From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sun Jan  4 12:07:11 2015
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:07:11 -0500
Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG upcoming meetings
Message-ID: <54A9733F.8020009@ceetonetechnology.com>

It looks like we have a new spot for meetings comparable to the
environment provided by Suspenders: Stone Creek at 140 E 27th Street
between 3rd and Lexington (stonecreeknyc.com)

It's a small bar with a good sized, private backroom.

There's a digital projector, plenty of seating and tables, and the usual
bar fare.

However, we will not be meeting on the first Wednesday for January and
February, but should be back to it for March 4.

January's meeting will be on the 13th, the second Tuesday.

February's meeting will be on the 10th, also the second Tuesday.

I'm optimistic this spot will work out nicely for us.  It's a few block
walk from the 6 train.

I strongly suggest others check out Stone Creek.  If you're interested
in checking it out this Wednesday, ping me offlist.

Big thanks to Eric for finding it... it's been tough!

g


From pete at nomadlogic.org  Tue Jan  6 17:15:03 2015
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 14:15:03 -0800
Subject: [talk] netgraph use-cases
Message-ID: <54AC5E67.2080400@nomadlogic.org>

hey there - anyone using netgraph for dev or production out there?  i'd
be keen to hear about any usecases where it was found to be helpful.

for those unfamiliar here is a paper about netgraph on FreeBSD via the
netbsd site:

http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/presentations/ast/2012_AsiaBSDCon/Tutorial_NETGRAPH.pdf

-pete

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
twitter => @nomadlogicLA



From mark.saad at ymail.com  Tue Jan  6 17:44:19 2015
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 17:44:19 -0500
Subject: [talk] netgraph use-cases
In-Reply-To: <54AC5E67.2080400@nomadlogic.org>
References: <54AC5E67.2080400@nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <780091FF-FB6A-4E01-9872-95E63626D22B@ymail.com>


> On Jan 6, 2015, at 5:15 PM, Pete Wright <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:
> 
> hey there - anyone using netgraph for dev or production out there?  i'd
> be keen to hear about any usecases where it was found to be helpful.
> 

The first thing that comes to mind is virtualbox . It's using ng_either and iirc ng_bridge to allow vms to talk on the hosts physical network in various configs . 

I think Isilon used ng_one_to_many for some of the older redundant network setups . But it's been replaced by lagg now .

Mark 


> for those unfamiliar here is a paper about netgraph on FreeBSD via the
> netbsd site:
> 
> http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/presentations/ast/2012_AsiaBSDCon/Tutorial_NETGRAPH.pdf
> 
> -pete
> 
> -- 
> Pete Wright
> pete at nomadlogic.org
> twitter => @nomadlogicLA
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Jan  7 09:50:32 2015
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:50:32 -0500
Subject: [talk] Fwd: [announce] NYC*BUG: Meeting Date moved for January
Message-ID: <54AD47B8.2000407@ceetonetechnology.com>

Important announce@ post.  If you're not on announce@, you should subscribe.


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [announce] NYC*BUG: Meeting Date moved for January
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:46:50 -0500
From: NYC*BUG Announcements <announce at lists.nycbug.org>
Reply-To: announce at lists.nycbug.org
To: announce at lists.nycbug.org

Reminder that there is no NYC*BUG meeting tonight, and that it will
happen on Tuesday, January 13th.  The new location is Stone Creek Bar &
Lounge located at 140 E 27th Street just east of Lexington Avenue in
Manhattan.  There is a private backroom with full facilities.

The January 13th meeting will be:

Designing Versatile Unix Utilities, Eric Radman
18:45
Stone Creek Bar & Lounge: 140 E 27th St (www.stonecreeknyc.com)
Notice: day and location change

Abstract

Designing versatile utilities for Unix-like systems requires attention
to specific concerns and involves specific disciplines.

This talk aims to highlight the key concerns in play during the
development of entrproject.org that are applicable for anyone who
endeavors to develop tooling that establishes more effective paradigms
for working on *BSD.

Speaker Bio

Eric has been building and supporting in-house and public-facing
Internet services on BSD and Linux for more than 13 years. His most
significant endeavors have centered on eradicating operational
dissonance between services by writing new applications or restructuring
existing network services to take advantage of common data marshaled by
PostgreSQL. For nearly 5 years he has also functioned as apologist for
the use of built-in self-tests and test-driven development.

Eric refuses to believe that the ThinkPad keyboard is dead,
notwithstanding abundant evidence that it has been replaced. Although he
has never been an outstanding writer, he considers composing essays and
to be essential and a compelling reason to be up before sunrise. Select
journal entries can be found on his home page at http://eradman.com/.

****

February meeting will be on February 10th.  Topic is TBA.

In March, we return to the first Wednesday of the month with the meeting
on March 4th.  That meeting will be the book launch with George
Neville-Neil on "The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating
System."
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Tue Jan 13 07:36:30 2015
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 07:36:30 -0500
Subject: [talk] Fwd: [announce] NYC*BUG Tonight: Designing Versatile Unix
	Utilities
Message-ID: <54B5114E.2070107@ceetonetechnology.com>

Everyone should be on the announce@, but if you're not...


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [announce] NYC*BUG Tonight: Designing Versatile Unix Utilities
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 07:34:05 -0500
From: NYC*BUG Announcements <announce at lists.nycbug.org>


Tuesday, January 13, 645 PM
Designing Versatile Unix Utilities, Eric Radman
Stone Creek Bar & Lounge backroom: 140 E 27th St just east of Lexington
Notice: day and location change
RSVPs are not required

Abstract

Designing versatile utilities for Unix-like systems requires attention
to specific concerns and involves specific disciplines.

This talk aims to highlight the key concerns in play during the
development of entrproject.org that are applicable for anyone who
endeavors to develop tooling that establishes more effective paradigms
for working on *BSD.

Speaker Bio

Eric has been building and supporting in-house and public-facing
Internet services on BSD and Linux for more than 13 years. His most
significant endeavors have centered on eradicating operational
dissonance between services by writing new applications or restructuring
existing network services to take advantage of common data marshaled by
PostgreSQL. For nearly 5 years he has also functioned as apologist for
the use of built-in self-tests and test-driven development.

Eric refuses to believe that the ThinkPad keyboard is dead,
notwithstanding abundant evidence that it has been replaced. Although he
has never been an outstanding writer, he considers composing essays and
to be essential and a compelling reason to be up before sunrise. Select
journal entries can be found on his home page at http://eradman.com/.
_______________________________________________
announce mailing list
announce at lists.nycbug.org
http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/announce




From okan at demirmen.com  Tue Jan 13 07:43:03 2015
From: okan at demirmen.com (Okan Demirmen)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 07:43:03 -0500
Subject: [talk] Fwd: [announce] NYC*BUG Tonight: Designing Versatile
 Unix Utilities
In-Reply-To: <54B5114E.2070107@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <54B5114E.2070107@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <20150113124303.GA20284@carbon.khaoz.org>

On Tue 2015.01.13 at 07:36 -0500, George Rosamond wrote:
> Everyone should be on the announce@, but if you're not...

[open can]

Any reason why we don't just use talk@ for announcements since it's fairly low
volume? And it gives an opportunity for discussion and feedback directly to
announcements directly on talk@ (since the announce list is read-only for the
community).

[leave can slightly ajar...]

> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: [announce] NYC*BUG Tonight: Designing Versatile Unix Utilities
> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 07:34:05 -0500
> From: NYC*BUG Announcements <announce at lists.nycbug.org>
> 
> 
> Tuesday, January 13, 645 PM
> Designing Versatile Unix Utilities, Eric Radman
> Stone Creek Bar & Lounge backroom: 140 E 27th St just east of Lexington
> Notice: day and location change
> RSVPs are not required
> 
> Abstract
> 
> Designing versatile utilities for Unix-like systems requires attention
> to specific concerns and involves specific disciplines.
> 
> This talk aims to highlight the key concerns in play during the
> development of entrproject.org that are applicable for anyone who
> endeavors to develop tooling that establishes more effective paradigms
> for working on *BSD.
> 
> Speaker Bio
> 
> Eric has been building and supporting in-house and public-facing
> Internet services on BSD and Linux for more than 13 years. His most
> significant endeavors have centered on eradicating operational
> dissonance between services by writing new applications or restructuring
> existing network services to take advantage of common data marshaled by
> PostgreSQL. For nearly 5 years he has also functioned as apologist for
> the use of built-in self-tests and test-driven development.
> 
> Eric refuses to believe that the ThinkPad keyboard is dead,
> notwithstanding abundant evidence that it has been replaced. Although he
> has never been an outstanding writer, he considers composing essays and
> to be essential and a compelling reason to be up before sunrise. Select
> journal entries can be found on his home page at http://eradman.com/.
> _______________________________________________
> announce mailing list
> announce at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/announce
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk


From zippy1981 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 21:55:22 2015
From: zippy1981 at gmail.com (Justin Dearing)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:55:22 -0500
Subject: [talk] Fwd: [announce] NYC*BUG Tonight: Designing Versatile
	Unix Utilities
In-Reply-To: <20150113124303.GA20284@carbon.khaoz.org>
References: <54B5114E.2070107@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <20150113124303.GA20284@carbon.khaoz.org>
Message-ID: <CABsCM1Mj5Wu3EF_ZH-eErUeDwoub45O1DGoGeCz+GFa8FgoD6Q@mail.gmail.com>

In a stackexchange world this really makes sense.
On Jan 13, 2015 8:42 AM, "Okan Demirmen" <okan at demirmen.com> wrote:

> On Tue 2015.01.13 at 07:36 -0500, George Rosamond wrote:
> > Everyone should be on the announce@, but if you're not...
>
> [open can]
>
> Any reason why we don't just use talk@ for announcements since it's
> fairly low
> volume? And it gives an opportunity for discussion and feedback directly to
> announcements directly on talk@ (since the announce list is read-only for
> the
> community).
>
> [leave can slightly ajar...]
>
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > Subject: [announce] NYC*BUG Tonight: Designing Versatile Unix Utilities
> > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 07:34:05 -0500
> > From: NYC*BUG Announcements <announce at lists.nycbug.org>
> >
> >
> > Tuesday, January 13, 645 PM
> > Designing Versatile Unix Utilities, Eric Radman
> > Stone Creek Bar & Lounge backroom: 140 E 27th St just east of Lexington
> > Notice: day and location change
> > RSVPs are not required
> >
> > Abstract
> >
> > Designing versatile utilities for Unix-like systems requires attention
> > to specific concerns and involves specific disciplines.
> >
> > This talk aims to highlight the key concerns in play during the
> > development of entrproject.org that are applicable for anyone who
> > endeavors to develop tooling that establishes more effective paradigms
> > for working on *BSD.
> >
> > Speaker Bio
> >
> > Eric has been building and supporting in-house and public-facing
> > Internet services on BSD and Linux for more than 13 years. His most
> > significant endeavors have centered on eradicating operational
> > dissonance between services by writing new applications or restructuring
> > existing network services to take advantage of common data marshaled by
> > PostgreSQL. For nearly 5 years he has also functioned as apologist for
> > the use of built-in self-tests and test-driven development.
> >
> > Eric refuses to believe that the ThinkPad keyboard is dead,
> > notwithstanding abundant evidence that it has been replaced. Although he
> > has never been an outstanding writer, he considers composing essays and
> > to be essential and a compelling reason to be up before sunrise. Select
> > journal entries can be found on his home page at http://eradman.com/.
> > _______________________________________________
> > announce mailing list
> > announce at lists.nycbug.org
> > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/announce
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > talk mailing list
> > talk at lists.nycbug.org
> > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Jan 14 15:12:15 2015
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:12:15 -0500
Subject: [talk] meeting last night and more
Message-ID: <54B6CD9F.3020501@ceetonetechnology.com>

Just a quick note.

Eric gave a great presentation.  The space was packed.  It was our
biggest meeting in a long time.  Great discussion, a bunch of new
people.  And importantly, a lot of people hung out afterwards.

Feedback on the space appreciated.

Also, Digital Ocean officially announced FreeBSD as a service today.

Neal Shrader, the DO developer, was at the meeting last night.

He is also speaking next Tuesday on the process, in addition to someone
from the FreeBSD end.  I saw Neal's presentation outline, and it will be
a technical talk, covering the design and implementation.  We'll
announce officially in the next day or so.

I think it's a big deal.  There was actually a strong public push to
support FreeBSD, and while many of us are 'bare-metal' users and
advocates, VM services of all sorts and sizes end up being the 'gateway
drug' for a lot of people who want to play with an OS on the live internet.

g


From bcallah at devio.us  Wed Jan 14 16:28:43 2015
From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:28:43 -0500
Subject: [talk] Going to Shmoo? Meet some good RPI students!
Message-ID: <54B6DF8B.8060208@devio.us>

Hey everyone --

If you're going to be at Shmoocon, a bunch of students from the RPI
computer security club (RPISEC, where I gave an OpenBSD talk last
semester) will be there. Sadly, I won't be there. But there should be
some good cross-group exchange. Make it happen!

~Brian


From justin at shiningsilence.com  Wed Jan 14 16:44:02 2015
From: justin at shiningsilence.com (Justin Sherrill)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:44:02 -0500
Subject: [talk] meeting last night and more
In-Reply-To: <54B6CD9F.3020501@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <54B6CD9F.3020501@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <CA+YR8=3yHDL-TE_AL0H9s8X8nEmQLEgMarMy4jwDebGgWc4tpQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:12 PM, George Rosamond
<george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
> Neal Shrader, the DO developer, was at the meeting last night.
>
> He is also speaking next Tuesday on the process, in addition to someone
> from the FreeBSD end.

Speaking where?  The next NYCBUG meeting is in February.


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Jan 14 17:19:23 2015
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 17:19:23 -0500
Subject: [talk] meeting last night and more
In-Reply-To: <CA+YR8=3yHDL-TE_AL0H9s8X8nEmQLEgMarMy4jwDebGgWc4tpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54B6CD9F.3020501@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+YR8=3yHDL-TE_AL0H9s8X8nEmQLEgMarMy4jwDebGgWc4tpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B6EB6B.5090007@ceetonetechnology.com>

Justin Sherrill:
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:12 PM, George Rosamond
> <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
>> Neal Shrader, the DO developer, was at the meeting last night.
>>
>> He is also speaking next Tuesday on the process, in addition to someone
>> from the FreeBSD end.
> 
> Speaking where?  The next NYCBUG meeting is in February.
> 

It's not our meeting... it's a Digital Ocean launch meeting.

GNN is likely speaking from our end.

g


From gnn at neville-neil.com  Wed Jan 14 17:22:44 2015
From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 17:22:44 -0500
Subject: [talk] meeting last night and more
In-Reply-To: <54B6EB6B.5090007@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <54B6CD9F.3020501@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <CA+YR8=3yHDL-TE_AL0H9s8X8nEmQLEgMarMy4jwDebGgWc4tpQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <54B6EB6B.5090007@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <A5EC94AA-402E-4AC4-ABCD-15012E2E0528@neville-neil.com>

On 14 Jan 2015, at 17:19, George Rosamond wrote:

> Justin Sherrill:
>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:12 PM, George Rosamond
>> <george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:
>>> Neal Shrader, the DO developer, was at the meeting last night.
>>>
>>> He is also speaking next Tuesday on the process, in addition to someone
>>> from the FreeBSD end.
>>
>> Speaking where?  The next NYCBUG meeting is in February.
>>
>
> It's not our meeting... it's a Digital Ocean launch meeting.
>
> GNN is likely speaking from our end.
>

Yes, I am.

Best,
George


From mark.saad at ymail.com  Thu Jan 15 18:40:51 2015
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 18:40:51 -0500
Subject: [talk] Jetpack
Message-ID: <825EE844-A8DF-4870-8BA2-7C32486B3F0B@ymail.com>

All
  I just saw this on ycombinator. It's a jails based application container . 

https://github.com/3ofcoins/jetpack

Looks interesting. 

---
Mark saad | mark.saad at ymail.com 


From ike at blackskyresearch.net  Fri Jan 16 15:52:52 2015
From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac Levy)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 15:52:52 -0500
Subject: [talk] Going to Shmoo? Meet some good RPI students!
In-Reply-To: <54B6DF8B.8060208@devio.us>
References: <54B6DF8B.8060208@devio.us>
Message-ID: <1421441582-1958749.95193348.ft0GKqsbG026127@rs149.luxsci.com>

sent from my handheld

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Brian Callahan <bcallah at devio.us> wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone --
> 
> If you're going to be at Shmoocon, a bunch of students from the RPI
> computer security club (RPISEC, where I gave an OpenBSD talk last
> semester) will be there. Sadly, I won't be there. But there should be
> some good cross-group exchange. Make it happen!
> 
> ~Brian

I'll be there! Pulling in now-

I'm wearing a puffy/obsd sweatshirt, I have a beard.  How will I identify these folks?

Rocket-
.ike




From mspitzer at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 15:21:36 2015
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 15:21:36 -0500
Subject: [talk] Jetpack
In-Reply-To: <825EE844-A8DF-4870-8BA2-7C32486B3F0B@ymail.com>
References: <825EE844-A8DF-4870-8BA2-7C32486B3F0B@ymail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+qr9e69PjUdWmc-8zGN3ucV0isTLXU5W90xP3xKQz8B=6FLQw@mail.gmail.com>

That it does.

Marc

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Mark Saad <mark.saad at ymail.com> wrote:

> All
>   I just saw this on ycombinator. It's a jails based application container
> .
>
> https://github.com/3ofcoins/jetpack
>
> Looks interesting.
>
> ---
> Mark saad | mark.saad at ymail.com
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



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From pete at nomadlogic.org  Tue Jan 20 13:37:50 2015
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:37:50 -0800
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD and Vagrant
Message-ID: <54BEA07E.9020307@nomadlogic.org>

not sure if anyone else caught this in the latest freebsd quarterly report:

https://github.com/so14k/packer-freebsd

it's a tool to create vagrant images of freebsd systems.  i think
vagrant is actually a pretty good tool for sysadmin's to have in their
tool belt as it allows you to give more responsibility back to
developers.  for example i know several OSS projects who make it easy to
test their code on linux vagrant images that devs can run on their
laptops with out having to install and configure an os image.

i'm going to give this a spin and see if i can use this as a method to
freebsd into more dev's hands, might be a good method to backdoor some
freebsd systems into linux shops :)

-pete

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
twitter => @nomadlogicLA



From bonsaime at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 14:50:37 2015
From: bonsaime at gmail.com (Jesse Callaway)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:50:37 -0500
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD and Vagrant
In-Reply-To: <54BEA07E.9020307@nomadlogic.org>
References: <54BEA07E.9020307@nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <CAJU5ZBOL-Ky8u3o_1QjPeH4Zt2MmCyE2bkzE7DWaEQ7jR3zkWw@mail.gmail.com>

Surely nothing can top these recent posts of entr, jetpack, and packer
support... an admin coudn't be happier.

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Pete Wright <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:

> not sure if anyone else caught this in the latest freebsd quarterly report:
>
> https://github.com/so14k/packer-freebsd
>
> it's a tool to create vagrant images of freebsd systems.  i think
> vagrant is actually a pretty good tool for sysadmin's to have in their
> tool belt as it allows you to give more responsibility back to
> developers.  for example i know several OSS projects who make it easy to
> test their code on linux vagrant images that devs can run on their
> laptops with out having to install and configure an os image.
>
> i'm going to give this a spin and see if i can use this as a method to
> freebsd into more dev's hands, might be a good method to backdoor some
> freebsd systems into linux shops :)
>
> -pete
>
> --
> Pete Wright
> pete at nomadlogic.org
> twitter => @nomadlogicLA
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



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From seliopou at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 15:21:01 2015
From: seliopou at gmail.com (Spiros Eliopoulos)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:21:01 -0500
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD and Vagrant
In-Reply-To: <54BEA07E.9020307@nomadlogic.org>
References: <54BEA07E.9020307@nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <CAEkQQgL8DOAkbBH0=B-JGcF=sOvQYT9vDaL7c1dStxuqBhorHg@mail.gmail.com>

For similar build instructions that don't require packer, check out this
repo:

  https://github.com/wunki/vagrant-freebsd

There are in fact some FreeBSD images floating around that were built using
those instructions. You can find those, and other prebuilt *BSD boxes, here:

  http://www.vagrantbox.es/



On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Pete Wright <pete at nomadlogic.org> wrote:

> not sure if anyone else caught this in the latest freebsd quarterly report:
>
> https://github.com/so14k/packer-freebsd
>
> it's a tool to create vagrant images of freebsd systems.  i think
> vagrant is actually a pretty good tool for sysadmin's to have in their
> tool belt as it allows you to give more responsibility back to
> developers.  for example i know several OSS projects who make it easy to
> test their code on linux vagrant images that devs can run on their
> laptops with out having to install and configure an os image.
>
> i'm going to give this a spin and see if i can use this as a method to
> freebsd into more dev's hands, might be a good method to backdoor some
> freebsd systems into linux shops :)
>
> -pete
>
> --
> Pete Wright
> pete at nomadlogic.org
> twitter => @nomadlogicLA
>
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
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From pete at nomadlogic.org  Tue Jan 20 15:25:28 2015
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 12:25:28 -0800
Subject: [talk] FreeBSD and Vagrant
In-Reply-To: <CAEkQQgL8DOAkbBH0=B-JGcF=sOvQYT9vDaL7c1dStxuqBhorHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54BEA07E.9020307@nomadlogic.org>
 <CAEkQQgL8DOAkbBH0=B-JGcF=sOvQYT9vDaL7c1dStxuqBhorHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54BEB9B8.5020807@nomadlogic.org>

<please don't top-post>

On 01/20/15 12:21, Spiros Eliopoulos wrote:
> For similar build instructions that don't require packer, check out this
> repo:
> 
>   https://github.com/wunki/vagrant-freebsd
> 
> There are in fact some FreeBSD images floating around that were built
> using those instructions. You can find those, and other prebuilt *BSD
> boxes, here:
> 
>   http://www.vagrantbox.es/
> 

this is great, thanks Spiros I'll def take a look at this.

cheers,
-pete

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
twitter => @nomadlogicLA



From mark.saad at ymail.com  Tue Jan 20 22:29:19 2015
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 22:29:19 -0500
Subject: [talk] Open source laptop
Message-ID: <D66A3CB6-F2FE-4A2A-B0B0-BA58B58781B0@ymail.com>

> Hi Talk
>  I saw this today on  slashdot and somewhere else, either way . It has
> some interesting bits but I was 1/2 expecting it to be a ARM and not an
> intel x86 isa.  What are you thoughts on why no one has built a arm
> laptop in this market with more then 2G of ram and a decent amount of
> internal storage
> 
> https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/

---
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From sjt.kar at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 05:04:03 2015
From: sjt.kar at gmail.com (Sujit K M)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:34:03 +0530
Subject: [talk] Open source laptop
In-Reply-To: <D66A3CB6-F2FE-4A2A-B0B0-BA58B58781B0@ymail.com>
References: <D66A3CB6-F2FE-4A2A-B0B0-BA58B58781B0@ymail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOPOgtC5MeZ_5YO08-sZ97Pwqos=db1J2VQKLVmRgdYywJtT4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

>  I saw this today on  slashdot and somewhere else, either way . It has
> some interesting bits but I was 1/2 expecting it to be a ARM and not an
> intel x86 isa.  What are you thoughts on why no one has built a arm
> laptop in this market with more then 2G of ram and a decent amount of
> internal storage

Something like this. When I used ARM7V and ARM9V there was a crazy
concept like bogo mips which is the number of cycles the processor cannot
guarentee process anything. What I found was It causes performance hits
when you add Memory/Storage etc. But I am not sure about this. Even
I had raised a thread where I wanted to know about ARM Tablets @talk,
eventually If that can be broadened to an ARM Processor with laptop capability.
Even I am interested in owning a ARM Laptop. But cost might be the other
thing too.


From mark.saad at ymail.com  Wed Jan 21 09:01:15 2015
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 09:01:15 -0500
Subject: [talk] Open source laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAOPOgtC5MeZ_5YO08-sZ97Pwqos=db1J2VQKLVmRgdYywJtT4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D66A3CB6-F2FE-4A2A-B0B0-BA58B58781B0@ymail.com>
 <CAOPOgtC5MeZ_5YO08-sZ97Pwqos=db1J2VQKLVmRgdYywJtT4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58BB1967-962C-49FA-85CB-8EA1F9011B45@ymail.com>


> On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:04 AM, Sujit K M <sjt.kar at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
>> I saw this today on  slashdot and somewhere else, either way . It has
>> some interesting bits but I was 1/2 expecting it to be a ARM and not an
>> intel x86 isa.  What are you thoughts on why no one has built a arm
>> laptop in this market with more then 2G of ram and a decent amount of
>> internal storage
> 
> Something like this. When I used ARM7V and ARM9V there was a crazy
> concept like bogo mips which is the number of cycles the processor cannot
> guarentee process anything. What I found was It causes performance hits
> when you add Memory/Storage etc. But I am not sure about this. Even
> I had raised a thread where I wanted to know about ARM Tablets @talk,
> eventually If that can be broadened to an ARM Processor with laptop capability.
> Even I am interested in owning a ARM Laptop. But cost might be the other
> thing too.

There has to be something to putting more then 2g of ram on a 32bit arm . This is purely anecdotal but if you check aliababa for arm gear it's all 2g of ram or less . Now this could be the market is targeting android and derived designs so there isn't any demand for it . However iirc the Samsung chrome laptop (the arm variety) is also 2g of ram .  Maybe there is some issue we aren't aware of . In any case I would like to try an non-android arm laptop, that Is a laptop not a weird tablet thingy or a glorified media player . 

--
Mark saad | mark.saad at ymail.com


From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Wed Jan 21 09:06:47 2015
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 09:06:47 -0500
Subject: [talk] Open source laptop
In-Reply-To: <58BB1967-962C-49FA-85CB-8EA1F9011B45@ymail.com>
References: <D66A3CB6-F2FE-4A2A-B0B0-BA58B58781B0@ymail.com>
 <CAOPOgtC5MeZ_5YO08-sZ97Pwqos=db1J2VQKLVmRgdYywJtT4Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <58BB1967-962C-49FA-85CB-8EA1F9011B45@ymail.com>
Message-ID: <54BFB277.4040802@ceetonetechnology.com>

Mark Saad:
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:04 AM, Sujit K M <sjt.kar at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>>> I saw this today on  slashdot and somewhere else, either way . It has
>>> some interesting bits but I was 1/2 expecting it to be a ARM and not an
>>> intel x86 isa.  What are you thoughts on why no one has built a arm
>>> laptop in this market with more then 2G of ram and a decent amount of
>>> internal storage
>>
>> Something like this. When I used ARM7V and ARM9V there was a crazy
>> concept like bogo mips which is the number of cycles the processor cannot
>> guarentee process anything. What I found was It causes performance hits
>> when you add Memory/Storage etc. But I am not sure about this. Even
>> I had raised a thread where I wanted to know about ARM Tablets @talk,
>> eventually If that can be broadened to an ARM Processor with laptop capability.
>> Even I am interested in owning a ARM Laptop. But cost might be the other
>> thing too.
> 
> There has to be something to putting more then 2g of ram on a 32bit arm . This is purely anecdotal but if you check aliababa for arm gear it's all 2g of ram or less . Now this could be the market is targeting android and derived designs so there isn't any demand for it . However iirc the Samsung chrome laptop (the arm variety) is also 2g of ram .  Maybe there is some issue we aren't aware of . In any case I would like to try an non-android arm laptop, that Is a laptop not a weird tablet thingy or a glorified media player . 

Part of the problem from my experiences is that the scope of the ARM
hardware has been RPi and BeagleBones (phones, yeah, yeah, yeah), which
dont go beyond 1G.  Then again, give me a 700Mhz ARM chip with 1G of RAM
over double than in intel land and I'm happy.

With 64-bit ARM support coming to FreeBSD, I'm hoping our options in the
future aren't just servers.

g



From edlinuxguru at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 10:32:23 2015
From: edlinuxguru at gmail.com (Edward Capriolo)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:32:23 -0500
Subject: [talk] Open source laptop
In-Reply-To: <54BFB277.4040802@ceetonetechnology.com>
References: <D66A3CB6-F2FE-4A2A-B0B0-BA58B58781B0@ymail.com>
 <CAOPOgtC5MeZ_5YO08-sZ97Pwqos=db1J2VQKLVmRgdYywJtT4Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <58BB1967-962C-49FA-85CB-8EA1F9011B45@ymail.com>
 <54BFB277.4040802@ceetonetechnology.com>
Message-ID: <CAENxBwxYURj6QuQh3uo9AqvQYwYZeFW8F4UbE3aeRY2teOu3Dg@mail.gmail.com>

It might me more a matter of target market not a technical limitation. Why
spend money to produce a chip that would have to compete with Intel and
AMD? I would think most people using this chip would be working with a
smaller embedded device o-pic to tablet sized. These people would naturally
have smaller motherboards and less RAM.

Even on the lower end tablet, a company like Amazon can offset the cost of
expensive chip by selling it "at a loss" because of the money they make
from "selling services". A company like google can probably produce there
own custom chips if they were so motivated. The nitch is hobby and very
light embedded devices.



On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 9:06 AM, George Rosamond <
george at ceetonetechnology.com> wrote:

> Mark Saad:
> >
> >> On Jan 21, 2015, at 5:04 AM, Sujit K M <sjt.kar at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Mark,
> >>
> >>> I saw this today on  slashdot and somewhere else, either way . It has
> >>> some interesting bits but I was 1/2 expecting it to be a ARM and not an
> >>> intel x86 isa.  What are you thoughts on why no one has built a arm
> >>> laptop in this market with more then 2G of ram and a decent amount of
> >>> internal storage
> >>
> >> Something like this. When I used ARM7V and ARM9V there was a crazy
> >> concept like bogo mips which is the number of cycles the processor
> cannot
> >> guarentee process anything. What I found was It causes performance hits
> >> when you add Memory/Storage etc. But I am not sure about this. Even
> >> I had raised a thread where I wanted to know about ARM Tablets @talk,
> >> eventually If that can be broadened to an ARM Processor with laptop
> capability.
> >> Even I am interested in owning a ARM Laptop. But cost might be the other
> >> thing too.
> >
> > There has to be something to putting more then 2g of ram on a 32bit arm
> . This is purely anecdotal but if you check aliababa for arm gear it's all
> 2g of ram or less . Now this could be the market is targeting android and
> derived designs so there isn't any demand for it . However iirc the Samsung
> chrome laptop (the arm variety) is also 2g of ram .  Maybe there is some
> issue we aren't aware of . In any case I would like to try an non-android
> arm laptop, that Is a laptop not a weird tablet thingy or a glorified media
> player .
>
> Part of the problem from my experiences is that the scope of the ARM
> hardware has been RPi and BeagleBones (phones, yeah, yeah, yeah), which
> dont go beyond 1G.  Then again, give me a 700Mhz ARM chip with 1G of RAM
> over double than in intel land and I'm happy.
>
> With 64-bit ARM support coming to FreeBSD, I'm hoping our options in the
> future aren't just servers.
>
> g
>
> _______________________________________________
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From pete at nomadlogic.org  Wed Jan 21 13:27:27 2015
From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:27:27 -0800
Subject: [talk] Open source laptop
In-Reply-To: <D66A3CB6-F2FE-4A2A-B0B0-BA58B58781B0@ymail.com>
References: <D66A3CB6-F2FE-4A2A-B0B0-BA58B58781B0@ymail.com>
Message-ID: <54BFEF8F.5010400@nomadlogic.org>



On 01/20/15 19:29, Mark Saad wrote:
>> Hi Talk
>>  I saw this today on  slashdot and somewhere else, either way . It has
>> some interesting bits but I was 1/2 expecting it to be a ARM and not an
>> intel x86 isa.  What are you thoughts on why no one has built a arm
>> laptop in this market with more then 2G of ram and a decent amount of
>> internal storage
>>
>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/

<dodging arm question>

meh this site looks pretty sketchy imho.  i have idea what they are
talking about in regards to no other hardware allowing you to run your
own kernel (see: "Hardware Companies, Freedom, and Privacy").

at least they are using a decent video card and OK components - although
i hazzard support for RMA'ing components will be "fun".

also..only supporting their linux distribution?  doesn't seem very open
to me...

-pete

-- 
Pete Wright
pete at nomadlogic.org
twitter => @nomadlogicLA



From mark.saad at ymail.com  Wed Jan 21 14:12:34 2015
From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:12:34 -0500
Subject: [talk] Open source laptop
In-Reply-To: <54BFEF8F.5010400@nomadlogic.org>
References: <D66A3CB6-F2FE-4A2A-B0B0-BA58B58781B0@ymail.com>
 <54BFEF8F.5010400@nomadlogic.org>
Message-ID: <54BFFA22.4070608@ymail.com>

On 1/21/15 1:27 PM, Pete Wright wrote:
> 
> 
> On 01/20/15 19:29, Mark Saad wrote:
>>> Hi Talk
>>>  I saw this today on  slashdot and somewhere else, either way . It has
>>> some interesting bits but I was 1/2 expecting it to be a ARM and not an
>>> intel x86 isa.  What are you thoughts on why no one has built a arm
>>> laptop in this market with more then 2G of ram and a decent amount of
>>> internal storage
>>>
>>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/
> 
> <dodging arm question>
> 
> meh this site looks pretty sketchy imho.  i have idea what they are
> talking about in regards to no other hardware allowing you to run your
> own kernel (see: "Hardware Companies, Freedom, and Privacy").
> 
> at least they are using a decent video card and OK components - although
> i hazzard support for RMA'ing components will be "fun".
> 
> also..only supporting their linux distribution?  doesn't seem very open
> to me...
> 
> -pete
> 

Pete I agree with the snake oil aspect of this site. Al La "We are so
open we use Linux... Security is from linux ... "

Also I did some digging on arm with more then 2G of ram and a Acer Arm
Chromebook and one Samsung Arm Chromebook have 4G of ram, they are the
outliers. I am not even sure what the extra ram gets you with a chromebook.



-- 

Mark Saad| mark.saad at ymail.com


From mspitzer at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 17:19:22 2015
From: mspitzer at gmail.com (Marc Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:19:22 -0500
Subject: [talk] Open source laptop
In-Reply-To: <54BFFA22.4070608@ymail.com>
References: <D66A3CB6-F2FE-4A2A-B0B0-BA58B58781B0@ymail.com>
 <54BFEF8F.5010400@nomadlogic.org> <54BFFA22.4070608@ymail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+qr9e6DH=F5bTvjH_LxXW8SZWnoOBsdKAcOw9jC9svaej9MkQ@mail.gmail.com>

With the caveat of I do not know what I am talking about specifically here,
signed 32 bit int is 2g and that may have something to do with it.

Marc

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Mark Saad <mark.saad at ymail.com> wrote:

> On 1/21/15 1:27 PM, Pete Wright wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 01/20/15 19:29, Mark Saad wrote:
> >>> Hi Talk
> >>>  I saw this today on  slashdot and somewhere else, either way . It has
> >>> some interesting bits but I was 1/2 expecting it to be a ARM and not an
> >>> intel x86 isa.  What are you thoughts on why no one has built a arm
> >>> laptop in this market with more then 2G of ram and a decent amount of
> >>> internal storage
> >>>
> >>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/
> >
> > <dodging arm question>
> >
> > meh this site looks pretty sketchy imho.  i have idea what they are
> > talking about in regards to no other hardware allowing you to run your
> > own kernel (see: "Hardware Companies, Freedom, and Privacy").
> >
> > at least they are using a decent video card and OK components - although
> > i hazzard support for RMA'ing components will be "fun".
> >
> > also..only supporting their linux distribution?  doesn't seem very open
> > to me...
> >
> > -pete
> >
>
> Pete I agree with the snake oil aspect of this site. Al La "We are so
> open we use Linux... Security is from linux ... "
>
> Also I did some digging on arm with more then 2G of ram and a Acer Arm
> Chromebook and one Samsung Arm Chromebook have 4G of ram, they are the
> outliers. I am not even sure what the extra ram gets you with a chromebook.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mark Saad| mark.saad at ymail.com
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at lists.nycbug.org
> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>



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From jschauma at netmeister.org  Sat Jan 24 13:10:33 2015
From: jschauma at netmeister.org (Jan Schaumann)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 13:10:33 -0500
Subject: [talk] Guest lecturers wanted
Message-ID: <20150124181032.GE1926@netmeister.org>

Forwarding from ops-education at googlegroups.com since all there's a whole
lot of clueful sysadmin-type folken on this list:

> I'm teaching a class in System Administration this semester, covering
> some of the general topics for approximately 30 undergraduate seniors
> and graduate CS students: https://www.cs.stevens.edu/~jschauma/615/
> 
> In order to provide more "real world" experience reports, I'm again
> looking for guest lecturers to help make the class more interesting for
> the students and to give them a better understanding of the variety of
> duties and breadth and depth of topics that fall into our profession.
> 
> If you are located in the NJ/NY area and are interested, please contact
> me off list.
> 
> If you might be able to host us on a field trip to your company or
> facilities, that would be another fantastic opportunity for my students.
> 
> If you are not in the area, but would like to help me reach others,
> please forward this email as you see fit or retweet this message:
> https://twitter.com/jschauma/status/559040144175796224
> 
> Thanks in advance!
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From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sat Jan 31 16:30:15 2015
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:30:15 -0500
Subject: [talk] Ike's OpenBSD laptop meeting
Message-ID: <54CD4967.8000102@ceetonetechnology.com>



First, the meeting has some volition... seems to be connecting to a lot
of people.   More publicity is always good :)

There's been something of a resurgence of interest in the BSDs for a
variety of reasons.  For some, it's a 'push' from the Linuxes with the
systemd adoption.

Second, Ike's meeting is not really an installfest, but aimed at the
more general question of running OpenBSD on a laptop.  If there's
interest in an installfest, we can certainly set up something.

For those who don't have a laptop to test out OpenBSD on and don't have
an extra disk to install it on, I recommend hitting Ebay for a Thinkpad,
even an ancient one.  An x120e works nicely, and believe it or not, an
x60/61 is sufficient also.  Don't pay a lot for either, and you'll
probably need to buy a new battery.

Note that the meeting is on February 10th, the SECOND TUESDAY of the month.

g


From christos at zoulas.com  Sat Jan 31 16:34:03 2015
From: christos at zoulas.com (Christos Zoulas)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 16:34:03 -0500
Subject: [talk] Ike's OpenBSD laptop meeting
In-Reply-To: <54CD4967.8000102@ceetonetechnology.com>
 from George Rosamond (Jan 31,  4:30pm)
Message-ID: <20150131213403.22A9D17FDAA@rebar.astron.com>

On Jan 31,  4:30pm, george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) wrote:
-- Subject: [talk] Ike's OpenBSD laptop meeting

| First, the meeting has some volition... seems to be connecting to a lot
| of people.   More publicity is always good :)
| 
| There's been something of a resurgence of interest in the BSDs for a
| variety of reasons.  For some, it's a 'push' from the Linuxes with the
| systemd adoption.
| 
| Second, Ike's meeting is not really an installfest, but aimed at the
| more general question of running OpenBSD on a laptop.  If there's
| interest in an installfest, we can certainly set up something.
| 
| For those who don't have a laptop to test out OpenBSD on and don't have
| an extra disk to install it on, I recommend hitting Ebay for a Thinkpad,
| even an ancient one.  An x120e works nicely, and believe it or not, an
| x60/61 is sufficient also.  Don't pay a lot for either, and you'll
| probably need to buy a new battery.
| 
| Note that the meeting is on February 10th, the SECOND TUESDAY of the month.

On this subject, which BSD runs on:

	http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-9343-laptop/pd

And what peripherals don't we have drivers for?

christos


From scottro at nyc.rr.com  Sat Jan 31 17:04:23 2015
From: scottro at nyc.rr.com (Scott Robbins)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 17:04:23 -0500
Subject: [talk] Ike's OpenBSD laptop meeting
In-Reply-To: <20150131213403.22A9D17FDAA@rebar.astron.com>
References: <54CD4967.8000102@ceetonetechnology.com>
 <20150131213403.22A9D17FDAA@rebar.astron.com>
Message-ID: <20150131220423.GA4508@scott1.scottro.net>

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 04:34:03PM -0500, Christos Zoulas wrote:
> On Jan 31,  4:30pm, george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) wrote:
> -- Subject: [talk] Ike's OpenBSD laptop meeting
> 
> | For those who don't have a laptop to test out OpenBSD on and don't have
> | an extra disk to install it on, I recommend hitting Ebay for a Thinkpad,
> | even an ancient one.  An x120e works nicely, and believe it or not, an
> | x60/61 is sufficient also.  Don't pay a lot for either, and you'll
> | probably need to buy a new battery.
> | 
> | Note that the meeting is on February 10th, the SECOND TUESDAY of the month.

For what it's worth, while not sure if this would run with OpenBSD, NewEgg
is selling some refurbished Lenovo L420's, with 4GB of RAM and i5
processors, for around $260 through Think Green PC.  
The wireless didn't work with FreeBSD-10.x, but the Edimax 7811UN (9
dollars and free shipping), does (though it doesn't work with 9.x)
The wireless card in my machine (I don't know if this varies) is an
RTL8188CE, and some googling indicated that it might work with OpenBSD.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100017489%2040000032&IsNodeId=1&Description=lenovo%20l420&name=All%20Laptops%20%2f%20Notebooks&Order=BESTMATCH&isdeptsrh=1

(Just note that the cheapest one at the top is marked Grade B, and I don't know how
good or bad that is. 


As an aside, I found the easiest way to get OpenBSD to share a laptop with
Linux and FreeBSD was to use Linux's fdisk or cfdisk before installation,
to create an OpenBSD partition. Then, during installation, the OpenBSD
system saw that partition, and offered to use it, leaving other partitions
alone. 

(A quick page of mine for anyone interested)
http://srobb.net/openbsdmultiboot.html



-- 
Scott Robbins
PGP keyID EB3467D6
( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 )
gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6



From george at ceetonetechnology.com  Sat Jan 31 18:21:43 2015
From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:21:43 -0500
Subject: [talk] Ike's OpenBSD laptop meeting
In-Reply-To: <20150131213403.22A9D17FDAA@rebar.astron.com>
References: <20150131213403.22A9D17FDAA@rebar.astron.com>
Message-ID: <54CD6387.4030303@ceetonetechnology.com>

Christos Zoulas:
> On Jan 31,  4:30pm, george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) wrote:
> -- Subject: [talk] Ike's OpenBSD laptop meeting
> 
> | First, the meeting has some volition... seems to be connecting to a lot
> | of people.   More publicity is always good :)
> | 
> | There's been something of a resurgence of interest in the BSDs for a
> | variety of reasons.  For some, it's a 'push' from the Linuxes with the
> | systemd adoption.
> | 
> | Second, Ike's meeting is not really an installfest, but aimed at the
> | more general question of running OpenBSD on a laptop.  If there's
> | interest in an installfest, we can certainly set up something.
> | 
> | For those who don't have a laptop to test out OpenBSD on and don't have
> | an extra disk to install it on, I recommend hitting Ebay for a Thinkpad,
> | even an ancient one.  An x120e works nicely, and believe it or not, an
> | x60/61 is sufficient also.  Don't pay a lot for either, and you'll
> | probably need to buy a new battery.
> | 
> | Note that the meeting is on February 10th, the SECOND TUESDAY of the month.
> 
> On this subject, which BSD runs on:
> 
> 	http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-9343-laptop/pd
> 
> And what peripherals don't we have drivers for?

hey, we have a tool for that!

http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=dmesgd&fts=dell+xps

Looks like OpenBSD on the 9333

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