From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Dec 9 09:47:58 2013 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 09:47:58 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] tonight's holiday party Message-ID: <52A5D81E.6070007@ceetonetechnology.com> The party is this evening starting at 7 PM. Be sure to RSVP ASAP. There will be posters for the conference. It's our best opportunity to build the conference beyond the regular NYC*BUG routine. If you're available to help out, we'll need some assistance in getting things setup, "working the door", etc. g From anthony.elizondo at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 11:59:02 2013 From: anthony.elizondo at gmail.com (Anthony Elizondo) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 11:59:02 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD on Google Compute Engine Message-ID: Many of you may have heard, Google Compute Engine went GA a week ago. It competes with AWS EC2, and is a 'raw' IaaS KVM-based VM. http://googlecloudplatform.blogspot.com/2013/12/google-compute-engine-is-now-generally-available.html In their announcement they proudly tout FreeBSD support. Thanks Google! No pre-built images are available, however. Instructions for doing so are at https://developers.google.com/compute/docs/building-image Has anyone tried FreeBSD on GCE yet? Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon Dec 9 13:31:54 2013 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:31:54 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD on Google Compute Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52A60C9A.2070706@nomadlogic.org> On 12/09/2013 08:59 AM, Anthony Elizondo wrote: > Many of you may have heard, Google Compute Engine went GA a week ago. It > competes with AWS EC2, and is a 'raw' IaaS KVM-based VM. > > http://googlecloudplatform.blogspot.com/2013/12/google-compute-engine-is-now-generally-available.html > > In their announcement they proudly tout FreeBSD support. Thanks Google! > > No pre-built images are available, however. Instructions for doing so > are at https://developers.google.com/compute/docs/building-image > > Has anyone tried FreeBSD on GCE yet? > nice - glad to see them publicly announce support for freebsd. reading through the docs there it doesn't seem to provide a good example of creating a generic OS instance to create an image off of. i know in the AWS world you generally need to mount an EBS volume onto an existing image, chroot into that guy, configure it to suit, then create an image off of that. i'd assume you have to do something similar with GCE. as an aside - i've been doing a bit of work with openstack lately and plan on re-focusing my efforts early next year on it. one of my first goals is to create a publicly available FreeBSD (and possibly NetBSD to follow shortly after that) image for use on OpenStack. details to follow :) i *can* say for the record using FreeBSD + ZFS + openstack-nfs-block_disk-provider *does* work quite well in my lab:) -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From anthony.elizondo at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 14:09:35 2013 From: anthony.elizondo at gmail.com (Anthony Elizondo) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 14:09:35 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD on Google Compute Engine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From GCE Product Manager Martin Buhr, guess the FreeBSD Foundation is working on it already: https://twitter.com/TallMartin/status/410122607334535169 From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon Dec 9 16:28:16 2013 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 13:28:16 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD pkg repository question Message-ID: <52A635F0.1000500@nomadlogic.org> wanted to ping talk@ before hitting up freebsd-questions@ - i manage my own pkg repositories for my freebsd systems. recently i've been getting this warning message when ever i update my packages (via pkg upgrade): pkg: PACKAGESITE in pkg.conf is deprecated. Please create a repository configuration file Updating repository catalogue I understand pkg has moved over to using SRV records and new configuration format for repository configurations. what i can not figure out, or find docs on how to do this, is setting up my local repository to work with the new pkg.conf configuration syntax. anyone else run into this? cheers! -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From jpb at jimby.name Mon Dec 9 18:03:41 2013 From: jpb at jimby.name (Jim B.) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 18:03:41 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] tonight's holiday party In-Reply-To: <52A5D81E.6070007@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <52A5D81E.6070007@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <20131209230341.GA82585@jimby.name> * George Rosamond [2013-12-09 10:15]: > The party is this evening starting at 7 PM. Be sure to RSVP ASAP. > > There will be posters for the conference. It's our best opportunity to > build the conference beyond the regular NYC*BUG routine. > > If you're available to help out, we'll need some assistance in getting > things setup, "working the door", etc. > > g Have a great party NYCBUG! Wish I was there, but I'm with you in spirits ;-) Jim B. From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon Dec 9 18:33:34 2013 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 15:33:34 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD pkg repository question In-Reply-To: <20131209233207.GA24626@scott1.scottro.net> References: <52A635F0.1000500@nomadlogic.org> <20131209233207.GA24626@scott1.scottro.net> Message-ID: <52A6534E.5000907@nomadlogic.org> On 12/09/13 15:32, Scott Robbins wrote: > On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 01:28:16PM -0800, Pete Wright wrote: >> wanted to ping talk@ before hitting up freebsd-questions@ - i manage my >> own pkg repositories for my freebsd systems. recently i've been getting >> this warning message when ever i update my packages (via pkg upgrade): >> >> >> pkg: PACKAGESITE in pkg.conf is deprecated. Please create a repository >> configuration file >> Updating repository catalogue >> >> >> I understand pkg has moved over to using SRV records and new >> configuration format for repository configurations. what i can not >> figure out, or find docs on how to do this, is setting up my local >> repository to work with the new pkg.conf configuration syntax. > > Yeah, it's on the wiki (as opposed to the Handbook) > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng#Availability_of_binary_pkgs_for_Download > > There's a sample file. I just copied that exactly and it worked. > > hrm i had thought i tested that but was still running into errors. going to give it another shot now - thanks for the heads up! cheers, -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon Dec 9 18:44:37 2013 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 15:44:37 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] [SOLVED]: FreeBSD pkg repository question In-Reply-To: <52A6534E.5000907@nomadlogic.org> References: <52A635F0.1000500@nomadlogic.org> <20131209233207.GA24626@scott1.scottro.net> <52A6534E.5000907@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <52A655E5.7020307@nomadlogic.org> On 12/09/13 15:33, Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 12/09/13 15:32, Scott Robbins wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 01:28:16PM -0800, Pete Wright wrote: >>> wanted to ping talk@ before hitting up freebsd-questions@ - i manage my >>> own pkg repositories for my freebsd systems. recently i've been getting >>> this warning message when ever i update my packages (via pkg upgrade): >>> >>> >>> pkg: PACKAGESITE in pkg.conf is deprecated. Please create a repository >>> configuration file >>> Updating repository catalogue >>> >>> >>> I understand pkg has moved over to using SRV records and new >>> configuration format for repository configurations. what i can not >>> figure out, or find docs on how to do this, is setting up my local >>> repository to work with the new pkg.conf configuration syntax. >> >> Yeah, it's on the wiki (as opposed to the Handbook) >> >> https://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng#Availability_of_binary_pkgs_for_Download >> >> There's a sample file. I just copied that exactly and it worked. >> >> > > hrm i had thought i tested that but was still running into errors. > going to give it another shot now - thanks for the heads up! > yea the directions on the wiki are correct - i had an empty newline in my old pkg.conf config that was breaking things. fwiw this is what my /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/nomadlogic.conf looks like: nomadlogic: { url: "pkg+http://pkg.nomadlogic.org/92amd64-default", mirror_type: "srv", enabled: yes } I'm going to try to figure out what mirror_type: "srv" stands for since I was mistakenly(?) assuming that was for SRV dns records. i do not have a SRV record for this host/service but things are working a-ok so far. cheers, -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From gjb at FreeBSD.org Mon Dec 9 18:49:15 2013 From: gjb at FreeBSD.org (Glen Barber) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 18:49:15 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] [SOLVED]: FreeBSD pkg repository question In-Reply-To: <52A655E5.7020307@nomadlogic.org> References: <52A635F0.1000500@nomadlogic.org> <20131209233207.GA24626@scott1.scottro.net> <52A6534E.5000907@nomadlogic.org> <52A655E5.7020307@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20131209234915.GF50284@glenbarber.us> On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 03:44:37PM -0800, Pete Wright wrote: > yea the directions on the wiki are correct - i had an empty newline in > my old pkg.conf config that was breaking things. fwiw this is what my > /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/nomadlogic.conf looks like: > > nomadlogic: { > url: "pkg+http://pkg.nomadlogic.org/92amd64-default", > mirror_type: "srv", > enabled: yes > } > > I'm going to try to figure out what mirror_type: "srv" stands for since > I was mistakenly(?) assuming that was for SRV dns records. i do not > have a SRV record for this host/service but things are working a-ok so far. It is. You can use: mirror_type: "none" or remove the line entirely. Also, if you want to disable the default FreeBSD (pkg.FreeBSD.org) repository, you can add: FreeBSD: { enabled: no } Glen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can use: > > mirror_type: "none" > > or remove the line entirely. > > Also, if you want to disable the default FreeBSD (pkg.FreeBSD.org) > repository, you can add: > > FreeBSD: { > enabled: no > } > woot - thanks Glen! Cheers, -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From scottro at nyc.rr.com Mon Dec 9 18:32:07 2013 From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 18:32:07 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD pkg repository question In-Reply-To: <52A635F0.1000500@nomadlogic.org> References: <52A635F0.1000500@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <20131209233207.GA24626@scott1.scottro.net> On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 01:28:16PM -0800, Pete Wright wrote: > wanted to ping talk@ before hitting up freebsd-questions@ - i manage my > own pkg repositories for my freebsd systems. recently i've been getting > this warning message when ever i update my packages (via pkg upgrade): > > > pkg: PACKAGESITE in pkg.conf is deprecated. Please create a repository > configuration file > Updating repository catalogue > > > I understand pkg has moved over to using SRV records and new > configuration format for repository configurations. what i can not > figure out, or find docs on how to do this, is setting up my local > repository to work with the new pkg.conf configuration syntax. Yeah, it's on the wiki (as opposed to the Handbook) https://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng#Availability_of_binary_pkgs_for_Download There's a sample file. I just copied that exactly and it worked. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 From jkeen at verizon.net Tue Dec 10 21:12:40 2013 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 21:12:40 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD abandoning hardware randomness Message-ID: <52A7CA18.3080307@verizon.net> Article here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/09/freebsd_abandoning_hardware_randomness/ From ike at blackskyresearch.net Wed Dec 11 09:37:59 2013 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:37:59 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD abandoning hardware randomness Message-ID: <201312111437.rBBEbxMo012095@rs101.luxsci.com> On December 10, 2013 09:12:40 PM EST, James E Keenan wrote: > Article here: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/09/freebsd_abandoning_hardware_randomness/ This made the rounds in ARS yesterday too, http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/we-cannot-trust-intel-and-vias-chip-based-crypto-freebsd-developers-say/ -- While it's all on our mind, here's an excellent old article detailing random facilities, focused on practical use of OpenBSD and FreeBSD, https://calomel.org/entropy_random_number_generators.html Best, .ike From ike at blackskyresearch.net Wed Dec 11 11:05:13 2013 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:05:13 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD abandoning hardware randomness Message-ID: <201312111605.rBBG5DlH008976@rs103.luxsci.com> Correction, On December 11, 2013 09:37:59 AM EST, "Isaac (.ike) Levy" wrote: > > On December 10, 2013 09:12:40 PM EST, James E Keenan > wrote: > >> Article here: >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/09/freebsd_abandoning_hardware_randomness/ > > This made the rounds in ARS yesterday too, > http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/we-cannot-trust-intel-and-vias-chip-based-crypto-freebsd-developers-say/ > > -- > While it's all on our mind, here's an excellent old article detailing > random facilities, focused on practical use of OpenBSD and FreeBSD, > https://calomel.org/entropy_random_number_generators.html It was pointed out to me on that the calomel articles are not known for their correctness, which piques my curiosity: Can anyone point at solid practical documentation for using, sourcing, and validating various random subsystems on *BSD/UNIX systems? Best, .ike From bcallah at devio.us Wed Dec 11 11:38:49 2013 From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:38:49 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD abandoning hardware randomness In-Reply-To: <201312111437.rBBEbxMo012095@rs101.luxsci.com> References: <201312111437.rBBEbxMo012095@rs101.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <52A89519.3060807@devio.us> On 12/11/2013 9:37 AM, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > > On December 10, 2013 09:12:40 PM EST, James E Keenan > wrote: > >> Article here: >> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/09/freebsd_abandoning_hardware_randomness/ >> Whoa. Before this gets way out of hand, let's take a step back and analyze what's really going on here. No, FreeBSD is not abandoning hardware randomness. That's beyond irresponsible of a headline; not that one should consider The Register a bastion of journalistic integrity. Read the quote: "...remove RDRAND and Padlock backends and feed them into Yarrow instead of delivering their output directly to /dev/random." So hardware randomness is still being used, it's just not being given directly to /dev/random, it has to go through Yarrow (a pseudorandom number algorithm/generator). And hey - if you really think using RDRAND directly is such a good thing, go for it, "...It will still be possible to access hardware random number generators, that is, RDRAND, Padlock etc., directly by inline assembly or by using OpenSSL from userland, if required ..." Instead of giving the nod to FreeBSD for actually taking steps towards a good thing here, we're seeing nonsense articles like this from people who don't understand cryptography. Yes, cryptography is hard and a lot of people don't understand it. Don't believe the sensationalism. ~Brian > > This made the rounds in ARS yesterday too, > http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/we-cannot-trust-intel-and-vias-chip-based-crypto-freebsd-developers-say/ > > > -- > While it's all on our mind, here's an excellent old article detailing > random facilities, focused on practical use of OpenBSD and FreeBSD, > https://calomel.org/entropy_random_number_generators.html > PS - don't link to calomel. That guy has no idea what he's talking about. Read his "Package Find using pkg_find" "tutorial" for a good laugh. From ike at blackskyresearch.net Wed Dec 11 12:06:17 2013 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:06:17 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD abandoning hardware randomness Message-ID: <201312111706.rBBH6Hui024228@rs103.luxsci.com> On December 11, 2013 11:05:13 AM EST, "Isaac (.ike) Levy" wrote: > > Correction, > > On December 11, 2013 09:37:59 AM EST, "Isaac (.ike) Levy" > wrote: > >> >> On December 10, 2013 09:12:40 PM EST, James E Keenan >> wrote: >> >>> Article here: >>> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/09/freebsd_abandoning_hardware_randomness/ >> >> This made the rounds in ARS yesterday too, >> http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/we-cannot-trust-intel-and-vias-chip-based-crypto-freebsd-developers-say/ >> >> -- >> While it's all on our mind, here's an excellent old article >> detailing random facilities, focused on practical use of OpenBSD and >> FreeBSD, >> https://calomel.org/entropy_random_number_generators.html > > It was pointed out to me on that the calomel articles are not known > for their correctness, which piques my curiosity: > > Can anyone point at solid practical documentation for using, > sourcing, and validating various random subsystems on *BSD/UNIX > systems? bcallah pointed out this gem: " * Computers are very predictable devices..." http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/rnd.c?rev=1.147;content-type=text%2Fplain Now, why that's not in a man page, (or is it?), is beyond me. Best, .ike > > Best, > .ike > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://www.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > From bcallah at devio.us Wed Dec 11 12:08:41 2013 From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:08:41 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD abandoning hardware randomness In-Reply-To: <201312111706.rBBH6Hui024228@rs103.luxsci.com> References: <201312111706.rBBH6Hui024228@rs103.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <52A89C19.5070006@devio.us> On 12/11/2013 12:06 PM, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > > On December 11, 2013 11:05:13 AM EST, "Isaac (.ike) Levy" > wrote: > >> >> Correction, >> >> On December 11, 2013 09:37:59 AM EST, "Isaac (.ike) Levy" >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On December 10, 2013 09:12:40 PM EST, James E Keenan >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Article here: >>>> >>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/09/freebsd_abandoning_hardware_randomness/ >>>> >>> >>> This made the rounds in ARS yesterday too, >>> http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/we-cannot-trust-intel-and-vias-chip-based-crypto-freebsd-developers-say/ >>> >>> >>> -- >>> While it's all on our mind, here's an excellent old article detailing >>> random facilities, focused on practical use of OpenBSD and FreeBSD, >>> https://calomel.org/entropy_random_number_generators.html >> >> It was pointed out to me on that the calomel articles are not known >> for their correctness, which piques my curiosity: >> >> Can anyone point at solid practical documentation for using, sourcing, >> and validating various random subsystems on *BSD/UNIX systems? > > bcallah pointed out this gem: > > " * Computers are very predictable devices..." Humans are also very predictable devices... maybe we can create a RNG for our brains? :) We'd probably make a killing from venture capitalists... > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/rnd.c?rev=1.147;content-type=text%2Fplain > > > Now, why that's not in a man page, (or is it?), is beyond me. > > Best, > .ike > > >> >> Best, >> .ike >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://www.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://www.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed Dec 11 12:58:20 2013 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:58:20 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD abandoning hardware randomness In-Reply-To: <52A89519.3060807@devio.us> References: <201312111437.rBBEbxMo012095@rs101.luxsci.com> <52A89519.3060807@devio.us> Message-ID: <52A8A7BC.8080900@nomadlogic.org> On 12/11/13 08:38, Brian Callahan wrote: > On 12/11/2013 9:37 AM, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: >> >> On December 10, 2013 09:12:40 PM EST, James E Keenan >> wrote: >> >>> Article here: >>> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/09/freebsd_abandoning_hardware_randomness/ >>> >>> > > Whoa. Before this gets way out of hand, let's take a step back and > analyze what's really going on here. > > No, FreeBSD is not abandoning hardware randomness. That's beyond > irresponsible of a headline; not that one should consider The Register a > bastion of journalistic integrity. > > Read the quote: "...remove RDRAND and Padlock backends and feed them > into Yarrow instead of delivering their output directly to /dev/random." > So hardware randomness is still being used, it's just not being given > directly to /dev/random, it has to go through Yarrow (a pseudorandom > number algorithm/generator). And hey - if you really think using RDRAND > directly is such a good thing, go for it, "...It will still be possible > to access hardware random number generators, that is, RDRAND, Padlock > etc., directly by inline assembly or by using OpenSSL from userland, if > required ..." > > Instead of giving the nod to FreeBSD for actually taking steps towards a > good thing here, we're seeing nonsense articles like this from people > who don't understand cryptography. > > Yes, cryptography is hard and a lot of people don't understand it. Don't > believe the sensationalism. > +1 I thought the story here was the fact that the FreeBSD project publicly stated *why* they are not relying solely on these devices due to more-than-probable NSA/GHQ tampering. I think this will also have interesting repercussions on hardware vendors using FreeBSD, although those discussions will most likely happen in private ;) -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed Dec 11 13:05:57 2013 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 10:05:57 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ARM NICs Message-ID: <52A8A985.7010805@nomadlogic.org> Hey guys - anyone know of any ARM boards that have more than on NIC? Checked around quickly last night and didn't find anything too promising. my plan is to run a super low-power board to act as a NAT device for some R&D stuff i'm doing. figure it'd be a good chance to test out FreeBSD's evolving ARM support. cheers! -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Dec 11 13:16:47 2013 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:16:47 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ARM NICs In-Reply-To: <52A8A985.7010805@nomadlogic.org> References: <52A8A985.7010805@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <52A8AC0F.1060605@ceetonetechnology.com> Pete Wright: > Hey guys - anyone know of any ARM boards that have more than on NIC? > Checked around quickly last night and didn't find anything too promising. > > my plan is to run a super low-power board to act as a NAT device for > some R&D stuff i'm doing. figure it'd be a good chance to test out > FreeBSD's evolving ARM support. > I don't... but I'm sure there are. I don't remember actually seeing any. Anyone one from pfSense onlist might know... cmb? What *did* you find? You could also (crazily) try some usb NICs.. .there's some that have decent support, even if it's a pretty bad idea in general. FBSD ARM has some heavy changes right now... there are regular breaks in HEAD and in 10 stable.. so playing? Yes. Production? not quite. I think also GNN has been buying less-known ARM boards pretty regularly. g From spork at bway.net Wed Dec 11 13:28:31 2013 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:28:31 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ARM NICs In-Reply-To: <52A8AC0F.1060605@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <52A8A985.7010805@nomadlogic.org> <52A8AC0F.1060605@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:16 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > Pete Wright: >> Hey guys - anyone know of any ARM boards that have more than on NIC? >> Checked around quickly last night and didn't find anything too promising. >> >> my plan is to run a super low-power board to act as a NAT device for >> some R&D stuff i'm doing. figure it'd be a good chance to test out >> FreeBSD's evolving ARM support. >> > > I don't... but I'm sure there are. I don't remember actually seeing > any. Anyone one from pfSense onlist might know... cmb? > > What *did* you find? > > You could also (crazily) try some usb NICs.. .there's some that have > decent support, even if it's a pretty bad idea in general. > > FBSD ARM has some heavy changes right now... there are regular breaks in > HEAD and in 10 stable.. so playing? Yes. Production? not quite. > > I think also GNN has been buying less-known ARM boards pretty regularly. If there's any bleeding-edge support for Mikrotik Routerboards, those will give you plenty of ports for cheap. I would imagine if there are any FreeBSD-compatible "home routers", you'd also be able to get more than one port. Many of those incorporate a vlan-capable switch on the LAN side. example of mondo-routerboard: http://routerboard.com/RB2011LS 5 GigE, 5 FastE, takes sfps. C > g > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://www.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed Dec 11 13:40:10 2013 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 10:40:10 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ARM NICs In-Reply-To: References: <52A8A985.7010805@nomadlogic.org> <52A8AC0F.1060605@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <52A8B18A.7010604@nomadlogic.org> On 12/11/13 10:28, Charles Sprickman wrote: > > On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:16 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > >> Pete Wright: >>> Hey guys - anyone know of any ARM boards that have more than on NIC? >>> Checked around quickly last night and didn't find anything too promising. >>> >>> my plan is to run a super low-power board to act as a NAT device for >>> some R&D stuff i'm doing. figure it'd be a good chance to test out >>> FreeBSD's evolving ARM support. >>> >> >> I don't... but I'm sure there are. I don't remember actually seeing >> any. Anyone one from pfSense onlist might know... cmb? >> >> What *did* you find? >> >> You could also (crazily) try some usb NICs.. .there's some that have >> decent support, even if it's a pretty bad idea in general. >> >> FBSD ARM has some heavy changes right now... there are regular breaks in >> HEAD and in 10 stable.. so playing? Yes. Production? not quite. >> >> I think also GNN has been buying less-known ARM boards pretty regularly. > > If there's any bleeding-edge support for Mikrotik Routerboards, those will > give you plenty of ports for cheap. I would imagine if there are any > FreeBSD-compatible "home routers", you'd also be able to get more > than one port. Many of those incorporate a vlan-capable switch on the > LAN side. > > example of mondo-routerboard: > > http://routerboard.com/RB2011LS > > 5 GigE, 5 FastE, takes sfps. > nice - looks like they are based on MIPS chips...wonder if NetBSD has support for these. the SFP+ capability could actually be really useful...so may options! :) -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From mikel.king at gmail.com Wed Dec 11 13:59:49 2013 From: mikel.king at gmail.com (Mikel King) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 13:59:49 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ARM NICs In-Reply-To: <52A8A985.7010805@nomadlogic.org> References: <52A8A985.7010805@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > Hey guys - anyone know of any ARM boards that have more than on NIC? > Checked around quickly last night and didn't find anything too promising. > > my plan is to run a super low-power board to act as a NAT device for > some R&D stuff i'm doing. figure it'd be a good chance to test out > FreeBSD's evolving ARM support. > > cheers! > -pete > > -- > Pete Wright > pete at nomadlogic.org > twitter => @nomadlogicLA Hey Pete, Would this work? http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/99-arm-based-pc-runs-either-ubuntu-or-android/ Cheers, Mikel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed Dec 11 15:14:02 2013 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 12:14:02 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ARM NICs In-Reply-To: References: <52A8A985.7010805@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <52A8C78A.1040003@nomadlogic.org> On 12/11/13 10:59, Mikel King wrote: > > On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > >> Hey guys - anyone know of any ARM boards that have more than on NIC? >> Checked around quickly last night and didn't find anything too promising. >> >> my plan is to run a super low-power board to act as a NAT device for >> some R&D stuff i'm doing. figure it'd be a good chance to test out >> FreeBSD's evolving ARM support. >> >> cheers! >> -pete >> >> -- >> Pete Wright >> pete at nomadlogic.org >> twitter => @nomadlogicLA > > > Hey Pete, > > Would this work? > > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/99-arm-based-pc-runs-either-ubuntu-or-android/ > oh snap i forgot about that bad-boy. that may be just the thing i'm looking for. looks like the board is driven by this: Freescale i.MX6 single / dual / quad core Cortex-A9 MPCore, up to 1.2GHz there seems to be initial support of a xylinx SOC using the cortex-a9 here: http://utilite-computer.com/web/utilite-specifications this may be a winner...def seems like a fun bit of kit to hack on :) -p -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Dec 11 15:27:26 2013 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 15:27:26 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ARM NICs In-Reply-To: <52A8C78A.1040003@nomadlogic.org> References: <52A8A985.7010805@nomadlogic.org> <52A8C78A.1040003@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <52A8CAAE.4030907@ceetonetechnology.com> Pete Wright: > > > On 12/11/13 10:59, Mikel King wrote: >> >> On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Pete Wright wrote: >> >>> Hey guys - anyone know of any ARM boards that have more than on NIC? >>> Checked around quickly last night and didn't find anything too promising. >>> >>> my plan is to run a super low-power board to act as a NAT device for >>> some R&D stuff i'm doing. figure it'd be a good chance to test out >>> FreeBSD's evolving ARM support. >>> >>> cheers! >>> -pete >>> >>> -- >>> Pete Wright >>> pete at nomadlogic.org >>> twitter => @nomadlogicLA >> >> >> Hey Pete, >> >> Would this work? >> >> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/99-arm-based-pc-runs-either-ubuntu-or-android/ >> > oh snap i forgot about that bad-boy. that may be just the thing i'm > looking for. looks like the board is driven by this: > > Freescale i.MX6 single / dual / quad core Cortex-A9 MPCore, up to 1.2GHz > > > there seems to be initial support of a xylinx SOC using the cortex-a9 here: > > http://utilite-computer.com/web/utilite-specifications > > this may be a winner...def seems like a fun bit of kit to hack on :) maybe ping the FreeBSD arm@ list and see who's working on it.. .and check the most recent crochet for support. I'm *really* curious to know which hardware the pfSense people are working on... g From gnn at neville-neil.com Wed Dec 11 16:44:06 2013 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:44:06 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ARM NICs In-Reply-To: <52A8CAAE.4030907@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <52A8A985.7010805@nomadlogic.org> <52A8C78A.1040003@nomadlogic.org> <52A8CAAE.4030907@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <52A8DCA6.9010303@neville-neil.com> On 12/11/13 15:27, George Rosamond wrote: > Pete Wright: >> >> >> On 12/11/13 10:59, Mikel King wrote: >>> >>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Pete Wright wrote: >>> >>>> Hey guys - anyone know of any ARM boards that have more than on NIC? >>>> Checked around quickly last night and didn't find anything too promising. >>>> >>>> my plan is to run a super low-power board to act as a NAT device for >>>> some R&D stuff i'm doing. figure it'd be a good chance to test out >>>> FreeBSD's evolving ARM support. >>>> >>>> cheers! >>>> -pete >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Pete Wright >>>> pete at nomadlogic.org >>>> twitter => @nomadlogicLA >>> >>> >>> Hey Pete, >>> >>> Would this work? >>> >>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/99-arm-based-pc-runs-either-ubuntu-or-android/ >>> >> oh snap i forgot about that bad-boy. that may be just the thing i'm >> looking for. looks like the board is driven by this: >> >> Freescale i.MX6 single / dual / quad core Cortex-A9 MPCore, up to 1.2GHz >> >> >> there seems to be initial support of a xylinx SOC using the cortex-a9 here: >> >> http://utilite-computer.com/web/utilite-specifications >> >> this may be a winner...def seems like a fun bit of kit to hack on :) > > maybe ping the FreeBSD arm@ list and see who's working on it.. .and > check the most recent crochet for support. > > I'm *really* curious to know which hardware the pfSense people are > working on... > BTW At the moment I'm not working on any multi Ethernet ARM boards, just Pi and BBB. If such things come to exist I"ll definitely look at them though. Best, George From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed Dec 11 17:07:52 2013 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 14:07:52 -0800 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ARM NICs In-Reply-To: <52A8DCA6.9010303@neville-neil.com> References: <52A8A985.7010805@nomadlogic.org> <52A8C78A.1040003@nomadlogic.org> <52A8CAAE.4030907@ceetonetechnology.com> <52A8DCA6.9010303@neville-neil.com> Message-ID: <52A8E238.7010901@nomadlogic.org> On 12/11/13 13:44, George Neville-Neil wrote: > On 12/11/13 15:27, George Rosamond wrote: >> Pete Wright: >>> >>> >>> On 12/11/13 10:59, Mikel King wrote: >>>> >>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Pete Wright wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey guys - anyone know of any ARM boards that have more than on NIC? >>>>> Checked around quickly last night and didn't find anything too promising. >>>>> >>>>> my plan is to run a super low-power board to act as a NAT device for >>>>> some R&D stuff i'm doing. figure it'd be a good chance to test out >>>>> FreeBSD's evolving ARM support. >>>>> >>>>> cheers! >>>>> -pete >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Pete Wright >>>>> pete at nomadlogic.org >>>>> twitter => @nomadlogicLA >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey Pete, >>>> >>>> Would this work? >>>> >>>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/99-arm-based-pc-runs-either-ubuntu-or-android/ >>>> >>> oh snap i forgot about that bad-boy. that may be just the thing i'm >>> looking for. looks like the board is driven by this: >>> >>> Freescale i.MX6 single / dual / quad core Cortex-A9 MPCore, up to 1.2GHz >>> >>> >>> there seems to be initial support of a xylinx SOC using the cortex-a9 here: >>> >>> http://utilite-computer.com/web/utilite-specifications >>> >>> this may be a winner...def seems like a fun bit of kit to hack on :) >> >> maybe ping the FreeBSD arm@ list and see who's working on it.. .and >> check the most recent crochet for support. >> >> I'm *really* curious to know which hardware the pfSense people are >> working on... >> > > BTW At the moment I'm not working on any multi Ethernet ARM boards, just > Pi and BBB. If such things come to exist I"ll definitely look at them > though. > thanks for the heads up George! I think I am going to purchase one of these systems and see how it goes from there: http://utilite-computer.com/web/utilite-specifications I'll also join the appropriate mailing lists if I do get this sucker and hopefully contribute to getting better arm support for FreeBSD done :) cheers, -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From mark.saad at ymail.com Wed Dec 11 18:04:59 2013 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:04:59 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD abandoning hardware randomness In-Reply-To: <52A8A7BC.8080900@nomadlogic.org> References: <201312111437.rBBEbxMo012095@rs101.luxsci.com> <52A89519.3060807@devio.us> <52A8A7BC.8080900@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <7E96B5EE-E96F-4040-A348-87A60F3DD1C9@ymail.com> > On Dec 11, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > > > >> On 12/11/13 08:38, Brian Callahan wrote: >>> On 12/11/2013 9:37 AM, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: >>> >>> On December 10, 2013 09:12:40 PM EST, James E Keenan >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Article here: >>>> >>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/09/freebsd_abandoning_hardware_randomness/ >> >> Whoa. Before this gets way out of hand, let's take a step back and >> analyze what's really going on here. >> >> No, FreeBSD is not abandoning hardware randomness. That's beyond >> irresponsible of a headline; not that one should consider The Register a >> bastion of journalistic integrity. >> >> Read the quote: "...remove RDRAND and Padlock backends and feed them >> into Yarrow instead of delivering their output directly to /dev/random." >> So hardware randomness is still being used, it's just not being given >> directly to /dev/random, it has to go through Yarrow (a pseudorandom >> number algorithm/generator). And hey - if you really think using RDRAND >> directly is such a good thing, go for it, "...It will still be possible >> to access hardware random number generators, that is, RDRAND, Padlock >> etc., directly by inline assembly or by using OpenSSL from userland, if >> required ..." >> >> Instead of giving the nod to FreeBSD for actually taking steps towards a >> good thing here, we're seeing nonsense articles like this from people >> who don't understand cryptography. >> >> Yes, cryptography is hard and a lot of people don't understand it. Don't >> believe the sensationalism. > > +1 > > I thought the story here was the fact that the FreeBSD project publicly > stated *why* they are not relying solely on these devices due to > more-than-probable NSA/GHQ tampering. I think this will also have > interesting repercussions on hardware vendors using FreeBSD, although > those discussions will most likely happen in private ;) > > > -pete > > > -- > Pete Wright > pete at nomadlogic.org > twitter => @nomadlogicLA I was surprised there wasn't a claim of an ultrasonic entropy source in this latest bit from ars ! --- Mark with ear muffs ! From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Dec 11 18:24:19 2013 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:24:19 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] and on pkgs and licenses Message-ID: <52A8F423.30609@ceetonetechnology.com> I'll jump in if the thread starts to moves... but assume some of you saw this: http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2013/12/09/12934.html Now, to almost directly quote one OBSD dev, if LICENSE isn't defined in the port's Makefile, it's a bug. While from what I've been told, it's a recent addition to the FreeBSD port Makefile, which explains why it's sparsely used. I had thought it was there for a long time, if not often enough. The idea is this: FreeBSD has made serious progress in removing gpl'd code from base. For users or entities that are building systems, esp ones that are being redistributed in some gpl-conflicting manner, why not make this a bit more explicit with a simple flag during build, pre- or post-install message or as an 'audit' function? And obviously it should apply to pkg systems also. Curious to hear other thoughts... but to be honest, what drove me to this first was about doing a binary audit of systems, i.e., some type of audit system that alerts a user to unauditable binary blobs being installed or existing on a system, certainly a noble and useful function in this era... g, aka "ball of energy" From lists at eitanadler.com Wed Dec 11 18:38:46 2013 From: lists at eitanadler.com (Eitan Adler) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:38:46 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] and on pkgs and licenses In-Reply-To: <52A8F423.30609@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <52A8F423.30609@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 6:24 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > I'll jump in if the thread starts to moves... but assume some of you saw > this: > > http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2013/12/09/12934.html > > Now, to almost directly quote one OBSD dev, if LICENSE isn't defined in > the port's Makefile, it's a bug. > > While from what I've been told, it's a recent addition to the FreeBSD > port Makefile, which explains why it's sparsely used. I had thought it > was there for a long time, if not often enough. I used the words "relatively recent". > The idea is this: FreeBSD has made serious progress in removing gpl'd > code from base. For users or entities that are building systems, esp > ones that are being redistributed in some gpl-conflicting manner, why > not make this a bit more explicit with a simple flag during build, pre- > or post-install message or as an 'audit' function? You can set various make(1) variables to control licenses. I do not know if pkg has similar functionality. (see Mk/bsd.license.mk) > And obviously it should apply to pkg systems also. > > Curious to hear other thoughts... but to be honest, what drove me to > this first was about doing a binary audit of systems, i.e., some type of > audit system that alerts a user to unauditable binary blobs being > installed or existing on a system, certainly a noble and useful function > in this era... You are not the only one involved in this effort. There is a 'standard' called SPDX which is supposed to help - although it seems primarily commercial for now. In addition this has come up multiple times on license-discuss at opensource.org FreeBSD specific things of course, are always appreciated. From gnn at neville-neil.com Wed Dec 11 18:52:05 2013 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:52:05 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ARM NICs In-Reply-To: <52A8E238.7010901@nomadlogic.org> References: <52A8A985.7010805@nomadlogic.org> <52A8C78A.1040003@nomadlogic.org> <52A8CAAE.4030907@ceetonetechnology.com> <52A8DCA6.9010303@neville-neil.com> <52A8E238.7010901@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <52A8FAA5.6050600@neville-neil.com> On 12/11/13 17:07, Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 12/11/13 13:44, George Neville-Neil wrote: >> On 12/11/13 15:27, George Rosamond wrote: >>> Pete Wright: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/11/13 10:59, Mikel King wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Pete Wright wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey guys - anyone know of any ARM boards that have more than on NIC? >>>>>> Checked around quickly last night and didn't find anything too promising. >>>>>> >>>>>> my plan is to run a super low-power board to act as a NAT device for >>>>>> some R&D stuff i'm doing. figure it'd be a good chance to test out >>>>>> FreeBSD's evolving ARM support. >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers! >>>>>> -pete >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Pete Wright >>>>>> pete at nomadlogic.org >>>>>> twitter => @nomadlogicLA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hey Pete, >>>>> >>>>> Would this work? >>>>> >>>>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/99-arm-based-pc-runs-either-ubuntu-or-android/ >>>>> >>>> oh snap i forgot about that bad-boy. that may be just the thing i'm >>>> looking for. looks like the board is driven by this: >>>> >>>> Freescale i.MX6 single / dual / quad core Cortex-A9 MPCore, up to 1.2GHz >>>> >>>> >>>> there seems to be initial support of a xylinx SOC using the cortex-a9 here: >>>> >>>> http://utilite-computer.com/web/utilite-specifications >>>> >>>> this may be a winner...def seems like a fun bit of kit to hack on :) >>> >>> maybe ping the FreeBSD arm@ list and see who's working on it.. .and >>> check the most recent crochet for support. >>> >>> I'm *really* curious to know which hardware the pfSense people are >>> working on... >>> >> >> BTW At the moment I'm not working on any multi Ethernet ARM boards, just >> Pi and BBB. If such things come to exist I"ll definitely look at them >> though. >> > > thanks for the heads up George! I think I am going to purchase one of > these systems and see how it goes from there: > > > http://utilite-computer.com/web/utilite-specifications > That board ought to work soonish. ganbold@ is working on a similar board, but with only one Ethernet. Best, George From justin at shiningsilence.com Thu Dec 12 22:28:48 2013 From: justin at shiningsilence.com (Justin Sherrill) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 22:28:48 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] and on pkgs and licenses In-Reply-To: <52A8F423.30609@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <52A8F423.30609@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 6:24 PM, George Rosamond < george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote: > I'll jump in if the thread starts to moves... but assume some of you saw > this: > > http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2013/12/09/12934.html > > Now, to almost directly quote one OBSD dev, if LICENSE isn't defined in > the port's Makefile, it's a bug. > I know licenses are defined in pkgsrc for every package, for ACCEPTABLE_LICENSES, and it sounds like the data is there for OpenBSD ports - how complete is it for FreeBSD? There's two halves for this idea - one half is tracking down the licenses in all packages, and the other half is adding the report functionality. 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Regarding Whonix, it would be outrageous if adrelanos used pfSense for the gateway. I do appreciate his concerns about repository security. However, pfSense updates discretely from a relatively small group of developers, and I gather that new versions are thoroughly vetted before release. From jared at thegridsource.com Wed Dec 18 11:53:10 2013 From: jared at thegridsource.com (Jared Davenport) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 11:53:10 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] APU Message-ID: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey everyone, first time posting here! I'm evaluating the APU from PC Engines. The specs for this are here: http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm. The board also has a single 16gb m-SATA SSD. OpenBSD dmesgd: http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2504 I'm having trouble getting FreeBSD 10-RC2 (amd64 & i386) to boot, using memstick installer on a USB drive. Here are modifications I made to the installer image (the board has no VGA): /boot/loader.conf - -> http://pastebin.com/QVZszqMS /etc/ttys - -> http://pastebin.com/uXdXbZ02 FreeBSD 10-RC2 boot message: - -> http://pastebin.com/H9402e7j The system stops responding after the last line, with no further messages. Oddly, pfSense is booting fine, using pfSense-memstick-serial-2.1-RELEASE-amd64.img: - -> http://pastebin.com/KHyyQrCm So far, it's only FreeBSD that's having this problem. Any suggestions? Bonus pic! http://i.imgur.com/QX63jrx.jpg (ignore the strange power connector) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSsdLzAAoJEHIvhc7WejMgMFMH/iSzycsps/jx0eLjc3AnlKbu 6pC46kk/UCmq06w/asB4jyZU5fImHXSmJjmaxU/AgWZ8jl9zgoKdou3sT9HB7Osp T/L6CDuxRbOMLkHJCXBbyCNowy8hLAoNHFBZ9KGFYNj+5u/9ncGjrV6w3YGz7sqc hWOQCMLFWU5kSp+W3aXmm4ugc6hVhuSsk2Z2eC8ez6MRHhRKF1s3j279b+FeDgYy J27eBSjbCeFAts8L5f4IBc4gxEo9/iTaNablAv8rhOHPxNCjLOObTfU3upjUAG8F 2Cf6AZjQOd9HPUyXvTbhSH+rn2u/4iiPuc6APYwISXx4XcwZCHYWJSVOS3mOQHE= =oTlq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jpb at jimby.name Wed Dec 18 21:11:06 2013 From: jpb at jimby.name (Jim B.) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 21:11:06 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> Message-ID: <20131219021106.GA9319@jimby.name> * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 12:20]: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey everyone, first time posting here! > > I'm evaluating the APU from PC Engines. The specs for this are here: > http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm. The board also has a single 16gb > m-SATA SSD. > > OpenBSD dmesgd: http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2504 > > I'm having trouble getting FreeBSD 10-RC2 (amd64 & i386) to boot, > using memstick installer on a USB drive. Here are modifications I made > to the installer image (the board has no VGA): > > /boot/loader.conf > - -> http://pastebin.com/QVZszqMS > > /etc/ttys > - -> http://pastebin.com/uXdXbZ02 > > FreeBSD 10-RC2 boot message: > - -> http://pastebin.com/H9402e7j > > The system stops responding after the last line, with no further > messages. Oddly, pfSense is booting fine, using > pfSense-memstick-serial-2.1-RELEASE-amd64.img: > - -> http://pastebin.com/KHyyQrCm > > So far, it's only FreeBSD that's having this problem. Any suggestions? > > Bonus pic! http://i.imgur.com/QX63jrx.jpg (ignore the strange power > connector) Hello Jared, Try adding these lines to the loader.conf file. verbose_loading="YES" # Set to YES for verbose loader output boot_verbose="-v" # -v: Causes extra debugging information to be printed Also, try getting to a shell in your pfsense system and running dmesg. You might be able to compare the output you have with the pfsense dmesg and find some differences. Cheers, Jim B. From jared at thegridsource.com Wed Dec 18 22:33:13 2013 From: jared at thegridsource.com (Jared Davenport) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 22:33:13 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <20131219021106.GA9319@jimby.name> References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> <20131219021106.GA9319@jimby.name> Message-ID: <52B268F9.8050002@thegridsource.com> On 12/18/2013 09:11 PM, Jim B. wrote: > * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 12:20]: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hey everyone, first time posting here! >> >> I'm evaluating the APU from PC Engines. The specs for this are here: >> http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm. The board also has a single 16gb >> m-SATA SSD. >> >> OpenBSD dmesgd: http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2504 >> >> I'm having trouble getting FreeBSD 10-RC2 (amd64 & i386) to boot, >> using memstick installer on a USB drive. Here are modifications I made >> to the installer image (the board has no VGA): >> >> /boot/loader.conf >> - -> http://pastebin.com/QVZszqMS >> >> /etc/ttys >> - -> http://pastebin.com/uXdXbZ02 >> >> FreeBSD 10-RC2 boot message: >> - -> http://pastebin.com/H9402e7j >> >> The system stops responding after the last line, with no further >> messages. Oddly, pfSense is booting fine, using >> pfSense-memstick-serial-2.1-RELEASE-amd64.img: >> - -> http://pastebin.com/KHyyQrCm >> >> So far, it's only FreeBSD that's having this problem. Any suggestions? >> >> Bonus pic! http://i.imgur.com/QX63jrx.jpg (ignore the strange power >> connector) > > > Hello Jared, > > Try adding these lines to the loader.conf file. > > verbose_loading="YES" # Set to YES for verbose loader output > boot_verbose="-v" # -v: Causes extra debugging information to be printed > > Also, try getting to a shell in your pfsense system and running dmesg. You > might be able to compare the output you have with the pfsense dmesg and > find some differences. Thanks Jim, I went ahead and added those lines. Here is the verbose output: http://pastebin.com/DUhrt8uP > > Cheers, > Jim B. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 555 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jpb at jimby.name Wed Dec 18 23:45:54 2013 From: jpb at jimby.name (Jim B.) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 23:45:54 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <52B268F9.8050002@thegridsource.com> References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> <20131219021106.GA9319@jimby.name> <52B268F9.8050002@thegridsource.com> Message-ID: <20131219044554.GA9635@jimby.name> * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 22:57]: > > > On 12/18/2013 09:11 PM, Jim B. wrote: > > * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 12:20]: [snip] > Thanks Jim, > > I went ahead and added those lines. Here is the verbose output: > > http://pastebin.com/DUhrt8uP > > Ok, I didn't see anything odd. I would note however that FreeBSD 10-RCx is still undergoing fixes prior to release. pfsense 2.1 (latest stable version) is actually based on FreeBSD 8.3 according to the release notes. If all you want to do is get your board to run FreeBSD, try installing a slightly older version - 9.1, 9.2, or even 8.3 directly. Releases for amd64 are at: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ Best Regards, Jim B. From ike at blackskyresearch.net Thu Dec 19 09:31:25 2013 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:31:25 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] APU Message-ID: <201312191431.rBJEVPFI015967@rs101.luxsci.com> On December 18, 2013 10:33:13 PM EST, Jared Davenport wrote: > > > On 12/18/2013 09:11 PM, Jim B. wrote: >> * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 12:20]: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Hey everyone, first time posting here! >>> >>> I'm evaluating the APU from PC Engines. The specs for this are here: >>> http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm. The board also has a single 16gb >>> m-SATA SSD. >>> >>> OpenBSD dmesgd: http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2504 >>> >>> I'm having trouble getting FreeBSD 10-RC2 (amd64 & i386) to boot, >>> using memstick installer on a USB drive. Here are modifications I made >>> to the installer image (the board has no VGA): >>> >>> /boot/loader.conf >>> - -> http://pastebin.com/QVZszqMS >>> >>> /etc/ttys >>> - -> http://pastebin.com/uXdXbZ02 >>> >>> FreeBSD 10-RC2 boot message: >>> - -> http://pastebin.com/H9402e7j >>> >>> The system stops responding after the last line, with no further >>> messages. Oddly, pfSense is booting fine, using >>> pfSense-memstick-serial-2.1-RELEASE-amd64.img: >>> - -> http://pastebin.com/KHyyQrCm >>> >>> So far, it's only FreeBSD that's having this problem. Any suggestions? >>> >>> Bonus pic! http://i.imgur.com/QX63jrx.jpg (ignore the strange power >>> connector) >> >> >> Hello Jared, >> >> Try adding these lines to the loader.conf file. >> verbose_loading="YES" # Set to YES for verbose loader >> output >> boot_verbose="-v" # -v: Causes extra debugging >> information to be printed >> >> Also, try getting to a shell in your pfsense system and running dmesg. You >> might be able to compare the output you have with the pfsense dmesg and >> find some differences. > > Thanks Jim, > > I went ahead and added those lines. Here is the verbose output: > > http://pastebin.com/DUhrt8uP > > > >> >> Cheers, >> Jim B. This has got me stumped, but: my gut reaction is that this could be a GPT/MBR issue, (e.g. perhaps the boot media has the disks formatted GPT, and the board will still only deal with MBR?) I know the PFSense stuff is MBR all around, to maintain wide compatibility with various hardwares. Did 10.x move the installer media to GPT? (/me raises my eyebrow) -- Also, I'm officially jealous that you've snagged one of these, I'm looking foreword to hearing real-world reports, particularly on weather the gigabit nics perform as expected :) Rocket- .ike From gjb at FreeBSD.org Thu Dec 19 09:36:25 2013 From: gjb at FreeBSD.org (Glen Barber) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 09:36:25 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <201312191431.rBJEVPFI015967@rs101.luxsci.com> References: <201312191431.rBJEVPFI015967@rs101.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <20131219143625.GI1824@glenbarber.us> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 02:31:25PM +0000, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > This has got me stumped, but: my gut reaction is that this could be a > GPT/MBR issue, (e.g. perhaps the boot media has the disks formatted GPT, and > the board will still only deal with MBR?) I know the PFSense stuff is MBR > all around, to maintain wide compatibility with various hardwares. > > Did 10.x move the installer media to GPT? (/me raises my eyebrow) > The USB installer has been GPT since 9.0. I am working on MBR-based USB installer, but it will not be available for 10.0-RELEASE. Glen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 834 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ike at blackskyresearch.net Thu Dec 19 09:42:52 2013 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:42:52 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] APU Message-ID: <201312191442.rBJEgqkF031958@rs101.luxsci.com> Glen could I ask for a clarification: On December 19, 2013 09:36:25 AM EST, Glen Barber wrote: > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 02:31:25PM +0000, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: >> This has got me stumped, but: my gut reaction is that this could be a >> GPT/MBR issue, (e.g. perhaps the boot media has the disks formatted GPT, and >> the board will still only deal with MBR?) I know the PFSense stuff is MBR >> all around, to maintain wide compatibility with various hardwares. >> >> Did 10.x move the installer media to GPT? (/me raises my eyebrow) >> > > The USB installer has been GPT since 9.0. It has *installed* GPT, but the USB install media itself is MBR, no? > > I am working on MBR-based USB installer, but it will not be available > for 10.0-RELEASE. > > Glen Best, .ike From gjb at FreeBSD.org Thu Dec 19 09:49:28 2013 From: gjb at FreeBSD.org (Glen Barber) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 09:49:28 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <201312191442.rBJEgqkF031958@rs101.luxsci.com> References: <201312191442.rBJEgqkF031958@rs101.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <20131219144928.GJ1824@glenbarber.us> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 02:42:52PM +0000, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > > Glen could I ask for a clarification: > > On December 19, 2013 09:36:25 AM EST, Glen Barber wrote: > > >On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 02:31:25PM +0000, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > >>This has got me stumped, but: my gut reaction is that this could be a > >>GPT/MBR issue, (e.g. perhaps the boot media has the disks formatted GPT, and > >>the board will still only deal with MBR?) I know the PFSense stuff is MBR > >>all around, to maintain wide compatibility with various hardwares. > >> > >>Did 10.x move the installer media to GPT? (/me raises my eyebrow) > >> > > > >The USB installer has been GPT since 9.0. > > It has *installed* GPT, but the USB install media itself is MBR, no? > No. Glen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would note however that > FreeBSD 10-RCx is still undergoing fixes prior to release. > > pfsense 2.1 (latest stable version) is actually based on FreeBSD 8.3 > according to the release notes. > > If all you want to do is get your board to run FreeBSD, try installing > a slightly older version - 9.1, 9.2, or even 8.3 directly. > > Releases for amd64 are at: > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ Good call on that. I tried the same configuration, with FreeBSD 8.4, and it worked! FreeBSD 8.4 dmesgd: http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2505 FreeBSD 9.2 and FreeBSD 10 were a no-go. I'm still not sure why. > > Best Regards, > Jim B. > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would note however that FreeBSD >> 10-RCx is still undergoing fixes prior to release. >> >> pfsense 2.1 (latest stable version) is actually based on FreeBSD >> 8.3 according to the release notes. >> >> If all you want to do is get your board to run FreeBSD, try >> installing a slightly older version - 9.1, 9.2, or even 8.3 >> directly. >> >> Releases for amd64 are at: >> >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ > > Good call on that. I tried the same configuration, with FreeBSD > 8.4, and it worked! > > FreeBSD 8.4 dmesgd: > http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2505 > Thanks for posting JD! > FreeBSD 9.2 and FreeBSD 10 were a no-go. I'm still not sure why. Well, the obvious to me would be using mbr v gpt. What does the BIOS look like? That could very much matter. also, for troubleshooting, I believe that these two should help in the /etc/rc.conf: rc_debug="YES" rc_info="YES" I need to get my hands on one or more of these too... g From jared at thegridsource.com Thu Dec 19 11:34:28 2013 From: jared at thegridsource.com (Jared Davenport) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:34:28 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <52B314B3.4020901@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> <20131219021106.GA9319@jimby.name> <52B268F9.8050002@thegridsource.com> <20131219044554.GA9635@jimby.name> <52B312DC.80308@thegridsource.com> <52B314B3.4020901@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <52B32014.5020202@thegridsource.com> On 12/19/2013 10:45 AM, George Rosamond wrote: > Jared Davenport: >> >> >> On 12/18/2013 11:45 PM, Jim B. wrote: >>> * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 22:57]: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/18/2013 09:11 PM, Jim B. wrote: >>>>> * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 >>>>> 12:20]: >>> [snip] >>>> Thanks Jim, >>>> >>>> I went ahead and added those lines. Here is the verbose >>>> output: >>>> >>>> http://pastebin.com/DUhrt8uP >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Ok, I didn't see anything odd. I would note however that FreeBSD >>> 10-RCx is still undergoing fixes prior to release. >>> >>> pfsense 2.1 (latest stable version) is actually based on FreeBSD >>> 8.3 according to the release notes. >>> >>> If all you want to do is get your board to run FreeBSD, try >>> installing a slightly older version - 9.1, 9.2, or even 8.3 >>> directly. >>> >>> Releases for amd64 are at: >>> >>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ >> >> Good call on that. I tried the same configuration, with FreeBSD >> 8.4, and it worked! >> >> FreeBSD 8.4 dmesgd: >> http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2505 >> > > Thanks for posting JD! > >> FreeBSD 9.2 and FreeBSD 10 were a no-go. I'm still not sure why. > > Well, the obvious to me would be using mbr v gpt. > > What does the BIOS look like? That could very much matter. That very well could be it. The BIOS says it's coreboot 2.08.00, specifically, coreboot-EDK_2.08.00_20130410_221-1434-g871c820-dirty I've added the BIOS message here: http://pastebin.com/111eTfZm > > also, for troubleshooting, I believe that these two should help in the > /etc/rc.conf: > > rc_debug="YES" > rc_info="YES" > > I need to get my hands on one or more of these too... > > g > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://www.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 23:53:11 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <52B32014.5020202@thegridsource.com> References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> <20131219021106.GA9319@jimby.name> <52B268F9.8050002@thegridsource.com> <20131219044554.GA9635@jimby.name> <52B312DC.80308@thegridsource.com> <52B314B3.4020901@ceetonetechnology.com> <52B32014.5020202@thegridsource.com> Message-ID: <20131220045311.GB12576@jimby.name> * Jared Davenport [2013-12-19 12:00]: > > > On 12/19/2013 10:45 AM, George Rosamond wrote: > > Jared Davenport: > >> > >> > >> On 12/18/2013 11:45 PM, Jim B. wrote: > >>> * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 22:57]: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 12/18/2013 09:11 PM, Jim B. wrote: > >>>>> * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 > >>>>> 12:20]: > >>> [snip] > >>>> Thanks Jim, > >>>> > >>>> I went ahead and added those lines. Here is the verbose > >>>> output: > >>>> > >>>> http://pastebin.com/DUhrt8uP > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Ok, I didn't see anything odd. I would note however that FreeBSD > >>> 10-RCx is still undergoing fixes prior to release. > >>> > >>> pfsense 2.1 (latest stable version) is actually based on FreeBSD > >>> 8.3 according to the release notes. > >>> > >>> If all you want to do is get your board to run FreeBSD, try > >>> installing a slightly older version - 9.1, 9.2, or even 8.3 > >>> directly. > >>> > >>> Releases for amd64 are at: > >>> > >>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ > >> > >> Good call on that. I tried the same configuration, with FreeBSD > >> 8.4, and it worked! > >> > >> FreeBSD 8.4 dmesgd: > >> http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2505 > >> > > > > Thanks for posting JD! > > > >> FreeBSD 9.2 and FreeBSD 10 were a no-go. I'm still not sure why. > > > > Well, the obvious to me would be using mbr v gpt. > > > > What does the BIOS look like? That could very much matter. > > That very well could be it. The BIOS says it's coreboot 2.08.00, > specifically, coreboot-EDK_2.08.00_20130410_221-1434-g871c820-dirty > > I've added the BIOS message here: http://pastebin.com/111eTfZm > > > > > also, for troubleshooting, I believe that these two should help in the > > /etc/rc.conf: > > > > rc_debug="YES" > > rc_info="YES" > > > > I need to get my hands on one or more of these too... > > > > g Jared, You know, the kernel devs love info like this. I would create a ticket on the FreeBSD bug site. Here's a case where the device worked at one point, but stopped working at another point in the kernel development tree. >From what I've seen so far, the device is booting, but it's getting hung on the kernel device probe routines for pci devices. FreeBSD prides itself on being able to have a continuous, stable upgrade path from release to release. It's not always perfect but we do try more that some other OSes. Anyway, happy to hear you were able to get 8.4 working. There's hope yet! Best Regards, Jim B. From bcallah at devio.us Sat Dec 21 16:34:23 2013 From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 16:34:23 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] The CFP for NYCBSDCon may be closed but... Message-ID: <52B6095F.7010601@devio.us> The CFE is still open until January 15! http://www.nycbsdcon.org/2014/exposes.html If you have a BSD-based project that you want to show off to a broader audience, definitely consider submitting an expose proposal. This is also a really good way to get your feet wet in presenting. Mail your idea to cfp AT nycbsdcon DOT org ~Brian From jpb at jimby.name Sun Dec 22 18:30:56 2013 From: jpb at jimby.name (Jim B.) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 18:30:56 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] BSDP LabKit - Help Needed Message-ID: <20131222233056.GA20529@jimby.name> Hello All, Work towards the BSD Professional Exam continues, and if you have some time to help out, you can make a real difference. We now have an external USB drive image for a BSDP Lab Kit. The 8GB image can be dd'ed onto an external hard drive (>25 GB recommended), and if booted from the external drive will load a standalone, customized PCBSD image with Aqemu, Firefox, and a terminal program. There are 4 preconfigured Virtual Machines that can be run from Aqemu. I'd like to get feedback from a fair number of people on this list with different hardware (AMD 64bit, 4GB minimum, and USB 2.0 or 3.0) to see if it performs well with a variety of hardware. If you are interested, please reply off list. Let me know what kind of hardware you have and I'll send you an email with download link. (Think twice here - you'll need to download 8GB to get the image. :-) If we can get 15 or 20 responses, it will help us iron out any bugs. Thanks and Best Regards, Jim B. BSDCG From jhb at freebsd.org Mon Dec 23 14:12:40 2013 From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 14:12:40 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] APU In-Reply-To: <20131220045311.GB12576@jimby.name> References: <52B1D2F6.5010508@thegridsource.com> <52B32014.5020202@thegridsource.com> <20131220045311.GB12576@jimby.name> Message-ID: <201312231412.40553.jhb@freebsd.org> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 11:53:11 pm Jim B. wrote: > * Jared Davenport [2013-12-19 12:00]: > > > > > > On 12/19/2013 10:45 AM, George Rosamond wrote: > > > Jared Davenport: > > >> > > >> > > >> On 12/18/2013 11:45 PM, Jim B. wrote: > > >>> * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 22:57]: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On 12/18/2013 09:11 PM, Jim B. wrote: > > >>>>> * Jared Davenport [2013-12-18 > > >>>>> 12:20]: > > >>> [snip] > > >>>> Thanks Jim, > > >>>> > > >>>> I went ahead and added those lines. Here is the verbose > > >>>> output: > > >>>> > > >>>> http://pastebin.com/DUhrt8uP > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Ok, I didn't see anything odd. I would note however that FreeBSD > > >>> 10-RCx is still undergoing fixes prior to release. > > >>> > > >>> pfsense 2.1 (latest stable version) is actually based on FreeBSD > > >>> 8.3 according to the release notes. > > >>> > > >>> If all you want to do is get your board to run FreeBSD, try > > >>> installing a slightly older version - 9.1, 9.2, or even 8.3 > > >>> directly. > > >>> > > >>> Releases for amd64 are at: > > >>> > > >>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ > > >> > > >> Good call on that. I tried the same configuration, with FreeBSD > > >> 8.4, and it worked! > > >> > > >> FreeBSD 8.4 dmesgd: > > >> http://www.nycbug.org/?action=dmesgd&dmesgid=2505 > > >> > > > > > > Thanks for posting JD! > > > > > >> FreeBSD 9.2 and FreeBSD 10 were a no-go. I'm still not sure why. > > > > > > Well, the obvious to me would be using mbr v gpt. > > > > > > What does the BIOS look like? That could very much matter. > > > > That very well could be it. The BIOS says it's coreboot 2.08.00, > > specifically, coreboot-EDK_2.08.00_20130410_221-1434-g871c820-dirty > > > > I've added the BIOS message here: http://pastebin.com/111eTfZm > > > > > > > > also, for troubleshooting, I believe that these two should help in the > > > /etc/rc.conf: > > > > > > rc_debug="YES" > > > rc_info="YES" > > > > > > I need to get my hands on one or more of these too... > > > > > > g > > Jared, > You know, the kernel devs love info like this. I would create a ticket on > the FreeBSD bug site. Here's a case where the device worked at one point, > but stopped working at another point in the kernel development tree. > > From what I've seen so far, the device is booting, but it's getting > hung on the kernel device probe routines for pci devices. > > FreeBSD prides itself on being able to have a continuous, stable upgrade > path from release to release. It's not always perfect but we do try more > that some other OSes. > > Anyway, happy to hear you were able to get 8.4 working. There's hope yet! Looks like it is related to my NEW_PCIB changes and your BIOS is awfully busted. It probably wiped out the mapping for your framebuffer when it hangs. Can you get the output of 'devinfo -rv' and 'devinfo -u' from 8.4? -- John Baldwin From venture37 at gmail.com Sun Dec 29 07:48:57 2013 From: venture37 at gmail.com (Sevan / Venture37) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 16:48:57 +0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Hotels recommendations for con in February Message-ID: <52C01A39.1060305@gmail.com> Hi Guys, I'm planning on attending the con in February & was hoping to get some recommendations on where to stay. Any pointers much appreciated. Sevan From spork at bway.net Sun Dec 29 14:45:43 2013 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 14:45:43 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Hotels recommendations for con in February In-Reply-To: <52C01A39.1060305@gmail.com> References: <52C01A39.1060305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <96523256-68F0-4512-BDD6-8E99D0976AB3@bway.net> I don't know if it still holds true, but the financial district used to be quite a ghost town on the weekends, and a ton of very nice hotels were very, very cheap on Priceline - I assume occupancy is low on the weekend and they all dump a bunch of inventory there. Charles On Dec 29, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: > Hi Guys, > I'm planning on attending the con in February & was hoping to get some recommendations on where to stay. > Any pointers much appreciated. > > > Sevan > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://www.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sun Dec 29 14:54:04 2013 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 14:54:04 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Hotels recommendations for con in February In-Reply-To: <96523256-68F0-4512-BDD6-8E99D0976AB3@bway.net> References: <52C01A39.1060305@gmail.com> <96523256-68F0-4512-BDD6-8E99D0976AB3@bway.net> Message-ID: <52C07DDC.7010805@ceetonetechnology.com> Charles Sprickman: > I don't know if it still holds true, but the financial district used > to be quite a ghost town on the weekends, and a ton of very nice yeah, it was... in 1995! > hotels were very, very cheap on Priceline - I assume occupancy is low > on the weekend and they all dump a bunch of inventory there. > That's likely true. Also try St Mark's Hotel... I think it's still $140 a night, but cash only. But a room not facing the street is apparently preferable. If anyone can offer space to out-of-town guests, this is your chance... g From raulcuza at gmail.com Mon Dec 30 09:34:39 2013 From: raulcuza at gmail.com (Raul Cuza) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 09:34:39 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Hotels recommendations for con in February In-Reply-To: <52C07DDC.7010805@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <52C01A39.1060305@gmail.com> <96523256-68F0-4512-BDD6-8E99D0976AB3@bway.net> <52C07DDC.7010805@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:54 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > Charles Sprickman: >> I don't know if it still holds true, but the financial district used >> to be quite a ghost town on the weekends, and a ton of very nice > > yeah, it was... in 1995! > >> hotels were very, very cheap on Priceline - I assume occupancy is low >> on the weekend and they all dump a bunch of inventory there. >> > > That's likely true. > > Also try St Mark's Hotel... I think it's still $140 a night, but cash > only. But a room not facing the street is apparently preferable. > > If anyone can offer space to out-of-town guests, this is your chance... > > g I stayed at the Hampton Inn Manhattan-Seaport-Financial District, 320 Pearl St, New York, NY 10038, a few years ago when my son was born and the hospital found him too cute to let go right away. I found it inexpensive and very comfortable. Please take this recommendation with a grain of salt though because making the transition to being a parent apparently wreaks havoc on one's judgement. Ra?l From ike at blackskyresearch.net Mon Dec 30 12:16:14 2013 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:16:14 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD svn anonymous checkout Message-ID: <201312301716.rBUHGEFb014803@rs102.luxsci.com> Hi All, I'm having a hard time understanding the suggested path for FreeBSD src downloads using svn. I've been clawing through the developers handbook, but, the examples there are all oriented around developers who have commit bits, (svn+ssh). I've been attempting to adapt the examples for "anonymous" svn checkout, to no avail. -- What I'm trying to do: use svn proper, to fetch (and track) copies of REL(9.2), 10.x and 11.x branches. Any urls or suggestions would be much appreciated! Best, .ike From gjb at FreeBSD.org Mon Dec 30 12:22:12 2013 From: gjb at FreeBSD.org (Glen Barber) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 12:22:12 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD svn anonymous checkout In-Reply-To: <201312301716.rBUHGEFb014803@rs102.luxsci.com> References: <201312301716.rBUHGEFb014803@rs102.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <20131230172212.GD1748@glenbarber.us> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 05:16:14PM +0000, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm having a hard time understanding the suggested path for FreeBSD src > downloads using svn. > > I've been clawing through the developers handbook, but, the examples there > are all oriented around developers who have commit bits, (svn+ssh). I've > been attempting to adapt the examples for "anonymous" svn checkout, to no > avail. > > -- > What I'm trying to do: use svn proper, to fetch (and track) copies of > REL(9.2), 10.x and 11.x branches. > > Any urls or suggestions would be much appreciated! > The current list of mirrors is here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/svn-mirrors.html Glen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 834 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ike at blackskyresearch.net Mon Dec 30 12:56:29 2013 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:56:29 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] solved: Re: FreeBSD svn anonymous checkout Message-ID: <201312301756.rBUHuTrM021704@rs103.luxsci.com> On December 30, 2013 12:22:12 PM EST, Glen Barber wrote: > On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 05:16:14PM +0000, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I'm having a hard time understanding the suggested path for FreeBSD src >> downloads using svn. >> >> I've been clawing through the developers handbook, but, the examples there >> are all oriented around developers who have commit bits, (svn+ssh). I've >> been attempting to adapt the examples for "anonymous" svn checkout, to no >> avail. >> >> -- >> What I'm trying to do: use svn proper, to fetch (and track) copies of >> REL(9.2), 10.x and 11.x branches. >> >> Any urls or suggestions would be much appreciated! >> > > The current list of mirrors is here: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/svn-mirrors.html > > Glen Thanks Glen, but that didn't address my question. I certainly found that mirrors url while reading these svn docs, http://www5.us.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/svn.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/committers-guide/subversion-primer.html My problem was that checkouts were simply not working. -- Thankfully, I figured out that I had a typo generated somewhere between my brain and the keyboard. These work great: # svn checkout https://svn0.us-east.FreeBSD.org/base/release/9.2.0 ./9.2.0-RELEASE # svn checkout https://svn0.us-east.FreeBSD.org/base/stable/10 ./10-STABLE # svn checkout https://svn0.us-east.FreeBSD.org/base/head ./11-CURRENT I had made a typo and put a '.' in my path, #bad# svn checkout https://svn0.us-east.FreeBSD.org/base.release/9.2.0 ./9.2.0-RELEASE (likely was a copy/paste error from the docs pages... my bad.) Best, .ike From ericshane at eradman.com Tue Dec 31 11:20:55 2013 From: ericshane at eradman.com (Eric Radman) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:20:55 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Hotels recommendations for con in February In-Reply-To: <52C01A39.1060305@gmail.com> References: <52C01A39.1060305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131231162055.GB23647@vm.eradman.com> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 04:48:57PM +0400, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: > Hi Guys, > I'm planning on attending the con in February & was hoping to get some > recommendations on where to stay. > Any pointers much appreciated. A coworker of mine recommended the "The Milford" (http://www.themilford.com/). If you book in advance it's around $150 + taxes. From 44 & 8th it's a relatively easy trip on the A train. Eric From njt at ayvali.org Tue Dec 31 13:31:53 2013 From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:31:53 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] FreeBSD svn anonymous checkout In-Reply-To: <201312301716.rBUHGEFb014803@rs102.luxsci.com> References: <201312301716.rBUHGEFb014803@rs102.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <20131231183153.GO6445@zaph.org> * Isaac (.ike) Levy [2013-12-30 17:16:14+0000]: > What I'm trying to do: use svn proper, to fetch (and track) copies of > REL(9.2), 10.x and 11.x branches. > > Any urls or suggestions would be much appreciated! Here's what I used when source upgrading to 9.2.0: svn co https://svn0.us-east.FreeBSD.org/base/releng/9.2 Other urls that might be helpful: svn co https://svn0.us-east.FreeBSD.org/base/stable/10 svn co https://svn0.us-east.FreeBSD.org/base/releng/10.0 svn co https://svn0.us-east.FreeBSD.org/base/head See also this page: svn cat https://svn0.us-east.FreeBSD.org/base/ROADMAP.txt If you just want to look around, "svn ls" is very helpful, i.e. svn ls https://svn0.us-east.FreeBSD.org/base/ As Glen mentioned elsewhere in this thread, there are mirror-sites that you can use other than us-east, namely one on the west coast and in the EU. hth, Thomas From venture37 at gmail.com Tue Dec 31 17:59:20 2013 From: venture37 at gmail.com (Sevan / Venture37) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2014 02:59:20 +0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Hotels recommendations for con in February In-Reply-To: <20131231162055.GB23647@vm.eradman.com> References: <52C01A39.1060305@gmail.com> <20131231162055.GB23647@vm.eradman.com> Message-ID: <52C34C48.9090107@gmail.com> Thanks for the pointers guys, plane & hotel ticket booked :) How do I register for the con?? There's no link on where to register online here: http://www.nycbsdcon.org/2014/registration.html Sevan From jkeen at verizon.net Tue Dec 31 21:30:47 2013 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 21:30:47 -0500 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Hotels recommendations for con in February In-Reply-To: <52C01A39.1060305@gmail.com> References: <52C01A39.1060305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52C37DD7.2020501@verizon.net> On 12/29/13 7:48 AM, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: > Hi Guys, > I'm planning on attending the con in February & was hoping to get some > recommendations on where to stay. > Any pointers much appreciated. > > I'm late to the party, but for this sort of thing I go to booking.com -- which just happens to be a very big supporter of Perl and other OS software! jimk