From skreuzer at exit2shell.com  Fri Aug  1 10:55:03 2014
From: skreuzer at exit2shell.com (Steven Kreuzer)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:55:03 -0400
Subject: [talk] Samsung Chromebook2
Message-ID: <DA5E9EFD-5801-491A-B6C3-7A9C874F55CC@exit2shell.com>

I was just browsing through the commits for FreeBSD-CURRENT and stumbled across this change: http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=269369

In the past there has been a lot of interest in running FreeBSD on cheap netbooks (Anyone remember the Asus Eee PC?) so I figured I would pass this along since
the Chromebook2 is a $320 dollar ARM laptop: http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/chrome-os-devices/XE503C12-K01US
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From justin at shiningsilence.com  Fri Aug  1 12:54:45 2014
From: justin at shiningsilence.com (Justin Sherrill)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:54:45 -0400
Subject: [talk] Samsung Chromebook2
In-Reply-To: <DA5E9EFD-5801-491A-B6C3-7A9C874F55CC@exit2shell.com>
References: <DA5E9EFD-5801-491A-B6C3-7A9C874F55CC@exit2shell.com>
Message-ID: <CA+YR8=1fcJPo685jGyvp-RuyPmm1bJkUX0u2Etrbp8QU1HEe6g@mail.gmail.com>

FWIW, there's been some work on what I think is an older Chromebook
model for DragonFly -

http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2014/01/07/13078.html



On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Steven Kreuzer <skreuzer at exit2shell.com> wrote:
> I was just browsing through the commits for FreeBSD-CURRENT and stumbled
> across this change:
> http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=269369
>
> In the past there has been a lot of interest in running FreeBSD on cheap
> netbooks (Anyone remember the Asus Eee PC?) so I figured I would pass this
> along since
> the Chromebook2 is a $320 dollar ARM laptop:
> http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/chrome-os-devices/XE503C12-K01US
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


From mark.saad at ymail.com  Wed Aug  6 22:23:01 2014
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 22:23:01 -0400
Subject: [talk] [announce] NYC*BUG Tonight
In-Reply-To: <mailman.171.1407341780.29181.announce@lists.nycbug.org>
References: <mailman.171.1407341780.29181.announce@lists.nycbug.org>
Message-ID: <D16B54A2-7B36-458B-9F29-29D642624B23@ymail.com>


All
  Thanks for coming out and partaking in , our first build your own port talk . 

There was no audio for the talk however brian will upload his notes .

If You can , can you post your progress with your port , we would like to know if it's accepted , what it does and any issues you get back from the OpenBSD devs . 


Stay tuned for out September meeting. We have some ideas but we are always looking for new speakers .  

Also we should be at about.com for sept and we are still interested in an alternate location . 

---

Mark saad | mark.saad at ymail.com 


> On Aug 6, 2014, at 12:15 PM, NYC*BUG Announcements <announce at lists.nycbug.org> wrote:
> 
> Please RSVP ASAP!
> 
>    August 6 - OpenBSD Ports, Brian Callahan
>    6:45, about.com (1500 Broadway, 43rd Street, 6th Floor)
>    Notice: RSVP to rsvp at nycbug.org and bring photo ID. RSVPs must be
> received by 3 PM, day-of.
> 
>    Abstract
> 
>    Everyone relies on packages and ports to have easily accessible
> third-party software for OpenBSD. Have you ever wanted to write your own
> ports? Bring your laptop and learn how ports are made! You can bring
> your own software to port, or there will be a collection of software
> ready to be ported.
> 
>    Those interested in taking part in the hands-on workshop should
> email admin at lists.nycbug.org for setup instructions. Please also tell us
> if you plan on porting software of your choosing. Please sign up for the
> workshop no later than July 23.
> 
>    Even if you don't want to be involved in the workshop, come and
> learn all about ports!
> 
>    This makes a great first foray into contributing back to OpenBSD.
> 
>    Speaker Bio
> 
>    Brian is a graduate student, beginning his Ph.D. work in Science and
> Technology Studies at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in the Fall. He
> is an OpenBSD developer, working primarily on ports.
> _______________________________________________
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From spork at bway.net  Fri Aug  8 15:25:05 2014
From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 15:25:05 -0400
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD EC2 Crash Course?
Message-ID: <FC5E0B01-51D4-4917-B8DC-420A1EA76FBB@bway.net>

Hello all,

I recently setup my first EC2 instance, and that was my very first foray into ?the cloud?.

I am seeing a huge mound of documentation, I am not seeing a nice list of gotchas or a good overview of things like instance storage vs. EBS vs. ephemeral storage and such.

I know there?s a few here that run things on a fairly large scale in Amazon?s cloud - I really only need a few cheap standalone instances.  My concerns boil down to:

? How to never lose my public IPs
? How to safely backup the entire instance off-site (none are over 10G)
? Swap (seriously - even something this simple has caveats and apparently if you use EBS you can rack up a huge bill if something spins out of control and hits swap hard)
? Any FreeBSD-specific gotchas beyond Colin?s notes here: http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-on-ec2/

In short, I really want to just treat this more like a simple VPS instead of a puppet-ified cloudfront sharknado monster, and I want a recovery path if I break something.

Any pointers?

Thanks,

Charles
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From pete at nomadlogic.org  Fri Aug  8 15:39:20 2014
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 12:39:20 -0700
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD EC2 Crash Course?
In-Reply-To: <FC5E0B01-51D4-4917-B8DC-420A1EA76FBB@bway.net>
References: <FC5E0B01-51D4-4917-B8DC-420A1EA76FBB@bway.net>
Message-ID: <53E52768.5070607@nomadlogic.org>

On 8/8/14, 12:25 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I recently setup my first EC2 instance, and that was my very first foray into ?the cloud?.
>
> I am seeing a huge mound of documentation, I am not seeing a nice list of gotchas or a good overview of things like instance storage vs. EBS vs. ephemeral storage and such.
>
> I know there?s a few here that run things on a fairly large scale in Amazon?s cloud - I really only need a few cheap standalone instances.  My concerns boil down to:
>
> ? How to never lose my public IPs

take a look at using elastic IP addresses:
https://aws.amazon.com/articles/1346

> ? How to safely backup the entire instance off-site (none are over 10G)
this is possible, although i'd suggest *not* doing this since the 
infrastructure to back and restore instances is actually counter 
intuitive.  with out getting into the nitty gritty details i'd suggest 
using tarsnap to backup your userland.

> ? Swap (seriously - even something this simple has caveats and apparently if you use EBS you can rack up a huge bill if something spins out of control and hits swap hard)

i generally take as many steps as humanly possibly to not swap on ec2. 
if that is not an option i'd suggest the following:
-- install your instance on an ephemeral volume
- then -
-- create an EBS volume for your local userland and mount that
--- this gives you the added benefit of snapshotting this volume for 
backup and sharing fun b/w multiple instance

> ? Any FreeBSD-specific gotchas beyond Colin?s notes here: http://www.daemonology.net/freebsd-on-ec2/
>
Colin's notes are great for FreeBSD specifics.  The AWS documentation is 
actually pretty great.

> In short, I really want to just treat this more like a simple VPS instead of a puppet-ified cloudfront sharknado monster, and I want a recovery path if I break something.
>
> Any pointers?
>

i currently approach aws and ec2 in two ways:
- spin up short lived instances on ephemeral disks for specific, 
short-term uses.  for example, running a proxy in ireland or acting as a 
temp R&D playground.

- build a VPC environment for longer-term development.  VPC allows you 
to own your private subnets and keep things more...well private than 
standard ec2 instances.  i usually do this on my companies dime since it 
had added costs.  it is helpful though for doing a full lab buildout for 
R&D (for example wanted to demo a new version of my web+db stack).

the last thing i'll note is that aside from spining up very short lived 
instances for personal use i tend to shy away from ec2 due to how easy 
it is to loose track of costs and get dinged by a bill if you are 
careless (like i often am :).

hope this helps!
-pete



-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
twitter => @nomadlogicLA


From bcallah at devio.us  Fri Aug  8 20:54:25 2014
From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 20:54:25 -0400
Subject: [talk] OpenBSD ports docs
Message-ID: <53E57141.70207@devio.us>

Hi everyone --

Followup from Wednesday night's meeting. Here's links to the OpenBSD FAQ 
section on ports and packages as well as the OpenBSD porter's handbook. 
Remember too there is man page documentation. You'll want to start with 
ports(7), which I've linked below as well, then move on to the other man 
pages in the SEE ALSO section.

~Brian

http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/index.html
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man7/ports.7


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Tue Aug 26 12:08:52 2014
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:08:52 -0400
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD crochet & Chromebooks
Message-ID: <53FCB114.6060407@ceetonetechnology.com>

Just noticed this from a git update:

https://github.com/kientzle/crochet-freebsd/tree/master/board/Chromebook

I've seen a few posts from people running FreeBSD on Chromebooks...
anyone onlist?

Would be curious to hear more.

Just noticed this in dmesgd...

http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=dmesgd&do=view&id=2469

g


From justin at shiningsilence.com  Tue Aug 26 16:52:03 2014
From: justin at shiningsilence.com (Justin Sherrill)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 16:52:03 -0400
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD crochet & Chromebooks
In-Reply-To: <53FCB114.6060407@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <53FCB114.6060407@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <CA+YR8=3QP6C2J2RF2Wa7mNLgymZR+_8FUH1SbG-yTujePUr=gQ@mail.gmail.com>

Answering a slightly different question than you asked: I am
considering buying an Acer Chromebook c720p for DragonFly, since it's
pretty well supported at this point other than sound:

http://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/users/2014-August/128792.html

A bunch of the problems reported there have been fixed.  Adrian
@FreeBSD has been talking about this and other driver stuff on
#dragonflybsd, so this may make it 'over'.

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:08 PM, George Rosamond
<george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
> Just noticed this from a git update:
>
> https://github.com/kientzle/crochet-freebsd/tree/master/board/Chromebook
>
> I've seen a few posts from people running FreeBSD on Chromebooks...
> anyone onlist?
>
> Would be curious to hear more.
>
> Just noticed this in dmesgd...
>
> http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=dmesgd&do=view&id=2469
>
> g
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Tue Aug 26 17:30:10 2014
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:30:10 -0400
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD crochet & Chromebooks
In-Reply-To: <CA+YR8=3QP6C2J2RF2Wa7mNLgymZR+_8FUH1SbG-yTujePUr=gQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53FCB114.6060407@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+YR8=3QP6C2J2RF2Wa7mNLgymZR+_8FUH1SbG-yTujePUr=gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53FCFC62.4000903@ceetonetechnology.com>

Justin Sherrill wrote:
> Answering a slightly different question than you asked: I am
> considering buying an Acer Chromebook c720p for DragonFly, since it's
> pretty well supported at this point other than sound:
> 
> http://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/users/2014-August/128792.html
> 
> A bunch of the problems reported there have been fixed.  Adrian
> @FreeBSD has been talking about this and other driver stuff on
> #dragonflybsd, so this may make it 'over'.
> 

Wow... very interesting.

What is a "noisy" touchpad and touchscreen?

One way to deal with shaky 802.11 is to use a USB wireless with a decent
chipset.

Let us know Justin.

g



From scottro at nyc.rr.com  Tue Aug 26 18:46:31 2014
From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:46:31 -0400
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD crochet & Chromebooks
In-Reply-To: <53FCFC62.4000903@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <53FCB114.6060407@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+YR8=3QP6C2J2RF2Wa7mNLgymZR+_8FUH1SbG-yTujePUr=gQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53FCFC62.4000903@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <20140826224631.GA23375@scott1.scottro.net>

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 05:30:10PM -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
> Justin Sherrill wrote:
> > 
> > http://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/users/2014-August/128792.html
> > 
> > A bunch of the problems reported there have been fixed.  Adrian
> > @FreeBSD has been talking about this and other driver stuff on
> > #dragonflybsd, so this may make it 'over'.
> > 
> 
> Wow... very interesting.
> 
> What is a "noisy" touchpad and touchscreen?
> 
> One way to deal with shaky 802.11 is to use a USB wireless with a decent
> chipset.

George, have you found one that constantly works? When I was trying to find
one, prior to FreeBSD-10 coming out, there weren't very many available.

-- 
Scott Robbins
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From justin at shiningsilence.com  Tue Aug 26 20:56:49 2014
From: justin at shiningsilence.com (Justin Sherrill)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 20:56:49 -0400
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD crochet & Chromebooks
In-Reply-To: <53FCFC62.4000903@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <53FCB114.6060407@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+YR8=3QP6C2J2RF2Wa7mNLgymZR+_8FUH1SbG-yTujePUr=gQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53FCFC62.4000903@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <CA+YR8=20WYXbH8i2c5-nnKZ4Awv+XYV3+th9py_HjarirF45bg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:30 PM, George Rosamond
<george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
> What is a "noisy" touchpad and touchscreen?

My suspicion is that it's a voltage level issue, because the
oversensitive touchpad effect was greatly lessened by going on
battery, as reported on IRC - and there's people talking online of
similar issues in Lenovos that have similar touchpad hardware.

I think this was the fix:
http://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/commits/2014-August/270619.html

> One way to deal with shaky 802.11 is to use a USB wireless with a decent
> chipset.

I'm curious the same as Scott - which are decent, in this case?


From bcallah at devio.us  Tue Aug 26 21:03:44 2014
From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 21:03:44 -0400
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD crochet & Chromebooks
In-Reply-To: <CA+YR8=20WYXbH8i2c5-nnKZ4Awv+XYV3+th9py_HjarirF45bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53FCB114.6060407@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+YR8=3QP6C2J2RF2Wa7mNLgymZR+_8FUH1SbG-yTujePUr=gQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53FCFC62.4000903@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+YR8=20WYXbH8i2c5-nnKZ4Awv+XYV3+th9py_HjarirF45bg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53FD2E70.9020708@devio.us>


On 08/26/14 20:56, Justin Sherrill wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:30 PM, George Rosamond
> <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
>> What is a "noisy" touchpad and touchscreen?
> My suspicion is that it's a voltage level issue, because the
> oversensitive touchpad effect was greatly lessened by going on
> battery, as reported on IRC - and there's people talking online of
> similar issues in Lenovos that have similar touchpad hardware.

Just to toss another data point in: my Lenovo (ThinkPad EDGE E420) will 
become noisy over time. Eventually just hovering my hand over the 
trackpad will cause it to think it's in scroll mode. (eventually is on 
the order of days, but it's still annoying)

> I think this was the fix:
> http://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/commits/2014-August/270619.html
>
>> One way to deal with shaky 802.11 is to use a USB wireless with a decent
>> chipset.
> I'm curious the same as Scott - which are decent, in this case?



From bob at redivi.com  Tue Aug 26 23:44:26 2014
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 20:44:26 -0700
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD crochet & Chromebooks
In-Reply-To: <53FD2E70.9020708@devio.us>
References: <53FCB114.6060407@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+YR8=3QP6C2J2RF2Wa7mNLgymZR+_8FUH1SbG-yTujePUr=gQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53FCFC62.4000903@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+YR8=20WYXbH8i2c5-nnKZ4Awv+XYV3+th9py_HjarirF45bg@mail.gmail.com>
 <53FD2E70.9020708@devio.us>
Message-ID: <CACwMPm8crBDLtpvzPJ5Q0LSTrvYx3+JSVLhrwgfifjakn_6XTg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tuesday, August 26, 2014, Brian Callahan <bcallah at devio.us> wrote:

>
> On 08/26/14 20:56, Justin Sherrill wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 5:30 PM, George Rosamond
>> <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What is a "noisy" touchpad and touchscreen?
>>>
>> My suspicion is that it's a voltage level issue, because the
>> oversensitive touchpad effect was greatly lessened by going on
>> battery, as reported on IRC - and there's people talking online of
>> similar issues in Lenovos that have similar touchpad hardware.
>>
>
> Just to toss another data point in: my Lenovo (ThinkPad EDGE E420) will
> become noisy over time. Eventually just hovering my hand over the trackpad
> will cause it to think it's in scroll mode. (eventually is on the order of
> days, but it's still annoying)
>

I think a lot of the smarts for modern multitouch devices is in software
and not implemented well outside of closed Mac/Windows drivers. Chromebook
might be an exception, I haven't spent much time with one yet.

-bob
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Aug 27 00:06:25 2014
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 00:06:25 -0400
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD crochet & Chromebooks
In-Reply-To: <20140826224631.GA23375@scott1.scottro.net>
References: <53FCB114.6060407@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+YR8=3QP6C2J2RF2Wa7mNLgymZR+_8FUH1SbG-yTujePUr=gQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53FCFC62.4000903@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <20140826224631.GA23375@scott1.scottro.net>
Message-ID: <53FD5941.5070008@ceetonetechnology.com>

Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 05:30:10PM -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
>> Justin Sherrill wrote:
>>>
>>> http://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/users/2014-August/128792.html
>>>
>>> A bunch of the problems reported there have been fixed.  Adrian
>>> @FreeBSD has been talking about this and other driver stuff on
>>> #dragonflybsd, so this may make it 'over'.
>>>
>>
>> Wow... very interesting.
>>
>> What is a "noisy" touchpad and touchscreen?
>>
>> One way to deal with shaky 802.11 is to use a USB wireless with a decent
>> chipset.
> 
> George, have you found one that constantly works? When I was trying to find
> one, prior to FreeBSD-10 coming out, there weren't very many available.
> 

there's tenda which uses run(4) Ralinks available at Microcenter.  I had
been using urtwn (OpenBSD) which were dodgy.

My current bet is to trust run(4) on USB over anything else, including
the stock card.

g


From scottro at nyc.rr.com  Wed Aug 27 07:09:12 2014
From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 07:09:12 -0400
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD crochet & Chromebooks
In-Reply-To: <53FD5941.5070008@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <53FCB114.6060407@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+YR8=3QP6C2J2RF2Wa7mNLgymZR+_8FUH1SbG-yTujePUr=gQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <53FCFC62.4000903@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <20140826224631.GA23375@scott1.scottro.net>
 <53FD5941.5070008@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <20140827110912.GA29694@scott1.scottro.net>

On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 12:06:25AM -0400, George Rosamond wrote:


> Scott Robbins wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 05:30:10PM -0400, George Rosamond wrote:
> >> Justin Sherrill wrote:
> >>>
> >>
> >> One way to deal with shaky 802.11 is to use a USB wireless with a decent
> >> chipset.
> > 
> > George, have you found one that constantly works? When I was trying to find
> > one, prior to FreeBSD-10 coming out, there weren't very many available.
> > 
> 
> there's tenda which uses run(4) Ralinks available at Microcenter.  I had
> been using urtwn (OpenBSD) which were dodgy.
> 

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind.

-- 
Scott Robbins
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From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com  Thu Aug 28 13:12:25 2014
From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Patrick McEvoy)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:12:25 -0400
Subject: [talk] Sept meeting
Message-ID: <53FF62F9.4040608@gmail.com>

Do we have plans for the Sept meeting. I would like to get the word out
/ send a tweet out before the holiday weekend.
Hope all is well.
P


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Thu Aug 28 13:14:48 2014
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:14:48 -0400
Subject: [talk] Sept meeting
In-Reply-To: <53FF62F9.4040608@gmail.com>
References: <53FF62F9.4040608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53FF6388.8090603@ceetonetechnology.com>

Patrick McEvoy wrote:
> Do we have plans for the Sept meeting. I would like to get the word out
> / send a tweet out before the holiday weekend.

Yes... we do.  We are working on the next few meetings.

We still need the title and spiel from the speaker from September...

Thanks for the followup though.

g