[nycbug-talk] Fwd: ARM Architecture Reference Manual availability

[Okan Demirmen]

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Isaac (.ike) Levy
<ike at blackskyresearch.net> wrote:
>
> On September 11, 2013 10:17:15 AM EDT, Brian Callahan <bcallah at devio.us>
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/11/2013 9:51 AM, George Rosamond wrote:
>>>
>>> This is from the FBSD ARM list.. .may be of interest to some people on
>>> this list.
>>>
>>> g
>>
>>
>> Hot on the heels of this announcement, here's how Linus feels about ARM
>> SoC developers:
>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/11/torvalds_suggests_poison_and_sabotage_for_arm_soc_designers/
>>
>> (totally no bias from me...)
>>
>
> Well, I guess that opens the door wide for more businesses to adopt *BSD on
> ARM, as the "internet of things" becomes more of a thing.

His rant is about hardware designers, not really what's running on top
of them.  While *BSD on them is interesting, Linux barely runs on
these things for similar reasons- it's a crap shoot.  Businesses care
about running their own (heavily) modified version of whatever OS they
choose to (barely) run the crap they've created - they don't entirely
care about the ecosystem.

> With that, sorry to shift the conversation sideways, but I see a few
> big-picture roadblocks:
>
> - General USB support for various ARM hardwares.  Sore spot, I know- but
> it's a pretty serious blocker for *BSD to take off in the emerging
> maker/builder/application ARM community.
>
> - General *solid* Ethernet support for various ARM hardwares.  It's simply
> no good to deploy, and have the nic jam up.
>
> I know these are problems because of cost- inexpensive hw is not quality, as
> well as being a moving target.  (My comments come after my *very light*
> tinkering with FreeBSD and OpenBSD on arm- and years and years of
> soekris/pcengines fun...)
>
> --
> What can non OS-developers (like myself) do to help these two issues along?
>
> Best,
> .ike
>
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: ARM Architecture Reference Manual availability
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:25:06 +0100
>>> From: Andrew Wafaa <Andrew.Wafaa at arm.com>
>>> To: arm at freebsd.org <arm at freebsd.org>
>>>
>>> To all those interested,
>>>
>>> ARM have finally published the reference manual for ARMv8 \o/ You can
>>> grab a copy [0] now, you will need to accept the EULA first.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> 0 -
>>>
>>> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0487a/index.html
>>>
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