From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 12:51:11 2016 From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 12:51:11 -0500 Subject: [talk] *BSD experiments Message-ID: Hey folks! I'm glad I came to the installfest in January! It was nice meeting everyone, and I want to extend a big thanks to George for giving me a FreeBSD SD card for my Pi! I've been playing with it on and off and learning a bit more about how the BSDs work under the hood! No, I'm not leaving Linux behind, but learning BSD is beneficial! ;) Anyways, I've thrown together an extra box with some spare parts over the weekend. The specs aren't the greatest; it's a Core 2 Duo with 4GB RAM and only an Nvidia GeForce 6200 PCI card for video (the motherboard is an Intel DG41MJ motherboard in Mini-ITX size), but I'm thinking about installing a BSD onto it and learning more about the OS with it. That said, I'm deciding between FreeBSD, PC-BSD, or even going with DragonflyBSD to study its Amiga-esque roots. OpenBSD and NetBSD are off the list for now as I'm keeping those for older machines, and OpenBSD may be going onto my old ThinkPad T42. So what would be the best bet for my spare box? Cheers! --Robert -- Nobody's ever lost in life...they're merely taking the scenic route. ============================== Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ============================== -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1.2 GCS/S/M/MU d- s+: a34 C++(+++) UL++++>$ P++ L+++ E+ W+ N+ o+ K++ w--- O- M !V PS+ PE Y+ PGP(+) t+ 5++ X++ R tv b+++ DI+++ D++(---) G++ e+ h- r++ y+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Feb 1 12:58:16 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 12:58:16 -0500 Subject: [talk] *BSD experiments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56AF9CB8.6060301@ceetonetechnology.com> Robert Menes: > Hey folks! > > I'm glad I came to the installfest in January! It was nice meeting > everyone, and I want > to extend a big thanks to George for giving me a FreeBSD SD card for my Pi! > I've been > playing with it on and off and learning a bit more about how the BSDs work > under the hood! cool. > > No, I'm not leaving Linux behind, but learning BSD is beneficial! ;) > I'm the hoarder-type... I don't leave anything behind! > Anyways, I've thrown together an extra box with some spare parts over the > weekend. The specs > aren't the greatest; it's a Core 2 Duo with 4GB RAM and only an Nvidia > GeForce 6200 PCI card > for video (the motherboard is an Intel DG41MJ motherboard in Mini-ITX > size), but I'm thinking > about installing a BSD onto it and learning more about the OS with it. That > said, I'm deciding > between FreeBSD, PC-BSD, or even going with DragonflyBSD to study its > Amiga-esque roots. > > OpenBSD and NetBSD are off the list for now as I'm keeping those for older > machines, and > OpenBSD may be going onto my old ThinkPad T42. > > So what would be the best bet for my spare box? I guess it depends. Is there something particular you want to learn or play with? PC-BSD should be easy enough.. they have the UX part down to a tee. But if you want to play with Hammer, ZFS, etc., then go with FreeBSD or DFly. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Feb 2 10:39:31 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 10:39:31 -0500 Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Wednesday: Isaac Levy on 'Shell-Fu' Message-ID: <56B0CDB3.3030904@ceetonetechnology.com> Upcoming meetings and events, including tomorrow's monthly meeting. * February 3 "shell-fu" Isaac (.ike) Levy * March 2 "Discussion of the Past and Future of PID 1 on BSD" Raul Cuza Raul's meeting is something of a reply to reaffirmation of the BSD init/rc systems, in the face of systemd * April 6 "Debugging with llvm" John Wolfe * May 4 "Urchin: Putting an End to Sloppy Shell Code" Thomas Levine * June 15 "Adventures in HardenedBSD" Shawn Webb Shawn will be coming up from Maryland for this meeting. Note the date which was set as to not conflict with BSDCan * July 6 "Meet the Smallest BSDs: RetroBSD and LiteBSD" Brian Callahan * August 3 A *BSD Installfest This installfest will happen after HOPE, and is a great meeting to publicize at HOPE. We should have fliers for this event at HOPE * Sept 7 "Teaching FreeBSD" George Neville-Neil Also note these other upcoming events: * Tokyo, Japan: AsiaBSCon, March 10-13 * Ottawa, Canada: BSDCan, June 10-11 with tutorials and the dev summit beforehand * New York, NY: HOPE (Hackers on Planet Earth), July 22-24 a great opportunity for more popular BSD-related presentations ************************ Feb 3: Isaac Levy on "shell-fu" 18:45, Stone Creek Bar & Lounge: 140 E 27th St Abstract shell-fu in 3 short talks To say everything starts with the shell, is quite an understatement. Portable shell programming does not have to be painful, exposing the raw power of UNIX with shell can even be fun. This talk is relevant for expert and novice alike, aimed at anyone who uses UNIX systems. Not the 'shell tricks' variety of talk, but a language discussion focused on portability, and showing off how simple and profoundly powerful portable shell can be. We will cover: the 3 finger claw technique using atomic filesystem operations general shell-fu, input and variable handling There is always something amazing to learn about sh(1). Speaker Bio Isaac (.ike) Levy is a crusty UNIX Hacker. A long-time community contributor to the *BSD's, ike is obsessed with high-availability and redundant networked servers systems, mostly because he likes to sleep at night. Standing on the shoulders of giants, his background includes partnering to run a Virtual Server ISP before anyone called it a cloud, as well as having a long history building internet-facing infrastructure with UNIX systems. .ike has been a part of NYC*BUG since it was first launched in January 2004. He was a long-time member of the Lower East Side Mac Unix User Group, and is still in denial that this group no longer exists. He has spoken frequently on a number of UNIX and internet security topics at various venues, particularly on the topic of FreeBSD's jail(8). From mark.saad at ymail.com Tue Feb 2 21:11:58 2016 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 21:11:58 -0500 Subject: [talk] Boundary enterprise is going away , anyone have a replacement? Message-ID: <05FA5FD6-01E9-4493-8C0B-4344076EA1E4@ymail.com> All I have been using boundary.com , now owned by bmc software, for ipfix/Netflow analysis and monitoring. Bmc just announced they are shutting down the product next month and shifting to docker monitoring (this isn't a joke) . So what I am looking at for ipfix and Netflow analysis is flowtraq. flowtraq.com; does anyone have any experience with it ? Nfsen works but would be hard to customize to my liking, we need more ipfix data that nfsen is missing ; like end to end nat tracking and alerting . A few people have said that riemann http://riemann.io could work but I would have to roll a lot of my own tooling . So anyone have any advice? I want to track Netflow / ipfix data , tag the data with relevant metadata , develop trends and provide some analysts of the trends. --- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com From mark.saad at ymail.com Tue Feb 2 22:04:10 2016 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 03:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [talk] Papers We Love Presents : Bryan Cantrill on Jails & Solaris Zones References: <1453941452.821507.1454468650106.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1453941452.821507.1454468650106.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> All The Papers we love series is presenting Bryan Cantrill on Jails & Solaris Zones; Thursday, February 11, 2016 7:00 PM http://www.meetup.com/papers-we-love/events/228110831/ I think we should all force Ike to go and ask lots of questions about Jails. :) -- Mark Saad mark.saad at ymail.com From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 10:04:36 2016 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:04:36 -0500 Subject: [talk] Streaming tonight Message-ID: <2315593B-6D25-44BA-A2F4-521182FA7DB7@gmail.com> Hey folks, Have webcam, will travel. Tonight's NYC*BUG: talk shell-fu" Isaac (.ike) Levy will be streamed. http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming Pat From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Feb 3 10:07:02 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:07:02 -0500 Subject: [talk] Streaming tonight In-Reply-To: <2315593B-6D25-44BA-A2F4-521182FA7DB7@gmail.com> References: <2315593B-6D25-44BA-A2F4-521182FA7DB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56B21796.4030501@ceetonetechnology.com> On 02/03/16 10:04, Pat McEvoy wrote: > Hey folks, > Have webcam, will travel. Tonight's > NYC*BUG: talk shell-fu" Isaac (.ike) Levy will be streamed. > > http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming Excellent. Thanks Patrick. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Feb 3 10:08:42 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:08:42 -0500 Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Tonight: Isaac 'Ike' Levy on Shell-Fu Message-ID: <56B217FA.2010506@ceetonetechnology.com> This meeting will be streamed: http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming Tonight, February 3: shell-fu, Isaac (.ike) Levy 18:45, Stone Creek Bar & Lounge: 140 E 27th St Abstract shell-fu in 3 short talks To say everything starts with the shell, is quite an understatement. Portable shell programming does not have to be painful, exposing the raw power of UNIX with shell can even be fun. This talk is relevant for expert and novice alike, aimed at anyone who uses UNIX systems. Not the 'shell tricks' variety of talk, but a language discussion focused on portability, and showing off how simple and profoundly powerful portable shell can be. We will cover: the 3 finger claw technique using atomic filesystem operations general shell-fu, input and variable handling There is always something amazing to learn about sh(1). Speaker Bio Isaac (.ike) Levy is a crusty UNIX Hacker. A long-time community contributor to the *BSD's, ike is obsessed with high-availability and redundant networked servers systems, mostly because he likes to sleep at night. Standing on the shoulders of giants, his background includes partnering to run a Virtual Server ISP before anyone called it a cloud, as well as having a long history building internet-facing infrastructure with UNIX systems. .ike has been a part of NYC*BUG since it was first launched in January 2004. He was a long-time member of the Lower East Side Mac Unix User Group, and is still in denial that this group no longer exists. He has spoken frequently on a number of UNIX and internet security topics at various venues, particularly on the topic of FreeBSD's jail(8). From ike at blackskyresearch.net Wed Feb 3 10:57:15 2016 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 10:57:15 -0500 Subject: [talk] Streaming tonight In-Reply-To: <56B21796.4030501@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <2315593B-6D25-44BA-A2F4-521182FA7DB7@gmail.com> <56B21796.4030501@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <87267A62-D263-45EB-8DB1-8630E9DA0A82@blackskyresearch.net> A quick warning on streaming, > On Feb 3, 2016, at 10:07 AM, George Rosamond wrote: > > On 02/03/16 10:04, Pat McEvoy wrote: >> Hey folks, >> Have webcam, will travel. Tonight's >> NYC*BUG: talk shell-fu" Isaac (.ike) Levy will be streamed. >> >> http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming > > Excellent. > > Thanks Patrick. > > g Patrick's volunteer work on video is always awesome! Yet, if people use this as an excuse not to show up: I don't want the video going out live! (What fun is a presentation like this with no hecklers present?) Best, .ike From justin at shiningsilence.com Wed Feb 3 22:04:44 2016 From: justin at shiningsilence.com (Justin Sherrill) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 22:04:44 -0500 Subject: [talk] Streaming tonight In-Reply-To: <2315593B-6D25-44BA-A2F4-521182FA7DB7@gmail.com> References: <2315593B-6D25-44BA-A2F4-521182FA7DB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Is the recording going to be/is now available? On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Pat McEvoy wrote: > Hey folks, > Have webcam, will travel. Tonight's > NYC*BUG: talk shell-fu" Isaac (.ike) Levy will be streamed. > > http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming > > > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 00:16:22 2016 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 00:16:22 -0500 Subject: [talk] Streaming tonight In-Reply-To: <87267A62-D263-45EB-8DB1-8630E9DA0A82@blackskyresearch.net> References: <2315593B-6D25-44BA-A2F4-521182FA7DB7@gmail.com> <56B21796.4030501@ceetonetechnology.com> <87267A62-D263-45EB-8DB1-8630E9DA0A82@blackskyresearch.net> Message-ID: <7698203D-FFBA-439F-B183-F3C7AB11FD52@gmail.com> > On Feb 3, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > > A quick warning on streaming, > >> On Feb 3, 2016, at 10:07 AM, George Rosamond wrote: >> >>> On 02/03/16 10:04, Pat McEvoy wrote: >>> Hey folks, >>> Have webcam, will travel. Tonight's >>> NYC*BUG: talk shell-fu" Isaac (.ike) Levy will be streamed. >>> >>> http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming >> >> Excellent. >> >> Thanks Patrick. >> >> g > > Patrick's volunteer work on video is always awesome! > > Yet, if people use this as an excuse not to show up: I don't want the video going out live! > > (What fun is a presentation like this with no hecklers present?) > > Best, > .ike > > Thank you. While I understand the sentiment; video can never beat the feel of the room. I love meetings with lots of give and take. One of the reasons I like doing the videos is that I feel that people that can not make it down there are missing out. Unfortunately I did not have a way to stop the live feed as the video capture is integrated into the streaming system. I think a few of the audience participants need to be pushed to share their expertise! After all, we need talks in 2017! Seriously though, it was a fun meeting. Thank you Ike. P > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From ike at blackskyresearch.net Thu Feb 4 09:11:32 2016 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 09:11:32 -0500 Subject: [talk] Streaming tonight In-Reply-To: References: <2315593B-6D25-44BA-A2F4-521182FA7DB7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <350A5887-8222-4FCD-97B9-50773B8DE955@blackskyresearch.net> Hey All, > On Feb 3, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Justin Sherrill wrote: > > Is the recording going to be/is now available? > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Pat McEvoy wrote: >> Hey folks, >> Have webcam, will travel. Tonight's >> NYC*BUG: talk shell-fu" Isaac (.ike) Levy will be streamed. >> >> http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming >> >> >> Pat Slides posted from last night, http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=view&id=10640 Who knew that UNIX people would have such varied and strong feelings about sh(1). Thanks to everyone who got me out of the room alive! (Seriously, thanks for all the incredible input.) Best, .ike From robin.polak at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 10:03:26 2016 From: robin.polak at gmail.com (Robin Polak) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 07:03:26 -0800 Subject: [talk] Streaming tonight In-Reply-To: <350A5887-8222-4FCD-97B9-50773B8DE955@blackskyresearch.net> References: <2315593B-6D25-44BA-A2F4-521182FA7DB7@gmail.com> <350A5887-8222-4FCD-97B9-50773B8DE955@blackskyresearch.net> Message-ID: I regret not being able to be there. Thanks for posting slides. I've always enjoyed your talks. On Thursday, February 4, 2016, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > Hey All, > > > On Feb 3, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Justin Sherrill > wrote: > > > > Is the recording going to be/is now available? > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Pat McEvoy > wrote: > >> Hey folks, > >> Have webcam, will travel. Tonight's > >> NYC*BUG: talk shell-fu" Isaac (.ike) Levy will be streamed. > >> > >> http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming > >> > >> > >> Pat > > > Slides posted from last night, > > http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=view&id=10640 > > Who knew that UNIX people would have such varied and strong feelings about > sh(1). Thanks to everyone who got me out of the room alive! (Seriously, > thanks for all the incredible input.) > > Best, > .ike > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -- Robin Polak E-Mail: robin.polak at gmail.com V. 917-494-2080 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've > always enjoyed your talks. > > > On Thursday, February 4, 2016, Isaac (.ike) Levy > wrote: > >> Hey All, >> >> > On Feb 3, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Justin Sherrill >> wrote: >> > >> > Is the recording going to be/is now available? >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Pat McEvoy >> wrote: >> >> Hey folks, >> >> Have webcam, will travel. Tonight's >> >> NYC*BUG: talk shell-fu" Isaac (.ike) Levy will be streamed. >> >> >> >> http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming >> >> >> >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> Slides posted from last night, >> >> http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=view&id=10640 >> >> Who knew that UNIX people would have such varied and strong feelings >> about sh(1). Thanks to everyone who got me out of the room alive! >> (Seriously, thanks for all the incredible input.) >> >> Best, >> .ike >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk >> > > > -- > Robin Polak > E-Mail: robin.polak at gmail.com > V. 917-494-2080 > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ike at blackskyresearch.net Thu Feb 4 12:54:37 2016 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 12:54:37 -0500 Subject: [talk] Streaming tonight In-Reply-To: References: <2315593B-6D25-44BA-A2F4-521182FA7DB7@gmail.com> <350A5887-8222-4FCD-97B9-50773B8DE955@blackskyresearch.net> Message-ID: <05A91FC0-6F12-45BC-AB2A-4630E45F40E4@blackskyresearch.net> > On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Ariel S?nchez wrote: > > Ike, your link in page 11 of the PDF tells me its forbidden > > http://www.nycbug.org/event/10636/ The line visually breaks in the pdf, which appears to break clicking on it, The presentation deck I referenced, http://www.nycbug.org/event/10636/NYCBug.20151119.srb.pdf The video is likewise linked from the nycbug site, http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=view&id=10636 Best, .ike > > I know I'm a noob and everything but... > > best, Ariel > > Ariel Sanchez Mora > > "The best way out is always through."?Robert Frost > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Robin Polak wrote: > I regret not being able to be there. Thanks for posting slides. I've always enjoyed your talks. > > > On Thursday, February 4, 2016, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > Hey All, > > > On Feb 3, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Justin Sherrill wrote: > > > > Is the recording going to be/is now available? > > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Pat McEvoy wrote: > >> Hey folks, > >> Have webcam, will travel. Tonight's > >> NYC*BUG: talk shell-fu" Isaac (.ike) Levy will be streamed. > >> > >> http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming > >> > >> > >> Pat > > > Slides posted from last night, > > http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=view&id=10640 > > Who knew that UNIX people would have such varied and strong feelings about sh(1). Thanks to everyone who got me out of the room alive! (Seriously, thanks for all the incredible input.) > > Best, > .ike > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > > -- > Robin Polak > E-Mail: robin.polak at gmail.com > V. 917-494-2080 > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Feb 4 13:17:28 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 13:17:28 -0500 Subject: [talk] Streaming tonight In-Reply-To: <05A91FC0-6F12-45BC-AB2A-4630E45F40E4@blackskyresearch.net> References: <2315593B-6D25-44BA-A2F4-521182FA7DB7@gmail.com> <350A5887-8222-4FCD-97B9-50773B8DE955@blackskyresearch.net> <05A91FC0-6F12-45BC-AB2A-4630E45F40E4@blackskyresearch.net> Message-ID: <56B395B8.6060301@ceetonetechnology.com> On 02/04/16 12:54, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Ariel S?nchez wrote: >> >> Ike, your link in page 11 of the PDF tells me its forbidden >> >> http://www.nycbug.org/event/10636/ > > > The line visually breaks in the pdf, which appears to break clicking on it, > > The presentation deck I referenced, > http://www.nycbug.org/event/10636/NYCBug.20151119.srb.pdf > > The video is likewise linked from the nycbug site, > http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=view&id=10636 > I am not in a position to download the slides, and dont quite remember, but one streaming viewer in the UK pointed out that you placed tcsh *after* csh in your shell chronology. If it's the case, I think it's safe to assume that it's an editing oversight, and not a mistake. This is what happens when NYC*BUG meetings become mainstream viewing. Can we block the UK from streaming? Anyone from Netflix here? What about users trying to bypass with proxies? ;) g From jschauma at netmeister.org Thu Feb 4 13:54:40 2016 From: jschauma at netmeister.org (Jan Schaumann) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 13:54:40 -0500 Subject: [talk] Streaming tonight In-Reply-To: <350A5887-8222-4FCD-97B9-50773B8DE955@blackskyresearch.net> References: <2315593B-6D25-44BA-A2F4-521182FA7DB7@gmail.com> <350A5887-8222-4FCD-97B9-50773B8DE955@blackskyresearch.net> Message-ID: <20160204185440.GL4230@netmeister.org> "Isaac (.ike) Levy" wrote: > Slides posted from last night, > > http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=view&id=10640 Nice job! People into this sort of thing may also find this of interest: https://www.cs.stevens.edu/~jschauma/615/examples/shexamples I use it to illustrate to students some of the features and peculiarities of bourne shell-fu. -Jan From mcevoy.pat at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 15:52:00 2016 From: mcevoy.pat at gmail.com (Pat McEvoy) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 15:52:00 -0500 Subject: [talk] Streaming tonight In-Reply-To: <56B395B8.6060301@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <2315593B-6D25-44BA-A2F4-521182FA7DB7@gmail.com> <350A5887-8222-4FCD-97B9-50773B8DE955@blackskyresearch.net> <05A91FC0-6F12-45BC-AB2A-4630E45F40E4@blackskyresearch.net> <56B395B8.6060301@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <6D32057B-6E81-4963-B9D5-7723FCE4795D@gmail.com> > On Feb 4, 2016, at 1:17 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > >> On 02/04/16 12:54, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: >> >>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Ariel S?nchez wrote: >>> >>> Ike, your link in page 11 of the PDF tells me its forbidden >>> >>> http://www.nycbug.org/event/10636/ >> >> >> The line visually breaks in the pdf, which appears to break clicking on it, >> >> The presentation deck I referenced, >> http://www.nycbug.org/event/10636/NYCBug.20151119.srb.pdf >> >> The video is likewise linked from the nycbug site, >> http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=view&id=10636 > > I am not in a position to download the slides, and dont quite remember, > but one streaming viewer in the UK pointed out that you placed tcsh > *after* csh in your shell chronology. > > If it's the case, I think it's safe to assume that it's an editing > oversight, and not a mistake. > > This is what happens when NYC*BUG meetings become mainstream viewing. > > Can we block the UK from streaming? Anyone from Netflix here? What > about users trying to bypass with proxies? > > ;) > > g > This would child's play for Alan. But why deny a whole country, even if it is the UK. ( the previous comment was pure jest, St Patrick's day is fast approaching) > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Feb 4 16:27:56 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 16:27:56 -0500 Subject: [talk] July meeting on Retro/LiteBSDs Message-ID: <56B3C25C.9000603@ceetonetechnology.com> One of our upcoming meetings is Brian C about RetroBSD and LiteBSD, two of the smallest BSDs ported for microcontrollers based on the MIPS chip. For those not familiar, think the square root of a Raspberry Pi. http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=view&id=10645 Both Retro and Lite are being actively developed, and the door is wide open to contributions. https://github.com/sergev/LiteBSD/wiki http://www.retrobsd.org https://github.com/RetroBSD/retrobsd Both sites provide a list of supported hardware, and we hope that this meeting extends the number of people hacking on these MIPS boards. We may be looking into getting a discount code on the hardware. On the other hand, all of it is reasonably inexpensive. For those looking to start contributing, or at least dipping their toes in the water, it makes sense to download the images and clone the GitHub repositories before the meeting. Let us know of your experiences onlist. g From bcallah at devio.us Thu Feb 4 16:32:52 2016 From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 16:32:52 -0500 Subject: [talk] July meeting on Retro/LiteBSDs In-Reply-To: <56B3C25C.9000603@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <56B3C25C.9000603@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <56B3C384.1090403@devio.us> On 2/4/2016 4:27 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > One of our upcoming meetings is Brian C about RetroBSD and LiteBSD, two > of the smallest BSDs ported for microcontrollers based on the MIPS chip. > For those not familiar, think the square root of a Raspberry Pi. > > http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=view&id=10645 > > Both Retro and Lite are being actively developed, and the door is wide > open to contributions. > > https://github.com/sergev/LiteBSD/wiki > > http://www.retrobsd.org > > https://github.com/RetroBSD/retrobsd > > Both sites provide a list of supported hardware, and we hope that this > meeting extends the number of people hacking on these MIPS boards. > > We may be looking into getting a discount code on the hardware. On the > other hand, all of it is reasonably inexpensive. > > For those looking to start contributing, or at least dipping their toes > in the water, it makes sense to download the images and clone the GitHub > repositories before the meeting. > > Let us know of your experiences onlist. > Additionally, there is a simulator for RetroBSD and a fork of qemu for LiteBSD. Unfortunately, both only seem to build on Mac OS X and Linux (perhaps a project for someone is to get a *BSD build environment going?). All help wanted and appreciated! ~Brian From spork at bway.net Thu Feb 4 18:15:33 2016 From: spork at bway.net (Charles Sprickman) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 18:15:33 -0500 Subject: [talk] Streaming tonight In-Reply-To: <350A5887-8222-4FCD-97B9-50773B8DE955@blackskyresearch.net> References: <2315593B-6D25-44BA-A2F4-521182FA7DB7@gmail.com> <350A5887-8222-4FCD-97B9-50773B8DE955@blackskyresearch.net> Message-ID: <25807E9A-A8A1-4CDC-9442-8A7B9EE767E9@bway.net> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > > Hey All, > >> On Feb 3, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Justin Sherrill wrote: >> >> Is the recording going to be/is now available? >> >> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Pat McEvoy wrote: >>> Hey folks, >>> Have webcam, will travel. Tonight's >>> NYC*BUG: talk shell-fu" Isaac (.ike) Levy will be streamed. >>> >>> http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=streaming >>> >>> >>> Pat > > > Slides posted from last night, > > http://www.nycbug.org/index.cgi?action=view&id=10640 Will the video eventually show up here as well? Thanks, C > > Who knew that UNIX people would have such varied and strong feelings about sh(1). Thanks to everyone who got me out of the room alive! (Seriously, thanks for all the incredible input.) > > Best, > .ike > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From nycbug-talk at reynolds.users.panix.com Thu Feb 4 20:54:23 2016 From: nycbug-talk at reynolds.users.panix.com (Brian Reynolds) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 20:54:23 -0500 Subject: [talk] Korn Shell Anecdote Message-ID: <20160205015422.GA4977@panix.com> Last night's Shell Fu meeting was a lot of fun. It wasn't until I was out of the bar that I remembered an amusing Korn shell story from years ago. It involves a Microsoft presenter running into reality at a Usenix LISA NT conference in Seattle. I originally thought I saw it on rec.humor.funny, but it turns out that the best version of it that I could find is in the freebsd-chat archives at: Apparently this has been confirmed be people who were there, and a much shortened version even appears in the David Korn page at wikipedia. So it must be true. -- Brian Reynolds | "It's just like flying a spaceship. reynolds at panix.com | You push some buttons and see https://www.panix.com/~reynolds/ | what happens." -- Zapp Brannigan NAR# 54438 | From jkeen at verizon.net Fri Feb 5 06:09:25 2016 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 06:09:25 -0500 Subject: [talk] Korn Shell Anecdote In-Reply-To: <20160205015422.GA4977@panix.com> References: <20160205015422.GA4977@panix.com> Message-ID: <56B482E5.8050902@verizon.net> On 02/04/2016 08:54 PM, Brian Reynolds wrote: > Last night's Shell Fu meeting was a lot of fun. > > It wasn't until I was out of the bar that I remembered an amusing Korn > shell story from years ago. It involves a Microsoft presenter running > into reality at a Usenix LISA NT conference in Seattle. I originally > thought I saw it on rec.humor.funny, but it turns out that the best > version of it that I could find is in the freebsd-chat archives at: > > > > Apparently this has been confirmed be people who were there, and a > much shortened version even appears in the David Korn page at > wikipedia. So it must be true. > ISTR David Korn himself relating this story at a NYLUG meeting held at IBM on 57th St in 2000. jimk From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Feb 5 15:35:28 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:35:28 -0500 Subject: [talk] Tor Browser 5.5 for OpenBSD Message-ID: <56B50790.2010906@ceetonetechnology.com> Greetings all. Tor Browser 5.5 for OpenBSD/amd64 -current is completed. Here's our announce below: TDP Announce for Tor Browser 5.5 for OpenBSD 20160205 The Tor BSD Diversity Project https://torbsd.github.io/ The Tor BSD Diversity Project (TDP) is proud to announce the release of Tor Browser (TB) version 5.5 for OpenBSD. Please note that this version of TB remains in development mode, and is not meant to ensure strong privacy, anonymity or security. TDP (https://torbsd.github.io) is an effort to extend the use of the BSD Unixes into the Tor ecosystem, from the desktop to the network. The 5.5 version is the eighth Tor Browser release from TDP. To install TB for OpenBSD, please see http://mirrors.nycbug.org/pub/snapshots/packages/amd64/README-55.txt TDP is focused on diversifying the Tor network, with TB being the flagship project. Additional efforts are made to increase the number of *BSD relays on the Tor network among other sub-projects. TDP's source code repository resides at http://github.com/torbsd/ TDP is seeking funding to continue and extend its efforts. Please contact us if interested in assisting TDP, allowing us to dedicate more time to the project. From ike at blackskyresearch.net Fri Feb 5 16:45:46 2016 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 16:45:46 -0500 Subject: [talk] Tor Browser 5.5 for OpenBSD In-Reply-To: <56B50790.2010906@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <56B50790.2010906@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <6B744403-9B12-4B72-8134-11A0F56335C0@blackskyresearch.net> > On Feb 5, 2016, at 3:35 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > > Greetings all. Tor Browser 5.5 for OpenBSD/amd64 -current is completed. > Here's our announce below: > > TDP Announce for Tor Browser 5.5 for OpenBSD > 20160205 > The Tor BSD Diversity Project > https://torbsd.github.io/ > > The Tor BSD Diversity Project (TDP) is proud to announce the release of > Tor Browser (TB) version 5.5 for OpenBSD. Please note that this version > of TB remains in development mode, and is not meant to ensure strong > privacy, anonymity or security. > > TDP (https://torbsd.github.io) is an effort to extend the use of the BSD > Unixes into the Tor ecosystem, from the desktop to the network. > > The 5.5 version is the eighth Tor Browser release from TDP. > > To install TB for OpenBSD, please see > http://mirrors.nycbug.org/pub/snapshots/packages/amd64/README-55.txt > > TDP is focused on diversifying the Tor network, with TB being the > flagship project. Additional efforts are made to increase the number of > *BSD relays on the Tor network among other sub-projects. > > TDP's source code repository resides at http://github.com/torbsd/ > > TDP is seeking funding to continue and extend its efforts. Please > contact us if interested in assisting TDP, allowing us to dedicate more > time to the project. WOW. This is really exciting to see hit the street! Best, .ike From kmsujit at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 21:26:04 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 07:56:04 +0530 Subject: [talk] Korn Shell Anecdote In-Reply-To: <20160205015422.GA4977@panix.com> References: <20160205015422.GA4977@panix.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Brian Reynolds wrote: > Last night's Shell Fu meeting was a lot of fun. > > It wasn't until I was out of the bar that I remembered an amusing Korn > shell story from years ago. It involves a Microsoft presenter running > into reality at a Usenix LISA NT conference in Seattle. I originally > thought I saw it on rec.humor.funny, but it turns out that the best > version of it that I could find is in the freebsd-chat archives at: > > > > Apparently this has been confirmed be people who were there, and a > much shortened version even appears in the David Korn page at > wikipedia. So it must be true. > A small anecdote nearly at the same time, when we group of friends were in college. We strongly believed NT Server used a Unix Shell(Any?). At the same time many believed Microsoft was making use of FreeBSD Server, without any credit. From viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 14:52:11 2016 From: viewtiful.icchan at gmail.com (Robert Menes) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 14:52:11 -0500 Subject: [talk] Thompson shell port to modern *nix Message-ID: Hey all, I mentioned a port of Thompson shell at Ike's Shell-fu talk last week, so after digging around, I found the link to the project's site. Here it is: http://v6shell.org/ AFAIK this is about as old school as old school gets. Have fun and kick it old school for a change. :) --Robert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's in both the FreeBSD and OpenBSD ports. shells/osh g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Feb 9 17:12:32 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 17:12:32 -0500 Subject: [talk] Fwd: flashrd 2.0 In-Reply-To: <20160209212050.GB4470@ref.nmedia.net> References: <20160209212050.GB4470@ref.nmedia.net> Message-ID: <56BA6450.7070707@ceetonetechnology.com> FYI. I mentioned flashrd at the installfest in January. This is the first release in a while. Haven't touched the new one yet, but it's a nice light OpenBSD system that even works well on ancient Soekris 4801s, with an easy upgrade method. g -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: flashrd 2.0 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 13:20:50 -0800 From: Chris Cappuccio To: flashrd at lists.130collective.org The mailing list moved to a new server. I don't have an MLM up, and Fred Cirera can no longer host the list, so Tim Howe volunteered to host it. The new list address is: flashrd at lists.130collective.org In reference to the last message on the list, http://lists.130collective.org/pipermail/flashrd/2015-October/000173.html the latest flashrd is now ready for consumption. Version 2.0 includes a number of improvements from Brian Conway and Fred Cirera. I also fixed a bug thanks to a tip from Kenneth Westerback. I was abusing the vnd driver to create sparse backing store files. The sparse file support was intended to allow use of sparse files, not to create them. This bug was brought to light by various changes in vnd support over the past few releases. This version fixes all known (to me) issues with various kernel layouts not booting up. This fix was described in the email referenced above; it is in an OpenBSD driver, not in flashrd. Brian and Fred also improved a number of other areas, including allowing /etc to be a untarred to tmpfs on boot (tardir support), /var/tmp support for newer system versions, 4MB alignment for cheap flash (not sure how much this buys us, but the cost is small), no more building the bootstrap with PIE (unsupported on i386, so i386 release was broke in flashrd 1.9). Thanks Brian and Fred for your efforts! I put up images based on OpenBSD 5.9 "pre-release". OpenBSD 5.9 isn't finalized yet, but we are past the "5.9-beta" tag. This version of OpenBSD includes significant networking improvements, speed improvements, Xen guest support, and more that may be interesting to flashrd users. I'm loading this release on a number of ALIX (i386) and Core 2 Duo Supermicro w/USB (amd64) boxes right now... _______________________________________________ flashrd mailing list flashrd at lists.130collective.org http://lists.130collective.org/mailman/listinfo/flashrd From jhb at freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 13:31:38 2016 From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 10:31:38 -0800 Subject: [talk] FreeBSD 10.2-stable "random device not loaded" In-Reply-To: <72012210.7027610.1451942583629.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20151219211222.GA84778@jimby.name> <72012210.7027610.1451942583629.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10554198.i9Q7UjYdGd@ralph.baldwin.cx> FYI, I chased this down and have just committed a fix to stable/10 that will be present in 10.3. Thanks to Mark for helping with testing (and your collective prodding). I don't think that the places affected (search for SI_SUB_RANDOM in the tree before my commit) "matter" and I do not believe there is any plan to backport this change to older releases as an EN. https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=295480 -- John Baldwin From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Feb 10 14:44:59 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 14:44:59 -0500 Subject: [talk] FreeBSD 10.2-stable "random device not loaded" In-Reply-To: <10554198.i9Q7UjYdGd@ralph.baldwin.cx> References: <20151219211222.GA84778@jimby.name> <72012210.7027610.1451942583629.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <10554198.i9Q7UjYdGd@ralph.baldwin.cx> Message-ID: <56BB933B.2010607@ceetonetechnology.com> On 02/10/16 13:31, John Baldwin wrote: > FYI, I chased this down and have just committed a fix to stable/10 that will be > present in 10.3. Thanks to Mark for helping with testing (and your collective > prodding). I don't think that the places affected (search for SI_SUB_RANDOM in > the tree before my commit) "matter" and I do not believe there is any plan to > backport this change to older releases as an EN. > > https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=295480 > Yes. I ended up having offline discussions with Mark about it instead of posting to talk at . My bad. Other priorities took over. Thanks john. g From mark.saad at ymail.com Tue Feb 16 08:59:25 2016 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 08:59:25 -0500 Subject: [talk] Up board Message-ID: <9C61A641-83F8-4590-A45B-55003000CC88@ymail.com> Hi talk Has anyone see the up-board . It's a raspberry pi form factor but it's an Intel cherry trail chip . So far it only has 2g of ram, but for ~$100 it looks like it could be interesting. http://up-shop.org/up-boards/19-up-board-2gb-32-gb-emmc-memory.html --- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com From ike at blackskyresearch.net Tue Feb 16 10:33:16 2016 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 10:33:16 -0500 Subject: [talk] NYS Right to Repair Bill Message-ID: Hey All, To all the New Yorkers on this list, I ran past some petition for a "right to repair" bill. http://newyork.repair.org/#tellstory The "Fair Repair Bill, known as S3998 in the State Senate and A6068 in the State Assembly". -- Interesting, I just blabbed about various Apple woes at work, modern Lenovo wireless card replacement, FTDI driver issues, and "Enterprise" support woes from the world of commercial networking products. Really cathartic to write out the painful grievances of a sysadmin which the world doesn't care about (or does it?). Anyhow, curious to hear if anyone on list has any thoughts on this thing? Best, .ike From ike at blackskyresearch.net Tue Feb 16 10:33:50 2016 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 10:33:50 -0500 Subject: [talk] Up board In-Reply-To: <9C61A641-83F8-4590-A45B-55003000CC88@ymail.com> References: <9C61A641-83F8-4590-A45B-55003000CC88@ymail.com> Message-ID: <25CA30CD-0A42-4974-95B5-E2C35F6D141F@blackskyresearch.net> > On Feb 16, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Mark Saad wrote: > > Hi talk > Has anyone see the up-board . It's a raspberry pi form factor but it's an Intel cherry trail chip . So far it only has 2g of ram, but for ~$100 it looks like it could be interesting. > > http://up-shop.org/up-boards/19-up-board-2gb-32-gb-emmc-memory.html Wow. Feels pricey, but could be rad... Rocket- .ike From justin at shiningsilence.com Tue Feb 16 14:53:52 2016 From: justin at shiningsilence.com (Justin Sherrill) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 14:53:52 -0500 Subject: [talk] NYS Right to Repair Bill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I saw this a little while ago and sent the (autogenerated through that site) note to my local representative, which is Rich Funke. He is all in favor of the bill, which is good to hear, though now I get all sorts of emails from his organization (annoying). The old saw about a physical letter or a visit being 10x as effective as an email probably applies, but it definitely works to send a message through it. It's worth following up on, since there's a lot of organizations that really want to turn our devices into solid-state rented miniature TVs - and the usage pattern of most people out there supports that. On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Isaac (.ike) Levy wrote: > Hey All, > > To all the New Yorkers on this list, I ran past some petition for a "right to repair" bill. > > http://newyork.repair.org/#tellstory > > The "Fair Repair Bill, known as S3998 in the State Senate and A6068 in the State Assembly". > > -- > Interesting, I just blabbed about various Apple woes at work, modern Lenovo wireless card replacement, FTDI driver issues, and "Enterprise" support woes from the world of commercial networking products. Really cathartic to write out the painful grievances of a sysadmin which the world doesn't care about (or does it?). > > Anyhow, curious to hear if anyone on list has any thoughts on this thing? > > Best, > .ike > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Feb 16 15:29:56 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:29:56 -0500 Subject: [talk] NYS Right to Repair Bill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56C386C4.8020700@ceetonetechnology.com> On 02/16/16 14:53, Justin Sherrill wrote: > I saw this a little while ago and sent the (autogenerated through that > site) note to my local representative, which is Rich Funke. He is all > in favor of the bill, which is good to hear, though now I get all > sorts of emails from his organization (annoying). > > The old saw about a physical letter or a visit being 10x as effective > as an email probably applies, but it definitely works to send a > message through it. > > It's worth following up on, since there's a lot of organizations that > really want to turn our devices into solid-state rented miniature TVs > - and the usage pattern of most people out there supports that. The surveillance issue is certainly important, and horrifying. I'm sure at some point TWC will admit digitizing cable boxes meant they could begin behavioral studies at residences for advertisers and their own purposes. But the other angle is the loss of tinkering in advanced industrialized economies, meaning everything from replacing a ceiling fan to getting replacement parts. A bunch of us have had this discussion over a long period of time. 1975: schematics for your TV were part of the purchase, and parts could be ordered easily. Today: throw your TV out since it only has a planned lifespan of three years, and buy a new one. And it's not that people are wealthier, IMHO, but rather the 'right to repair' has been subsumed by those who'd prefer we just buy new ones. And into the trash also goes the ability to creatively fix devices. One of the ironies is that lots of WWII documentaries referred to this huge advantage the US was purported to have since tinkering was such a central skill, particularly out of the 1930s, prompted hacking some cool solutions to various military problems. Of course, that advantage went beyond the US.... What about today? It seems that less developed economies tend to have people skilled at tinkering. And our systems are extremely brittle today. They don't fail gracefully, and failures cascade (er, sounding Unix enough? :) Meanwhile in less-developed economies failure is expected, and don't cascade since systems are less interconnected. And people regularly fix a broken knob with little flash. Now we have a society of elementary school kids who can't tie their shoelaces and can't write a legible sentence with a pencil. g From jesse at emptysquare.net Tue Feb 16 19:38:49 2016 From: jesse at emptysquare.net (A. Jesse Jiryu Davis) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 16:38:49 -0800 Subject: [talk] Is getaddrinfo thread-safe on NetBSD? Message-ID: Hi, it's me again, and I'm asking about getaddrinfo again, but this time on NetBSD. There's evidence that it was made thread-safe around NetBSD 4.0, but I can't find a specific commit or bug report. Question: Can you help me find evidence of a bugfix in NetBSD that made getaddrinfo thread-safe? Background: CPython has long treated getaddrinfo as *not* thread-safe on all BSDs, including Mac OS X. It's been updated to allow multithreaded getaddrinfo calls on FreeBSD 5.3+, and I just updated it for Mac OS X 10.5+ with your help: http://bugs.python.org/issue25924 I can update CPython on OpenBSD easily because OpenBSD 5.4's release notes say "getaddrinfo(3) is now thread-safe". So, NetBSD is the last frontier. Between NetBSD 3 and 4, the man page was updated to remove the "bugs: getaddrinfo is not thread-safe" warning. But NetBSD 4's changelog does not, AFAICT, actually say that getaddrinfo was fixed. Thanks! Jesse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmsujit at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 22:08:39 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 08:38:39 +0530 Subject: [talk] Up board In-Reply-To: <9C61A641-83F8-4590-A45B-55003000CC88@ymail.com> References: <9C61A641-83F8-4590-A45B-55003000CC88@ymail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Mark Saad wrote: > Hi talk > Has anyone see the up-board . It's a raspberry pi form factor but it's an Intel cherry trail chip . So far it only has 2g of ram, but for ~$100 it looks like it could be interesting. > > http://up-shop.org/up-boards/19-up-board-2gb-32-gb-emmc-memory.html > I purchased something similar at http://nextthing.co/. A 9$ computer. From george at ceetonetechnology.com Tue Feb 16 22:47:52 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 22:47:52 -0500 Subject: [talk] Up board In-Reply-To: References: <9C61A641-83F8-4590-A45B-55003000CC88@ymail.com> Message-ID: <56C3ED68.1080708@ceetonetechnology.com> On 02/16/16 22:08, Sujit K M wrote: > On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Mark Saad wrote: >> Hi talk >> Has anyone see the up-board . It's a raspberry pi form factor but it's an Intel cherry trail chip . So far it only has 2g of ram, but for ~$100 it looks like it could be interesting. >> >> http://up-shop.org/up-boards/19-up-board-2gb-32-gb-emmc-memory.html >> > > I purchased something similar at http://nextthing.co/. A 9$ computer. Vaguely similar is more like it. Look at the recent thread about the CHIP on freebsd-arm at . That board has a quarter of the RAM, and porting to a BSD is a bit more of a chore. It also isn't likely to be sustainable as a business, since the manufacturing cost is $16 while it's selling for $9. They intend to make money off peripherals, etc. More like a toy to let your cat play with IMHO. g From mark.saad at ymail.com Wed Feb 17 09:07:09 2016 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 09:07:09 -0500 Subject: [talk] Up board In-Reply-To: <56C3ED68.1080708@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <9C61A641-83F8-4590-A45B-55003000CC88@ymail.com> <56C3ED68.1080708@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: > On Feb 16, 2016, at 10:47 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > >> On 02/16/16 22:08, Sujit K M wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Mark Saad wrote: >>> Hi talk >>> Has anyone see the up-board . It's a raspberry pi form factor but it's an Intel cherry trail chip . So far it only has 2g of ram, but for ~$100 it looks like it could be interesting. >>> >>> http://up-shop.org/up-boards/19-up-board-2gb-32-gb-emmc-memory.html >> >> I purchased something similar at http://nextthing.co/. A 9$ computer. > > Vaguely similar is more like it. > > Look at the recent thread about the CHIP on freebsd-arm at . > > That board has a quarter of the RAM, and porting to a BSD is a bit more > of a chore. It also isn't likely to be sustainable as a business, since > the manufacturing cost is $16 while it's selling for $9. They intend to > make money off peripherals, etc. > > More like a toy to let your cat play with IMHO. > > g > > __________________________________ On the chip I don't get the target market . Yes it's interesting and inexpensive . But as George said they are loosing $8/device on each sale . For the cost I should get one to see what it can do . What I did pickup , is the sandisk connect sdws4 . 25 bucks it's a 32gig USB stick and a small armv6 128m ram with a g wireless nic . It runs some UNIX , the legal nots reference the FreeBSD project a few time and some gnu bits . So why is this thing of interest . One I needed a USB stick the other day . This works out of the box as a standard fat32 formatted disk , and you can interact with it via http + dav . For my next trick I'll make ipxe boot a server off this . In all seriousness It works well the battery works about a day of moderate usage . > _____________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From ike at blackskyresearch.net Wed Feb 17 17:00:15 2016 From: ike at blackskyresearch.net (Isaac (.ike) Levy) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 17:00:15 -0500 Subject: [talk] Free Hard Drives Message-ID: Hi All, Free disks. If anyone's in need, a friend on the LES wrote me with this: > I have nine lacie porsche 250GB firewire disks I secure-erased and was hoping to free-cycle. Also a bunch of Maxtor firtewire/usb and internal ATAs. Can you think of anyplace that might want some or all of them? Hit me offlist if interested, I'd be happy to hook you up with the person who has the drives. Best, .ike From kmsujit at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 22:01:44 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 08:31:44 +0530 Subject: [talk] Up board In-Reply-To: References: <9C61A641-83F8-4590-A45B-55003000CC88@ymail.com> <56C3ED68.1080708@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: > > On the chip I don't get the target market . Yes it's interesting and inexpensive . But as George said they are loosing $8/device on each sale . > > For the cost I should get one to see what it can do . Just for your cats to play as George Pointed. I mean it give a shell in pocket Linux(Debian Based), which Android does not provide (one of primary reasons I went for this one.) and it is only 9$ though with the accessories I wanted I had to give 60$. From cmacgreg at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 19:03:29 2016 From: cmacgreg at gmail.com (Craig MacGregor) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 19:03:29 -0500 Subject: [talk] Up board In-Reply-To: <25CA30CD-0A42-4974-95B5-E2C35F6D141F@blackskyresearch.net> References: <9C61A641-83F8-4590-A45B-55003000CC88@ymail.com> <25CA30CD-0A42-4974-95B5-E2C35F6D141F@blackskyresearch.net> Message-ID: Maybe I just have a lot of SO-DIMMs and old cases lying around, and don't really need something Pi-sized... I bought one of the ASRock Celeron J1900-based motherboards; it runs FreeBSD like a champ, and it's pretty good for a home ZFS file server, since it has 4xSATA ports. The processor is comparable (or better) and adding 2GB RAM shouldn't really cost too much more than $20 either, so it still comes in at <$100 for a "real", but small, motherboard. This is actually the next gen; probably nearly twice as fast as the Up or the J1900 models, and still has 4xSATA (but I can't confirm how well it runs *BSD): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157621 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmsujit at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 23:22:14 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 09:52:14 +0530 Subject: [talk] Up board In-Reply-To: References: <9C61A641-83F8-4590-A45B-55003000CC88@ymail.com> <25CA30CD-0A42-4974-95B5-E2C35F6D141F@blackskyresearch.net> Message-ID: > This is actually the next gen; probably nearly twice as fast as the Up or > the J1900 models, and still has 4xSATA (but I can't confirm how well it runs > *BSD): I doubt. They are saying DirectX in the product information page. I am not quite sure whether they mean the Graphics System. Also It is intel 8th Generation. > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157621 Just browsed found www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157511 Just my two cents. From jun at soum.co.jp Fri Feb 19 02:16:23 2016 From: jun at soum.co.jp (Jun Ebihara) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:16:23 +0900 (JST) Subject: [talk] AsiaBSDCon 2016 May.10-13 Online Registration Open! Message-ID: <20160219.161623.1825567386087443111.jun@soum.co.jp> Registration Page: https://2016.asiabsdcon.org/registration/?lang=en Place:Morito Memorial Hall at Kagurazaka Tokyo https://2016.asiabsdcon.org/access.html.en Day 1: Tutorials and Small Meetings I March 10, 2016 Thu FreeBSD Developer Summit (3/10-11, invited only, visit this URL) bhyvecon 2016 An Introduction to the FreeBSD Open-Source Operating System, Dr. Marshall Kirk McKusick (March 10 and 11) (D)Tracing FreeBSD for DevOps and Developers, George V. Neville-Neil (March 10 and 11) Connecting remote offices using SSH reverse tunneling, Oskar Fagerfjall (March 10) Day 2: Tutorials and Small Meetings II March 11, 2016 Fri NetBSD Developer Summit (3/11, invited only) http://wiki.netbsd.org/summits/asiabsdcon_2016_netbsd_summit/ === add wiki your login name. NetBSD BoF (3/11) http://wiki.netbsd.org/summits/AsiaBSDCon_2016_NetBSD_BOF/ *BSD Vendor Summit (3/11) An Introduction to the FreeBSD Open-Source Operating System, Dr. Marshall Kirk McKusick (D)Tracing FreeBSD for DevOps and Developers George V. Neville-Neil Secure BSD Web Application Development in C Kristaps Dzonsons Getting Started with the FreeBSD Documentation and Translation Projects Dru Lavigne and Benedict Reuschling Day 3: Paper Session I March 12, 2016 Sat CheriBSD: A research fork of FreeBSD, Brooks Davis bhyve ATA emulation, Mihai Carabas How to break long-term compatibility in NetBSD, Joerg Sonnenberger FreeBSD Test Cluster Automation, Kamil Czekirda Implementation of Xen PVHVM drivers in OpenBSD, Mike Belopuhov Xen HVMlite and FreeBSD, Roger Pau Monn FreeBSD based high density filers, Baptiste Daroussin Bitrig ports: BSD ports, packages, and Uncommon Operating Systems, John C. Vernaleo TLEM, very high speed link emulation, Luigi Rizzo diskctl(8): A permissively-licensed S.M.A.R.T. and raw disk command utility framework, Michael Dexter Peripheral-side USB support for NetBSD, Hiroyuki Bessho Banquet (in Arcadia Ichigaya) Day 4: Paper Session I March 13, 2016 Sat CloudABI: Pure capability-based security for UNIX, Ed Schouten Type-aware kernel virtual memory access, Daniel Lovasko Improving the FreeBSD Translation Tools, Warren Block Through the Wire: Measurement and Improvement of a software based IPSec implementation, George V. Neville-Neil Booting from Encrypted Disks on FreeBSD, Allan Jude Running an ISP on OpenBSD, Henning Brauer Keynote K02: Steve Bourne Improving High-Bandwidth TLS in the FreeBSD kernel , Scott Long SocialBSD: A Review of Diversity and Inclusivity Initiatives in the *BSD Community and Imagining Future Pathways, Brian Robert Callahan OpenBSD rc.d(8), Antoine Jacoutot A Brief History of the BSD Fast Filesystem ,Marshall Kirk McKusick FreeBSD on Cavium ThunderX System on a Chip , Zbigniew Bodek Work-in-Progress Session See http://www.soum.co.jp/~jun/asiabsdcon2015.pdf I'll make NetBSD BOF and NetBSD booth! https://www.facebook.com/NetBSD.jp .. Faces of strummer that fell from the wall. But nothing is left where they hung. -- Jun Ebihara From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Feb 19 12:10:48 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 12:10:48 -0500 Subject: [talk] Up board In-Reply-To: References: <9C61A641-83F8-4590-A45B-55003000CC88@ymail.com> <25CA30CD-0A42-4974-95B5-E2C35F6D141F@blackskyresearch.net> Message-ID: <56C74C98.1070107@ceetonetechnology.com> On 02/18/16 23:22, Sujit K M wrote: >> This is actually the next gen; probably nearly twice as fast as the >> Up or the J1900 models, and still has 4xSATA (but I can't confirm >> how well it runs *BSD): > > I doubt. They are saying DirectX in the product information page. I > am not quite sure whether they mean the Graphics System. Also It is > intel 8th Generation. > >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157621 > > Just browsed found > www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157511 > > Just my two cents. > Yes... I think small or mini-itx amd64 boards are a lot more appetizing than a $9 cat toy if you are actually looking to *do* something with it. As the ARM and little SoC board scene has exploded over the past several years, it really does get difficult to not only navigate, but the porting efforts get extremely tough. Some were meant for a Linux, and sometimes end up being horrible hacks to get *something* operational on the board and out the door. And if you look at how each of the BSDs and Linuxes deal with their porting, the variations in the approaches shows the difficulties in doing some type of 'armv6' or 'armv7' or just 'arm' port that just simply works and scales for board upgrades and new boards. I think if you have specific needs to satisfy, it becomes an easier task to pick a board. I know GNN was using a teeny board just for testing network throughput, and he wasn't fixated on this or that feature. In the end, if you're not just tinkering and don't have the development skills/resources/time, it is still likely the best bet to just go with a small i386 board where most of the tools from the BSDs will just work, such as drivers and ports, etc. I would take an i386 board with a BSD over any of the current BSD arm supported boards, and way before any ARM board with Linux support. g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Feb 19 12:11:54 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 12:11:54 -0500 Subject: [talk] Fwd: AsiaBSDCon 2016 May.10-13 Online Registration Open! In-Reply-To: <20160219.155434.1547080270215137810.jun@soum.co.jp> References: <20160219.155434.1547080270215137810.jun@soum.co.jp> Message-ID: <56C74CDA.1030104@ceetonetechnology.com> FYI, AsiaBSDCon registration is open. NY is waaay overrepresented! ;) g -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: AsiaBSDCon 2016 May.10-13 Online Registration Open! Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 15:54:34 +0900 (JST) Registration Page: https://2016.asiabsdcon.org/registration/?lang=en Place:Morito Memorial Hall at Kagurazaka Tokyo https://2016.asiabsdcon.org/access.html.en Day 1: Tutorials and Small Meetings I March 10, 2016 Thu FreeBSD Developer Summit (3/10-11, invited only, visit this URL) bhyvecon 2016 An Introduction to the FreeBSD Open-Source Operating System, Dr. Marshall Kirk McKusick (March 10 and 11) (D)Tracing FreeBSD for DevOps and Developers, George V. Neville-Neil (March 10 and 11) Connecting remote offices using SSH reverse tunneling, Oskar Fagerfjall (March 10) Day 2: Tutorials and Small Meetings II March 11, 2016 Fri NetBSD Developer Summit (3/11, invited only) http://wiki.netbsd.org/summits/asiabsdcon_2016_netbsd_summit/ === add wiki your login name. NetBSD BoF (3/11) http://wiki.netbsd.org/summits/AsiaBSDCon_2016_NetBSD_BOF/ *BSD Vendor Summit (3/11) An Introduction to the FreeBSD Open-Source Operating System, Dr. Marshall Kirk McKusick (D)Tracing FreeBSD for DevOps and Developers George V. Neville-Neil Secure BSD Web Application Development in C Kristaps Dzonsons Getting Started with the FreeBSD Documentation and Translation Projects Dru Lavigne and Benedict Reuschling Day 3: Paper Session I March 12, 2016 Sat CheriBSD: A research fork of FreeBSD, Brooks Davis bhyve ATA emulation, Mihai Carabas How to break long-term compatibility in NetBSD, Joerg Sonnenberger FreeBSD Test Cluster Automation, Kamil Czekirda Implementation of Xen PVHVM drivers in OpenBSD, Mike Belopuhov Xen HVMlite and FreeBSD, Roger Pau Monn FreeBSD based high density filers, Baptiste Daroussin Bitrig ports: BSD ports, packages, and Uncommon Operating Systems, John C. Vernaleo TLEM, very high speed link emulation, Luigi Rizzo diskctl(8): A permissively-licensed S.M.A.R.T. and raw disk command utility framework, Michael Dexter Peripheral-side USB support for NetBSD, Hiroyuki Bessho Banquet (in Arcadia Ichigaya) Day 4: Paper Session I March 13, 2016 Sat CloudABI: Pure capability-based security for UNIX, Ed Schouten Type-aware kernel virtual memory access, Daniel Lovasko Improving the FreeBSD Translation Tools, Warren Block Through the Wire: Measurement and Improvement of a software based IPSec implementation, George V. Neville-Neil Booting from Encrypted Disks on FreeBSD, Allan Jude Running an ISP on OpenBSD, Henning Brauer Keynote K02: Steve Bourne Improving High-Bandwidth TLS in the FreeBSD kernel , Scott Long SocialBSD: A Review of Diversity and Inclusivity Initiatives in the *BSD Community and Imagining Future Pathways, Brian Robert Callahan OpenBSD rc.d(8), Antoine Jacoutot A Brief History of the BSD Fast Filesystem ,Marshall Kirk McKusick FreeBSD on Cavium ThunderX System on a Chip , Zbigniew Bodek Work-in-Progress Session See http://www.soum.co.jp/~jun/asiabsdcon2015.pdf -- Jun Ebihara From george at ceetonetechnology.com Fri Feb 19 12:12:56 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 12:12:56 -0500 Subject: [talk] Fwd: AsiaBSDCon 2016 May.10-13 Online Registration Open! In-Reply-To: <56C74CDA.1030104@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <20160219.155434.1547080270215137810.jun@soum.co.jp> <56C74CDA.1030104@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <56C74D18.4050603@ceetonetechnology.com> On 02/19/16 12:11, George Rosamond wrote: > FYI, AsiaBSDCon registration is open. > > NY is waaay overrepresented! > > ;) Of course I should read talk@ before posting to it. Oops. g From bcallah at devio.us Fri Feb 19 14:14:43 2016 From: bcallah at devio.us (Brian Callahan) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 14:14:43 -0500 Subject: [talk] Fwd: AsiaBSDCon 2016 May.10-13 Online Registration Open! In-Reply-To: <56C74D18.4050603@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <20160219.155434.1547080270215137810.jun@soum.co.jp> <56C74CDA.1030104@ceetonetechnology.com> <56C74D18.4050603@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <56C769A3.1050901@devio.us> Also FYI, AsiaBSDcon is in March, not May. ~Brian On 2/19/2016 12:12 PM, George Rosamond wrote: > On 02/19/16 12:11, George Rosamond wrote: >> FYI, AsiaBSDCon registration is open. >> >> NY is waaay overrepresented! >> >> ;) > Of course I should read talk@ before posting to it. > > Oops. > > g > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From kmsujit at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 23:20:17 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:50:17 +0530 Subject: [talk] Up board In-Reply-To: <56C74C98.1070107@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <9C61A641-83F8-4590-A45B-55003000CC88@ymail.com> <25CA30CD-0A42-4974-95B5-E2C35F6D141F@blackskyresearch.net> <56C74C98.1070107@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: > Yes... I think small or mini-itx amd64 boards are a lot more appetizing > than a $9 cat toy if you are actually looking to *do* something with it. Looking furthur I found something that would be helpful and I am a great fan of "soekris" http://soekris.com/products/net6501-1.html But cost is 250+$. I think more commercial than for individuals. But still a little bit costly. Is there any equivalent board which comes to mind. Similar to soekris. From george at ceetonetechnology.com Sat Feb 20 10:44:27 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 10:44:27 -0500 Subject: [talk] Up board In-Reply-To: References: <9C61A641-83F8-4590-A45B-55003000CC88@ymail.com> <25CA30CD-0A42-4974-95B5-E2C35F6D141F@blackskyresearch.net> <56C74C98.1070107@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <56C889DB.3050400@ceetonetechnology.com> On 02/19/16 23:20, Sujit K M wrote: >> Yes... I think small or mini-itx amd64 boards are a lot more >> appetizing than a $9 cat toy if you are actually looking to *do* >> something with it. > > Looking furthur I found something that would be helpful and I am a > great fan of "soekris" http://soekris.com/products/net6501-1.html > > But cost is 250+$. I think more commercial than for individuals. But > still a little bit costly. Is there any equivalent board which comes > to mind. Similar to soekris. In the early 2000's, it was with the Soekris 4801s that a lot of us first started hacking on small hardware with small, stripped-down BSDs. Soekris remain one of the best small hardware platforms, with great support for the BSDs and related subprojects. The old and now cheap 4801s can still be useful: https://github.com/gman999/doc/blob/master/openbsd/soekris-4801-openbsd.md And yet another ARM board... pretty cool stuff, mentioned on freebsd-arm@ https://getocean.io/ g From george at ceetonetechnology.com Wed Feb 24 17:28:19 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:28:19 -0500 Subject: [talk] NYC*BUG Upcoming Message-ID: <56CE2E83.1090402@ceetonetechnology.com> The next NYC*BUG meeting is next week. * AsiaBSDCon registration is open. The event takes place March 10-13 in Tokyo, Japan. (https://2016.asiabsdcon.org/) * BSDCan is June 10-11 in Ottawa, Canada. (https://www.bsdcan.org/) * EuroBSDCon is September 22-25 in Belgrade, Serbia (https://2016.eurobsdcon.org/) We are also aiming for a BSD Certification Group subject-matter expert session in NYC after the summer. Stay tuned for details. (http://www.bsdcertification.org/ ******************* March 2, 2016, Wednesday BSD init(8) and rc(8): Room for Improvement? Raul Cuza 18:45, Stone Creek Bar & Lounge: 140 E 27th St Abstract The current init(1) and rc(1) startup services have served BSD well for many years. But are they long in the tooth? There are a host of problems that it does not solve. This begs the question of whether it is time to replace it with something better. More importantly what could be better? This talk will look at the existing initialization and coordination system that currently serves the major BSD projects, what problems they solve and what problems they do not solve. We will review alternatives and how their approaches will impact how we work. Some of the alternatives that will be discussed include relaunchd, nosh, and systemd. Speaker Bio Raul Cuza makes pretenses to being a modern hip SysAdmin, but can't forget late nights installing Sun-3s to pull it off successfully. He has spent most of his career in K-12 schools reminding Cupertino- designed hardware that there is BSD somewhere under all the glitz. Many years making OpenBSD firewalls to replace web ads with student artwork and keeping OS X machines useful tools for learning has taught him that the real impact of the computer age does not happen in the server room but couldn't happen without it either. He is currently challenged with getting meaningful work done on other people's hardware residing in other people's server rooms distributed around the globe. He has permission to use them. Other upcoming meetings include: 2016-04-06 - Debugging with LLVM, John Wolfe 2016-05-04 - Urchin, Thomas Levine 2016-06-15 - Adventures in HardenedBSD, Shawn Webb 2016-07-06 - Meet the Smallest BSDs: RetroBSD and LiteBSD, Brian Callahan 2016-08-03 - BSD Installfest 2016-09-07 - Teaching FreeBSD, George Neville-Neil From george at ceetonetechnology.com Thu Feb 25 15:48:06 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 15:48:06 -0500 Subject: [talk] ZFS licensing and Linux Message-ID: <56CF6886.7090908@ceetonetechnology.com> For anyone who's been asleep the last few hours... https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2016/feb/25/zfs-and-linux/ A pretty hot topic on #nycbug and #metabug ATM. g From njt at ayvali.org Thu Feb 25 16:43:11 2016 From: njt at ayvali.org (N.J. Thomas) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 13:43:11 -0800 Subject: [talk] ZFS licensing and Linux In-Reply-To: <56CF6886.7090908@ceetonetechnology.com> References: <56CF6886.7090908@ceetonetechnology.com> Message-ID: <20160225214311.GA8078@ayvali.org> * George Rosamond [2016-02-25 15:48:06-0500]: > https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2016/feb/25/zfs-and-linux/ Also, there's a great thread on HN this for article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11176107 From mark.saad at ymail.com Fri Feb 26 20:52:37 2016 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 20:52:37 -0500 Subject: [talk] Fwd: Meet to hack on new Intel Atom SoC board References: Message-ID: <6F1D351C-8DAD-4449-A3AD-E365ECB2073C@ymail.com> Some further up talk . --- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com Begin forwarded message: > From: "Lundberg, Johannes" > Date: February 26, 2016 at 6:51:47 PM EST > To: freebsd-hackers at freebsd.org, FreeBSD Current > Subject: Meet to hack on new Intel Atom SoC board > > Hi > > My three boards from UP has arrived. At last, an Intel based small sized > dev board! > http://up-shop.org/ > > This is an early developer version board with the new super low power 14nm > x5-Z8300 CPU (CherryTrail) with 16GB eMMC and 1GB RAM (a bit different from > the specs of the final version). > > Any kernel hackers in the Bay Area (south of San Francisco) who are > interested to get together next week and get FreeBSD running on it? (Pizza > on me :) > > I can also lend a couple of boards to anyone who wants to continue hacking > after the meeting. > > > What I've done so far > - Running from USB memstick. Need to disable uart.1 or boot halts. > - Started working on sdhci_acpi driver > https://github.com/yohanesu75/freebsd/blob/sdhci-acpi-mmccampatch/sys/dev/sdhci/sdhci_acpi.c > which requires this patch > https://reviews.freebsd.org/D4761 (mmc on cam) > and is a work in progress and I'm kind of stuck because I don't know how to > do the IO port stuff so that the card can be detected.. > > (There is a BIOS option to run the SDHCI controller on PCI bus but it fails > to detect the eMMC memory. I think Intel (SD?|GP?)IO ports are required for > this which will be added support for in the D4761 patch.) > > Working (out of the box - haven't tested everything) > - HDMI output > - Realtek GB Ethernet > - USB 2.0 > > Top priority would be to get eMMC storage working (on top of cam/mmc). > Other goals: > - Working GPIO > - Writing device drivers for SoC components like the ISP and on-board > chips. > - Hardware graphics rendering > - Power consumption optimizations > > Have a nice weekend! > Johannes > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > ???????????????????????????????????????????????????? > ?????????????????????????????????????????????? > ??????????????????????????????????????????????? > --- > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential > and intended solely for the addressee. > Disclosure, copying, distribution or any other action of use of this > email by person other than intended recipient, is prohibited. > If you are not the intended recipient and have received this email in > error, please destroy the original message. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers at freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe at freebsd.org" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmsujit at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 01:24:22 2016 From: kmsujit at gmail.com (Sujit K M) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 11:54:22 +0530 Subject: [talk] Fwd: Meet to hack on new Intel Atom SoC board In-Reply-To: <6F1D351C-8DAD-4449-A3AD-E365ECB2073C@ymail.com> References: <6F1D351C-8DAD-4449-A3AD-E365ECB2073C@ymail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 7:22 AM, Mark Saad wrote: > Some further up talk . I found it difficult to understand what is being tried/or an attempt at porting is being done. I mean just configure the kernel according to specs and trying would be better. Or I am missing something? > --- > Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: "Lundberg, Johannes" > Date: February 26, 2016 at 6:51:47 PM EST > To: freebsd-hackers at freebsd.org, FreeBSD Current > > Subject: Meet to hack on new Intel Atom SoC board > > Hi > > My three boards from UP has arrived. At last, an Intel based small sized > dev board! > http://up-shop.org/ > > This is an early developer version board with the new super low power 14nm > x5-Z8300 CPU (CherryTrail) with 16GB eMMC and 1GB RAM (a bit different from > the specs of the final version). > > Any kernel hackers in the Bay Area (south of San Francisco) who are > interested to get together next week and get FreeBSD running on it? (Pizza > on me :) > > I can also lend a couple of boards to anyone who wants to continue hacking > after the meeting. > > > What I've done so far > - Running from USB memstick. Need to disable uart.1 or boot halts. > - Started working on sdhci_acpi driver > https://github.com/yohanesu75/freebsd/blob/sdhci-acpi-mmccampatch/sys/dev/sdhci/sdhci_acpi.c > which requires this patch > https://reviews.freebsd.org/D4761 (mmc on cam) > and is a work in progress and I'm kind of stuck because I don't know how to > do the IO port stuff so that the card can be detected.. > > (There is a BIOS option to run the SDHCI controller on PCI bus but it fails > to detect the eMMC memory. I think Intel (SD?|GP?)IO ports are required for > this which will be added support for in the D4761 patch.) > > Working (out of the box - haven't tested everything) > - HDMI output > - Realtek GB Ethernet > - USB 2.0 > > Top priority would be to get eMMC storage working (on top of cam/mmc). > Other goals: > - Working GPIO > - Writing device drivers for SoC components like the ISP and on-board > chips. > - Hardware graphics rendering > - Power consumption optimizations > > Have a nice weekend! > Johannes > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > ???????????????????????????????????????????????????? > ?????????????????????????????????????????????? > ??????????????????????????????????????????????? > --- > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential > and intended solely for the addressee. > Disclosure, copying, distribution or any other action of use of this > email by person other than intended recipient, is prohibited. > If you are not the intended recipient and have received this email in > error, please destroy the original message. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers at freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe at freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From mark.saad at ymail.com Sat Feb 27 10:28:18 2016 From: mark.saad at ymail.com (Mark Saad) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 10:28:18 -0500 Subject: [talk] Fwd: Meet to hack on new Intel Atom SoC board In-Reply-To: References: <6F1D351C-8DAD-4449-A3AD-E365ECB2073C@ymail.com> Message-ID: > On Feb 27, 2016, at 1:24 AM, Sujit K M wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 7:22 AM, Mark Saad wrote: >> Some further up talk . > > I found it difficult to understand what is being tried/or an attempt > at porting is being > done. I mean just configure the kernel according to specs and trying > would be better. > Or I am missing something? Two points I got from this . The on chip storage has a new interface type , that isn't sata or ide . Like the emmc on some arm devices . Also there is some odd issue with the serial ports . --- Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com > >> --- >> Mark Saad | mark.saad at ymail.com >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: "Lundberg, Johannes" >> Date: February 26, 2016 at 6:51:47 PM EST >> To: freebsd-hackers at freebsd.org, FreeBSD Current >> >> Subject: Meet to hack on new Intel Atom SoC board >> >> Hi >> >> My three boards from UP has arrived. At last, an Intel based small sized >> dev board! >> http://up-shop.org/ >> >> This is an early developer version board with the new super low power 14nm >> x5-Z8300 CPU (CherryTrail) with 16GB eMMC and 1GB RAM (a bit different from >> the specs of the final version). >> >> Any kernel hackers in the Bay Area (south of San Francisco) who are >> interested to get together next week and get FreeBSD running on it? (Pizza >> on me :) >> >> I can also lend a couple of boards to anyone who wants to continue hacking >> after the meeting. >> >> >> What I've done so far >> - Running from USB memstick. Need to disable uart.1 or boot halts. >> - Started working on sdhci_acpi driver >> https://github.com/yohanesu75/freebsd/blob/sdhci-acpi-mmccampatch/sys/dev/sdhci/sdhci_acpi.c >> which requires this patch >> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D4761 (mmc on cam) >> and is a work in progress and I'm kind of stuck because I don't know how to >> do the IO port stuff so that the card can be detected.. >> >> (There is a BIOS option to run the SDHCI controller on PCI bus but it fails >> to detect the eMMC memory. I think Intel (SD?|GP?)IO ports are required for >> this which will be added support for in the D4761 patch.) >> >> Working (out of the box - haven't tested everything) >> - HDMI output >> - Realtek GB Ethernet >> - USB 2.0 >> >> Top priority would be to get eMMC storage working (on top of cam/mmc). >> Other goals: >> - Working GPIO >> - Writing device drivers for SoC components like the ISP and on-board >> chips. >> - Hardware graphics rendering >> - Power consumption optimizations >> >> Have a nice weekend! >> Johannes >> >> -- >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????? >> ?????????????????????????????????????????????? >> ??????????????????????????????????????????????? >> --- >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: The information in this email is confidential >> and intended solely for the addressee. >> Disclosure, copying, distribution or any other action of use of this >> email by person other than intended recipient, is prohibited. >> If you are not the intended recipient and have received this email in >> error, please destroy the original message. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-hackers at freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe at freebsd.org" >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk at lists.nycbug.org >> http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk at lists.nycbug.org > http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/talk From george at ceetonetechnology.com Mon Feb 29 09:05:58 2016 From: george at ceetonetechnology.com (George Rosamond) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 09:05:58 -0500 Subject: [talk] Fwd: NetBSD machines at Open Source Conference 2016 Tokyo/Spring In-Reply-To: <20160229.164246.491609224229505980.jun@soum.co.jp> References: <20160229.164246.491609224229505980.jun@soum.co.jp> Message-ID: <56D45046.9030909@ceetonetechnology.com> I know Jun Ebihara is on talk at . Below is a nice list of NetBSD supported hardware. I drool reading these emails.... g -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: NetBSD machines at Open Source Conference 2016 Tokyo/Spring Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 16:42:46 +0900 (JST) The Japan NetBSD Users' Group members held booth at the Open Source Conference 2016 Tokyo/Fall on Feb. 26-27 2016: http://www.ospn.jp/osc2016-spring/ https://www.facebook.com/events/448461512004539/ https://www.facebook.com/NetBSD.jp/ Presentation: One Floppy NetBSD System fdgw2 by Yuuki Enomoto. https://e-yuuki.org/events/OSC_tokyo_spring.pdf Booth: http://p.twipple.jp/gSom6 NetBSD Tourist Guide: https://www.soum.co.jp/~jun/OSC2016tokyospring.pdf The NetBSD booth exhibited the following machines: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uTsOdlRRcN-02eJ1WiMVWkvKdPik4TLAcKd9nYUvKSc/edit?pref=2&pli=1 machine company model CPU NetBSD/evbarm Radxa Radxa Rock Rockchip RK3188 NetBSD/evbarm VIA APC8750 WonderMedia WM8750 NetBSD/evbarm Atmark-Techno Armadillo-9 Cirrus Logic EP9315 NetBSD/evbarm Atmark-Techno Armadillo-210 Cirrus Logic EP9307 NetBSD/evbarm BeagleBoard.org BeagleBone Black Texas Instruments AM3358 NetBSD/evbarm N/A ES board Rockchip RK3068 NetBSD/mpc860 Plathome OpenBlockS 50 Motorola MPC860T NetBSD/evbppc Plathome OpenBlockSS IBM PowerPC 405GP NetBSD/evbppc Plathome OpenBlockS 266 AMCC PowerPC 405GPr NetBSD/landisk IO DATA USL-5P Hitachi SH7751R NetBSD/evbmips WIP RouterBoard RB951Ui-2HnD Atheros AR9344 NetBSD/zaurrus Sharp Zaurus SL-C760 Intel PXA255 NetBSD/evbmips Linino.org Linino ONE Atheros AR9331 NetBSD/evbarm LinkSprite pcDuino nano 3 Allwinner A20 NetBSD/evbarm Sharp NetWalker PC-Z1 Freescale i.MX515 NetBSD/zaurrus Sharp Zaurus SL-C1000 Intel PXA270 NetBSD/evbarm Raspberyy Pi Foundation Raspberry PI Broadcom BCM2835 NetBSD/evbarm Raspberyy Pi Foundation Raspberry PI 2 Broadcom BCM2836 NetBSD/evbarm Raspberyy Pi Foundation Raspberry PI Zero Broadcom BCM2835 NetBSD/hpcarm Sharp WZero3 Intel PXA270 NetBSD/hpcarm Sharp WZero3 Ad ES Intel PXA270 NetBSD/evbarm BananaPi Banana Pi AllWinner A20 NetBSD/evbarm CubieTech Cubieboard2 AllWinner A20 - MediaTek LinkIt Smart 7688 MediaTek MT7688AN - Orange PI OrangePI One AllWinner H3 Demo Images: RPI: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-arm/2016/02/24/msg003689.html More pictures are available on Togetter page: http://togetter.com/li/943037 NEXT: AsiaBSDCon 2016: Mar.10-13 2016 Tokyo,JAPAN https://2016.asiabsdcon.org/ see you in BSD BOF. Mar.11 2016 Tokyo. https://wiki.netbsd.org/summits/AsiaBSDCon_2016_NetBSD_BOF/ https://www.facebook.com/events/833115380143767/ TUNE IN NEXT NetBSD,Same NetBSD-time,Same NetBSD-channel. --- Jun Ebihara