From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Nov 9 00:39:36 2015 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 00:39:36 -0500 Subject: [talk] Washington Post article on Linus/Linux Message-ID: <56403198.6020808@ceetonetechnology.com> Referenced in a recent Theo presentation... washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/11/05/net-of-insecurity-the-kernel-of-the-argument Honorable mention to the OpenBSD crew early in the article (hint: the monkeys), as one of the many security experts at odds with Linus. Surprise, surprise if you didn't pick up the theme over the past few years. The grsecurity comments have been pretty noisy over the past few years, and receive a lot of mention. Pretty remarkable article.. rather, shocking. In reality, nothing really has changed in my memory. No one cared about spam until upper management gets too many "C1al1s" emails, or until an attachment shuts down the firm for a morning, or a web site is defaced, or customer data is lost on laptop and it's publicly disclosed... to imagine that all the corporations paying devs to contribute code have any different attitude to security would be humorous. g From billtotman at billtotman.com Mon Nov 9 10:43:22 2015 From: billtotman at billtotman.com (William Totman) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 10:43:22 -0500 Subject: [talk] Washington Post article on Linus/Linux In-Reply-To: <56403198.6020808@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <56403198.6020808@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <1E98335D-7D12-40CF-80EF-D5A995873424@billtotman.com> > On Nov 9, 2015, at 00:39, George Rosamond wrote: > > Referenced in a recent Theo presentation... > > washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/11/05/net-of-insecurity-the-kernel-of-the-argument > > Honorable mention to the OpenBSD crew early in the article (hint: the > monkeys), as one of the many security experts at odds with Linus. > Surprise, surprise if you didn't pick up the theme over the past few years. > > The grsecurity comments have been pretty noisy over the past few years, > and receive a lot of mention. > > Pretty remarkable article.. rather, shocking. In reality, nothing > really has changed in my memory. No one cared about spam until upper > management gets too many "C1al1s" emails, or until an attachment shuts > down the firm for a morning, or a web site is defaced, or customer data > is lost on laptop and it's publicly disclosed... to imagine that all the > corporations paying devs to contribute code have any different attitude > to security would be humorous. > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk There are a few things that might be at work to change C-level execs minds about their responsibilities in securing their companies: - the Target breach saw their CEO get canned - the justice department seeking to bring criminal charges against executives - criminal negligence anyone? - cyberthreat insurance is seeing premiums jump as high as 30% - let alone the monetary cost of such a breach - de facto (individual) industry standards that, if not pursued, could be used by cleaver lawyers in civil suits (vis a vis: the second bullet) Notice how Torvalds immediately builds the most ridiculous scenario to justify his attitude: MILLIONS ARE GOING TO DIE! He might as well have used the Sun going supernova as an example. While there are edge cases that involve protecting people?s lives - there are many other important facets to cyber security that Torvalds obviously doesn?t care about. -bt From thornton.richard at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 15:15:03 2015 From: thornton.richard at gmail.com (thornton.richard at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 15:15:03 -0500 Subject: [talk] Washington Post article on Linus/Linux In-Reply-To: <1E98335D-7D12-40CF-80EF-D5A995873424@billtotman.com> References: <56403198.6020808@ceetonetechnology.com> <1E98335D-7D12-40CF-80EF-D5A995873424@billtotman.com> Message-ID: <20151109201503.5931089.44483.18121@gmail.com> I read the article. I doubt the Washington Post is any sort of definitive source for these types of topics, because what is the underlying message? ?Back in 2003 when SCO was claiming Linus infringed on their code, the rebuttal was to show the code. SCO lost. ?Why doesn't Theo show the? code then? ? I am a user of OpenBSD and Xubuntu. Am I being naive to even consider using a Linux? Xubuntu makes a great desktop system. Are hundreds of thousands of users of Linux stupid compared to those using OpenBSD as the desktop OS? Richard Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10 smartphone?on?the?Verizon?Wireless?4G LTE?network. ? Original Message ? From: William Totman Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 10:43 AM To: George Rosamond Cc: NYCBUG Subject: Re: [talk] Washington Post article on Linus/Linux > On Nov 9, 2015, at 00:39, George Rosamond wrote: > > Referenced in a recent Theo presentation... > > washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/11/05/net-of-insecurity-the-kernel-of-the-argument > > Honorable mention to the OpenBSD crew early in the article (hint: the > monkeys), as one of the many security experts at odds with Linus. > Surprise, surprise if you didn't pick up the theme over the past few years. > > The grsecurity comments have been pretty noisy over the past few years, > and receive a lot of mention. > > Pretty remarkable article.. rather, shocking. In reality, nothing > really has changed in my memory. No one cared about spam until upper > management gets too many "C1al1s" emails, or until an attachment shuts > down the firm for a morning, or a web site is defaced, or customer data > is lost on laptop and it's publicly disclosed... to imagine that all the > corporations paying devs to contribute code have any different attitude > to security would be humorous. > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk There are a few things that might be at work to change C-level execs minds about their responsibilities in securing their companies: - the Target breach saw their CEO get canned - the justice department seeking to bring criminal charges against executives - criminal negligence anyone? - cyberthreat insurance is seeing premiums jump as high as 30% - let alone the monetary cost of such a breach - de facto (individual) industry standards that, if not pursued, could be used by cleaver lawyers in civil suits (vis a vis: the second bullet) Notice how Torvalds immediately builds the most ridiculous scenario to justify his attitude: MILLIONS ARE GOING TO DIE! He might as well have used the Sun going supernova as an example. While there are edge cases that involve protecting people?s lives - there are many other important facets to cyber security that Torvalds obviously doesn?t care about. -bt _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk at lists.nycbug.org http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From brett at coiloptic.org Mon Nov 9 15:28:21 2015 From: brett at coiloptic.org (Brett Mahar) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:28:21 +1100 Subject: [talk] Washington Post article on Linus/Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20151110072821.afbfff82d944735f3eda27f1@coiloptic.org> | | washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/11/05/net-of-insecurity-the-kernel-of-the-argument | The links browser tells me this site has an invalid security certificate :-) From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Nov 12 13:11:00 2015 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 13:11:00 -0500 Subject: [talk] Thurs, Nov 19th: Stephen R Bourne Message-ID: <5644D634.7030505@ceetonetechnology.com> November 19th, 18:45 PM Special Meeting, Stephen R. Bourne Notice: special meeting, not regular date This will be a packed meeting, so plan to arrive early if possible. Abstract my history and background how and why we had to re write the shell why I wrote my own memory management key language design decisions where those ideas came from what was hard to get right system changes we made to accommodate sh what the rules were in UNIX group what would I do differently today Speaker Bio Steve Bourne is computer scientist who is internationally known for his work on the UNIX operating system. While at Bell Laboratories, Steve designed the UNIX Command Language known as the "Bourne Shell". It is the standard command line interface to UNIX and is widely used today in scripting in the UNIX programming environment. Steve has a Bachelor's degree in mathematics from King's College London, England. He has a Diploma (or Master's degree) in Computer Science and a Ph.D. in mathematics from Trinity College, Cambridge. While at the University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory he worked on an ALGOL 68 compiler and CAMAL an early algebra system. After Cambridge, Steve spent nine years at Bell Labs with the Seventh Edition Unix team. As well as the Bourne shell, he wrote the adb debugger and published /The UNIX System/, the second book on the UNIX system, intended for a general readership. This book is recognized as a text for the effective use of UNIX. After Bell Labs, he spent 20 years in senior engineering management positions. At Cisco Systems, he was director of engineering for enterprise network management; at Sun Microsystems, he managed the Solaris 2.0 program; at Digital Equipment Corporation, he developed DEC's first RISC-based workstation; and at Silicon Graphics, he was Director of Software Engineering responsible for the introduction of the IRIS, the company's first graphics workstation. >From 2000 to 2002 he was President of the Association for Computing Machinery. For his work on computing he was made a Fellow of the ACM in 2005. He is also a Fellow of the Royal Astronomical Society. At present Steve is chief technology officer at Rally Venture Partners, a Menlo Park-based venture capital group in California. He is also the chair of the Editorial Advisory Board for /ACM Queue/, a magazine he started when he was President of the ACM. From pete at nomadlogic.org Thu Nov 12 13:23:10 2015 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:23:10 -0800 Subject: [talk] Thurs, Nov 19th: Stephen R Bourne In-Reply-To: <5644D634.7030505@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5644D634.7030505@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <5644D90E.6010903@nomadlogic.org> On 11/12/15 10:11, George Rosamond wrote: > November 19th, 18:45 PM > Special Meeting, Stephen R. Bourne > Notice: special meeting, not regular date > > This will be a packed meeting, so plan to arrive early if possible. > Trying to get some of my co-workers in NYC to attend this - is there a location I can tell them? Thanks! -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Nov 12 14:01:28 2015 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:01:28 -0500 Subject: [talk] Thurs, Nov 19th: Stephen R Bourne In-Reply-To: <5644D90E.6010903@nomadlogic.org> References: <5644D634.7030505@ceetonetechnology.com> <5644D90E.6010903@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <5644E208.4040407@ceetonetechnology.com> Pete Wright: > > > On 11/12/15 10:11, George Rosamond wrote: >> November 19th, 18:45 PM >> Special Meeting, Stephen R. Bourne >> Notice: special meeting, not regular date >> >> This will be a packed meeting, so plan to arrive early if possible. >> > > Trying to get some of my co-workers in NYC to attend this - is there a > location I can tell them? > Oh, that was a secret. oops. And apparently no one updated the web site... Stone Creek, 140 E 27th Street g From pete at nomadlogic.org Thu Nov 12 14:29:44 2015 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 11:29:44 -0800 Subject: [talk] Thurs, Nov 19th: Stephen R Bourne In-Reply-To: <5644E208.4040407@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5644D634.7030505@ceetonetechnology.com> <5644D90E.6010903@nomadlogic.org> <5644E208.4040407@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <5644E8A8.5090503@nomadlogic.org> On 11/12/15 11:01, George Rosamond wrote: > Pete Wright: >> >> >> On 11/12/15 10:11, George Rosamond wrote: >>> November 19th, 18:45 PM >>> Special Meeting, Stephen R. Bourne >>> Notice: special meeting, not regular date >>> >>> This will be a packed meeting, so plan to arrive early if possible. >>> >> >> Trying to get some of my co-workers in NYC to attend this - is there a >> location I can tell them? >> > > Oh, that was a secret. > > oops. And apparently no one updated the web site... > > Stone Creek, 140 E 27th Street > thanks gman! -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sun Nov 15 12:16:45 2015 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 12:16:45 -0500 Subject: [talk] Fwd: NetBSD machines at Open Source Conference 2015 Tokushima Message-ID: <5648BDFD.6040609@ceetonetechnology.com> Jun Ebihara regularly sends these emails to netbsd-advocacy at ... always entertaining stuff. A nice array of hardware supported by NetBSD. g -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: NetBSD machines at Open Source Conference 2015 Tokushima Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:51:46 +0900 (JST) From: Jun Ebihara The normal stream of comments, but a notable storm of BSD mentions throughout. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/11/linus_torvalds_.html g From jun at soum.co.jp Sun Nov 15 23:12:58 2015 From: jun at soum.co.jp (Jun Ebihara) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:12:58 +0900 (JST) Subject: [talk] Fwd: NetBSD machines at Open Source Conference 2015 Tokushima In-Reply-To: <5648BDFD.6040609@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <5648BDFD.6040609@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <20151116.131258.758293411348369180.jun@soum.co.jp> From: George Rosamond Subject: [talk] Fwd: NetBSD machines at Open Source Conference 2015 Tokushima Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 12:16:45 -0500 > Jun Ebihara regularly sends these emails to netbsd-advocacy at ... always > entertaining stuff. A nice array of hardware supported by NetBSD. Thanx! http://www.soum.co.jp/~jun/2015maps.pdf another topic: On last weekend,asiabsdcon supporting staff meeting was held. dates are almost fixed. headaches: - In Tokyo area,Mar. 12 hotel room are tight. (but keeps by hrs. - need more spnsors for supporting travell fee. every year -100 man yen (== -8163 dolls) to hrs at . - need powerful keynoters. I'll make NetBSD BOF and NetBSD developer meeting as 2015. http://www.soum.co.jp/~jun/asiabsdcon2015.pdf -- Jun Ebihara From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Nov 16 19:44:46 2015 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:44:46 -0500 Subject: [talk] sent for presentations Message-ID: <564A787E.8070604@ceetonetechnology.com> OpenBSD has misc/sent which is really simple presentation software. Doesnt seem to be in pkgsrc or FreeBSD ports/pkgs. (hint hint) I'm a fan of misc/magicpoint (FBSD, OBSD, pkgsrc) which has a slight learning-curve for figuring out templates and a style sheet. Magicpoint is also great in that it outputs to HTML and also to text, and the language is latex-esque. sent (git.suckless.org for source or tools.suckless.org/sent) is even simpler than Magicpoint: you can't customize much at all. The text is generated into PNGs with each paragraph being a slide. sent makes sense if you need to crank out something quickly with little or no preparation time. g From gnn at neville-neil.com Tue Nov 17 05:19:48 2015 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:19:48 +0000 Subject: [talk] sent for presentations In-Reply-To: <564A787E.8070604@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <564A787E.8070604@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <76129FD8-CE21-4547-A002-D2A20E05484D@neville-neil.com> Honestly, at this point, I either use Beamer in LaTeX or something proprietary. I liked magicpoint, in its day, but that day is long past. There are ton of great tutorials for Beamer. Best, George On 17 Nov 2015, at 0:44, George Rosamond wrote: > OpenBSD has misc/sent which is really simple presentation software. > Doesnt seem to be in pkgsrc or FreeBSD ports/pkgs. (hint hint) > > I'm a fan of misc/magicpoint (FBSD, OBSD, pkgsrc) which has a slight > learning-curve for figuring out templates and a style sheet. > > Magicpoint is also great in that it outputs to HTML and also to text, > and the language is latex-esque. > > sent (git.suckless.org for source or tools.suckless.org/sent) is even > simpler than Magicpoint: you can't customize much at all. The text is > generated into PNGs with each paragraph being a slide. > > sent makes sense if you need to crank out something quickly with > little > or no preparation time. > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From njt at ayvali.org Tue Nov 17 13:26:24 2015 From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:26:24 -0800 Subject: [talk] sent for presentations In-Reply-To: <76129FD8-CE21-4547-A002-D2A20E05484D@neville-neil.com> References: <564A787E.8070604@ceetonetechnology.com> <76129FD8-CE21-4547-A002-D2A20E05484D@neville-neil.com> Message-ID: <20151117182624.GB62937@ayvali.org> * George Neville-Neil [2015-11-17 10:19:48+0000]: > Honestly, at this point, I either use Beamer in LaTeX or something > proprietary. +1 for LaTeX/Beamer. The last dozen or so presentations I've done have been with that. Once the PDF slides are generated, I use run evince or okular in full-screen mode and no one ever knows that I'm not running presentation software. > I liked magicpoint, in its day, but that day is long past. Yeah. Magicpoint (afaict), has not been updated in a while. If someone was to take it and bring it up to date a little bit, I think it would really shine again. Thomas From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Nov 17 14:07:16 2015 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 14:07:16 -0500 Subject: [talk] sent for presentations In-Reply-To: <20151117182624.GB62937@ayvali.org> References: <564A787E.8070604@ceetonetechnology.com> <76129FD8-CE21-4547-A002-D2A20E05484D@neville-neil.com> <20151117182624.GB62937@ayvali.org> Message-ID: <564B7AE4.4020509@ceetonetechnology.com> N.J. Thomas: > * George Neville-Neil [2015-11-17 10:19:48+0000]: >> Honestly, at this point, I either use Beamer in LaTeX or something >> proprietary. > > +1 for LaTeX/Beamer. The last dozen or so presentations I've done have > been with that. Once the PDF slides are generated, I use run evince or > okular in full-screen mode and no one ever knows that I'm not running > presentation software. > I took a look at it and will play with it. >> I liked magicpoint, in its day, but that day is long past. > > Yeah. Magicpoint (afaict), has not been updated in a while. If someone > was to take it and bring it up to date a little bit, I think it would > really shine again. I don't know how presentation needs changed in say, ten years. I mean, if you need to embed videos of dancing unicorns, maybe MagicPoint isnt the best choice (animated GIFs then?), but I tend to think it's more than sufficient for any presentation I remember seeing. g From njt at ayvali.org Tue Nov 17 14:35:11 2015 From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:35:11 -0800 Subject: [talk] sent for presentations In-Reply-To: <564B7AE4.4020509@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <564A787E.8070604@ceetonetechnology.com> <76129FD8-CE21-4547-A002-D2A20E05484D@neville-neil.com> <20151117182624.GB62937@ayvali.org> <564B7AE4.4020509@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <20151117193511.GE66255@ayvali.org> * George Rosamond [2015-11-17 14:07:16-0500]: > > Magicpoint (afaict), has not been updated in a while. If someone was > > to take it and bring it up to date a little bit, I think it would > > really shine again. > > I don't know how presentation needs changed in say, ten years. Yeah, I think at the time I just needed to be able to distribute copies as PDF files, which was a hassle. LaTeX did this as a matter of fact. > I mean, if you need to embed videos of dancing unicorns, maybe > MagicPoint isnt the best choice (animated GIFs then?), but I tend to > think it's more than sufficient for any presentation I remember > seeing. If you want to see some awesome bikeshedding, watch the comments on HN whenever the OpenBSD publish a presentation. About half the comments will be about MagicPoint and the font, and the other half about CVS. 0.01% will actually be about tame/pledge/whatever is being presented. I guarantee it. Thomas From justin at shiningsilence.com Tue Nov 17 14:47:07 2015 From: justin at shiningsilence.com (Justin Sherrill) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 14:47:07 -0500 Subject: [talk] sent for presentations In-Reply-To: <20151117182624.GB62937@ayvali.org> References: <564A787E.8070604@ceetonetechnology.com> <76129FD8-CE21-4547-A002-D2A20E05484D@neville-neil.com> <20151117182624.GB62937@ayvali.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:26 PM, N.J. Thomas wrote: > * George Neville-Neil [2015-11-17 10:19:48+0000]: > > Honestly, at this point, I either use Beamer in LaTeX or something > > proprietary. For people not wanting to write LaTeX but still avoiding PowerPoint hell, I've had success with s5: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ There are several similar tools descended from it out there, though they tend to complicate rather than expand. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com Wed Nov 18 11:29:45 2015 From: mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com (Michael W. Lucas) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 11:29:45 -0500 Subject: [talk] Detroit user group Message-ID: <20151118162945.GA11355@mail.michaelwlucas.com> Hi, George told me to mention this here. (Actually, he said "feel free to mention this on talk@," but as George's voice always reminds me of a young Godfather, I know what he REALLY means.) Our Detroit BSD user group is off to a good start. Time will tell. http://blather.michaelwlucas.com/archives/2495 If anyone is condemned to pass through Detroit, and feels brave enough to leave the airport, do stop by. We'd even reschedule meetings for out-of-town speakers. Thanks to George and Okan for hosting the mailing list on nycbug servers. ==ml -- Michael W. Lucas - mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com, Twitter @mwlauthor http://www.MichaelWLucas.com/, http://blather.MichaelWLucas.com/ From gnn at neville-neil.com Wed Nov 18 11:59:35 2015 From: gnn at neville-neil.com (George Neville-Neil) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 16:59:35 +0000 Subject: [talk] Detroit user group In-Reply-To: <20151118162945.GA11355@mail.michaelwlucas.com> References: <20151118162945.GA11355@mail.michaelwlucas.com> Message-ID: <137191ED-29E0-45F6-A8ED-543C4625B6AE@neville-neil.com> Excellent news. Detroit isn't that far from NYC... Best, George On 18 Nov 2015, at 16:29, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > Hi, > > George told me to mention this here. (Actually, he said "feel free to > mention this on talk@," but as George's voice always reminds me of a > young Godfather, I know what he REALLY means.) > > Our Detroit BSD user group is off to a good start. Time will tell. > http://blather.michaelwlucas.com/archives/2495 > > If anyone is condemned to pass through Detroit, and feels brave enough > to leave the airport, do stop by. We'd even reschedule meetings for > out-of-town speakers. > > Thanks to George and Okan for hosting the mailing list on nycbug > servers. > > ==ml > > -- > Michael W. Lucas - mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com, Twitter @mwlauthor > http://www.MichaelWLucas.com/, http://blather.MichaelWLucas.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From pete at nomadlogic.org Wed Nov 18 13:39:11 2015 From: pete at nomadlogic.org (Pete Wright) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 10:39:11 -0800 Subject: [talk] Detroit user group In-Reply-To: <137191ED-29E0-45F6-A8ED-543C4625B6AE@neville-neil.com> References: <20151118162945.GA11355@mail.michaelwlucas.com> <137191ED-29E0-45F6-A8ED-543C4625B6AE@neville-neil.com> Message-ID: <564CC5CF.3020909@nomadlogic.org> On 11/18/15 08:59, George Neville-Neil wrote: > Excellent news. Detroit isn't that far from NYC... > > Best, > George > > > On 18 Nov 2015, at 16:29, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> George told me to mention this here. (Actually, he said "feel free to >> mention this on talk@," but as George's voice always reminds me of a >> young Godfather, I know what he REALLY means.) >> >> Our Detroit BSD user group is off to a good start. Time will tell. >> http://blather.michaelwlucas.com/archives/2495 >> >> If anyone is condemned to pass through Detroit, and feels brave enough >> to leave the airport, do stop by. We'd even reschedule meetings for >> out-of-town speakers. >> >> Thanks to George and Okan for hosting the mailing list on nycbug >> servers. wow - yet another thing Detroit is doing better than LA at. reminds me i need to get off my ass here :) -pete -- Pete Wright pete at nomadlogic.org twitter => @nomadlogicLA From slynch2112 at me.com Wed Nov 18 14:09:19 2015 From: slynch2112 at me.com (Siobhan Lynch) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 14:09:19 -0500 Subject: [talk] Detroit user group In-Reply-To: <564CC5CF.3020909@nomadlogic.org> References: <20151118162945.GA11355@mail.michaelwlucas.com> <137191ED-29E0-45F6-A8ED-543C4625B6AE@neville-neil.com> <564CC5CF.3020909@nomadlogic.org> Message-ID: <84A3A00A-FE3E-495B-A085-E2D07C7FE603@me.com> > > On 11/18/15 08:59, George Neville-Neil wrote: >> Excellent news. Detroit isn't that far from NYC... >> >> Best, >> George >> >> > > wow - yet another thing Detroit is doing better than LA at. reminds me > i need to get off my ass here :) > > -pete Wow, Detroit, was there this past summer, its not a bad flight, and there?s usually some free flowing green stuff on the other side. I?ve actually thought about moving there, or at the very least to Ann Arbor. Maybe its a good sign many of us seem to be thinking about MI, because it needs an influx of people and money. (and yes all, I am still alive, just busy, like many of y?all I got on the consulting bandwagon (years later than I should have), I haven?t been hurting for business since I did) -Trish ? Siobhan Lynch Principle SPL Consulting Applications, Systems, and Network Engineer OrenSoft.Com slynch2112 at me.com 6464707588 (Business) 2015894689 (Cell) > On Nov 18, 2015, at 1:39 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > > > > On 11/18/15 08:59, George Neville-Neil wrote: >> Excellent news. Detroit isn't that far from NYC... >> >> Best, >> George >> >> >> On 18 Nov 2015, at 16:29, Michael W. Lucas wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> George told me to mention this here. (Actually, he said "feel free to >>> mention this on talk@," but as George's voice always reminds me of a >>> young Godfather, I know what he REALLY means.) >>> >>> Our Detroit BSD user group is off to a good start. Time will tell. >>> http://blather.michaelwlucas.com/archives/2495 >>> >>> If anyone is condemned to pass through Detroit, and feels brave enough >>> to leave the airport, do stop by. We'd even reschedule meetings for >>> out-of-town speakers. >>> >>> Thanks to George and Okan for hosting the mailing list on nycbug >>> servers. > > wow - yet another thing Detroit is doing better than LA at. reminds me > i need to get off my ass here :) > > -pete > > > -- > Pete Wright > pete at nomadlogic.org > twitter => @nomadlogicLA > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkeen at verizon.net Wed Nov 18 18:18:51 2015 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 18:18:51 -0500 Subject: [talk] Detroit user group In-Reply-To: <84A3A00A-FE3E-495B-A085-E2D07C7FE603@me.com> References: <20151118162945.GA11355@mail.michaelwlucas.com> <137191ED-29E0-45F6-A8ED-543C4625B6AE@neville-neil.com> <564CC5CF.3020909@nomadlogic.org> <84A3A00A-FE3E-495B-A085-E2D07C7FE603@me.com> Message-ID: <564D075B.1080505@verizon.net> On 11/18/2015 02:09 PM, Siobhan Lynch wrote: >> >> On 11/18/15 08:59, George Neville-Neil wrote: >>> Excellent news. Detroit isn't that far from NYC... >>> >>> Best, >>> George >>> >>> >> >> wow - yet another thing Detroit is doing better than LA at. reminds me >> i need to get off my ass here :) >> >> -pete > > > > Wow, Detroit, was there this past summer, its not a bad flight, and there?s usually some free flowing green stuff on the other side. > > I?ve actually thought about moving there, or at the very least to Ann Arbor. Maybe its a good sign many of us seem to be thinking about MI, because it needs an influx of people and money. > > (and yes all, I am still alive, just busy, like many of y?all I got on the consulting bandwagon (years later than I should have), I haven?t been hurting for business since I did) > > -Trish > > > I signed up on the SemiBUG mailing list because, if they hold meetings on a regularly scheduled basis, I perhaps can drop in when I visit my sister and her family north of Detroit, as I did just 3 weeks ago. Jim Keenan From mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com Wed Nov 18 19:16:39 2015 From: mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com (Michael W. Lucas) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:16:39 -0500 Subject: [talk] Detroit user group In-Reply-To: <56CDFB9A-C360-43C9-BE2E-C1DA28990A45@schmonz.com> References: <20151118162945.GA11355@mail.michaelwlucas.com> <56CDFB9A-C360-43C9-BE2E-C1DA28990A45@schmonz.com> Message-ID: <20151119001639.GA13356@mail.michaelwlucas.com> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 06:11:10PM -0500, Amitai Schlair wrote: > On 18 Nov 2015, at 11:29, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > > >Our Detroit BSD user group is off to a good start. Time will tell. > >http://blather.michaelwlucas.com/archives/2495 > > Cool. I'm in Detroit pretty often for work. Totally could have made it to > yesterday's meeting. I'll miss the next one (Thursdays don't usually work > for me) but have subscribed and will keep an eye out for January. I screwed up on the post, it's Tuesday the 15th. That's what happens when you simultaneously take notes & chair a meeting... -- Michael W. Lucas - mwlucas at michaelwlucas.com, Twitter @mwlauthor http://www.MichaelWLucas.com/, http://blather.MichaelWLucas.com/ From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Nov 19 13:59:09 2015 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:59:09 -0500 Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight: Stephen R Bourne Message-ID: <564E1BFD.4050901@ceetonetechnology.com> The meeting happens tonight 645 PM at Stone Creek at 140 East 27th Street in the backroom. It will be streamed. We will hit talk@ with the details before the meeting. December 14th is the city-wide NYC Holiday Party at Clyde Frazier's Wine and Dine. There will be no NYC*BUG meeting in December. NYLUG posted details here: http://rsvp.nylug.org/225970914 We will have an email address up soon for RSVPs. We are working out details for 2016's meetings. Those will be posted in the near-future. Note the birth of some new BSD User Groups: in New Delhi, India: ndbug.org in Detroit, MI: semibug.org From ike at blackskyresearch.net Thu Nov 19 18:23:42 2015 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac Levy) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 18:23:42 -0500 Subject: [talk] Streaming Meeting Message-ID: <1447975442-8525473.73441085.ftAJNNgas029656@rs149.luxsci.com> Patrick on site, stream will begin shortly: http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Nov 20 12:00:57 2015 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:00:57 -0500 Subject: [talk] Bourne meeting Message-ID: <564F51C9.6020005@ceetonetechnology.com> It was an honor to have Stephen Bourne speak for us last night. It was a great meeting, and the buzz reflected nicely in the conversations afterwards. We look forward to having him around in the future, even just as a "fly on the wall" as he mentioned. (SRB is in the bcc) Also, huge thanks to Patrick M. on the video streaming. We don't know the remote viewing numbers at this point, but his efforts go beyond what he just does onsite--he also works out the "post-production" end so it can be uploaded to YouTube. For years we had failures in getting our conferences and events recorded, and we frankly gave up. One of us argued that the only way a conference can get recordings done and done correctly is if you hire someone to do it. He was the first (and last :) person to offer to manage it, and he's done an amazing job for years. Remember, no December meeting but there is a city-wide holiday party on Monday, December 14th. We'll be back to our regularly scheduled first Wednesday of the month in January. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sun Nov 22 15:13:28 2015 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 15:13:28 -0500 Subject: [talk] PyLadies Message-ID: <565221E8.80701@ceetonetechnology.com> Not sure if others have seen this: http://www.pyladies.com/blog/fundraising-for-pycon-2015/ Pretty remarkable stuff in terms of increasing speakers and women attendees. I can think of a few other technical communities that need such an infusion... g From spork at bway.net Sun Nov 22 17:33:15 2015 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 17:33:15 -0500 Subject: [talk] PyLadies In-Reply-To: <565221E8.80701@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <565221E8.80701@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: On Nov 22, 2015, at 3:13 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > Not sure if others have seen this: > > http://www.pyladies.com/blog/fundraising-for-pycon-2015/ > > Pretty remarkable stuff in terms of increasing speakers and women attendees. Especially this: "? PyCon 2014 had over 30% women attendees, and about a third of the speakers were women." 30% at a conference is pretty amazing I think? C > > I can think of a few other technical communities that need such an > infusion... > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From _ at thomaslevine.com Sat Nov 28 22:22:03 2015 From: _ at thomaslevine.com (Thomas Levine) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:22:03 -0500 Subject: [talk] Testing shell Message-ID: <1448767323.2340969.452475449.5EEE1A51@webmail.messagingengine.com> The topic of debugging shell programs came up during the last talk, and Eric mentioned the test harness urchin. https://github.com/tlevine/urchin Here are some test suites written in urchin. https://github.com/tlevine/urchin/tree/master/tests https://github.com/creationix/nvm/blob/master/.travis.yml https://github.com/creationix/nvm/tree/master/test Urchin itself works under several shells. https://github.com/tlevine/urchin/blob/master/cross-shell-tests Someone gave rave reviews of a shell linter. I think it was ShellCheck. Either way, I have heard other rave reviews of ShellCheck. http://www.shellcheck.net/ In case nobody mentioned it, here are three neat debugging tools that Ike showed me. http://blackskyresearch.net/try.sh.txt George lamented the difficulty of attracting young kids to simple, stable, robust, non-hip software. My review of shell testing methods may help in this aspect. https://thomaslevine.com/!/shell-testing/ Tom From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Mon Nov 30 07:39:45 2015 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 07:39:45 -0500 Subject: [talk] Tweet by BSDTV on Twitter Message-ID: <8902B1B1-2628-42AB-A46C-4888F5A61B9F@gmail.com> BSDTV (@BSDTV) 11/30/15, 7:35 AM New video posted: Early days of Unix and design of sh by Stephen R. Bourne youtu.be/FI_bZhV7wpI #BSD Download the Twitter app Patrick McEvoy patmcevoy at mac.com Cell: +1-718-440-5104 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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