539504315236&w=2

~Brian


From mwlucas at blackhelicopters.org  Mon Apr  8 21:57:45 2013
From: mwlucas at blackhelicopters.org (Michael W. Lucas)
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 21:57:45 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Foundation benefit Auction!
In-Reply-To: <51636D9D.80108@devio.us>
References: <51636D9D.80108@devio.us>
Message-ID: <20130409015744.GA54113@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>

On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 09:23:41PM -0400, Brian Callahan wrote:
> Hi talk --
> 
> For those of you not on the OpenBSD misc@ list, there is an auction 
> going on now for an autographed first copy of Michael Lucas's Absolute 
> OpenBSD, 2nd edition. 100% of the proceeds will be donated to the 
> OpenBSD Foundation.
> 
> Details and a link to the auction:
> http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=136539504315236&w=2

Hi,

I thought about posting the auction here, but I figured you folks are
far too wussy to actually try to win the book.

(There, that ought to stir up a few bids.)

==ml

-- 
Michael W. Lucas  -  mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com, Twitter @mwlauthor 
http://www.MichaelWLucas.com/, http://blather.MichaelWLucas.com/
Latest book: Absolute OpenBSD 2/e - http://www.nostarch.com/openbsd2e
coupon code "ILUVMICHAEL" gets you 30% off & helps me.


From nick at hackermonkey.com  Tue Apr  9 09:31:18 2013
From: nick at hackermonkey.com (Nick Danger)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 09:31:18 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Foundation benefit Auction!
In-Reply-To: <20130409015744.GA54113@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
References: <51636D9D.80108@devio.us>
 <20130409015744.GA54113@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
Message-ID: <51641826.2070705@hackermonkey.com>

On 04/08/2013 09:57 PM, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> Hi, I thought about posting the auction here, but I figured you folks 
> are far too wussy to actually try to win the book. (There, that ought 
> to stir up a few bids.) ==ml 

Its up to >$800, way out of my league :-)


From pete at nomadlogic.org  Tue Apr  9 13:19:39 2013
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 10:19:39 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Foundation benefit Auction!
In-Reply-To: <51641826.2070705@hackermonkey.com>
References: <51636D9D.80108@devio.us>
 <20130409015744.GA54113@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
 <51641826.2070705@hackermonkey.com>
Message-ID: <51644DAB.2080308@nomadlogic.org>

On 04/09/2013 06:31 AM, Nick Danger wrote:
> On 04/08/2013 09:57 PM, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
>> Hi, I thought about posting the auction here, but I figured you folks 
>> are far too wussy to actually try to win the book. (There, that ought 
>> to stir up a few bids.) ==ml 
>
> Its up to >$800, way out of my league :-)
me too - maybe we can pool our resources, not sure who gets the book 
though :)

-pete

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
twitter => @nomadlogicLA



From mwlucas at blackhelicopters.org  Tue Apr  9 13:26:08 2013
From: mwlucas at blackhelicopters.org (Michael W. Lucas)
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 13:26:08 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Foundation benefit Auction!
In-Reply-To: <51644DAB.2080308@nomadlogic.org>
References: <51636D9D.80108@devio.us>
 <20130409015744.GA54113@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
 <51641826.2070705@hackermonkey.com>
 <51644DAB.2080308@nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <20130409172608.GA57062@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>

On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 10:19:39AM -0700, Pete Wright wrote:
> On 04/09/2013 06:31 AM, Nick Danger wrote:
> > On 04/08/2013 09:57 PM, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> >> Hi, I thought about posting the auction here, but I figured you folks 
> >> are far too wussy to actually try to win the book. (There, that ought 
> >> to stir up a few bids.) ==ml 
> >
> > Its up to >$800, way out of my league :-)
> me too - maybe we can pool our resources, not sure who gets the book 
> though :)

Everyone should pool their resources to make a single massively
overwhelming bid.

Settle who gets the book with a drinking contest. Last man who can
walk out the door with the book walks out the door with the book.

==ml

-- 
Michael W. Lucas  -  mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com, Twitter @mwlauthor 
http://www.MichaelWLucas.com/, http://blather.MichaelWLucas.com/
Latest book: Absolute OpenBSD 2/e - http://www.nostarch.com/openbsd2e
coupon code "ILUVMICHAEL" gets you 30% off & helps me.


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Apr 10 14:18:01 2013
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:18:01 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Foundation benefit Auction!
In-Reply-To: <20130409172608.GA57062@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
References: <51636D9D.80108@devio.us>
 <20130409015744.GA54113@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
 <51641826.2070705@hackermonkey.com> <51644DAB.2080308@nomadlogic.org>
 <20130409172608.GA57062@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
Message-ID: <5165ACD9.4030608@ceetonetechnology.com>

Michael W. Lucas:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 10:19:39AM -0700, Pete Wright wrote:
>> On 04/09/2013 06:31 AM, Nick Danger wrote:
>>> On 04/08/2013 09:57 PM, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
>>>> Hi, I thought about posting the auction here, but I figured you folks 
>>>> are far too wussy to actually try to win the book. (There, that ought 
>>>> to stir up a few bids.) ==ml 
>>>
>>> Its up to >$800, way out of my league :-)
>> me too - maybe we can pool our resources, not sure who gets the book 
>> though :)
> 
> Everyone should pool their resources to make a single massively
> overwhelming bid.
> 
> Settle who gets the book with a drinking contest. Last man who can
> walk out the door with the book walks out the door with the book.

Just a note: I think this was a great idea.  Remarkably creative.

NYC*BUG has to get back into the habit of raising money, and basic
collections aren't very inspiring.

g



From matt at atopia.net  Wed Apr 10 14:58:32 2013
From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 18:58:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: T420s or T430s anyone?
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101851340.76795@endeavour.bitlancer.net>

Sorry for the major off topic post, but I'm looking for a used T420s or 
T430s to replace my too-heavy-for-my-back T510.  I am in New York City for 
the next four days and thought it might make sense to ask around.

If you have one for sale or know anyone, please let me know!

Thanks,

Matt


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Apr 10 15:02:26 2013
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:02:26 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: T420s or T430s anyone?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101851340.76795@endeavour.bitlancer.net>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101851340.76795@endeavour.bitlancer.net>
Message-ID: <5165B742.8020401@ceetonetechnology.com>

Matt Juszczak:
> Sorry for the major off topic post, but I'm looking for a used T420s or
> T430s to replace my too-heavy-for-my-back T510.  I am in New York City
> for the next four days and thought it might make sense to ask around.
> 
> If you have one for sale or know anyone, please let me know!
> 

You might want to hit Craig's List.

I'm going toward an X200 series in the near future, and would be curious
about hearing others' experiences... particularly with hibernation, SD
card reader chipset (hope it's not Ricoh), etc.





From matt at atopia.net  Wed Apr 10 15:20:45 2013
From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 19:20:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: T420s or T430s anyone?
In-Reply-To: <5165B742.8020401@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101851340.76795@endeavour.bitlancer.net>
 <5165B742.8020401@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101920380.77199@endeavour.bitlancer.net>

> You might want to hit Craig's List.

Nothing, unfortunately :(


From gnn at neville-neil.com  Wed Apr 10 15:23:09 2013
From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:23:09 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: T420s or T430s anyone?
In-Reply-To: <5165B742.8020401@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101851340.76795@endeavour.bitlancer.net>
 <5165B742.8020401@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <122CCC96-0DD8-4D05-9B89-874A47514959@neville-neil.com>


On Apr 10, 2013, at 15:02 , George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:

> Matt Juszczak:
>> Sorry for the major off topic post, but I'm looking for a used T420s or
>> T430s to replace my too-heavy-for-my-back T510.  I am in New York City
>> for the next four days and thought it might make sense to ask around.
>> 
>> If you have one for sale or know anyone, please let me know!
>> 
> 
> You might want to hit Craig's List.
> 
> I'm going toward an X200 series in the near future, and would be curious
> about hearing others' experiences... particularly with hibernation, SD
> card reader chipset (hope it's not Ricoh), etc.
> 

I love the 220.  Haven't bothered to upgrade to a 230 which is the current X model.
Everything works but hibernation, if you're using the KMS patches.  Without the KMS
stuff you get hibernation but X is ugly.

Best,
George




From matt at atopia.net  Wed Apr 10 15:28:20 2013
From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 19:28:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: T420s or T430s anyone?
In-Reply-To: <122CCC96-0DD8-4D05-9B89-874A47514959@neville-neil.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101851340.76795@endeavour.bitlancer.net>
 <5165B742.8020401@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <122CCC96-0DD8-4D05-9B89-874A47514959@neville-neil.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101927460.77273@endeavour.bitlancer.net>

> I love the 220.  Haven't bothered to upgrade to a 230 which is the current X model.
> Everything works but hibernation, if you're using the KMS patches.  Without the KMS
> stuff you get hibernation but X is ugly.

I was planning on completely replacing my T510 with a T420s and using it 
as my main machine.  But perhaps it would be better to keep the T510 at 
home and travel with sometihng like the X220.  What's your experience?  Is 
the X220 good for a travel laptop?  IE: sometimes having to use it all day 
for a few days straight?


From gnn at neville-neil.com  Wed Apr 10 16:57:35 2013
From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:57:35 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: T420s or T430s anyone?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101927460.77273@endeavour.bitlancer.net>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101851340.76795@endeavour.bitlancer.net>
 <5165B742.8020401@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <122CCC96-0DD8-4D05-9B89-874A47514959@neville-neil.com>
 <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101927460.77273@endeavour.bitlancer.net>
Message-ID: <7AA16CAC-3795-4054-B601-FEC521E30615@neville-neil.com>


On Apr 10, 2013, at 15:28 , Matt Juszczak <matt at atopia.net> wrote:

>> I love the 220.  Haven't bothered to upgrade to a 230 which is the current X model.
>> Everything works but hibernation, if you're using the KMS patches.  Without the KMS
>> stuff you get hibernation but X is ugly.
> 
> I was planning on completely replacing my T510 with a T420s and using it as my main machine.  But perhaps it would be better to keep the T510 at home and travel with sometihng like the X220.  What's your experience?  Is the X220 good for a travel laptop?  IE: sometimes having to use it all day for a few days straight?

Yup, I've taken it as my only laptop to some BSD conferences.

Best,
GEorge




From vmiller at hostileadmin.com  Thu Apr 11 14:47:54 2013
From: vmiller at hostileadmin.com (Rick Miller)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:47:54 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fall BSD Con
Message-ID: <CAHzLAVEdvvESd=1Pz40rRGQ8Qiij6NoyMaGC4TaRJAx+RPNTPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

There is a BSD conference scheduled for Oct 25 - 27 in Northern VA (to be
announced next week).  We've got confirmed speakers including Baptiste
Daroussin, David Chisnall, and Luigi Rizzo, and more, but we have an open
speaker spot if someone on this list is interested.  If you have interest
in presenting, please email me directly.

-- 
Take care
Rick Miller
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From mwlucas at blackhelicopters.org  Thu Apr 11 17:49:32 2013
From: mwlucas at blackhelicopters.org (Michael W. Lucas)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:49:32 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fall BSD Con
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLAVEdvvESd=1Pz40rRGQ8Qiij6NoyMaGC4TaRJAx+RPNTPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLAVEdvvESd=1Pz40rRGQ8Qiij6NoyMaGC4TaRJAx+RPNTPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130411214932.GA66489@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>

Excellent. Web page?

Can't attend, but I'll help shill for it.

==ml

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 02:47:54PM -0400, Rick Miller wrote:
>    Hi All,
>    There is a BSD conference scheduled for Oct 25 - 27 in Northern VA (to be
>    announced next week). *We've got confirmed speakers including Baptiste
>    Daroussin, David Chisnall, and Luigi Rizzo, and more, but we have an open
>    speaker spot if someone on this list is interested. *If you have interest
>    in presenting, please email me directly.
>    --
>    Take care
>    Rick Miller

> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


-- 
Michael W. Lucas  -  mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com, Twitter @mwlauthor 
http://www.MichaelWLucas.com/, http://blather.MichaelWLucas.com/
Latest book: Absolute OpenBSD 2/e - http://www.nostarch.com/openbsd2e
coupon code "ILUVMICHAEL" gets you 30% off & helps me.


From okan at demirmen.com  Fri Apr 12 10:37:17 2013
From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:37:17 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: T420s or T430s anyone?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101927460.77273@endeavour.bitlancer.net>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101851340.76795@endeavour.bitlancer.net>
 <5165B742.8020401@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <122CCC96-0DD8-4D05-9B89-874A47514959@neville-neil.com>
 <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101927460.77273@endeavour.bitlancer.net>
Message-ID: <CACs0eVTRGnnp87qnY=sPBiomoExg47znv6JP+86cm1-=sKNCJg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Matt Juszczak <matt at atopia.net> wrote:
>> I love the 220.  Haven't bothered to upgrade to a 230 which is the current
>> X model.
>> Everything works but hibernation, if you're using the KMS patches.
>> Without the KMS
>> stuff you get hibernation but X is ugly.
>
>
> I was planning on completely replacing my T510 with a T420s and using it as
> my main machine.  But perhaps it would be better to keep the T510 at home
> and travel with sometihng like the X220.  What's your experience?  Is the
> X220 good for a travel laptop?  IE: sometimes having to use it all day for a
> few days straight?

I gather almost any laptop should meet the need of needing to be used
all day, and for many days on-end.  If not, that vendor shouldn't
exist!

That said, the X series are great, though note they did change
keyboards recently.


From matt at atopia.net  Fri Apr 12 16:49:42 2013
From: matt at atopia.net (Matt Juszczak)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 16:49:42
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Off Topic: T420s or T430s anyone?
In-Reply-To: <CACs0eVTRGnnp87qnY=sPBiomoExg47znv6JP+86cm1-=sKNCJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101851340.76795@endeavour.bitlancer.net>
 <5165B742.8020401@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <122CCC96-0DD8-4D05-9B89-874A47514959@neville-neil.com>
 <alpine.BSF.2.00.1304101927460.77273@endeavour.bitlancer.net>
 <CACs0eVTRGnnp87qnY=sPBiomoExg47znv6JP+86cm1-=sKNCJg@mail.gmail.com>
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sat Apr 13 12:27:37 2013
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2013 12:27:37 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fall BSD Con
In-Reply-To: <20130411214932.GA66489@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
References: <CAHzLAVEdvvESd=1Pz40rRGQ8Qiij6NoyMaGC4TaRJAx+RPNTPQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20130411214932.GA66489@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
Message-ID: <51698779.3090601@ceetonetechnology.com>

Michael W. Lucas:
> Excellent. Web page?
> 
> Can't attend, but I'll help shill for it.
> 

disrupting MWL's top-posting below....

> ==ml
> 
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 02:47:54PM -0400, Rick Miller wrote:
>>    Hi All,
>>    There is a BSD conference scheduled for Oct 25 - 27 in Northern VA (to be
>>    announced next week). *We've got confirmed speakers including Baptiste
>>    Daroussin, David Chisnall, and Luigi Rizzo, and more, but we have an open
>>    speaker spot if someone on this list is interested. *If you have interest
>>    in presenting, please email me directly.
>>    --
>>    Take care
>>    Rick Miller
> 

We'd love to know more about the event.

We are still discussing NYCBSDCon for this year, but we will be sure not
to conflict with your dates.

Let us know how things develop.

g



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sun Apr 14 21:07:05 2013
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:07:05 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Foundation benefit Auction!
In-Reply-To: <5165ACD9.4030608@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <51636D9D.80108@devio.us>
 <20130409015744.GA54113@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
 <51641826.2070705@hackermonkey.com> <51644DAB.2080308@nomadlogic.org>
 <20130409172608.GA57062@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
 <5165ACD9.4030608@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <516B52B9.4050201@ceetonetechnology.com>

George Rosamond:
> Michael W. Lucas:
>> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 10:19:39AM -0700, Pete Wright wrote:
>>> On 04/09/2013 06:31 AM, Nick Danger wrote:
>>>> On 04/08/2013 09:57 PM, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
>>>>> Hi, I thought about posting the auction here, but I figured you folks 
>>>>> are far too wussy to actually try to win the book. (There, that ought 
>>>>> to stir up a few bids.) ==ml 
>>>>
>>>> Its up to >$800, way out of my league :-)
>>> me too - maybe we can pool our resources, not sure who gets the book 
>>> though :)
>>
>> Everyone should pool their resources to make a single massively
>> overwhelming bid.
>>
>> Settle who gets the book with a drinking contest. Last man who can
>> walk out the door with the book walks out the door with the book.
> 
> Just a note: I think this was a great idea.  Remarkably creative.
> 
> NYC*BUG has to get back into the habit of raising money, and basic
> collections aren't very inspiring.

Just under 2 hours left, and it's at $1145.

Wow.  Apparently MWL's threats are working.

OpenBSD hackathon is May 29 to June 5 in Toronto... so it's a good time
to raise funds for them.

g



From gjb at FreeBSD.org  Sun Apr 14 21:20:23 2013
From: gjb at FreeBSD.org (Glen Barber)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 21:20:23 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] OpenBSD Foundation benefit Auction!
In-Reply-To: <516B52B9.4050201@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <51636D9D.80108@devio.us>
 <20130409015744.GA54113@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
 <51641826.2070705@hackermonkey.com>
 <51644DAB.2080308@nomadlogic.org>
 <20130409172608.GA57062@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
 <5165ACD9.4030608@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <516B52B9.4050201@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <20130415012023.GA1526@glenbarber.us>

On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 09:07:05PM -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
> Just under 2 hours left, and it's at $1145.
> 
> Wow.  Apparently MWL's threats are working.
> 
> OpenBSD hackathon is May 29 to June 5 in Toronto... so it's a good time
> to raise funds for them.
> 

Let's see what happens after Michael's next FreeBSD book is published.
*hint* :)

Glen

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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sun Apr 14 23:22:42 2013
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 23:22:42 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] tlsdate
Message-ID: <516B7282.2010808@ceetonetechnology.com>

github.com/ioerror/tlsdate

I see Jan S tweeted about it... anyone play with on this list?

g


From freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de  Mon Apr 15 05:52:34 2013
From: freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de (Fabian Keil)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 11:52:34 +0200
Subject: [nycbug-talk] tlsdate
In-Reply-To: <516B7282.2010808@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <516B7282.2010808@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <20130415115233.2fcb2ab0@fabiankeil.de>

George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:

> github.com/ioerror/tlsdate
> 
> I see Jan S tweeted about it... anyone play with on this list?

I'm working on a FreeBSD port. The required patches were
already accepted upstream and git master works out of the
box on my FreeBSD 10-CURRENT system.

The port skeleton is available at:
http://www.fabiankeil.de/sourcecode/freebsd/tlsdate-0.0.6.shar
It's based on git master but isn't synced with HEAD.

It, too, should work on FreeBSD 10-CURRENT, but according to
redports there are some build issues on other releases:
https://redports.org/~fk/20130402152507-54583-112097/tlsdate-0.0.6.log
and I haven't looked into the cause yet (all my private FreeBSD
system run 10-CURRENT).

I haven't decided yet, whether or not I'm going to work on porting
tlsdated as well.

Fabian
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From dan at langille.org  Mon Apr 15 07:50:32 2013
From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille)
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 07:50:32 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Fall BSD Con
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLAVEdvvESd=1Pz40rRGQ8Qiij6NoyMaGC4TaRJAx+RPNTPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLAVEdvvESd=1Pz40rRGQ8Qiij6NoyMaGC4TaRJAx+RPNTPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb5784ac05d967b3b6edd2c47afc72d6@mail.unixathome.org>

On 2013-04-11 14:47, Rick Miller wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> There is a BSD conference scheduled for Oct 25 - 27 in Northern VA 
> (to
> be announced next week). ?Weve got confirmed speakers including
> Baptiste Daroussin, David Chisnall, and Luigi Rizzo, and more, but we
> have an open speaker spot if someone on this list is interested. ?If
> you have interest in presenting, please email me directly.

I can present.

If you have more information in by mid-May, let me know
and I'll mention it during BSDCan.

-- 
Dan Langille - http://langille.org/


From mark.saad at ymail.com  Tue Apr 16 12:34:57 2013
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 12:34:57 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Intel EM/IGB Version question
Message-ID: <CAMXt9Nadd_azse8PAZtfSWHWJxWnbQF+Za=BNkin4Vh87Uo_Sw@mail.gmail.com>

Talk
 I am looking into upgrading the em and igb driver used in FreeBSD
9.1-RELEASE . I want to investigate an issue at work, and I want to
see how igb 2.3.8 works vs the stock one. This lead me to discover a
good question.  Is there any way to tell the version of a driver, from
userland in FreeBSD ?  In particular how can I tell which version of
the em and igb driver I am using ? I can see from the detailed release
notes that 9.1-RELEASE has Igb version 2.3.4 and em version 7.3.2 but
other then that is there a way ?


http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.0R/relnotes-detailed.html
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/relnotes-detailed.html
-- 

Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com


From jhb at freebsd.org  Tue Apr 16 13:34:36 2013
From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 13:34:36 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Intel EM/IGB Version question
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9Nadd_azse8PAZtfSWHWJxWnbQF+Za=BNkin4Vh87Uo_Sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9Nadd_azse8PAZtfSWHWJxWnbQF+Za=BNkin4Vh87Uo_Sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201304161334.36183.jhb@freebsd.org>

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:34:57 pm Mark Saad wrote:
> Talk
>  I am looking into upgrading the em and igb driver used in FreeBSD
> 9.1-RELEASE . I want to investigate an issue at work, and I want to
> see how igb 2.3.8 works vs the stock one. This lead me to discover a
> good question.  Is there any way to tell the version of a driver, from
> userland in FreeBSD ?  In particular how can I tell which version of
> the em and igb driver I am using ? I can see from the detailed release
> notes that 9.1-RELEASE has Igb version 2.3.4 and em version 7.3.2 but
> other then that is there a way ?

They print the version number out in dmesg during boot, e.g.:

igb0: <Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection version - 2.3.10> port 0xe880-0xe89f
 mem 0xfbe60000-0xfbe7ffff,0xfbe40000-0xfbe5ffff,0xfbeb8000-0xfbebbfff irq 32 at
 device 0.0 on pci5

You can also look for the relevant string in the sources:

% grep 'driver_version\[' /sys/dev/e1000/*
/sys/dev/e1000/if_em.c:char em_driver_version[] = "7.3.8";
/sys/dev/e1000/if_igb.c:char igb_driver_version[] = "version - 2.3.10";
/sys/dev/e1000/if_lem.c:char lem_driver_version[] = "1.0.6";

-- 
John Baldwin


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Tue Apr 16 13:58:13 2013
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 13:58:13 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Wikipedia updates
Message-ID: <516D9135.7010606@ceetonetechnology.com>

Anyone have the privileges/login to Wikipedia?  So much updates to
make/inaccuracies to correct when it comes to the BSDs.

Look the ARM hardware... RPi, for instance.

The "Comparison_of_proxifiers"...

It would be nice if we had a dump box for this stuff.. .that someone
could pickup and then rectify on Wikipedia.

The reality is, people do use it as fact.  Sort of like that AllState
commercial with "Everything on the internet is true"...

g
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From mark.saad at ymail.com  Tue Apr 16 14:15:19 2013
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 14:15:19 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Intel EM/IGB Version question
In-Reply-To: <201304161334.36183.jhb@freebsd.org>
References: <CAMXt9Nadd_azse8PAZtfSWHWJxWnbQF+Za=BNkin4Vh87Uo_Sw@mail.gmail.com>
 <201304161334.36183.jhb@freebsd.org>
Message-ID: <CAMXt9NYWy0E7=yGr=uh2KY_XU31ZRaTacB2ooGRVmh-pXp3yMA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM, John Baldwin <jhb at freebsd.org> wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:34:57 pm Mark Saad wrote:
>> Talk
>>  I am looking into upgrading the em and igb driver used in FreeBSD
>> 9.1-RELEASE . I want to investigate an issue at work, and I want to
>> see how igb 2.3.8 works vs the stock one. This lead me to discover a
>> good question.  Is there any way to tell the version of a driver, from
>> userland in FreeBSD ?  In particular how can I tell which version of
>> the em and igb driver I am using ? I can see from the detailed release
>> notes that 9.1-RELEASE has Igb version 2.3.4 and em version 7.3.2 but
>> other then that is there a way ?
>
> They print the version number out in dmesg during boot, e.g.:
>
> igb0: <Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection version - 2.3.10> port 0xe880-0xe89f
>  mem 0xfbe60000-0xfbe7ffff,0xfbe40000-0xfbe5ffff,0xfbeb8000-0xfbebbfff irq 32 at
>  device 0.0 on pci5
>
> You can also look for the relevant string in the sources:
>
> % grep 'driver_version\[' /sys/dev/e1000/*
> /sys/dev/e1000/if_em.c:char em_driver_version[] = "7.3.8";
> /sys/dev/e1000/if_igb.c:char igb_driver_version[] = "version - 2.3.10";
> /sys/dev/e1000/if_lem.c:char lem_driver_version[] = "1.0.6";
>
> --
> John Baldwin

John
  Thanks for the pointer , I missed the obvious place, dmesg . Other
then adding new hardware support is there a detailed change log for
the new version of the driver ? Would it be prudent to upgrade to the
newer driver ? Also Does anyone know if in 9.x can you load a module
and use that module even if this code is statically built into the
kernel ? I believe the answer is no  , not with out hacking the module
code but I am right ?

-- 

Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com


From bob at redivi.com  Tue Apr 16 14:20:13 2013
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:20:13 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Wikipedia updates
In-Reply-To: <516D9135.7010606@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <516D9135.7010606@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <CACwMPm-b9Mj51WCRq1K3dffHP9LPsJGp+amRDuMgRRpPkTSFdg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM, George Rosamond <
george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:

> Anyone have the privileges/login to Wikipedia?  So much updates to
> make/inaccuracies to correct when it comes to the BSDs.
>
> Look the ARM hardware... RPi, for instance.
>
> The "Comparison_of_proxifiers"...
>
> It would be nice if we had a dump box for this stuff.. .that someone
> could pickup and then rectify on Wikipedia.
>
> The reality is, people do use it as fact.  Sort of like that AllState
> commercial with "Everything on the internet is true"...
>

You don't need to do much to edit Wikipedia. You just sign up and then do
it. I did this a last month just to remove a link to an incorrect Haskell
implementation of the Graham Scan algorithm. So far, nobody has undone the
edit even though that's the only thing I've ever modified anywhere on
Wikipedia.

I don't think you'd run into problems even if you did this through a Tor
proxy under different pseudonyms for each edit ;)

-bob
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From ahpook at verizon.net  Tue Apr 16 15:05:42 2013
From: ahpook at verizon.net (Ah Pook)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 15:05:42 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Wikipedia updates
In-Reply-To: <CACwMPm-b9Mj51WCRq1K3dffHP9LPsJGp+amRDuMgRRpPkTSFdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <516D9135.7010606@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CACwMPm-b9Mj51WCRq1K3dffHP9LPsJGp+amRDuMgRRpPkTSFdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <516DA106.70104@verizon.net>

On 04/16/2013 02:20 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:58 AM, George Rosamond
> <george at ceetonetechnology.com <mailto:george at ceetonetechnology.com>> wrote:
>
>     Anyone have the privileges/login to Wikipedia?  So much updates to
>     make/inaccuracies to correct when it comes to the BSDs.
>
>     Look the ARM hardware... RPi, for instance.
>
>     The "Comparison_of_proxifiers"...
>
>     It would be nice if we had a dump box for this stuff.. .that someone
>     could pickup and then rectify on Wikipedia.
>
>     The reality is, people do use it as fact.  Sort of like that AllState
>     commercial with "Everything on the internet is true"...
>
>
> You don't need to do much to edit Wikipedia. You just sign up and then
> do it. I did this a last month just to remove a link to an incorrect
> Haskell implementation of the Graham Scan algorithm. So far, nobody has
> undone the edit even though that's the only thing I've ever modified
> anywhere on Wikipedia.
>
> I don't think you'd run into problems even if you did this through a Tor
> proxy under different pseudonyms for each edit ;)

You don't even need to sign up, generally.  That's the whole point - 
anybody can edit.  There are pages that get... argumentative, so 
sometimes you're required to have an account, but it's pretty rare.

Tor's hit and miss - there's so much vandalism through tor nodes that it 
might take you a while to find one.



From vmiller at hostileadmin.com  Wed Apr 17 09:33:28 2013
From: vmiller at hostileadmin.com (Rick Miller)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:33:28 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] vBSDCon Announcement
Message-ID: <CAHzLAVFBjtJUbNX2=FosTsATJLgbUU-fgi+nAA=tiTvDkpJGTw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Verisign has announced vBSDCon to occur Oct 25 - 27, 2013 at the Dulles
Hyatt in Dulles, VA.  More information can be found at the URL below:

http://blog.hostileadmin.com/2013/04/17/vbsdcon-oct-25-27-2013/

-- 
Take care
Rick Miller
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From pete at nomadlogic.org  Wed Apr 17 13:45:30 2013
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:45:30 -0700
Subject: [nycbug-talk] vBSDCon Announcement
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLAVFBjtJUbNX2=FosTsATJLgbUU-fgi+nAA=tiTvDkpJGTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLAVFBjtJUbNX2=FosTsATJLgbUU-fgi+nAA=tiTvDkpJGTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <516EDFBA.2030903@nomadlogic.org>

On 04/17/13 06:33, Rick Miller wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Verisign has announced vBSDCon to occur Oct 25 - 27, 2013 at the 
> Dulles Hyatt in Dulles, VA.  More information can be found at the URL 
> below:
>
> http://blog.hostileadmin.com/2013/04/17/vbsdcon-oct-25-27-2013/
>
yea i saw this on freebsd-chat@ this morning (i think it was that 
list).  glad to see more companies visibly backing the project the 
project like this - now if i can only figure out a reason to our IAD 
datacenter in october :)

-pete

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
twitter => @nomadlogicLA



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Apr 17 13:49:03 2013
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:49:03 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] vBSDCon Announcement
In-Reply-To: <516EDFBA.2030903@nomadlogic.org>
References: <CAHzLAVFBjtJUbNX2=FosTsATJLgbUU-fgi+nAA=tiTvDkpJGTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <516EDFBA.2030903@nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <516EE08F.8090108@ceetonetechnology.com>

Pete Wright:
> On 04/17/13 06:33, Rick Miller wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Verisign has announced vBSDCon to occur Oct 25 - 27, 2013 at the
>> Dulles Hyatt in Dulles, VA.  More information can be found at the URL
>> below:
>>
>> http://blog.hostileadmin.com/2013/04/17/vbsdcon-oct-25-27-2013/
>>
> yea i saw this on freebsd-chat@ this morning (i think it was that
> list).  glad to see more companies visibly backing the project the
> project like this - now if i can only figure out a reason to our IAD
> datacenter in october :)

Well, that's what is a bit confusing about this...

Who is organizing the conference?  I don't see Verisign announcing it
anywhere.

We are more than willing to help out to the extent we can (we, as in
NYC*BUG), but we don't know *what* it is exactly.

Please enlighten us Rick...

g

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From vmiller at hostileadmin.com  Wed Apr 17 15:57:31 2013
From: vmiller at hostileadmin.com (Rick Miller)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:57:31 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] vBSDCon Announcement
In-Reply-To: <516EE08F.8090108@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <CAHzLAVFBjtJUbNX2=FosTsATJLgbUU-fgi+nAA=tiTvDkpJGTw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHzLAVHfh-zYr4MOQB3H_nn18VLN+3__f0w9wpwRyb3RQv+M2w@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:49 PM, George Rosamond

>
> Who is organizing the conference?  I don't see Verisign announcing it
> anywhere.
>
> We are more than willing to help out to the extent we can (we, as in
> NYC*BUG), but we don't know *what* it is exactly.
>

Verisign is organizing and hosting a user and developer BSD-related
conference in Dulles, VA October 25 - 27, 2013.  The announcement you saw
is a preliminary "save the date" announcement.  Additional details will
follow when we have the web site put up.

-- 
Take care
Rick Miller
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From jhb at freebsd.org  Wed Apr 17 15:54:26 2013
From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:54:26 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Intel EM/IGB Version question
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9NYWy0E7=yGr=uh2KY_XU31ZRaTacB2ooGRVmh-pXp3yMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9Nadd_azse8PAZtfSWHWJxWnbQF+Za=BNkin4Vh87Uo_Sw@mail.gmail.com>
 <201304161334.36183.jhb@freebsd.org>
 <CAMXt9NYWy0E7=yGr=uh2KY_XU31ZRaTacB2ooGRVmh-pXp3yMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201304171554.27082.jhb@freebsd.org>

On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 2:15:19 pm Mark Saad wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 1:34 PM, John Baldwin <jhb at freebsd.org> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:34:57 pm Mark Saad wrote:
> >> Talk
> >>  I am looking into upgrading the em and igb driver used in FreeBSD
> >> 9.1-RELEASE . I want to investigate an issue at work, and I want to
> >> see how igb 2.3.8 works vs the stock one. This lead me to discover a
> >> good question.  Is there any way to tell the version of a driver, from
> >> userland in FreeBSD ?  In particular how can I tell which version of
> >> the em and igb driver I am using ? I can see from the detailed release
> >> notes that 9.1-RELEASE has Igb version 2.3.4 and em version 7.3.2 but
> >> other then that is there a way ?
> >
> > They print the version number out in dmesg during boot, e.g.:
> >
> > igb0: <Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection version - 2.3.10> port 0xe880-0xe89f
> >  mem 0xfbe60000-0xfbe7ffff,0xfbe40000-0xfbe5ffff,0xfbeb8000-0xfbebbfff irq 32 at
> >  device 0.0 on pci5
> >
> > You can also look for the relevant string in the sources:
> >
> > % grep 'driver_version\[' /sys/dev/e1000/*
> > /sys/dev/e1000/if_em.c:char em_driver_version[] = "7.3.8";
> > /sys/dev/e1000/if_igb.c:char igb_driver_version[] = "version - 2.3.10";
> > /sys/dev/e1000/if_lem.c:char lem_driver_version[] = "1.0.6";
> >
> > --
> > John Baldwin
> 
> John
>   Thanks for the pointer , I missed the obvious place, dmesg . Other
> then adding new hardware support is there a detailed change log for
> the new version of the driver ? Would it be prudent to upgrade to the
> newer driver ? Also Does anyone know if in 9.x can you load a module
> and use that module even if this code is statically built into the
> kernel ? I believe the answer is no  , not with out hacking the module
> code but I am right ?

Well, there isn't usually a good changelog and em/igb updates sometimes
have regressions (though I think those have gotten better as of late).

To get a module to override the built-in driver you would have to hack
the module to use a better priority in its probe routine.

-- 
John Baldwin


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Apr 17 16:08:29 2013
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:08:29 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] vBSDCon Announcement
In-Reply-To: <CAHzLAVHfh-zYr4MOQB3H_nn18VLN+3__f0w9wpwRyb3RQv+M2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHzLAVFBjtJUbNX2=FosTsATJLgbUU-fgi+nAA=tiTvDkpJGTw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAHzLAVHfh-zYr4MOQB3H_nn18VLN+3__f0w9wpwRyb3RQv+M2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <516F013D.50301@ceetonetechnology.com>

Rick Miller:
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 1:49 PM, George Rosamond
> 
>>
>> Who is organizing the conference?  I don't see Verisign announcing it
>> anywhere.
>>
>> We are more than willing to help out to the extent we can (we, as in
>> NYC*BUG), but we don't know *what* it is exactly.
>>
> 
> Verisign is organizing and hosting a user and developer BSD-related
> conference in Dulles, VA October 25 - 27, 2013.  The announcement you saw
> is a preliminary "save the date" announcement.  Additional details will
> follow when we have the web site put up.
> 

Ahh... got it.

There were a lot of off-line discussions in regards to the 'v'..

Virginia?  Virtuous?  Verisign?

Good stuff, and keep us in the loop.

g
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From mwlucas at blackhelicopters.org  Wed Apr 17 16:24:43 2013
From: mwlucas at blackhelicopters.org (Michael W. Lucas)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:24:43 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] vBSDCon Announcement
In-Reply-To: <516F013D.50301@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <CAHzLAVFBjtJUbNX2=FosTsATJLgbUU-fgi+nAA=tiTvDkpJGTw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20130417202443.GA95113@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 04:08:29PM -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
> > Verisign is organizing and hosting a user and developer BSD-related
> > conference in Dulles, VA October 25 - 27, 2013.  The announcement you saw
> > is a preliminary "save the date" announcement.  Additional details will
> > follow when we have the web site put up.
> > 
> 
> Ahh... got it.
> 
> There were a lot of off-line discussions in regards to the 'v'..
> 
> Virginia?  Virtuous?  Verisign?
> 
> Good stuff, and keep us in the loop.

Why be specific on the "v," when ambiguity is so useful here? :-)

I'm glad to hear this, do keep us up on details.

==ml

(PS: my first thought was "venereal," but that's probably not it...)


-- 
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http://www.MichaelWLucas.com/, http://blather.MichaelWLucas.com/
Latest book: Absolute OpenBSD 2/e - http://www.nostarch.com/openbsd2e
coupon code "ILUVMICHAEL" gets you 30% off & helps me.


From jhb at freebsd.org  Wed Apr 17 17:05:16 2013
From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:05:16 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] vBSDCon Announcement
In-Reply-To: <20130417202443.GA95113@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
References: <CAHzLAVFBjtJUbNX2=FosTsATJLgbUU-fgi+nAA=tiTvDkpJGTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <516F013D.50301@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <20130417202443.GA95113@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
Message-ID: <201304171705.16709.jhb@freebsd.org>

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:24:43 pm Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 04:08:29PM -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
> > > Verisign is organizing and hosting a user and developer BSD-related
> > > conference in Dulles, VA October 25 - 27, 2013.  The announcement you saw
> > > is a preliminary "save the date" announcement.  Additional details will
> > > follow when we have the web site put up.
> > > 
> > 
> > Ahh... got it.
> > 
> > There were a lot of off-line discussions in regards to the 'v'..
> > 
> > Virginia?  Virtuous?  Verisign?
> > 
> > Good stuff, and keep us in the loop.
> 
> Why be specific on the "v," when ambiguity is so useful here? :-)
> 
> I'm glad to hear this, do keep us up on details.
> 
> ==ml
> 
> (PS: my first thought was "venereal," but that's probably not it...)

I assumed it was "virtual" given how VMs/cloud/etc. is all the rage.

-- 
John Baldwin


From mspitzer at gmail.com  Thu Apr 18 17:14:59 2013
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:14:59 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] vBSDCon Announcement
In-Reply-To: <201304171705.16709.jhb@freebsd.org>
References: <CAHzLAVFBjtJUbNX2=FosTsATJLgbUU-fgi+nAA=tiTvDkpJGTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <516F013D.50301@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <20130417202443.GA95113@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org>
 <201304171705.16709.jhb@freebsd.org>
Message-ID: <CA+qr9e4AzUd3F1GPRNVzhL1XKbcBBMwH9DRo2j2A_iFApgZkgQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, John Baldwin <jhb at freebsd.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:24:43 pm Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 04:08:29PM -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
> > > > Verisign is organizing and hosting a user and developer BSD-related
> > > > conference in Dulles, VA October 25 - 27, 2013.  The announcement
> you saw
> > > > is a preliminary "save the date" announcement.  Additional details
> will
> > > > follow when we have the web site put up.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ahh... got it.
> > >
> > > There were a lot of off-line discussions in regards to the 'v'..
> > >
> > > Virginia?  Virtuous?  Verisign?
> > >
> > > Good stuff, and keep us in the loop.
> >
> > Why be specific on the "v," when ambiguity is so useful here? :-)
> >
> > I'm glad to hear this, do keep us up on details.
> >
> > ==ml
> >
> > (PS: my first thought was "venereal," but that's probably not it...)
>
> I assumed it was "virtual" given how VMs/cloud/etc. is all the rage.
>

All I can say is you came up with much better choices then I did

marc

-- 
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--Albert Camus

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From dru.lavigne at att.net  Fri Apr 19 10:03:59 2013
From: dru.lavigne at att.net (Dru Lavigne)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 07:03:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] doc lounge during BSDCan
Message-ID: <1366380239.57484.YahooMailClassic@web184906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

For those of you attending BSDCan this year, there will be a doc lounge each evening (May 15-18) from 19:00-21:00. For the FreeBSD folks, there will be committers on hand to help get people started, review doc patches, and commit them for you. If you've ever wanted to help improve the docs or have a particular man page or Handbook chapter in mind that needs improving, this is a great opportunity to get it done.

This room is not limited to FreeBSD docs. If anyone else is interested in improving docs for any of the BSD projects (or derivatives), feel free to make use of this space. If you have a doc commit access for any BSD project, consider making use of and promoting this space as a way to get people interested in docs involved with your project.

Cheers,

Dru



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Fri Apr 19 11:06:46 2013
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:06:46 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] doc lounge during BSDCan
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References: <1366380239.57484.YahooMailClassic@web184906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <51715D86.1050406@ceetonetechnology.com>

Dru Lavigne:
> For those of you attending BSDCan this year, there will be a doc
> lounge each evening (May 15-18) from 19:00-21:00. For the FreeBSD
> folks, there will be committers on hand to help get people started,
> review doc patches, and commit them for you. If you've ever wanted to
> help improve the docs or have a particular man page or Handbook
> chapter in mind that needs improving, this is a great opportunity to
> get it done.
> 
> This room is not limited to FreeBSD docs. If anyone else is
> interested in improving docs for any of the BSD projects (or
> derivatives), feel free to make use of this space. If you have a doc
> commit access for any BSD project, consider making use of and
> promoting this space as a way to get people interested in docs
> involved with your project.


Great stuff DL.  I think documentation is among the best ways for non-
or future devs to contribute.

One area that could always use input is the EXAMPLES sections.

g

<hoping that gmirror(8) will start reflecting the diffs between 8.x and
9.x fbsd>
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From mark.saad at ymail.com  Tue Apr 30 10:59:13 2013
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 10:59:13 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Beagle Bone Black / BBB
Message-ID: <CAMXt9Nb6NQjtJB7Hbja0MTEmBCwFQ4kmcoo9z2_OO7ocb2M4Jg@mail.gmail.com>

All
  Has anyone looked at the BBB . Its cheeper then the original and appears
to have more ram and a faster cpu .


http://www.makershed.com/BeagleBoard_BeagleBone_Black_p/mkcce3.htm


-- 

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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Tue Apr 30 11:03:02 2013
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:03:02 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Beagle Bone Black / BBB
In-Reply-To: <CAMXt9Nb6NQjtJB7Hbja0MTEmBCwFQ4kmcoo9z2_OO7ocb2M4Jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMXt9Nb6NQjtJB7Hbja0MTEmBCwFQ4kmcoo9z2_OO7ocb2M4Jg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <517FDD26.6030904@ceetonetechnology.com>

Mark Saad:
> All
>   Has anyone looked at the BBB . Its cheeper then the original and appears
> to have more ram and a faster cpu .
> 
> 
> http://www.makershed.com/BeagleBoard_BeagleBone_Black_p/mkcce3.htm

Yes.  It's about $45.  I think GNN got his.

So there's a bunch of changes, but take a look at this past week's FBSD
ARM list archives for the details.  The previous BBone images won't work
with it.

Haven't ordered one yet, since it would be be stacked next to some other
hardware that needs attention ATM.

Would love to hear input from others...

g





From gnn at neville-neil.com  Tue Apr 30 11:28:24 2013
From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 11:28:24 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Beagle Bone Black / BBB
In-Reply-To: <517FDD26.6030904@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <CAMXt9Nb6NQjtJB7Hbja0MTEmBCwFQ4kmcoo9z2_OO7ocb2M4Jg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Apr 30, 2013, at 11:03 , George Rosamond <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:

> Mark Saad:
>> All
>>  Has anyone looked at the BBB . Its cheeper then the original and appears
>> to have more ram and a faster cpu .
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.makershed.com/BeagleBoard_BeagleBone_Black_p/mkcce3.htm
> 
> Yes.  It's about $45.  I think GNN got his.
> 

I have mine but it turns out I needed the serial cable and that's en route.

> So there's a bunch of changes, but take a look at this past week's FBSD
> ARM list archives for the details.  The previous BBone images won't work
> with it.
> 
> Haven't ordered one yet, since it would be be stacked next to some other
> hardware that needs attention ATM.
> 
> Would love to hear input from others?
> 

Your assessment is correct.  Tim is updating his stuff and I expect things will
start working this weekend.  

Best,
George






From mark.saad at ymail.com  Tue Apr 30 18:01:08 2013
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 15:01:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Crypto Anarchy
Message-ID: <1367359268.2031.YahooMailMobile@web140102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

All
  I was rereading Tim May&#x27;s Crypto Anarchy manifesto  1. While still relevant today there are a few things that date his work and I wonder if anyone could comment on them.  He mentions Ku-Band transmitters , I assume he is talking about satalite  microwave based communication but what system , is there or was there some form of this available to common users or just governments ?  Also tamper-proof boxes , is he referring to hardware or the concept of say tar&#x27;ng up a file encrypting it and signing it ? 

 In any case I wonder what today&#x27;s readers take away from this text . 

 

1. http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html
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From spork at bway.net  Tue Apr 30 18:33:00 2013
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 18:33:00 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Crypto Anarchy
In-Reply-To: <1367359268.2031.YahooMailMobile@web140102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <858524DD-A048-45AB-8E22-E4C221DB2C09@bway.net>

On Apr 30, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Mark Saad wrote:

> All
> I was rereading Tim May's Crypto Anarchy manifesto 1. While still relevant today there are a few things that date his work and I wonder if anyone could comment on them. He mentions Ku-Band transmitters , I assume he is talking about satalite microwave based communication but what system , is there or was there some form of this available to common users or just governments ? 

In many parts of the world, satellite internet is common.  I can't speak to it directly, but I believe that in Iraq it's still quite common and I would guess that in somewhere like Iran, it's probably your only option for unfiltered internet.  It's expensive and I believe Ku is not the preferred band anymore.  Anyhow, a fascinating topic.

Here's some dated pricing from the Amazon dude with a boat:

http://blog.mvdirona.com/2009/06/21/RemoteDataCommunicationCosts.aspx

And this site looks like it's from 1998, but seems to have somewhat current information:

http://www.satsig.net/

Lots of options in the Middle East:

http://www.satsig.net/ivsat2.htm

No pricing though?

It's certainly not anonymous, but it is a way to bypass the local/state telecom.

Charles

> Also tamper-proof boxes , is he referring to hardware or the concept of say tar'ng up a file encrypting it and signing it ? 
> 
> In any case I wonder what today's readers take away from this text . 
> 
> 
> 
> 1. http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Tue Apr 30 19:52:38 2013
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:52:38 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Crypto Anarchy
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Charles Sprickman:
> On Apr 30, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Mark Saad wrote:
> 
>> All I was rereading Tim May's Crypto Anarchy manifesto 1. While
>> still relevant today there are a few things that date his work and
>> I wonder if anyone could comment on them. He mentions Ku-Band
>> transmitters , I assume he is talking about satalite microwave
>> based communication but what system , is there or was there some
>> form of this available to common users or just governments ?
> 
> In many parts of the world, satellite internet is common.  I can't
> speak to it directly, but I believe that in Iraq it's still quite
> common and I would guess that in somewhere like Iran, it's probably
> your only option for unfiltered internet.  It's expensive and I
> believe Ku is not the preferred band anymore.  Anyhow, a fascinating
> topic.

Well, in terms of unfiltered internet, the most common solutions are
VPNs from external countries plus Tor.  Satellite data is costly for the
average person.

For the US military and associated, they do use a lot of satellite
comms, with the still horrible latency, AFAIK.

> 
> Here's some dated pricing from the Amazon dude with a boat:
> 
> http://blog.mvdirona.com/2009/06/21/RemoteDataCommunicationCosts.aspx
>
>  And this site looks like it's from 1998, but seems to have somewhat
> current information:
> 
> http://www.satsig.net/
> 
> Lots of options in the Middle East:
> 
> http://www.satsig.net/ivsat2.htm
> 
> No pricing though?
> 
> It's certainly not anonymous, but it is a way to bypass the
> local/state telecom.
> 

The real scary thing about satellite comms is the tracking.  A bunch of
phones were apparently sent to assist some dissidents in one particular
country, and meanwhile, their adversary bought the access codes from
another country, which turned them into essentially homing devices.

"Hey, here's a sat phone!" was replaced with "Hey, here's a target on
your head!"

> Charles
> 
>> Also tamper-proof boxes , is he referring to hardware or the
>> concept of say tar'ng up a file encrypting it and signing it ?
>> 
>> In any case I wonder what today's readers take away from this text
>> .
>> 

I think a lot of dated solutions are relevant again.  Need to bypass a
country shutting down internet access?  Dial-up modems.  A bunch of ISPs
were providing free dial-up numbers in Egypt when the pipes were shut,
and it worked.

Someone who used to be around NYC*BUG but moved far away was stockpiling
"analog" hardware, and I mocked him.  Well, a lot of decent
circumvention solutions now retreat back to older hardware...

So I have a tangent from that...

Are there any screws that can act as physical "alarms" in a sense.  I
don't mean security screws, like "tighten only" ones or Torx
tamper-resistant (which are all over the newer subways), but rather
screws that could be screwed in, and it would be impossible to hide if
they were opened?

I know it sounds crazy, but think about remote, uncool colo situations.

g

>> 
>> 
>> 1. http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html 


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From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 22:08:29 -0400
Subject: [nycbug-talk] Crypto Anarchy
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On Apr 30, 2013, at 7:52 PM, George Rosamond wrote:

> Charles Sprickman:
>> On Apr 30, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Mark Saad wrote:
>> 
>>> All I was rereading Tim May's Crypto Anarchy manifesto 1. While
>>> still relevant today there are a few things that date his work and
>>> I wonder if anyone could comment on them. He mentions Ku-Band
>>> transmitters , I assume he is talking about satalite microwave
>>> based communication but what system , is there or was there some
>>> form of this available to common users or just governments ?
>> 
>> In many parts of the world, satellite internet is common.  I can't
>> speak to it directly, but I believe that in Iraq it's still quite
>> common and I would guess that in somewhere like Iran, it's probably
>> your only option for unfiltered internet.  It's expensive and I
>> believe Ku is not the preferred band anymore.  Anyhow, a fascinating
>> topic.
> 
> Well, in terms of unfiltered internet, the most common solutions are
> VPNs from external countries plus Tor.  Satellite data is costly for the
> average person.

I was thinking of the situation in Iraq after things were destroyed
- a cafe owner or similar selling service at the premise, providing
some basic cost-shared access.

Looks like the Iranians have few options, this article notes that
VPNs are being blocked (except for "registered" VPNs, heh), and that
in October they were trying to jam satellites:

http://www.rferl.org/content/iran-internet-censorship/24926892.html

Not sure if they are just trying to block DBS or internet services
over satellite:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2012/201112wsjammingconference.html

> For the US military and associated, they do use a lot of satellite
> comms, with the still horrible latency, AFAIK.
> 
>> 
>> Here's some dated pricing from the Amazon dude with a boat:
>> 
>> http://blog.mvdirona.com/2009/06/21/RemoteDataCommunicationCosts.aspx
>> 
>> And this site looks like it's from 1998, but seems to have somewhat
>> current information:
>> 
>> http://www.satsig.net/
>> 
>> Lots of options in the Middle East:
>> 
>> http://www.satsig.net/ivsat2.htm
>> 
>> No pricing though?
>> 
>> It's certainly not anonymous, but it is a way to bypass the
>> local/state telecom.
>> 
> 
> The real scary thing about satellite comms is the tracking.  A bunch of
> phones were apparently sent to assist some dissidents in one particular
> country, and meanwhile, their adversary bought the access codes from
> another country, which turned them into essentially homing devices.

Any idea how this works?  I can see localizing a cell phone, but
triangulating on a sat phone must require some interesting
cooperation.

> 
> "Hey, here's a sat phone!" was replaced with "Hey, here's a target on
> your head!"
> 
>> Charles
>> 
>>> Also tamper-proof boxes , is he referring to hardware or the
>>> concept of say tar'ng up a file encrypting it and signing it ?
>>> 
>>> In any case I wonder what today's readers take away from this text
>>> .
>>> 
> 
> I think a lot of dated solutions are relevant again.  Need to bypass a
> country shutting down internet access?  Dial-up modems.  A bunch of ISPs
> were providing free dial-up numbers in Egypt when the pipes were shut,
> and it worked.
> 
> Someone who used to be around NYC*BUG but moved far away was stockpiling
> "analog" hardware, and I mocked him.  Well, a lot of decent
> circumvention solutions now retreat back to older hardware?

I have two Couriers. :)

(and no POTS)

> So I have a tangent from that...
> 
> Are there any screws that can act as physical "alarms" in a sense.  I
> don't mean security screws, like "tighten only" ones or Torx
> tamper-resistant (which are all over the newer subways), but rather
> screws that could be screwed in, and it would be impossible to hide if
> they were opened?
> 
> I know it sounds crazy, but think about remote, uncool colo situations.

This looks kind of neat - the head of the screw breaks off after installation:

http://www.securityfasteners.net/Security-Machine-Screws/Security-Shear-Screws-Security-Breakaway-Screw.html

C



> g
> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1. http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html 
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