From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Dec 1 09:09:02 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:09:02 -0500 Subject: [talk] coreboot Message-ID: <547C767E.1050301@ceetonetechnology.com> I've read a bit online, but wondering about others' real experiences. Anyone use it to boot FreeBSD? OpenBSD? g From pete at nomadlogic.org Mon Dec 1 13:41:23 2014 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:41:23 -0800 Subject: [talk] coreboot In-Reply-To: <547C767E.1050301@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <547C767E.1050301@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <547CB653.7020102@nomadlogic.org> On 12/01/14 06:09, George Rosamond wrote: > I've read a bit online, but wondering about others' real experiences. > > Anyone use it to boot FreeBSD? OpenBSD? > interesting. looks like it is a rebrand/fork of LinuxBIOS and there seems to be a decent wiki. i'd be keen to hear others who have hacked on it. my only concern is how supportable this is until vendors start shipping this from the factory. -p -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Tue Dec 2 10:48:30 2014 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Patrick McEvoy) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 10:48:30 -0500 Subject: [talk] Anyone know if vBSDCon 2015 is happening, and if so when. Message-ID: <547DDF4E.2090508@gmail.com> Anyone know anything on vBSDCon for 2015? P From vmiller at hostileadmin.com Tue Dec 2 20:20:22 2014 From: vmiller at hostileadmin.com (Rick Miller) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 20:20:22 -0500 Subject: [talk] Anyone know if vBSDCon 2015 is happening, and if so when. In-Reply-To: <547DDF4E.2090508@gmail.com> References: <547DDF4E.2090508@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Patrick McEvoy wrote: > Anyone know anything on vBSDCon for 2015? A potential vBSDcon 2015 event is being explored though a decision has yet to be made. -- Take care Rick Miller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From venture37 at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 08:58:17 2014 From: venture37 at gmail.com (Sevan / Venture37) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:58:17 +0000 Subject: [talk] coreboot In-Reply-To: <547C767E.1050301@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <547C767E.1050301@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <547F16F9.80402@gmail.com> On 01/12/2014 14:09, George Rosamond wrote: > I've read a bit online, but wondering about others' real experiences. > > Anyone use it to boot FreeBSD? OpenBSD? Hi, I flashed my Alix2c3 with it, Free & OpenBSD run without issue. I also flashed my ThinkPad X60s, Free/Net/DragonflyBSD (3.8) run without issue, OpenBSD is unable to boot. I lost the ability to PXE boot on both systems as that is an additional step which I've not covered yet. dmesg's amongst this search: http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=dmesgd&fts=coreboot If you're going to try it, assume you're going to brick the board first time & get the necessary components which allow you to get back to a running state. For the Alix that needs a LPC.1a http://pcengines.ch/lpc1a.htm For the ThinkPad X60 you'll need a Pomona 5250 clip and a bus pirate/beaglebone black or Pi. Sadly the process is somewhat reliant on Linux, while you can reflash from a system running BSD, to generate the image & to perform some of the step on the ThinkPad, you'll need to be running Linux. That's not to say it can be made to run on !Linux, it just smacks of gnuism everywhere. I wrote up a post on getting coreboot on the Alix a while back, but the one on the ThinkPad is still sitting in my drafts https://www.geeklan.co.uk/?p=1617 Sevan / Venture37 From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Dec 3 09:37:41 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:37:41 -0500 Subject: [talk] coreboot In-Reply-To: <547F16F9.80402@gmail.com> References: <547C767E.1050301@ceetonetechnology.com> <547F16F9.80402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <547F2035.2090900@ceetonetechnology.com> Sevan / Venture37: > On 01/12/2014 14:09, George Rosamond wrote: >> I've read a bit online, but wondering about others' real experiences. >> >> Anyone use it to boot FreeBSD? OpenBSD? > > Hi, > I flashed my Alix2c3 with it, Free & OpenBSD run without issue. > I also flashed my ThinkPad X60s, Free/Net/DragonflyBSD (3.8) run without > issue, OpenBSD is unable to boot. > I lost the ability to PXE boot on both systems as that is an additional > step which I've not covered yet. > dmesg's amongst this search: > http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=dmesgd&fts=coreboot > > If you're going to try it, assume you're going to brick the board first > time & get the necessary components which allow you to get back to a > running state. > For the Alix that needs a LPC.1a http://pcengines.ch/lpc1a.htm > For the ThinkPad X60 you'll need a Pomona 5250 clip and a bus > pirate/beaglebone black or Pi. > > Sadly the process is somewhat reliant on Linux, while you can reflash > from a system running BSD, to generate the image & to perform some of > the step on the ThinkPad, you'll need to be running Linux. > That's not to say it can be made to run on !Linux, it just smacks of > gnuism everywhere. > > I wrote up a post on getting coreboot on the Alix a while back, but the > one on the ThinkPad is still sitting in my drafts > https://www.geeklan.co.uk/?p=1617 Thanks Sevan. I remembered you were someone playing with it. I have been through the Coreboot wiki a few times, and know others playing with it. There seems to be a lot of ACPI noise, especially on the FreeBSD dmesg. http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=dmesgd&do=view&id=2614 Does ACPI work on any of the builds? Do you notice a difference in operation on any level? Assume there isn't some noticeable increase in performance, right? g From venture37 at gmail.com Wed Dec 3 10:34:54 2014 From: venture37 at gmail.com (Sevan / Venture37) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:34:54 +0000 Subject: [talk] coreboot In-Reply-To: <547F2035.2090900@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <547C767E.1050301@ceetonetechnology.com> <547F16F9.80402@gmail.com> <547F2035.2090900@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <547F2D9E.5010308@gmail.com> On 03/12/2014 14:37, George Rosamond wrote: > There seems to be a lot of ACPI noise, especially on the FreeBSD dmesg. > > http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=dmesgd&do=view&id=2614 > > Does ACPI work on any of the builds? Yes, sleep & wake work > Do you notice a difference in operation on any level? Assume there > isn't some noticeable increase in performance, right? not got down to that, the most important thing for me on the ThinkPad was it removed the PCI whitelist so I could install any wireless adapter I wanted. There's modified versions of the stock BIOS about, but not of the latest release. I don't think coreboot unlocks any new performance features (would be interesting to see if it adds the turbo functionality on the core2duo as per the modified variant of the X61 series BIOS) but I didn't notice any regression. I'd look at it more as what artificial restrictions imposed by vendor does it remove, it would be a killer in the server market imo (imagine servers that didn't take 5+ minutes to POST! or a auditable/sane IPMI (like?) implementation ). The most fun thing is there's a new BIOS image to flash nearly every day! :) Sevan From justin at shiningsilence.com Thu Dec 4 10:22:22 2014 From: justin at shiningsilence.com (Justin Sherrill) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:22:22 -0500 Subject: [talk] Who's built redundant pfsense setups? Message-ID: After last year's NYCBSDCon demo, and after having a Cisco ASA crap out, I'm trying to put together a redundant pfsense setup that handles multiple WANs, NAT, etc. Looking at the pfsense Definitive Guide, it details multi-WAN setups and also how to get multiple switches in there. I think/hope I can figure that out, but I remember ike or someone saying that when you had multiple switches, you needed to make sure they... could share an ARP table? I don't remember exactly, but I was hoping someone here could make a hardware recommendation for what switch to use before my wallet flops out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 13:22:52 2014 From: briancoca+nycbug at gmail.com (Brian Coca) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:22:52 -0500 Subject: [talk] Who's built redundant pfsense setups? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have both setup and inherited (from Ike himself) redundant setups, the switches need a dedicated port to sync to each other (they use pfsync iirc) to maintain connections across failures, I don't remember needing anything special for ARP. Make sure you get a recent version of pfsense as there is a old bug that made failover not work correctly. As for hardware, that depends a lot on your needs, I've used tiny sokeris and big custom multi-nic servers, there is also the open network|compute? the participants have some nice cheap switch hardware, but they mostly linux oriented, you would have to figure out how if the drivers are available on BSD. From venture37 at gmail.com Thu Dec 4 14:34:05 2014 From: venture37 at gmail.com (Sevan / Venture37) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 19:34:05 +0000 Subject: [talk] Who's built redundant pfsense setups? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F8BADCD-A561-465F-B79E-3F17EA9BF9F4@gmail.com> > On 4 Dec 2014, at 15:22, Justin Sherrill wrote: > > think/hope I can figure that out, but I remember ike or someone saying that when you had multiple switches, you needed to make sure they... could share an ARP table? I have a vague memory of what you're referring to but It might be easier if you describe the scenario you're deploying to & how things are currently configured/connected. Assuming a 2 node firewall setup, there's 3 MAC addresses at play per broadcast domain, 1 for the virtual CARP interface which is shared per node & a mac address per physical interface. The key being the CARP interface (you could have the physical interfaces just marked up without an IP address). As long as the routers per wan connection can resolve the mac address of the carp interface (ARP) which should be unique per wan connection, things should just work without having to do anything fancy at layer 2 . So I'd say buy a switch which actually supports STP/RSTP (not "loop protection" as per budget HP grear) & allows the configuration & VLAN's. that should be sufficient. Sevan / Venture37 From mark.saad at ymail.com Thu Dec 4 18:48:31 2014 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:48:31 -0500 Subject: [talk] Inexpensive mips board Message-ID: All In the realm of inexpensive computers here is a $65 mips board . It looks interesting anyone want to give it a try ? http://blog.imgtec.com/powervr/mips-creator-ci20-development-board-now-available --- Mark From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Dec 4 18:52:05 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:52:05 -0500 Subject: [talk] Inexpensive mips board In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5480F3A5.9000009@ceetonetechnology.com> Mark Saad: > All > In the realm of inexpensive computers here is a $65 mips board . It looks interesting anyone want to give it a try ? > > > http://blog.imgtec.com/powervr/mips-creator-ci20-development-board-now-available Interesting... I mean, outside of the fact that it's three years late in coming for there to be MIPS competitors to the RPis and host of other wittle and cheep ARM boards. g From assaf at eml.cc Thu Dec 4 19:01:19 2014 From: assaf at eml.cc (Assaf Rutenberg) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:01:19 -0500 Subject: [talk] Inexpensive mips board In-Reply-To: <5480F3A5.9000009@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5480F3A5.9000009@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: Cool. It have an old Indy that I fire up periodically and I have a soft spot for mips. Pre-ordered a couple and would be happy to hand a few out to anyone interested. Assaf On December 4, 2014 6:52:05 PM EST, George Rosamond wrote: >Mark Saad: >> All >> In the realm of inexpensive computers here is a $65 mips board . It >looks interesting anyone want to give it a try ? >> >> >> >http://blog.imgtec.com/powervr/mips-creator-ci20-development-board-now-available > >Interesting... I mean, outside of the fact that it's three years late >in >coming for there to be MIPS competitors to the RPis and host of other >wittle and cheep ARM boards. > >g > >_______________________________________________ >talk mailing list >talk at lists.nycbug.org >http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pete at nomadlogic.org Thu Dec 4 19:07:47 2014 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 16:07:47 -0800 Subject: [talk] Inexpensive mips board In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5480F753.2060003@nomadlogic.org> On 12/04/14 15:48, Mark Saad wrote: > All > In the realm of inexpensive computers here is a $65 mips board . It looks interesting anyone want to give it a try ? > > > http://blog.imgtec.com/powervr/mips-creator-ci20-development-board-now-available bah - MIPS is interesting - but this is what I'm working on getting my dayjob to expense for me in 2015: http://openpowerfoundation.org/blogs/tyans-openpower-customer-reference-system-now-available/ i'd love to see some more competition to Intel in the DC space! -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From gnn at neville-neil.com Thu Dec 4 23:37:18 2014 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:37:18 -0500 Subject: [talk] Inexpensive mips board In-Reply-To: References: <5480F3A5.9000009@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <52F232D6-5E2F-4F64-9206-B939ABF2DDD7@neville-neil.com> Most of the FreeBSD folks are using EdgeRouters for this stuff: http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/ They're sub $100 and work with FreeBSD. Best, George On 4 Dec 2014, at 19:01, Assaf Rutenberg wrote: > Cool. It have an old Indy that I fire up periodically and I have a > soft spot for mips. Pre-ordered a couple and would be happy to hand a > few out to anyone interested. > > Assaf > > On December 4, 2014 6:52:05 PM EST, George Rosamond > wrote: >> Mark Saad: >>> All >>> In the realm of inexpensive computers here is a $65 mips board . It >> looks interesting anyone want to give it a try ? >>> >>> >>> >> http://blog.imgtec.com/powervr/mips-creator-ci20-development-board-now-available >> >> Interesting... I mean, outside of the fact that it's three years late >> in >> coming for there to be MIPS competitors to the RPis and host of other >> wittle and cheep ARM boards. >> >> g >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my > brevity._______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From mark.saad at ymail.com Fri Dec 5 07:18:51 2014 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:18:51 -0500 Subject: [talk] Inexpensive mips board In-Reply-To: <5480F753.2060003@nomadlogic.org> References: <5480F753.2060003@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <1FCF6083-85EF-4102-84C0-901FE15BD0D4@ymail.com> > On Dec 4, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > > > >> On 12/04/14 15:48, Mark Saad wrote: >> All >> In the realm of inexpensive computers here is a $65 mips board . It looks interesting anyone want to give it a try ? >> >> >> http://blog.imgtec.com/powervr/mips-creator-ci20-development-board-now-available > > bah - MIPS is interesting - but this is what I'm working on getting my > dayjob to expense for me in 2015: > > http://openpowerfoundation.org/blogs/tyans-openpower-customer-reference-system-now-available/ > > i'd love to see some more competition to Intel in the DC space! > > Pete same thoughts here , do you know what the price tag on this setup is ? --- Mark saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > -pete > > -- > Pete Wright > pete at nomadlogic.org > twitter => @nomadlogicLA > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From mark.saad at ymail.com Fri Dec 5 07:23:58 2014 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:23:58 -0500 Subject: [talk] Inexpensive mips board In-Reply-To: <52F232D6-5E2F-4F64-9206-B939ABF2DDD7@neville-neil.com> References: <5480F3A5.9000009@ceetonetechnology.com> <52F232D6-5E2F-4F64-9206-B939ABF2DDD7@neville-neil.com> Message-ID: <9ADD024B-E713-4651-BC4D-837EA9298858@ymail.com> > On Dec 4, 2014, at 11:37 PM, George Neville-Neil wrote: > > Most of the FreeBSD folks are using EdgeRouters for this stuff: > > http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/ > > They're sub $100 and work with FreeBSD. > > Best, > George So where can we find more info about using an edge router with Freebsd ? Also on first glance were there any issues with the board I posted about ? I like the fact it could drive a flat panel or a hdmi screen , but dislike the 1g ram limitation . Mark saad | mark.saad at ymail.com >> On 4 Dec 2014, at 19:01, Assaf Rutenberg wrote: >> >> Cool. It have an old Indy that I fire up periodically and I have a soft spot for mips. Pre-ordered a couple and would be happy to hand a few out to anyone interested. >> >> Assaf >> >>> On December 4, 2014 6:52:05 PM EST, George Rosamond wrote: >>> Mark Saad: >>>> All >>>> In the realm of inexpensive computers here is a $65 mips board . It >>> looks interesting anyone want to give it a try ? >>> http://blog.imgtec.com/powervr/mips-creator-ci20-development-board-now-available >>> >>> Interesting... I mean, outside of the fact that it's three years late >>> in >>> coming for there to be MIPS competitors to the RPis and host of other >>> wittle and cheep ARM boards. >>> >>> g >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk at lists.nycbug.org >>> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity._______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From justin at shiningsilence.com Fri Dec 5 09:36:53 2014 From: justin at shiningsilence.com (Justin Sherrill) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:36:53 -0500 Subject: [talk] Who's built redundant pfsense setups? In-Reply-To: <3F8BADCD-A561-465F-B79E-3F17EA9BF9F4@gmail.com> References: <3F8BADCD-A561-465F-B79E-3F17EA9BF9F4@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: >So I'd say buy a switch which actually supports STP/RSTP (not "loop protection" as per > budget HP grear) & allows the configuration & VLAN's. that should be sufficient. I have a pair of Netgate C2758 units, a 10m link through Time Warner, and a 3m link through Windstream, and a single switch that acts as the gateway for the company. Looking at the docs, and going by what you said, it appears I need: 2 switches talking STP 2 ports on each pfsense device to reach those two switches 1 port on each pfsense device to talk to each other, for pfsync. 1 port on each pfsense device to talk to the inside of the network. I suppose I could eliminate that internal switch as the gateway for the internal network, and point at the virtual IP for the pfsense devices instead, to reduce complexity. From pete at nomadlogic.org Fri Dec 5 13:30:11 2014 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:30:11 -0800 Subject: [talk] Inexpensive mips board In-Reply-To: <1FCF6083-85EF-4102-84C0-901FE15BD0D4@ymail.com> References: <5480F753.2060003@nomadlogic.org> <1FCF6083-85EF-4102-84C0-901FE15BD0D4@ymail.com> Message-ID: <5481F9B3.4020602@nomadlogic.org> On 12/05/14 04:18, Mark Saad wrote: > > >> On Dec 4, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Pete Wright wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 12/04/14 15:48, Mark Saad wrote: >>> All >>> In the realm of inexpensive computers here is a $65 mips board . It looks interesting anyone want to give it a try ? >>> >>> >>> http://blog.imgtec.com/powervr/mips-creator-ci20-development-board-now-available >> >> bah - MIPS is interesting - but this is what I'm working on getting my >> dayjob to expense for me in 2015: >> >> http://openpowerfoundation.org/blogs/tyans-openpower-customer-reference-system-now-available/ >> >> i'd love to see some more competition to Intel in the DC space! >> >> > > Pete same thoughts here , do you know what the price tag on this setup is ? > so they have this deal going on which i'm going to try to push through at my job: http://www.tyan.com/campaign/openpower/ fortunately we have a POP in H.K. so I may be able to swing this deal. if i can get one of these in house i'll keep you all posted on my results of trying to get FreeBSD on it. cheers, -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From venture37 at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 15:35:50 2014 From: venture37 at gmail.com (Sevan / Venture37) Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 20:35:50 +0000 Subject: [talk] Who's built redundant pfsense setups? In-Reply-To: References: <3F8BADCD-A561-465F-B79E-3F17EA9BF9F4@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5 December 2014 at 14:36, Justin Sherrill wrote: > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Sevan / Venture37 wrote: >>So I'd say buy a switch which actually supports STP/RSTP (not "loop protection" as per >> budget HP grear) & allows the configuration & VLAN's. that should be sufficient. > > I have a pair of Netgate C2758 units, a 10m link through Time Warner, > and a 3m link through Windstream, and a single switch that acts as the > gateway for the company. Looking at the docs, and going by what you > said, it appears I need: > > 2 switches talking STP > 2 ports on each pfsense device to reach those two switches > 1 port on each pfsense device to talk to each other, for pfsync. > 1 port on each pfsense device to talk to the inside of the network. > > I suppose I could eliminate that internal switch as the gateway for > the internal network, and point at the virtual IP for the pfsense > devices instead, to reduce complexity. you can share a switch & only utilise a single physical port per firewall per side (1 for external, 1 for internal). each WAN connection connects to a port on the same switch but each port is in a different VLAN. both those VLAN's are tagged on the port each firewalls physical interface is connected to. On the firewalls use vlan(4) interfaces to talk on each WAN connection. Keywords: router on stick, trunk ports / tagged vlans. You could resort to only tagging one VLAN & making the other VLAN untagged per interface but it's better to have them both as tagged as it's cleaner & makes it easier to move things round later. Sevan / Venture37 From ike at blackskyresearch.net Sat Dec 6 16:39:55 2014 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:39:55 -0500 Subject: [talk] Who's built redundant pfsense setups? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1417902003-5564429.49547921.fsB6LduEt015075@rs149.luxsci.com> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:22:22 -0500 Justin Sherrill wrote: > After last year's NYCBSDCon demo, and after having a Cisco ASA crap > out, I'm trying to put together a redundant pfsense setup that > handles multiple WANs, NAT, etc. > > Looking at the pfsense Definitive Guide, it details multi-WAN setups > and also how to get multiple switches in there. I think/hope I can > figure that out, but I remember ike or someone saying that when you > had multiple switches, you needed to make sure they... could share an > ARP table? For the same logical link, (e.g. one WAN upstream), the switches do need to share ARP. Any switch capable of LAGG/LACP/etc... some sort of link aggregation, will first and foremost share ARP between the two physical switches- and become one logical switch. Even inexpensive switches are capable of some form of link aggregation. Adding more than one switch, you'll have to get STP/TRILL or other tech into the mix, and I could certainly share some recent experiences with Brocade/10Gb ethernet fun, but at this point it all gets into serious bucks- and serious planning. For your model, however, it seems that with multiple upstream WAN's, you may be better served by single (unmanaged?) switches connected to the provider uplinks, to allow you to layer CARP failover on top of Multi-WAN connectivity. Inside your network, on your LAN, that's perhaps where 2x LAGG'd switches (acting as one logical switch) would complete redundancy out to your hosts. Your hosts, in turn, could connect redundantly via lagg interfaces (BSD's), or linux bonding. It's already a lot of complexity there :) > > I don't remember exactly, but I was hoping someone here could make a > hardware recommendation for what switch to use before my wallet flops > out. If you don't have to go larger than 2 directly connected switches, your wallet won't get plundered too bad. Add a 3rd switch to your L2 setup, and the cost/complexity shoots up fast. I'm merely going to make a stab at sortof not answering your question: On the Cheap: I dig on the Netgear stuff. They even make small 8 port gigabit switches which have LAGG capabilities. (This is the sort of gear I and my team prototype on- since it fits in a backpack, and on a desk). On the low end of the very high end, just had some excellent experience with Brocade- mostly because their 10Gbit ethernet is way ahead of competitors (in price and specs). Also, Brocades use TRILL over STP which is great for preventing loops/accidents- but it's all not very transparent with their fabric 'magic config'. If your networks are all Gigabit or below, you can really do this whole thing with whatever you want- HP Procurve (gah) will work just fine, Cisco gear is easy to come by used (and Michael Lucas's "Cisco Routers for the Desperate" is a great companion), Juniper gear has a nice FreeBSD shell exposed below JunOS, etc... Hope these anecdotes help, even though I didn't really answer directly here... Best, .ike From bcallah at devio.us Sun Dec 7 22:16:23 2014 From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan) Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:16:23 -0500 Subject: [talk] Spread the holiday cheer: share your *BSD story! Message-ID: <54851807.4090203@devio.us> Hey NYC*BUG and CDBUG (MetaNYBUG?) -- Our friends over at BSD Now ( http://bsdnow.tv/ ) are looking for people to share their stories about how they got into *BSD. See the call for stories here and send yours in (and share them with the lists as well!) http://www.bsdnow.tv/news/2014-11-26_christmas ~Brian From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Dec 10 18:42:17 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:42:17 -0500 Subject: [talk] new ARM board Message-ID: <5488DA59.8050505@ceetonetechnology.com> Yes, from /. Finally a cheap ARM board that has specs as good as an iPhone: http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141578608433&tab_idx=2 Cortex-A5 over BCM sounds nice.. so goodbye RPi? g From justin at shiningsilence.com Wed Dec 10 22:33:11 2014 From: justin at shiningsilence.com (Justin Sherrill) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:33:11 -0500 Subject: [talk] new ARM board In-Reply-To: <5488DA59.8050505@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5488DA59.8050505@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: My pet theory: v7 ARM chips are going to be becoming cheaper overall in the near future. This will be because the demand is going to be for the v8 64-bit chips, so the v7 chips will end up getting pushed out the door in the near term. This is not based on facts or anything. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 6:42 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > Yes, from /. > > Finally a cheap ARM board that has specs as good as an iPhone: > > http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141578608433&tab_idx=2 > > Cortex-A5 over BCM sounds nice.. so goodbye RPi? > > g > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From jun at soum.co.jp Thu Dec 11 01:22:33 2014 From: jun at soum.co.jp (Jun Ebihara) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:22:33 +0900 (JST) Subject: [talk] new ARM board In-Reply-To: References: <5488DA59.8050505@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <20141211.152233.201793808.jun@soum.co.jp> From: Justin Sherrill Subject: Re: [talk] new ARM board Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:33:11 -0500 > My pet theory: v7 ARM chips are going to be becoming cheaper overall > in the near future. This will be because the demand is going to be > for the v8 64-bit chips, so the v7 chips will end up getting pushed > out the door in the near term. Cubieboard2 works well on NetBSD.It has Dual CPU,SATA,HDMI,USBx2. http://www.amazon.com/Cubieboard2-Allwinner-Dual-Core-RasPi-like-Development/dp/B00KZHR83K http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-arm/2014/11/20/msg002738.html https://github.com/ebijun/NetBSD/blob/master/allwinner/dmesg pkgsrc pre-build packages: ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/jun/allwinner/earmv7hf/2015-02-07/ How to make demo image. https://github.com/ebijun/NetBSD/blob/master/allwinner/Image/Makefile -- Jun Ebihara From mike at myownsoho.net Thu Dec 11 19:58:21 2014 From: mike at myownsoho.net (Mike Nichols) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:58:21 -0500 Subject: [talk] new ARM board In-Reply-To: <20141211.152233.201793808.jun@soum.co.jp> References: <5488DA59.8050505@ceetonetechnology.com> <20141211.152233.201793808.jun@soum.co.jp> Message-ID: <2508E397-FA9B-469E-BA3C-AFE5B4AE5AD1@myownsoho.net> On December 11, 2014 1:22:33 AM EST, Jun Ebihara wrote: >From: Justin Sherrill >Subject: Re: [talk] new ARM board >Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:33:11 -0500 > >> My pet theory: v7 ARM chips are going to be becoming cheaper overall >> in the near future. This will be because the demand is going to be >> for the v8 64-bit chips, so the v7 chips will end up getting pushed >> out the door in the near term. > >Cubieboard2 works well on NetBSD.It has Dual CPU,SATA,HDMI,USBx2. > >http://www.amazon.com/Cubieboard2-Allwinner-Dual-Core-RasPi-like-Development/dp/B00KZHR83K > >http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-arm/2014/11/20/msg002738.html > >https://github.com/ebijun/NetBSD/blob/master/allwinner/dmesg > >pkgsrc pre-build packages: >ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/jun/allwinner/earmv7hf/2015-02-07/ > >How to make demo image. >https://github.com/ebijun/NetBSD/blob/master/allwinner/Image/Makefile > >-- >Jun Ebihara >_______________________________________________ >talk mailing list >talk at lists.nycbug.org >http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk That's sooo cool. I love these guys. I have the xu3 and its great! Exynos A15 processor runs nice. This one's great. I had debated getting the u3 for home entertainment, but it didn't make use of the eMMC, this one does. The -"W" was at the price point i wanted, but didn't have onboard anything. Def. picking one up soon! if anyone else decides to, i highly recommend going for the eMMC 5.0 memory. they're worth it. Comparatively, it is to microSD, what SSD is compared to HDD. -- Sent from my Android device. MIke Nichols +1 347 725-1661 Mike at myownsoho.net . From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Dec 12 13:47:26 2014 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:47:26 -0500 Subject: [talk] 2015 monthly meetings Message-ID: <548B383E.2030902@ceetonetechnology.com> While we have a few meetings we're working on for 2015, it's a good time to send out a broad query to those in and beyond NYC for potential meetings. In particular, NYC is a city a lot of remote developers/admins visit. If you happen to be coming to NYC in the foreseeable future and are interested in doing a meeting, please ping admin@ with your idea and timeframe. While we are pretty strict about only having our monthly meetings on the first Wednesday of the month, we will certainly entertain additional meetings on other days. Needless to say, this email should be forwarded beyond talk@ if deemed relevant. g From billtotman at billtotman.com Mon Dec 15 11:30:11 2014 From: billtotman at billtotman.com (Bill Totman) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:30:11 -0500 Subject: [talk] T42 - Thinkpad T62 - Burned Out LCD Lamp - Works Otherwise Message-ID: If anyone is interested in a T42 for parts or otherwise, I have one to give away. Everything but the LCD lamp functions. The hard drive has been removed but the mount and mounting screws are present. Don?t remember how much RAM is present, but it?s at least 1GB. While the battery functions, I know not how well nor for how long. The power adapter also functions. But, wait! there?s more: If you act today, you can get a gen-u-ine docking station to go with it. In fact, you can have anything else unless you take the docking station with it - that is: all or nothing! Happy Holidays! -bt P.S. You?ll also receive, at no price, a custom Gimme! (TM) Coffee sticker - while supplies last. From billtotman at billtotman.com Mon Dec 15 11:42:59 2014 From: billtotman at billtotman.com (Bill Totman) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:42:59 -0500 Subject: [talk] T42 - Thinkpad T62 - Burned Out LCD Lamp - Works Otherwise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75DAC8CE-576E-47CE-B3EC-B4856A9D7692@billtotman.com> Cool. Taking it offline. -bt > On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:37, Mark Phelan wrote: > > hi i could pick it up any evening > this week. thanks, mark 347-725-1237 > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Bill Totman wrote: >> If anyone is interested in a T42 for parts or otherwise, I have one to give away. >> >> Everything but the LCD lamp functions. >> >> The hard drive has been removed but the mount and mounting screws are present. >> >> Don?t remember how much RAM is present, but it?s at least 1GB. >> >> While the battery functions, I know not how well nor for how long. >> >> The power adapter also functions. >> >> But, wait! there?s more: >> >> If you act today, you can get a gen-u-ine docking station to go with it. >> >> In fact, you can have anything else unless you take the docking station with it - that is: all or nothing! >> >> >> Happy Holidays! >> >> -bt >> >> P.S. You?ll also receive, at no price, a custom Gimme! (TM) Coffee sticker - while supplies last. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > > -- > http://www.zeitgeistmovingforward.com/ From scottro at nyc.rr.com Sun Dec 28 11:00:15 2014 From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:00:15 -0500 Subject: [talk] GhostBSD Message-ID: <20141228160015.GB3474@scott1.scottro.net> I had never played with GhostBSD--it came up in a conversation on FreeBSD forums. It was inspired, says the main creator, by FreeSBIE, which I used, (as well as Frenzy), back in the day. It has a Mate desktop and a lot of things seemed to work out of the box. Though most of us always recommend PCBSD, GhostBSD's DVD can work as a live system and seems more responsive. It seems to be a one man project, but at any rate, it does seem to be a good advocacy tool, possibly a better one than PCBSD. Advocacy is always a bit of a two edged sword. I'd love to see all the BSDs get more market share, but then one worries that they're start catering to those who insist upon GUI installers. Still, it does seem worth mentioning this, because it doesn't seem to get a lot of attention, and even has a 32 bit edition. I've only played with it in VirtualBox, but I should probably see if it easily installs next to a Linux installation, as it's usually Linux users who are looking to try a BSD. (Hrrm--at least it seems that way, but don't ask me for statistics). Anyway, hope everyone is enjoying their holiday season, and thanks to all who help on this list. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 From skreuzer at exit2shell.com Mon Dec 29 23:04:32 2014 From: skreuzer at exit2shell.com (Steven Kreuzer) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:04:32 -0500 Subject: [talk] OT: Bell Works Message-ID: <746AFB26-A88F-4005-BAE1-4D4C0D5CF5BA@exit2shell.com> "Marking a new chapter for one of the country?s most architecturally and historically significant buildings, Somerset Development has announced a new name for the iconic former Bell Labs complex in Holmdel, N.J. The two-million-square-foot building ? now named Bell Works ? is currently undergoing a more than $100-million adaptive reuse redevelopment that will transform the facility into a dynamic mixed-use center.? http://patch.com/new-jersey/holmdel-hazlet/somerset-development-unveils-bell-works-mixeduse-center--in-holmdel-nj http://bell.works/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The two-million-square-foot building ? now named Bell Works ? is currently undergoing a more than $100-million adaptive reuse redevelopment that will transform the facility into a dynamic mixed-use center.? > > http://patch.com/new-jersey/holmdel-hazlet/somerset-development-unveils-bell-works-mixeduse-center--in-holmdel-nj > > http://bell.works/ Mark my words , a future 2015 headline will read " greedy land developers go bankrupt in somerset bell labs redevelopment project ". This looks like project Xanadu . http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream_Meadowlands Mark saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > _______________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pete at nomadlogic.org Tue Dec 30 01:25:50 2014 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:25:50 -0800 Subject: [talk] OT: Bell Works In-Reply-To: <746AFB26-A88F-4005-BAE1-4D4C0D5CF5BA@exit2shell.com> References: <746AFB26-A88F-4005-BAE1-4D4C0D5CF5BA@exit2shell.com> Message-ID: <54A2456E.3070708@nomadlogic.org> On 12/29/14 8:04 PM, Steven Kreuzer wrote: > "Marking a new chapter for one of the country?s most architecturally and > historically significant buildings, Somerset Development has announced a > new name for the iconic former Bell Labs complex in Holmdel, N.J. The > two-million-square-foot building ? now named Bell Works ? is currently > undergoing a more than $100-million adaptive reuse redevelopment that > will transform the facility into a dynamic mixed-use center.? > > http://patch.com/new-jersey/holmdel-hazlet/somerset-development-unveils-bell-works-mixeduse-center--in-holmdel-nj > > http://bell.works/ :( -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA