From raulcuza at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 00:15:18 2013 From: raulcuza at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ra=C3=BAl_Cuza?=) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 00:15:18 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] NYC*BUG Logo Message-ID: <37579369-FAD0-4E75-9949-520B87960347@gmail.com> First off, I'm not cracking open an image editor to offer anything concrete so feel free to delete this now. The two fonts (serif and san-serif) and two colors (black and red) do not feel compatible. As is, they seem to be just hanging out in the same place instead of being different parts of a great thing. Maybe putting a black outline around the red star (not gold mind you as that is a different organization's symbol) might unite the two fonts. Perhaps spacing could improve their relationship. I'm not saying san-serif and serif fonts can't go great together, I just think, as it is, NYC is just playing with *BUG until something better comes along. Ra?l P.S. 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URL: From spork at bway.net Tue Oct 1 02:15:13 2013 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 02:15:13 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] www.nycbug.org homepage In-Reply-To: <524A3A2A.900@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5249B470.1040200@gmail.com> <20130930215438.GD1339@scott1.scottro.net> <524A360E.4010406@ceetonetechnology.com> <524A3A2A.900@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <1C097B54-5F99-47E8-805A-43FFE4410C68@bway.net> On Sep 30, 2013, at 10:57 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > Brian Callahan: >> >> >> On Mon, 30 Sep 2013, George Rosamond wrote: >> >>> Scott Robbins: >>>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 02:16:47PM -0400, Mark Saad wrote: >>>>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Patrick McEvoy >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/30/13 12:54 PM, Okan Demirmen wrote: >>>>>>> For those who think the homepage might need a different look/feel, >>>>>>> please consider voicing your opinion(s) on the following: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=llist >>>>>>> 2) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=slist >>>>>>> 3) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=ylist >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> I like 2. It has the first current topic written out, rather than >>>> making >>>> the user click on the link, and then has links to all the other >>>> things. A >>>> little more space between the announcement of Boris' talk and and the >>>> link >>>> to Moe Nassar's might or might not be nice too. (Note that I have no >>>> graphics knowledge, but that's my impression.) I agree with the spacing suggestions, setting a 2% margin on the hr's that surround the meeting blurb, or perhaps wrapping that blurb in a div and setting a margin on that would give a nice amount of breathing room around the meeting summary. >>> >>> Well Scott, you have shown you have no graphics knowledge, since you >>> agreed with a lot of other people who also have none either ;) >>> >> >> Way to throw all of us under the bus there ;-) > > We have hundreds of people on this list. Maybe six of them know that > white and off-white are different colors, and I don't mean in hex. Our > original logo was done by someone in NYPHP a long time ago. Hey, I lack a comp-sci degree, so I'll share that a personal pet-peeve of mine is grey text. Maybe I have too many crappy lcd panels, but I find it hard to read, especially on a tiny phone screen. > On the other hand, it's nice how our "functionalism" all comes to the > same opinion. I've involved myself in design stuff lately where I'm way out of my league, and I just sit back and watch But the fact that the nycbug site has a layout that's easy to navigate and properly categorizes things is great. I've had to work on sites where for various idiotic reasons important sections are buried three menus deep and if the client is lucky, they eventually take user complaints to heart and we put things back as we originally envisioned while suppressing the "told ya so" reflex. Be thankful you've got the site mapped out in a logical fashion; it's nice to have that off the table so you can focus on the design. > And if we didn't have an Ike, we'd have to create him. He's one of the > few who grasps (or imagines?) the interconnection of engineering and art :) > >> >>> I agree on space between 'next' and upcoming events too. >>> >>> Someone doing the tallying here? >>> >> >> Option 2 is far and away in the lead. > > Cool. > > Other comments on 2, *if* that's the majority? I might be in the minority, I like #2, BUT with the yearly breakdown shown in #3. Not so much because I feel like we need a breakdown by year, but it breaks up the wall of text, making it much more readable. >> >>> Also, Okan dropped in the new logo, which there was pretty strong >>> consensus for a few meetings ago. >>> >> >> Just noticed that. Nice new logo! > > Agree. Does the rest of the logo (New York City... bridge for learning) > match the fonts? It's hard to tell really, it looks like there's either no anti-aliasing on that section or very light anti-aliasing, which makes it hard to tell if the font matches the large fonts that make up the logo (those are anti-aliased). This is subjective though - the fonts that make up the logo and the blurb next to it are all in an image (pre-rendered, if you will), so that looks the same to all visitors, but the rest of the text on the page is rendered by the visitor's browser. So me sitting here looking at it on a Mac with super-smoothed text on the page - I'm going to see a big difference between the body text and the logo blurb text, but someone viewing on Windows with ClearType turned off might see the body text looking quite similar to the blurb text. > Seems like too many fonts going on with page.. .that, I do remember from > my pre-press days, is a no-no. The html of the page is all one font (Verdana, with a fallback to Arial and then Helvetica), but in different sizes and stylings, and I don't really see that as jumbled or mismatched at all - bold is used for titles and headings, italics for subsection headers, all in all cohesive. Being presumptuous here, I'd say what's catching your eye and giving you a gut feeling of something being "off" is the contrast in fonts between the logo/header and the rest of the body text. C and his $0.0145 > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From spork at bway.net Tue Oct 1 02:44:31 2013 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 02:44:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] www.nycbug.org homepage In-Reply-To: <1C097B54-5F99-47E8-805A-43FFE4410C68@bway.net> References: <5249B470.1040200@gmail.com> <20130930215438.GD1339@scott1.scottro.net> <524A360E.4010406@ceetonetechnology.com> <524A3A2A.900@ceetonetechnology.com> <1C097B54-5F99-47E8-805A-43FFE4410C68@bway.net> Message-ID: On Oct 1, 2013, at 2:15 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Sep 30, 2013, at 10:57 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > >> Brian Callahan: >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 30 Sep 2013, George Rosamond wrote: >>> >>>> Scott Robbins: >>>>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 02:16:47PM -0400, Mark Saad wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Patrick McEvoy >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/30/13 12:54 PM, Okan Demirmen wrote: >>>>>>>> For those who think the homepage might need a different look/feel, >>>>>>>> please consider voicing your opinion(s) on the following: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=llist >>>>>>>> 2) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=slist >>>>>>>> 3) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=ylist >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I like 2. It has the first current topic written out, rather than >>>>> making >>>>> the user click on the link, and then has links to all the other >>>>> things. A >>>>> little more space between the announcement of Boris' talk and and the >>>>> link >>>>> to Moe Nassar's might or might not be nice too. (Note that I have no >>>>> graphics knowledge, but that's my impression.) > > I agree with the spacing suggestions, setting a 2% margin on the > hr's that surround the meeting blurb, or perhaps wrapping that blurb > in a div and setting a margin on that would give a nice amount of > breathing room around the meeting summary. > >>>> >>>> Well Scott, you have shown you have no graphics knowledge, since you >>>> agreed with a lot of other people who also have none either ;) >>>> >>> >>> Way to throw all of us under the bus there ;-) >> >> We have hundreds of people on this list. Maybe six of them know that >> white and off-white are different colors, and I don't mean in hex. Our >> original logo was done by someone in NYPHP a long time ago. > > Hey, I lack a comp-sci degree, so I'll share that a personal > pet-peeve of mine is grey text. Maybe I have too many crappy lcd > panels, but I find it hard to read, especially on a tiny phone > screen. > >> On the other hand, it's nice how our "functionalism" all comes to the >> same opinion. > > I've involved myself in design stuff lately where I'm way out of my > league, and I just sit back and watch But the fact that the nycbug > site has a layout that's easy to navigate and properly categorizes > things is great. I've had to work on sites where for various > idiotic reasons important sections are buried three menus deep and > if the client is lucky, they eventually take user complaints to > heart and we put things back as we originally envisioned while > suppressing the "told ya so" reflex. Be thankful you've got the > site mapped out in a logical fashion; it's nice to have that off the > table so you can focus on the design. > >> And if we didn't have an Ike, we'd have to create him. He's one of the >> few who grasps (or imagines?) the interconnection of engineering and art :) >> >>> >>>> I agree on space between 'next' and upcoming events too. >>>> >>>> Someone doing the tallying here? >>>> >>> >>> Option 2 is far and away in the lead. >> >> Cool. >> >> Other comments on 2, *if* that's the majority? > > I might be in the minority, I like #2, BUT with the yearly breakdown > shown in #3. Not so much because I feel like we need a breakdown by > year, but it breaks up the wall of text, making it much more > readable. > >>> >>>> Also, Okan dropped in the new logo, which there was pretty strong >>>> consensus for a few meetings ago. >>>> >>> >>> Just noticed that. Nice new logo! >> >> Agree. Does the rest of the logo (New York City... bridge for learning) >> match the fonts? > > It's hard to tell really, it looks like there's either no > anti-aliasing on that section or very light anti-aliasing, which > makes it hard to tell if the font matches the large fonts that make > up the logo (those are anti-aliased). This is subjective though - > the fonts that make up the logo and the blurb next to it are all in > an image (pre-rendered, if you will), so that looks the same to all > visitors, but the rest of the text on the page is rendered by the > visitor's browser. So me sitting here looking at it on a Mac with > super-smoothed text on the page - I'm going to see a big difference > between the body text and the logo blurb text, but someone viewing > on Windows with ClearType turned off might see the body text looking > quite similar to the blurb text. > >> Seems like too many fonts going on with page.. .that, I do remember from >> my pre-press days, is a no-no. > > The html of the page is all one font (Verdana, with a fallback to > Arial and then Helvetica), but in different sizes and stylings, and > I don't really see that as jumbled or mismatched at all - bold is > used for titles and headings, italics for subsection headers, all in > all cohesive. Being presumptuous here, I'd say what's catching your > eye and giving you a gut feeling of something being "off" is the > contrast in fonts between the logo/header and the rest of the body > text. > > C and his $0.0145 Let me round that up to $0.02. Here's the page as it is now as I see it: http://i.imgur.com/CuQrOdV.png (note the "*BSD" all-caps header especially) Then if I clobber half the logo and replace the text blurb with (hackish) html: http://i.imgur.com/rUFjk8E.png C > >> >> g >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From billtotman at billtotman.com Tue Oct 1 09:36:25 2013 From: billtotman at billtotman.com (Bill Totman) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 09:36:25 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] www.nycbug.org homepage In-Reply-To: <524A3A2A.900@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On 9/30/13 10:57 PM, "George Rosamond" wrote: >Brian Callahan: >> >> >> On Mon, 30 Sep 2013, George Rosamond wrote: >> >>> Scott Robbins: >>>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 02:16:47PM -0400, Mark Saad wrote: >>>>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Patrick McEvoy >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/30/13 12:54 PM, Okan Demirmen wrote: >>>>>>> For those who think the homepage might need a different look/feel, >>>>>>> please consider voicing your opinion(s) on the following: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=llist >>>>>>> 2) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=slist >>>>>>> 3) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=ylist >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> I like 2. It has the first current topic written out, rather than >>>> making >>>> the user click on the link, and then has links to all the other >>>> things. A >>>> little more space between the announcement of Boris' talk and and the >>>> link >>>> to Moe Nassar's might or might not be nice too. (Note that I have no >>>> graphics knowledge, but that's my impression.) >>> >>> Well Scott, you have shown you have no graphics knowledge, since you >>> agreed with a lot of other people who also have none either ;) >>> >> >> Way to throw all of us under the bus there ;-) > >We have hundreds of people on this list. Maybe six of them know that >white and off-white are different colors, and I don't mean in hex. Our >original logo was done by someone in NYPHP a long time ago. > >On the other hand, it's nice how our "functionalism" all comes to the >same opinion. > >And if we didn't have an Ike, we'd have to create him. He's one of the >few who grasps (or imagines?) the interconnection of engineering and art >:) > >> >>> I agree on space between 'next' and upcoming events too. >>> >>> Someone doing the tallying here? >>> >> >> Option 2 is far and away in the lead. > >Cool. > >Other comments on 2, *if* that's the majority? > >> >>> Also, Okan dropped in the new logo, which there was pretty strong >>> consensus for a few meetings ago. >>> >> >> Just noticed that. Nice new logo! > >Agree. Does the rest of the logo (New York City... bridge for learning) >match the fonts? > >Seems like too many fonts going on with page.. .that, I do remember from >my pre-press days, is a no-no. Major no-no - portfolio submissions get thrown away for too many fonts on the cover page (at least at Pentagram). >g > >_______________________________________________ >talk mailing list >talk at lists.nycbug.org >http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -bt From okan at demirmen.com Tue Oct 1 10:10:02 2013 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 10:10:02 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] www.nycbug.org homepage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Okan Demirmen wrote: > For those who think the homepage might need a different look/feel, > please consider voicing your opinion(s) on the following: > > 1) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=llist > 2) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=slist > 3) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=ylist Wow, thanks for all the feedback so far. A couple of changes since #2 is the favorite: - #2 now has a bit of a margin around "open" items - #2 gained the year split list (ylist) from #3 The comment about text throughout the site and the logo fonts being different seems valid, though I'll have to defer that change until I learn what font we used in the new logo - I'm sure someone will remind me very quickly and tell me what font-family list to use :) From mspitzer at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 15:16:31 2013 From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 15:16:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] www.nycbug.org homepage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Okan Demirmen wrote: > For those who think the homepage might need a different look/feel, > please consider voicing your opinion(s) on the following: > > 1) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=llist > 2) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=slist > 3) http://www.nycbug.org/?action=event&do=ylist > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > I would like a combo of 2 and 3. The 2 next meeting followed by the 3 list of upcoming meetings then the list of previous meeting. At a glance I see what is next then I can figure out what is going on. Thanks, Marc -- Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better. --Albert Camus The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. -- Winston Churchill Do the arithmetic or be doomed to talk nonsense. --John McCarthy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So if you have a log line like this: 2012-12-07T12:06:11-05:00 server1 program_name: ERROR foo $1 = 2012-12-07T12:06:11-05:00 $2 = server1 ... and so on So you can do things like: /ERROR/ echo "$*" | mail -s "Error executing ${3%:} on $2 at $1" error at example.com You can also group your log arguments (again just like shell): 2012-12-07T12:06:11-05:00 server1 program_name: "these are all one arg" The routelog(1) program emits to stdout, so you can pipline your log processing inside a single command: routelog mail-errors.rules /var/log/*.log | bzip2 > todays-logs.`date +%s`.bz2 It's easily implemented by any log rotation program, via cron, or using a queue system like fsq (github.com/axialmarket/fsq ... also available via pip) in concert with log rotation (which is how we use it). Any thoughts, suggestions or improvements (or ports Makefiles ... ;)) are much appreciated. -- regards, matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sun Oct 6 11:00:43 2013 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 11:00:43 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] vBSDCon travel Message-ID: <52517B1B.6080007@ceetonetechnology.com> A few of us are driving down to vBSDCon. We can fit 2-3 more people, besides myself and the other person (BC). If you're interested in coming with us, ping me offlist. We will leave NYC noon on Friday, Oct 25 and return to NYC right after the con on Sunday, getting back to NYC Sunday PM. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Oct 7 17:59:54 2013 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2013 17:59:54 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Crochet scripts for FreeBSD Message-ID: <52532EDA.9030509@ceetonetechnology.com> For those following Tim Kientzle's crochet scripts for building small ARM and then i386, he added Soekris to the mix. https://github.com/kientzle/crochet-freebsd/tree/master/board/Soekris Not too hard to add other boards, so to do an Alix board, for instance, isn't a massive undertaking. Then there's Intel's Minnowboard... the list goes on. g From okan at demirmen.com Wed Oct 9 08:28:15 2013 From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 08:28:15 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] routelog -- a filter for matching, parsing and executing commands with log data In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Check out sec as well: http://www.estpak.ee/~risto/sec/ On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Matthew Story wrote: > Wanted to introduce my recently open sourced project, routelog to the talk > list: > > https://github.com/axialmarket/routelog > > It's a UNIX filter that matches log lines, parses them, and executes > commands using the parsed log entry ... it's basically cron, but for logs, > rather than for time. > > Routelog is written in Python, using the shlex module, and implements both a > domain specific language and an interpreter. The rules file language > (routelog(5)) looks like this: > > /pattern/ command > > command is a shell command (just like cron, it gets passed to sh via the -c > option using execvp(2)), that takes it's positional arguments are the > results of a parsed log entry. So if you have a log line like this: > > 2012-12-07T12:06:11-05:00 server1 program_name: ERROR foo > > $1 = 2012-12-07T12:06:11-05:00 > $2 = server1 > ... and so on > > So you can do things like: > > /ERROR/ echo "$*" | mail -s "Error executing ${3%:} on $2 at $1" > error at example.com > > You can also group your log arguments (again just like shell): > > 2012-12-07T12:06:11-05:00 server1 program_name: "these are all one arg" > > The routelog(1) program emits to stdout, so you can pipline your log > processing inside a single command: > > routelog mail-errors.rules /var/log/*.log | bzip2 > todays-logs.`date > +%s`.bz2 > > It's easily implemented by any log rotation program, via cron, or using a > queue system like fsq (github.com/axialmarket/fsq ... also available via > pip) in concert with log rotation (which is how we use it). > > Any thoughts, suggestions or improvements (or ports Makefiles ... ;)) are > much appreciated. > > -- > regards, > matt > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > From bcallah at devio.us Fri Oct 11 20:36:56 2013 From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:36:56 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] mdocml talk? Message-ID: <525899A8.7060300@devio.us> Hey talk -- For those of you who don't know - mdocml is becoming the way to handle man pages now on the different BSDs (though it's much more than just a groff replacement). The DragonFly BSD Digest has a really nice sum-up of the current happenings of mdocml on the different projects: http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2013/10/07/12575.html OpenBSD and NetBSD have already switched to mdocml; DragonFly looks like it's about ready to make the switch. FreeBSD has it in their tree, though I'm unsure as to its usage status on FreeBSD. This is the perfect example of a *BSD grown (in this case, upstream is now OpenBSD) solution that is being enhanced by all the different projects and showcases cross pollination between the projects. Plus it's central to documentation - something we all value greatly as members of the *BSD community at large. We were talking about mdocml in IRC last night and the suggestion came up about doing an mdocml talk, since this is a technology that no matter what *BSD you use, you encounter. Unfortunately, mdocml is a bit outside what I do and I don't think I'd be able to do the topic justice. However, if someone from one of the projects who is doing work on mdocml would like to give a talk, I think it would be a perfect fit for NYC*BUG. ~Brian From bonsaime at gmail.com Fri Oct 11 20:51:40 2013 From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:51:40 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] mdocml talk? In-Reply-To: <525899A8.7060300@devio.us> References: <525899A8.7060300@devio.us> Message-ID: awesome! Thanks for the update. I think it would be a good talk as well. On Oct 11, 2013 8:45 PM, "Brian Callahan" wrote: > Hey talk -- > > For those of you who don't know - mdocml is becoming the way to handle man > pages now on the different BSDs (though it's much more than just a groff > replacement). The DragonFly BSD Digest has a really nice sum-up of the > current happenings of mdocml on the different projects: > http://www.shiningsilence.com/**dbsdlog/2013/10/07/12575.html > > OpenBSD and NetBSD have already switched to mdocml; DragonFly looks like > it's about ready to make the switch. FreeBSD has it in their tree, though > I'm unsure as to its usage status on FreeBSD. > > This is the perfect example of a *BSD grown (in this case, upstream is now > OpenBSD) solution that is being enhanced by all the different projects and > showcases cross pollination between the projects. > > Plus it's central to documentation - something we all value greatly as > members of the *BSD community at large. > > We were talking about mdocml in IRC last night and the suggestion came up > about doing an mdocml talk, since this is a technology that no matter what > *BSD you use, you encounter. > > Unfortunately, mdocml is a bit outside what I do and I don't think I'd be > able to do the topic justice. However, if someone from one of the projects > who is doing work on mdocml would like to give a talk, I think it would be > a perfect fit for NYC*BUG. > > ~Brian > ______________________________**_________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://www.nycbug.org/mailman/**listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sjt.kar at gmail.com Sun Oct 13 09:48:24 2013 From: sjt.kar at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 19:18:24 +0530 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mail Archive Not Working Message-ID: Hi, I find the mail archive is not working properly. Is this because of an upgrade. Regards, -- -- Sujit K M blog(http://kmsujit.blogspot.com/) From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sun Oct 13 11:36:14 2013 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:36:14 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Mail Archive Not Working In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <525ABDEE.8080501@ceetonetechnology.com> Sujit K M: > Hi, > > I find the mail archive is not working properly. Is this because > of an upgrade. > Yes... there was an overhaul. The gmane archive is still working for talk@ though at this moment. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Oct 15 20:29:00 2013 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:29:00 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] two FreeBSD questions Message-ID: <525DDDCC.40605@ceetonetechnology.com> 1. I don't see the svn revision number in my uname with -a on 9.2 or -CURRENT. Apparently others do. Anyone else? Why? 2. Now that FreeBSD CURRENT hit 11, do any FBSD devs know if the bleeding edge arm stuff is only hitting 11, or will 10 get the same attention with arm? TIA. g From gjb at FreeBSD.org Tue Oct 15 20:37:16 2013 From: gjb at FreeBSD.org (Glen Barber) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 20:37:16 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] two FreeBSD questions In-Reply-To: <525DDDCC.40605@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <525DDDCC.40605@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <20131016003716.GW23579@glenbarber.us> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 08:29:00PM -0400, George Rosamond wrote: > 1. I don't see the svn revision number in my uname with -a on 9.2 or > -CURRENT. Apparently others do. Anyone else? Why? > What does 'svn info /usr/src' say? > 2. Now that FreeBSD CURRENT hit 11, do any FBSD devs know if the > bleeding edge arm stuff is only hitting 11, or will 10 get the same > attention with arm? > "It depends." stable/10 will definitely have attention in these areas, but changes that affect KBI (kernel binary interface) cannot be merged from head/ to stable/10. Glen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 834 bytes Desc: not available URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Oct 15 21:22:32 2013 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:22:32 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] two FreeBSD questions In-Reply-To: <20131016003716.GW23579@glenbarber.us> References: <525DDDCC.40605@ceetonetechnology.com> <20131016003716.GW23579@glenbarber.us> Message-ID: <525DEA58.1040506@ceetonetechnology.com> Glen Barber: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 08:29:00PM -0400, George Rosamond wrote: >> 1. I don't see the svn revision number in my uname with -a on 9.2 or >> -CURRENT. Apparently others do. Anyone else? Why? >> > > What does 'svn info /usr/src' say? nothing! I'm using the nyc*bug-pleasing tool called net/svnup ;) hirren on IRC said he sees the svn revision number in his uname -a, but says he didn't see it when things like world and kernel are out of sync, which is likely the case with the 9.2 box. Not having svn installed... that might matter? Neither has svn installed. > >> 2. Now that FreeBSD CURRENT hit 11, do any FBSD devs know if the >> bleeding edge arm stuff is only hitting 11, or will 10 get the same >> attention with arm? >> > > "It depends." stable/10 will definitely have attention in these areas, > but changes that affect KBI (kernel binary interface) cannot be merged > from head/ to stable/10. right. So the project will maintain 8.x, 9.x, 10.x and focus on 11.x? Here we go again! ;) Why the rush to 11 for HEAD? g From gjb at FreeBSD.org Tue Oct 15 21:34:44 2013 From: gjb at FreeBSD.org (Glen Barber) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 21:34:44 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] two FreeBSD questions In-Reply-To: <525DEA58.1040506@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <525DDDCC.40605@ceetonetechnology.com> <20131016003716.GW23579@glenbarber.us> <525DEA58.1040506@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <20131016013444.GY23579@glenbarber.us> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 09:22:32PM -0400, George Rosamond wrote: > Glen Barber: > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 08:29:00PM -0400, George Rosamond wrote: > >> 1. I don't see the svn revision number in my uname with -a on 9.2 or > >> -CURRENT. Apparently others do. Anyone else? Why? > >> > > > > What does 'svn info /usr/src' say? > > nothing! I'm using the nyc*bug-pleasing tool called net/svnup ;) > Ah. That's why then. svnup does not record the revision in the way that can be reported by uname(1). Specifically, sys/conf/newvers.sh calls svn{,lite}version, which walks the tree to generate the output for uname(1). > hirren on IRC said he sees the svn revision number in his uname -a, but > says he didn't see it when things like world and kernel are out of sync, > which is likely the case with the 9.2 box. > No, when kernel/userland are out of sync, you will still see the svn revision. It will not be accurate, though. (freebsd-version(1) in head/ is able to differentiate when userland and kernel are out of sync to provide actual useful output; also uname(1) was updated today with r256557 to add '-K' and '-U' options for kernel and userland, respectively.) > Not having svn installed... that might matter? Neither has svn installed. > > > > >> 2. Now that FreeBSD CURRENT hit 11, do any FBSD devs know if the > >> bleeding edge arm stuff is only hitting 11, or will 10 get the same > >> attention with arm? > >> > > > > "It depends." stable/10 will definitely have attention in these areas, > > but changes that affect KBI (kernel binary interface) cannot be merged > > from head/ to stable/10. > > right. So the project will maintain 8.x, 9.x, 10.x and focus on 11.x? > Well, 10.0 is the immediate focus; 11.0 will not exist as a release for about 2 years or so. stable/9 will continue to receive updates. The number of updates merged to stable/8 will surely lessen, but do not expect any more 8.x releases. > Here we go again! > > ;) > > Why the rush to 11 for HEAD? > It is an illusion. http://www.nycbug.org/pipermail/talk/2013-September/030328.html Glen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm using the nyc*bug-pleasing tool called net/svnup >> ;) >> > > Ah. That's why then. > > svnup does not record the revision in the way that can be reported > by uname(1). > > Specifically, sys/conf/newvers.sh calls svn{,lite}version, which > walks the tree to generate the output for uname(1). I should have caught that myself... and realized after I sent. I had issues with newvers.sh and it getting confused by dot git files... PR 174422, so I had worked through that file a few times. Got it. > >> hirren on IRC said he sees the svn revision number in his uname >> -a, but says he didn't see it when things like world and kernel >> are out of sync, which is likely the case with the 9.2 box. >> > > No, when kernel/userland are out of sync, you will still see the > svn revision. It will not be accurate, though. > > (freebsd-version(1) in head/ is able to differentiate when userland > and kernel are out of sync to provide actual useful output; also > uname(1) was updated today with r256557 to add '-K' and '-U' > options for kernel and userland, respectively.) that's a nice thing. > >> Not having svn installed... that might matter? Neither has svn >> installed. >> >>> >>>> 2. Now that FreeBSD CURRENT hit 11, do any FBSD devs know if >>>> the bleeding edge arm stuff is only hitting 11, or will 10 >>>> get the same attention with arm? >>>> >>> >>> "It depends." stable/10 will definitely have attention in >>> these areas, but changes that affect KBI (kernel binary >>> interface) cannot be merged from head/ to stable/10. >> >> right. So the project will maintain 8.x, 9.x, 10.x and focus on >> 11.x? >> > > Well, 10.0 is the immediate focus; 11.0 will not exist as a release > for about 2 years or so. stable/9 will continue to receive > updates. The number of updates merged to stable/8 will surely > lessen, but do not expect any more 8.x releases. Got it. So with the flurry of arm commits I see, building something stable (lower case) with 10- is still the best bet, right? > >> Here we go again! >> >> ;) >> >> Why the rush to 11 for HEAD? >> > > It is an illusion. > > http://www.nycbug.org/pipermail/talk/2013-September/030328.html Point (dot) taken (pun...) I should read entire replies, not just the first three lines :) Thank you for your infinite patience gjb. g From gjb at FreeBSD.org Tue Oct 15 22:05:53 2013 From: gjb at FreeBSD.org (Glen Barber) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 22:05:53 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] two FreeBSD questions In-Reply-To: <525DF1CB.6090200@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <525DDDCC.40605@ceetonetechnology.com> <20131016003716.GW23579@glenbarber.us> <525DEA58.1040506@ceetonetechnology.com> <20131016013444.GY23579@glenbarber.us> <525DF1CB.6090200@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <20131016020553.GA23579@glenbarber.us> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 09:54:19PM -0400, George Rosamond wrote: > > Well, 10.0 is the immediate focus; 11.0 will not exist as a release > > for about 2 years or so. stable/9 will continue to receive > > updates. The number of updates merged to stable/8 will surely > > lessen, but do not expect any more 8.x releases. > > Got it. > > So with the flurry of arm commits I see, building something stable > (lower case) with 10- is still the best bet, right? > Correct. > > > >> Here we go again! > >> > >> ;) > >> > >> Why the rush to 11 for HEAD? > >> > > > > It is an illusion. > > > > http://www.nycbug.org/pipermail/talk/2013-September/030328.html > > Point (dot) taken (pun...) > > I should read entire replies, not just the first three lines :) > > Thank you for your infinite patience gjb. > Happy to help. Glen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm using the nyc*bug-pleasing tool called net/svnup ;) > > hirren on IRC said he sees the svn revision number in his uname -a, but > says he didn't see it when things like world and kernel are out of sync, > which is likely the case with the 9.2 box. > > Not having svn installed... that might matter? Neither has svn installed. > >> >>> 2. Now that FreeBSD CURRENT hit 11, do any FBSD devs know if the >>> bleeding edge arm stuff is only hitting 11, or will 10 get the same >>> attention with arm? >>> >> >> "It depends." stable/10 will definitely have attention in these areas, >> but changes that affect KBI (kernel binary interface) cannot be merged >> from head/ to stable/10. > > right. So the project will maintain 8.x, 9.x, 10.x and focus on 11.x? > > Here we go again! > > ;) > > Why the rush to 11 for HEAD? I'd love for someone to continue/expand this list of major changes/features: * 1.x -> 2.x ?? * 2.x.x introduction of CAM in 2.2.8(?), which was awesome * 2.x -> 3.x SMP introduced * 3.x -> 4.x SMP improved, "the release which will not die", better threading(?), jails * 4.x -> 5.x SMPng, ELF, pf (5.3), more architectures, UFS2, bootloader changes(?) * 5.x -> 6.x amd64 in the .0 release, general stability, ? * 6.x -> 7.x ULE, multiple jail IPs, and that's about all I remember * 7.x -> 8.x production zfs, new USB stack, AHCI Clearly I'm an old fart, as I get a bit lost after 8.x, and I know very little about any major changes beyond 6.x. :) There used to be an (accidental?) pattern - up until 7.x, where the odd-numbered releases were scary and short-lived and the even-numbered releases would not die (3.x was cool, but scary, as was 5.x). I still have quite the soft spot for 4.11. Totally a gut feeling, but I'd think you'd want at least 10.1 or 10.2 before talking too much about 11.x. Damn you, Mozilla! On the upside, as we approach the point of there being 4 active releases out at one time, we can be thankful that we have numbered releases and that there are no names like "Crack-Addled Chipmunk", "Hallucinating Hedgehog", "Lactating Llama", or "Flatulent Ferret". freebsd-questions@ would simply melt down if the project had taken that route. Charles > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://www.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From gjb at FreeBSD.org Tue Oct 15 22:17:34 2013 From: gjb at FreeBSD.org (Glen Barber) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 22:17:34 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] two FreeBSD questions In-Reply-To: <31DFF3DB-2F61-457C-A556-2602F3A9C510@bway.net> References: <525DDDCC.40605@ceetonetechnology.com> <20131016003716.GW23579@glenbarber.us> <525DEA58.1040506@ceetonetechnology.com> <31DFF3DB-2F61-457C-A556-2602F3A9C510@bway.net> Message-ID: <20131016021734.GB23579@glenbarber.us> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 10:08:38PM -0400, Charles Sprickman wrote: > I'd love for someone to continue/expand this list of major > changes/features: > > * 1.x -> 2.x ?? > * 2.x.x introduction of CAM in 2.2.8(?), which was awesome > * 2.x -> 3.x SMP introduced > * 3.x -> 4.x SMP improved, "the release which will not die", better threading(?), jails > * 4.x -> 5.x SMPng, ELF, pf (5.3), more architectures, UFS2, bootloader changes(?) > * 5.x -> 6.x amd64 in the .0 release, general stability, ? > * 6.x -> 7.x ULE, multiple jail IPs, and that's about all I remember > * 7.x -> 8.x production zfs, new USB stack, AHCI > Where did you find this? IMHO, the "notable changes", for lack of a better way to put it, for 9.x, 10.x (and predicting the future, 11.x), will need more than a single line. > Clearly I'm an old fart, as I get a bit lost after 8.x, and I know > very little about any major changes beyond 6.x. :) There used to be > an (accidental?) pattern - up until 7.x, where the odd-numbered > releases were scary and short-lived and the even-numbered releases > would not die (3.x was cool, but scary, as was 5.x). I still have > quite the soft spot for 4.11. > > Totally a gut feeling, but I'd think you'd want at least 10.1 or > 10.2 before talking too much about 11.x. Damn you, Mozilla! > Pfft. What is the fun in that? root at nucleus:~ # uname -a FreeBSD nucleus 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #180 r256433: Sun Oct 13 19:27:43 EDT 2013 root at nucleus:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NUCLEUS amd64 I even upgraded on the 13th, despite superstition. :-) Glen -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm using the nyc*bug-pleasing tool called net/svnup ;) >> >> hirren on IRC said he sees the svn revision number in his uname -a, but >> says he didn't see it when things like world and kernel are out of sync, >> which is likely the case with the 9.2 box. >> >> Not having svn installed... that might matter? Neither has svn installed. >> >>> >>>> 2. Now that FreeBSD CURRENT hit 11, do any FBSD devs know if the >>>> bleeding edge arm stuff is only hitting 11, or will 10 get the same >>>> attention with arm? >>>> >>> >>> "It depends." stable/10 will definitely have attention in these areas, >>> but changes that affect KBI (kernel binary interface) cannot be merged >>> from head/ to stable/10. >> >> right. So the project will maintain 8.x, 9.x, 10.x and focus on 11.x? >> >> Here we go again! >> >> ;) >> >> Why the rush to 11 for HEAD? > > I'd love for someone to continue/expand this list of major > changes/features: > > * 1.x -> 2.x ?? > * 2.x.x introduction of CAM in 2.2.8(?), which was awesome > * 2.x -> 3.x SMP introduced > * 3.x -> 4.x SMP improved, "the release which will not die", better threading(?), jails > * 4.x -> 5.x SMPng, ELF, pf (5.3), more architectures, UFS2, bootloader changes(?) > * 5.x -> 6.x amd64 in the .0 release, general stability, ? > * 6.x -> 7.x ULE, multiple jail IPs, and that's about all I remember > * 7.x -> 8.x production zfs, new USB stack, AHCI I was thinking the same thing Spork. 8.x -> 9.x gpt (and adding complexity to geom), svn from cvs (not really branch-related though) 9.x -> 10.x arm to tier 2(?), pkgng, clang/llvm > > Clearly I'm an old fart, as I get a bit lost after 8.x, and I know > very little about any major changes beyond 6.x. :) There used to be > an (accidental?) pattern - up until 7.x, where the odd-numbered > releases were scary and short-lived and the even-numbered releases > would not die (3.x was cool, but scary, as was 5.x). I still have > quite the soft spot for 4.11. > That reminds me of someone who once told me if he slept for an even amount of hours, he slept well, no matter how long. And he never slept well with an odd number of hours. Yes, 4.11 was dreamy. > Totally a gut feeling, but I'd think you'd want at least 10.1 or > 10.2 before talking too much about 11.x. Damn you, Mozilla! That's the logical thought, but when using arm as the platform, it's not as straight-forward an answer IMHO. Yes, FreeBSD should adopt ESRs! We could make 4.12 the extended service release! ;) > > On the upside, as we approach the point of there being 4 active > releases out at one time, we can be thankful that we have numbered > releases and that there are no names like "Crack-Addled Chipmunk", > "Hallucinating Hedgehog", "Lactating Llama", or "Flatulent Ferret". > freebsd-questions@ would simply melt down if the project had taken > that route. Oh, yes. Very true. Did you think of those yourself or are those actual upcoming Debian nicknames? Nothing surprises me anymore. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Oct 17 11:22:32 2013 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:22:32 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] donation of Thinkpad X61 batteries Message-ID: <526000B8.4020304@ceetonetechnology.com> If anyone has X61 batteries in good shape for donation, ping me offlist ASAP. They will be given to Henning of OpenBSD who'll also be at vBSDCon. TIA g From mark.saad at ymail.com Mon Oct 21 16:23:59 2013 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 16:23:59 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] ssh and pam Message-ID: Hi talk Its monday and I have forgotten how to make this magic happen . How do I tell pam.d/sshd that "you can never use a password" ? I have tried "PasswordAuthentication no" in sshd_config but its not working. What I am trying to do , is to have users and groups out of ldap, public keys in $HOME, pam_ssh to make sure you have a working agent that is loaded with a passphrase protected key and for the server to never prompt you for a password (In the event of the agent not running or ldap being unreachable ) I don't want to see a password prompt from either ldap or pam_ssh . Any ideas ? -- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How do I > tell pam.d/sshd that "you can never use a password" ? I have tried > "PasswordAuthentication no" in sshd_config but its not working. > > What I am trying to do , is to have users and groups out of ldap, public > keys in $HOME, pam_ssh to make sure you have a working agent that is loaded > with a passphrase protected key and for the server to never prompt you for > a password (In the event of the agent not running or ldap being > unreachable ) I don't want to see a password prompt from either ldap or > pam_ssh . > > Any ideas ? > > -- > > Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://www.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My aim is *NOT* to restrict it's use, but vendor hijacking and malicious uses of the logo obviously aren't cool. And since I exist, and NYC*BUG does not, I'll do it like Kirk handles Beastie. Ping admin@ if y'all have issue with that, (but folks have other stuff to think about so?) Rocket- .ike From mark.saad at ymail.com Tue Oct 29 12:32:23 2013 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:32:23 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Source of OSX's purge command Message-ID: All Does anyone know if the sources for osx's purge command /usr/sbin/purge are publicly available ? -- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was looking for the sources for the purge command that flushes the memory caches . It looks like there is some magic happening here and I can't find it anywhere .

So this stems from a work question about porting some Linux code to FreeBSD that swaps for no good reason . It was mentioned by a developer they ran purge on their Mac to gain back some free ram that was allocated as buff cache .

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Free RAM is wasted RAM. Note that FreeBSD tries to take advantage of this as much as possible: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/misc.html#idp77260464 -- Eitan Adler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Oct 30 10:22:51 2013 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:22:51 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Raspberry Pi FreeBSD images Message-ID: <5271163B.1050206@ceetonetechnology.com> armed.nycbug.org's FreeBSD image is up and the sha256 is accurate, based on the svn revision from yesterday AM. If anyone tests and has issues, ping me offlist. Also, the arm pkgng repo on mirrors.nycbug.org is staying moderately up-to-date, so let me know, offlist again, if you're having any issues. At this point, I'm sticking with 10 'stable' which is at beta2, instead of sticking with head at 11. Can I assume that the useful arm updates will happen there, and not just in the 11 branch? g From ericshane at eradman.com Wed Oct 30 10:53:47 2013 From: ericshane at eradman.com (Eric Radman) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 10:53:47 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Raspberry Pi FreeBSD images In-Reply-To: <5271163B.1050206@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5271163B.1050206@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <20131030145347.GA15389@vm.eradman.com> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:22:51AM -0400, George Rosamond wrote: > armed.nycbug.org's FreeBSD image is up and the sha256 is accurate, based > on the svn revision from yesterday AM. > > If anyone tests and has issues, ping me offlist. > > Also, the arm pkgng repo on mirrors.nycbug.org is staying moderately > up-to-date, so let me know, offlist again, if you're having any issues. > > At this point, I'm sticking with 10 'stable' which is at beta2, instead > of sticking with head at 11. Can I assume that the useful arm updates > will happen there, and not just in the 11 branch? > > g Reading http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html 23.5.2.2. Who Needs FreeBSD-STABLE? Those interested in tracking or contributing to the FreeBSD development process, especially as it relates to the next "point" release of FreeBSD, should consider following FreeBSD-STABLE. So another way of asking the question is: what kind of bug fixes and features that relate to a "point" release? Eric From mark.saad at ymail.com Thu Oct 31 14:45:31 2013 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:45:31 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Happy Halloween, here is some wacky Horror story Message-ID: Hi Talk This is making its rounds today, and its Ars titled ' Meet badBIOS ...." The claims are great FUD and inresting none the less. Here is one snippet I figured the list would enjoy. In the following months, Ruiu observed more odd phenomena that seemed straight out of a science-fiction thriller. A computer running the Open BSD operating system also began to modify its settings and delete its data without explanation or prompting. His network transmitted data specific to the Internet's next-generation IPv6 networking protocol, even from computers that were supposed to have IPv6 completely disabled. Strangest of all was the ability of infected machines to transmit small amounts of network data with other infected machines even when their power cords and Ethernet cables were unplugged and their Wi-Fi and Bluetooth cards were removed. Further investigation soon showed that the list of affected operating systems also included multiple variants of Windows and Linux. Here is the entire story. http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/ So beware OpenBSD user , unplug your Mic and Speakers and never use USB !!! -- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 15:09:54 2013 From: briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com (Brian Coca) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:09:54 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Happy Halloween, here is some wacky Horror story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does this mean that I MUST blast death metal at max volume over the whole office for security reasons? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ike at blackskyresearch.net Thu Oct 31 16:15:14 2013 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 20:15:14 +0000 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Happy Halloween, here is some wacky Horror story Message-ID: <201310312015.r9VKFEkd030115@rs103.luxsci.com> On October 31, 2013 03:26:01 PM EDT, Charles Sprickman wrote: > On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Mark Saad wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Brian Coca >> wrote: >> Does this mean that I MUST blast death metal at max volume over the >> whole office for security reasons? Here's a different horror story, which a russian developer in our office showed us: http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/10/26/656816.html (I'd love for someone here who speaks/knows Russian, to validate this source isn't some sort of Russian version of The Onion or something...) -- Rough Translation (using Google translate): "Media: China has put in irons Russian spy-spammers" Petersburg sellers of electronics in a hurry terminated contracts with Chinese suppliers after the discovery of the party "spyware" - irons, kettles and phones that can send out viruses and spam Wi-Fi. All electronics have been equipped with a small chip, which, when you turn the device into the grid could easily be connected by over Wi-Fi to any unprotected computers within a radius of 200 meters. According to the director of the importing company Innocent Fedorov such a surprise from his colleagues from China, he did not expect, "This place is already proven, and it is strange that such a thing happened. This happened recently, something has to happen suddenly, and we began to understand, to find out what it was. " Discover the "spy" fake entrepreneurs helped the brokerage firm, transfer "Vesti.Ru" . Prior to sending equipment from China Russian experts confused weight of packages, which a few grams differ materially from those in the documents. Party stopped at the border, experts engaged in the study of electronics. It turned out that the embedded chips designed to send unwanted spam and computer viruses. CTO and Customs broker Gleb Pavlov explains: "You do not even notice that it sends something. Neither the system administrator will not notice the attack, because it did not occur outside of the enterprise, and not through the Web, but from within. " About 30 irons, kettles, phones and video recorders from a trial lot still had time to go back to their chain stores of St. Petersburg, and the question of how many of these electronics products to spyware chip, it is difficult to answer. It is also unknown whether the leak could multifunction machines in other regions of Russia. -- Rocket- .ike From mark.saad at ymail.com Thu Oct 31 17:30:35 2013 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nycbug-talk] Happy Halloween, here is some wacky Horror story Message-ID: <1383255035.37192.BPMail_high_carrier@web140105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ------------------------------ On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 1:15 PM PDT Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > >On October 31, 2013 03:26:01 PM EDT, Charles Sprickman wrote: >> On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Mark Saad wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Brian Coca wrote: >> Does this mean that I MUST blast death metal at max volume over the whole office for security reasons? > >Here's a different horror story, which a russian developer in our office showed us: > >http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/10/26/656816.html > >(I'd love for someone here who speaks/knows Russian, to validate this source isn't some sort of Russian version of The Onion or something...) > >-- >Rough Translation (using Google translate): > >"Media: China has put in irons Russian spy-spammers" > >Petersburg sellers of electronics in a hurry terminated contracts with Chinese suppliers after the discovery of the party "spyware" - irons, kettles and phones that can send out viruses and spam Wi-Fi. > >All electronics have been equipped with a small chip, which, when you turn the device into the grid could easily be connected by over Wi-Fi to any unprotected computers within a radius of 200 meters. > >According to the director of the importing company Innocent Fedorov such a surprise from his colleagues from China, he did not expect, "This place is already proven, and it is strange that such a thing happened. This happened recently, something has to happen suddenly, and we began to understand, to find out what it was. " > >Discover the "spy" fake entrepreneurs helped the brokerage firm, transfer "Vesti.Ru" . > >Prior to sending equipment from China Russian experts confused weight of packages, which a few grams differ materially from those in the documents. Party stopped at the border, experts engaged in the study of electronics. > >It turned out that the embedded chips designed to send unwanted spam and computer viruses. > >CTO and Customs broker Gleb Pavlov explains: "You do not even notice that it sends something. Neither the system administrator will not notice the attack, because it did not occur outside of the enterprise, and not through the Web, but from within. " > >About 30 irons, kettles, phones and video recorders from a trial lot still had time to go back to their chain stores of St. Petersburg, and the question of how many of these electronics products to spyware chip, it is difficult to answer. > >It is also unknown whether the leak could multifunction machines in other regions of Russia. >-- > > >Rocket- >.ike > Unreal but way more believable then the click bait I sent out ." Do I have to prepare for the Ultrasonic layer 3 transport for ipv6 on OpenBSD or will it just work?l , that sounds like bad science fiction , that Steven seigal , says to Tyra banks in "invasion of mutant puffy "! To me It's like Someone telling you "we can solve your web server problems with java " sure maybe you could , and maybe my electric teapot has a hidden netbsd box spamming the world about cijalis , penus engirgemen and African riches . See neither sounds real and I say both are amusing works of fiction and it's not even April . So who is going to present "pf carp and ultrasonic Ethernet " at nycbsdcon ? Mark From bonsaime at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 18:50:49 2013 From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:50:49 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Happy Halloween, here is some wacky Horror story In-Reply-To: <1383255035.37192.BPMail_high_carrier@web140105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1383255035.37192.BPMail_high_carrier@web140105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Heh... li-fi On Oct 31, 2013 5:48 PM, "Mark Saad" wrote: > > > > > > ------------------------------ > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 1:15 PM PDT Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > > > > >On October 31, 2013 03:26:01 PM EDT, Charles Sprickman > wrote: > >> On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Mark Saad wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Brian Coca > wrote: > >> Does this mean that I MUST blast death metal at max volume over the > whole office for security reasons? > > > >Here's a different horror story, which a russian developer in our office > showed us: > > > >http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/10/26/656816.html > > > >(I'd love for someone here who speaks/knows Russian, to validate this > source isn't some sort of Russian version of The Onion or something...) > > > >-- > >Rough Translation (using Google translate): > > > >"Media: China has put in irons Russian spy-spammers" > > > >Petersburg sellers of electronics in a hurry terminated contracts with > Chinese suppliers after the discovery of the party "spyware" - irons, > kettles and phones that can send out viruses and spam Wi-Fi. > > > >All electronics have been equipped with a small chip, which, when you > turn the device into the grid could easily be connected by over Wi-Fi to > any unprotected computers within a radius of 200 meters. > > > >According to the director of the importing company Innocent Fedorov such > a surprise from his colleagues from China, he did not expect, "This place > is already proven, and it is strange that such a thing happened. This > happened recently, something has to happen suddenly, and we began to > understand, to find out what it was. " > > > >Discover the "spy" fake entrepreneurs helped the brokerage firm, transfer > "Vesti.Ru" . > > > >Prior to sending equipment from China Russian experts confused weight of > packages, which a few grams differ materially from those in the documents. > Party stopped at the border, experts engaged in the study of electronics. > > > >It turned out that the embedded chips designed to send unwanted spam and > computer viruses. > > > >CTO and Customs broker Gleb Pavlov explains: "You do not even notice that > it sends something. Neither the system administrator will not notice the > attack, because it did not occur outside of the enterprise, and not through > the Web, but from within. " > > > >About 30 irons, kettles, phones and video recorders from a trial lot > still had time to go back to their chain stores of St. Petersburg, and the > question of how many of these electronics products to spyware chip, it is > difficult to answer. > > > >It is also unknown whether the leak could multifunction machines in other > regions of Russia. > >-- > > > > > >Rocket- > >.ike > > > > Unreal but way more believable then the click bait I sent out ." Do I have > to prepare for the Ultrasonic layer 3 transport for ipv6 on OpenBSD or > will it just work?l , that sounds like bad science fiction , that Steven > seigal , says to Tyra banks in "invasion of mutant puffy "! > > To me It's like Someone telling you "we can solve your web server problems > with java " sure maybe you could , and maybe my electric teapot has a > hidden netbsd box spamming the world about cijalis , penus engirgemen and > African riches . > > See neither sounds real and I say both are amusing works of fiction and > it's not even April . > > So who is going to present "pf carp and ultrasonic Ethernet " at nycbsdcon > ? > > Mark > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://www.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edlinuxguru at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 21:06:01 2013 From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 21:06:01 -0400 Subject: [nycbug-talk] Happy Halloween, here is some wacky Horror story In-Reply-To: References: <1383255035.37192.BPMail_high_carrier@web140105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Really interesting article. I'm sorry Mark you trolled me now. But you CAN solve your web server problems with java. I remember this one problem where a certain organization had me for months trying to build the abandoned oracle driver on 64 bit hardware, from ports, unwilling to admit defeat and switch to linux. Had they been using, java, tomcat they could have just used this: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/ports/head/databases/jdbc-oracle10g/ Because when my java web servers need a database driver, I just copy the platform independent driver to my tomcat/lib directory, and then it works. I don't spend hours/days hopelessly and trying to build an abandoned port. Eventually that company did find a solution to the 64 bit driver, they just downgraded all there servers to a 32 bit Operating system! That was smart!!! pause not! On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Jesse Callaway wrote: > Heh... li-fi > On Oct 31, 2013 5:48 PM, "Mark Saad" wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 1:15 PM PDT Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: >> >> > >> >On October 31, 2013 03:26:01 PM EDT, Charles Sprickman >> wrote: >> >> On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Mark Saad wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Brian Coca < >> briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Does this mean that I MUST blast death metal at max volume over the >> whole office for security reasons? >> > >> >Here's a different horror story, which a russian developer in our office >> showed us: >> > >> >http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/10/26/656816.html >> > >> >(I'd love for someone here who speaks/knows Russian, to validate this >> source isn't some sort of Russian version of The Onion or something...) >> > >> >-- >> >Rough Translation (using Google translate): >> > >> >"Media: China has put in irons Russian spy-spammers" >> > >> >Petersburg sellers of electronics in a hurry terminated contracts with >> Chinese suppliers after the discovery of the party "spyware" - irons, >> kettles and phones that can send out viruses and spam Wi-Fi. >> > >> >All electronics have been equipped with a small chip, which, when you >> turn the device into the grid could easily be connected by over Wi-Fi to >> any unprotected computers within a radius of 200 meters. >> > >> >According to the director of the importing company Innocent Fedorov such >> a surprise from his colleagues from China, he did not expect, "This place >> is already proven, and it is strange that such a thing happened. This >> happened recently, something has to happen suddenly, and we began to >> understand, to find out what it was. " >> > >> >Discover the "spy" fake entrepreneurs helped the brokerage firm, >> transfer "Vesti.Ru" . >> > >> >Prior to sending equipment from China Russian experts confused weight of >> packages, which a few grams differ materially from those in the documents. >> Party stopped at the border, experts engaged in the study of electronics. >> > >> >It turned out that the embedded chips designed to send unwanted spam and >> computer viruses. >> > >> >CTO and Customs broker Gleb Pavlov explains: "You do not even notice >> that it sends something. Neither the system administrator will not notice >> the attack, because it did not occur outside of the enterprise, and not >> through the Web, but from within. " >> > >> >About 30 irons, kettles, phones and video recorders from a trial lot >> still had time to go back to their chain stores of St. Petersburg, and the >> question of how many of these electronics products to spyware chip, it is >> difficult to answer. >> > >> >It is also unknown whether the leak could multifunction machines in >> other regions of Russia. >> >-- >> > >> > >> >Rocket- >> >.ike >> > >> >> Unreal but way more believable then the click bait I sent out ." Do I >> have to prepare for the Ultrasonic layer 3 transport for ipv6 on OpenBSD >> or will it just work?l , that sounds like bad science fiction , that >> Steven seigal , says to Tyra banks in "invasion of mutant puffy "! >> >> To me It's like Someone telling you "we can solve your web server >> problems with java " sure maybe you could , and maybe my electric teapot >> has a hidden netbsd box spamming the world about cijalis , penus engirgemen >> and African riches . >> >> See neither sounds real and I say both are amusing works of fiction and >> it's not even April . >> >> So who is going to present "pf carp and ultrasonic Ethernet " at >> nycbsdcon ? >> >> Mark >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://www.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://www.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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